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" Remember the good old days when you got home from School, picked up your air gun and headed into the woods or up the hills to play, no more good ol days for the kids of today." Were they really the good old days? ![]() ![]() | |||
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"I feel so oppressed right now because I can't purchase a weapon without declaring it. ![]() Spud gun with acid laced spuds | |||
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"I feel so oppressed right now because I can't purchase a weapon without declaring it. ![]() Sounds like my lunch before those giant ant aliens came and took my tentacles away. | |||
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"I feel so oppressed right now because I can't purchase a weapon without declaring it. ![]() I bloody loved my spud gun. It also worked with windfall apples if they hadn't got too mushy. | |||
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"Bloody health and safety tossers, we wont be able to fart without a licence soon." They won't put a license on that - but give them half a chance and they'll tax it...!!! ![]() | |||
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" Remember the good old days when you got home from School, picked up your air gun and headed into the woods or up the hills to play, no more good ol days for the kids of today. Were they really the good old days? ![]() ![]() I wouldn't have thought kids playing with air guns is a good idea any day ![]() | |||
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"Bloody health and safety tossers, we wont be able to fart without a licence soon." You can't at mine already ![]() | |||
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"Going to be a party pooper here, I think it's an excellent idea, I think they are uneccesarily dangerous, a lot of wildlife will be able to give a sigh of relief, and hopefully pain and suffering to humans will be reduced... And mindless criminal damage to Windows etc reduced. Great idea. " plus the amount of lead left about polluting the place. I am also fed up ne seeing dead birds, shot because of arseholes who think its macho. ![]() | |||
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"Going to be a party pooper here, I think it's an excellent idea, I think they are uneccesarily dangerous, a lot of wildlife will be able to give a sigh of relief, and hopefully pain and suffering to humans will be reduced... And mindless criminal damage to Windows etc reduced. Great idea. " agree ![]() | |||
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"some ******* shot my cat with an air gun about 5 years ago cost me nearly £2000 at the vets to save him, had to have part of his stomach, bowels and intestines removed, dont get me wrong he's worth every penny but to think i spent all that money for some morons idea of fun did piss me off " Yikes ![]() | |||
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"I feel so oppressed right now because I can't purchase a weapon without declaring it. ![]() It's ok, you still can. | |||
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"I sometimes buy cheap beer in cans. Then my son and i shoot them with some of my air weapons.(we enjoy the way they spray) Or even our archery equipment. Its all good ![]() In my area it's cats,foxes,pigeons and passers by who are the targets | |||
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"I sometimes buy cheap beer in cans. Then my son and i shoot them with some of my air weapons.(we enjoy the way they spray) Or even our archery equipment. Its all good ![]() Blame the parents, not the weapons. You still have to be over 18 to purchase, and store responsibly. | |||
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"I sometimes buy cheap beer in cans. Then my son and i shoot them with some of my air weapons.(we enjoy the way they spray) Or even our archery equipment. Its all good ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"I sometimes buy cheap beer in cans. Then my son and i shoot them with some of my air weapons.(we enjoy the way they spray) Or even our archery equipment. Its all good ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Cherry tomatoes at 10 metres is also satisfying. ![]() | |||
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"In some ways, yes,they were.Catapults,pea shooters,home made bows+arrows..all great fun,and very few serious injuries.But then we weren't so focused about H+S...we just had fun ![]() Agreed. Still got my old BSA meteor in the loft. Always came in good for shooting rats in and around the local canal. I also remember as an 8 year old throwing "spears" at each other (garden bamboo canes, sharpened at one end with cigarette packets as "flights" on the back end). Did get one in the eye which needed three stitches.....other than that no harm done! | |||
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"yeah think they should be licensed but there's more head cases with knifes and more people are killed or injured with knifes." Exactly. Time to license kitchen knives. Far more dangerous. | |||
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"I sometimes buy cheap beer in cans. Then my son and i shoot them with some of my air weapons.(we enjoy the way they spray) Or even our archery equipment. Its all good ![]() At last someone has found a use for cheap beer ![]() | |||
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"yeah think they should be licensed but there's more head cases with knifes and more people are killed or injured with knifes. Exactly. Time to license kitchen knives. Far more dangerous." Anyone can get a knife but not everyone can get access to an airgun | |||
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" ok but before they give us a licence cost how about stopping teenages bring live round hand guns to school i know of a school in whitechapel london has got serches when the little darlings come in the building now " think they did that law already | |||
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"Scotland only But you can guarantee this law will flow down south and be taken up in the rest of the UK It will be a criminal offence to have an air weapon without a licence or permit from 31 December 2016. Under the new legislation approved by Holyrood last June, anyone found guilty of the new offence will be fined or face up to two years in prison. Remember the good old days when you got home from School, picked up your air gun and headed into the woods or up the hills to play, no more good ol days for the kids of today." What practical function do they serve beyond recreational? They're routinely misused to inflict injury or antagonise... Long overdue law. | |||
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" What practical function do they serve beyond recreational?" Vermin control where the use of poison is not suitable. | |||
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"I really think they need to start with longer sentences for people caught carrying a knife ie 5 to 10 years maybe they would think twice about it,why else would anyone carry a knife apart from stabbing someone?" Certain knives are perfectly legal to carry in the UK, I carry one nearly all the time and use it for all manner of jobs. What people forget is a knife is just a tool its only the morons out there who make it a weapon. Also certain air rifles already require a full firearms licence, I have two (legally). | |||
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"I really think they need to start with longer sentences for people caught carrying a knife ie 5 to 10 years maybe they would think twice about it,why else would anyone carry a knife apart from stabbing someone? Certain knives are perfectly legal to carry in the UK, I carry one nearly all the time and use it for all manner of jobs. What people forget is a knife is just a tool its only the morons out there who make it a weapon. Also certain air rifles already require a full firearms licence, I have two (legally)." Do you manage to get "full power" pellets ok? | |||
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"Yeah I know but a teenager carrying a kitchen knife at 2 in the morning something not right about that" That wouldn't be legal in any scenario. The blades have to be 3" or less and have a non-fixed or non-locking blade. | |||
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"I really think they need to start with longer sentences for people caught carrying a knife ie 5 to 10 years maybe they would think twice about it,why else would anyone carry a knife apart from stabbing someone? Certain knives are perfectly legal to carry in the UK, I carry one nearly all the time and use it for all manner of jobs. What people forget is a knife is just a tool its only the morons out there who make it a weapon. Also certain air rifles already require a full firearms licence, I have two (legally). Do you manage to get "full power" pellets ok?" Ely Wasps work just fine... ![]() | |||
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"I really think they need to start with longer sentences for people caught carrying a knife ie 5 to 10 years maybe they would think twice about it,why else would anyone carry a knife apart from stabbing someone? Certain knives are perfectly legal to carry in the UK, I carry one nearly all the time and use it for all manner of jobs. What people forget is a knife is just a tool its only the morons out there who make it a weapon. Also certain air rifles already require a full firearms licence, I have two (legally). Do you manage to get "full power" pellets ok? Ely Wasps work just fine... ![]() I use them in my old Webley "senior", and Original Diana. | |||
