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"Just catching up with question time and nigel Farage is smashing it out the park. Other than the fact that I disagree with everything he says, I think he's a great politician! " We said more or less the same thing. | |||
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"Just catching up with question time and nigel Farage is smashing it out the park. Other than the fact that I disagree with everything he says, I think he's a great politician! We said more or less the same thing." It's frustrating because I really want to like him! He actually has real work experience, he speaks very well and he absolutely schooled Carwyn Jones. But if you think trade negotiation with China is difficult in the EU, it's only going to get worse out of it! | |||
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"Oh gosh, idiotic statement from the audience - 'our public services can't cope with more immigration'. Did you ever hear a business that complained about too many pesky customers? If immigrants pays taxes (and the overwhelming majority do) then taxes fund public services!" Immigrants pay taxes, and have built Britain.... | |||
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"Just catching up with question time and nigel Farage is smashing it out the park. Other than the fact that I disagree with everything he says, I think he's a great politician! " I sort off like him to. Shame he talks such bollocks really. | |||
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"Oh gosh, idiotic statement from the audience - 'our public services can't cope with more immigration'. Did you ever hear a business that complained about too many pesky customers? If immigrants pays taxes (and the overwhelming majority do) then taxes fund public services! Immigrants pay taxes, and have built Britain.... " Certainly contribute more than the wealthy tax dodging elite  | |||
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"Just catching up with question time and nigel Farage is smashing it out the park. Other than the fact that I disagree with everything he says, I think he's a great politician! I sort off like him to. Shame he talks such bollocks really." Just for "balance"...I can't abide him, even if I didn't abhor his politics, he still sounds like a sanctimonious cunt to me. | |||
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"Just catching up with question time and nigel Farage is smashing it out the park. Other than the fact that I disagree with everything he says, I think he's a great politician! We said more or less the same thing. It's frustrating because I really want to like him! He actually has real work experience, he speaks very well and he absolutely schooled Carwyn Jones. But if you think trade negotiation with China is difficult in the EU, it's only going to get worse out of it! " Work experience you say...    | |||
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"Oh gosh, idiotic statement from the audience - 'our public services can't cope with more immigration'. Did you ever hear a business that complained about too many pesky customers? If immigrants pays taxes (and the overwhelming majority do) then taxes fund public services! Immigrants pay taxes, and have built Britain.... " You don't have to over state the case to make it. They make a useful and disproportionately large contribution but, at between 2 to 6 million, depending how you count them, I really don't think they can take all the credit for building this country. | |||
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"Oh gosh, idiotic statement from the audience - 'our public services can't cope with more immigration'. Did you ever hear a business that complained about too many pesky customers? If immigrants pays taxes (and the overwhelming majority do) then taxes fund public services! Immigrants pay taxes, and have built Britain.... You don't have to over state the case to make it. They make a useful and disproportionately large contribution but, at between 2 to 6 million, depending how you count them, I really don't think they can take all the credit for building this country." I reckon there's a few more than that in previous generations. | |||
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"Oh gosh, idiotic statement from the audience - 'our public services can't cope with more immigration'. Did you ever hear a business that complained about too many pesky customers? If immigrants pays taxes (and the overwhelming majority do) then taxes fund public services! Immigrants pay taxes, and have built Britain.... You don't have to over state the case to make it. They make a useful and disproportionately large contribution but, at between 2 to 6 million, depending how you count them, I really don't think they can take all the credit for building this country." Vikings and saxons my friend! | |||
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"Oh gosh, idiotic statement from the audience - 'our public services can't cope with more immigration'. Did you ever hear a business that complained about too many pesky customers? If immigrants pays taxes (and the overwhelming majority do) then taxes fund public services! Immigrants pay taxes, and have built Britain.... You don't have to over state the case to make it. They make a useful and disproportionately large contribution but, at between 2 to 6 million, depending how you count them, I really don't think they can take all the credit for building this country. I reckon there's a few more than that in previous generations." Quite. Didn't they used to refer to WIMPEY as "We import more paddies every year?" | |||
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"and the French.." Well Normans, they turned up and killed fucking everyone! At least the Syrians aren't doing that!  | |||
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fair few that we shipped over to the Carribean who made their way over to us too.. | |||
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"Oh gosh, idiotic statement from the audience - 'our public services can't cope with more immigration'. Did you ever hear a business that complained about too many pesky customers? If immigrants pays taxes (and the overwhelming majority do) then taxes fund public services! Immigrants pay taxes, and have built Britain.... You don't have to over state the case to make it. They make a useful and disproportionately large contribution but, at between 2 to 6 million, depending how you count them, I really don't think they can take all the credit for building this country. I reckon there's a few more than that in previous generations. Quite. Didn't they used to refer to WIMPEY as "We import more paddies every year?"" Yes they did | |||
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"Just catching up with question time and nigel Farage is smashing it out the park. Other than the fact that I disagree with everything he says, I think he's a great politician! We said more or less the same thing. It's frustrating because I really want to like him! He actually has real work experience, he speaks very well and he absolutely schooled Carwyn Jones. But if you think trade negotiation with China is difficult in the EU, it's only going to get worse out of it! " why? If we were not in europe we could have blocked imports of their steel like what the usa did. Farage is right! Also getting out of europe we can avoid this ttp deal | |||
