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britons to be prosecuted for paying for sex anywhere in the world

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By *eavenNhell OP   Couple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

not content with making it illegal to pay for sex in Northern ireland mps now want to make this uk wide and as with norway make it an offence for a uk citizen to pay for sex anywhere in the world thoughts ?

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By *rtemisiaWoman
over a year ago

Norwich

Sex tourism is a pretty revolting business when it involves vulnerable young people.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Will they be sending a chaperone with every stag party that goes to Amsterdam then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sex tourism is a pretty revolting business when it involves vulnerable young people. "

100% agree. What about when it involves fully consenting adults though?

Is it right or fair that a person who hasn't had sex for a while, and isn't blessed enough to go out and simply 'pull' should have to live the life of a celibate?

Provided (of course) there are safeguards in place to protect vulnerable people and the escorts are fully consenting then I think there IS a legitimate place for paid sex out there.

I wouldn't want to condemn anyone to a sexless life if that's not what they wanted, when an escort can provide that release for them as and when required.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"not content with making it illegal to pay for sex in Northern ireland mps now want to make this uk wide and as with norway make it an offence for a uk citizen to pay for sex anywhere in the world thoughts ?"
would this include paying to get into a swingers club with a view to having sex ,where is the line drawn ?

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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago

Chippenham Malmesbury area

The sex industry in countries like Germany is well managed and governed; when it's legal and run like this, I don't see anything wrong with paying for sex - the sec workers aren't being exploited and the customers aren't at risk.

I wouldn't pay for sex in this country as the workers and customers do not have state governance to protect them.

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By *atcoupleCouple
over a year ago

Suffolk - East Anglia


"Sex tourism is a pretty revolting business when it involves vulnerable young people.

100% agree. What about when it involves fully consenting adults though?

Is it right or fair that a person who hasn't had sex for a while, and isn't blessed enough to go out and simply 'pull' should have to live the life of a celibate?

Provided (of course) there are safeguards in place to protect vulnerable people and the escorts are fully consenting then I think there IS a legitimate place for paid sex out there.

I wouldn't want to condemn anyone to a sexless life if that's not what they wanted, when an escort can provide that release for them as and when required."

A sound and reasonable point of view

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So does it also mean that going to our clubs would be illegal?

You could say we are paying for sex when we enter a club......just a thought

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

Don't know about Northern Ireland but prostitution isn't illegal in this country

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So a Briton paying for sex in a country or region where prostitution is legalised, would by definition, be breaking UK law in another country?

Well that throws up interesting questions about international law, sovereignty, jurisdiction.

Technically, no crime was committed.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"So does it also mean that going to our clubs would be illegal?

You could say we are paying for sex when we enter a club......just a thought "

And hotel rooms; I've heard people have sex there too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"not content with making it illegal to pay for sex in Northern ireland mps now want to make this uk wide and as with norway make it an offence for a uk citizen to pay for sex anywhere in the world thoughts ?"

Legal principles are getting turned on their head . Jurisdiction ???

The saville thing was the biggest recent example. Just mad. Or the guys being charged with a 'crime ' from 40 years ago.

But get the mob behind you and Can do anything .

Like with the footballer case - let's remove the anonymity in sex cases. Some attention grabbing drama queen - gets to drag him into court with anonymous accusations.

Also So many people want to stick their nose into your business- amazing .

Control freaks and prissy moralists everywhere

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Slippery slope. Who the hell do they think they are?

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"Slippery slope. Who the hell do they think they are? "

Legislators

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

It's aimed at sex tourism such as the underage child sex workers in Thailand etc.

Trouble is, measures like this are too crude to be effective.

And of course it's not illegal to lay to go to a club; you pay entry fee to use the club; " if" sex happens ; that's just what happens.

Same as escorts; in theory you don't pay for sex, you pay them for their time. Technically the sex us an addition " if they choose to.

It's actually very difficult to police unless the police have evidence that a sex act and a price for it was agreed .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Slippery slope. Who the hell do they think they are?

Legislators "

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"Slippery slope. Who the hell do they think they are?

Legislators

"

Get us out of the eu

So we make our own rules

Tongue firm in cheek xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

1 thing 1 would never do is pay for sex.

Been the strip clubs and had stunning girls offer me extra's later on back at a hotel which 1 swiftly rejected.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I cannot see this going ahead anyway like people say how will you police it?

