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"A bunch of namby pamby ideologists or do they really have a valid point to make in 2016 Britain ? "Take out the emotive "namby pamby," and you may have a point. | |||
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"What does namby pamby mean ?" Well honky-tonk..... It's just a none offensive light-hearted term intended to a spur a friendly and enthusiastic debate........... | |||
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"There seem to a hardcore group of protesters who attend just about every protest going, on every issue possible " This.  | |||
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"What does namby pamby mean ? Well honky-tonk..... It's just a none offensive light-hearted term intended to a spur a friendly and enthusiastic debate........... "I thought it described someone who couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag  | |||
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"What does namby pamby mean ? Well honky-tonk..... It's just a none offensive light-hearted term intended to a spur a friendly and enthusiastic debate...........
I thought it described someone who couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag "So how long were you trapped in that bag....... ?   | |||
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"how many nuclear weapons does it take to feed the world..." How many loaves of bread did it take to win World War 2? | |||
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"how many nuclear weapons does it take to feed the world... How many loaves of bread did it take to win World War 2? " there wasnt enough bread in germany.. hungry people are not happy folk.. | |||
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"The ideological problem is that it ignores the real world problem. Yes it would be preferable if everyone scrapped their nuclear arsenals but it won't happen in my lifetime " Yeah but if it helps them feel smug then who are we to stand in their way | |||
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"Placards seen so far include Books not Bombs.... NHS not Trident... Climate not Trident.... Cut War not Welfare ..... "Can I have a placard that says, "All of the above, please?" | |||
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"Placards seen so far include Books not Bombs.... NHS not Trident... Climate not Trident.... Cut War not Welfare ..... "Give peace a chance All you need is love (and drugs) Can't we all get along | |||
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"There seem to a hardcore group of protesters who attend just about every protest going, on every issue possible " if that were true do you have a problem with it? | |||
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"There seem to a hardcore group of protesters who attend just about every protest going, on every issue possible if that were true do you have a problem with it?" Yes they want equality for everyone then act like d*unk teenagers causing trouble and smashing things up costing tax payers even more money | |||
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"There seem to a hardcore group of protesters who attend just about every protest going, on every issue possible if that were true do you have a problem with it? Yes they want equality for everyone then act like d*unk teenagers causing trouble and smashing things up costing tax payers even more money " utter bollox  | |||
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"There seem to a hardcore group of protesters who attend just about every protest going, on every issue possible if that were true do you have a problem with it? Yes they want equality for everyone then act like d*unk teenagers causing trouble and smashing things up costing tax payers even more money " Well, in this case, these particular protesters believe that Trident is a bad thing. | |||
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"It is a sad fact that the biggest contribution to peace in the world today is nuclear weapons. Like it or not the mere fact that these weapons are held in vast quantities by the major world powers has stopped them going to war since WW2. The real shame is that so many people do not recognise this and would remove these weapons from the world thus returning us to an era where those with imperialist ambitions could feel secure with starting world wars and killing 10's of millions to assuage their hunger for power. " It's an even sadder fact that we have no way of knowing if the proliferation HAS prevented any wars or not: If you google "wars since 1945" there is an enormous list of conflicts, most you've never heard of. Compare it to the "wars prevented by MAD" list.................mmmm | |||
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"It is a sad fact that the biggest contribution to peace in the world today is nuclear weapons. Like it or not the mere fact that these weapons are held in vast quantities by the major world powers has stopped them going to war since WW2. The real shame is that so many people do not recognise this and would remove these weapons from the world thus returning us to an era where those with imperialist ambitions could feel secure with starting world wars and killing 10's of millions to assuage their hunger for power. " WOW! You do realise that the nuclear nations are the ones that cause the majority of wars in the world | |||
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"I wonder if any of these beard-and-sandles peaceniks ever ponder the fact that nuclear weapons have done more to prevent a Third World War than six decades worth of marches, banners and smug sloganeering put together? Probably not." . I don't think it's the ones it's prevented there disagreeing with.. It's the ONE it doesn't stop that worries them! | |||
