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By *nfamy OP   Man
over a year ago

Goole

He's great isn't he

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

His wife makes a decent canape apparently

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like the german guy on goggle box that says camerooon lol xx

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By *nfamy OP   Man
over a year ago

Goole

He's posh, proper and privileged what not to like!!!

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"He's posh, proper and privileged what not to like!!! "

If you like him that's great.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"He's great isn't he "

I like him

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Oh wait! Is this going to be that all posh and privileged people are bad?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He's great isn't he "

I wrote to him two weeks ago

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"Oh wait! Is this going to be that all posh and privileged people are bad?"

As if

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He's great isn't he

I wrote to him two weeks ago "

Did he block you?

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By *inkyKellyCDTV/TS
over a year ago

Coventry

Scum.

Basically.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I signed on this morning....my account said "you have one new wink". So, with excitement and baited breath I had a look.

Well wipe my arse with a rusty Brillo pad.....if it wasn't that bloody David Cameron again....gonna have to block him! I keep telling him I'm straight and not interested!

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By *helbeeCouple
over a year ago

Nuneaton

Cameron is a posh idiot educated at Eton ....One of the Bullington boys...

He has punished the poor sick disabled...an he likes fox hunting ...need i say any more

No I'm not a fan of Cameron an his nasty party

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He's great isn't he

I like him "

He's certainly better than the alternatives

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He's great isn't he

I wrote to him two weeks ago

Did he block you? "

No he sent me a wink then a friends request

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He's great isn't he

I like him

He's certainly better than the alternatives "

This is a sad situation.....but at the moment there are no alternatives!

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By *helbeeCouple
over a year ago

Nuneaton

Any body who likes David Cameron is not a friend of mine

Crushing the poor.sick..disabled. .now students. .can't stand the man an what he stands for an how he treats the poor...an people that are not rich is criminal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Cameron is a posh idiot educated at Eton ....One of the Bullington boys...

He has punished the poor sick disabled...an he likes fox hunting ...need i say any more

No I'm not a fan of Cameron an his nasty party

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Well said _helbee

Couldn't agree with you more!

G

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By *helbeeCouple
over a year ago

Nuneaton


"Cameron is a posh idiot educated at Eton ....One of the Bullington boys...

He has punished the poor sick disabled...an he likes fox hunting ...need i say any more

No I'm not a fan of Cameron an his nasty party

Well said _helbee

Couldn't agree with you more!

G"

Thanks babe's

Anyone who thinks being funny an thinks it's hilarious to have a joke about Cameron needs their heads testing

Tbh...Cameron is for the rich

If you don't fit in that group he will crush you believe me him an his nasty party

I feel very strongly about this subject ....he is nothing but a posh git

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He's a rich Tory cunt.

That is all

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By *helbeeCouple
over a year ago

Nuneaton


"He's a rich Tory cunt.

That is all "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Like all politicians for that matter.

They are like nappies they should be changed regularly because they are full of shite.

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By *nfamy OP   Man
over a year ago

Goole


"Any body who likes David Cameron is not a friend of mine

Crushing the poor.sick..disabled. .now students. .can't stand the man an what he stands for an how he treats the poor...an people that are not rich is criminal

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Totally agree he is a posh spunkbubble

His wife different matter

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By *helbeeCouple
over a year ago

Nuneaton


"Any body who likes David Cameron is not a friend of mine

Crushing the poor.sick..disabled. .now students. .can't stand the man an what he stands for an how he treats the poor...an people that are not rich is criminal

Totally agree he is a posh spunkbubble

His wife different matter "

She is conservative too

Anyone who is conservative I dislike who ever they are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've never met him in person.... even though he keeps asking....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's wonderful to see intelligent debate in the Lounge, as usual, without resorting to obscenities about individuals you've never met

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's wonderful to see intelligent debate in the Lounge, as usual, without resorting to obscenities about individuals you've never met "

I am glad I haven't the prick that he is I would floor him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Rob here. I'm a long long way from rich and privileged but I like Cameron. Reading through the comments I wonder how politically aware some of you are because it reads like a labour press release rather than actual events.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's wonderful to see intelligent debate in the Lounge, as usual, without resorting to obscenities about individuals you've never met

I am glad I haven't the prick that he is I would floor him."

Yeah but you'd look a bit silly if he floored you though......and he just might....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's wonderful to see intelligent debate in the Lounge, as usual, without resorting to obscenities about individuals you've never met

I am glad I haven't the prick that he is I would floor him.

Yeah but you'd look a bit silly if he floored you though......and he just might.... "

I very much doubt he would he has led such a privileged life and has no idea what the real world is. The decisions him and his peers making are crippling this once great nation. Can't stand any of them sickening set of hypocritical twats all claiming expenses and doing golden hand shake deals. It's astonishing how we are represented by the least amongst us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Rob here. I'm a long long way from rich and privileged but I like Cameron. Reading through the comments I wonder how politically aware some of you are because it reads like a labour press release rather than actual events."

To be fair I don't think the Labour party has ever called him a c*nt, at least not in public

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By *obbytupperMan
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley


"He's a rich Tory cunt.

That is all "

You've got to love unbiased assessments.

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By *bbitMan
over a year ago

Watford

Don't usually use the word cunt ,,, but he's a cunt of the highest order

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am far from rich but I voted conservative in the last 2 general elections, Labour party are joke and certainly haven't been for the people for a long time, that may change with corbyn in charge but he will never be prime minister

Looks like I have made some enemies on this thread, nice to see rational debate going on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's wonderful to see intelligent debate in the Lounge, as usual, without resorting to obscenities about individuals you've never met

I am glad I haven't the prick that he is I would floor him.

Yeah but you'd look a bit silly if he floored you though......and he just might....

I very much doubt he would he has led such a privileged life and has no idea what the real world is. The decisions him and his peers making are crippling this once great nation. Can't stand any of them sickening set of hypocritical twats all claiming expenses and doing golden hand shake deals. It's astonishing how we are represented by the least amongst us."

Just out of curiosity when you say once great nation ... what period in history are you referring too ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He's great isn't he "

He's an utter cunt.

F

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"Any body who likes David Cameron is not a friend of mine

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what devastating news for Conservative voters across the land....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Any body who likes David Cameron is not a friend of mine

what devastating news for Conservative voters across the land...."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Any body who likes David Cameron is not a friend of mine

what devastating news for Conservative voters across the land...."

I weep for the loss

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

David Cameron is an overprivaliged cunt. That's all I have to say

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Right so most peoples issue seems to be the fact that he is posh and has had a nice upbringing, why is that such and issue?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would call him a cunt but hes not deep or warm enough

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a thing for his misses

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be fair there's only two things I don't like about Cameron. Everything he says and everything he does.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Right so most peoples issue seems to be the fact that he is posh and has had a nice upbringing, why is that such and issue? "

I honestly don't hold that against him. Not his choice.

I object to his choices, notably his choice to represent a party that wants to extend and promote inequality, fear and hatred.

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

I'm not a fan. Cameron and our current government recently tried to redefine child poverty by scraping income-related measures in favour of other indicators. Thankfully, the move was blocked in the house of Lords. Hard to like a person when they try and pull stunts like that.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

He's a hate monger, a charlatan and a pig fucker.

That's all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Any body who likes David Cameron is not a friend of mine

Crushing the poor.sick..disabled. .now students. .can't stand the man an what he stands for an how he treats the poor...an people that are not rich is criminal

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The people who voted him in are c***s

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol


"He's great isn't he

I like him

He's certainly better than the alternatives "

Only if the alternatives are Boris Johnson and George Osborne.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"Any body who likes David Cameron is not a friend of mine

Crushing the poor.sick..disabled. .now students. .can't stand the man an what he stands for an how he treats the poor...an people that are not rich is criminal

The people who voted him in are c***s"

Cheers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He's a hate monger, a charlatan and a pig fucker.

