FabSwingers.com forum: Benefit scroungers

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Heres one to get ya teeth into.

Did anyone see the jeremy kyle show on those on benefits the other day.

At the end of it i was so bloody angry at the attitude of those claiming.

One woman was expecting her 7th child..

She was 27 yrs old. And when asked if she was basically taking the p*ss...she replied yes.

And the guy on there was educating his kids on life on benefits and how to go about it.

The last one was a guy commiting fraud by working and getting benefits and had his face hidden.

It really is a joke .

Those that really need help cant get it and yet we keep people like this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Then there are the genuine folks who really need a benefit finding themselves up against a wall and refused or who have life made so difficult that they don't bother to claim.

I myself found myself ill a couple of years ago and being self employed all I could claim was SSP, so off I went to the DWP to claim ...... only to be refused because I was 40quid short in my NI contributions.

The DWP told me that if I payed the shortfall to HMRC that they would then reconsider my claim. So I did this, resubmitted my claim only to be then told by the DWP that because I'd paid late - there was a 6 week paenalty period and that I'd still get nothing .... !!!

I was back to work long before the 6 weeks had expired.

Then you get bastards like those you have mentioned on the Kyle show ... I'd line them up against a wall and shoot the fuckers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are also those that are too bone idle to work and expect us the tax payer to pay for them.

Sorry but it's a real bugbear of mine benefit scroungers. They should be ashamed of themselves I feel sorry for the real claiments that are genuine and disabled.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

wow you ladies actually watch that crap ? i dont get the choice im out working and even if i did id rather get run over or something than watch that crap its pure pond life tv created by pond life and starring pond life. Speacially engineered to create a hostile response to its viewers to get a hostile reaction and disguised under the heading as most of these cheap programmes shows are ..reality tv.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i think all drug addicts should lose entitlement without hesitation and testing should be done

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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It's the breeders I most resent. If you want kids, pay for the feckers ya self.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's the breeders I most resent. If you want kids, pay for the feckers ya self."

i aggree

my little one wasnt planned but im fortunate that i saved from my very first job and i dont claim any benifit except for Child Tax Credit, i pay for my home myself and all my council tax. I am taking time out to be a mum for a while, but she's my first and i can afford too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i think all drug addicts should lose entitlement without hesitation and testing should be done "

what about those who are prescribed drugs to survive or provide a better existence bit of a draconian view dont ya think ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"wow you ladies actually watch that crap ? i dont get the choice im out working and even if i did id rather get run over or something than watch that crap its pure pond life tv created by pond life and starring pond life. Speacially engineered to create a hostile response to its viewers to get a hostile reaction and disguised under the heading as most of these cheap programmes shows are ..reality tv. "

No we don't lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i think all drug addicts should lose entitlement without hesitation and testing should be done

what about those who are prescribed drugs to survive or provide a better existence bit of a draconian view dont ya think ? "

If you have failed methodone program after methodone program then yes they should.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i think all drug addicts should lose entitlement without hesitation and testing should be done

what about those who are prescribed drugs to survive or provide a better existence bit of a draconian view dont ya think ? "

so herroin and crack addicts should have lots of money thrown at them to continue their habbit .. i think not!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i think all drug addicts should lose entitlement without hesitation and testing should be done

what about those who are prescribed drugs to survive or provide a better existence bit of a draconian view dont ya think ?

If you have failed methodone program after methodone program then yes they should. "

yeah thats what i meant lol :D

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

.............thud !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i think all drug addicts should lose entitlement without hesitation and testing should be done

what about those who are prescribed drugs to survive or provide a better existence bit of a draconian view dont ya think ?

If you have failed methodone program after methodone program then yes they should. "

arr right i see i stand corrected so not all drug addicts just the crack heads and bag heads and the self afflicted ....yep i agree wot about economic migrants too on that id say dont blame them blame the government for allowing it to happen

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think its too standard a system who gets allocated what, i think it should be done via interviews etc,, not just tick boxes and chuck a load of cash at a person.

Make it more personal so those who do need it, gets it. Its unfortunate that there arent enough jobs in the country for everyone... damm europeans and their cheap labour..but thats another subject im sure

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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"i think all drug addicts should lose entitlement without hesitation and testing should be done

what about those who are prescribed drugs to survive or provide a better existence bit of a draconian view dont ya think ?

so herroin and crack addicts should have lots of money thrown at them to continue their habbit .. i think not!"