I cannot understand why it's not good practice to legalise prostitution, as it stands sex workers have little to no rights some are forced into the life. By legalising it tax will be paid, the workers will be looked after better and could eliminate pimps and sex traffickers.

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By *errygTV/TS
over a year ago

denton

bit rich mps wanting to bring that law, in the early sixties christine keeler was sleeping with cabinet members and some mps have rent boys, most men pay indirectly there was a upmarket club i knew girls went there to meet business men who would wine and dine them buy them presents is that indirect selling sex, me and my mate went to a club they thought was rough but met girls who we had sex with in ginnels etc, those girls did it because they wanted to, and not to gain gifts etc,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If a guy pays a consenting female, not under age or dodgy etc surely thats better than him raping someone in desperation!

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By *aneandpaulCouple
over a year ago

cleveleys

Will M P,s be exempt like they are from most things

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not 100% certain how they are proposing the law to work in Ireland but I would imagine it will be similar to the system that already operates here in the UK and was specifically introduced to cover underage sex tourism but can also be used for other offences.

IF it is an offence in the country the person visited AND in the UK, then the UK authorities can prosecute the offender here.

So in our current system it has to be an offence in the first instance, and it has to be so in BOTH countries.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This week on sky High class escorts in London making 1000s from sex in some way .... high class as it was 100s for a hour or two. Sex will make people a lot of money so no laws will stop them finding ways around it. Sex world has good and bad sides like everything and it needs controls its just hard when a lot is under cover.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wandered how long it would be before the powers that be would want to control our sex lives.I wonder if it will apply to them i doubt it.An MP can smoke and drink in the bar in Parliament yes rich isn't it.Prehaps they'll be allowed a selection of prostitutes delivered at lunchtimes to amuse them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can see why 100s of singles are on here for free sex. lol x

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"So does it also mean that going to our clubs would be illegal?

You could say we are paying for sex when we enter a club......just a thought "

You are not paying for sex when you enter a club, you are paying to enter and use the facilities in that club and this doesn't always result in sex!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think MP's in this country have sufficient authority to create enforceable worldwide legislation, so I'll just take the story with a pinch of salt.....

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By *errygTV/TS
over a year ago

denton


"I wandered how long it would be before the powers that be would want to control our sex lives.I wonder if it will apply to them i doubt it.An MP can smoke and drink in the bar in Parliament yes rich isn't it.Prehaps they'll be allowed a selection of prostitutes delivered at lunchtimes to amuse them"
yes mps will be exempt its a case of do what we say,we are just plebs.

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

Bear in mind this makes it legal to sell sex but not to buy it. So it takes the criminal behaviour away from the prostitutes and criminalizes the customers.

The OP mentions Norway. Which has a thriving sex industry. It's regulated and workers have protection.

In it's essence this is a good law which could offer support and reduce fear for sex workers. But it's flawed, it's not going to solve all that is wrong within the sex industry.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

It's trafficking and forced sex work that they need to stop, not consensual sex work.

Unfortunately I can't see how they can tackle trafficking without affecting the consensual trade.

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By *rtemisiaWoman
over a year ago

Norwich


"Sex tourism is a pretty revolting business when it involves vulnerable young people.

100% agree. What about when it involves fully consenting adults though?

Is it right or fair that a person who hasn't had sex for a while, and isn't blessed enough to go out and simply 'pull' should have to live the life of a celibate?

Provided (of course) there are safeguards in place to protect vulnerable people and the escorts are fully consenting then I think there IS a legitimate place for paid sex out there.

I wouldn't want to condemn anyone to a sexless life if that's not what they wanted, when an escort can provide that release for them as and when required."

I sometimes wonder how many choose prostitution and how many genuinely have no choice or think they have no choice. The woman in the sex shop window in Amsterdam, sat eating her dinner off her knee as people gaze in; how did her life get her there? I grant you she is a very different proposition to underage kids in the hands of controlling criminals. Even so, how much genuine choice is involved in either case?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Adults consensual affairs should be no business of the state.

This is too close to a totalitarian control of the people.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Sex tourism is a pretty revolting business when it involves vulnerable young people.

100% agree. What about when it involves fully consenting adults though?

Is it right or fair that a person who hasn't had sex for a while, and isn't blessed enough to go out and simply 'pull' should have to live the life of a celibate?