That's all. "

It's not, there's more. Lots more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's wonderful to see intelligent debate in the Lounge, as usual, without resorting to obscenities about individuals you've never met "

Some clear champions of democracy here as well. There are only 3 parties that have ever won a general election. 1 of them is now defunct and the Tories are 1 of the remaining 2. So blanket hatred of Tories basically means that those people prefer a one party system, yeah they work out well...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Right so most peoples issue seems to be the fact that he is posh and has had a nice upbringing, why is that such and issue? "

Because they don't have any better ideas to deal with our debt crisis so they just want to hurl abuse instead of debate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Any body who likes David Cameron is not a friend of mine

Crushing the poor.sick..disabled. .now students. .can't stand the man an what he stands for an how he treats the poor...an people that are not rich is criminal

The people who voted him in are c***s"

I am not rich in fact far from, but I am a cunt so I guess that fits, were people really expected to vote for Miliband? The guy was about as electable as farage, until Labour go back to their routes I will never vote for them, they are just a copy of the conservatives right now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ive got no problem with rich people what so ever even tho I come from a average to poor family (we never had much but never went cold or hungry).

What I dont like is the way he trats the lower class people with complete contenpt and lick arses his pals in Europe.

Problem we have is our only alternative is a group of people with a shadow leader who hate the normal white working class man or women in the street

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So far from this thread I have gleamed.

Posh = Bad

Rich = Bad

Privileged = Bad

Educated = Bad.

Right who wants to meet a poor, thick ,underprivileged pleb ?

I expect my inbox to be full by lunchtime.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol


"were people really expected to vote for Miliband? The guy was about as electable as farage, until Labour go back to their routes I will never vote for them, they are just a copy of the conservatives right now"

Err...have you heard of Jeremy Corbyn?

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


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Problem we have is our only alternative is a group of people with a shadow leader who hate the normal white working class man or women in the street"

I must have missed the news the day a political party claimed their hatred of whites.

Anyone got a link?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's wonderful to see intelligent debate in the Lounge, as usual, without resorting to obscenities about individuals you've never met

Some clear champions of democracy here as well. There are only 3 parties that have ever won a general election. 1 of them is now defunct and the Tories are 1 of the remaining 2. So blanket hatred of Tories basically means that those people prefer a one party system, yeah they work out well..."

Sorry, but that's just bollocks. I hate what the Tories stand for, I don't prefer a one party system. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hes a shiny faced public schoolboy twat.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Problem we have is our only alternative is a group of people with a shadow leader who hate the normal white working class man or women in the street

I must have missed the news the day a political party claimed their hatred of whites.

Anyone got a link? "

None what so ever . Are you trying to deny it?

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


"Hes a shiny faced public schoolboy twat."

It's lard.

When he fucks the pigs too quick it really renders down their fatty tissue.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


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Problem we have is our only alternative is a group of people with a shadow leader who hate the normal white working class man or women in the street

I must have missed the news the day a political party claimed their hatred of whites.

Anyone got a link?

None what so ever . Are you trying to deny it?"

I've never heard any of them say it so yes.

But I'm happy to be proven wrong if someone can show me when they've said it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So far from this thread I have gleamed.

Posh = Bad

Rich = Bad

Privileged = Bad

Educated = Bad.

Right who wants to meet a poor, thick ,underprivileged pleb ?

I expect my inbox to be full by lunchtime. "

Poor? Underprivileged?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't know enough about politics,businesses,world affairs or anything political for that matter,or about him so I'm staying neutral.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol


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Problem we have is our only alternative is a group of people with a shadow leader who hate the normal white working class man or women in the street

I must have missed the news the day a political party claimed their hatred of whites.

Anyone got a link?

None what so ever . Are you trying to deny it?"

You are seriously suggesting that Jeremy Corbyn, a man with a long history of standing up for the white working class man or woman in the street (and indeed the working class men and women in the street of all ethnicities), actually hates the white working class man or woman in the street?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is a nice impartial thread with rational balanced discussion

*pulls out deck chair*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"were people really expected to vote for Miliband? The guy was about as electable as farage, until Labour go back to their routes I will never vote for them, they are just a copy of the conservatives right now

Err...have you heard of Jeremy Corbyn?"

Err yeah but he has only just become leader he wasn't around before the general election, in fact I had never even heard of him before he became leader, he will not affect much change in the Labour party though, he is one man who is not liked in his own party, plus the things I have seen of him and heard on the news he still wouldn't get my vote he comes across a bit of a twat if I'm honest

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So far from this thread I have gleamed.

Posh = Bad

Rich = Bad

Privileged = Bad

Educated = Bad.

Right who wants to meet a poor, thick ,underprivileged pleb ?

I expect my inbox to be full by lunchtime.

Poor? Underprivileged? "

So you think I'm just a thick pleb ?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol


"were people really expected to vote for Miliband? The guy was about as electable as farage, until Labour go back to their routes I will never vote for them, they are just a copy of the conservatives right now

Err...have you heard of Jeremy Corbyn?

Err yeah but he has only just become leader he wasn't around before the general election, in fact I had never even heard of him before he became leader, he will not affect much change in the Labour party though, he is one man who is not liked in his own party, plus the things I have seen of him and heard on the news he still wouldn't get my vote he comes across a bit of a twat if I'm honest"

That seems to illustrate that you don't know much about him at all.

He is already effecting huge changes in the Labour party. He is very popular indeed with the members of his own party (the most popular leader ever, in fact). He is unpopular with some members of the Parliamentary Labour Party...but they are the ones who are copying the Conservatives, so you would think you'd be pleased he is unpopular with them.

What has he done that makes him a twat?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's wonderful to see intelligent debate in the Lounge, as usual, without resorting to obscenities about individuals you've never met

Some clear champions of democracy here as well. There are only 3 parties that have ever won a general election. 1 of them is now defunct and the Tories are 1 of the remaining 2. So blanket hatred of Tories basically means that those people prefer a one party system, yeah they work out well...

Sorry, but that's just bollocks. I hate what the Tories stand for, I don't prefer a one party system. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

"

Well they are if you look at the electoral history of this country. What exactly is your point, you do like democracy but only when it's a competition between parties you like?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He is a cunt of the highest order as for the wife on bake off once again the north/south divide was so easily seen in the canopy session. Canopies for kids was the theme Jason Manford used that northern delicacy black pudding and Sam used crab and shrimp for kiddies canopies. I rest my case

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By *umdump2000Couple
over a year ago

biggleswade

He is a nobhead

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Soon he will be privatising the nhs bit by bit, sure he is great, that is why some deluded voters voted for him twice . The country will go down hill with that loon LOL.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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What I dont like is the way he trats the lower class people with complete contenpt and lick arses his pals in Europe.

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I'm not rich but I do have empathy. I'd imagine the rich hate the way socialists treat them with contempt, constantly imply they don't deserve their wealth and scheme about ways to forcibly get more of it from them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok I worded it wrong he is unpopular with other Labour mp's is what I meant he maybe very popular with the members of the Labour party, but without the backing of mp's he is going nowhere

As for been a twat its just my _iew on him, he seems to obsessed with proving he is a socialist than actually doing a job, but I will say I know very little about politics as such I know what I want and what is best for me and my family and currently that's a Tory government

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


"He is a cunt of the highest order as for the wife on bake off once again the north/south divide was so easily seen in the canopy session. Canopies for kids was the theme Jason Manford used that northern delicacy black pudding and Sam used crab and shrimp for kiddies canopies. I rest my case "

Sarah Brown should be worried, Sam Cam seems to want to do everything she does.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol


"Ok I worded it wrong he is unpopular with other Labour mp's is what I meant he maybe very popular with the members of the Labour party, but without the backing of mp's he is going nowhere

As for been a twat its just my _iew on him, he seems to obsessed with proving he is a socialist than actually doing a job, but I will say I know very little about politics as such I know what I want and what is best for me and my family and currently that's a Tory government"

Wow...you must be millionaires then!

Because if you aren't a millionaire, a Tory government is currently doing nothing for you other than pulling the wool over your eyes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is a nice impartial thread with rational balanced discussion

*pulls out deck chair*"

There's a reason communism always degenerated into dictatorship. Lefties can't tolerate people disagreeing with them. Since lefties know they have the moral high ground, anyone who disagrees should be converted or killed.