I doubt their benefits come close to covering the bill for their habit.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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"i think all drug addicts should lose entitlement without hesitation and testing should be done

what about those who are prescribed drugs to survive or provide a better existence bit of a draconian view dont ya think ?

If you have failed methodone program after methodone program then yes they should. "

Did you know there are some people on methadone programmes who became addicts though being prescribed opiates as pain relief for too long by a doctor?

Did you know that most methadone programmes don't have a predicted end date.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so herroin and crack addicts should have lots of money thrown at them to continue their habbit .. i think not!

I doubt their benefits come close to covering the bill for their habit."

to quote tesco's -'every little helps' lol. If they can scourse money from elsewhere then why should they be in reciept of benifits in the first place?

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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"so herroin and crack addicts should have lots of money thrown at them to continue their habbit .. i think not!

I doubt their benefits come close to covering the bill for their habit.

to quote tesco's -'every little helps' lol. If they can scourse money from elsewhere then why should they be in reciept of benifits in the first place? "

The money they get to pay for their habit probably comes from you and me... and more directly than through our taxes... more like through our windows, through our gran's pension and through the doors of local business... who then put the prices they charge us up to cover the cost of the shrink.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i think all drug addicts should lose entitlement without hesitation and testing should be done

what about those who are prescribed drugs to survive or provide a better existence bit of a draconian view dont ya think ?

so herroin and crack addicts should have lots of money thrown at them to continue their habbit .. i think not!"

er no i didnt say that did i some people need drugs to continue living some for a better more everyday existence such as ms suffererers who smoke dope which has been scientifically proven and i think now made lawfull for them to indulge in to provide a more comfortable existence i hear what your saying and i agree but drugs are like most subjects there not really simply black and white. Drugs were beneficial in differentiating and seperating us from animals through evolution by aiding in providing art and culture for example its been said bill gates wouldnt have founded microsoft nor would the double helix leading to dna coding have been discovered if it wasnt for the founders to have experimented with lsd.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

nobody should have 7 kids, they should curb benefit and only pay benefits to the first 2 children only, even if this woman did work and pay taxes she'd still get huge benefit payouts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so herroin and crack addicts should have lots of money thrown at them to continue their habbit .. i think not!

I doubt their benefits come close to covering the bill for their habit.

to quote tesco's -'every little helps' lol. If they can scourse money from elsewhere then why should they be in reciept of benifits in the first place?

There is a view to putting a stop to such acts which i totally agree with u on is a despicable crime andthats the dutch approach which is to legalise such drugs this would cost of course but would it cost more in insurance premiums rising from such robberies i aint defending bag heads or crack heads at all but there addicts and as such cos there addicts the courts see them as victims of addiction and turf them back on the street to carry on robbing to feed there addiction ..its a vicious circle i guess with no one really winning ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are so glad that we work for a living... It gets us out of the house during the day avoiding that festering excuse for a reality tv show.

Chuffed to bits we missed this benefit cheaters episode as not seeing it has saved us a few hundred quid not having to fork out for a replacement telly (one of us would have put their foot through the screen).

J K is one of the biggest fake we have ever known. He stands there dishing it out day after day with his holier than tho attitude when he is guilty of stealing thousands of £'s off his ex-wife to feed a gambling habit and pretending to leave his "live" radio show to save someone who was threatening to jump off a bridge.... the fake!!

Anyway, back on the subject... benefit cheats are a leech to funds much needed by others who are genuinely in need of help. Every time we hear of desperate carers, families etc suffering because there isn't enough money in the pot to help we blame it on the cheats.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am 48 and after all our working lives of my ex and I paying our taxes and NI contributions, I have now had to go on benefits as I have separated from hubby and due to the fact that I have now lost a lot of my eyesight I can't work, I am having to fight to get the benefits I am entitled to, including having to attend medicals which I have to travel miles to and go to work focused interviews, today I was at the job centre as my 13 week assessment phase was up 2 weeks ago and still I have not been moved onto phase 2, whilst there, a foreign gentleman was in there complaining that he was not receiving enough money to support his family, he was dressed in a long leather coat, designer clothes and adorned in enough gold jewelry to give Mr T a run for his money, in due course he was told to come back at 4 and pick a giro payment, which would be for almost £500, I left at the same time as him, he got into into a nearly new BMW, a woman who I assume was his wife was sitting in it, in a fur coat and I'm sorry but I just cried

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"nobody should have 7 kids, they should curb benefit and only pay benefits to the first 2 children only, even if this woman did work and pay taxes she'd still get huge benefit payouts."

