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"If you go to a psychic church they aren't doing it for money. They are doing it to give comfort to the bereaved " they are doing it to mislead the bereaved. | |||
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"If you go to a psychic church they aren't doing it for money. They are doing it to give comfort to the bereaved " They do it to manipulate Comfort can be better given in a vast number of honest caring ways | |||
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"If you go to a psychic church they aren't doing it for money. They are doing it to give comfort to the bereaved " Doesn't make them any less fake. Just that what they get out of it isn't money. | |||
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"All the ones on TVs are fake. There are genuine ones out here that only wish to help with no money changing hands " There are but they are rarer than compassion on an internet forum. I question their source of information too. | |||
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"If you go to a psychic church they aren't doing it for money. They are doing it to give comfort to the bereaved They do it to manipulate Comfort can be better given in a vast number of honest caring ways " Why would they want to manipulate? Can people not do something in this world nowadays without some ulterior motive | |||
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"If you go to a psychic church they aren't doing it for money. They are doing it to give comfort to the bereaved They do it to manipulate Comfort can be better given in a vast number of honest caring ways Why would they want to manipulate? Can people not do something in this world nowadays without some ulterior motive " There are a thousand reasons. Here are some: They feel empowered They feel important They feel they are helping the bereaved They enjoy it They believe in their 'ability' None of those things makes them any less fake than someone who charges money for the same fakery. | |||
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"and i believe there is a after life too "Well you are free to do so. However, it is not a rational belief. | |||
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"real or fake ? i believe some truth in them x " Charlatans that take advantage of pols sorry and fragile state of mind | |||
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"real or fake ? i believe some truth in them x Charlatans that take advantage of pols sorry and fragile state of mind" grrr hate spell check that's ppls sorrow | |||
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"If you go to a psychic church they aren't doing it for money. They are doing it to give comfort to the bereaved They do it to manipulate Comfort can be better given in a vast number of honest caring ways Why would they want to manipulate? Can people not do something in this world nowadays without some ulterior motive There are a thousand reasons. Here are some: They feel empowered They feel important They feel they are helping the bereaved They enjoy it They believe in their 'ability' None of those things makes them any less fake than someone who charges money for the same fakery." Yes I agree with you that a lot of supposed mediums are fake and probably for those reasons but I also believe there are real ones out there. It's so easy to cold read someone so there are plenty of fakes out there but if they are genuine they would be able to tell you things they couldn't possibly know through fudbook or watching your reactions. | |||
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"If you go to a psychic church they aren't doing it for money. They are doing it to give comfort to the bereaved They do it to manipulate Comfort can be better given in a vast number of honest caring ways Why would they want to manipulate? Can people not do something in this world nowadays without some ulterior motive There are a thousand reasons. Here are some: They feel empowered They feel important They feel they are helping the bereaved They enjoy it They believe in their 'ability' None of those things makes them any less fake than someone who charges money for the same fakery. Yes I agree with you that a lot of supposed mediums are fake and probably for those reasons but I also believe there are real ones out there. It's so easy to cold read someone so there are plenty of fakes out there but if they are genuine they would be able to tell you things they couldn't possibly know through fudbook or watching your reactions. " People who believe a clairvoyant has given them information that was impossible to know are not the best judges of their experience. | |||
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" People who believe a clairvoyant has given them information that was impossible to know are not the best judges of their experience." Right  thanks for the insult 
I'm not explaining the reason why I believe there are real mediums out there but I do. I'm sane of mind and know what I believe to be true.
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" People who believe a clairvoyant has given them information that was impossible to know are not the best judges of their experience. Right thanks for the insult
I'm not explaining the reason why I believe there are real mediums out there but I do. I'm sane of mind and know what I believe to be true.
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" People who believe a clairvoyant has given them information that was impossible to know are not the best judges of their experience. Right thanks for the insult
I'm not explaining the reason why I believe there are real mediums out there but I do. I'm sane of mind and know what I believe to be true.
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" People who believe a clairvoyant has given them information that was impossible to know are not the best judges of their experience. Right thanks for the insult
I'm not explaining the reason why I believe there are real mediums out there but I do. I'm sane of mind and know what I believe to be true.
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" People who believe a clairvoyant has given them information that was impossible to know are not the best judges of their experience. Right thanks for the insult
I'm not explaining the reason why I believe there are real mediums out there but I do. I'm sane of mind and know what I believe to be true.
What insult?"I picked your post up wrong then sorry. Why wouldn't they be the best judge of their experience? | |||
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when my mate went his car brokedown on the way  you would have thought she'd have seen it coming  | |||
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" People who believe a clairvoyant has given them information that was impossible to know are not the best judges of their experience. Right thanks for the insult
I'm not explaining the reason why I believe there are real mediums out there but I do. I'm sane of mind and know what I believe to be true.
What insult?
I picked your post up wrong then sorry. Why wouldn't they be the best judge of their experience? "Because they are not impartial observers. They are people who have gone to a clairvoyant expecting to hear something, and believe that they will hear something. | |||
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" People who believe a clairvoyant has given them information that was impossible to know are not the best judges of their experience. Right thanks for the insult
I'm not explaining the reason why I believe there are real mediums out there but I do. I'm sane of mind and know what I believe to be true.
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I picked your post up wrong then sorry. Why wouldn't they be the best judge of their experience?
Because they are not impartial observers. They are people who have gone to a clairvoyant expecting to hear something, and believe that they will hear something."Yes I agree with that but some of the things I have heard from people to myself and others are so specific they couldn't have possibly have known. | |||
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" People who believe a clairvoyant has given them information that was impossible to know are not the best judges of their experience. Right thanks for the insult
I'm not explaining the reason why I believe there are real mediums out there but I do. I'm sane of mind and know what I believe to be true.
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I picked your post up wrong then sorry. Why wouldn't they be the best judge of their experience?
Because they are not impartial observers. They are people who have gone to a clairvoyant expecting to hear something, and believe that they will hear something.
Yes I agree with that but some of the things I have heard from people to myself and others are so specific they couldn't have possibly have known. "same with me too they couldnt possibly have known i also have faith in the tarrot too and regularly deal myself a hand x | |||
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"All the ones on TVs are fake. There are genuine ones out here that only wish to help with no money changing hands " If a supposed clairvoyant thinks they're helping then they're deluded and he they're not making money from it then they're stupid too | |||
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" People who believe a clairvoyant has given them information that was impossible to know are not the best judges of their experience. Right thanks for the insult
I'm not explaining the reason why I believe there are real mediums out there but I do. I'm sane of mind and know what I believe to be true.