Provided (of course) there are safeguards in place to protect vulnerable people and the escorts are fully consenting then I think there IS a legitimate place for paid sex out there.

I wouldn't want to condemn anyone to a sexless life if that's not what they wanted, when an escort can provide that release for them as and when required.

I sometimes wonder how many choose prostitution and how many genuinely have no choice or think they have no choice. The woman in the sex shop window in Amsterdam, sat eating her dinner off her knee as people gaze in; how did her life get her there? I grant you she is a very different proposition to underage kids in the hands of controlling criminals. Even so, how much genuine choice is involved in either case?"

Read "Working" by Dolores French. It's interesting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"not content with making it illegal to pay for sex in Northern ireland mps now want to make this uk wide and as with norway make it an offence for a uk citizen to pay for sex anywhere in the world thoughts ?"
Surely it could not be done with prostitution legal in massive countries like Germany and Holland

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By *S RachaelTV/TS
over a year ago

Lowestoft


"not content with making it illegal to pay for sex in Northern ireland mps now want to make this uk wide and as with norway make it an offence for a uk citizen to pay for sex anywhere in the world thoughts ?Surely it could not be done with prostitution legal in massive countries like Germany and Holland"

So no more free meals and drinks ladies.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I am so against this, for many reasons. Amnesty International called for decriminalisation of the sex trade, including brothels - which is my belief for what is right.

Whilst this is the current position in Northern Ireland, it's just a stupid increase in legislation without any resources to implement and manage it. How on earth will they police UK citizens abroad, going about what may be legal practices in other countries?

And anyone who thinks that it's right to have a full ban on sex for sale in the UK must be living in another world. It won't work, even if it has seemed to in some towns, or in different countries.

A recent survey has shown the majority of sex workers against this, believing that they will become more endangered, if it's pushed more underground, due to law. I feel like we're returning to the dark ages.

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone

This is bollocks, they've got time for this, but nanny westminster still hasn't knitted me a fucking jumper. I don't care if it doesn't fit properly, it would be nice just to know she cares

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sex tourism is a pretty revolting business when it involves vulnerable young people.

100% agree. What about when it involves fully consenting adults though?

Is it right or fair that a person who hasn't had sex for a while, and isn't blessed enough to go out and simply 'pull' should have to live the life of a celibate?

Provided (of course) there are safeguards in place to protect vulnerable people and the escorts are fully consenting then I think there IS a legitimate place for paid sex out there.

I wouldn't want to condemn anyone to a sexless life if that's not what they wanted, when an escort can provide that release for them as and when required.

A sound and reasonable point of view "

Agree also!

I also think the number of rapes/sexual assaults will hit the roof if mp's are stupid enough to try to enforce this law!

Sex workers are necessary and have been since the dawn of time. Xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It needs regulation not criminalisation... The big issue in sex trade is under age, people trafficking and slavery... Making it illegal only makes the trade more lucrative for would be offenders... And more dangerous for its victims...

I for one have no objection to two consenting adults making mutually beneficial arrangements, although I never have and would hope I would never be in the position I felt this was the only way to get my needs met.

Same concept applies to recreational substances... If they were regulated and there was dispensary centres for certain types of substances, there would be less money to be made illegally in the trade and less people dying in night clubs from killer pills...

In both instances you're never going to stop the industry, why make it more dangerous?

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By *arker66Man
over a year ago

Manchester


"Will M P,s be exempt like they are from most things "

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Generally resource and enforce current legislation, including cooperation internationally on people trafficking.

Underage sex is already illegal.

People trafficking is already illegal.

Controlling and exploitation of people is illegal: like the modern day examples of people charged with slavery type offenses.

We either have a right wing government wanting a smaller state or not. I can understand how some things have crept into Northern Ireland, as there have been power/control issues there, as with not permitting same sex couples to marry. But we don't need to emulate their law with something that's unenforceable.

Just ensure current laws are pursued or changed, if they can't manage trafficking or child abuse. Sex workers should have every right to pursue their profession as they see fit - and it won't stop, just because some nuts step in trying to enforce control. Women are potentially more vulnerable and driving stuff underground will just likely increase that and harm done to them.