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"I wonder if any of these beard-and-sandles peaceniks ever ponder the fact that nuclear weapons have done more to prevent a Third World War than six decades worth of marches, banners and smug sloganeering put together? Probably not.. I don't think it's the ones it's prevented there disagreeing with.. It's the ONE it doesn't stop that worries them!" Salient point.....  | |||
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"There seem to a hardcore group of protesters who attend just about every protest going, on every issue possible " If you've got a blacklist, I wanna be on it  | |||
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"I wonder if any of these beard-and-sandles peaceniks ever ponder the fact that nuclear weapons have done more to prevent a Third World War than six decades worth of marches, banners and smug sloganeering put together? Probably not." How can you prove a negative? Those "beard-and-sandles" brigade may have a legitimate point. Even during the cold war, do you think that if we had not had nuclear weapons, that the dreaded Russkies would have pressed the button and annihated us? Perhaps those hundreds of billions of pounds might have been spent on better projects? Those dreadful peaceniks clearly do not have a point. Just dismiss them. | |||
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"how many nuclear weapons does it take to feed the world..." About 27 should reduce the pupolation of humans close to extinction levels, which due to our long breeding cycles compared to most other fauna should reset the population / food balance quite well. | |||
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"I wonder if any of these beard-and-sandles peaceniks ever ponder the fact that nuclear weapons have done more to prevent a Third World War than six decades worth of marches, banners and smug sloganeering put together? Probably not." If the London establishment is so eager to renew trident then let them park it on the thames | |||
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" I don't think it's the ones it's prevented there disagreeing with.. It's the ONE it doesn't stop that worries them!" There will never be a superpower nuclear conflict, despite all the fearmongering from the Left. The cost is simply too much to pay. Even North Korea, even if it had the capability, would not risk it. There will be no global nuclear conflict (thanks to the concept of MAD) and there will never be another pan-European conflict, because European nations haven't the taste for war (nothing to do with the EU, and everything to do with the lessons of European history and not wanting to risk what we have created in our societies). There will be conflict in Europe in the future, but these will be internal struggles tied to population change and clash of cultures. We've already seen the opening salvoes of this conflict fired during the first decade and a half of this century, and it's not going to go away any time soon. | |||
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"I wonder if any of these beard-and-sandles peaceniks ever ponder the fact that nuclear weapons have done more to prevent a Third World War than six decades worth of marches, banners and smug sloganeering put together? Probably not." I wonder if any of those war fearing anaialation merchants ever considered that world war 2 probably went a long way towards preventing world war 3, and had we not been so keen to make weapons grade plutonium, we could have built safer more efficient powerstations, reduced our dependance on fossil fuels and avoided the wars in oil producing countries and the resulting terrorist strikes? | |||
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"It is a sad fact that the biggest contribution to peace in the world today is nuclear weapons. Like it or not the mere fact that these weapons are held in vast quantities by the major world powers has stopped them going to war since WW2. The real shame is that so many people do not recognise this and would remove these weapons from the world thus returning us to an era where those with imperialist ambitions could feel secure with starting world wars and killing 10's of millions to assuage their hunger for power. WOW! You do realise that the nuclear nations are the ones that cause the majority of wars in the world" Really? It's usually religion that the lefties like to blame for that but nice to see something else getting the blame... | |||
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"There seem to a hardcore group of protesters who attend just about every protest going, on every issue possible if that were true do you have a problem with it?" It's a Saturday and a free country... I'm pretty indifferent to them to be honest. I wouldn't ban the freedom to protest if that's what you mean? I think it somewhat cheapens their arguement when you see the same people protesting this and that. I've already given my account of trying to talk to the 'occupy London' lot. Most of them didn't believe in jack shit. | |||
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"My grudge is the cost. I would like to see some sort of justification in the amounts to be spent. Especially when it'll be over budget. Contractors vastly overprice items, past mod projects have wasted countless millions." It comes out of the defence budget. If it wasn't going on trident they'd spent it on something else, most countries spend 2% of GDP on their military irrespective of whether they have nuclear weapons or not. Our tanks are pretty old, do you really give a shit if the MOD buys new tanks, nukes or more Type 26's? | |||