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By *adystephanieTV/TS
over a year ago

glos

He is so nice I think we should all club together and buy him a nice little piggy

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


"I know what I want and what is best for me and my family and currently that's a Tory government"

When people wonder why the sense of community is no longer what it was I think they could maybe find part of the answer in what's been posted above^.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Soon he will be privatising the nhs bit by bit, sure he is great, that is why some deluded voters voted for him twice . The country will go down hill with that loon LOL."

Hasn't that already started? I do believe virgin medical just won a massive contract for the Kent NHS out services it's happening all over the country

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Soon he will be privatising the nhs bit by bit, sure he is great, that is why some deluded voters voted for him twice . The country will go down hill with that loon LOL.

Hasn't that already started? I do believe virgin medical just won a massive contract for the Kent NHS out services it's happening all over the country "

I`m guessing he means paying for treatment,

I honestly think that if he could he would definatly go the way of America

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well, I was privately educated, had a good upbringing and voted Conservative too. Guess that has just alienated me from 99% of all people on Fab if this thread is anything to go by.

I work hard, studied hard to get to where I am, yet because I would be considered posh (private school), educated (degree) and mildly successful, then I'm a cunt as some have put it in previous posts.

Good to see the Labour demographic doing well in trying to convince people to not vote Conservative.....

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


"

Good to see the Labour demographic doing well in trying to convince people to not vote Conservative....."

Not everyone who's anti-Tory is a Labour voter or supporter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In fairness to balance then, I'll add UKIP to the list if it makes you happier

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Like all politicians for that matter.

They are like nappies they should be changed regularly because they are full of shite."

Wouldn't it be better to potty-train society so it doesn't need nappies anymore?

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


"In fairness to balance then, I'll add UKIP to the list if it makes you happier "

I certainly don't vote for them either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Soon he will be privatising the nhs bit by bit, sure he is great, that is why some deluded voters voted for him twice . The country will go down hill with that loon LOL.

Hasn't that already started? I do believe virgin medical just won a massive contract for the Kent NHS out services it's happening all over the country

I`m guessing he means paying for treatment,

I honestly think that if he could he would definatly go the way of America"
Yes that is what I meant too and yeah. I think it is already happening.

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By *adystephanieTV/TS
over a year ago

glos

Someone once told me on FB I should never talk seriously about, sex, politics, or religion on social media sites, and I would blend in nicely if I just talked Utter Bollox

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As Mark Twain said. "If voting made any difference, they wouldn't let us do it".

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol


"This is a nice impartial thread with rational balanced discussion

*pulls out deck chair*

There's a reason communism always degenerated into dictatorship. Lefties can't tolerate people disagreeing with them. Since lefties know they have the moral high ground, anyone who disagrees should be converted or killed. "

You seem to have trouble understanding that commi=unism is one of many different left wing ideologies. Not the only one.

And you also seem to have trouble understanding that throughout history there are have been far more right wing dictatorships than left wing ones.

Presumably because right wingers can't tolerate people disagreeing with them. And since right wingers know they have the moral high ground, anyone who disagrees with them should be converted or killed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is a nice impartial thread with rational balanced discussion

*pulls out deck chair*

There's a reason communism always degenerated into dictatorship. Lefties can't tolerate people disagreeing with them. Since lefties know they have the moral high ground, anyone who disagrees should be converted or killed.

You seem to have trouble understanding that commi=unism is one of many different left wing ideologies. Not the only one.

And you also seem to have trouble understanding that throughout history there are have been far more right wing dictatorships than left wing ones.

Presumably because right wingers can't tolerate people disagreeing with them. And since right wingers know they have the moral high ground, anyone who disagrees with them should be converted or killed."

Pol Pot, Jose Stalin, Mao ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I know what I want and what is best for me and my family and currently that's a Tory government

When people wonder why the sense of community is no longer what it was I think they could maybe find part of the answer in what's been posted above^. "

What a ridiculous statement, just because I vote Tory and want what is best financially for me and my family I have no sense community? It would appear that anyone who votes Tory is a vile and disgusting person with no morals or compassion towards other human beings

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is a nice impartial thread with rational balanced discussion

*pulls out deck chair*

There's a reason communism always degenerated into dictatorship. Lefties can't tolerate people disagreeing with them. Since lefties know they have the moral high ground, anyone who disagrees should be converted or killed.

You seem to have trouble understanding that commi=unism is one of many different left wing ideologies. Not the only one.

And you also seem to have trouble understanding that throughout history there are have been far more right wing dictatorships than left wing ones.

Presumably because right wingers can't tolerate people disagreeing with them. And since right wingers know they have the moral high ground, anyone who disagrees with them should be converted or killed."

Spoken like a fully paid up member of the tory party.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is a nice impartial thread with rational balanced discussion

*pulls out deck chair*

There's a reason communism always degenerated into dictatorship. Lefties can't tolerate people disagreeing with them. Since lefties know they have the moral high ground, anyone who disagrees should be converted or killed.

You seem to have trouble understanding that commi=unism is one of many different left wing ideologies. Not the only one.

And you also seem to have trouble understanding that throughout history there are have been far more right wing dictatorships than left wing ones.

Presumably because right wingers can't tolerate people disagreeing with them. And since right wingers know they have the moral high ground, anyone who disagrees with them should be converted or killed."

Lol, how many right wing people do you see on this thread trying to occupy the moral high ground? I see lots of lefties who are the last defenders of the sick, elderly and downtrodden.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is a nice impartial thread with rational balanced discussion

*pulls out deck chair*

There's a reason communism always degenerated into dictatorship. Lefties can't tolerate people disagreeing with them. Since lefties know they have the moral high ground, anyone who disagrees should be converted or killed.

You seem to have trouble understanding that commi=unism is one of many different left wing ideologies. Not the only one.

And you also seem to have trouble understanding that throughout history there are have been far more right wing dictatorships than left wing ones.

Presumably because right wingers can't tolerate people disagreeing with them. And since right wingers know they have the moral high ground, anyone who disagrees with them should be converted or killed."

Left-wing, right-wing? Same fucking bird!'Communism' - or more accurately 'state-capitalism' was always a dictatorship from the outset. Just like western capitalism.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is a nice impartial thread with rational balanced discussion

*pulls out deck chair*

There's a reason communism always degenerated into dictatorship. Lefties can't tolerate people disagreeing with them. Since lefties know they have the moral high ground, anyone who disagrees should be converted or killed.

You seem to have trouble understanding that commi=unism is one of many different left wing ideologies. Not the only one.

And you also seem to have trouble understanding that throughout history there are have been far more right wing dictatorships than left wing ones.

Presumably because right wingers can't tolerate people disagreeing with them. And since right wingers know they have the moral high ground, anyone who disagrees with them should be converted or killed.

Spoken like a fully paid up member of the tory party. "

My political _iews are like my sexual ones - I swing.

I just don't like the people that come on here and make out like there's only one sensible choice so why do we even need an election because only satanists would vote tory anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is a nice impartial thread with rational balanced discussion

*pulls out deck chair*

There's a reason communism always degenerated into dictatorship. Lefties can't tolerate people disagreeing with them. Since lefties know they have the moral high ground, anyone who disagrees should be converted or killed.

You seem to have trouble understanding that commi=unism is one of many different left wing ideologies. Not the only one.

And you also seem to have trouble understanding that throughout history there are have been far more right wing dictatorships than left wing ones.

Presumably because right wingers can't tolerate people disagreeing with them. And since right wingers know they have the moral high ground, anyone who disagrees with them should be converted or killed.

Left-wing, right-wing? Same fucking bird!'Communism' - or more accurately 'state-capitalism' was always a dictatorship from the outset. Just like western capitalism."

State capitalism and communism are very different.

Under communism 20-60m people died of starvation.

Under state capitalism they enjoyed 40 years of double digit economic growth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He's posh, proper and privileged what not to like!!! "

all of the above?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Excellent Prime Minister and he seems like a genuinely nice guy.