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By *eavenNhell OP   Couple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

it has been illegal to pay someone for sex in northern ireland since july which has lead to a huge increase in prostitution across the border as men travel there for their treats .the nothern ireland parliament now propse to make it illegal for nothern irish citizens to pay for sex anywhere to curb this trade . this is being watched by our own parlaiment with a view to introducing it here

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"it has been illegal to pay someone for sex in northern ireland since july which has lead to a huge increase in prostitution across the border as men travel there for their treats .the nothern ireland parliament now propse to make it illegal for nothern irish citizens to pay for sex anywhere to curb this trade . this is being watched by our own parlaiment with a view to introducing it here "

They won't be able to police it as they don't the have the resources, simple as. They can't follow every person who crosses the border and keep surveillance tabs on them. After all the government cuts, police resources are already stretched as it is.

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By *S RachaelTV/TS
over a year ago

Lowestoft


"not content with making it illegal to pay for sex in Northern ireland mps now want to make this uk wide and as with norway make it an offence for a uk citizen to pay for sex anywhere in the world thoughts ?"

We have been here before. Its illogical to make the consumer a criminal but not the supplier. Its like making the pusher immune but not the addict.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

We have some stupid people trying to rule us. King Canute, or something like that, comes to mind.

It's partly an anti male ideology imo, due to the imbalance of who the purchasers are. Coupled with a Victorian antisex mindset that refuses to die.

The resources aren't there, as others say, and it should not be on any priority list to consider in the slightest.

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By *xBadGirlxxTV/TS
over a year ago

truro

The only way they could ever enforce this would be to prosecute the accused on return if he has been caught, charged and possibly even convicted whilst he was in another country doing the deed, petty much as it is now really...

Since when does something being illegal stop it happening? It just criminalisies a group of otherwise harmless people in a lot of cases. Once someone is crimanilised, and things like insurance becomes more expensive and harder to obtain, getting a job becomes harder then we create criminals who just think sod it, might as well do...

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By *helbeeCouple
over a year ago

Nuneaton

We Live In A Nanny State

Where your not allowed to do anything

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is horrifying!! The religious right and the "Holier than thou" biggots use sex as a whipping boy.

Because some don't understand the concept of NSA sex, free or paid for, the want it banned. They will find any excuse to restrict the lives of if they can.

Consider, if people get injured when they are robbed they don't try and ban money so why, if some girls are trafficked, do they try and ban paid sex? Why not hunt down the traffickers?

The next step will be to make all sex outside marriage illegal (like Dubai for example). Then they will scan the Fab records to find criminals.

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By *helbeeCouple
over a year ago

Nuneaton

To me this country is so old fashioned ..behind the times when it comes to sex like the Mary Whitehouse brigade

It's the old fashioned stiff upper lip attitude to sex let's ban everything type of attitude when it comes to sex

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Jeremy Corbyn will legalise prostitution, and probably cannabis too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think if you go to another country you abide by their laws

If it's a country where prostitution is legal I don't see why you are doing anything wrong by paying for one

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By *otgirl32Woman
over a year ago

Ashton Under Lyne


"I cannot see this going ahead anyway like people say how will you police it?

I cannot understand why it's not good practice to legalise prostitution, as it stands sex workers have little to no rights some are forced into the life. By legalising it tax will be paid, the workers will be looked after better and could eliminate pimps and sex traffickers. "

This is so true - legalize it and it sorts out a lot of issues. There's nothing immoral about escorting if the escort is an adult and not coerced. Used car salesmanship is a far more immoral profession IMHO.

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By *otgirl32Woman
over a year ago

Ashton Under Lyne


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I sometimes wonder how many choose prostitution and how many genuinely have no choice or think they have no choice. The woman in the sex shop window in Amsterdam, sat eating her dinner off her knee as people gaze in; how did her life get her there? I grant you she is a very different proposition to underage kids in the hands of controlling criminals. Even so, how much genuine choice is involved in either case?"

That's a bit of a relative question. I didn't become a medical secretary by first choice it sort of happened. I'd much rather have become a different professional. Same applies to many escorts - may not be their "dream" job but it pays the bills and so it happens. She had the option to take something else up, like working in a store or be a cleaner, but didn't want it for a variety of reasons. It was an informed choice. That's different from the sex trafficked.

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By *anderer8707Man
over a year ago

Telford


"not content with making it illegal to pay for sex in Northern ireland mps now want to make this uk wide and as with norway make it an offence for a uk citizen to pay for sex anywhere in the world thoughts ?"