Benefit help is levelled out.. its not paid at the same rate for all the kids..

But you can not say people cant have 7 kids, if that is what they want.

What if they were happy content and the husband died.. but up till then they had been paying their own way???

Its all to easy to forget that some people end up with no choice..

Katie.x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

how are they paying there own way though, child tax credits and child benefit get paid to people who work too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We are so glad that we work for a living... It gets us out of the house during the day avoiding that festering excuse for a reality tv show.

Why not blame the real culprits the government who spoon feed us the myth the countries skint they do this for effect the effect being to get us as humans to turn on each other usually its the weak andthe unfortunate so that after there media brainwashing were all happy to buy whtever they wanna feed us ...funny isnt it if this countries so skint as the cons say then how come they can afford to triple the donataions in foreign aide.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We are so glad that we work for a living... It gets us out of the house during the day avoiding that festering excuse for a reality tv show.

That sounds like divide and rule fella ........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"how are they paying there own way though, child tax credits and child benefit get paid to people who work too."

Tax credits isnt paid to all parents.. I used to earn to much to qualify.. and tax credits is basically a tax relief.. and if they didnt get it.. those parents would be leaving work.

Child benefit is paid to all, up to those on about 45k.. its hardly a lot..

And there is nothing to say that before people ended up single families that they got anything but child benefit..

What needs changing is the fact that most people on working tax, will be worse off than a single family on benefits. So they go to work for less.

Katie.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm hoping the con/lib now doing all these Interviews will catch all these work shy scum out.

Those that are genuine should get more money those that are pretending and being caught out prison

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyway, back on the subject... benefit cheats are a leech to funds much needed by others who are genuinely in need of help. Every time we hear of desperate carers, families etc suffering because there isn't enough money in the pot to help we blame it on the cheats.

Nobody mentioned the government. That is a totally different subject. Post a new forum if you want to chat on about it.

We are talking about benefit cheats. Those that steal from honest working folk. Those that think that life "owes" them a favour.

Benefit cheats are fucking scum. A total drain on a system that was put in place to help the needy... NOT the wanty.

There is no excuse for it other than selfish greed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The goverment is trying to le out the cheats and that was my point! But interviewing these so called work shy people and stopping there benefits can only help!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"how are they paying there own way though, child tax credits and child benefit get paid to people who work too.

Tax credits isnt paid to all parents.. I used to earn to much to qualify.. and tax credits is basically a tax relief.. and if they didnt get it.. those parents would be leaving work.

Child benefit is paid to all, up to those on about 45k.. its hardly a lot..

And there is nothing to say that before people ended up single families that they got anything but child benefit..

What needs changing is the fact that most people on working tax, will be worse off than a single family on benefits. So they go to work for less.

Katie."

Tax credits is a benefit, what i meant was most working families get more back in child tax credit than they actually pay in tax, so while we can all shout that we're paying for benefit scroungers the single working person is actually paying for a lot of working peoples children.

Theres people earning 80K still recieving child tax credits, this will change in april though.

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By *nkednkinky_bbwWoman
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i didnt watch it i cant stand jeremy kyle lol

but people on benifits really annoy me, i know some cant help it and people whole loose their jobs and have to claim while they find another is fair enough, lifes not perfect and all of us will need help at some point

its like the family next door to me that bugs me, ive lived next door to them for 6 years now and neither have worked, they have 5 kids, 2 of which have left school and are neither in further education nor work, they all smoke, always either sat outside the pub or on their garden with cans, i mean how do they afford it? im a single mum so have to work 2 jobs to provide for my kids and i cant afforsd to be supplying booze and fags for me and my kids on a daily basis so how can people on the dole do it?

by the way not that i would buy my kids fags and beer im just making a point that i couldnt afford to even if i wanted to

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The goverment is trying to le out the cheats and that was my point! But interviewing these so called work shy people and stopping there benefits can only help!"