What's not to like?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He's posh, proper and privileged what not to like!!!

all of the above? "

And your logic for this is ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So are there any substantive issues with Cameron? Other than background? He is a Tory, he has a political agenda, maybe focus on that rather than where he came from? In life does it really matter where you come from? Surely what matters is to be judged on what you do?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is a nice impartial thread with rational balanced discussion

*pulls out deck chair*

There's a reason communism always degenerated into dictatorship. Lefties can't tolerate people disagreeing with them. Since lefties know they have the moral high ground, anyone who disagrees should be converted or killed.

You seem to have trouble understanding that commi=unism is one of many different left wing ideologies. Not the only one.

And you also seem to have trouble understanding that throughout history there are have been far more right wing dictatorships than left wing ones.

Presumably because right wingers can't tolerate people disagreeing with them. And since right wingers know they have the moral high ground, anyone who disagrees with them should be converted or killed.

Left-wing, right-wing? Same fucking bird!'Communism' - or more accurately 'state-capitalism' was always a dictatorship from the outset. Just like western capitalism.

State capitalism and communism are very different.

Under communism 20-60m people died of starvation.

Under state capitalism they enjoyed 40 years of double digit economic growth. "

Just not true. The Russian revolution was never a communist revolution, anymore than Lenin was a Marxist. You might want to argue that economic performance increased as the economic system that replaced feudalism developed, but that's what happens under capitalism and does not constitute an argument against either 'communism' or 'state-capitalism'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In life does it really matter where you come from? "

Yes if you believe the majority on this thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well, I was privately educated, had a good upbringing and voted Conservative too. Guess that has just alienated me from 99% of all people on Fab if this thread is anything to go by.

I work hard, studied hard to get to where I am, yet because I would be considered posh (private school), educated (degree) and mildly successful, then I'm a cunt as some have put it in previous posts.

Good to see the Labour demographic doing well in trying to convince people to not vote Conservative....."

Being posh automatically makes you a dick on here. Unfortunately inverse snobbery is rife.

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By *lacksausageMan
over a year ago

Birmingham Airport


"He's great isn't he

I wrote to him two weeks ago "

Fuck me indigo! Your ideal meet is a 6ft plus white Irish MAN who is not gay/bi, does not like dogging, does not drive a truck and who does not dabble in the lovely world of forum chat and friendly banter. If he is in the Army, then it's smiles all round.

Wtf did you see in that dude then that you had to write to him? Eh? Tell me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

First, and more simply, many people who are not "posh" envy the perceived lifestyle and wealth of those who are "posh" and thus criticise them and indeed for their lifestyle whilst simultaneously wishing it to be theirs.

Second, people look at the archetypal "posh" person and legitimately find their behaviour deplorable. This stereotype originates from popular web and media culture such as television programmes such as Made in Chelsea. "Posh" people are encapsulated as a small, snobbish, urban elite who appear to be endowed with far more money than is deserved and spend it fecklessly.

Much of the problem comes down to lack of understanding. People see "posh" people as a the rather unpleasant elite depicted above, and assume all "posh" people are like that. In reality, there are no fixed criteria for this poshness other than being a part of some form of elite: an academic, a farmer, a socialite, someone with an inherited title and someone of the nouveau riche would all no doubt be described as "posh", but they could differ wildly in terms of social, economical and intellectual capital, and indeed in attitude.

Rather than observing these nuances, people assume than anyone with any kind of superiority is the brattish, snobbish MiC archetypal "posh person" and dislike them for this. A little education would, I think, go a long way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In life does it really matter where you come from?

Yes if you believe the majority on this thread."

I've had the fortune and misfortune to meet people from all walks of life, from criminals to prime ministers to royalty. I judge people on how I find them, and what I've found is where you come from has little or no bearing on whether you are a good person or a totaly arse!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's wonderful to see intelligent debate in the Lounge, as usual, without resorting to obscenities about individuals you've never met

Some clear champions of democracy here as well. There are only 3 parties that have ever won a general election. 1 of them is now defunct and the Tories are 1 of the remaining 2. So blanket hatred of Tories basically means that those people prefer a one party system, yeah they work out well...

Sorry, but that's just bollocks. I hate what the Tories stand for, I don't prefer a one party system. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Well they are if you look at the electoral history of this country. What exactly is your point, you do like democracy but only when it's a competition between parties you like? "

Not at all. I want a fiercely fought political scene with strongly held beliefs on both/all sides. The fact that I hate the Tories doesn't mean I don't think they should exist, I just fundamentally disagree with their policies. A strong opposition is vital to maintaining democratic integrity, which is why we both support political systems with options, not one party states.

I actually think we both agree on that, and I hope you can see that just because I hate, and I do mean hate,90 percent of conservative policies, I have never extended that to the position of wanting some unquestioned, state imposed obedience to a socialist government. That way lies Cuba, and China, where we wouldn't even be able to have these discussions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is a nice impartial thread with rational balanced discussion

*pulls out deck chair*

There's a reason communism always degenerated into dictatorship. Lefties can't tolerate people disagreeing with them. Since lefties know they have the moral high ground, anyone who disagrees should be converted or killed.

You seem to have trouble understanding that commi=unism is one of many different left wing ideologies. Not the only one.

And you also seem to have trouble understanding that throughout history there are have been far more right wing dictatorships than left wing ones.

Presumably because right wingers can't tolerate people disagreeing with them. And since right wingers know they have the moral high ground, anyone who disagrees with them should be converted or killed.

Left-wing, right-wing? Same fucking bird!'Communism' - or more accurately 'state-capitalism' was always a dictatorship from the outset. Just like western capitalism.

State capitalism and communism are very different.

Under communism 20-60m people died of starvation.

Under state capitalism they enjoyed 40 years of double digit economic growth.

Just not true. The Russian revolution was never a communist revolution, anymore than Lenin was a Marxist. You might want to argue that economic performance increased as the economic system that replaced feudalism developed, but that's what happens under capitalism and does not constitute an argument against either 'communism' or 'state-capitalism'."

Let's try again.

Communism - the state runs the economy

State capitalism - the state intervenes in the economy as and when it pleases but doesn't want to run it day to day

Capitalism - the state regulates but private ownership rights are legally protected from arbitrary intrusion.

Those are very common definitions, easy to find in a Google search and used in just about every university that teaches economics.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's wonderful to see intelligent debate in the Lounge, as usual, without resorting to obscenities about individuals you've never met

Some clear champions of democracy here as well. There are only 3 parties that have ever won a general election. 1 of them is now defunct and the Tories are 1 of the remaining 2. So blanket hatred of Tories basically means that those people prefer a one party system, yeah they work out well...

Sorry, but that's just bollocks. I hate what the Tories stand for, I don't prefer a one party system. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Well they are if you look at the electoral history of this country. What exactly is your point, you do like democracy but only when it's a competition between parties you like?

Not at all. I want a fiercely fought political scene with strongly held beliefs on both/all sides. The fact that I hate the Tories doesn't mean I don't think they should exist, I just fundamentally disagree with their policies. A strong opposition is vital to maintaining democratic integrity, which is why we both support political systems with options, not one party states.

I actually think we both agree on that, and I hope you can see that just because I hate, and I do mean hate,90 percent of conservative policies, I have never extended that to the position of wanting some unquestioned, state imposed obedience to a socialist government. That way lies Cuba, and China, where we wouldn't even be able to have these discussions."

OK well please pass on your point of _iew to the people on this thread that think all tories and their voters are cunts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well, I was privately educated, had a good upbringing and voted Conservative too. Guess that has just alienated me from 99% of all people on Fab if this thread is anything to go by.

I work hard, studied hard to get to where I am, yet because I would be considered posh (private school), educated (degree) and mildly successful, then I'm a cunt as some have put it in previous posts.

Good to see the Labour demographic doing well in trying to convince people to not vote Conservative.....

Being posh automatically makes you a dick on here. Unfortunately inverse snobbery is rife. "

the slummy mummies thread is a great example of this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well, I was privately educated, had a good upbringing and voted Conservative too. Guess that has just alienated me from 99% of all people on Fab if this thread is anything to go by.

I work hard, studied hard to get to where I am, yet because I would be considered posh (private school), educated (degree) and mildly successful, then I'm a cunt as some have put it in previous posts.