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"I hope this is a joke. As gun laws to own a section 1 high power air gun is really ott. I have normal powered one and a lovely collection. But if this come they will all go. Silly thing is. That is is easier to obtain a shotgun licence. Which I think we all know which is more dangerous. " A high powered air rifle has the potential to kill (even a low powered one does, that's why they're used for pest control). Anything with a spring energy above 12lbsft currently requires a section 1 one of mine is around 28lbsft and the other around 22lbsft and they both have massive muzzle energy. That being said, a legal one at around 11.5lbsft could penetrate the skull if it hit in the right (or wrong) spot. As a gun owner I personally think proper regulation and control is a good thing as it reduces the risk of them being sold to idiots who like to shoot people stood at bus stops or kill/maim beloved family pets. | |||
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"I really think they need to start with longer sentences for people caught carrying a knife ie 5 to 10 years maybe they would think twice about it,why else would anyone carry a knife apart from stabbing someone? Certain knives are perfectly legal to carry in the UK, I carry one nearly all the time and use it for all manner of jobs. What people forget is a knife is just a tool its only the morons out there who make it a weapon. Also certain air rifles already require a full firearms licence, I have two (legally). Do you manage to get "full power" pellets ok? Ely Wasps work just fine... ![]() I have a Webley Junior that belonged to my dad and a Diana model 27 that also belonged to him. They both still work (in a fashion) and have huge sentimental value to me as they're what he taught me to shoot with. | |||
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"....and still no licencing for dogs...." . And for once it's not the fault of the governing body... Everybody sensible with a dog wants to bring back the dog licence! But again that will only work if it's enforced properly, just like the gun licence | |||
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"Scotland only But you can guarantee this law will flow down south and be taken up in the rest of the UK " Good, about time. Perhaps they can ban crossbows while they're at it too. | |||
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"Licensing airguns? As an American I laugh at you all ![]() ![]() Ooops another mass shooting in the USA just another day i guess ![]() ![]() | |||
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"I really think they need to start with longer sentences for people caught carrying a knife ie 5 to 10 years maybe they would think twice about it,why else would anyone carry a knife apart from stabbing someone? Certain knives are perfectly legal to carry in the UK, I carry one nearly all the time and use it for all manner of jobs. What people forget is a knife is just a tool its only the morons out there who make it a weapon. Also certain air rifles already require a full firearms licence, I have two (legally). Do you manage to get "full power" pellets ok? Ely Wasps work just fine... ![]() When i was doing vermin control at my local dairy, I'd used the shot in my rifle. Noticed a "customer" next to my foot and used my holstered 'senior', shot him in the back from 24 inches...he looked at me after the pellet had bounced off, flicked me the V's and ran off.... ![]() | |||
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"It had to happen eventually I suppose ..I own air rifles,it will be interesting to see how this pans out. It's funny how there's no mention of bows or crossbows..which are more deadly than shotguns and air rifles with a longer range. The English longbow I have is so basic,but awesome." Lets not mention... The awesomeness of the hallowed bow... | |||
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" But again that will only work if it's enforced properly, just like the gun licence" too many airguns out in the market already theres no way to police it last time I took mine out was down in the quarry safe shooting at the targets at the quarry wall as long as you do it safe it shouldnt matter about a license cross bows are just as bad and so is the hand held one the catapult is just as bad dont see any license for those do you ? | |||
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"Are airguns a problem?" I'd say no...the vast majority of airgun owners are responsible people...but like with anything else..the minority spoil it for everyone. The laws we have already are strict,with some serious jail time if broken.It's the judges that choose not impose them.If you look up the law regarding airguns you will be surprised at how strict they are. | |||
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"I hope this is a joke. As gun laws to own a section 1 high power air gun is really ott. I have normal powered one and a lovely collection. But if this come they will all go. Silly thing is. That is is easier to obtain a shotgun licence. Which I think we all know which is more dangerous. " Its no joke, if you live in Scotland and own a air gun you will have 6 months to apply for a license or alternatively hand in the gun to police for us with firearms certificates nothing changes until we have to renew then we add on the air gun to our certificates | |||
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"I think having safe places to shit would go a long way to help with air gun ownership, I searched and searched for a club in Birmingham, but choices were limited, I used to shoot as a teenager, mostly field Target shooting, and it was good for ne, it taught me to respect guns, and to be responsible, while all my mates were taking shits at rats on the old railway (no longer in use at that time) my rifles would stay safely locked up at home, Target shooting is a great sport, but responsibility is sadly lacking in a lot if air rife owners, a lot if these guns aren't even safe to use because they are poorly maintained, and before they changed the law, just left laying around in cupboards or under beds for anyone in the house to get their hands on. If you love air rifle shooting, then why would you have a problem getting a licence? It's just another bit if paperwork, its not like it takes up a whole lot if your time. And as for our American friend, who laughed at our gun laws, I bet the people of columbine are laughing right along with ya, but please forgive the people of dunblane if they don't share the joke" You could always use a bathroom like everybody else. | |||
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"Seeing as with a few basic mod's you can increase the power of an air gun to something which can easily kill someone, I think it's a good idea." How would licencing stop that? | |||
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"Seeing as with a few basic mod's you can increase the power of an air gun to something which can easily kill someone, I think it's a good idea. How would licencing stop that?" It won't stop it, nothing will. It just makes it harder for people to do it illegally. I remember being able to walk into a fishing tackle shop and buying an Ox square section spring for my HW88 (about 20yrs ago). Fitting that £12 spring upper the power of that rifle to 15lbsft, that's 3 above the limit and technically meant I required a section 1 licence. | |||
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"Scotland only But you can guarantee this law will flow down south and be taken up in the rest of the UK It will be a criminal offence to have an air weapon without a licence or permit from 31 December 2016. Under the new legislation approved by Holyrood last June, anyone found guilty of the new offence will be fined or face up to two years in prison. Remember the good old days when you got home from School, picked up your air gun and headed into the woods or up the hills to play, no more good ol days for the kids of today." All this does is cause extra cost to legitimate owners and is just another stealth tax. I have owned and shot competitively air rifles all my life and have never injured anyone. Gun crime is committed by criminals not enthusiasts so there will still be unlicensed weapons thus achieving nothing but extra money for the government. If that is what it takes to prove your hobby is legitimate then so be it but don't try and make it sound legit as it's bullshit. | |||
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"Seeing as with a few basic mod's you can increase the power of an air gun to something which can easily kill someone, I think it's a good idea. How would licencing stop that? It won't stop it, nothing will. It just makes it harder for people to do it illegally. I remember being able to walk into a fishing tackle shop and buying an Ox square section spring for my HW88 (about 20yrs ago). Fitting that £12 spring upper the power of that rifle to 15lbsft, that's 3 above the limit and technically meant I required a section 1 licence." If you know what you are doing a lot of air rifles can be over powered with household tools and a few odds and sods laying around your house or shed... | |||
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"My air rifle is locked in an old gun cabinet that no longer meets licencing laws. I also have a trigger lock... If I have to licence my air rifle, I will go the whole hog get a new cabinet and get a couple of rifles and a shot gun and add larger quarry to my list..." You wont have to License it at this moment as its only Scotland where owners must apply for a license within 6 months how crazy is it that you must now license these air guns!! consider this I can have primers, cases, bullet heads & powder all sitting around or can purchase at ease It is only when you have assembled and made your ammo (re-loads) that you need to account for them and lock away How many here who re-load actually list a couple of hundred rounds they have just made up | |||
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"That is why we need out of Europe. They are all moves to erode our sovereignty and in the end their goal is new world order, one world government and to control the masses." . You know I used to be dead against that whole one world government shit but just lately | |||