"Derren brown convinces people he knows things about themselves that no one could ever know . He just does not pretend he is talking to non existent dead people He is not the only one with the knowledge xx | |||
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" People who believe a clairvoyant has given them information that was impossible to know are not the best judges of their experience. Right thanks for the insult
I'm not explaining the reason why I believe there are real mediums out there but I do. I'm sane of mind and know what I believe to be true.
Derren brown convinces people he knows things about themselves that no one could ever know . He just does not pretend he is talking to non existent dead people
He is not the only one with the knowledge xx
"How did she know i would get pregnant three times but only carry one full term , was it a lucky guess ? | |||
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" People who believe a clairvoyant has given them information that was impossible to know are not the best judges of their experience. Right thanks for the insult
I'm not explaining the reason why I believe there are real mediums out there but I do. I'm sane of mind and know what I believe to be true.
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I picked your post up wrong then sorry. Why wouldn't they be the best judge of their experience?
Because they are not impartial observers. They are people who have gone to a clairvoyant expecting to hear something, and believe that they will hear something.
Yes I agree with that but some of the things I have heard from people to myself and others are so specific they couldn't have possibly have known. same with me too they couldnt possibly have known i also have faith in the tarrot too and regularly deal myself a hand x "It is obvious you want to be convinced ? Because you have been convinced by a person Who has trained for many years specifically to convince people they know things that supposedly could not be known. I would take a little more convincing . I would need to have a closed environment where specific questions were asked as apposed to information given I convince many people each year I have knowledge they think I could not know and it's great to watch as they cannot fathom my ability But then I tell them xx | |||
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" People who believe a clairvoyant has given them information that was impossible to know are not the best judges of their experience. Right thanks for the insult
I'm not explaining the reason why I believe there are real mediums out there but I do. I'm sane of mind and know what I believe to be true.
Derren brown convinces people he knows things about themselves that no one could ever know . He just does not pretend he is talking to non existent dead people
He is not the only one with the knowledge xx
How did she know i would get pregnant three times but only carry one full term , was it a lucky guess ?"If you're convinced, the science , psychology and maths won't mean anything to you . So to be clear you are convinced she KNEW those future events would absolutely happen and it had been pre destined xx interesting gift testable too xx | |||
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"the mediums ive encountered are humble run of the mill folk wanting to help people there not stage clairvoyants and havnt spent years studying claivoyantcy there just mr or mrs jo bloggs next door type x "No one pretending to talk to dead people are humble xx | |||
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"the mediums ive encountered are humble run of the mill folk wanting to help people there not stage clairvoyants and havnt spent years studying claivoyantcy there just mr or mrs jo bloggs next door type x
No one pretending to talk to dead people are humble xx"this is a matter of opinion and im entitled to mine as you are yours | |||
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" People who believe a clairvoyant has given them information that was impossible to know are not the best judges of their experience. Right thanks for the insult
I'm not explaining the reason why I believe there are real mediums out there but I do. I'm sane of mind and know what I believe to be true.
Derren brown convinces people he knows things about themselves that no one could ever know . He just does not pretend he is talking to non existent dead people
He is not the only one with the knowledge xx
"Darren Brown rubbishes clairvoyants. Quite rightly. And I have every respect for him for doing that. | |||
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"Never say never X There's something mysterious X "Your right i dont know what to think and about god too I really dont so I keep a open mind on it all in hope one day I may find out. | |||
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"the mediums ive encountered are humble run of the mill folk wanting to help people there not stage clairvoyants and havnt spent years studying claivoyantcy there just mr or mrs jo bloggs next door type x
No one pretending to talk to dead people are humble xxthis is a matter of opinion and im entitled to mine as you are yours "This is most true x So I ask this hypothetical question , if I was right and all clairvoyants are only pretending to talk to the dead , what would your opinion of their deception be? I will reverse the question to myself IF a minority of clairvoyants could really talk to ex humans and indeed have insight into things we cannot discover for ourselves I would be furious that such a talent was not being used for police and military work . Discovering where terrorists are where murderers and rapists are where bodies are . Where danger is present . Instead of just , merely only offering slight comfort to the bereaved why a honest claivoyantcy would not daily prove their connection by preventing harm and finding bad people The very knowledge itself that people actually could do this would prevent some crime The validity of the skill would be beyond question there is zero need for any genuine clairvoyant to live in a realm of ambiguity proving such an ability would be so easy The total lack of any human who makes such claims , passing any validity test leads us to a reasoned conclusion there is very very little chance of plausibility xx | |||
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"Charlatans each and every one of them.. "That can't be true, haven't you seen 'Ghost'?? | |||
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"I am getting the word NONCE " Phoenix Nights....brilliant. | |||
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"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake. BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages " Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense Optical illusions are not perceivable if one has no indication that it is an illusion | |||
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"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake. BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense Optical illusions are not perceivable if one has no indication that it is an illusion" the most common one of these is seeing faces appearing in patterns yes ur right ur brain does to try to make sense out of what may seem chaos however the spirit is unmistakable once experienced x  | |||
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"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake. BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense Optical illusions are not perceivable if one has no indication that it is an illusionthe most common one of these is seeing faces appearing in patterns yes ur right ur brain does to try to make sense out of what may seem chaos however the spirit is unmistakable once experienced x "I'd agree it's unmistakable, I've experienced what could be termed spirit thousands of times and it is unmistakeably a manifestation from my neurons xxx | |||
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"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake. BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex human I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense Optical illusions are not perceivable if one has no indication that it is an illusionthe most common one of these is seeing faces appearing in patterns yes ur right ur brain does to try to make sense out of what may seem chaos however the spirit is unmistakable once experienced x
I'd agree it's unmistakable, I've experienced what could be termed spirit thousands of times and it is unmistakeably a manifestation from my neurons xxx"a true sceptic no doubt | |||
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"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake. BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense Optical illusions are not perceivable if one has no indication that it is an illusion" Please don't tell me what you think I may or may not have seen. I and other family members have seen many things in our house. Lots at the same time . | |||
