FabSwingers.com forum: Are the oscars really racist?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

So with the nominations came the questions as to why no black actors or actresses were nominated for best actor. Are the reasons because there were no good films with black actors therefore none got nominated. Or is it simply the people who select the nominations being discriminative?

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah 12 years a slave definitely proved that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Or would the nominators be panned for nominating a black or other person of ethnic origin just because they felt the need to make it appear inclusive regardless of talent and quality of the film?

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By *aeBabeWoman
over a year ago

London

What?...

No.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Or would the nominators be panned for nominating a black or other person of ethnic origin just because they felt the need to make it appear inclusive regardless of talent and quality of the film?"

This actually happened one year when lots of black actors were nominated. Just can't win, huh?

-Courtney

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just to play devils advocate........ Are the mobo's racist??

Personally I don't think any of them are, it's just what's been good that past year

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No they are not. Anyway WTF do they all want oscars for? dont they already get paid without pandering to them further? Does anyone give YOU an oscar for working and getting paid?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Or would the nominators be panned for nominating a black or other person of ethnic origin just because they felt the need to make it appear inclusive regardless of talent and quality of the film?

This actually happened one year when lots of black actors were nominated. Just can't win, huh?

-Courtney "

No and never will be able to win either way

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_black_Academy_Award_winners_and_nominees

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just wondering does anybody know Who's in charge of the nominations?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just wondering does anybody know Who's in charge of the nominations?"

The boss is a black woman who has said massive change is coming. so next year we will be wondering whether the black actors actually deserve the award or whether they got it simply because they are black. I think they will be wondering the same thing. There are the BET awards and the MOBO awards which are exclusively for black actors and musicians, imagine the outcry if there was a white equivalent for either. There are associations exclusively for black people, lawyers, police, firemen, you name it, it's there and no one says anything, but let a white group form something similar and presto, the good old race card is hauled out and waved like mad. Personally, I think the PC brigade has lost direction.

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By *uited staffs guyMan
over a year ago

staffordshire

"Just wondering does anybody know Who's in charge of the nominations?"

The academy

And be in the academy you need to have been an actor or director of a few 'proper' films (ie not an xhamster version!)

And once you're in you're in for life

Hence the majority are getting on a bit (over 60), and mostly white (as historically most actors and directors were white)

As the older ones die off and the younger ones become the majority that will change, a bit like the demographic in the overall US electorate has

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If there were no Oscar worthy performance's by black actors then no, the Oscars aren't racist at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't know why it's such a big deal

Do people moan when the mobos are on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just wondering does anybody know Who's in charge of the nominations?"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_of_Motion_Picture_Arts_and_Sciences

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just wondering does anybody know Who's in charge of the nominations?

I know we have.

I was driving to Sainsbury's the other day, and ended up in Lichfield.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I read someone's comment on this elsewhere, it summed it up well.

"All this drama prompted me to look for some facts. The bureau of labor statistics doesn't publish demographic data for occupations whose constituency is less than 50k people, and actors are 46k, but there is some related data. Then general "arts" occupational category under which actors are included is 6.5% black. Most of the other sub categories are right around that number, and none are too far off, so I feel pretty good about using that number. There are 20 actors nominated, so the expected number of black nominees is 1.3. Considering numbers of nominees is a whole number, 1 would be perfectly in line with expectations, but 0 is pretty fucking close to that. There does not have to be any inherent bias for a demographic that consists of 6.5% of the occupational population not to be represented in a sampling of 20 of them.

TL;DR - 6.5% of actors are black, sampling 20 actors and not having blacks represented is not necessarily racist. In fact, it's pretty much to be expected."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also,

"to add to this:

- since 2000 there have been 80 actors (including this year) nominated for best actors

- 10 have been black

- 10/80 = . . . 12.5%

- 3 winners have been black

- 3/16 = . . . 18.75%

Now if we are going off the 6% number from BLS (http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat11.htm) it would appear that even including this year black actors have been massively over represented. If we are going off of the demographics as a whole (13.2% black) then it is right around the correct range for both nominations and winners."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just wondering does anybody know Who's in charge of the nominations?

The academy

And be in the academy you need to have been an actor or director of a few 'proper' films (ie not an xhamster version!)

And once you're in you're in for life

Hence the majority are getting on a bit (over 60), and mostly white (as historically most actors and directors were white)

As the older ones die off and the younger ones become the majority that will change, a bit like the demographic in the overall US electorate has "
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I think the greatest actor I've ever seen Leonardo DiCaprio hasn't ever won an Oscar?.

John Wayne never got one till right at the end of his career with true grit!.

Robert Redford didn't ever get one and bloody hell he did nothing but lofty films.

Johnny deep, Ed Norton, tom cruise..

The list of white people that haven't won is very big!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just wondering does anybody know Who's in charge of the nominations?

The academy

And be in the academy you need to have been an actor or director of a few 'proper' films (ie not an xhamster version!)

And once you're in you're in for life

Hence the majority are getting on a bit (over 60), and mostly white (as historically most actors and directors were white)

As the older ones die off and the younger ones become the majority that will change, a bit like the demographic in the overall US electorate has "

The current head, Sheryl Boone Isaacs was never an actress or film director. All of them have been involved in the movie business, but not necessarily as actors or directors.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Next year the lefties will be crying because there hasn't been any Japanese homosexual Muslims nominated...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Next we will be saying the 100 metres at the Olympics is racist because there is no asian runners. If you ain't good enough then your ain't good enough, simple.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Those bloody lefties with all their niceness and fairness.

Let's go and hunt some bears and smear the blood all over our faces!

That'll learn 'em

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Those bloody lefties with all their niceness and fairness.

Let's go and hunt some bears and smear the blood all over our faces!

That'll learn 'em"

Sounds delicious to me...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Those bloody lefties with all their niceness and fairness.

Let's go and hunt some bears and smear the blood all over our faces!

That'll learn 'em"
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So your saying DiCaprio should win then!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Those bloody lefties with all their niceness and fairness.

Let's go and hunt some bears and smear the blood all over our faces!

That'll learn 'em"

Actually I couldn't disagree more. Most of the lefties I know are the least fair and nice people I know. Especially if you're white, christian, middle class and male.

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By *a petite madameWoman
over a year ago

London / Essex

" the MOBO awards which are exclusively for black actors and musicians "

The MOBOs are not exclusively for black - anyone can win a MOBO as long as their music is other black origin

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"If there were no Oscar worthy performance's by black actors then no, the Oscars aren't racist at all."

this..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" the MOBO awards which are exclusively for black actors and musicians

The MOBOs are not exclusively for black - anyone can win a MOBO as long as their music is other black origin "

That makes it worse. Not exclusively for black people yet very few (if any) white people ever win.... Must be racist.