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"Bloody health and safety tossers, we wont be able to fart without a licence soon." ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Bloody health and safety tossers, we wont be able to fart without a licence soon. ![]() ![]() ![]() Not really safety, when you see some air guns they look like real guns. I would definitely register mine if I had one. Ok then the police know who has one, but at least it is an added bit of protection for the owner. | |||
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"Seeing as with a few basic mod's you can increase the power of an air gun to something which can easily kill someone, I think it's a good idea. How would licencing stop that? It won't stop it, nothing will. It just makes it harder for people to do it illegally. I remember being able to walk into a fishing tackle shop and buying an Ox square section spring for my HW88 (about 20yrs ago). Fitting that £12 spring upper the power of that rifle to 15lbsft, that's 3 above the limit and technically meant I required a section 1 licence. If you know what you are doing a lot of air rifles can be over powered with household tools and a few odds and sods laying around your house or shed..." This is still an irrelevant argument. Licencing won't stop that. It's like saying people won't speed because they have a driver's license. Or "pssst did you know if you put better spark plugs in your car it might have more power?" so what? | |||
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"Seeing as with a few basic mod's you can increase the power of an air gun to something which can easily kill someone, I think it's a good idea. How would licencing stop that? It won't stop it, nothing will. It just makes it harder for people to do it illegally. I remember being able to walk into a fishing tackle shop and buying an Ox square section spring for my HW88 (about 20yrs ago). Fitting that £12 spring upper the power of that rifle to 15lbsft, that's 3 above the limit and technically meant I required a section 1 licence. If you know what you are doing a lot of air rifles can be over powered with household tools and a few odds and sods laying around your house or shed... This is still an irrelevant argument. Licencing won't stop that. It's like saying people won't speed because they have a driver's license. Or "pssst did you know if you put better spark plugs in your car it might have more power?" so what?" . As a rule of thumb.... All legislation is there for the bottom 5% not the other remaining 95%.... Such is life ![]() | |||
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"I sometimes buy cheap beer in cans. Then my son and i shoot them with some of my air weapons.(we enjoy the way they spray) Or even our archery equipment. Its all good ![]() I grew up in Africa. It spent most boyhood afternoons with an air rifle and later a .22 in the bush. I never remember anyone taking one into school to cause trouble. Yes once or twice one of us got a pellet in the arse accidentally but they were no worse than the big thorns you stood on barefoot in the bush. Most of my mates were similarly armed. None of us would have even have considered shooting pets, Windows or teachers. The reason for that was because if we did anything like that you knew you would get one hell of a hiding if your parents found out. ![]() | |||
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"I was shot with an air pistol by a mate who was messing around, now I am partially sighted in one eye. It stopped me joining the forces, as I had just passed the entrance exam to go in the Navy as an articifer. So registering an air pistol to me is a good thing. Also as a paintballer and airsoft player, I think it is a brilliant idea to register them." Unfortunately you can't legislate for idiots... | |||
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"Seeing as with a few basic mod's you can increase the power of an air gun to something which can easily kill someone, I think it's a good idea. How would licencing stop that? It won't stop it, nothing will. It just makes it harder for people to do it illegally. I remember being able to walk into a fishing tackle shop and buying an Ox square section spring for my HW88 (about 20yrs ago). Fitting that £12 spring upper the power of that rifle to 15lbsft, that's 3 above the limit and technically meant I required a section 1 licence. If you know what you are doing a lot of air rifles can be over powered with household tools and a few odds and sods laying around your house or shed... This is still an irrelevant argument. Licencing won't stop that. It's like saying people won't speed because they have a driver's license. Or "pssst did you know if you put better spark plugs in your car it might have more power?" so what?" That's what we were saying... | |||
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"Seeing as with a few basic mod's you can increase the power of an air gun to something which can easily kill someone, I think it's a good idea. How would licencing stop that? It won't stop it, nothing will. It just makes it harder for people to do it illegally. I remember being able to walk into a fishing tackle shop and buying an Ox square section spring for my HW88 (about 20yrs ago). Fitting that £12 spring upper the power of that rifle to 15lbsft, that's 3 above the limit and technically meant I required a section 1 licence. If you know what you are doing a lot of air rifles can be over powered with household tools and a few odds and sods laying around your house or shed... This is still an irrelevant argument. Licencing won't stop that. It's like saying people won't speed because they have a driver's license. Or "pssst did you know if you put better spark plugs in your car it might have more power?" so what?" I never said it would stop it. I said it would make it more difficult for people to do illegally. P.s. putting better spark plugs in your car just means you've put better spark plugs in your car, there's no more power. | |||
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"Seeing as with a few basic mod's you can increase the power of an air gun to something which can easily kill someone, I think it's a good idea. How would licencing stop that? It won't stop it, nothing will. It just makes it harder for people to do it illegally. I remember being able to walk into a fishing tackle shop and buying an Ox square section spring for my HW88 (about 20yrs ago). Fitting that £12 spring upper the power of that rifle to 15lbsft, that's 3 above the limit and technically meant I required a section 1 licence. If you know what you are doing a lot of air rifles can be over powered with household tools and a few odds and sods laying around your house or shed... This is still an irrelevant argument. Licencing won't stop that. It's like saying people won't speed because they have a driver's license. Or "pssst did you know if you put better spark plugs in your car it might have more power?" so what? I never said it would stop it. I said it would make it more difficult for people to do illegally. P.s. putting better spark plugs in your car just means you've put better spark plugs in your car, there's no more power." It wouldn't really make it more difficult to modify them, unless the police test fired every air rifle... | |||
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"Seeing as with a few basic mod's you can increase the power of an air gun to something which can easily kill someone, I think it's a good idea. How would licencing stop that? It won't stop it, nothing will. It just makes it harder for people to do it illegally. I remember being able to walk into a fishing tackle shop and buying an Ox square section spring for my HW88 (about 20yrs ago). Fitting that £12 spring upper the power of that rifle to 15lbsft, that's 3 above the limit and technically meant I required a section 1 licence. If you know what you are doing a lot of air rifles can be over powered with household tools and a few odds and sods laying around your house or shed... This is still an irrelevant argument. Licencing won't stop that. It's like saying people won't speed because they have a driver's license. Or "pssst did you know if you put better spark plugs in your car it might have more power?" so what? I never said it would stop it. I said it would make it more difficult for people to do illegally. P.s. putting better spark plugs in your car just means you've put better spark plugs in your car, there's no more power. It wouldn't really make it more difficult to modify them, unless the police test fired every air rifle..." I'm sure the person carrying out your inspection could fire one shot through a chronograph without too much hassle. | |||
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"Seeing as with a few basic mod's you can increase the power of an air gun to something which can easily kill someone, I think it's a good idea. How would licencing stop that? It won't stop it, nothing will. It just makes it harder for people to do it illegally. I remember being able to walk into a fishing tackle shop and buying an Ox square section spring for my HW88 (about 20yrs ago). Fitting that £12 spring upper the power of that rifle to 15lbsft, that's 3 above the limit and technically meant I required a section 1 licence. If you know what you are doing a lot of air rifles can be over powered with household tools and a few odds and sods laying around your house or shed... This is still an irrelevant argument. Licencing won't stop that. It's like saying people won't speed because they have a driver's license. Or "pssst did you know if you put better spark plugs in your car it might have more power?" so what? I never said it would stop it. I said it would make it more difficult for people to do illegally. P.s. putting better spark plugs in your car just means you've put better spark plugs in your car, there's no more power. It wouldn't really make it more difficult to modify them, unless the police test fired every air rifle... I'm sure the person carrying out your inspection could fire one shot through a chronograph without too much hassle." How often is the inspection...mind you, the last Springer i bought fires between 11.7 and 12.4 . | |||