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"Just catching up with question time and nigel Farage is smashing it out the park. Other than the fact that I disagree with everything he says, I think he's a great politician! We said more or less the same thing. It's frustrating because I really want to like him! He actually has real work experience, he speaks very well and he absolutely schooled Carwyn Jones. But if you think trade negotiation with China is difficult in the EU, it's only going to get worse out of it! " Farage is the best communicator in British politics because he talks in a language the common working class understands. He schools every politician he comes up against, remember the televised EU debates he had with Nick Clegg a couple of years ago, and all the post debate polls put Farage as the clear winner. He has also had very good consistent appearances on Question Time. | |||
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"Just catching up with question time and nigel Farage is smashing it out the park. Other than the fact that I disagree with everything he says, I think he's a great politician! We said more or less the same thing. It's frustrating because I really want to like him! He actually has real work experience, he speaks very well and he absolutely schooled Carwyn Jones. But if you think trade negotiation with China is difficult in the EU, it's only going to get worse out of it! Farage is the best communicator in British politics because he talks in a language the common working class understands. He schools every politician he comes up against, remember the televised EU debates he had with Nick Clegg a couple of years ago, and all the post debate polls put Farage as the clear winner. He has also had very good consistent appearances on Question Time. " I don't agree with his words but credit where it's due, you are correct. He had a good showing on question time, very good really. | |||
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"Just catching up with question time and nigel Farage is smashing it out the park. Other than the fact that I disagree with everything he says, I think he's a great politician! We said more or less the same thing. It's frustrating because I really want to like him! He actually has real work experience, he speaks very well and he absolutely schooled Carwyn Jones. But if you think trade negotiation with China is difficult in the EU, it's only going to get worse out of it! why? If we were not in europe we could have blocked imports of their steel like what the usa did. Farage is right! Also getting out of europe we can avoid this ttp deal " Yes you could block Chinese steel but what do you think they would do in return? The Chinese market is already more than double the size of Britain and it's been growing faster than ours for 40 years now (i.e it's only getting bigger). You start chucking around tariffs and they retaliate with tariffs on our goods, guess who'll come off worse? | |||
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"Being out of europe doesn't mean we can't trade with other countries.. We can negotiate our own deals. Not go with what brussels says.. " There are no guarantees we will be able to negotiate good deals. The U.S. has already said they're not interesed in a seperate free trade deal with us. That means trade with the U.S. immediately becomes harder. | |||
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"He's charismatic and just goes full force at what he says, got to respect that, even if his policys and beliefs suck. When he's done interviews before and been proven to be wrong about something he generally just admits it and moves on, got to give him credit for that unlike some of the others who will never admit when they are wrong." Maybe he'll lose the referendum and come over to the conservatives with his tail between his legs... I'd just love a prime minister who had actually got more years experience in a real job that I have. The last thing we need is another person spewing ideas that came out of a PPE degree from Oxford. | |||
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"He's charismatic and just goes full force at what he says, got to respect that, even if his policys and beliefs suck. When he's done interviews before and been proven to be wrong about something he generally just admits it and moves on, got to give him credit for that unlike some of the others who will never admit when they are wrong." and when he promised to resign that's exactly what he did.. ..oh  | |||
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"Ttp?" trans atlantic trade partnership. Governments sign a deal with big business where governments can be fined by them if they dont get their own way. The details btw are still secret. Taxpayers will loose out if govts. Have to pay fines | |||
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"Being out of europe doesn't mean we can't trade with other countries.. We can negotiate our own deals. Not go with what brussels says.. There are no guarantees we will be able to negotiate good deals. The U.S. has already said they're not interesed in a seperate free trade deal with us. That means trade with the U.S. immediately becomes harder." Real negotiation can only happen between parties of equal power. BAE systems got absolutely fucked over by Uncle Sam. When our British legal system ruled in favour of BAE, the US just said "well if you don't pay us an out of court settlement then you'll be barred from winning any new contracts here". If you want out you need to start thinking about whether you'd rather suck Chinese dick of lick American ass... | |||
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"Ttp? trans atlantic trade partnership. Governments sign a deal with big business where governments can be fined by them if they dont get their own way. The details btw are still secret. Taxpayers will loose out if govts. Have to pay fines " Happens already. The home office had to pay Raytheon £150m semi recently. Basically, the government is a nightmare customer for IT projects so this kind of thing is already common. I'm not sure what's new here? | |||
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"He's charismatic and just goes full force at what he says, got to respect that, even if his policys and beliefs suck. When he's done interviews before and been proven to be wrong about something he generally just admits it and moves on, got to give him credit for that unlike some of the others who will never admit when they are wrong. and when he promised to resign that's exactly what he did.. ..oh "To be fair to him he apparently "did and they asked him back" ? | |||
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"He's charismatic and just goes full force at what he says, got to respect that, even if his policys and beliefs suck. When he's done interviews before and been proven to be wrong about something he generally just admits it and moves on, got to give him credit for that unlike some of the others who will never admit when they are wrong. and when he promised to resign that's exactly what he did.. ..oh
To be fair to him he apparently "did and they asked him back" ? "Sort of like the opposite of David Brent in the office then | |||