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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago

Catthorpe

" the MOBO awards which are exclusively for black actors and musicians

The MOBOs are not exclusively for black - anyone can win a MOBO as long as their music is other black origin "

Plan B & Professor Green immediately spring to mind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As far as I know white actors outnumber black actors 20:1...so 'do the math'!

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By *ungBlackTopMan
over a year ago

salford

ha ha for fucks sake, I get more racist abuse from people off this site when I won't meet them than what's happening in the bloody Oscars.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Heard someone on the radio Will Smith had been nominated for two and never won either.

Host was quick to point out, "yes, but he lost out to black actors on both occasions"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm sick of hearing this today, black people have won Oscars before and they will again. It's always the same as soon as something happens to them it must be racist!

Will Smith has done nothing but shit movies for the past 2years,

Idris Elba great actor but haven't seen him doing anything for a while.

The Oscars are earned not givin becuase you have a certain skin colour.

Sorry for the outburst its just I've been getting this shit all day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Those bloody lefties with all their niceness and fairness.

Let's go and hunt some bears and smear the blood all over our faces!

That'll learn 'em

Actually I couldn't disagree more. Most of the lefties I know are the least fair and nice people I know. Especially if you're white, christian, middle class and male."
I'd dispute the word "most", but then I don't know many christians

As usual, this is a headline about nothing. Who is actually saying the Oscars are racist - very few people but it makes for a bit of controversy for which those so inclined can get their daily dose of vein throbbing outrage

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

What's the origin of this 'story'?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What's the origin of this 'story'?"

Just lack of nominations for black actors.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What's the origin of this 'story'?"

A few actors/directors have boycotted this year's oscars because more black actors weren't nominated.

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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago

Catthorpe

"I'm sick of hearing this today, black people have won Oscars before and they will again. It's always the same as soon as something happens to them it must be racist!

Will Smith has done nothing but shit movies for the past 2years,

Idris Elba great actor but haven't seen him doing anything for a while.

The Oscars are earned not givin becuase you have a certain skin colour.

Sorry for the outburst its just I've been getting this shit all day"

Have to agree on the Will Smith point. Would actually add I don't think he's made any movie worthy of an oscar, EVER! Just heard he and Jada won't be attending the event because of the furoe and thought "so what".

Him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As far as I know white actors outnumber black actors 20:1...so 'do the math'! "

I already quoted the stats behind it, look above

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What's the origin of this 'story'?"
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Scroll up...I dunno It's some guy who posted it

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"What's the origin of this 'story'?

A few actors/directors have boycotted this year's oscars because more black actors weren't nominated. "

pretty sure it wont impact on any of the winners acceptance speeches..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The origin of the story is a few black actors and directors have got on their high horse because for two years running no black actor/actress or director have been nominated for an Oscar.

The only thing I have thought about the whole thing is a child throwing a tantrum. As stated before there have been a good few black actors who have won awards and more that's been nominated.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

no not at all just none good enough this year......lets not turn it into a race thing

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"no not at all just none good enough this year......lets not turn it into a race thing"

ah but does that mean we have to go back to the casting couch and see how fair that process is? there are very few roles that are written to be played by specific races yet the majority of leading roles are played by white people. Does this mean that white people are intrinsically better actors or is there a racial bias by casting directors?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So with the nominations came the questions as to why no black actors or actresses were nominated for best actor. Are the reasons because there were no good films with black actors therefore none got nominated. Or is it simply the people who select the nominations being discriminative?

Probably not..... But it makes good tv prior to the event

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"no not at all just none good enough this year......lets not turn it into a race thing

It's like anything else, loads of back scratching goes on.

there will be a few top actors, who really give the performance some va va voom, then there's a whole bunch of others who are fairly interchangeable.

Some practical factors will come into play , who's busy already etc.

So the decision will reflect some payoff.

Casting couch being one, but there will be others of course

Look at footy , how many players move for huge fees and don't really make a huge difference

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By *essiCouple
over a year ago

suffolk

"If there were no Oscar worthy performance's by black actors then no, the Oscars aren't racist at all."

Exactly this....

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"Those bloody lefties with all their niceness and fairness.

Let's go and hunt some bears and smear the blood all over our faces!

That'll learn 'em

Actually I couldn't disagree more. Most of the lefties I know are the least fair and nice people I know. Especially if you're white, christian, middle class and male."

Oh yes, us white guys are so persecuted.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

On topic, it's not so much the Oscars are racist as chosen by old white dudes.

Thus you get a film like Creed, which has been critically acclaimed, and neither the black director or black lead are nominated, but Sylvester Stallone is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The US movie industry is worth billions. They don't make those billions by putting the wrong faces on the screen, be they black, white, blue, green or yellow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People shouldn't be nominated just because they are black.

Anymore than if they are white.

They should all be nominated on individual merits, if they deserve to be nominated or win then colour shouldn't be an issue.

Or gender, sexuality, religion or age.

Or even if the character is cgi.

If there good enough they should win.... My precious!

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By *llebWoman
over a year ago

Poulton Le Fylde

"People shouldn't be nominated just because they are black.

Anymore than if they are white.

They should all be nominated on individual merits, if they deserve to be nominated or win then colour shouldn't be an issue.

Or gender, sexuality, religion or age.

Or even if the character is cgi.

If there good enough they should win.... My precious! "

This is just good old self publicity, we'd all forgotten about Mrs Smith, well that is what's she's best known as these days

It also publishes their own production company which only makes films with their black actor/actress clan.

Get a grip Ms Smith, we're just not bothered !

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Yes I think so, nothing for straight outta Compton except for 4 white guys

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"no not at all just none good enough this year......lets not turn it into a race thing

Id dispute the "very few roles written to be played by specific races" purely because so many films are based in the past/"real world".

Which means you're restricted to the historic demographics

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

it is interesting that no one has said anything about the lack of disabled actors being nominated

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"it is interesting that no one has said anything about the lack of disabled actors being nominated"

Are there any?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"it is interesting that no one has said anything about the lack of disabled actors being nominated

Are there any? "

dunno

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Those bloody lefties with all their niceness and fairness.

Let's go and hunt some bears and smear the blood all over our faces!

That'll learn 'em

Actually I couldn't disagree more. Most of the lefties I know are the least fair and nice people I know. Especially if you're white, christian, middle class and male.