Good to see the Labour demographic doing well in trying to convince people to not vote Conservative.....

Being posh automatically makes you a dick on here. Unfortunately inverse snobbery is rife.

the slummy mummies thread is a great example of this "

Not sure I understand the relevance of taking your child to school in pyjamas and voting Conservative ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well, I was privately educated, had a good upbringing and voted Conservative too. Guess that has just alienated me from 99% of all people on Fab if this thread is anything to go by.

I work hard, studied hard to get to where I am, yet because I would be considered posh (private school), educated (degree) and mildly successful, then I'm a cunt as some have put it in previous posts.

Good to see the Labour demographic doing well in trying to convince people to not vote Conservative.....

Being posh automatically makes you a dick on here. Unfortunately inverse snobbery is rife.

the slummy mummies thread is a great example of this

Not sure I understand the relevance of taking your child to school in pyjamas and voting Conservative ?"

No I meant it's a good thread for examples of inverse snobbery. Also conventional snobbery too - two world's collide

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn't put taking your children to school in PJ's as inverse snobbery. I'd put it down to not taking pride in your appearance and giving the perception of laziness and tardiness. The children look up at us adults as role models and we should be encouraging them to be proud of themselves and to show them what it takes to be ambitious and achieve their dreams. Seeing their parents sitting on the couch all day in their PJ's, with no 'get up and go' is not exactly inspiring their children to 'get up and go' is it.

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.


"In life does it really matter where you come from?

Yes if you believe the majority on this thread.

I've had the fortune and misfortune to meet people from all walks of life, from criminals to prime ministers to royalty. I judge people on how I find them, and what I've found is where you come from has little or no bearing on whether you are a good person or a totaly arse!"

I have found the same...

In fact David isn't that bad, he sends me a Christmas card every year...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seems too me there's a lot of people who just like arguing and a lot of people who simply enjoy slagging off someone who's not likely to answer back in this thread......

Ya gotta luuuuuuv forums,,,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Seems too me there's a lot of people who just like arguing and a lot of people who simply enjoy slagging off someone who's not likely to answer back in this thread......

Ya gotta luuuuuuv forums,,, "

Yeah damn clique picking on him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Any body who likes David Cameron is not a friend of mine

Crushing the poor.sick..disabled. .now students. .can't stand the man an what he stands for an how he treats the poor...an people that are not rich is criminal

"

In which case I am happy not to be the friend of someone who stereotypically hates someone for their birth and education. Like it was his fault? But he WAS good enough to go to University and do well. But you missed that bit.

As for the rest of your Leftie drivel it would be a pointless discussion...

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

I have a lot of friends who are card-carrying conservatives and they're lovely people.

A lot of their _iews cater for the few which leaves a lot of people in the cold. (as I highlighted earlier but was missed by mud-slinging on both sides of this thread.)

I don't hate the rich or privileged. I hate the direct attack on social and economic mobility that the Conservatives seem to associated with on a more than regular basis.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well, I was privately educated, had a good upbringing and voted Conservative too. Guess that has just alienated me from 99% of all people on Fab if this thread is anything to go by.

I work hard, studied hard to get to where I am, yet because I would be considered posh (private school), educated (degree) and mildly successful, then I'm a cunt as some have put it in previous posts.

Good to see the Labour demographic doing well in trying to convince people to not vote Conservative....."

Good on you mate and well done. Personally I was Grammar School because I passed my 11+ but not rich enough for University but I did do an engineering apprenticeship. So very 'Working Class' until I saw what the Unions did to me and my industry and my country. So I helped put Maggie in power and have been a Tory c**t ever since and proud of it.

What really makes me smile is when twats like Milliband used to point at the Tories and shout about 'millionaires' and 'privilege'... forgetting HE is a millionaire and came from a privileged background. As were 60% of HIS Labour Front Bench. Hypocrisy is very alive and well in Labour like I guess some on here who seek the wealth of Cameron but despise him for having it already.

Now personally I don't give a flying fuck where people come from or what their wealth is. I judge them by their actions. And so far the two Tory Toffs (Cameron and Osbourne) have steered the Ship of State pretty well given we were on the rocks thanks to Labour losing the ship's compass.

And, lest we forget, the UK voted for Cameron to STAY as PM after 5 years seeing what he could do and what he was like.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Let's try again.

Communism - the state runs the economy

State capitalism - the state intervenes in the economy as and when it pleases but doesn't want to run it day to day

Capitalism - the state regulates but private ownership rights are legally protected from arbitrary intrusion.

Those are very common definitions, easy to find in a Google search and used in just about every university that teaches economics. "

Always good to try again. Unfortunately, you're no nearer to the truth. Communism - as defined by Marx and Engels - will be a classless, stateless, moneyless system of society based on the common ownership of the means of production. In a communist society - which has never existed anywhere - goods and services will be produced directly to satisfy human needs rather than, as in capitalism, produced as commodities to be sold on a market with a _iew to profit. Just like the differences between labour and conservative, the differences between state-capitalism - where the state controls the means of production - and western so-called free enterprise capitalism - where wealth is concentrated in fewer and fewer hands as capital accumulates - are not really worth discussing too much. The important point is that if you think that voting makes a difference then you are deluded.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" I hate the direct attack on social and economic mobility that the Conservatives seem to associated with on a more than regular basis. "

That is a very thoughtful and interesting observation. Anything to support your _iew? I feel there is far more social mobility now than ever before. Anyone can do anything they want if they have the ability in the UK.

More kids are going to University from poorer families than ever before. Yes they have a debt but they have the skills and education to have a better life. And if they don't earn they don't repay. Before only the rich went to University.

The last Tory Prime Minister was the son of a circus performer and went to grammar school while living on a Council Estate ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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The people who voted him in are c***s"

And who the fuck are YOU to call anyone else a cunt? I voted him in. So I am a cunt. And fucking proud to be so in that case ...

At least a cunt is useful ...

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over a year ago


" I hate the direct attack on social and economic mobility that the Conservatives seem to associated with on a more than regular basis.

That is a very thoughtful and interesting observation. Anything to support your _iew? I feel there is far more social mobility now than ever before. Anyone can do anything they want if they have the ability in the UK.

More kids are going to University from poorer families than ever before. Yes they have a debt but they have the skills and education to have a better life. And if they don't earn they don't repay. Before only the rich went to University.

The last Tory Prime Minister was the son of a circus performer and went to grammar school while living on a Council Estate ..."

They don't have anything of the sort. They are paying 9 grand for a worthless 'degree' and probably won't get a job at the end of it that has anything to do with their degree. Not Cameron's fault - the man is a ridiculous puppet - but rather the outcome of a stupid society run by halfwits!!!

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Cameron's an arse.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol


"And so far the two Tory Toffs (Cameron and Osbourne) have steered the Ship of State pretty well given we were on the rocks thanks to Labour losing the ship's compass.

"

Ah, the eternal battle-cry of the financially illiterate British voter!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Let's try again.

Communism - the state runs the economy

State capitalism - the state intervenes in the economy as and when it pleases but doesn't want to run it day to day

Capitalism - the state regulates but private ownership rights are legally protected from arbitrary intrusion.

Those are very common definitions, easy to find in a Google search and used in just about every university that teaches economics.

Always good to try again. Unfortunately, you're no nearer to the truth. Communism - as defined by Marx and Engels - will be a classless, stateless, moneyless system of society based on the common ownership of the means of production. In a communist society - which has never existed anywhere - goods and services will be produced directly to satisfy human needs rather than, as in capitalism, produced as commodities to be sold on a market with a _iew to profit. Just like the differences between labour and conservative, the differences between state-capitalism - where the state controls the means of production - and western so-called free enterprise capitalism - where wealth is concentrated in fewer and fewer hands as capital accumulates - are not really worth discussing too much. The important point is that if you think that voting makes a difference then you are deluded."

I think a reasonably intelligent person can tell the difference between the ideas, impact and results of Moa and Deng ShaoPing or Stalin and Putin.

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over a year ago


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Let's try again.