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"To be fair to him he apparently "did and they asked him back" ? " quelle surprise | |||
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"I can't be arsed arguing. Every single debate about immigration goes back to 1000 year old... Oh the celts, no the Vikings no the Romans.. Fuck off, they had slavery and plagues and race discrimination and sexual discrimination and burning witches.... Hello the world's moved on, were not in the middle ages anymore with a population of 1 million... There's nearly 70 million, we live on a small island in the middle of fucking nowhere, there's a limit regardless of your morality, there's a fucking limit on how many people live here!. Sure the paddy's built the canals the Romans built the roads... Who gives a fuck that was hundreds of years ago!.. Tony Blair once famously said education education education What he really should have said was infrastructure infrastructure infrastructure... Hospitals full? Schools full? Houses full? Roads full? Energy grid at 97% capacity, sewers, water, drainage, railways... Sooner or later somebody's gonna have to fork out mega mega wonga for the extra capacity needed to go from 60 million to the projected 100 million!. Or face the fact that your infrastructure will collapse over a decade... All this fuss over farage bring a racist... He wants to let in more Indians(brown) than polish(white)... Helloooo that's not racism, he's a fucking wealthy fuckwit who's wishes to screw the working class more than the current shower of shit!.. Workers rights! Don't make me fucking laugh, labour smashed more rights in power than the Tories ever could because ideological perceptions just can't be wrong?. Personally I don't worry about it because regardless of what some tit on here tells you with various facts and figures or some tit on the tv.... It ain't gonna work, it's not sustainable, never has been, never will be... That's capitalism for yer" Oh please. Since when is there a finite quantity of infrastructure? It doesn't come from fairies you know, it comes from taxes! More tax payers = more infrastructure. Only government agencies could complain about having too many customers. | |||
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"I can't be arsed arguing. Every single debate about immigration goes back to 1000 year old... Oh the celts, no the Vikings no the Romans.. Fuck off, they had slavery and plagues and race discrimination and sexual discrimination and burning witches.... Hello the world's moved on, were not in the middle ages anymore with a population of 1 million... There's nearly 70 million, we live on a small island in the middle of fucking nowhere, there's a limit regardless of your morality, there's a fucking limit on how many people live here!. Sure the paddy's built the canals the Romans built the roads... Who gives a fuck that was hundreds of years ago!.. Tony Blair once famously said education education education What he really should have said was infrastructure infrastructure infrastructure... Hospitals full? Schools full? Houses full? Roads full? Energy grid at 97% capacity, sewers, water, drainage, railways... Sooner or later somebody's gonna have to fork out mega mega wonga for the extra capacity needed to go from 60 million to the projected 100 million!. Or face the fact that your infrastructure will collapse over a decade... All this fuss over farage bring a racist... He wants to let in more Indians(brown) than polish(white)... Helloooo that's not racism, he's a fucking wealthy fuckwit who's wishes to screw the working class more than the current shower of shit!.. Workers rights! Don't make me fucking laugh, labour smashed more rights in power than the Tories ever could because ideological perceptions just can't be wrong?. Personally I don't worry about it because regardless of what some tit on here tells you with various facts and figures or some tit on the tv.... It ain't gonna work, it's not sustainable, never has been, never will be... That's capitalism for yer" Every time I see you churn this lot out, I have to wonder if Private Fraser from dad's army has dropped in. "We're doomed, I tell you, we're doomed" | |||
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"Oh gosh, idiotic statement from the audience - 'our public services can't cope with more immigration'. Did you ever hear a business that complained about too many pesky customers? If immigrants pays taxes (and the overwhelming majority do) then taxes fund public services! Immigrants pay taxes, and have built Britain.... Certainly contribute more than the wealthy tax dodging elite "Actually factually incorrect. | |||
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"Oh gosh, idiotic statement from the audience - 'our public services can't cope with more immigration'. Did you ever hear a business that complained about too many pesky customers? If immigrants pays taxes (and the overwhelming majority do) then taxes fund public services! Immigrants pay taxes, and have built Britain.... You don't have to over state the case to make it. They make a useful and disproportionately large contribution but, at between 2 to 6 million, depending how you count them, I really don't think they can take all the credit for building this country. Vikings and saxons my friend!" Well if you go back far enough we're all dependents from African immigrants but for my definition an immigrant is someone who wasn't born here and neither were their parents. | |||
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"Just catching up with question time and nigel Farage is smashing it out the park. Other than the fact that I disagree with everything he says, I think he's a great politician! We said more or less the same thing. It's frustrating because I really want to like him! He actually has real work experience, he speaks very well and he absolutely schooled Carwyn Jones. But if you think trade negotiation with China is difficult in the EU, it's only going to get worse out of it! why? If we were not in europe we could have blocked imports of their steel like what the usa did. Farage is right! Also getting out of europe we can avoid this ttp deal " TTIP will still apply if we're part of EFTA, which is what UKIP and those that say we should leave mostly claim they want. But anyhow, TTIP is a good deal for the UK, EU and the US. Why would not being part of what would be the biggest free trade organisation spanning the most wealthy parts of the world (Europe and North America) be a good thing? | |||
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"Being out of europe doesn't mean we can't trade with other countries.. We can negotiate our own deals. Not go with what brussels says.. " No we won't be able to, in fact it's more than possible that some of the special exemptions and trade agreements we currently have with the Commonwealth (such as lamb and butter from New Zealand) could be lost when we attempt to renegotiate our reentry into EFTA. | |||