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"Seeing as with a few basic mod's you can increase the power of an air gun to something which can easily kill someone, I think it's a good idea. How would licencing stop that? It won't stop it, nothing will. It just makes it harder for people to do it illegally. I remember being able to walk into a fishing tackle shop and buying an Ox square section spring for my HW88 (about 20yrs ago). Fitting that £12 spring upper the power of that rifle to 15lbsft, that's 3 above the limit and technically meant I required a section 1 licence. If you know what you are doing a lot of air rifles can be over powered with household tools and a few odds and sods laying around your house or shed... This is still an irrelevant argument. Licencing won't stop that. It's like saying people won't speed because they have a driver's license. Or "pssst did you know if you put better spark plugs in your car it might have more power?" so what? I never said it would stop it. I said it would make it more difficult for people to do illegally. P.s. putting better spark plugs in your car just means you've put better spark plugs in your car, there's no more power. It wouldn't really make it more difficult to modify them, unless the police test fired every air rifle... I'm sure the person carrying out your inspection could fire one shot through a chronograph without too much hassle. How often is the inspection...mind you, the last Springer i bought fires between 11.7 and 12.4 ." Different brands of pellets get different chrono readings.plus what ever grain your using. | |||
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"Seeing as with a few basic mod's you can increase the power of an air gun to something which can easily kill someone, I think it's a good idea. How would licencing stop that? It won't stop it, nothing will. It just makes it harder for people to do it illegally. I remember being able to walk into a fishing tackle shop and buying an Ox square section spring for my HW88 (about 20yrs ago). Fitting that £12 spring upper the power of that rifle to 15lbsft, that's 3 above the limit and technically meant I required a section 1 licence. If you know what you are doing a lot of air rifles can be over powered with household tools and a few odds and sods laying around your house or shed... This is still an irrelevant argument. Licencing won't stop that. It's like saying people won't speed because they have a driver's license. Or "pssst did you know if you put better spark plugs in your car it might have more power?" so what? I never said it would stop it. I said it would make it more difficult for people to do illegally. P.s. putting better spark plugs in your car just means you've put better spark plugs in your car, there's no more power. It wouldn't really make it more difficult to modify them, unless the police test fired every air rifle... I'm sure the person carrying out your inspection could fire one shot through a chronograph without too much hassle. How often is the inspection...mind you, the last Springer i bought fires between 11.7 and 12.4 ." For a section 1 its at least yearly. Last year in had two surprise inspections, probably due to the calibre of one of my rifles (.338). If your springer fires at 12.4 you'll need a section 1 firearms certificate and cabinet. | |||
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"Seeing as with a few basic mod's you can increase the power of an air gun to something which can easily kill someone, I think it's a good idea. How would licencing stop that? It won't stop it, nothing will. It just makes it harder for people to do it illegally. I remember being able to walk into a fishing tackle shop and buying an Ox square section spring for my HW88 (about 20yrs ago). Fitting that £12 spring upper the power of that rifle to 15lbsft, that's 3 above the limit and technically meant I required a section 1 licence. If you know what you are doing a lot of air rifles can be over powered with household tools and a few odds and sods laying around your house or shed... This is still an irrelevant argument. Licencing won't stop that. It's like saying people won't speed because they have a driver's license. Or "pssst did you know if you put better spark plugs in your car it might have more power?" so what? I never said it would stop it. I said it would make it more difficult for people to do illegally. P.s. putting better spark plugs in your car just means you've put better spark plugs in your car, there's no more power. It wouldn't really make it more difficult to modify them, unless the police test fired every air rifle... I'm sure the person carrying out your inspection could fire one shot through a chronograph without too much hassle. How often is the inspection...mind you, the last Springer i bought fires between 11.7 and 12.4 . For a section 1 its at least yearly. Last year in had two surprise inspections, probably due to the calibre of one of my rifles (.338). If your springer fires at 12.4 you'll need a section 1 firearms certificate and cabinet." Have to get it tested on a hot day. | |||
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"Seeing as with a few basic mod's you can increase the power of an air gun to something which can easily kill someone, I think it's a good idea. How would licencing stop that? It won't stop it, nothing will. It just makes it harder for people to do it illegally. I remember being able to walk into a fishing tackle shop and buying an Ox square section spring for my HW88 (about 20yrs ago). Fitting that £12 spring upper the power of that rifle to 15lbsft, that's 3 above the limit and technically meant I required a section 1 licence. If you know what you are doing a lot of air rifles can be over powered with household tools and a few odds and sods laying around your house or shed... This is still an irrelevant argument. Licencing won't stop that. It's like saying people won't speed because they have a driver's license. Or "pssst did you know if you put better spark plugs in your car it might have more power?" so what? I never said it would stop it. I said it would make it more difficult for people to do illegally. P.s. putting better spark plugs in your car just means you've put better spark plugs in your car, there's no more power. It wouldn't really make it more difficult to modify them, unless the police test fired every air rifle... I'm sure the person carrying out your inspection could fire one shot through a chronograph without too much hassle. How often is the inspection...mind you, the last Springer i bought fires between 11.7 and 12.4 . For a section 1 its at least yearly. Last year in had two surprise inspections, probably due to the calibre of one of my rifles (.338). If your springer fires at 12.4 you'll need a section 1 firearms certificate and cabinet. Have to get it tested on a hot day." Just don't grease the main spring for a bit and keep it stored in the airing cupboard... ![]() | |||
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"Seeing as with a few basic mod's you can increase the power of an air gun to something which can easily kill someone, I think it's a good idea. How would licencing stop that? It won't stop it, nothing will. It just makes it harder for people to do it illegally. I remember being able to walk into a fishing tackle shop and buying an Ox square section spring for my HW88 (about 20yrs ago). Fitting that £12 spring upper the power of that rifle to 15lbsft, that's 3 above the limit and technically meant I required a section 1 licence. If you know what you are doing a lot of air rifles can be over powered with household tools and a few odds and sods laying around your house or shed... This is still an irrelevant argument. Licencing won't stop that. It's like saying people won't speed because they have a driver's license. Or "pssst did you know if you put better spark plugs in your car it might have more power?" so what? I never said it would stop it. I said it would make it more difficult for people to do illegally. P.s. putting better spark plugs in your car just means you've put better spark plugs in your car, there's no more power. It wouldn't really make it more difficult to modify them, unless the police test fired every air rifle... I'm sure the person carrying out your inspection could fire one shot through a chronograph without too much hassle. How often is the inspection...mind you, the last Springer i bought fires between 11.7 and 12.4 . For a section 1 its at least yearly. Last year in had two surprise inspections, probably due to the calibre of one of my rifles (.338). If your springer fires at 12.4 you'll need a section 1 firearms certificate and cabinet. Have to get it tested on a hot day. Just don't grease the main spring for a bit and keep it stored in the airing cupboard... ![]() I've never done anything to it. Ever. | |||
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"Seeing as with a few basic mod's you can increase the power of an air gun to something which can easily kill someone, I think it's a good idea. How would licencing stop that? It won't stop it, nothing will. It just makes it harder for people to do it illegally. I remember being able to walk into a fishing tackle shop and buying an Ox square section spring for my HW88 (about 20yrs ago). Fitting that £12 spring upper the power of that rifle to 15lbsft, that's 3 above the limit and technically meant I required a section 1 licence. If you know what you are doing a lot of air rifles can be over powered with household tools and a few odds and sods laying around your house or shed... This is still an irrelevant argument. Licencing won't stop that. It's like saying people won't speed because they have a driver's license. Or "pssst did you know if you put better spark plugs in your car it might have more power?" so what? I never said it would stop it. I said it would make it more difficult for people to do illegally. P.s. putting better spark plugs in your car just means you've put better spark plugs in your car, there's no more power. It wouldn't really make it more difficult to modify them, unless the police test fired every air rifle... I'm sure the person carrying out your inspection could fire one shot through a chronograph without too much hassle. How often is the inspection...mind you, the last Springer i bought fires between 11.7 and 12.4 . For a section 1 its at least yearly. Last year in had two surprise inspections, probably due to the calibre of one of my rifles (.338). If your springer fires at 12.4 you'll need a section 1 firearms certificate and cabinet. Have to get it tested on a hot day. Just don't grease the main spring for a bit and keep it stored in the airing cupboard... ![]() Its borderline on the upper limit but you might be fine. | |||