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"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake. BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense Optical illusions are not perceivable if one has no indication that it is an illusion Please don't tell me what you think I may or may not have seen. I and other family members have seen many things in our house. Lots at the same time ." me and my friends have witnessed similar on many occation all sane all sober and TRUE ! | |||
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"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake. BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense Optical illusions are not perceivable if one has no indication that it is an illusion Please don't tell me what you think I may or may not have seen. I and other family members have seen many things in our house. Lots at the same time ." Explain to me what seeing is ? | |||
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"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake. BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense Optical illusions are not perceivable if one has no indication that it is an illusionthe most common one of these is seeing faces appearing in patterns yes ur right ur brain does to try to make sense out of what may seem chaos however the spirit is unmistakable once experienced x
I'd agree it's unmistakable, I've experienced what could be termed spirit thousands of times and it is unmistakeably a manifestation from my neurons xxx"Many people experience spiritual happenings that are real and nothing to do with neurons. Your _iew is narrow minded and lacking open minded intelligent thinking. | |||
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"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake. BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense Optical illusions are not perceivable if one has no indication that it is an illusionthe most common one of these is seeing faces appearing in patterns yes ur right ur brain does to try to make sense out of what may seem chaos however the spirit is unmistakable once experienced x
I'd agree it's unmistakable, I've experienced what could be termed spirit thousands of times and it is unmistakeably a manifestation from my neurons xxxMany people experience spiritual happenings that are real and nothing to do with neurons. Your _iew is narrow minded and lacking open minded intelligent thinking."too right im glad someone else sees this too x | |||
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"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake. BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense Optical illusions are not perceivable if one has no indication that it is an illusionthe most common one of these is seeing faces appearing in patterns yes ur right ur brain does to try to make sense out of what may seem chaos however the spirit is unmistakable once experienced x
I'd agree it's unmistakable, I've experienced what could be termed spirit thousands of times and it is unmistakeably a manifestation from my neurons xxxMany people experience spiritual happenings that are real and nothing to do with neurons. Your _iew is narrow minded and lacking open minded intelligent thinking."And your evidence that neurons and light are not the causation of a spiritual feeling is ? | |||
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"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake. BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense Optical illusions are not perceivable if one has no indication that it is an illusionthe most common one of these is seeing faces appearing in patterns yes ur right ur brain does to try to make sense out of what may seem chaos however the spirit is unmistakable once experienced x
I'd agree it's unmistakable, I've experienced what could be termed spirit thousands of times and it is unmistakeably a manifestation from my neurons xxxMany people experience spiritual happenings that are real and nothing to do with neurons. Your _iew is narrow minded and lacking open minded intelligent thinking.
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"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake. BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense Optical illusions are not perceivable if one has no indication that it is an illusionthe most common one of these is seeing faces appearing in patterns yes ur right ur brain does to try to make sense out of what may seem chaos however the spirit is unmistakable once experienced x
I'd agree it's unmistakable, I've experienced what could be termed spirit thousands of times and it is unmistakeably a manifestation from my neurons xxxMany people experience spiritual happenings that are real and nothing to do with neurons. Your _iew is narrow minded and lacking open minded intelligent thinking.
And your evidence that neurons and light are not the causation of a spiritual feeling is ?"A Phd in physics so i have plenty of understanding of how the brain works and have researched the topic that is under discussion for almost 40 years. And your qualification is? | |||
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"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake. BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense Optical illusions are not perceivable if one has no indication that it is an illusionthe most common one of these is seeing faces appearing in patterns yes ur right ur brain does to try to make sense out of what may seem chaos however the spirit is unmistakable once experienced x
I'd agree it's unmistakable, I've experienced what could be termed spirit thousands of times and it is unmistakeably a manifestation from my neurons xxxMany people experience spiritual happenings that are real and nothing to do with neurons. Your _iew is narrow minded and lacking open minded intelligent thinking."Lol aw thank you for the ad hominem xxx So you tell a wild , non substantiated statistically implausible explanation for something your mind has experienced. I doubt not your experience. I question your conclusion but not your intelligence And your me not accepting your one steadfast conclusion is evidence to you me my lack of open mind or intelligence I don't know what you saw, or how or where or any of the vast number of circumstances I have the open mind to realise it could be any number of plausible explanations There is zero data to mildly suggest a human continues after its death , and to simply attribute visual input of something unknown as an absolute proof of a mythical concept is beyond what I'm able to do | |||
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"All these tarot cards and other forms of reading or divination - it's you. " Yes! I wish people would realise the power they hold within their selves | |||
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"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake. BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense Optical illusions are not perceivable if one has no indication that it is an illusionthe most common one of these is seeing faces appearing in patterns yes ur right ur brain does to try to make sense out of what may seem chaos however the spirit is unmistakable once experienced x
I'd agree it's unmistakable, I've experienced what could be termed spirit thousands of times and it is unmistakeably a manifestation from my neurons xxxMany people experience spiritual happenings that are real and nothing to do with neurons. Your _iew is narrow minded and lacking open minded intelligent thinking.
Lol aw thank you for the ad hominem xxx
So you tell a wild , non substantiated statistically implausible explanation for something your mind has experienced. I doubt not your experience. I question your conclusion but not your intelligence
And your me not accepting your one steadfast conclusion is evidence to you me my lack of open mind or intelligence
I don't know what you saw, or how or where or any of the vast number of circumstances
I have the open mind to realise it could be any number of plausible explanations
There is zero data to mildly suggest a human continues after its death , and to simply attribute visual input of something unknown as an absolute proof of a mythical concept is beyond what I'm able to do
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"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake. BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense Optical illusions are not perceivable if one has no indication that it is an illusionthe most common one of these is seeing faces appearing in patterns yes ur right ur brain does to try to make sense out of what may seem chaos however the spirit is unmistakable once experienced x
I'd agree it's unmistakable, I've experienced what could be termed spirit thousands of times and it is unmistakeably a manifestation from my neurons xxxMany people experience spiritual happenings that are real and nothing to do with neurons. Your _iew is narrow minded and lacking open minded intelligent thinking.
And your evidence that neurons and light are not the causation of a spiritual feeling is ?
And your evidence that they are is?
You are misconceiving the fundamental ground of science.