Communism - the state runs the economy

State capitalism - the state intervenes in the economy as and when it pleases but doesn't want to run it day to day

Capitalism - the state regulates but private ownership rights are legally protected from arbitrary intrusion.

Those are very common definitions, easy to find in a Google search and used in just about every university that teaches economics.

Always good to try again. Unfortunately, you're no nearer to the truth. Communism - as defined by Marx and Engels - will be a classless, stateless, moneyless system of society based on the common ownership of the means of production. In a communist society - which has never existed anywhere - goods and services will be produced directly to satisfy human needs rather than, as in capitalism, produced as commodities to be sold on a market with a _iew to profit. Just like the differences between labour and conservative, the differences between state-capitalism - where the state controls the means of production - and western so-called free enterprise capitalism - where wealth is concentrated in fewer and fewer hands as capital accumulates - are not really worth discussing too much. The important point is that if you think that voting makes a difference then you are deluded.

I think a reasonably intelligent person can tell the difference between the ideas, impact and results of Moa and Deng ShaoPing or Stalin and Putin. "

What? Like the differences between shit, really shit, extremely shit and so shit it beggars belief? No, capitalism develops differently depending on the cultural factors that obtain in different areas, but the end result is a large barrel of detritus. I don't enjoy polishing turds. Capitalism is obsolete irrespective of who thinks they control it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well, I was privately educated, had a good upbringing and voted Conservative too. Guess that has just alienated me from 99% of all people on Fab if this thread is anything to go by.

I work hard, studied hard to get to where I am, yet because I would be considered posh (private school), educated (degree) and mildly successful, then I'm a cunt as some have put it in previous posts.

Good to see the Labour demographic doing well in trying to convince people to not vote Conservative.....

Good on you mate and well done. Personally I was Grammar School because I passed my 11+ but not rich enough for University but I did do an engineering apprenticeship. So very 'Working Class' until I saw what the Unions did to me and my industry and my country. So I helped put Maggie in power and have been a Tory c**t ever since and proud of it.

What really makes me smile is when twats like Milliband used to point at the Tories and shout about 'millionaires' and 'privilege'... forgetting HE is a millionaire and came from a privileged background. As were 60% of HIS Labour Front Bench. Hypocrisy is very alive and well in Labour like I guess some on here who seek the wealth of Cameron but despise him for having it already.

Now personally I don't give a flying fuck where people come from or what their wealth is. I judge them by their actions. And so far the two Tory Toffs (Cameron and Osbourne) have steered the Ship of State pretty well given we were on the rocks thanks to Labour losing the ship's compass.

And, lest we forget, the UK voted for Cameron to STAY as PM after 5 years seeing what he could do and what he was like. "

Only the ones as deluded as you appear to be

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over a year ago


"And so far the two Tory Toffs (Cameron and Osbourne) have steered the Ship of State pretty well given we were on the rocks thanks to Labour losing the ship's compass.

Ah, the eternal battle-cry of the financially illiterate British voter! "

Another example of left wing bullying? I don't agree with you therefore you are financially illiterate?

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over a year ago


"Cameron's an arse.

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I'm a fan when he does good things and a critic when he does bad things... I'd say it's about 20/80 at the moment.

I don't particularly like his panderings to the oligarchs like Murdoch but then which one of them doesn't do it these days!.

I don't really have any personal feelings towards him off either good or bad

I absolutely detest Osborne though, he's the personification of a slimy twat and worse still he's fucking hopeless at his job!.

No wonder they wouldn't let him in at Eton

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over a year ago


"I'm a fan when he does good things and a critic when he does bad things... I'd say it's about 20/80 at the moment.

I don't particularly like his panderings to the oligarchs like Murdoch but then which one of them doesn't do it these days!.

I don't really have any personal feelings towards him off either good or bad

I absolutely detest Osborne though, he's the personification of a slimy twat and worse still he's fucking hopeless at his job!.

No wonder they wouldn't let him in at Eton "

His ideas aren't so bad. It's the implementation of them has been horrific in some cases (e.g. 'bedroom tax')

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol


"And so far the two Tory Toffs (Cameron and Osbourne) have steered the Ship of State pretty well given we were on the rocks thanks to Labour losing the ship's compass.

Ah, the eternal battle-cry of the financially illiterate British voter!

Another example of left wing bullying? I don't agree with you therefore you are financially illiterate? "

It's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. The poster I quoted is wrong on a matter of fact. As that fact is to do with the financial state of the country at the time of the Labour Party's exit from power, when incoming chancellor George Osborne steered the economy from a state of recovery into a two year flatline, the poster is economically illiterate.

How that amounts to 'left wing bullying' is anyone's guess.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone is free to stand for election. ...go for it...but be prepared for the onslaught,because you won't please everyone

Not a job I would like to do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolute legend, best PM since Thatcher

This country would be struggling without him

Idiots just want to bash him but he's a good lad

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By *nfamy OP   Man
over a year ago

Goole


"Absolute legend, best PM since Thatcher

This country would be struggling without him

Idiots just want to bash him but he's a good lad"

Really??

I'll tell him at the next meeting of the Bullingdon club.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I was posh once, actually. I went to Isle of Wight on a ferry. And back.

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By *nfamy OP   Man
over a year ago

Goole

I'VE been to London my whippet didn't like it.

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over a year ago


"I was posh once, actually. I went to Isle of Wight on a ferry. And back. "

And I bribed the ferry captain to take your passport off you too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And so far the two Tory Toffs (Cameron and Osbourne) have steered the Ship of State pretty well given we were on the rocks thanks to Labour losing the ship's compass.

Ah, the eternal battle-cry of the financially illiterate British voter!

Another example of left wing bullying? I don't agree with you therefore you are financially illiterate?

It's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. The poster I quoted is wrong on a matter of fact. As that fact is to do with the financial state of the country at the time of the Labour Party's exit from power, when incoming chancellor George Osborne steered the economy from a state of recovery into a two year flatline, the poster is economically illiterate.

How that amounts to 'left wing bullying' is anyone's guess."

The global economy bounced back strongly from a severe 2 year downturn in 2010. Most advanced economies and eurozone in particular have seen growth decline significantly thereafter, with the UK outperforming on many measures. So when compared to similar countries the UK performance can be considered rather good, making the posters comment valid. Could Labour have done better? We will never know. Your comment assumes that they would which maybe you can support?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol


"And so far the two Tory Toffs (Cameron and Osbourne) have steered the Ship of State pretty well given we were on the rocks thanks to Labour losing the ship's compass.

Ah, the eternal battle-cry of the financially illiterate British voter!

Another example of left wing bullying? I don't agree with you therefore you are financially illiterate?

It's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. The poster I quoted is wrong on a matter of fact. As that fact is to do with the financial state of the country at the time of the Labour Party's exit from power, when incoming chancellor George Osborne steered the economy from a state of recovery into a two year flatline, the poster is economically illiterate.

How that amounts to 'left wing bullying' is anyone's guess.

The global economy bounced back strongly from a severe 2 year downturn in 2010. Most advanced economies and eurozone in particular have seen growth decline significantly thereafter, with the UK outperforming on many measures. So when compared to similar countries the UK performance can be considered rather good, making the posters comment valid. Could Labour have done better? We will never know. Your comment assumes that they would which maybe you can support?"

I'm not bothering to lead you through it again. Read Mainly Macro, or don't. The facts remain the facts, and the financially illiterate remain the financially illiterate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And so far the two Tory Toffs (Cameron and Osbourne) have steered the Ship of State pretty well given we were on the rocks thanks to Labour losing the ship's compass.

Ah, the eternal battle-cry of the financially illiterate British voter!

Another example of left wing bullying? I don't agree with you therefore you are financially illiterate?

It's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. The poster I quoted is wrong on a matter of fact. As that fact is to do with the financial state of the country at the time of the Labour Party's exit from power, when incoming chancellor George Osborne steered the economy from a state of recovery into a two year flatline, the poster is economically illiterate.

How that amounts to 'left wing bullying' is anyone's guess.