Oh yes, us white guys are so persecuted.

Read what I said, think about it.

Go on, I know you can do it if you try....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Those bloody lefties with all their niceness and fairness.

Let's go and hunt some bears and smear the blood all over our faces!

That'll learn 'em

Actually I couldn't disagree more. Most of the lefties I know are the least fair and nice people I know. Especially if you're white, christian, middle class and male.

Oh yes, us white guys are so persecuted.

Read what I said, think about it.

Go on, I know you can do it if you try...."

I dunno Cameron is a righty and he treats the working class and lower class like shit, he also discriminates against one religious group.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't know why it's such a big deal

Do people moan when the mobos are on

Totally agree with you ^^^ it's all getting stupid now!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I don't know why it's such a big deal

Do people moan when the mobos are on

Totally agree with you ^^^ it's all getting stupid now!!"

Having read more about it the whole thing sounds like sour grapes. The films that were supposedly ignored I've never heard of so shows how good they must have been. Straight outta Compton I've not seen but haven't really heard much about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just wondering does anybody know Who's in charge of the nominations?

I know we have.

I was driving to Sainsbury's the other day, and ended up in Lichfield.

There isn't a sainsburys in Lichfield so you were lost

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

I only saw one film last year so unable to comment on whether a black actor had a major part in any film and was overlooked.

There are few black actors anyway so hardly surprising. As for being racist? No!

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By *oyce69Man
over a year ago

Driffield

One of the people that started this boycott is Spike Lee, an activist who has been stirring the racial pot for donkey's years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

60 odd percent of the nominations come from white older men according to the radio. So That probably has something to do with who and what they will nominate xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"60 odd percent of the nominations come from white older men according to the radio. So That probably has something to do with who and what they will nominate xx"

I dont mean their racist

Just perhaps theres a link to why not many bmes get nominated.

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By *odareyouMan
over a year ago

not far from iceland,,,,,, tescos is nearer though :-) (near leeds)

In answer to the op nope ..

I couldn't care any less about the Oscars, baftas, and the rest of the awards ceremonies,..

I'd rather have the test card on tv than the fawning sycophantic behaviour from the inter_iewers after the awards show.

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By *eLorean_GreyMan
over a year ago

crewe

I tend not to keep up with the Oscars, but I remember halle berry making a massive speech about giving hope to actors of colour when she actually won an Oscar. I'm guessing she is the one and only coloured/black actor to have ever won an Oscar.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I tend not to keep up with the Oscars, but I remember halle berry making a massive speech about giving hope to actors of colour when she actually won an Oscar. I'm guessing she is the one and only coloured/black actor to have ever won an Oscar."

Nope there have been others

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

In fact as someone else pointed out 12 years a slave won 3 oscars, it was the first film directed & written by black director and writer to win an award.

I believe the nominators are the same ones as this year?

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By *rishman75Man
over a year ago

Chessington/epsom

No they are not racist because there has been no decent movie with a black actor out last year and that get out of Compton was pure shite.

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By *igandanneCouple
over a year ago

Cheltenham

Why not have a whites only 100mt in the next Olympics Games

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Black actors are just shit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oscars are for a clique really. They're there to promote certain people and 'reward' them with a shiny prize. Same as most other award ceremonies.

I think it's a crappy excuse to say no black actors or films have been worthy of any nominations the past year, of course they have. I don't think anyone should be chosen for being black to make up for a shortfall of black nominations but it's still ridiculous to say what they said.

Oscars have had their day really. We're progressing more towards a different society than one that lauds rich people and promoted fame, it's all about celebs who are like us now. No-one really cares that much about the royal family, they used to be different, looked up to and respected, now they're not by newer generations and haven't been for some time (which is why the media tend to ignore them, nobody gave a shit they had some babies, even gt slagged off by many for creating welfare babies that are burdens on the tax payer...coz they aren't special for having money or hidden power).

It's the same for celebs. Half the time the ones who act like they're better than anyone else end up being ridiculed, no-one cares about this shit any more.

Xfactor, big brother, etc, all gave a chance for 'normal' people to become famous. There's not a lot of people considered special any more, if any, especially nobody exists with unique talents and the way the media is now proves this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you get bonuses at work ? Or an achievement recognition at work ? I know many companies that celebrate their employees annually, be it through giving them a holiday, or an award, or an extra financial incentive. So I guess that would be the Oscars equivalent.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

get down bookies and place bet for black winner of Oscar next year....

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By *aneandpaulCouple
over a year ago

cleveleys

Why is it if a white person win,s any thing or nominated it,s racist people who start these threads should be band there,s one put on every day to stir up shit. There is as many black players in our national teams as white player,s i still want England to win

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" No-one really cares that much about the royal family, they used to be different, looked up to and respected, now they're not by newer generations and haven't been for some time (which is why the media tend to ignore them, nobody gave a shit they had some babies, even gt slagged off by many for creating welfare babies that are burdens on the tax payer...coz they aren't special for having money or hidden power).

Firstly do you live in a totaly different world to the rest of us?

Kate and Williams baby was a massive event it was all that was covered in the media that week.

Secondly anyone who went on about them being "welfare" babies would be pretty dim given William has a full time job. However he does give his full 40k salary to the charity he works for each year. So effectively working for free doing a pretty damn important job.

I tend to feel rather bad for the royals its effectively being born into servitude, sure you get riches but its more a gilded cage than anything

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Firstly do you live in a totaly different world to the rest of us?

Kate and Williams baby was a massive event it was all that was covered in the media that week.

I tend to feel rather bad for the royals its effectively being born into servitude, sure you get riches but its more a gilded cage than anything

The media promote one thing, the people comment on it, and yeah i did see plenty of disrespectful comments - sign of the times that people don't see a rich person claiming benefits as any more special than a poor one.

Doesn't matter what you think, i wasn't commenting on what you think, i was commenting on the way things are changing and have changed over time.

Old people love celebrating the royals (not all old people probably but the jubilee was a big event for old people round here) but the younger generations didn't really care about it nor celebrate it, definitely didn't see anything on fb even where anyone cared at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No they are not. Anyway WTF do they all want oscars for? dont they already get paid without pandering to them further? Does anyone give YOU an oscar for working and getting paid?"

10000% correct. We have to get rid of the notion that everything is based upon colour creed or religion. I like u don't like racist or bullies but I also dislike media hype blowing silly stories about colour making a difference in the Oscar.