That is fine. Do not cast aside perception."A vast resource of Brain surgical procedures, brain traumas and of course drugs Not sure I cast aside perception , I'd say that's exactly what I'm discussing , how the neurons that are you perceive the world and the way the interface constructs that image ? | |||
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"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake. BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense Optical illusions are not perceivable if one has no indication that it is an illusionthe most common one of these is seeing faces appearing in patterns yes ur right ur brain does to try to make sense out of what may seem chaos however the spirit is unmistakable once experienced x
I'd agree it's unmistakable, I've experienced what could be termed spirit thousands of times and it is unmistakeably a manifestation from my neurons xxxMany people experience spiritual happenings that are real and nothing to do with neurons. Your _iew is narrow minded and lacking open minded intelligent thinking.
Lol aw thank you for the ad hominem xxx
So you tell a wild , non substantiated statistically implausible explanation for something your mind has experienced. I doubt not your experience. I question your conclusion but not your intelligence
And your me not accepting your one steadfast conclusion is evidence to you me my lack of open mind or intelligence
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I have the open mind to realise it could be any number of plausible explanations
There is zero data to mildly suggest a human continues after its death , and to simply attribute visual input of something unknown as an absolute proof of a mythical concept is beyond what I'm able to do
that is just a load of gobbldy goop ,your beliefs and ours differ so stop trying to convert us "I would not try to convert you I'm saying your conviction is not convincing . Glad your happy with your conclusion but declaring what your mind has perceived in an open forum suggesting it is conclusive does not make it so just as me articulating why you are not convincing does not prove ghosts are not real | |||
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"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake. BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense Optical illusions are not perceivable if one has no indication that it is an illusionthe most common one of these is seeing faces appearing in patterns yes ur right ur brain does to try to make sense out of what may seem chaos however the spirit is unmistakable once experienced x
I'd agree it's unmistakable, I've experienced what could be termed spirit thousands of times and it is unmistakeably a manifestation from my neurons xxxMany people experience spiritual happenings that are real and nothing to do with neurons. Your _iew is narrow minded and lacking open minded intelligent thinking.
And your evidence that neurons and light are not the causation of a spiritual feeling is ?A Phd in physics so i have plenty of understanding of how the brain works and have researched the topic that is under discussion for almost 40 years. And your qualification is? "Oh, a Phd in physics. Great. Does that make you insensitive to anything that does not fall within your discipline? I do understand the scientific approach. I just think it is a bit limiting. No. I have no science qualifications. So you can of course disregard my comments and rely instead on your comfy conclusions. On the other hand, if qualifications are of significance to you, I do have one or two. I think you are missing the point. Science attempts to theorise observable and repeatable events. That is good. Science disregards belief and odd experiences. A scientist, however, should be open minded. Your Phd should not in any way make you close minded. It should make you the opposite. | |||
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"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake. BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense Optical illusions are not perceivable if one has no indication that it is an illusionthe most common one of these is seeing faces appearing in patterns yes ur right ur brain does to try to make sense out of what may seem chaos however the spirit is unmistakable once experienced x
I'd agree it's unmistakable, I've experienced what could be termed spirit thousands of times and it is unmistakeably a manifestation from my neurons xxxMany people experience spiritual happenings that are real and nothing to do with neurons. Your _iew is narrow minded and lacking open minded intelligent thinking.
And your evidence that neurons and light are not the causation of a spiritual feeling is ?
And your evidence that they are is?
You are misconceiving the fundamental ground of science.
That is fine. Do not cast aside perception.
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Not sure I cast aside perception , I'd say that's exactly what I'm discussing , how the neurons that are you perceive the world and the way the interface constructs that image ?"Oh that and over a million documented optical and aural illusion experiments Shall we start with ink blot butterflies.. or the hollow mask effect, maybe a few perspective illusions Surely if one had an open mind one would have to rule out the many many differing ways our mind can misperceive light and sound before one ventured to statistically less plausible realms I mean if we are going down non plausible surely all so called ghost sightings are actually caused by a government mind control department wirelessly projecting the images into your brains and that cannot be disproved and thus by your logic you MUST have an open mind to it ? | |||
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"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake. BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense Optical illusions are not perceivable if one has no indication that it is an illusionthe most common one of these is seeing faces appearing in patterns yes ur right ur brain does to try to make sense out of what may seem chaos however the spirit is unmistakable once experienced x
I'd agree it's unmistakable, I've experienced what could be termed spirit thousands of times and it is unmistakeably a manifestation from my neurons xxxMany people experience spiritual happenings that are real and nothing to do with neurons. Your _iew is narrow minded and lacking open minded intelligent thinking.
And your evidence that neurons and light are not the causation of a spiritual feeling is ?A Phd in physics so i have plenty of understanding of how the brain works and have researched the topic that is under discussion for almost 40 years. And your qualification is?
Oh, a Phd in physics. Great. Does that make you insensitive to anything that does not fall within your discipline?
I do understand the scientific approach. I just think it is a bit limiting.
No. I have no science qualifications. So you can of course disregard my comments and rely instead on your comfy conclusions.
On the other hand, if qualifications are of significance to you, I do have one or two.
I think you are missing the point. Science attempts to theorise observable and repeatable events. That is good. Science disregards belief and odd experiences.
A scientist, however, should be open minded.
Your Phd should not in any way make you close minded. It should make you the opposite."Aw bless you but be a little more perceptive , he was having a go at me lol | |||
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I'd agree it's unmistakable, I've experienced what could be termed spirit thousands of times and it is unmistakeably a manifestation from my neurons xxxMany people experience spiritual happenings that are real and nothing to do with neurons. Your _iew is narrow minded and lacking open minded intelligent thinking.
Lol aw thank you for the ad hominem xxx
So you tell a wild , non substantiated statistically implausible explanation for something your mind has experienced. I doubt not your experience. I question your conclusion but not your intelligence
And your me not accepting your one steadfast conclusion is evidence to you me my lack of open mind or intelligence
I don't know what you saw, or how or where or any of the vast number of circumstances
I have the open mind to realise it could be any number of plausible explanations
There is zero data to mildly suggest a human continues after its death , and to simply attribute visual input of something unknown as an absolute proof of a mythical concept is beyond what I'm able to do
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"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake. BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense Optical illusions are not perceivable if one has no indication that it is an illusionthe most common one of these is seeing faces appearing in patterns yes ur right ur brain does to try to make sense out of what may seem chaos however the spirit is unmistakable once experienced x
I'd agree it's unmistakable, I've experienced what could be termed spirit thousands of times and it is unmistakeably a manifestation from my neurons xxxMany people experience spiritual happenings that are real and nothing to do with neurons. Your _iew is narrow minded and lacking open minded intelligent thinking.