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"There seem to a hardcore group of protesters who attend just about every protest going, on every issue possible if that were true do you have a problem with it? It's a Saturday and a free country... I'm pretty indifferent to them to be honest. I wouldn't ban the freedom to protest if that's what you mean? I think it somewhat cheapens their arguement when you see the same people protesting this and that. I've already given my account of trying to talk to the 'occupy London' lot. Most of them didn't believe in jack shit." you clearly fail to grasp the fundamentals of grassroots politics, but then you're only young so it may not be entirely your fault. try reading some books which are more relevant to life rather than studying ways to make money for the state. | |||
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"There seem to a hardcore group of protesters who attend just about every protest going, on every issue possible if that were true do you have a problem with it? It's a Saturday and a free country... I'm pretty indifferent to them to be honest. I wouldn't ban the freedom to protest if that's what you mean? I think it somewhat cheapens their arguement when you see the same people protesting this and that. I've already given my account of trying to talk to the 'occupy London' lot. Most of them didn't believe in jack shit. you clearly fail to grasp the fundamentals of grassroots politics, but then you're only young so it may not be entirely your fault. try reading some books which are more relevant to life rather than studying ways to make money for the state." So because nobody outside the CND gives a shit about them, I just don't understand it. OK sure. | |||
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"(I said)It is a sad fact that the biggest contribution to peace in the world today is nuclear weapons. Like it or not the mere fact that these weapons are held in vast quantities by the major world powers has stopped them going to war since WW2. The real shame is that so many people do not recognise this and would remove these weapons from the world thus returning us to an era where those with imperialist ambitions could feel secure with starting world wars and killing 10's of millions to assuage their hunger for power. (Turnon-Delight said)It's an even sadder fact that we have no way of knowing if the proliferation HAS prevented any wars or not: If you google "wars since 1945" there is an enormous list of conflicts, most you've never heard of. Compare it to the "wars prevented by MAD" list.................mmmm" "( Hotblondewife hornyMr said)WOW! You do realise that the nuclear nations are the ones that cause the majority of wars in the world" True. However if you read the history of WW2 you will see that the military estimates of looses for each campaign and battle were if anything on the low side. The estimate for Allied losses invading the Japanese Home Islands was 3 million dead and between 50 and 90% of the total Japanese population! 2 atomic bombs and Japan surrendered. Further if you dig a little deeper into your history you will find that as soon as countries becomes nuclear powers other countries stop attacking them. The perfect example is India and Pakistan who hate each other and have spent decades fighting in Kashmir. However as soon as they both exploded nuclear devices they found that although they still hate each other they no longer want to be at war with one another. The same is true everywhere you look. Admittedly the big powers now fight proxy wars that are violent in the extreme but they always pull back from direct conflict. Do you really believe that if the weapons to back up MAD were not available The Soviet Union, China, USA and the West would not be in direct conflict? As I said it is very sad, and sadder that well meaning people would strip us of what peace we have by removing our one real weapon that guarantees we live in relitive peace in the UK. | |||
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"Even during the cold war, do you think that if we had not had nuclear weapons, that the dreaded Russkies would have pressed the button and annihated us? Perhaps those hundreds of billions of pounds might have been spent on better projects? " Really? I think you miss the point! The cold war was cold BECAUSE we had nuclear weapons. If we did not have them it would have been a WAR! Not a nuclear war just a war. A bit like the one Russia is fighting in Ukraine but a lot more open! Also remember that Vlad has said that he put his nuclear arsenal on alert and was ready to use it last summer in The Ukraine, and Vlad is nothing like as ruthless as Uncle Jo! | |||
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"My grudge is the cost. I would like to see some sort of justification in the amounts to be spent. Especially when it'll be over budget. Contractors vastly overprice items, past mod projects have wasted countless millions. It comes out of the defence budget. If it wasn't going on trident they'd spent it on something else, most countries spend 2% of GDP on their military irrespective of whether they have nuclear weapons or not. Our tanks are pretty old, do you really give a shit if the MOD buys new tanks, nukes or more Type 26's? " yep! I do. 2% on good quality equipment fit for purpose for those operating them, doesn't drop people in the shit and not ripped off by contractors. it'll be more than 2% when private contractors cream off the profits | |||
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"Really? I think you miss the point! The cold war was cold BECAUSE we had nuclear weapons. If we did not have them it would have been a WAR! Not a nuclear war just a war. A bit like the one Russia is fighting in Ukraine but a lot more open! Also remember that Vlad has said that he put his nuclear arsenal on alert and was ready to use it last summer in The Ukraine, and Vlad is nothing like as ruthless as Uncle Jo!" | |||