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"Seeing as with a few basic mod's you can increase the power of an air gun to something which can easily kill someone, I think it's a good idea. How would licencing stop that? It won't stop it, nothing will. It just makes it harder for people to do it illegally. I remember being able to walk into a fishing tackle shop and buying an Ox square section spring for my HW88 (about 20yrs ago). Fitting that £12 spring upper the power of that rifle to 15lbsft, that's 3 above the limit and technically meant I required a section 1 licence. If you know what you are doing a lot of air rifles can be over powered with household tools and a few odds and sods laying around your house or shed... This is still an irrelevant argument. Licencing won't stop that. It's like saying people won't speed because they have a driver's license. Or "pssst did you know if you put better spark plugs in your car it might have more power?" so what? I never said it would stop it. I said it would make it more difficult for people to do illegally. P.s. putting better spark plugs in your car just means you've put better spark plugs in your car, there's no more power. It wouldn't really make it more difficult to modify them, unless the police test fired every air rifle... I'm sure the person carrying out your inspection could fire one shot through a chronograph without too much hassle. How often is the inspection...mind you, the last Springer i bought fires between 11.7 and 12.4 . For a section 1 its at least yearly. Last year in had two surprise inspections, probably due to the calibre of one of my rifles (.338). If your springer fires at 12.4 you'll need a section 1 firearms certificate and cabinet." Whats your .338 for? I keep fancying getting my full firearms cert, I have one farm where I seriously need to reduce bunny numbers, its getting out of hand, and I'm sure I can get plenty of deer stalking if I did the certificate. Although a small voice does keep saying that I ought to forget the deer and it'd be much cheaper and more effective to get some ferrets to do the rabbits - there's hundreds and they need sorting. | |||
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"Seeing as with a few basic mod's you can increase the power of an air gun to something which can easily kill someone, I think it's a good idea. How would licencing stop that? It won't stop it, nothing will. It just makes it harder for people to do it illegally. I remember being able to walk into a fishing tackle shop and buying an Ox square section spring for my HW88 (about 20yrs ago). Fitting that £12 spring upper the power of that rifle to 15lbsft, that's 3 above the limit and technically meant I required a section 1 licence. If you know what you are doing a lot of air rifles can be over powered with household tools and a few odds and sods laying around your house or shed... This is still an irrelevant argument. Licencing won't stop that. It's like saying people won't speed because they have a driver's license. Or "pssst did you know if you put better spark plugs in your car it might have more power?" so what? I never said it would stop it. I said it would make it more difficult for people to do illegally. P.s. putting better spark plugs in your car just means you've put better spark plugs in your car, there's no more power. It wouldn't really make it more difficult to modify them, unless the police test fired every air rifle... I'm sure the person carrying out your inspection could fire one shot through a chronograph without too much hassle. How often is the inspection...mind you, the last Springer i bought fires between 11.7 and 12.4 . For a section 1 its at least yearly. Last year in had two surprise inspections, probably due to the calibre of one of my rifles (.338). If your springer fires at 12.4 you'll need a section 1 firearms certificate and cabinet. Whats your .338 for? I keep fancying getting my full firearms cert, I have one farm where I seriously need to reduce bunny numbers, its getting out of hand, and I'm sure I can get plenty of deer stalking if I did the certificate. Although a small voice does keep saying that I ought to forget the deer and it'd be much cheaper and more effective to get some ferrets to do the rabbits - there's hundreds and they need sorting." The .338 is for deer and in the off season long distance target shooting (over 1000m up to a mile). Its a beast of a rifle and incredibly accurate. | |||
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"Seeing as with a few basic mod's you can increase the power of an air gun to something which can easily kill someone, I think it's a good idea. How would licencing stop that? It won't stop it, nothing will. It just makes it harder for people to do it illegally. I remember being able to walk into a fishing tackle shop and buying an Ox square section spring for my HW88 (about 20yrs ago). Fitting that £12 spring upper the power of that rifle to 15lbsft, that's 3 above the limit and technically meant I required a section 1 licence. If you know what you are doing a lot of air rifles can be over powered with household tools and a few odds and sods laying around your house or shed... This is still an irrelevant argument. Licencing won't stop that. It's like saying people won't speed because they have a driver's license. Or "pssst did you know if you put better spark plugs in your car it might have more power?" so what? I never said it would stop it. I said it would make it more difficult for people to do illegally. P.s. putting better spark plugs in your car just means you've put better spark plugs in your car, there's no more power. It wouldn't really make it more difficult to modify them, unless the police test fired every air rifle... I'm sure the person carrying out your inspection could fire one shot through a chronograph without too much hassle. How often is the inspection...mind you, the last Springer i bought fires between 11.7 and 12.4 . For a section 1 its at least yearly. Last year in had two surprise inspections, probably due to the calibre of one of my rifles (.338). If your springer fires at 12.4 you'll need a section 1 firearms certificate and cabinet. Have to get it tested on a hot day. Just don't grease the main spring for a bit and keep it stored in the airing cupboard... ![]() I blame the slap dash attitude of those brummie gun Smith's! | |||
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"Seeing as with a few basic mod's you can increase the power of an air gun to something which can easily kill someone, I think it's a good idea. How would licencing stop that? It won't stop it, nothing will. It just makes it harder for people to do it illegally. I remember being able to walk into a fishing tackle shop and buying an Ox square section spring for my HW88 (about 20yrs ago). Fitting that £12 spring upper the power of that rifle to 15lbsft, that's 3 above the limit and technically meant I required a section 1 licence. If you know what you are doing a lot of air rifles can be over powered with household tools and a few odds and sods laying around your house or shed... This is still an irrelevant argument. Licencing won't stop that. It's like saying people won't speed because they have a driver's license. Or "pssst did you know if you put better spark plugs in your car it might have more power?" so what? I never said it would stop it. I said it would make it more difficult for people to do illegally. P.s. putting better spark plugs in your car just means you've put better spark plugs in your car, there's no more power. It wouldn't really make it more difficult to modify them, unless the police test fired every air rifle... I'm sure the person carrying out your inspection could fire one shot through a chronograph without too much hassle. How often is the inspection...mind you, the last Springer i bought fires between 11.7 and 12.4 . For a section 1 its at least yearly. Last year in had two surprise inspections, probably due to the calibre of one of my rifles (.338). If your springer fires at 12.4 you'll need a section 1 firearms certificate and cabinet. Whats your .338 for? I keep fancying getting my full firearms cert, I have one farm where I seriously need to reduce bunny numbers, its getting out of hand, and I'm sure I can get plenty of deer stalking if I did the certificate. Although a small voice does keep saying that I ought to forget the deer and it'd be much cheaper and more effective to get some ferrets to do the rabbits - there's hundreds and they need sorting. The .338 is for deer and in the off season long distance target shooting (over 1000m up to a mile). Its a beast of a rifle and incredibly accurate." I've used a .308 for deer, but they tend to be not stupidly far away round here.. | |||