And your evidence that neurons and light are not the causation of a spiritual feeling is ?
And your evidence that they are is?
You are misconceiving the fundamental ground of science.
That is fine. Do not cast aside perception.
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Not sure I cast aside perception , I'd say that's exactly what I'm discussing , how the neurons that are you perceive the world and the way the interface constructs that image ?
Oh that and over a million documented optical and aural illusion experiments
Shall we start with ink blot butterflies.. or the hollow mask effect, maybe a few perspective illusions
Surely if one had an open mind one would have to rule out the many many differing ways our mind can misperceive light and sound before one ventured to statistically less plausible realms
I mean if we are going down non plausible surely all so called ghost sightings are actually caused by a government mind control department wirelessly projecting the images into your brains and that cannot be disproved and thus by your logic you MUST have an open mind to it ? "im a firm believer ive witnessed ive concluded and discussed my beliefs openly with many many people some judge im an idiot not worthy of intellectual discussion some belief too thats life plain and simple with or without a phd in physics | |||
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"Science is absolutely open minded. If you can prove something (which just means provide good reasons for believing something is true, after all), science will accept it. Feelings are not proof of anything. I can feel I'm the sexiest man on Fab, it doesn't make it true!" No, science is not open minded. It is a strict discipline. "Here is my theory, disprove it!" Well, my theory is that spirits occasionally visit me (and I am discounting those of the whiskey variety). Disprove it. | |||
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"Science is absolutely open minded. If you can prove something (which just means provide good reasons for believing something is true, after all), science will accept it. Feelings are not proof of anything. I can feel I'm the sexiest man on Fab, it doesn't make it true! No, science is not open minded. It is a strict discipline. "Here is my theory, disprove it!" Well, my theory is that spirits occasionally visit me (and I am discounting those of the whiskey variety). Disprove it." ur about to be blinded with science now lol x neurons, synapse ,transmitters and all that mallarky x | |||
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"Science is absolutely open minded. If you can prove something (which just means provide good reasons for believing something is true, after all), science will accept it. Feelings are not proof of anything. I can feel I'm the sexiest man on Fab, it doesn't make it true! No, science is not open minded. It is a strict discipline. "Here is my theory, disprove it!" Well, my theory is that spirits occasionally visit me (and I am discounting those of the whiskey variety). Disprove it." Well if we were to address your theory ? First we would have to clarify what you mean by a spirit | |||
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"I agree some are fakes but I do believe that there are genuine clairvoyants. I went to one who was spot on and knew things that no one would ever know apart from me x" i agree some are fakes and make a good living out of it but as u i too believe there are genuine clairvoyants and this gift is very real x | |||
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"I agree some are fakes but I do believe that there are genuine clairvoyants. I went to one who was spot on and knew things that no one would ever know apart from me x" Was his name Derren brown , he does that Or was it me ? I do that too | |||
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"Science is absolutely open minded. If you can prove something (which just means provide good reasons for believing something is true, after all), science will accept it. Feelings are not proof of anything. I can feel I'm the sexiest man on Fab, it doesn't make it true! No, science is not open minded. It is a strict discipline. "Here is my theory, disprove it!" Well, my theory is that spirits occasionally visit me (and I am discounting those of the whiskey variety). Disprove it. Well if we were to address your theory ? First we would have to clarify what you mean by a spirit" Oh and you realise that an assertion that a theory is correct is usually validated by duplication of results under controlled conditions ? | |||
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"Science is absolutely open minded. If you can prove something (which just means provide good reasons for believing something is true, after all), science will accept it. Feelings are not proof of anything. I can feel I'm the sexiest man on Fab, it doesn't make it true! No, science is not open minded. It is a strict discipline. "Here is my theory, disprove it!" Well, my theory is that spirits occasionally visit me (and I am discounting those of the whiskey variety). Disprove it. Well if we were to address your theory ? First we would have to clarify what you mean by a spirit" Of course. But I absolutely disagree that the scientific discipline is the be all and end all of human endeavour. Do you enjoy a piano concerto? An Eagles song? Have you ever experienced some event that is, on the face of it, inexplicable? It may not be a repeatable event and not open to scientific experimentation. I could not say come and observe me seeing dead people. It only happens occasionally, hence it is not open to scientific analysis, But as a scientist, you should not discount it but just put it aside for future examination. | |||
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as for ghosts seen a couple a monk years ago when I was about 8 in the cellar of the pub we had just moved to and the home I'm in now is haughnted by a young lady called Sarah.
We get strange goings on my mother didn't believe at all till she saw something.
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"I used to have traveler Gf .she was bloody good and didnt charge. She also did the churches and healing. For some it worked others they prepare ." prepare for what ? | |||
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"anyone been to a seyonce ? " I have done a number of ouija boards where the outcome words have been "kill James" the number of women who have then freaked out and said never again is amazing | |||
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"real or fake ? i believe some truth in them x " The only reason clairvoyants are seldom arrested for fraud, is that they are always one step ahead of the authorities...
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"If you go to a psychic church they aren't doing it for money. They are doing it to give comfort to the bereaved They do it to manipulate Comfort can be better given in a vast number of honest caring ways I agree there's loads of fakes but do believe some genuine ones as well I know too well some of the stuff they say to you they could not possibly know Why would they want to manipulate? Can people not do something in this world nowadays without some ulterior motive There are a thousand reasons. Here are some: They feel empowered They feel important They feel they are helping the bereaved They enjoy it They believe in their 'ability' None of those things makes them any less fake than someone who charges money for the same fakery. Yes I agree with you that a lot of supposed mediums are fake and probably for those reasons but I also believe there are real ones out there. It's so easy to cold read someone so there are plenty of fakes out there but if they are genuine they would be able to tell you things they couldn't possibly know through fudbook or watching your reactions. " | |||
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"and i believe there is a after life too
Well you are free to do so. However, it is not a rational belief."Not everything in life has to rational, especially when it comes to human emotions and how to deal with them. | |||
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" People who believe a clairvoyant has given them information that was impossible to know are not the best judges of their experience. Right thanks for the insult
I'm not explaining the reason why I believe there are real mediums out there but I do. I'm sane of mind and know what I believe to be true.