Agree. Totally agree. Any sponger stopped is a good thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am 48 and after all our working lives of my ex and I paying our taxes and NI contributions, I have now had to go on benefits as I have separated from hubby and due to the fact that I have now lost a lot of my eyesight I can't work, I am having to fight to get the benefits I am entitled to, including having to attend medicals which I have to travel miles to and go to work focused interviews, today I was at the job centre as my 13 week assessment phase was up 2 weeks ago and still I have not been moved onto phase 2, whilst there, a foreign gentleman was in there complaining that he was not receiving enough money to support his family, he was dressed in a long leather coat, designer clothes and adorned in enough gold jewelry to give Mr T a run for his money, in due course he was told to come back at 4 and pick a giro payment, which would be for almost £500, I left at the same time as him, he got into into a nearly new BMW, a woman who I assume was his wife was sitting in it, in a fur coat and I'm sorry but I just cried"

I believe there is a "whisleblowing" scheme. If they are not ashamed to cheat and exploit the system then you should not be ashamed to report them.

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By *ig badMan
over a year ago

Up North :-)

Unfortunately here is no social stigma and people don't feel shame these days. And if you look at it logical they are just stealing from the rest of us.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Heres one to get ya teeth into.

Did anyone see the jeremy kyle show on those on benefits the other day.

At the end of it i was so bloody angry at the attitude of those claiming.

One woman was expecting her 7th child..

She was 27 yrs old. And when asked if she was basically taking the p*ss...she replied yes.

And the guy on there was educating his kids on life on benefits and how to go about it.

The last one was a guy commiting fraud by working and getting benefits and had his face hidden.

It really is a joke .

Those that really need help cant get it and yet we keep people like this.

In watching said programme...

It came to light that the single dad...could afford several holidays a year and boasted of going to egypt etc.

The young woman had NEVER work and was not married.

The fella she NOW lived with was offered the chance of an interview for a job by the kyle show and DIDNT turn up.

I can no longer work because of a medical condition, it broke my heart to leave the job i loved and all my old dears.

I have had NO money since beginning of november because of a problem between the two benefit sysyems.

Re sick and dole.

I have once again had to live on the small amount of savings i have left which will soon run out.

It really does annoy me when others seem to take the piss.

And no...in my opinion, the woman in question had no bloody right to have 7 kids whilst everyone has to pay for that privelage.

If she wants 7, then she should work to support them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nobody mentioned the government. That is a totally different subject. Post a new forum if you want to chat on about it.

We are talking about benefit cheats. Those that steal from honest working folk. Those that think that life "owes" them a favour.

Benefit cheats are fucking scum. A total drain on a system that was put in place to help the needy... NOT the wanty.

There is no excuse for it other than selfish greed."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nobody mentioned the government. That is a totally different subject. Post a new forum if you want to chat on about it.

Oh right well i guess thats me told then sorry i didnt realise you were forum be all and end all...such lovely humane comments posted on this forum from the majority all smacks of me me me end of day were all entitled to benefits whether drug addicts women with more than five kids etc and before im further slated ive never claimed benefits or ever been addicted to any drug well except cigs ... ill now wait for the oncoming oh and working smokers who get laid of shouldnt recieve benefits either cos they smoke

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I must admit I did use the system for two years when my youngest was first born. I have always worked but wanted to stay at home and be a proper mum plus not so easy to juggle two children, but whilst on benifits I did voluntary work and studied so I could work around my children and now have a job I thoroughly love. If used it should be a stop gap not a lifestyle choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ys wanna av a go at someone blame the previous and present governments its them that fucked the country economically and its them that pay the benefits and its them that now say theres no money left so lets blame the people who claim benefits its all political spin designed to salvage whatever popularity they may cos its only gonna get finanacially harder for all of us whilst telling us countrys skint yet simultneously tripling foreign aide to other countries funded by us the put upon taxpayers ,,,,, but i guess its so much easier to blame the easier target...ourselves i guess its just to hard to remove the blinkers and see the bigger picture