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"Seeing as with a few basic mod's you can increase the power of an air gun to something which can easily kill someone, I think it's a good idea. How would licencing stop that? It won't stop it, nothing will. It just makes it harder for people to do it illegally. I remember being able to walk into a fishing tackle shop and buying an Ox square section spring for my HW88 (about 20yrs ago). Fitting that £12 spring upper the power of that rifle to 15lbsft, that's 3 above the limit and technically meant I required a section 1 licence. If you know what you are doing a lot of air rifles can be over powered with household tools and a few odds and sods laying around your house or shed... This is still an irrelevant argument. Licencing won't stop that. It's like saying people won't speed because they have a driver's license. Or "pssst did you know if you put better spark plugs in your car it might have more power?" so what? I never said it would stop it. I said it would make it more difficult for people to do illegally. P.s. putting better spark plugs in your car just means you've put better spark plugs in your car, there's no more power. It wouldn't really make it more difficult to modify them, unless the police test fired every air rifle... I'm sure the person carrying out your inspection could fire one shot through a chronograph without too much hassle. How often is the inspection...mind you, the last Springer i bought fires between 11.7 and 12.4 . For a section 1 its at least yearly. Last year in had two surprise inspections, probably due to the calibre of one of my rifles (.338). If your springer fires at 12.4 you'll need a section 1 firearms certificate and cabinet. Whats your .338 for? I keep fancying getting my full firearms cert, I have one farm where I seriously need to reduce bunny numbers, its getting out of hand, and I'm sure I can get plenty of deer stalking if I did the certificate. Although a small voice does keep saying that I ought to forget the deer and it'd be much cheaper and more effective to get some ferrets to do the rabbits - there's hundreds and they need sorting. The .338 is for deer and in the off season long distance target shooting (over 1000m up to a mile). Its a beast of a rifle and incredibly accurate. I've used a .308 for deer, but they tend to be not stupidly far away round here.." .308 is a great all round calibre, with the right load its good up to 1k. | |||
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"Seeing as with a few basic mod's you can increase the power of an air gun to something which can easily kill someone, I think it's a good idea. How would licencing stop that? It won't stop it, nothing will. It just makes it harder for people to do it illegally. I remember being able to walk into a fishing tackle shop and buying an Ox square section spring for my HW88 (about 20yrs ago). Fitting that £12 spring upper the power of that rifle to 15lbsft, that's 3 above the limit and technically meant I required a section 1 licence. If you know what you are doing a lot of air rifles can be over powered with household tools and a few odds and sods laying around your house or shed... This is still an irrelevant argument. Licencing won't stop that. It's like saying people won't speed because they have a driver's license. Or "pssst did you know if you put better spark plugs in your car it might have more power?" so what? I never said it would stop it. I said it would make it more difficult for people to do illegally. P.s. putting better spark plugs in your car just means you've put better spark plugs in your car, there's no more power. It wouldn't really make it more difficult to modify them, unless the police test fired every air rifle... I'm sure the person carrying out your inspection could fire one shot through a chronograph without too much hassle. How often is the inspection...mind you, the last Springer i bought fires between 11.7 and 12.4 . For a section 1 its at least yearly. Last year in had two surprise inspections, probably due to the calibre of one of my rifles (.338). If your springer fires at 12.4 you'll need a section 1 firearms certificate and cabinet. Whats your .338 for? I keep fancying getting my full firearms cert, I have one farm where I seriously need to reduce bunny numbers, its getting out of hand, and I'm sure I can get plenty of deer stalking if I did the certificate. Although a small voice does keep saying that I ought to forget the deer and it'd be much cheaper and more effective to get some ferrets to do the rabbits - there's hundreds and they need sorting. The .338 is for deer and in the off season long distance target shooting (over 1000m up to a mile). Its a beast of a rifle and incredibly accurate. I've used a .308 for deer, but they tend to be not stupidly far away round here.. .308 is a great all round calibre, with the right load its good up to 1k." My neighbour (a 'keeper) tends to favour smaller calibers - we only took the .308 out once for fun. The bloke lives for deer shooting, I honestly don't think he'd care if he never saw a pheasant again.. ![]() | |||
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"Seeing as with a few basic mod's you can increase the power of an air gun to something which can easily kill someone, I think it's a good idea. How would licencing stop that? It won't stop it, nothing will. It just makes it harder for people to do it illegally. I remember being able to walk into a fishing tackle shop and buying an Ox square section spring for my HW88 (about 20yrs ago). Fitting that £12 spring upper the power of that rifle to 15lbsft, that's 3 above the limit and technically meant I required a section 1 licence. If you know what you are doing a lot of air rifles can be over powered with household tools and a few odds and sods laying around your house or shed... This is still an irrelevant argument. Licencing won't stop that. It's like saying people won't speed because they have a driver's license. Or "pssst did you know if you put better spark plugs in your car it might have more power?" so what? I never said it would stop it. I said it would make it more difficult for people to do illegally. P.s. putting better spark plugs in your car just means you've put better spark plugs in your car, there's no more power. It wouldn't really make it more difficult to modify them, unless the police test fired every air rifle... I'm sure the person carrying out your inspection could fire one shot through a chronograph without too much hassle. How often is the inspection...mind you, the last Springer i bought fires between 11.7 and 12.4 . For a section 1 its at least yearly. Last year in had two surprise inspections, probably due to the calibre of one of my rifles (.338). If your springer fires at 12.4 you'll need a section 1 firearms certificate and cabinet. Whats your .338 for? I keep fancying getting my full firearms cert, I have one farm where I seriously need to reduce bunny numbers, its getting out of hand, and I'm sure I can get plenty of deer stalking if I did the certificate. Although a small voice does keep saying that I ought to forget the deer and it'd be much cheaper and more effective to get some ferrets to do the rabbits - there's hundreds and they need sorting. The .338 is for deer and in the off season long distance target shooting (over 1000m up to a mile). Its a beast of a rifle and incredibly accurate. I've used a .308 for deer, but they tend to be not stupidly far away round here.. .308 is a great all round calibre, with the right load its good up to 1k. My neighbour (a 'keeper) tends to favour smaller calibers - we only took the .308 out once for fun. The bloke lives for deer shooting, I honestly don't think he'd care if he never saw a pheasant again.. ![]() I like the larger calibre because its more testing. I will only shoot a deer if its at a range of over 800m and with a 308 there's too much chance of either missing or just maiming the animal and I don't want any suffering. It also keeps my eye in for target shooting. For pheasant, duck etc my good old Browning 12 never let's me down. | |||
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"Seeing as with a few basic mod's you can increase the power of an air gun to something which can easily kill someone, I think it's a good idea. How would licencing stop that? It won't stop it, nothing will. It just makes it harder for people to do it illegally. I remember being able to walk into a fishing tackle shop and buying an Ox square section spring for my HW88 (about 20yrs ago). Fitting that £12 spring upper the power of that rifle to 15lbsft, that's 3 above the limit and technically meant I required a section 1 licence. If you know what you are doing a lot of air rifles can be over powered with household tools and a few odds and sods laying around your house or shed... This is still an irrelevant argument. Licencing won't stop that. It's like saying people won't speed because they have a driver's license. Or "pssst did you know if you put better spark plugs in your car it might have more power?" so what? I never said it would stop it. I said it would make it more difficult for people to do illegally. P.s. putting better spark plugs in your car just means you've put better spark plugs in your car, there's no more power. It wouldn't really make it more difficult to modify them, unless the police test fired every air rifle... I'm sure the person carrying out your inspection could fire one shot through a chronograph without too much hassle. How often is the inspection...mind you, the last Springer i bought fires between 11.7 and 12.4 . For a section 1 its at least yearly. Last year in had two surprise inspections, probably due to the calibre of one of my rifles (.338). If your springer fires at 12.4 you'll need a section 1 firearms certificate and cabinet. Have to get it tested on a hot day. Just don't grease the main spring for a bit and keep it stored in the airing cupboard... ![]() One of mine (HW77)pushes out 12.2 if I use certain pellets..I use a certain airarms pellet to keep it sub 12. | |||