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"I can't be arsed arguing. Every single debate about immigration goes back to 1000 year old... Oh the celts, no the Vikings no the Romans.. Fuck off, they had slavery and plagues and race discrimination and sexual discrimination and burning witches.... Hello the world's moved on, were not in the middle ages anymore with a population of 1 million... There's nearly 70 million, we live on a small island in the middle of fucking nowhere, there's a limit regardless of your morality, there's a fucking limit on how many people live here!. Sure the paddy's built the canals the Romans built the roads... Who gives a fuck that was hundreds of years ago!.. Tony Blair once famously said education education education What he really should have said was infrastructure infrastructure infrastructure... Hospitals full? Schools full? Houses full? Roads full? Energy grid at 97% capacity, sewers, water, drainage, railways... Sooner or later somebody's gonna have to fork out mega mega wonga for the extra capacity needed to go from 60 million to the projected 100 million!. Or face the fact that your infrastructure will collapse over a decade... All this fuss over farage bring a racist... He wants to let in more Indians(brown) than polish(white)... Helloooo that's not racism, he's a fucking wealthy fuckwit who's wishes to screw the working class more than the current shower of shit!.. Workers rights! Don't make me fucking laugh, labour smashed more rights in power than the Tories ever could because ideological perceptions just can't be wrong?. Personally I don't worry about it because regardless of what some tit on here tells you with various facts and figures or some tit on the tv.... It ain't gonna work, it's not sustainable, never has been, never will be... That's capitalism for yer" Wow, Very nicely put. Unrestricted immigration only benefits the wealthy. Driving down standards , pay, opportunities.. Whatever naively British people are ethnically and however many stands comprise together to make that weave.. They've struggled long and fought many hard won battles to build their society and way of life. If they want to preserve facets of it and protect a way of life.. They should be able to without stigma. The proponents of unlimited immigration are usually well to do living in a leafy. waspy ethnicallly homogeneous suburb.. Far removed from the realities. It's a complicated issue that warrents much more of a nuanced approach than the present deeply toxic unconstructive alienating, extreme polemic "let them all in' or " send them all home" arguments. Farage is the byproduct of the political establishment neglecting an issue and dropping the ball horribly.. He's not credible but his views mirror many ordinary people, perhaps. | |||
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"Ttp? trans atlantic trade partnership. Governments sign a deal with big business where governments can be fined by them if they dont get their own way. The details btw are still secret. Taxpayers will loose out if govts. Have to pay fines " That's simply not true. TTIP (Transatlantic Trade & Investment Partnership) would simpw give American companies the same rights as European companies currently have to sue governments for breach of contract. It would also give European companies the right, as American companies currently have, to sue the US government for breach of contract. | |||
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"Oh gosh, idiotic statement from the audience - 'our public services can't cope with more immigration'. Did you ever hear a business that complained about too many pesky customers? If immigrants pays taxes (and the overwhelming majority do) then taxes fund public services!" The problem is that those taxes aren't being used in any way to improve the infrastructure and support that the rapid increase in population warrants (public transport, health, education)- if it were, we may well see that net migration at the rate it has been in recent years would actually cost more than it contributes in taxes. And hasn't the income tax revenue per capita actually fallen in real terms over the last decade? | |||
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"I agree that Farage often does well when up against other politicians. If you look at UKIP and what they really say however, the idea that they are for the working class is a sick joke. " And which party is 'for' the working class? | |||
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"Oh gosh, idiotic statement from the audience - 'our public services can't cope with more immigration'. Did you ever hear a business that complained about too many pesky customers? If immigrants pays taxes (and the overwhelming majority do) then taxes fund public services!" The issue around public services isn't around if they pay but how much. So much immigration is low skilled Labour which creates a double effect. Low skill jobs are not taken by other unemployed here (have worked fir the DWP so I know it isn't that straight forward but would take an age to cover everything but I hope you get the gist of it) and 2 the level of tax they pay means they are a bet drain on services when you total up the cost of nhs, schools etc What we need is high skilled immigration | |||
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"Oh gosh, idiotic statement from the audience - 'our public services can't cope with more immigration'. Did you ever hear a business that complained about too many pesky customers? If immigrants pays taxes (and the overwhelming majority do) then taxes fund public services! The issue around public services isn't around if they pay but how much. So much immigration is low skilled Labour which creates a double effect. Low skill jobs are not taken by other unemployed here " Simply not true. How much did unemployment rise 2004 - 2005 when the eastern European countries joined and got free movement to come here? Answer: not at all. | |||
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"Oh gosh, idiotic statement from the audience - 'our public services can't cope with more immigration'. Did you ever hear a business that complained about too many pesky customers? If immigrants pays taxes (and the overwhelming majority do) then taxes fund public services! The issue around public services isn't around if they pay but how much. So much immigration is low skilled Labour which creates a double effect. Low skill jobs are not taken by other unemployed here Simply not true. How much did unemployment rise 2004 - 2005 when the eastern European countries joined and got free movement to come here? Answer: not at all. " Of course not, it was an economic boom. Times are different now and that doesn't change the net cost if providing services point I was making | |||
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"I agree that Farage often does well when up against other politicians. If you look at UKIP and what they really say however, the idea that they are for the working class is a sick joke. And which party is 'for' the working class? " Depends what you mean. Trade unions fund labour and trade unions are generally looking out for the short term interests of their members, who tend to be working or middle class. In the long run they tend to make their members jobs uncompetitive and their members get laid off but at least it was good while it lasted. | |||
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"Oh gosh, idiotic statement from the audience - 'our public services can't cope with more immigration'. Did you ever hear a business that complained about too many pesky customers? If immigrants pays taxes (and the overwhelming majority do) then taxes fund public services! The problem is that those taxes aren't being used in any way to improve the infrastructure and support that the rapid increase in population warrants " Is that the fault of immigrants? It's not their fault we have short sighted governments (or voters?). We don't need to cut off our nose to spite our face. | |||