Bit of a headline grabbing statement if ever I saw one?

What defines 'paying for sex'? I've been married 35 years and i've been paying for it ever since (just kidding)

It's unenforceable and, dare I say it, relatively undetectable unless by open admission.

If the 'offence' isn't committed in the Country where the law applies, I can't see an offence has been committed.

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By *c-ukMan
over a year ago

Sevenoaks

I'm on a 6 year drought, I don't have a sex life at all and I miss it. I would pay for hotels, trips and spoil a lady etc but I don't think I could ever pay for sex. Personally it would just make me feel like even more of a failure.

I do however resent not having the legal option and just see it as an over bearing nanny state government trying to impose morals on consenting adults..

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By *S RachaelTV/TS
over a year ago

Lowestoft


"I'm on a 6 year drought, I don't have a sex life at all and I miss it. I would pay for hotels, trips and spoil a lady etc but I don't think I could ever pay for sex. Personally it would just make me feel like even more of a failure.

I do however resent not having the legal option and just see it as an over bearing nanny state government trying to impose morals on consenting adults..

"

You all have it wrong. This is not a religious, puritan or moral crusade it isca middle class feminist one.

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By *c-ukMan
over a year ago

Sevenoaks

Did I even me mention religion ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So a Briton paying for sex in a country or region where prostitution is legalised, would by definition, be breaking UK law in another country?

Well that throws up interesting questions about international law, sovereignty, jurisdiction.

Technically, no crime was committed."

It's the same principle as bribery. It's illegal for a brit to bribe, even in a country where bribery isn't illegal...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm on a 6 year drought, I don't have a sex life at all and I miss it. I would pay for hotels, trips and spoil a lady etc but I don't think I could ever pay for sex. Personally it would just make me feel like even more of a failure.

I do however resent not having the legal option and just see it as an over bearing nanny state government trying to impose morals on consenting adults..

You all have it wrong. This is not a religious, puritan or moral crusade it is a middle class feminist one."

If what you say is true, I guess "middle class feminists" are afraid their husbands, who they starve of sex and physical affection because of their own distorted view on the value of monogamous sex, want to prevent them enjoying even a little sex elsewhere before they die of overwork. Lovely and I bet they say to their husband "Of course I love you! - now pass your wallet over".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm on a 6 year drought, I don't have a sex life at all and I miss it. I would pay for hotels, trips and spoil a lady etc but I don't think I could ever pay for sex. Personally it would just make me feel like even more of a failure.

I do however resent not having the legal option and just see it as an over bearing nanny state government trying to impose morals on consenting adults..

You all have it wrong. This is not a religious, puritan or moral crusade it is a middle class feminist one.

If what you say is true, I guess "middle class feminists" are afraid their husbands, who they starve of sex and physical affection because of their own distorted view on the value of monogamous sex, want to prevent them enjoying even a little sex elsewhere before they die of overwork. Lovely and I bet they say to their husband "Of course I love you! - now pass your wallet over". "

Ha ha, sex is power, sex is power...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

wouldn't this be in breach of European Free Trade regulations if the person you were paying legally for sex was within the EU ;o)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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I sometimes wonder how many choose prostitution and how many genuinely have no choice or think they have no choice. The woman in the sex shop window in Amsterdam, sat eating her dinner off her knee as people gaze in; how did her life get her there? I grant you she is a very different proposition to underage kids in the hands of controlling criminals. Even so, how much genuine choice is involved in either case?

That's a bit of a relative question. I didn't become a medical secretary by first choice it sort of happened. I'd much rather have become a different professional. Same applies to many escorts - may not be their "dream" job but it pays the bills and so it happens. She had the option to take something else up, like working in a store or be a cleaner, but didn't want it for a variety of reasons. It was an informed choice. That's different from the sex trafficked. "

Many women do it through choice, it depends where you look

In my experience avoid Street walkers and foreign women they are usually working for somebody else

I work in the sex trade so know many other women who do

I also work full time as a district nurse, I don't sell my body because I have to I do it purely through choice, if I stopped tomorrow my bills would still get paid I earn a good salary from my day job

I do it because I enjoy it, i only work clubs, I don't do private meets, I know lots of other women who also enjoy doing it and many who don't

A lot of womans attitude I know is why work a 40 hour week when I can make as much in one afternoon, its easy money that's why a lot do it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Laughable PC rubbish from useless MPs who have wilfully ignored sex crime-related pleas for help from girls in our care homes for the past two decades and who now fancy themselves as the world's sex policemen!?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Look up Toni Mac's TEDx talk.