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" I wonder if any of those war fearing anaialation merchants ever considered that world war 2 probably went a long way towards preventing world war 3," Oh yeah? Like WW1 prevented WW2? Fuck me. Look, we live in a system of society that generates war. It's just an extension of business. Want a world without weapons of mass destruction? Remove the cause of war in the modern world. (Bonus: The cause of war in the modern world is also the cause of poverty, crime, starvation, environmental despoliation and a whole host of other disgusting social problems.) | |||
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"My grudge is the cost. I would like to see some sort of justification in the amounts to be spent. Especially when it'll be over budget. Contractors vastly overprice items, past mod projects have wasted countless millions. It comes out of the defence budget. If it wasn't going on trident they'd spent it on something else, most countries spend 2% of GDP on their military irrespective of whether they have nuclear weapons or not. Our tanks are pretty old, do you really give a shit if the MOD buys new tanks, nukes or more Type 26's? " btw.. Something that's expensive does not guarantee quality. | |||
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"My grudge is the cost. I would like to see some sort of justification in the amounts to be spent. Especially when it'll be over budget. Contractors vastly overprice items, past mod projects have wasted countless millions. It comes out of the defence budget. If it wasn't going on trident they'd spent it on something else, most countries spend 2% of GDP on their military irrespective of whether they have nuclear weapons or not. Our tanks are pretty old, do you really give a shit if the MOD buys new tanks, nukes or more Type 26's? yep! I do. 2% on good quality equipment fit for purpose for those operating them, doesn't drop people in the shit and not ripped off by contractors. it'll be more than 2% when private contractors cream off the profits " What's the average net profit of a defence prime contractor? | |||
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"There seem to a hardcore group of protesters who attend just about every protest going, on every issue possible if that were true do you have a problem with it? It's a Saturday and a free country... I'm pretty indifferent to them to be honest. I wouldn't ban the freedom to protest if that's what you mean? I think it somewhat cheapens their arguement when you see the same people protesting this and that. I've already given my account of trying to talk to the 'occupy London' lot. Most of them didn't believe in jack shit. you clearly fail to grasp the fundamentals of grassroots politics, but then you're only young so it may not be entirely your fault. try reading some books which are more relevant to life rather than studying ways to make money for the state. So because nobody outside the CND gives a shit about them, I just don't understand it. OK sure. " no, it's just when you belittle the process of voicing an opinion using mass protest rallys by saying the things you do such as they are all the same few people, they are all too stoned to know what they stand for, they are all uneducated, they smell etc etc then it just kinda shows an immature lack of understanding really. the fact that you think that your one experience of a protest gives you enough insight into all the protests that ever took place in the UK allows you to write them all off as the same generic protest reoccuring over and over shows a lack of understanding of the UK's tradition of mass public protests stretching back over 1000 years and what they have achieved. and when it comes to the "occupy" protest you seem to fail to understand that the whole point of the group "anonymous". they are anonymous, so why would they wish to break they're anonymity to explain anything to a cynic such as yourself. the whole point of that particular protest is civil disobedience. the authorities have passed laws saying "you have to have our permission to protest" and a loosely associated mass of people telling the authorities "no we don't". i'm saying you don't understand that concept at this present moment in time, most likely because you choose not to rather than thinking about it all properly. | |||
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"There seem to a hardcore group of protesters who attend just about every protest going, on every issue possible if that were true do you have a problem with it? It's a Saturday and a free country... I'm pretty indifferent to them to be honest. I wouldn't ban the freedom to protest if that's what you mean? I think it somewhat cheapens their arguement when you see the same people protesting this and that. I've already given my account of trying to talk to the 'occupy London' lot. Most of them didn't believe in jack shit. you clearly fail to grasp the fundamentals of grassroots politics, but then you're only young so it may not be entirely your fault. try reading some books which are more relevant to life rather than studying ways to make money for the state. So because nobody outside the CND gives a shit about them, I just don't understand it. OK sure. no, it's just when you belittle the process of voicing an opinion using mass protest rallys by saying the things you do such as they are all the same few people, they are all too stoned to know what they stand for, they are all uneducated, they smell etc etc then it just kinda shows an immature lack of understanding really. the fact that you think that your one experience of a protest gives you enough insight into all