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By *oxymTV/TS
over a year ago

cramlington

"Why not have a whites only 100mt in the next Olympics Games"

Now that is racist

Like someone said on here earlier the vote should be on merit of the film no matter what colour race religion sexuality or disability

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why not have a whites only 100mt in the next Olympics Games

Now that is racist

Like someone said on here earlier the vote should be on merit of the film no matter what colour race religion sexuality or disability "

Agree with everything written above

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

I know someone who is an actor in the US and a member of the Academy and votes for nominees. There is not a prejudiced bone in his body and I very much doubt he would have anything to do with any organisation that was in any way racist. Maybe the reason there have been no black actors nominated in the last 2 years is because in an industry that is dominated by white actors the best 20 rolls in each category have been played by white actors. Just a thought...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just wondering does anybody know Who's in charge of the nominations?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I know someone who is an actor in the US and a member of the Academy and votes for nominees. There is not a prejudiced bone in his body and I very much doubt he would have anything to do with any organisation that was in any way racist. Maybe the reason there have been no black actors nominated in the last 2 years is because in an industry that is dominated by white actors the best 20 rolls in each category have been played by white actors. Just a thought..."

Good point or maybe they just wasn't good enough this year to receive a Oscar nomination. Just a thought..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Firstly do you live in a totaly different world to the rest of us?

Kate and Williams baby was a massive event it was all that was covered in the media that week.

I tend to feel rather bad for the royals its effectively being born into servitude, sure you get riches but its more a gilded cage than anything

Doesn't matter what you think, i wasn't commenting on what you think, i was commenting on the way things are changing and have changed over time.

What benifits does he claim? He lives off the income of the estate.

As well as working full time.

There where tens of thousand of people out celebrating.

The fact rhere were a few comments from idiots online doesnt mean there has been some big change.

Everyone still worships the rich and famous reality tv shows just give people the faint hope that they can become one.

Like the lottery, its not some great social change.

If it was wealth inequality would be decreasing not increasing.

Then again are you really sure that a society that lauds people for fucking a bunch of people in a villa on the beach then having big rows amongst themselves, or fingering each other under sheets to the sounds of ruffling microphones is a good change?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Think of all the great films and fantastic rolls decaprio has played over the years and he's never won an Oscar!!!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Firstly do you live in a totaly different world to the rest of us?

Kate and Williams baby was a massive event it was all that was covered in the media that week.

I tend to feel rather bad for the royals its effectively being born into servitude, sure you get riches but its more a gilded cage than anything

Doesn't matter what you think, i wasn't commenting on what you think, i was commenting on the way things are changing and have changed over time.

What benifits does he claim? He lives off the income of the estate.

As well as working full time.

There where tens of thousand of people out celebrating.

The fact rhere were a few comments from idiots online doesnt mean there has been some big change.

Everyone still worships the rich and famous reality tv shows just give people the faint hope that they can become one.

Like the lottery, its not some great social change.

If it was wealth inequality would be decreasing not increasing.

I'm not discussing their income ok, or if people are idiots for thinking the way they do, i'm discussing peoples opinions and whether they respect the rich, or those with higher status, any more. Because it relates to the clique i originally mentioned.

I do think some people complain about not being a part of a clique, as in the Oscars case, but more people don't really see any difference between themselves and those who shoved themselves on pedestals. Not sure if it's because society is becoming just as narcissistic as those on pedestals are or if it's because they value themselves more now and don't think other people are that amazing, maybe a bit of both and other reasons too?

It's not just media where you see it, although that's a good starting point for checking out opinions. How many flags did you see up for the jubilee or royal baby, that were anywhere that doesn't belong to the state? Pretty sure more go up for the football every season.

How many recent stars exist with the same amount of recognition as James Dean, Marilyn Monroe, or anyone from earlier eras? Don't think there are that many really, i can't think of any at all (Kardashians maybe?). The hype isn't really there any more for most 'celebs'. We've changed over time.

I can't really comment on the other stuff sorry, i have no idea what you're talking about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If it wasnt an issue it wouldn't be raised

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Why is it if a white person win,s any thing or nominated it,s racist people who start these threads should be band there,s one put on every day to stir up shit. There is as many black players in our national teams as white player,s i still want England to win "

So you think I should be banned do you? Why because I dared to ask a question that a majority agree on that there is no racial discrimination on the nominations just someone whining because they didn't get a nomination?

If you hadn't checked we're a white couple so I didn't once say it was racist I was asking what others think! I also do not see what the England team have to do with the oscars.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If it wasnt an issue it wouldn't be raised"

It isn't an issue, in 2014 12 years a slave won 3 oscars, whoopi Goldberg has won an oscar for ghost. The only issue here is a small group of millionaires moaning that they didn't get a nomination.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think the Oscars are racist. Name me 5 black actors/actresses that have appeared in popular films in the last 12 to 18 months.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think it's racist. It's just that no black actors have done an 'Oscar worthy' performance.

Why should the academy put a black actor / actress through and snub someone white who did a better performance.

If it was the other way round, white people wouldn't moan!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no not at all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think the Oscars are racist. Name me 5 black actors/actresses that have appeared in popular films in the last 12 to 18 months."

I agree with you but just because I can I will.

John Boyega (Star Wars)

Idris Elba (Beasts of No Nation)

Lupita Nyongo (Star Wars)

Michael B Jordan (Creed)

And literally the entire cast of Straight Outta Compton.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's a lot of serious shit going on in the world, civil war, genocide, human trafficking, human rights abuses across the globe

Who gives a fuck about the oscars?

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

Yes, they are all racists

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They'll just feel obliged to give them a couple now ha. Saying that I'm no film guru so don't no whats what ha

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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

"Just wondering does anybody know Who's in charge of the nominations?

Agree.

They should have the FOBO's lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I've never been bothered with the oscars, a film winning one doesn't make me want to watch it. I just thought this was a interesting thread to start.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

It's always sad when people's perceptions blind them to reality.

On the subject of old, white men....

....Alfred Hitchcock never won Best Director.

(And I bet I could name more AH classics than Spike Lee ones)

#justsayin

Mr ddc

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

"One of the people that started this boycott is Spike Lee, an activist who has been stirring the racial pot for donkey's years. "

FIGHT THE POWER FIGHT THE POWER ! Spike Lee has made great movies and he has a point. You can't win if noone is even nominated

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"One of the people that started this boycott is Spike Lee, an activist who has been stirring the racial pot for donkey's years.

FIGHT THE POWER FIGHT THE POWER ! Spike Lee has made great movies and he has a point. You can't win if noone is even nominated

But Spike Lee HAS had his films nominated...