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"Seeing as with a few basic mod's you can increase the power of an air gun to something which can easily kill someone, I think it's a good idea. How would licencing stop that? It won't stop it, nothing will. It just makes it harder for people to do it illegally. I remember being able to walk into a fishing tackle shop and buying an Ox square section spring for my HW88 (about 20yrs ago). Fitting that £12 spring upper the power of that rifle to 15lbsft, that's 3 above the limit and technically meant I required a section 1 licence. If you know what you are doing a lot of air rifles can be over powered with household tools and a few odds and sods laying around your house or shed... This is still an irrelevant argument. Licencing won't stop that. It's like saying people won't speed because they have a driver's license. Or "pssst did you know if you put better spark plugs in your car it might have more power?" so what? I never said it would stop it. I said it would make it more difficult for people to do illegally. P.s. putting better spark plugs in your car just means you've put better spark plugs in your car, there's no more power. It wouldn't really make it more difficult to modify them, unless the police test fired every air rifle... I'm sure the person carrying out your inspection could fire one shot through a chronograph without too much hassle. How often is the inspection...mind you, the last Springer i bought fires between 11.7 and 12.4 . For a section 1 its at least yearly. Last year in had two surprise inspections, probably due to the calibre of one of my rifles (.338). If your springer fires at 12.4 you'll need a section 1 firearms certificate and cabinet. Whats your .338 for? I keep fancying getting my full firearms cert, I have one farm where I seriously need to reduce bunny numbers, its getting out of hand, and I'm sure I can get plenty of deer stalking if I did the certificate. Although a small voice does keep saying that I ought to forget the deer and it'd be much cheaper and more effective to get some ferrets to do the rabbits - there's hundreds and they need sorting. The .338 is for deer and in the off season long distance target shooting (over 1000m up to a mile). Its a beast of a rifle and incredibly accurate. I've used a .308 for deer, but they tend to be not stupidly far away round here.. .308 is a great all round calibre, with the right load its good up to 1k. My neighbour (a 'keeper) tends to favour smaller calibers - we only took the .308 out once for fun. The bloke lives for deer shooting, I honestly don't think he'd care if he never saw a pheasant again.. ![]() He's got a quota of 200 or so that he has to shoot for the cull, and stalkers won't get anything like that number, so he's out for numbers. | |||
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"Seeing as with a few basic mod's you can increase the power of an air gun to something which can easily kill someone, I think it's a good idea. How would licencing stop that? It won't stop it, nothing will. It just makes it harder for people to do it illegally. I remember being able to walk into a fishing tackle shop and buying an Ox square section spring for my HW88 (about 20yrs ago). Fitting that £12 spring upper the power of that rifle to 15lbsft, that's 3 above the limit and technically meant I required a section 1 licence. If you know what you are doing a lot of air rifles can be over powered with household tools and a few odds and sods laying around your house or shed... This is still an irrelevant argument. Licencing won't stop that. It's like saying people won't speed because they have a driver's license. Or "pssst did you know if you put better spark plugs in your car it might have more power?" so what? I never said it would stop it. I said it would make it more difficult for people to do illegally. P.s. putting better spark plugs in your car just means you've put better spark plugs in your car, there's no more power. It wouldn't really make it more difficult to modify them, unless the police test fired every air rifle... I'm sure the person carrying out your inspection could fire one shot through a chronograph without too much hassle. How often is the inspection...mind you, the last Springer i bought fires between 11.7 and 12.4 . For a section 1 its at least yearly. Last year in had two surprise inspections, probably due to the calibre of one of my rifles (.338). If your springer fires at 12.4 you'll need a section 1 firearms certificate and cabinet. Whats your .338 for? I keep fancying getting my full firearms cert, I have one farm where I seriously need to reduce bunny numbers, its getting out of hand, and I'm sure I can get plenty of deer stalking if I did the certificate. Although a small voice does keep saying that I ought to forget the deer and it'd be much cheaper and more effective to get some ferrets to do the rabbits - there's hundreds and they need sorting. The .338 is for deer and in the off season long distance target shooting (over 1000m up to a mile). Its a beast of a rifle and incredibly accurate. I've used a .308 for deer, but they tend to be not stupidly far away round here.. .308 is a great all round calibre, with the right load its good up to 1k. My neighbour (a 'keeper) tends to favour smaller calibers - we only took the .308 out once for fun. The bloke lives for deer shooting, I honestly don't think he'd care if he never saw a pheasant again.. ![]() I only shoot 2 or 3 a year. Its food and practice for me and anything else is wasteful. | |||
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"Seeing as with a few basic mod's you can increase the power of an air gun to something which can easily kill someone, I think it's a good idea. How would licencing stop that? It won't stop it, nothing will. It just makes it harder for people to do it illegally. I remember being able to walk into a fishing tackle shop and buying an Ox square section spring for my HW88 (about 20yrs ago). Fitting that £12 spring upper the power of that rifle to 15lbsft, that's 3 above the limit and technically meant I required a section 1 licence. If you know what you are doing a lot of air rifles can be over powered with household tools and a few odds and sods laying around your house or shed... This is still an irrelevant argument. Licencing won't stop that. It's like saying people won't speed because they have a driver's license. Or "pssst did you know if you put better spark plugs in your car it might have more power?" so what? I never said it would stop it. I said it would make it more difficult for people to do illegally. P.s. putting better spark plugs in your car just means you've put better spark plugs in your car, there's no more power. It wouldn't really make it more difficult to modify them, unless the police test fired every air rifle... I'm sure the person carrying out your inspection could fire one shot through a chronograph without too much hassle. How often is the inspection...mind you, the last Springer i bought fires between 11.7 and 12.4 . For a section 1 its at least yearly. Last year in had two surprise inspections, probably due to the calibre of one of my rifles (.338). If your springer fires at 12.4 you'll need a section 1 firearms certificate and cabinet. Have to get it tested on a hot day. Just don't grease the main spring for a bit and keep it stored in the airing cupboard... ![]() I love the HW77 if you can find them try some Ox Devastator pellets, I swear you could kill a cow with them!* * If you use your air rifle for hunting or pest control. | |||
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"Seeing as with a few basic mod's you can increase the power of an air gun to something which can easily kill someone, I think it's a good idea. How would licencing stop that? It won't stop it, nothing will. It just makes it harder for people to do it illegally. I remember being able to walk into a fishing tackle shop and buying an Ox square section spring for my HW88 (about 20yrs ago). Fitting that £12 spring upper the power of that rifle to 15lbsft, that's 3 above the limit and technically meant I required a section 1 licence. If you know what you are doing a lot of air rifles can be over powered with household tools and a few odds and sods laying around your house or shed... This is still an irrelevant argument. Licencing won't stop that. It's like saying people won't speed because they have a driver's license. Or "pssst did you know if you put better spark plugs in your car it might have more power?" so what? I never said it would stop it. I said it would make it more difficult for people to do illegally. P.s. putting better spark plugs in your car just means you've put better spark plugs in your car, there's no more power. It wouldn't really make it more difficult to modify them, unless the police test fired every air rifle... I'm sure the person carrying out your inspection could fire one shot through a chronograph without too much hassle." It's estimated that there are over 6 million air rifle in England and Wales. That would mean that 125,000 air rifles a week would need to be tested. That works out about 2,900 rifles per police force. I doubt many police forces could cope with that. Don't forget the nearly 2 million licenced firearms that also need to be kept under control... | |||
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"Seeing as with a few basic mod's you can increase the power of an air gun to something which can easily kill someone, I think it's a good idea. How would licencing stop that? It won't stop it, nothing will. It just makes it harder for people to do it illegally. I remember being able to walk into a fishing tackle shop and buying an Ox square section spring for my HW88 (about 20yrs ago). Fitting that £12 spring upper the power of that rifle to 15lbsft, that's 3 above the limit and technically meant I required a section 1 licence. If you know what you are doing a lot of air rifles can be over powered with household tools and a few odds and sods laying around your house or shed... This is still an irrelevant argument. Licencing won't stop that. It's like saying people won't speed because they have a driver's license. Or "pssst did you know if you put better spark plugs in your car it might have more power?" so what? I never said it would stop it. I said it would make it more difficult for people to do illegally. P.s. putting better spark plugs in your car just means you've put better spark plugs in your car, there's no more power. It wouldn't really make it more difficult to modify them, unless the police test fired every air rifle... I'm sure the person carrying out your inspection could fire one shot through a chronograph without too much hassle. It's estimated that there are over 6 million air rifle in England and Wales. That would mean that 125,000 air rifles a week would need to be tested. That works out about 2,900 rifles per police force. I doubt many police forces could cope with that. Don't forget the nearly 2 million licenced firearms that also need to be kept under control... " You're probably right. A lot of air gun groups are already campaigning against the new Scottish law and saying that its unenforceable, which it probably is. My theory is that it will reduce the number of new sales and encourage many to hand in their rifles. | |||