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"Oh gosh, idiotic statement from the audience - 'our public services can't cope with more immigration'. Did you ever hear a business that complained about too many pesky customers? If immigrants pays taxes (and the overwhelming majority do) then taxes fund public services! The issue around public services isn't around if they pay but how much. So much immigration is low skilled Labour which creates a double effect. Low skill jobs are not taken by other unemployed here Simply not true. How much did unemployment rise 2004 - 2005 when the eastern European countries joined and got free movement to come here? Answer: not at all. Of course not, it was an economic boom. Times are different now and that doesn't change the net cost if providing services point I was making" I haven't looked at the figures, you could be right about the net cost but at best that would apply to first generation immigrants. Second generation immigrants are well known for doing middle class jobs and I very much doubt they would have a negative net contribution. I don't believe for one minute that immigrants took British jobs. They do the jobs British people would rather take benefits than do. | |||
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"I agree that Farage often does well when up against other politicians. If you look at UKIP and what they really say however, the idea that they are for the working class is a sick joke. And which party is 'for' the working class? Depends what you mean. Trade unions fund labour and trade unions are generally looking out for the short term interests of their members, who tend to be working or middle class. In the long run they tend to make their members jobs uncompetitive and their members get laid off but at least it was good while it lasted. " So trade unions, and ergo labour, actually destroy jobs? So therefore they do not look out for the working class. As, for that matter, neither do any of the others. | |||
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"I agree that Farage often does well when up against other politicians. If you look at UKIP and what they really say however, the idea that they are for the working class is a sick joke. And which party is 'for' the working class? Depends what you mean. Trade unions fund labour and trade unions are generally looking out for the short term interests of their members, who tend to be working or middle class. In the long run they tend to make their members jobs uncompetitive and their members get laid off but at least it was good while it lasted. So trade unions, and ergo labour, actually destroy jobs? So therefore they do not look out for the working class. As, for that matter, neither do any of the others. " Well they do in the short term 
Some linger on for a lot longer than others. Take the tube drivers for example, completely overpaid and constantly striking. But all they are really doing is making the business case for driverless trains increasingly attractive... | |||
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"I agree that Farage often does well when up against other politicians. If you look at UKIP and what they really say however, the idea that they are for the working class is a sick joke. And which party is 'for' the working class? Depends what you mean. Trade unions fund labour and trade unions are generally looking out for the short term interests of their members, who tend to be working or middle class. In the long run they tend to make their members jobs uncompetitive and their members get laid off but at least it was good while it lasted. " LOL Those terrible trade unions, negotiating decent conditions for their workers that cut the vast profits of the fat cat bosses. It's definitely them to blame for everything. After all, this country didn't become great by allowing toilet breaks. | |||
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"Just catching up with question time and nigel Farage is smashing it out the park. Other than the fact that I disagree with everything he says, I think he's a great politician! We said more or less the same thing. It's frustrating because I really want to like him! He actually has real work experience, he speaks very well and he absolutely schooled Carwyn Jones. But if you think trade negotiation with China is difficult in the EU, it's only going to get worse out of it! Farage is the best communicator in British politics because he talks in a language the common working class understands. He schools every politician he comes up against, remember the televised EU debates he had with Nick Clegg a couple of years ago, and all the post debate polls put Farage as the clear winner. He has also had very good consistent appearances on Question Time. " | |||
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"I agree that Farage often does well when up against other politicians. If you look at UKIP and what they really say however, the idea that they are for the working class is a sick joke. And which party is 'for' the working class? Depends what you mean. Trade unions fund labour and trade unions are generally looking out for the short term interests of their members, who tend to be working or middle class. In the long run they tend to make their members jobs uncompetitive and their members get laid off but at least it was good while it lasted. LOL Those terrible trade unions, negotiating decent conditions for their workers that cut the vast profits of the fat cat bosses. It's definitely them to blame for everything. After all, this country didn't become great by allowing toilet breaks." Funny that most trade union members work for organisations that aren't profit making at all then. I suppose we still need to rally against all those fat cat senior civil servants who screw workers... just because they can. | |||
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"I agree that Farage often does well when up against other politicians. If you look at UKIP and what they really say however, the idea that they are for the working class is a sick joke. And which party is 'for' the working class? Depends what you mean. Trade unions fund labour and trade unions are generally looking out for the short term interests of their members, who tend to be working or middle class. In the long run they tend to make their members jobs uncompetitive and their members get laid off but at least it was good while it lasted. LOL Those terrible trade unions, negotiating decent conditions for their workers that cut the vast profits of the fat cat bosses. It's definitely them to blame for everything. After all, this country didn't become great by allowing toilet breaks. Funny that most trade union members work for organisations that aren't profit making at all then. I suppose we still need to rally against all those fat cat senior civil servants who screw workers... just because they can. " do you have a problem with trade unionism? if you do, can you please explain clearly what the problem you have is because it's difficult to tell from your veiled comments | |||