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

"One of the people that started this boycott is Spike Lee, an activist who has been stirring the racial pot for donkey's years.

FIGHT THE POWER FIGHT THE POWER ! Spike Lee has made great movies and he has a point. You can't win if noone is even nominated

But Spike Lee HAS had his films nominated..."

Thoroughly deserved

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not just Alfred Hitchcock

Tarantino always said the list of directors never to win was greater than those that had won;

AH, Orson Wells, Stanley Kubrick, Sergio Leone, Charlie Chaplin (lol), Ingmar Bergman

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nah Spike Lee is just an asshole. He makes a very public display of calling out racism while also at athe same time being very racist himself.

Also the George Zimmerman tweeting thing was a dick move.

Also he remade Oldboy which sucked.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would expect the Oscar committee are filmist, if there are a shortage of nominations then perhaps the problem is with the s rip writers or directors not using the talent in an Oscar winning way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

s rip = script....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would expect the Oscar committee are filmist, if there are a shortage of nominations then perhaps the problem is with the s rip writers or directors not using the talent in an Oscar winning way. "

There isnt a committee, the membership vote for their personal preference (ranked 1 to 5) these votes are then aggregated to reach a final short list.

Also worth pointing out that there were around 200 eligible films this year (list can be found on the Oscars website), and each film can submit the names of 10 actors & 10 actresses for consideration by the members, so the members can have literally thousands of performances to vote from.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nah Spike Lee is just an asshole. He makes a very public display of calling out racism while also at athe same time being very racist himself.

Also the George Zimmerman tweeting thing was a dick move.

Also he remade Oldboy which sucked. "

There is also the irony that despite having been vocal on this issue for years, Spike Lee was more than happy to accept an honorary Oscar recently.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

do you think if someone would have started the MOWOs before the MOBOs these would have been an outcry?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

seemingly they are disappointing tho

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

by the big field

I notice that 2nd rate actress mrs smith, best known for being married to other 2nd rate and over hyped (apart from a couple of films) actor, failed to rais the subject that Hollywoods main problem is its predominantly run by and biased towards people of Jewish descent- so any racial bias is a secondary issue. Of course that may backfire on her image to pick that fight- just ask Mel Gibson.

I also notice she failed to address the nepotism in Hollywood, where the mediocre offspring of celebs seem to gain roles that more talented actors of 'ordinary' families would be better suited to.....cant think why that issue has never bothered her?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just wonder which black actor will be happy with the Oscar for "best patronised black leading actor" if like this year there are no genuine best actor nominees who are ethnic minority on merit alone and someone has to receive it regardless?

The idiot on the BBC the other suggested that because Stallone got a support nomination then by reflected glory the other cast members must have been equally as good and deserving..meaning Michael b.Jordan regardless of his actual performance.

I'm not really sure how that works and by that logic does it mean all the awards could have to come from the same film.

It is quite noticeable that the protesters can't or don't actually name actors and films that have been snubbed.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

Sir Ian McKellen makes an interesting point today:

No openly gay actor has EVER won an Oscar, 3 straight actors have won for portraying gay men, but he can't win one for portraying a straight man.

Next year's nominations really ARE going to be like a university prospectus cover!

Mr ddc

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

Next year's nominations really ARE going to be like a university prospectus cover!

Oops, it turns out that was one of my many posts I don't actually post

But I'm sure you'll get the drift

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By *aneandpaulCouple
over a year ago

cleveleys

Why is it if a black person does not win its racist dont see many Eskimos winning Oscars and they do appear in films

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway

morgan freeman was nominated for playing a ginger Irish man in the shawshank redemption

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"do you think if someone would have started the MOWOs before the MOBOs these would have been an outcry?"

Since last year Sam Smith won four, and he's not unique in that, your point is?

Personally, I'm with Dustin Hoffman: black people of influence should be more concerned about black people being gunned down by white police officers than about a bit of bling for playing dress up!

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By *obwithkiltMan
over a year ago

Belton

" the MOBO awards which are exclusively for black actors and musicians

The MOBOs are not exclusively for black - anyone can win a MOBO as long as their music is other black origin "

I can remember watching a ch4 documentary about slave songs having their origin in Gaelic Waulking songs....and Samuel l Jackson does wear a kilt often!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think the issue really is the lack of nominations, but actually there are no people of ethnic origin (whatever that may mean) on the nominating council.

The main instigator in this hullabaloo seems to have been Spike Lee, who has never been shy at expressing his opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Forgive me I haven't read the the full thread so this point may already be covered.

My opinion is that the oscars are not racist. But I do think Hollywood maybe.

There are not enough roles being written for black actors.

Every time a black actor plays a part it is invariably about slavery, the civil rights struggle or similar subjects. Everyday roles are not covered. There is no reason why the following roles could not be covered by black actors.

Bond - Idris Alba

Bourne - Jamie Foxx

I'm not saying other actors have not played those roles brilliantly but why aren't black actors getting the same opportunities as others.

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway

"Forgive me I haven't read the the full thread so this point may already be covered.

My opinion is that the oscars are not racist. But I do think Hollywood maybe.

There are not enough roles being written for black actors.

Bond - Idris Alba

Bourne - Jamie Foxx

I'm not saying other actors have not played those roles brilliantly but why aren't black actors getting the same opportunities as others. "

NOOOOOOOOOOOO Bond as wrote by the author is a white male simple as that.Like I said earlier Morgan Freeman was nominated for a role where he played the part of a ginger Irishman in the original book,but this book wasnt as well known as Bond.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't know why it's such a big deal

Do people moan when the mobos are on

Totally agree with you ^^^ it's all getting stupid now!!"

Past winners of the MOBO's have been

The Prodigy

Eminem

Jamaraqui

Joss Stone

None of thes are black.

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over a year ago

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"Forgive me I haven't read the the full thread so this point may already be covered.

My opinion is that the oscars are not racist. But I do think Hollywood maybe.

There are not enough roles being written for black actors.

Bond - Idris Alba

Bourne - Jamie Foxx

I'm not saying other actors have not played those roles brilliantly but why aren't black actors getting the same opportunities as others. "

Agree.

Another area is romcoms - so many of these about white couples. Very few black people in these.

And there's no reason why a black man couldn't be Bond. The Bond character in the books is sexist and homophobic, which the modern film Bond isn't (noticeably, anyway). So the original character has already changed.

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway

"Forgive me I haven't read the the full thread so this point may already be covered.