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"What about lamping it's legal on private land " Better off with a firearm for that. | |||
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"What about lamping it's legal on private land Better off with a firearm for that." I don't like the idea of lamping, its very unfair. | |||
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"What about lamping it's legal on private land Better off with a firearm for that. I don't like the idea of lamping, its very unfair." If it saves your crop i doubt fairness comes into it. Not something I've tried. Or wanted to. | |||
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"In some ways, yes,they were.Catapults,pea shooters,home made bows+arrows..all great fun,and very few serious injuries.But then we weren't so focused about H+S...we just had fun ![]() there was nothing wrong with melting down your old lead soldiers for your catty black widow ![]() | |||
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"Seeing as with a few basic mod's you can increase the power of an air gun to something which can easily kill someone, I think it's a good idea. How would licencing stop that? It won't stop it, nothing will. It just makes it harder for people to do it illegally. I remember being able to walk into a fishing tackle shop and buying an Ox square section spring for my HW88 (about 20yrs ago). Fitting that £12 spring upper the power of that rifle to 15lbsft, that's 3 above the limit and technically meant I required a section 1 licence. If you know what you are doing a lot of air rifles can be over powered with household tools and a few odds and sods laying around your house or shed... This is still an irrelevant argument. Licencing won't stop that. It's like saying people won't speed because they have a driver's license. Or "pssst did you know if you put better spark plugs in your car it might have more power?" so what? I never said it would stop it. I said it would make it more difficult for people to do illegally. P.s. putting better spark plugs in your car just means you've put better spark plugs in your car, there's no more power. It wouldn't really make it more difficult to modify them, unless the police test fired every air rifle... I'm sure the person carrying out your inspection could fire one shot through a chronograph without too much hassle. It's estimated that there are over 6 million air rifle in England and Wales. That would mean that 125,000 air rifles a week would need to be tested. That works out about 2,900 rifles per police force. I doubt many police forces could cope with that. Don't forget the nearly 2 million licenced firearms that also need to be kept under control... You're probably right. A lot of air gun groups are already campaigning against the new Scottish law and saying that its unenforceable, which it probably is. My theory is that it will reduce the number of new sales and encourage many to hand in their rifles." A paper exercise to raise money... | |||
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"Seeing as with a few basic mod's you can increase the power of an air gun to something which can easily kill someone, I think it's a good idea. How would licencing stop that? It won't stop it, nothing will. It just makes it harder for people to do it illegally. I remember being able to walk into a fishing tackle shop and buying an Ox square section spring for my HW88 (about 20yrs ago). Fitting that £12 spring upper the power of that rifle to 15lbsft, that's 3 above the limit and technically meant I required a section 1 licence. If you know what you are doing a lot of air rifles can be over powered with household tools and a few odds and sods laying around your house or shed... This is still an irrelevant argument. Licencing won't stop that. It's like saying people won't speed because they have a driver's license. Or "pssst did you know if you put better spark plugs in your car it might have more power?" so what? I never said it would stop it. I said it would make it more difficult for people to do illegally. P.s. putting better spark plugs in your car just means you've put better spark plugs in your car, there's no more power. It wouldn't really make it more difficult to modify them, unless the police test fired every air rifle... I'm sure the person carrying out your inspection could fire one shot through a chronograph without too much hassle. It's estimated that there are over 6 million air rifle in England and Wales. That would mean that 125,000 air rifles a week would need to be tested. That works out about 2,900 rifles per police force. I doubt many police forces could cope with that. Don't forget the nearly 2 million licenced firearms that also need to be kept under control... You're probably right. A lot of air gun groups are already campaigning against the new Scottish law and saying that its unenforceable, which it probably is. My theory is that it will reduce the number of new sales and encourage many to hand in their rifles. A paper exercise to raise money..." And fear. Because anyone with a gun wants to kill everyone around them. ![]() | |||
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"What about lamping it's legal on private land " lamping with dogs or with rifles? | |||
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"What about lamping it's legal on private land lamping with dogs or with rifles?" I didn't even know lamping with dogs was a "thing". Blimy. | |||
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"What about lamping it's legal on private land lamping with dogs or with rifles? I didn't even know lamping with dogs was a "thing". Blimy." Yeah, its mostly a way of taking hares with lurchers these days, although in the past, it was a popular way of poaching the odd rabbit for the pot. Bull x lurchers are bred for taking deer on the lamp.....mostly by our travelling friends. | |||
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"What about lamping it's legal on private land lamping with dogs or with rifles? I didn't even know lamping with dogs was a "thing". Blimy. Yeah, its mostly a way of taking hares with lurchers these days, although in the past, it was a popular way of poaching the odd rabbit for the pot. Bull x lurchers are bred for taking deer on the lamp.....mostly by our travelling friends. " Gowd bless 'em and their traditional "skills....." | |||
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"What about lamping it's legal on private land lamping with dogs or with rifles? I didn't even know lamping with dogs was a "thing". Blimy. Yeah, its mostly a way of taking hares with lurchers these days, although in the past, it was a popular way of poaching the odd rabbit for the pot. Bull x lurchers are bred for taking deer on the lamp.....mostly by our travelling friends. Gowd bless 'em and their traditional "skills....."" I have some respect for the origin of those skills... it was barely a generation ago that the rural poor lived in a way that almost beggars belief...although lamps weren't up to much back then... ![]() | |||
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""Scrumping" from garden sheds... ![]() "urban scrumping" for cars? ![]() | |||
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"Going to be a party pooper here, I think it's an excellent idea, I think they are uneccesarily dangerous, a lot of wildlife will be able to give a sigh of relief, and hopefully pain and suffering to humans will be reduced... And mindless criminal damage to Windows etc reduced. Great idea. agree ![]() The same happened to me - someone shot my cat with an airgun and he lost his left eye because of it. ![]() | |||
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"Scotland only But you can guarantee this law will flow down south and be taken up in the rest of the UK It will be a criminal offence to have an air weapon without a licence or permit from 31 December 2016. Under the new legislation approved by Holyrood last June, anyone found guilty of the new offence will be fined or face up to two years in prison. . Remember the good old days when you got home from School, picked up your air gun and headed into the woods or up the hills to play, no more good ol days for the kids of today." . It makes sense to control ownership of weapons . I am sure that anyone injured by an air rifle will fully approve of greater control over their use . | |||
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"Going to be a party pooper here, I think it's an excellent idea, I think they are uneccesarily dangerous, a lot of wildlife will be able to give a sigh of relief, and hopefully pain and suffering to humans will be reduced... And mindless criminal damage to Windows etc reduced. Great idea. " ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Licensing airguns? As an American I laugh at you all ![]() ![]() m That's why you Americans kill more people In a single day than any shootings in U.K. In a year. We need to keep weapons off our streets or will will end like you guys. | |||
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"It makes sense to control ownership of weapons . I am sure that anyone injured by an air rifle will fully approve of greater control over their use ." Yeah because the people who are brain dead enough to shoot at pets or people are going to declare/licence their air rifles aren't they. What a stupid statement to make. All licensing will do is make it awkward for people who want to get into shooting. Same as every new gun law that is introduced in this country, it does nothing more than penalise the legitimate sportsman. | |||
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