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By *otgirl32Woman
over a year ago

Ashton Under Lyne


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I sometimes wonder how many choose prostitution and how many genuinely have no choice or think they have no choice. The woman in the sex shop window in Amsterdam, sat eating her dinner off her knee as people gaze in; how did her life get her there? I grant you she is a very different proposition to underage kids in the hands of controlling criminals. Even so, how much genuine choice is involved in either case?

That's a bit of a relative question. I didn't become a medical secretary by first choice it sort of happened. I'd much rather have become a different professional. Same applies to many escorts - may not be their "dream" job but it pays the bills and so it happens. She had the option to take something else up, like working in a store or be a cleaner, but didn't want it for a variety of reasons. It was an informed choice. That's different from the sex trafficked.

Many women do it through choice, it depends where you look

In my experience avoid Street walkers and foreign women they are usually working for somebody else

I work in the sex trade so know many other women who do

I also work full time as a district nurse, I don't sell my body because I have to I do it purely through choice, if I stopped tomorrow my bills would still get paid I earn a good salary from my day job

I do it because I enjoy it, i only work clubs, I don't do private meets, I know lots of other women who also enjoy doing it and many who don't

A lot of womans attitude I know is why work a 40 hour week when I can make as much in one afternoon, its easy money that's why a lot do it "

That's exactly right.

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By *S RachaelTV/TS
over a year ago

Lowestoft


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I sometimes wonder how many choose prostitution and how many genuinely have no choice or think they have no choice. The woman in the sex shop window in Amsterdam, sat eating her dinner off her knee as people gaze in; how did her life get her there? I grant you she is a very different proposition to underage kids in the hands of controlling criminals. Even so, how much genuine choice is involved in either case?

That's a bit of a relative question. I didn't become a medical secretary by first choice it sort of happened. I'd much rather have become a different professional. Same applies to many escorts - may not be their "dream" job but it pays the bills and so it happens. She had the option to take something else up, like working in a store or be a cleaner, but didn't want it for a variety of reasons. It was an informed choice. That's different from the sex trafficked.

Many women do it through choice, it depends where you look

In my experience avoid Street walkers and foreign women they are usually working for somebody else

I work in the sex trade so know many other women who do

I also work full time as a district nurse, I don't sell my body because I have to I do it purely through choice, if I stopped tomorrow my bills would still get paid I earn a good salary from my day job

I do it because I enjoy it, i only work clubs, I don't do private meets, I know lots of other women who also enjoy doing it and many who don't

A lot of womans attitude I know is why work a 40 hour week when I can make as much in one afternoon, its easy money that's why a lot do it

That's exactly right."

But they're not saying you can't continue providing sexual services. It is only the man who runs the risk of being criminalised. He will have to decide whether the risk is worth running. BBut bear in mind that the state are securing wide ranging powers to control what they call "money laundering".

We are sleep walking into a period of control precedented only by wartime and the 17th century. The iniquity of the adage "if you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about" will come to mean more and more. When we finally reach a cashfree society there will be nothing in your spending that will be private.

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over a year ago


"not content with making it illegal to pay for sex in Northern ireland mps now want to make this uk wide and as with norway make it an offence for a uk citizen to pay for sex anywhere in the world thoughts ?"
I hate everything that's to do with taking away a person's basic human right to chose but porn is taking over so can see why they would want it

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By *S RachaelTV/TS
over a year ago

Lowestoft


"not content with making it illegal to pay for sex in Northern ireland mps now want to make this uk wide and as with norway make it an offence for a uk citizen to pay for sex anywhere in the world thoughts ? I hate everything that's to do with taking away a person's basic human right to chose but porn is taking over so can see why they would want it "

The porn industry has all the signs of a classic pyramid/Ponzi/inbreeding scheme. Nobody is paying - except one or two muppets, all the providers are making money by links to each other providers' sites and advertising. The business model will be ultimately prove unsustainable and there will be either a collapse or a tightening of paid membership.

By the way, on the adultwork site in Northern Ireland there are 99 female and 78 male profiles of people offering sex for money and there are reviews of their performance....which seems a risky practice.