My opinion is that the oscars are not racist. But I do think Hollywood maybe.

There are not enough roles being written for black actors.

Bond - Idris Alba

Bourne - Jamie Foxx

I'm not saying other actors have not played those roles brilliantly but why aren't black actors getting the same opportunities as others. "

wiki James Bond and you will see the image commissioned by Ian Fleming of who Bond is.This thing about Black actors or female actors being allowed to play Bond is crap should we have Daniel Craig play John Shaft in reply? get over the PC stuff.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Forgive me I haven't read the the full thread so this point may already be covered.

My opinion is that the oscars are not racist. But I do think Hollywood maybe.

There are not enough roles being written for black actors.

Bond - Idris Alba

Bourne - Jamie Foxx

I'm not saying other actors have not played those roles brilliantly but why aren't black actors getting the same opportunities as others.

I don't see what difference it would make.

Many people who watch Bond have never read the books. They are only watching the film as an escape. It's a spy who shoots people and shags women. Black actors can fill that role as well as white.

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway

"Forgive me I haven't read the the full thread so this point may already be covered.

My opinion is that the oscars are not racist. But I do think Hollywood maybe.

There are not enough roles being written for black actors.

Bond - Idris Alba

Bourne - Jamie Foxx

I'm not saying other actors have not played those roles brilliantly but why aren't black actors getting the same opportunities as others.

I don't see what difference it would make.

Many people who watch Bond have never read the books. They are only watching the film as an escape. It's a spy who shoots people and shags women. Black actors can fill that role as well as white. "

whether people have read the books or not it would be a travesty to have anyone but a white male play the role just to fill a quota.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Forgive me I haven't read the the full thread so this point may already be covered.

My opinion is that the oscars are not racist. But I do think Hollywood maybe.

There are not enough roles being written for black actors.

Bond - Idris Alba

Bourne - Jamie Foxx

I'm not saying other actors have not played those roles brilliantly but why aren't black actors getting the same opportunities as others.

It's hardly PC to suggest one of the best British actors of the moment , Idris Alba, play a fictional character.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The real Oscars should be for the grafters who slog away for pittance! I'd like to nominate myself for such an award.

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway

"Forgive me I haven't read the the full thread so this point may already be covered.

My opinion is that the oscars are not racist. But I do think Hollywood maybe.

There are not enough roles being written for black actors.

Bond - Idris Alba

Bourne - Jamie Foxx

I'm not saying other actors have not played those roles brilliantly but why aren't black actors getting the same opportunities as others.

It's hardly PC to suggest one of the best British actors of the moment , Idris Alba, play a fictional character. "

it is quite PC indeed to suggest a black actor play a white character just because he is a good actor

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Forgive me I haven't read the the full thread so this point may already be covered.

My opinion is that the oscars are not racist. But I do think Hollywood maybe.

There are not enough roles being written for black actors.

Bond - Idris Alba

Bourne - Jamie Foxx

I'm not saying other actors have not played those roles brilliantly but why aren't black actors getting the same opportunities as others.

I don't see what difference it would make.

Many people who watch Bond have never read the books. They are only watching the film as an escape. It's a spy who shoots people and shags women. Black actors can fill that role as well as white.

whether people have read the books or not it would be a travesty to have anyone but a white male play the role just to fill a quota."

A travesty ? Christ it's only a film.

Why do you see it as quota filling, why not see it as best actor for the job.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

I think the film industry is still both sexist and racist, which means the nominations for the awards will probably be skewed.

If white actors get the best roles and black actors are typecast, which does seem to happen, there is bound to be a knock-on effect when it comes to awards.

A silk purse can be made of a sow's ear of a role but it's much more difficult.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"Forgive me I haven't read the the full thread so this point may already be covered.

My opinion is that the oscars are not racist. But I do think Hollywood maybe.

There are not enough roles being written for black actors.

Bond - Idris Alba

Bourne - Jamie Foxx

I'm not saying other actors have not played those roles brilliantly but why aren't black actors getting the same opportunities as others.

I don't see what difference it would make.

Many people who watch Bond have never read the books. They are only watching the film as an escape. It's a spy who shoots people and shags women. Black actors can fill that role as well as white.

whether people have read the books or not it would be a travesty to have anyone but a white male play the role just to fill a quota."

A 'travesty', haha.

Yes, it would be silly to cast anyone as a quota. But no one's suggesting that. They're suggesting it would be cool to give a great actor like Idris Elba a chance to play an iconic role, and not rule him out based on skin tone.

In the books James Bond has dark hair. Daniel Craig doesn't. Guess that is a travesty?

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway

"Forgive me I haven't read the the full thread so this point may already be covered.

My opinion is that the oscars are not racist. But I do think Hollywood maybe.

There are not enough roles being written for black actors.

Bond - Idris Alba

Bourne - Jamie Foxx

I'm not saying other actors have not played those roles brilliantly but why aren't black actors getting the same opportunities as others.

I don't see what difference it would make.

Many people who watch Bond have never read the books. They are only watching the film as an escape. It's a spy who shoots people and shags women. Black actors can fill that role as well as white.

whether people have read the books or not it would be a travesty to have anyone but a white male play the role just to fill a quota.

A travesty ? Christ it's only a film.

Why do you see it as quota filling, why not see it as best actor for the job. "

Because he is indeed a great actor but he is NOT the best man to play a white character.Just as surely a brilliant white actor is not the best man to play John Shaft,it's that simple really.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Forgive me I haven't read the the full thread so this point may already be covered.

My opinion is that the oscars are not racist. But I do think Hollywood maybe.

There are not enough roles being written for black actors.

Bond - Idris Alba

Bourne - Jamie Foxx

I'm not saying other actors have not played those roles brilliantly but why aren't black actors getting the same opportunities as others.

Take a look in the books for a description of the character Jack Reacher and then look at who was cast for the film... OK, he effectively cast himself, but when it suits, Hollywood is quite happy to stray a very long way from the details in books.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Forgive me I haven't read the the full thread so this point may already be covered.

My opinion is that the oscars are not racist. But I do think Hollywood maybe.

There are not enough roles being written for black actors.

Bond - Idris Alba

Bourne - Jamie Foxx

I'm not saying other actors have not played those roles brilliantly but why aren't black actors getting the same opportunities as others.

M was male in the books...

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway

"Forgive me I haven't read the the full thread so this point may already be covered.

My opinion is that the oscars are not racist. But I do think Hollywood maybe.

There are not enough roles being written for black actors.