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"real or fake ? i believe some truth in them x " iirc there still that million dollar prize for anyone who can do it in lab conditions. ...still no winners. | |||
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" People who believe a clairvoyant has given them information that was impossible to know are not the best judges of their experience. Right thanks for the insult
I'm not explaining the reason why I believe there are real mediums out there but I do. I'm sane of mind and know what I believe to be true.
What insult?
I picked your post up wrong then sorry. Why wouldn't they be the best judge of their experience?
Because they are not impartial observers. They are people who have gone to a clairvoyant expecting to hear something, and believe that they will hear something.
Yes I agree with that but some of the things I have heard from people to myself and others are so specific they couldn't have possibly have known. "The fact that you don't know or understand how something was done or achieved does not mean that it's miraculous or spiritual; it maybe but it could also just as easily be a very good trick. Whilst I accept the possibly that there maybe something miraculous or spiritual going on I personally don't believe it and give little credence to such claims. I do believe in an after life but believe the dead belong with the dead and the living with the living and no crossover, except death, exists between the two. | |||
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"Against the tide of criticism here. I did tarot cards years ago. Never again. Nah, it is not science, as science is about theories and repeatable and evidentially visible results. Yes, there are some genuine spiritualists. Yes, there are some fakes." I think there maybe some, possibly a lot or even most, who believe they are genuine and some, again possibly most or even a lot, who know they are fakes. Unfortunately, even if they believe it themselves, it does not make it any more or less true or teal. | |||
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I'd agree it's unmistakable, I've experienced what could be termed spirit thousands of times and it is unmistakeably a manifestation from my neurons xxxMany people experience spiritual happenings that are real and nothing to do with neurons. Your _iew is narrow minded and lacking open minded intelligent thinking."Whether it's real or illusion it's got everything to do with neurons. It's only by our brains processing the information coming into it that we comprehend anything at all. That requires the firing of neurons. | |||
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"I'm inclined to think that it isn't possible to do clairvoyance at all and that the majority know that they are fraudulent. Some may have talented cold reading skills and kid themselves. The Randi foundation offer of $1 million for anyone who will perform an agreed test is still unclaimed after several decades - why would this be, if any seriously consider themselves honest and endowed (in a non-fab bloke way). Derren Brown has been admired for his psychic abilities - he has absolutely none. This demonstrates how easy it is for someone who sets out to convince others to actually do so. We all are full of distortions and biases in our perceptions - believers and skeptics alike. Controlled experiments are the way for honest woo purveyors to prove their claims. I'd like to see much more stringent controls on them selling their services." With you 100% | |||
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"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake. BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense Optical illusions are not perceivable if one has no indication that it is an illusionthe most common one of these is seeing faces appearing in patterns yes ur right ur brain does to try to make sense out of what may seem chaos however the spirit is unmistakable once experienced x
I'd agree it's unmistakable, I've experienced what could be termed spirit thousands of times and it is unmistakeably a manifestation from my neurons xxxMany people experience spiritual happenings that are real and nothing to do with neurons. Your _iew is narrow minded and lacking open minded intelligent thinking.
Lol aw thank you for the ad hominem xxx
So you tell a wild , non substantiated statistically implausible explanation for something your mind has experienced. I doubt not your experience. I question your conclusion but not your intelligence
And your me not accepting your one steadfast conclusion is evidence to you me my lack of open mind or intelligence
I don't know what you saw, or how or where or any of the vast number of circumstances
I have the open mind to realise it could be any number of plausible explanations
There is zero data to mildly suggest a human continues after its death , and to simply attribute visual input of something unknown as an absolute proof of a mythical concept is beyond what I'm able to do
There is far more evidence to suggest that life continues after bodily death than that it doesn't. There is no evidence to suggest that it doesn't."There's no evidence that invisible pixies don't live in my attic. I have heard strange noises coming from my attic at times which could be proof that something lives up there and that something could be invisible pixies. Trying to use proof for supporting unprovable beliefs is an exercise in futility either way. | |||
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"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake. BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense Optical illusions are not perceivable if one has no indication that it is an illusionthe most common one of these is seeing faces appearing in patterns yes ur right ur brain does to try to make sense out of what may seem chaos however the spirit is unmistakable once experienced x
I'd agree it's unmistakable, I've experienced what could be termed spirit thousands of times and it is unmistakeably a manifestation from my neurons xxxMany people experience spiritual happenings that are real and nothing to do with neurons. Your _iew is narrow minded and lacking open minded intelligent thinking.
Lol aw thank you for the ad hominem xxx
So you tell a wild , non substantiated statistically implausible explanation for something your mind has experienced. I doubt not your experience. I question your conclusion but not your intelligence
And your me not accepting your one steadfast conclusion is evidence to you me my lack of open mind or intelligence
I don't know what you saw, or how or where or any of the vast number of circumstances
I have the open mind to realise it could be any number of plausible explanations
There is zero data to mildly suggest a human continues after its death , and to simply attribute visual input of something unknown as an absolute proof of a mythical concept is beyond what I'm able to do
There is far more evidence to suggest that life continues after bodily death than that it doesn't. There is no evidence to suggest that it doesn't.
There's no evidence that invisible pixies don't live in my attic. I have heard strange noises coming from my attic at times which could be proof that something lives up there and that something could be invisible pixies.
Trying to use proof for supporting unprovable beliefs is an exercise in futility either way."very true indeed x | |||
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"Science is absolutely open minded. If you can prove something (which just means provide good reasons for believing something is true, after all), science will accept it. Feelings are not proof of anything. I can feel I'm the sexiest man on Fab, it doesn't make it true! No, science is not open minded. It is a strict discipline. "Here is my theory, disprove it!" Well, my theory is that spirits occasionally visit me (and I am discounting those of the whiskey variety). Disprove it." For the true scientific approach it is you who should try and disprove it first. Only after you are convinced that you cannot come up with any other reasonable or plausible explanation of the phenomenon should you then put your theory out there for others to question and disprove. Whilst you can believe that a spiritual or otherworldly explanation is the truth I'm sure you can also see that other explanations of the phenomenon are possible and probably plausible to. | |||
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"Science is absolutely open minded. If you can prove something (which just means provide good reasons for believing something is true, after all), science will accept it. Feelings are not proof of anything. I can feel I'm the sexiest man on Fab, it doesn't make it true! No, science is not open minded. It is a strict discipline. "Here is my theory, disprove it!" Well, my theory is that spirits occasionally visit me (and I am discounting those of the whiskey variety). Disprove it. For the true scientific approach it is you who should try and disprove it first. Only after you are convinced that you cannot come up with any other reasonable or plausible explanation of the phenomenon should you then put your theory out there for others to question and disprove. Whilst you can believe that a spiritual or otherworldly explanation is the truth I'm sure you can also see that other explanations of the phenomenon are possible and probably plausible to." yes of course however i have witnessed this first hand on a few occations and beleive this to be true x i accept it is a very grey area and everyone has there own perceptions and ideas on which they base their beliefs x | |||
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"I saw this clip yesterday, I think it answers perfectly the question as to whether clairvoyants are genuine or not Made me laugh.