The global economy bounced back strongly from a severe 2 year downturn in 2010. Most advanced economies and eurozone in particular have seen growth decline significantly thereafter, with the UK outperforming on many measures. So when compared to similar countries the UK performance can be considered rather good, making the posters comment valid. Could Labour have done better? We will never know. Your comment assumes that they would which maybe you can support?

I'm not bothering to lead you through it again. Read Mainly Macro, or don't. The facts remain the facts, and the financially illiterate remain the financially illiterate."

So you can't, glad we cleared that up.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol


"And so far the two Tory Toffs (Cameron and Osbourne) have steered the Ship of State pretty well given we were on the rocks thanks to Labour losing the ship's compass.

Ah, the eternal battle-cry of the financially illiterate British voter!

Another example of left wing bullying? I don't agree with you therefore you are financially illiterate?

It's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. The poster I quoted is wrong on a matter of fact. As that fact is to do with the financial state of the country at the time of the Labour Party's exit from power, when incoming chancellor George Osborne steered the economy from a state of recovery into a two year flatline, the poster is economically illiterate.

How that amounts to 'left wing bullying' is anyone's guess.

The global economy bounced back strongly from a severe 2 year downturn in 2010. Most advanced economies and eurozone in particular have seen growth decline significantly thereafter, with the UK outperforming on many measures. So when compared to similar countries the UK performance can be considered rather good, making the posters comment valid. Could Labour have done better? We will never know. Your comment assumes that they would which maybe you can support?

I'm not bothering to lead you through it again. Read Mainly Macro, or don't. The facts remain the facts, and the financially illiterate remain the financially illiterate.

So you can't, glad we cleared that up."

That is the equivalent of a five year old saying 'I know you are, but what am I?'

You have not covered yourself in glory.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And so far the two Tory Toffs (Cameron and Osbourne) have steered the Ship of State pretty well given we were on the rocks thanks to Labour losing the ship's compass.

Ah, the eternal battle-cry of the financially illiterate British voter!

Another example of left wing bullying? I don't agree with you therefore you are financially illiterate?

It's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. The poster I quoted is wrong on a matter of fact. As that fact is to do with the financial state of the country at the time of the Labour Party's exit from power, when incoming chancellor George Osborne steered the economy from a state of recovery into a two year flatline, the poster is economically illiterate.

How that amounts to 'left wing bullying' is anyone's guess.

The global economy bounced back strongly from a severe 2 year downturn in 2010. Most advanced economies and eurozone in particular have seen growth decline significantly thereafter, with the UK outperforming on many measures. So when compared to similar countries the UK performance can be considered rather good, making the posters comment valid. Could Labour have done better? We will never know. Your comment assumes that they would which maybe you can support?

I'm not bothering to lead you through it again. Read Mainly Macro, or don't. The facts remain the facts, and the financially illiterate remain the financially illiterate.

So you can't, glad we cleared that up.

That is the equivalent of a five year old saying 'I know you are, but what am I?'

You have not covered yourself in glory."

You keep saying the current Govt has done a shit job, yes, debt has grown, part of the problem of inheriting a structural deficit. You describe anyone who suggests that against most measures it has done done reasonable job and has outperformed most advanced economies over the period as illiterate. What you don't say is how you support that _iew other than to ask us to believe you or read your preferred analysis. In life performance is most often measured as how you perform against your peers. So I am genuinely interested to hear what you think would have been a reasonable performance and what could have been done differently. Enlighten us.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol


"And so far the two Tory Toffs (Cameron and Osbourne) have steered the Ship of State pretty well given we were on the rocks thanks to Labour losing the ship's compass.

Ah, the eternal battle-cry of the financially illiterate British voter!

Another example of left wing bullying? I don't agree with you therefore you are financially illiterate?

It's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. The poster I quoted is wrong on a matter of fact. As that fact is to do with the financial state of the country at the time of the Labour Party's exit from power, when incoming chancellor George Osborne steered the economy from a state of recovery into a two year flatline, the poster is economically illiterate.

How that amounts to 'left wing bullying' is anyone's guess.

The global economy bounced back strongly from a severe 2 year downturn in 2010. Most advanced economies and eurozone in particular have seen growth decline significantly thereafter, with the UK outperforming on many measures. So when compared to similar countries the UK performance can be considered rather good, making the posters comment valid. Could Labour have done better? We will never know. Your comment assumes that they would which maybe you can support?

I'm not bothering to lead you through it again. Read Mainly Macro, or don't. The facts remain the facts, and the financially illiterate remain the financially illiterate.

So you can't, glad we cleared that up.

That is the equivalent of a five year old saying 'I know you are, but what am I?'

You have not covered yourself in glory.

You keep saying the current Govt has done a shit job, yes, debt has grown, part of the problem of inheriting a structural deficit. You describe anyone who suggests that against most measures it has done done reasonable job and has outperformed most advanced economies over the period as illiterate. What you don't say is how you support that _iew other than to ask us to believe you or read your preferred analysis. In life performance is most often measured as how you perform against your peers. So I am genuinely interested to hear what you think would have been a reasonable performance and what could have been done differently. Enlighten us."

On the contrary, I have said none of this.

I pointed out that those who believe that the Labour Party were tanking the economy in 2010 and George Osborne was it's saviour are financially illiterate. Once again, this is a matter of fact.

As to what happened after, I made no comment. You've invented my 'commentary' to try to obscure why you are avoiding arguing the facts.

However, there is enough evidence to indicate that any financial success experienced under Osborne as a chancellor has been achieved by blind luck rather than design, and plenty of evidence to indicate that these lucky blips are not going to save us from the disaster that the most incompetent chancellor in living memory is determined to steer us towards.

I've wasted enough time on Fab trying to explain these things to people who will never grasp them, so I'll make it short and sweet: read Mainly Macro. You either understand it or you don't.

It really makes no difference though, the ship of fools has another four years to run its course. The state of the economy in 2020 will not be pretty.

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By *ondonexplorerMan
over a year ago

Ascot

Can't wait for someone to smash him in the face. Ideally during a TV inter_iew.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And so far the two Tory Toffs (Cameron and Osbourne) have steered the Ship of State pretty well given we were on the rocks thanks to Labour losing the ship's compass.

Ah, the eternal battle-cry of the financially illiterate British voter!

Another example of left wing bullying? I don't agree with you therefore you are financially illiterate?

It's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. The poster I quoted is wrong on a matter of fact. As that fact is to do with the financial state of the country at the time of the Labour Party's exit from power, when incoming chancellor George Osborne steered the economy from a state of recovery into a two year flatline, the poster is economically illiterate.

How that amounts to 'left wing bullying' is anyone's guess.

The global economy bounced back strongly from a severe 2 year downturn in 2010. Most advanced economies and eurozone in particular have seen growth decline significantly thereafter, with the UK outperforming on many measures. So when compared to similar countries the UK performance can be considered rather good, making the posters comment valid. Could Labour have done better? We will never know. Your comment assumes that they would which maybe you can support?

I'm not bothering to lead you through it again. Read Mainly Macro, or don't. The facts remain the facts, and the financially illiterate remain the financially illiterate.

So you can't, glad we cleared that up.

That is the equivalent of a five year old saying 'I know you are, but what am I?'

You have not covered yourself in glory.

You keep saying the current Govt has done a shit job, yes, debt has grown, part of the problem of inheriting a structural deficit. You describe anyone who suggests that against most measures it has done done reasonable job and has outperformed most advanced economies over the period as illiterate. What you don't say is how you support that _iew other than to ask us to believe you or read your preferred analysis. In life performance is most often measured as how you perform against your peers. So I am genuinely interested to hear what you think would have been a reasonable performance and what could have been done differently. Enlighten us.

On the contrary, I have said none of this.

I pointed out that those who believe that the Labour Party were tanking the economy in 2010 and George Osborne was it's saviour are financially illiterate. Once again, this is a matter of fact.

As to what happened after, I made no comment. You've invented my 'commentary' to try to obscure why you are avoiding arguing the facts.

However, there is enough evidence to indicate that any financial success experienced under Osborne as a chancellor has been achieved by blind luck rather than design, and plenty of evidence to indicate that these lucky blips are not going to save us from the disaster that the most incompetent chancellor in living memory is determined to steer us towards.