Bond - Idris Alba

Bourne - Jamie Foxx

I'm not saying other actors have not played those roles brilliantly but why aren't black actors getting the same opportunities as others.

Again I can point out that Jack Reacher is not as universally known as James Bond,Bond is an institution and should not be messed around just to satisfy PC or quotas

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway

"Forgive me I haven't read the the full thread so this point may already be covered.

My opinion is that the oscars are not racist. But I do think Hollywood maybe.

There are not enough roles being written for black actors.

Bond - Idris Alba

Bourne - Jamie Foxx

I'm not saying other actors have not played those roles brilliantly but why aren't black actors getting the same opportunities as others.

M was male in the books..."

Bond is Bond,lesser characters are not the basis of the story,it's about Bond not M

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

oscars are for the merits of the films produced..not the actors skin colours or races.

why cant bond be asian..or far east asian?..

quite simply, because its merely pandering to an extreme political correctness in my opinion.

I've been happy with almost all of the bonds..apart from daniel craig..not because he is white..just because I think he's shit(as bond)and I havent really liked any of the latest offerings anyway.I dont think bringing in a black actor is necessary at all, whether its reflective of multiculturalism or not.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Forgive me I haven't read the the full thread so this point may already be covered.

My opinion is that the oscars are not racist. But I do think Hollywood maybe.

There are not enough roles being written for black actors.

Bond - Idris Alba

Bourne - Jamie Foxx

I'm not saying other actors have not played those roles brilliantly but why aren't black actors getting the same opportunities as others.

Again I can point out that Jack Reacher is not as universally known as James Bond,Bond is an institution and should not be messed around just to satisfy PC or quotas"

Bond has already been messed with, as per my following post.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Forgive me I haven't read the the full thread so this point may already be covered.

My opinion is that the oscars are not racist. But I do think Hollywood maybe.

There are not enough roles being written for black actors.

Bond - Idris Alba

Bourne - Jamie Foxx

I'm not saying other actors have not played those roles brilliantly but why aren't black actors getting the same opportunities as others.

It's hardly PC to suggest one of the best British actors of the moment , Idris Alba, play a fictional character.

it is quite PC indeed to suggest a black actor play a white character just because he is a good actor"

Bond is no more a white character than Bourne or Ethan Hunt.

Past actors may have been white but Daniel Craig pays no resemblance to Roger Moore. The character has evolved.

Sometimes he was Scottish , then English, Bond has even been Australian. So why not black ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hollywood's renowned for taking liberties with roles

However I don't think you can mess with an established line of characters

Quite easy to, for a first script, and then take it on from there

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway

"Forgive me I haven't read the the full thread so this point may already be covered.

My opinion is that the oscars are not racist. But I do think Hollywood maybe.

There are not enough roles being written for black actors.

Bond - Idris Alba

Bourne - Jamie Foxx

I'm not saying other actors have not played those roles brilliantly but why aren't black actors getting the same opportunities as others.

Again I can point out that Jack Reacher is not as universally known as James Bond,Bond is an institution and should not be messed around just to satisfy PC or quotas

Bond has already been messed with, as per my following post.

and I have posted a reply which states my _iewpoint

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway

"Forgive me I haven't read the the full thread so this point may already be covered.

My opinion is that the oscars are not racist. But I do think Hollywood maybe.

There are not enough roles being written for black actors.

Bond - Idris Alba

Bourne - Jamie Foxx

I'm not saying other actors have not played those roles brilliantly but why aren't black actors getting the same opportunities as others.

It's hardly PC to suggest one of the best British actors of the moment , Idris Alba, play a fictional character.

it is quite PC indeed to suggest a black actor play a white character just because he is a good actor

Bond is no more a white character than Bourne or Ethan Hunt.

Past actors may have been white but Daniel Craig pays no resemblance to Roger Moore. The character has evolved.

Sometimes he was Scottish , then English, Bond has even been Australian. So why not black ?"

Because he is white.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Forgive me I haven't read the the full thread so this point may already be covered.

My opinion is that the oscars are not racist. But I do think Hollywood maybe.

There are not enough roles being written for black actors.

Bond - Idris Alba

Bourne - Jamie Foxx

I'm not saying other actors have not played those roles brilliantly but why aren't black actors getting the same opportunities as others.

It's hardly PC to suggest one of the best British actors of the moment , Idris Alba, play a fictional character.

it is quite PC indeed to suggest a black actor play a white character just because he is a good actor

Bond is no more a white character than Bourne or Ethan Hunt.

Past actors may have been white but Daniel Craig pays no resemblance to Roger Moore. The character has evolved.

Sometimes he was Scottish , then English, Bond has even been Australian. So why not black ?

Because he is white."

He's fictional, he can be any colour your imagination desires.

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway

"Forgive me I haven't read the the full thread so this point may already be covered.

My opinion is that the oscars are not racist. But I do think Hollywood maybe.

There are not enough roles being written for black actors.

Bond - Idris Alba

Bourne - Jamie Foxx

I'm not saying other actors have not played those roles brilliantly but why aren't black actors getting the same opportunities as others.

It's hardly PC to suggest one of the best British actors of the moment , Idris Alba, play a fictional character.

it is quite PC indeed to suggest a black actor play a white character just because he is a good actor

Bond is no more a white character than Bourne or Ethan Hunt.

Past actors may have been white but Daniel Craig pays no resemblance to Roger Moore. The character has evolved.

Sometimes he was Scottish , then English, Bond has even been Australian. So why not black ?

Because he is white.

He's fictional, he can be any colour your imagination desires. "

so leave it to your imagination and alls good then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

*i've noticed a rise in asian actors on US telly..but by all accounts they appear to be indian..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

now for Dr Who..i think the next should be Richard Ayoade..not because he's black..but I just think he'd be great.

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway

we should get Danny Devito to play John Coffey in a green mile remake or better still Peter Dinklage that lad is an amazing actor so obviously the fact he is a white dwarf should not preclude him from playing a giant black man if some people are to be believed.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

I can't understand anyone being so invested in a fictional character, personally.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"we should get Danny Devito to play John Coffey in a green mile remake or better still Peter Dinklage that lad is an amazing actor so obviously the fact he is a white dwarf should not preclude him from playing a giant black man if some people are to be believed."

Like I said, Jack Reacher.

Reacher is, like 7 ft tall, and blonde, in the books! Tom Cruise? Really?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"now for Dr Who..i think the next should be Richard Ayoade..not because he's black..but I just think he'd be great."