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"It's amazing the number of people on here who are decrying psychics. A lot of them seem to be the same ones who defend religion. How bizarret." The main person decrying them is taoist who also generally attacks any beliefs that cannot be proven. Most others seem to be taking the _iew that, whilst there are many fakes, there may also be some genuine clairvoyants. I, as one of the ones that often defends religion, take the _iew that, whilst I accept it could possibly be true, I don't actually believe it to be true. That's not decrying it, it's just expressing my personal belief just like those that believe it. | |||
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"The vast, vast majority are fake." . By vast vast... I think you mean 100%. There the lowest people on earth, they prey on somebody with emotional weakness and exploit it for their own gain. I would give them 20 years hard labour | |||
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"the mediums ive encountered are humble run of the mill folk wanting to help people there not stage clairvoyants and havnt spent years studying claivoyantcy there just mr or mrs jo bloggs next door type x
No one pretending to talk to dead people are humble xxthis is a matter of opinion and im entitled to mine as you are yours
This is most true x
So I ask this hypothetical question , if I was right and all clairvoyants are only pretending to talk to the dead , what would your opinion of their deception be?
I will reverse the question to myself
IF a minority of clairvoyants could really talk to ex humans and indeed have insight into things we cannot discover for ourselves I would be furious that such a talent was not being used for police and military work . Discovering where terrorists are where murderers and rapists are where bodies are . Where danger is present . Instead of just , merely only offering slight comfort to the bereaved why a honest claivoyantcy would not daily prove their connection by preventing harm and finding bad people
The very knowledge itself that people actually could do this would prevent some crime
The validity of the skill would be beyond question there is zero need for any genuine clairvoyant to live in a realm of ambiguity proving such an ability would be so easy
The total lack of any human who makes such claims , passing any validity test leads us to a reasoned conclusion there is very very little chance of plausibility xx
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"The vast, vast majority are fake.. By vast vast... I think you mean 100%. There the lowest people on earth, they prey on somebody with emotional weakness and exploit it for their own gain. I would give them 20 years hard labour No I mean the vast, vast majority. "aha. Yeah but no but yeah,I was meaning to correct your hypothesis | |||
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"The vast, vast majority are fake.. By vast vast... I think you mean 100%. There the lowest people on earth, they prey on somebody with emotional weakness and exploit it for their own gain. I would give them 20 years hard labour No I mean the vast, vast majority.
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Yeah but no but yeah,I was meaning to correct your hypothesis "It wasn't a hypothesis as I understand it just a reflection of my experience in life | |||
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"The vast, vast majority are fake.. By vast vast... I think you mean 100%. There the lowest people on earth, they prey on somebody with emotional weakness and exploit it for their own gain. I would give them 20 years hard labour No I mean the vast, vast majority. "I would state that the vast, vast majority that is 100% are likely fake. If they can do reading after reading for others it would obviously be very easy to do verifiable analysis. And they could win the Randi foundation $1 million for proving psychic phenomenon exists. Simple really. No one has claimed the money because of the reasonable and plausible explanation that no one has any ability that is anything other than within our current understanding. | |||
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"The vast, vast majority are fake.. By vast vast... I think you mean 100%. There the lowest people on earth, they prey on somebody with emotional weakness and exploit it for their own gain. I would give them 20 years hard labour No I mean the vast, vast majority.
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Yeah but no but yeah,I was meaning to correct your hypothesis
It wasn't a hypothesis as I understand it just a reflection of my experience in life ". Life experiences can be very misleading. I find it quite fascinating the way we belive some stuff and dismiss others.. You see I have a problem with the super natural.. I don't belive in peter pan, Frankenstein or superman.. All I wanna do is bicycle!. The minute I submit to believing in mumbo jumbo, it just opens the floodgates to tooth fairy's, Santa, Thor, Bacchus, vampires, werewolves, ghosts, spiderman,, Zeus... There's a long long list of shit we've abandoned belief in, like drilling holes in skulls to release evil spirits, the earth being flat, volcanoe gods, gay being a choice... In the olden days some people used to think God had thrown a blanket over the earth giving us nighttime and that the stars were tiny holes in the blankets allowing his light to shine through! It kinda made sense to people who knew very little about astronomy or physics. Ahh but there's so much that we don't know!! Some people will cry... So let's make some shit up about it... Like blankets with holes in | |||
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"They are all fake. Anyone who disagrees is beneath me. " yeh right ! | |||
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"The vast, vast majority are fake.. By vast vast... I think you mean 100%. There the lowest people on earth, they prey on somebody with emotional weakness and exploit it for their own gain. I would give them 20 years hard labour No I mean the vast, vast majority.
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Yeah but no but yeah,I was meaning to correct your hypothesis
It wasn't a hypothesis as I understand it just a reflection of my experience in life .
Life experiences can be very misleading.
I find it quite fascinating the way we belive some stuff and dismiss others..
You see I have a problem with the super natural.. I don't belive in peter pan, Frankenstein or superman.. All I wanna do is bicycle!.
The minute I submit to believing in mumbo jumbo, it just opens the floodgates to tooth fairy's, Santa, Thor, Bacchus, vampires, werewolves, ghosts, spiderman,, Zeus...
There's a long long list of shit we've abandoned belief in, like drilling holes in skulls to release evil spirits, the earth being flat, volcanoe gods, gay being a choice...
In the olden days some people used to think God had thrown a blanket over the earth giving us nighttime and that the stars were tiny holes in the blankets allowing his light to shine through! It kinda made sense to people who knew very little about astronomy or physics.