the protests that ever took place in the UK allows you to write them all off as the same generic protest reoccuring over and over shows a lack of understanding of the UK's tradition of mass public protests stretching back over 1000 years and what they have achieved. and when it comes to the "occupy" protest you seem to fail to understand that the whole point of the group "anonymous". they are anonymous, so why would they wish to break they're anonymity to explain anything to a cynic such as yourself. the whole point of that particular protest is civil disobedience. the authorities have passed laws saying "you have to have our permission to protest" and a loosely associated mass of people telling the authorities "no we don't". i'm saying you don't understand that concept at this present moment in time, most likely because you choose not to rather than thinking about it all properly." Or because I just don't agree with them. I have a masters in this bloody subject so believe me when I say my position is well considered, even if you don't agree with it. I never said they were uneducated either. I don't know what your problem is. They are welcome to have their protest and sit on their high horse. Just like I have the right to think they are wrong and ignore them. | |||
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"A bunch of namby pamby ideologists or do they really have a valid point to make in 2016 Britain ? "The noisy minority. | |||
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"There seem to a hardcore group of protesters who attend just about every protest going, on every issue possible if that were true do you have a problem with it? It's a Saturday and a free country... I'm pretty indifferent to them to be honest. I wouldn't ban the freedom to protest if that's what you mean? I think it somewhat cheapens their arguement when you see the same people protesting this and that. I've already given my account of trying to talk to the 'occupy London' lot. Most of them didn't believe in jack shit. you clearly fail to grasp the fundamentals of grassroots politics, but then you're only young so it may not be entirely your fault. try reading some books which are more relevant to life rather than studying ways to make money for the state. So because nobody outside the CND gives a shit about them, I just don't understand it. OK sure. no, it's just when you belittle the process of voicing an opinion using mass protest rallys by saying the things you do such as they are all the same few people, they are all too stoned to know what they stand for, they are all uneducated, they smell etc etc then it just kinda shows an immature lack of understanding really. the fact that you think that your one experience of a protest gives you enough insight into all the protests that ever took place in the UK allows you to write them all off as the same generic protest reoccuring over and over shows a lack of understanding of the UK's tradition of mass public protests stretching back over 1000 years and what they have achieved. and when it comes to the "occupy" protest you seem to fail to understand that the whole point of the group "anonymous". they are anonymous, so why would they wish to break they're anonymity to explain anything to a cynic such as yourself. the whole point of that particular protest is civil disobedience. the authorities have passed laws saying "you have to have our permission to protest" and a loosely associated mass of people telling the authorities "no we don't". i'm saying you don't understand that concept at this present moment in time, most likely because you choose not to rather than thinking about it all properly. Or because I just don't agree with them. I have a masters in this bloody subject so believe me when I say my position is well considered, even if you don't agree with it. I never said they were uneducated either. I don't know what your problem is. They are welcome to have their protest and sit on their high horse. Just like I have the right to think they are wrong and ignore them. " yeah ... you're doing a really good job of ignoring them by continually commenting about them on fab threads ... nice job | |||
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"There seem to a hardcore group of protesters who attend just about every protest going, on every issue possible " Comrade Corbyn being a leading light of this group! | |||
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"There seem to a hardcore group of protesters who attend just about every protest going, on every issue possible if that were true do you have a problem with it? It's a Saturday and a free country... I'm pretty indifferent to them to be honest. I wouldn't ban the freedom to protest if that's what you mean? I think it somewhat cheapens their arguement when you see the same people protesting this and that. I've already given my account of trying to talk to the 'occupy London' lot. Most of them didn't believe in jack shit. you clearly fail to grasp the fundamentals of grassroots politics, but then you're only young so it may not be entirely your fault. try reading some books which are more relevant to life rather than studying ways to make money for the state. So because nobody outside the CND gives a shit about them, I just don't understand it. OK sure. no, it's just when you belittle the process of voicing an opinion using mass protest rallys by saying the things you do such as they are all the same few people, they are all too stoned to know what they stand for, they are all uneducated, they smell etc etc then it just kinda shows an immature lack of understanding really. the fact that you think that your one experience of a protest gives you enough insight into all the protests that ever took place in the UK allows you to write