God yes, I reckon he'd make a brilliant Dr Who

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can't understand anyone being so invested in a fictional character, personally."

yes thats true...but for the stories to 'work' a bit of realism is needed.

Any bond of a different race is going to stand out in a crowd(unless the crowds a very diverse group of people),people would just simply notice our new ethnic bond more easily as he lurks about the houses/casinos/embassies of wealthy diplomat super villians.

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway

Like I said, Jack Reacher.

Reacher is, like 7 ft tall, and blonde, in the books! Tom Cruise? Really?"

cruise produced the movie himself with friends help so it couldnt be helped.

so by all means if a black actor wants to produce a movie and cast himself in the starring role then go for it but that will not change the fact that James Bond as created by Ian Fleming is white.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"now for Dr Who..i think the next should be Richard Ayoade..not because he's black..but I just think he'd be great.

God yes, I reckon he'd make a brilliant Dr Who

this should be on a separate thread lol

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway

As a compromise could I suggest that Idris Elba play Mary Poppins in a remake?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

No.

The awards are for ACTING.

I follow the argument that as 'male whites' own damn near everything that all major roles are made for 'male whites' and not females or blacks ......

so ...

where to next ?

I'm going to boycott football and not accept an award until all the football powers that be devise a game that is fair to older fat females....

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Like I said, Jack Reacher.

Reacher is, like 7 ft tall, and blonde, in the books! Tom Cruise? Really?

cruise produced the movie himself with friends help so it couldnt be helped.

so by all means if a black actor wants to produce a movie and cast himself in the starring role then go for it but that will not change the fact that James Bond as created by Ian Fleming is white."

And M is male. Have some imagination.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"As far as I know white actors outnumber black actors 20:1...so 'do the math'! "

Uhmmmmmm 20 white actors plus 1 black actor = 21 actors and we have to give the award to the black one ?

Am I right ?

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway

Like I said, Jack Reacher.

Reacher is, like 7 ft tall, and blonde, in the books! Tom Cruise? Really?

cruise produced the movie himself with friends help so it couldnt be helped.

so by all means if a black actor wants to produce a movie and cast himself in the starring role then go for it but that will not change the fact that James Bond as created by Ian Fleming is white.

And M is male. Have some imagination."

I have plenty of imagination but I fail to see why we should have to fill gender or race quotas to the detriment of established characters,why do people not use their imagination and CREATE NEW CHARACTERS to be played by the Idrises and Judy's of the acting world?

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway

Sorry OP for the thread hijack

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By *itchfieldMan
over a year ago

Portsmouth

I do hope someone has pointed out that the real racism would be that fewer films are made with black leads even if you take the proportions of citizens into account. The awards are theoretically to awards good performances but there must be many films to choose from. Regardless the Oscars has never really been some kind of objective award ceremony for the best film of the year its incredibly subjective and voting isn't free. They campaign to win one for pities sake. You are far better off reading articles on the most enjoyable films of the the year than using awards won to decide what's worth watching. Very few of the best films get nominated except in categories like special effects.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

See now your argument is lost your are reverting to silliness.

There is no comparison to a black Bond and what you have just suggested.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a compromise could I suggest that Idris Elba play Mary Poppins in a remake?"

As above.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Like I said, Jack Reacher.

Reacher is, like 7 ft tall, and blonde, in the books! Tom Cruise? Really?

cruise produced the movie himself with friends help so it couldnt be helped.

so by all means if a black actor wants to produce a movie and cast himself in the starring role then go for it but that will not change the fact that James Bond as created by Ian Fleming is white.

And M is male. Have some imagination.

Again it's not about quotas it's about ability.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry OP for the thread hijack"

not so much a hijack lol..

I mean..I really dont think I could complain being typecasted in a period drama set in 19th century england..unless the story was central to my character..other wise I know which part I would be playing.

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway

See now your argument is lost your are reverting to silliness.

There is no comparison to a black Bond and what you have just suggested. "

I am merely exaggerating a point to show that characters that are established should be changed or tweaked as little as possible and yes while my post was indeed silly it in my opinion illustrates perfectly the need to leave said established characters alone.Bond is a white male Coffey is a black male Shaft is a black male Flash Gordon is a white male just leave the status quo on such characters alone and if you want change then CREATE new characters for people to play instead of reworking the established ones.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some roles were just ment to be played by a particular race, bond is stretching it a bit being played by anyone but Sean connery.

othelo has a poor history, but thats a different story.

when it comes to the Oscars, I can't think if a film where a black actor has put in an amazing performance this year, I might be wrong, but I think people are too quick to jump on the racist band wagon, and see coincidence, as an act of racism.

but on the other side of the coin, I wouldn't want. to be a black actor, who wins an Oscar, because the academy didn't want to look racist, I would rather win it because of my performance , because everyone would know why I won it, and.mark my words, there will.be nominations for black actors next year in abundance, I just feel sorry for the winner of "best actor in a supporting role that happens to be black" its like saying "you are the one we could tolerate most".

we are all.equal, we.put our trousers on one leg at a time, if you find that you are being held back because of race or gender or sexual orientation, the answer is work harder, nothing in life is for free, that's what my dad told me, when.you have half the chances. put in twice the work, so spike lee needs to pull his head out of his ass.

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway

Like I said, Jack Reacher.

Reacher is, like 7 ft tall, and blonde, in the books! Tom Cruise? Really?

cruise produced the movie himself with friends help so it couldnt be helped.

so by all means if a black actor wants to produce a movie and cast himself in the starring role then go for it but that will not change the fact that James Bond as created by Ian Fleming is white.

And M is male. Have some imagination.

Again it's not about quotas it's about ability. "

so Idris has the ability to play a white male? no he does not,does he have the ability to play a secret agent? yes without a shadow of a doubt just not James Bond.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No....its the same as football with no black managers. Its more to do with not being goos enough. Nowt to to with colour...race

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway

"Some roles were just ment to be played by a particular race, bond is stretching it a bit being played by anyone but Sean connery.

othelo has a poor history, but thats a different story.

The voice of reason

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some roles were just ment to be played by a particular race, bond is stretching it a bit being played by anyone but Sean connery.

othelo has a poor history, but thats a different story.

I've rarely watched a spike lee film..I actually cant really stand many films that have being black as a central theme..unless there is a specific great story that sparks my interest.I suppose I'm just shallow and want to be entertained than see films based on statements about society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No....its the same as football with no black managers. Its more to do with not being goos enough. Nowt to to with colour...race

I think its racist how theres never been a film about malcom X with a white man.

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