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"I can't be arsed arguing. Every single debate about immigration goes back to 1000 year old... Oh the celts, no the Vikings no the Romans.. Fuck off, they had slavery and plagues and race discrimination and sexual discrimination and burning witches.... Hello the world's moved on, were not in the middle ages anymore with a population of 1 million... There's nearly 70 million, we live on a small island in the middle of fucking nowhere, there's a limit regardless of your morality, there's a fucking limit on how many people live here!. Sure the paddy's built the canals the Romans built the roads... Who gives a fuck that was hundreds of years ago!.. Tony Blair once famously said education education education What he really should have said was infrastructure infrastructure infrastructure... Hospitals full? Schools full? Houses full? Roads full? Energy grid at 97% capacity, sewers, water, drainage, railways... Sooner or later somebody's gonna have to fork out mega mega wonga for the extra capacity needed to go from 60 million to the projected 100 million!. Or face the fact that your infrastructure will collapse over a decade... All this fuss over farage bring a racist... He wants to let in more Indians(brown) than polish(white)... Helloooo that's not racism, he's a fucking wealthy fuckwit who's wishes to screw the working class more than the current shower of shit!.. Workers rights! Don't make me fucking laugh, labour smashed more rights in power than the Tories ever could because ideological perceptions just can't be wrong?. Personally I don't worry about it because regardless of what some tit on here tells you with various facts and figures or some tit on the tv.... It ain't gonna work, it's not sustainable, never has been, never will be... That's capitalism for yer Wow, Very nicely put. Unrestricted immigration only benefits the wealthy. Driving down standards , pay, opportunities.. Whatever naively British people are ethnically and however many stands comprise together to make that weave.. They've struggled long and fought many hard won battles to build their society and way of life. If they want to preserve facets of it and protect a way of life.. They should be able to without stigma. The proponents of unlimited immigration are usually well to do living in a leafy. waspy ethnicallly homogeneous suburb.. Far removed from the realities. It's a complicated issue that warrents much more of a nuanced approach than the present deeply toxic unconstructive alienating, extreme polemic "let them all in' or " send them all home" arguments. Farage is the byproduct of the political establishment neglecting an issue and dropping the ball horribly.. He's not credible but his views mirror many ordinary people, perhaps. " . It's not a coincidence that all the west(Canada,US, Europe, Australia) is having large scale immigration, it's whole purpose is to drive down wages!.... Australia wants more doctors and bricklayers to drive down current high wages because they're short of workers, were not short of workers but we still are doing the same... My point was people bang on about more housing constantly but look at what comes with housing.. More generating stations, sub stations, pylons, water pipes, more water means more reservoirs more sewerage works, then you need roads for the houses and all this paved over land means you get more surface water run off when you get a winter like this, you get more flooding!... Who's going to pay for all this extra stuff?.. You know what the difference is between first world and third world.. Infrastructure, what does any company want when coming to a country... Infrastructure. This idea that we(the west) can just expand forever is just well meaning nonsense, it's part of the problem of why the third world is third world... We steal their resources for expansion, their best workers (young people).. If China was to electrify their country to the same standard as ours... That would require nearly all the copper left in the world! Where does that leave Sudan or Eritrea?. And on one final note... According to the best scientific evidence we can burn about 1 trillion tonnes of carbon before that pushes over the 2 degree limit, I would suggest from reading what most experts are saying that the 1 trillion tonnes will be necessary to change our current infrastructure to one that uses no carbon.... Not expanding the one we currently have!!. We've(the world) got genuinely fucking massive problems coming in thirty years, were meant to be massively cutting carbon by 2030 that's just 14 years away!. Were worried about flying around Europe and whether we have to show a passport on a holiday!!! We should be taking about completely getting rid of airline travel by 2030 not encouraging it | |||
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"I can't be arsed arguing. Every single debate about immigration goes back to 1000 year old... Oh the celts, no the Vikings no the Romans.. Fuck off, they had slavery and plagues and race discrimination and sexual discrimination and burning witches.... Hello the world's moved on, were not in the middle ages anymore with a population of 1 million... There's nearly 70 million, we live on a small island in the middle of fucking nowhere, there's a limit regardless of your morality, there's a fucking limit on how many people live here!. Sure the paddy's built the canals the Romans built the roads... Who gives a fuck that was hundreds of years ago!.. Tony Blair once famously said education education education What he really should have said was infrastructure infrastructure infrastructure... Hospitals full? Schools full? Houses full? Roads full? Energy grid at 97% capacity, sewers, water, drainage, railways... Sooner or later somebody's gonna have to fork out mega mega wonga for the extra capacity needed to go from 60 million to the projected 100 million!. Or face the fact that your infrastructure will collapse over a decade... All this fuss over farage bring a racist... He wants to let in more Indians(brown) than polish(white)... Helloooo that's not racism, he's a fucking wealthy fuckwit who's wishes to screw the working class more than the current shower of shit!.. Workers rights! Don't make me fucking laugh, labour smashed more rights in power than the Tories ever could because ideological perceptions just can't be wrong?. Personally I don't worry about it because regardless of what some tit on here tells you with various facts and figures or some tit on the tv.... It ain't gonna work, it's not sustainable, never has been, never will be... That's capitalism for yer Wow, Very nicely put. Unrestricted immigration only benefits the wealthy. Driving down standards , pay, opportunities.. Whatever naively British people are ethnically and however many stands comprise together to make that weave.. They've struggled long and fought many hard won battles to build their society and way of life. If they want to preserve facets of it and protect a way of life.. They should be able to without stigma. The proponents of unlimited immigration are usually well to do living in a leafy. waspy ethnicallly homogeneous suburb.. Far removed from the realities. It's a complicated issue that warrents much more of a nuanced approach than the present deeply toxic unconstructive alienating, extreme polemic "let them all in' or " send them all home" arguments. Farage is the byproduct of the political establishment neglecting