them all off as the same generic protest reoccuring over and over shows a lack of understanding of the UK's tradition of mass public protests stretching back over 1000 years and what they have achieved. and when it comes to the "occupy" protest you seem to fail to understand that the whole point of the group "anonymous". they are anonymous, so why would they wish to break they're anonymity to explain anything to a cynic such as yourself. the whole point of that particular protest is civil disobedience. the authorities have passed laws saying "you have to have our permission to protest" and a loosely associated mass of people telling the authorities "no we don't". i'm saying you don't understand that concept at this present moment in time, most likely because you choose not to rather than thinking about it all properly. Or because I just don't agree with them. I have a masters in this bloody subject so believe me when I say my position is well considered, even if you don't agree with it. I never said they were uneducated either. I don't know what your problem is. They are welcome to have their protest and sit on their high horse. Just like I have the right to think they are wrong and ignore them. yeah ... you're doing a really good job of ignoring them by continually commenting about them on fab threads ... nice job " Apologies, it's their message I ignore. They are great to fun of. A quick read of the thread shows that I'm not the only one with a sensitive nose to them... | |||
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" I wonder if any of those war fearing anaialation merchants ever considered that world war 2 probably went a long way towards preventing world war 3, Oh yeah? Like WW1 prevented WW2? Fuck me. Look, we live in a system of society that generates war. It's just an extension of business. Want a world without weapons of mass destruction? Remove the cause of war in the modern world. (Bonus: The cause of war in the modern world is also the cause of poverty, crime, starvation, environmental despoliation and a whole host of other disgusting social problems.)" I must be being dumb tonight, what is this cause of war that you mention above? I wasn't aware it could be ascribed to one thing, but interested to find out more. As I recall from my history lessons wars have been going on longer that prostitution (it was a fun course!), so this cause must be pervasive & good at hiding... | |||
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" I wonder if any of those war fearing anaialation merchants ever considered that world war 2 probably went a long way towards preventing world war 3, Oh yeah? Like WW1 prevented WW2? Fuck me. Look, we live in a system of society that generates war. It's just an extension of business. Want a world without weapons of mass destruction? Remove the cause of war in the modern world. (Bonus: The cause of war in the modern world is also the cause of poverty, crime, starvation, environmental despoliation and a whole host of other disgusting social problems.) I must be being dumb tonight, what is this cause of war that you mention above? I wasn't aware it could be ascribed to one thing, but interested to find out more. As I recall from my history lessons wars have been going on longer that prostitution (it was a fun course!), so this cause must be pervasive & good at hiding..." The correct answer is: human nature. But I'm expecting either: religion, the 1% or Margaret Thatcher. | |||
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" I wonder if any of those war fearing anaialation merchants ever considered that world war 2 probably went a long way towards preventing world war 3, Oh yeah? Like WW1 prevented WW2? Fuck me. Look, we live in a system of society that generates war. It's just an extension of business. Want a world without weapons of mass destruction? Remove the cause of war in the modern world. (Bonus: The cause of war in the modern world is also the cause of poverty, crime, starvation, environmental despoliation and a whole host of other disgusting social problems.) I must be being dumb tonight, what is this cause of war that you mention above? I wasn't aware it could be ascribed to one thing, but interested to find out more. As I recall from my history lessons wars have been going on longer that prostitution (it was a fun course!), so this cause must be pervasive & good at hiding... The correct answer is: human nature. But I'm expecting either: religion, the 1% or Margaret Thatcher." I remember well that Helen of Troy was actually Maggie! ; ) | |||
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" I wonder if any of those war fearing anaialation merchants ever considered that world war 2 probably went a long way towards preventing world war 3, Oh yeah? Like WW1 prevented WW2? Fuck me. Look, we live in a system of society that generates war. It's just an extension of business. Want a world without weapons of mass destruction? Remove the cause of war in the modern world. (Bonus: The cause of war in the modern world is also the cause of poverty, crime, starvation, environmental despoliation and a whole host of other disgusting social problems.) I must be being dumb tonight, what is this cause of war that you mention above? I wasn't aware it could be ascribed to one thing, but interested to find out more. As I recall from my history lessons wars have been going on longer that prostitution (it was a fun course!), so this cause must be pervasive & good at hiding... The correct answer is: human nature. But I'm expecting either: religion, the 1% or Margaret Thatcher. I remember well that Helen of Troy was actually Maggie! ; )" Well Maggie was just the reincarnation of Helen of Troy but six of one and half a dozen of the other | |||
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