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over a year ago


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BBut bear in mind that the state are securing wide ranging powers to control what they call "money laundering".

We are sleep walking into a period of control precedented only by wartime and the 17th century. The iniquity of the adage "if you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about" will come to mean more and more. When we finally reach a cashfree society there will be nothing in your spending that will be private."

No, we'll just go full circle back to bartering systems!! Neither cash, nor money, are essential for the functioning of an economy.

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By *S RachaelTV/TS
over a year ago

Lowestoft


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BBut bear in mind that the state are securing wide ranging powers to control what they call "money laundering".

We are sleep walking into a period of control precedented only by wartime and the 17th century. The iniquity of the adage "if you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about" will come to mean more and more. When we finally reach a cashfree society there will be nothing in your spending that will be private.

No, we'll just go full circle back to bartering systems!! Neither cash, nor money, are essential for the functioning of an economy. "

lol, wonder what I can offer a girl for services...return the favour? give her a turkey for christmas?..

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over a year ago

I think it's reasonable that if you're British and you break our laws it's right you're prosecuted regardless of where you broke them.

Previously I'd question the thing about whether paying for sex should be illegal, but the more I read/watch stuff it seems that women are never really in control in those situations. Even when it seems they are it most often turns out they're either being exploited or end up seriously messed up.

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By *S RachaelTV/TS
over a year ago

Lowestoft


"I think it's reasonable that if you're British and you break our laws it's right you're prosecuted regardless of where you broke them.

Previously I'd question the thing about whether paying for sex should be illegal, but the more I read/watch stuff it seems that women are never really in control in those situations. Even when it seems they are it most often turns out they're either being exploited or end up seriously messed up."

so what are you doing here? are you here to exploit and control the weaker people here. Who exploits whom? Seems to me it is the weakness of men that is being exploited.

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over a year ago


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BBut bear in mind that the state are securing wide ranging powers to control what they call "money laundering".

We are sleep walking into a period of control precedented only by wartime and the 17th century. The iniquity of the adage "if you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about" will come to mean more and more. When we finally reach a cashfree society there will be nothing in your spending that will be private.

No, we'll just go full circle back to bartering systems!! Neither cash, nor money, are essential for the functioning of an economy.

lol, wonder what I can offer a girl for services...return the favour? give her a turkey for christmas?.. "

Cigarettes, gold, diamonds and alcohol usually make good currency due to their high value to weight ratio...

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over a year ago


"so what are you doing here? are you here to exploit and control the weaker people here."

No. And anybody who is, is a fuckwit.

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over a year ago


"I think it's reasonable that if you're British and you break our laws it's right you're prosecuted regardless of where you broke them.

"

+++++

So if I'm in Germany on an Autobahn doing 150mph then according to that logic I should have the book thrown at me

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By *anillanomoreCouple
over a year ago

Chichester


"not content with making it illegal to pay for sex in Northern ireland mps now want to make this uk wide and as with norway make it an offence for a uk citizen to pay for sex anywhere in the world thoughts ?

Legal principles are getting turned on their head . Jurisdiction ???

The saville thing was the biggest recent example. Just mad. Or the guys being charged with a 'crime ' from 40 years ago.

But get the mob behind you and Can do anything .

Like with the footballer case - let's remove the anonymity in sex cases. Some attention grabbing drama queen - gets to drag him into court with anonymous accusations.

Also So many people want to stick their nose into your business- amazing .

Control freaks and prissy moralists everywhere "

Well aren't you a charmer. Defending two paedos in one post.

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over a year ago

It is going to be an interesting case in front of a bunch of German judges at the European Court if Human Rights.

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over a year ago


"not content with making it illegal to pay for sex in Northern ireland mps now want to make this uk wide and as with norway make it an offence for a uk citizen to pay for sex anywhere in the world thoughts ?

Legal principles are getting turned on their head . Jurisdiction ???

The saville thing was the biggest recent example. Just mad. Or the guys being charged with a 'crime ' from 40 years ago.

But get the mob behind you and Can do anything .

Like with the footballer case - let's remove the anonymity in sex cases. Some attention grabbing drama queen - gets to drag him into court with anonymous accusations.

Also So many people want to stick their nose into your business- amazing .

Control freaks and prissy moralists everywhere

Well aren't you a charmer. Defending two paedos in one post. "

Or maybe you should work on your English and arithmetic skills .

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