an issue and dropping the ball horribly.. He's not credible but his views mirror many ordinary people, perhaps. . It's not a coincidence that all the west(Canada,US, Europe, Australia) is having large scale immigration, it's whole purpose is to drive down wages!.... Australia wants more doctors and bricklayers to drive down current high wages because they're short of workers, were not short of workers but we still are doing the same... My point was people bang on about more housing constantly but look at what comes with housing.. More generating stations, sub stations, pylons, water pipes, more water means more reservoirs more sewerage works, then you need roads for the houses and all this paved over land means you get more surface water run off when you get a winter like this, you get more flooding!... Who's going to pay for all this extra stuff?.. You know what the difference is between first world and third world.. Infrastructure, what does any company want when coming to a country... Infrastructure. This idea that we(the west) can just expand forever is just well meaning nonsense, it's part of the problem of why the third world is third world... We steal their resources for expansion, their best workers (young people).. If China was to electrify their country to the same standard as ours... That would require nearly all the copper left in the world! Where does that leave Sudan or Eritrea?. And on one final note... According to the best scientific evidence we can burn about 1 trillion tonnes of carbon before that pushes over the 2 degree limit, I would suggest from reading what most experts are saying that the 1 trillion tonnes will be necessary to change our current infrastructure to one that uses no carbon.... Not expanding the one we currently have!!. We've(the world) got genuinely fucking massive problems coming in thirty years, were meant to be massively cutting carbon by 2030 that's just 14 years away!. Were worried about flying around Europe and whether we have to show a passport on a holiday!!! We should be taking about completely getting rid of airline travel by 2030 not encouraging it" Sounds like you'll be voting UKIP then | |||
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"I agree that Farage often does well when up against other politicians. If you look at UKIP and what they really say however, the idea that they are for the working class is a sick joke. And which party is 'for' the working class? Depends what you mean. Trade unions fund labour and trade unions are generally looking out for the short term interests of their members, who tend to be working or middle class. In the long run they tend to make their members jobs uncompetitive and their members get laid off but at least it was good while it lasted. LOL Those terrible trade unions, negotiating decent conditions for their workers that cut the vast profits of the fat cat bosses. It's definitely them to blame for everything. After all, this country didn't become great by allowing toilet breaks." Fat cat bosses, how much does Len McClusky earn I wonder? | |||
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"There's nothing wrong with voting ukip. Count your lucky stars that you're allowed to. But remember as Mark Twain said "If voting changed anything, they wouldn't let us do it"." I really think Mark Twain is overrated, have you ever tried reading Huckleberry Finn? I found it incredibly boring and wasn't slightly unsure whether the main character had some sort of learning difficulty. I couldn't finish it. | |||
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"There's nothing wrong with voting ukip. Count your lucky stars that you're allowed to. But remember as Mark Twain said "If voting changed anything, they wouldn't let us do it". I really think Mark Twain is overrated, have you ever tried reading Huckleberry Finn? I found it incredibly boring and wasn't slightly unsure whether the main character had some sort of learning difficulty. I couldn't finish it." So good that ken Livingstone stole his quote... | |||
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"I agree that Farage often does well when up against other politicians. If you look at UKIP and what they really say however, the idea that they are for the working class is a sick joke. And which party is 'for' the working class? Depends what you mean. Trade unions fund labour and trade unions are generally looking out for the short term interests of their members, who tend to be working or middle class. In the long run they tend to make their members jobs uncompetitive and their members get laid off but at least it was good while it lasted. LOL Those terrible trade unions, negotiating decent conditions for their workers that cut the vast profits of the fat cat bosses. It's definitely them to blame for everything. After all, this country didn't become great by allowing toilet breaks. Fat cat bosses, how much does Len McClusky earn I wonder? " About as much as David Cameron I'd guess. There's nothing quite like a champagne socialist. | |||
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"There's nothing wrong with voting ukip. Count your lucky stars that you're allowed to. But remember as Mark Twain said "If voting changed anything, they wouldn't let us do it". I really think Mark Twain is overrated, have you ever tried reading Huckleberry Finn? I found it incredibly boring and wasn't slightly unsure whether the main character had some sort of learning difficulty. I couldn't finish it. So good that ken Livingstone stole his quote..." Ken Livingstone, he's the one that's like Jeremy Corbyn but with terrorist friends. | |||
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" And on one final note... According to the best scientific evidence we can burn about 1 trillion tonnes of carbon before that pushes over the 2 degree limit, I would suggest from reading what most experts are saying that the 1 trillion tonnes will be necessary to change our current infrastructure to one that uses no carbon.... Not expanding the one we currently have!!. We've(the world) got genuinely fucking massive problems coming in thirty years, were meant to be massively cutting carbon by 2030 that's just 14 years away!. Were worried about flying around Europe and whether we have to show a passport on a holiday!!! We should be taking about completely getting rid of airline travel by 2030 not encouraging it Sounds like you'll be voting UKIP then " . Although being a fully paid up member of the green party, it pains me to say I wouldn't and haven't voted green in general elections for the last two, I actually wrote on both ones, none of the above!. No party has ever been honest about what climate change means or what the solutions entail!. Sure there'll bang on about new technologies, highly insulated buildings, more efficent vehicles... Have you ever noticed that there solutions involve buying and building more shit that slightly more efficent?.. Well whooppee do , you can actually run an old car for about 30 years before releasing the C02 from building the new one that saved you the gain!.. Knock down houses that are less efficent to rebuild ones that costs major major c02 trucks, quarries, raw products, windows, glass.... I mean sure this idea would have been great in 1974 but it's 2016 we've got about 40 years and were already half way through a carbon total and we keep building airports and fracking... This carbon HAS to stay in the ground, everyone knows this, the science is clear... Yet which party is telling you that!. Every few years we initiate 2 or 3 positive feedback loops that are self reinforcing ie they don't need human made c02 ... The 2 degree limit itself is a political one, the science said we shouldn't go above 1 but that was in 1974 and we've past 1 degree now, so it's 2 degrees and even by moderate excepted interpretation that's here by 2030!. So sure we can debate who gets in where without a passport or which third world disaster we save next because that's what you do when you don't have a solution to the problem we face... Oooo look over there, don't look here, we've got no answers, well no answers that you'll like. Stop buying shit, stop flying places, stop driving places, eat less, go vegetarian, repair stuff, keep clothing till it's fucked not just unfashionable, plant trees everywhere, limit people to one child and stop worrying about saving people... We need as many people dead as possible... Yep it's a great campaign slogan  | |||