I've wasted enough time on Fab trying to explain these things to people who will never grasp them, so I'll make it short and sweet: read Mainly Macro. You either understand it or you don't.

It really makes no difference though, the ship of fools has another four years to run its course. The state of the economy in 2020 will not be pretty."

Thank you. I've said before on here that history will _iew Darling and Brown as having performed incredibly well during the financial crisis. Grudgingly you seem to accept that, whether by luck or judgement there have been some successes under this govt. Whether we are heading towards disaster time will tell. So there is evidence to support the fact that both Labour did a reasonable job post 2008 and that the Tories have had some success since 2010. Seems like it is possible to have differing _iews on the success of economic policy without the insults. Progress!

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over a year ago


"Seems like it is possible to have differing _iews on the success of economic policy without the insults. Progress!"

Good, now since this is a swinging website, you guys should fuck to make up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Seems like it is possible to have differing _iews on the success of economic policy without the insults. Progress!

Good, now since this is a swinging website, you guys should fuck to make up "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Structural deficit

Deficit

Gov debt

Infrastructure debt

These are just words...

What we're actually talking about is money creation and in particular how to create money when the private sectors is not borrowing and therefore not creating money!.

They use this as a weapon against each other's ideology, when in fact they both know the gov HAS to borrow money at times when the private sector debt has strangled itself!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whilst there can be little doubt that Call-Me-Dave's upbringing and privileged lifestyle has had an effect on the way he _iews things, I don't think it's particularly helpful to dwell on that. Tony Benn was posher.

Although I dislike everything he stands for I have no particular feelings against him personally, other than as a Tory he stands for self-interest and those kind of people don't appeal to me - he will probably look like a saint if ever George Osborne gets the top job though and sane if it's Boris.

He is certainly a fairly effective politician.

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By *oachman 9CoolMan
over a year ago

derby


"I like the german guy on goggle box that says camerooon lol xx"
I like camerooons their not the same family are they..

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

He must be shit. It seems that most on here can do a much better job. If only these people would stand and save us all.

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

CANTERBURY

I truly believe that he is out of his depth and was lucky last year that the alternative was Ed Milliband and not Ed's brother.

In a couple of months, he will come back from Europe with some stale crumbs and try to persuade us that it is a fresh cake....that will define his abilities.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I truly believe that he is out of his depth and was lucky last year that the alternative was Ed Milliband and not Ed's brother.

"

And whose fault is that???!!!

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

CANTERBURY


"I truly believe that he is out of his depth and was lucky last year that the alternative was Ed Milliband and not Ed's brother.

And whose fault is that???!!!"

Exactly. ...

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By *espectful chap 99Man
over a year ago

Preston

Cameron is a twat! Been over to my village that I grew up in today (croston), promising more money for flood defences!! It's too late now matey!

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"I truly believe that he is out of his depth and was lucky last year that the alternative was Ed Milliband and not Ed's brother.

In a couple of months, he will come back from Europe with some stale crumbs and try to persuade us that it is a fresh cake....that will define his abilities. "

Cameron has proved himself to be a complete sap of a leader on the EU. His so called renegotiation is a joke! He (and the rest of the political elite establishment) deserve to have their asses kicked in the upcoming EU referendum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I truly believe that he is out of his depth and was lucky last year that the alternative was Ed Milliband and not Ed's brother.

And whose fault is that???!!!

Exactly. ..."

The irony is that David Cameron indirectly got elected because of a group of labour voters ...(aka the looney left)

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

CANTERBURY


"I truly believe that he is out of his depth and was lucky last year that the alternative was Ed Milliband and not Ed's brother.

And whose fault is that???!!!

Exactly. ...

The irony is that David Cameron indirectly got elected because of a group of labour voters ...(aka the looney left) "

The truth is that we rarely get truly able people at the top. I have a feeling that most of the political hierarchy, regardless of their political allegiance would fail to deliver in the real world.

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By *htcMan
over a year ago

MK

Not a great leader. farage would have made a better leader and put Britain first instead of the current where we are the least priority.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I truly believe that he is out of his depth and was lucky last year that the alternative was Ed Milliband and not Ed's brother.

And whose fault is that???!!!

Exactly. ...

The irony is that David Cameron indirectly got elected because of a group of labour voters ...(aka the looney left)

The truth is that we rarely get truly able people at the top. I have a feeling that most of the political hierarchy, regardless of their political allegiance would fail to deliver in the real world. "

I agree with that as a general trend, although David M. seems to have transitioned quite well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Here's a question.

What do you do when there's nobody left to borrow to and the credit line has gone nuts!!!.

Answer that and then get back to me with your left wing right wing bollocks.

When your working in ios... Your working in ios... When your working in windows 10 your working in windows 10.

There's no escaping the software!

Now hardware you can do anything with... Including letting people who gamble go bust... Debit money credit experience!.

Now ask yourself, all those companies that made huge errors of judgement, did they go bankrupt like they should have done or did they get "bailed out"...

People who bought ridiculously over prices houses thinking they could make money... Did they go bust or did they get bailed out!!

My answer is they should have gone bust, because that's capitalism, but they didn't because that's capitalism with bribery!.

The real answer is there going bust right now but being allowed time to bail out through manipulation of the people!.

Time moves on... History rarely changes!

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

CANTERBURY


"Here's a question.

What do you do when there's nobody left to borrow to and the credit line has gone nuts!!!.

Answer that and then get back to me with your left wing right wing bollocks.

When your working in ios... Your working in ios... When your working in windows 10 your working in windows 10.

There's no escaping the software!

Now hardware you can do anything with... Including letting people who gamble go bust... Debit money credit experience!.

Now ask yourself, all those companies that made huge errors of judgement, did they go bankrupt like they should have done or did they get "bailed out"...

People who bought ridiculously over prices houses thinking they could make money... Did they go bust or did they get bailed out!!

My answer is they should have gone bust, because that's capitalism, but they didn't because that's capitalism with bribery!.

The real answer is there going bust right now but being allowed time to bail out through manipulation of the people!.

Time moves on... History rarely changes!"

Err .......is the answer "The 1966 Grand National" or have I misinterpreted your question?

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

Anything and anybody is better than the looney left

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here's a question.

What do you do when there's nobody left to borrow to and the credit line has gone nuts!!!.

Answer that and then get back to me with your left wing right wing bollocks.

When your working in ios... Your working in ios... When your working in windows 10 your working in windows 10.

There's no escaping the software!

Now hardware you can do anything with... Including letting people who gamble go bust... Debit money credit experience!.

Now ask yourself, all those companies that made huge errors of judgement, did they go bankrupt like they should have done or did they get "bailed out"...

People who bought ridiculously over prices houses thinking they could make money... Did they go bust or did they get bailed out!!

My answer is they should have gone bust, because that's capitalism, but they didn't because that's capitalism with bribery!.

The real answer is there going bust right now but being allowed time to bail out through manipulation of the people!.

Time moves on... History rarely changes!

Err .......is the answer "The 1966 Grand National" or have I misinterpreted your question? "
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The answer is your being played for fools by people who are smarter than you!.

Get busy living or get busy dying!

Me, I gave up the "wanting" years ago

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"He's a rich Tory cunt.

That is all "

As opposed to all the rich labour cunts...

It doesn't matter what party they're from, none of them are for the people.

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By *ikeC2012Man
over a year ago

Peterborough


"Scum.

Basically."

Quite

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over a year ago

Will

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over a year ago

This

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over a year ago

Ever

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over a year ago

End?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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I'm not rich but I do have empathy. I'd imagine the rich hate the way socialists treat them with contempt, constantly imply they don't deserve their wealth and scheme about ways to forcibly get more of it from them. "

The rich under a socialist government could still easily live very comfortably with money to zpare. Unlike the poor u der a right wing one. Why this government is going for the less well off, in particular with serious illness and severely disabled who need a spare room to store equipment is beyond me. Why can't they be exempt from the bedroom tax/spare room subsidy as they call it? The money the government would loose would be poultry.

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