Ahh but there's so much that we don't know!! Some people will cry... So let's make some shit up about it... Like blankets with holes in "I don't think you'll find that I've said anywhere that I believe in the supernatural. I do believe that you are believing what you want about me rather than what I've actually written | |||
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"If you want to believe, then you will." I keep believing as hard as I can that I'm very wealthy. Just checked my bank...no evidence | |||
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"I knew one once, biggest scammer ever" and did u report it ?? | |||
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"I knew one once, biggest scammer everand did u report it ?? "no, they didn't do anything to me to warrant me getting involved. I just got to know their character. what others do in life, is up to them | |||
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"The vast, vast majority are fake.. By vast vast... I think you mean 100%. There the lowest people on earth, they prey on somebody with emotional weakness and exploit it for their own gain. I would give them 20 years hard labour No I mean the vast, vast majority.
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Yeah but no but yeah,I was meaning to correct your hypothesis
It wasn't a hypothesis as I understand it just a reflection of my experience in life .
Life experiences can be very misleading.
I find it quite fascinating the way we belive some stuff and dismiss others..
You see I have a problem with the super natural.. I don't belive in peter pan, Frankenstein or superman.. All I wanna do is bicycle!.
The minute I submit to believing in mumbo jumbo, it just opens the floodgates to tooth fairy's, Santa, Thor, Bacchus, vampires, werewolves, ghosts, spiderman,, Zeus...
There's a long long list of shit we've abandoned belief in, like drilling holes in skulls to release evil spirits, the earth being flat, volcanoe gods, gay being a choice...
In the olden days some people used to think God had thrown a blanket over the earth giving us nighttime and that the stars were tiny holes in the blankets allowing his light to shine through! It kinda made sense to people who knew very little about astronomy or physics.
Ahh but there's so much that we don't know!! Some people will cry... So let's make some shit up about it... Like blankets with holes in "I've had a weird feeling since this thread began that you were going to say something along those lines. Maybe I'm psychic to!! | |||
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"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake. BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages " Same for me, although I can read photos, hard to explain but end of the day each to there own, always gonna get believers and non believers | |||
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"I met a smiling clairvoyant. I smaked her in the face. Well my dad said you should always strike a happy medium. "  | |||
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"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake. BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages Same for me, although I can read photos, hard to explain but end of the day each to there own, always gonna get believers and non believers "Ok I believe you But I would like to understand the mechanism behind your perception of ex living things Is the light you see reflected or emitted ? | |||
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"ive seen the light as have others and we will be belittled and made a mock of but i dont care a damn x "I certainly don't mock ! But I think it is perfectly reasonable, desirable and understandable to ask the question how a person knows they have seen "the"light as apposed to a light light in both cases light being a little metaphorical | |||
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"The vast, vast majority are fake.. By vast vast... I think you mean 100%. There the lowest people on earth, they prey on somebody with emotional weakness and exploit it for their own gain. I would give them 20 years hard labour No I mean the vast, vast majority.
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Yeah but no but yeah,I was meaning to correct your hypothesis
It wasn't a hypothesis as I understand it just a reflection of my experience in life .
Life experiences can be very misleading.
I find it quite fascinating the way we belive some stuff and dismiss others..
You see I have a problem with the super natural.. I don't belive in peter pan, Frankenstein or superman.. All I wanna do is bicycle!.
The minute I submit to believing in mumbo jumbo, it just opens the floodgates to tooth fairy's, Santa, Thor, Bacchus, vampires, werewolves, ghosts, spiderman,, Zeus...
There's a long long list of shit we've abandoned belief in, like drilling holes in skulls to release evil spirits, the earth being flat, volcanoe gods, gay being a choice...
In the olden days some people used to think God had thrown a blanket over the earth giving us nighttime and that the stars were tiny holes in the blankets allowing his light to shine through! It kinda made sense to people who knew very little about astronomy or physics.
Ahh but there's so much that we don't know!! Some people will cry... So let's make some shit up about it... Like blankets with holes in
I've had a weird feeling since this thread began that you were going to say something along those lines.
Maybe I'm psychic to!!". Yeah I knew you'd be reading, so the last paragraph was just for you... No esp needed | |||
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"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake. BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages Same for me, although I can read photos, hard to explain but end of the day each to there own, always gonna get believers and non believers
Ok I believe you
But I would like to understand the mechanism behind your perception of ex living things
Is the light you see reflected or emitted ?"As I said it's quite hard to explain,the pictures I have read from are ones of nothing as in people it's usually somebodies hallway or bedroom etc and I just pick things up, I have read from Windows where the flash as gone off and yes light does reflect objects I know but once I point out what I see 9/10 they can't see them,I've had so many experiences over the years that's happened and I couldn't have known but I've learnt to not bother speaking up as people think your either loony or fake.(doctors) | |||
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"ive seen the light as have others and we will be belittled and made a mock of but i dont care a damn x
I certainly don't mock ! But I think it is perfectly reasonable, desirable and understandable to ask the question how a person knows they have seen "the"light as apposed to a light light in both cases light being a little metaphorical
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"ive seen the light as have others and we will be belittled and made a mock of but i dont care a damn x
I certainly don't mock ! But I think it is perfectly reasonable, desirable and understandable to ask the question how a person knows they have seen "the"light as apposed to a light light in both cases light being a little metaphorical
if u had seen what i have u wudnt question "To be fair if I never seen or done what I have I would be intrigued to and still am to be honest. | |||
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"I can see this thread coming to an end soon." You have the gift,,,,, How's my auntie Mable doing,,,,? | |||
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"I can see this thread coming to an end soon. You have the gift,,,,, How's my auntie Mable doing,,,,? "Mable's marvellous. | |||
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"ive seen the light as have others and we will be belittled and made a mock of but i dont care a damn x
I certainly don't mock ! But I think it is perfectly reasonable, desirable and understandable to ask the question how a person knows they have seen "the"light as apposed to a light light in both cases light being a little metaphorical
if u had seen what i have u wudnt question "I question everything. In most cases seeing is mainly an illusion So what have you seen that convinced you I could be equality condescending, and suggest if you understood the things I do the way I do you would know what you saw could not be an ex living thing But that style of argument goes nowhere as it offers nothing to reason with And I have indeed seen a fair number of apparitions that indeed could be claimed to be ex living things or a number of the supernatural concepts xx | |||
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