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" And on one final note... According to the best scientific evidence we can burn about 1 trillion tonnes of carbon before that pushes over the 2 degree limit, I would suggest from reading what most experts are saying that the 1 trillion tonnes will be necessary to change our current infrastructure to one that uses no carbon.... Not expanding the one we currently have!!. We've(the world) got genuinely fucking massive problems coming in thirty years, were meant to be massively cutting carbon by 2030 that's just 14 years away!. Were worried about flying around Europe and whether we have to show a passport on a holiday!!! We should be taking about completely getting rid of airline travel by 2030 not encouraging it Sounds like you'll be voting UKIP then . Although being a fully paid up member of the green party, it pains me to say I wouldn't and haven't voted green in general elections for the last two, I actually wrote on both ones, none of the above!. No party has ever been honest about what climate change means or what the solutions entail!. Sure there'll bang on about new technologies, highly insulated buildings, more efficent vehicles... Have you ever noticed that there solutions involve buying and building more shit that slightly more efficent?.. Well whooppee do , you can actually run an old car for about 30 years before releasing the C02 from building the new one that saved you the gain!.. Knock down houses that are less efficent to rebuild ones that costs major major c02 trucks, quarries, raw products, windows, glass.... I mean sure this idea would have been great in 1974 but it's 2016 we've got about 40 years and were already half way through a carbon total and we keep building airports and fracking... This carbon HAS to stay in the ground, everyone knows this, the science is clear... Yet which party is telling you that!. Every few years we initiate 2 or 3 positive feedback loops that are self reinforcing ie they don't need human made c02 ... The 2 degree limit itself is a political one, the science said we shouldn't go above 1 but that was in 1974 and we've past 1 degree now, so it's 2 degrees and even by moderate excepted interpretation that's here by 2030!. So sure we can debate who gets in where without a passport or which third world disaster we save next because that's what you do when you don't have a solution to the problem we face... Oooo look over there, don't look here, we've got no answers, well no answers that you'll like. Stop buying shit, stop flying places, stop driving places, eat less, go vegetarian, repair stuff, keep clothing till it's fucked not just unfashionable, plant trees everywhere, limit people to one child and stop worrying about saving people... We need as many people dead as possible... Yep it's a great campaign slogan "Would you stand more chance of election if you vowed to increase spending on space exploration so we could find a new, unfucked planet to take all our green technology too? You know this one will die when the sun burns out anyway. | |||
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" And on one final note... According to the best scientific evidence we can burn about 1 trillion tonnes of carbon before that pushes over the 2 degree limit, I would suggest from reading what most experts are saying that the 1 trillion tonnes will be necessary to change our current infrastructure to one that uses no carbon.... Not expanding the one we currently have!!. We've(the world) got genuinely fucking massive problems coming in thirty years, were meant to be massively cutting carbon by 2030 that's just 14 years away!. Were worried about flying around Europe and whether we have to show a passport on a holiday!!! We should be taking about completely getting rid of airline travel by 2030 not encouraging it Sounds like you'll be voting UKIP then . Although being a fully paid up member of the green party, it pains me to say I wouldn't and haven't voted green in general elections for the last two, I actually wrote on both ones, none of the above!. No party has ever been honest about what climate change means or what the solutions entail!. Sure there'll bang on about new technologies, highly insulated buildings, more efficent vehicles... Have you ever noticed that there solutions involve buying and building more shit that slightly more efficent?.. Well whooppee do , you can actually run an old car for about 30 years before releasing the C02 from building the new one that saved you the gain!.. Knock down houses that are less efficent to rebuild ones that costs major major c02 trucks, quarries, raw products, windows, glass.... I mean sure this idea would have been great in 1974 but it's 2016 we've got about 40 years and were already half way through a carbon total and we keep building airports and fracking... This carbon HAS to stay in the ground, everyone knows this, the science is clear... Yet which party is telling you that!. Every few years we initiate 2 or 3 positive feedback loops that are self reinforcing ie they don't need human made c02 ... The 2 degree limit itself is a political one, the science said we shouldn't go above 1 but that was in 1974 and we've past 1 degree now, so it's 2 degrees and even by moderate excepted interpretation that's here by 2030!. So sure we can debate who gets in where without a passport or which third world disaster we save next because that's what you do when you don't have a solution to the problem we face... Oooo look over there, don't look here, we've got no answers, well no answers that you'll like. Stop buying shit, stop flying places, stop driving places, eat less, go vegetarian, repair stuff, keep clothing till it's fucked not just unfashionable, plant trees everywhere, limit people to one child and stop worrying about saving people... We need as many people dead as possible... Yep it's a great campaign slogan
Would you stand more chance of election if you vowed to increase spending on space exploration so we could find a new, unfucked planet to take all our green technology too?
You know this one will die when the sun burns out anyway.". Funnily enough the last 50 years of climate research has given us a good idea about what we need to do on Mars!  | |||
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