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and as proven the only people who will really suffer from government benefits cuts is the gen people who really need them the swindlers and the feckless will still get theres ...cos they know how to work the system.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thee job centres are great I had a lone parent adviser who helped me. And I got some great friends who work in our local office. There should be a limit on how long someone is on benifits and while they are on them be available for voluntary work and retraining. And if they are to lazy then benifits cut.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wanted to stay at home and be a proper mum "

Oh please tell me what a "proper" mum is? I'd love to know as I think I may have failed somewhere as I got married, bought a house then had children. I foolishly worked to provide for my children without government handouts as did my husband, but it appears I wasn't a "proper" mum!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wanted to stay at home and be a proper mum

i also have always worked, i went back to work shortly after i had all my kid, ive always worked nights as i refused to work to pay a child minder so the ex worked days while i had the kids and i worked nights while he had the kids

i wouldnt say i wasnt a proper mum because i choose to go back to work

some people tho feel because they have had children their role in life is to stay home and look after them

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By *waymanMan
over a year ago

newcastle

"I think its too standard a system who gets allocated what, i think it should be done via interviews etc,, not just tick boxes and chuck a load of cash at a person.

presumably then you'd whinge when Jeremy Kyle did a programme about the cost of administering the system...

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By *waymanMan
over a year ago

newcastle

"Unfortunately here is no social stigma and people don't feel shame these days. And if you look at it logical they are just stealing from the rest of us.

Using formal logic were you? Or did it just seem like logic to you, (which is of course the antithesis of logical reasoning...)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thee job centres are great I had a lone parent adviser who helped me. And I got some great friends who work in our local office. There should be a limit on how long someone is on benifits and while they are on them be available for voluntary work and retraining. And if they are to lazy then benifits cut. "

Sounds to me your an advocate of work for your dole money which amounts to nothing more than community service which to someone who has worked and been made redundant wouldnt be fair.

As for the long term unemployed i dont really see how scooping up dog shit in there local park is going to motivate them into getting of there arsese and wanting to get back into work this idea is political gimmickery and spin it could only work i guess if laws are passed making it a crime to be unemployed ...i wouldnt put it past them ....funny isnt it the politicians say we need you in work to put money back into our economy yet it was these incompetent greedy grasping incompetent bunch ie the labour party that is the sole reason due to there mishandling of the economy that put millions on the dole to start with

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I lost my job last year, I signed on but because of issues with my last employer, not paying NI contributions, I was only able to claim jobseekers for 3 months, I could not claim for longer as my o/h works more than 25 hours per week.

We get no help fom anywhere, but it pisses me off when people take the piss out of the system. I want to work, have always worked. The people next door don't work, they get the rent paid, they have had loads of work done on their house, new car, all the new tech toys, bah humbug

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's put this in perspective.

We didn't see the show but the social magnifying glass is on benefits at the moment due to Governments cuts & cases of obvious scrounging are highlighted all over the press, giving the impression that folk on benefits are all scroungers , living in mansions with a dozen or so kids. We all know this is Bo**ocks.

Recently our cost cutting Government allowed Vodafone to avoid a £4.85 Billion tax bill & tried to prevent The EU from capping Banker's bonuses.

Whilst the attention is on nasty scroungers,the press isn't focussing on those that are really milking the system, The very rich & large corporations.

It's a smoke screen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i couldnt agree more with you grusome ...but were all swimming against the tide when that drudge that is paraded as a tv show jeremy kyle is taken as factual current affairs program when really its just a load of crap designed to piss people of with no real creditable journalistic research its pure titilation shite ..note the people who started this thread did so after becoming incensed from watching that shite. hmmmmm if they watch that shite and afterwards started slagging of the unemployed then its beggars the question how come they had the time to watch it ..shouldnt they have been in work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

its beggars the question how come they had the time to watch it ..shouldnt they have been in work

V+ mate

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By *edhotminxWoman
over a year ago

Turn left at the Singing Ringing Tree

All this 'benefit scrounger' bashing has a negative effect on others. Yes there are those that cheat the system, and quite blatantly. They play the system for everything they can get, but that's down to a faulty system. You can apply the same scenario to insurance fraud - because of the number of false claims made, we all pay for it with higher premiums each year. I bet everyone knows of someone who has put in a dodgy claim under the pretext of 'I've paid my premiums for years and never claimed once' and 'the insurance companies can afford it' syndrome.

I found myself in a position where I needed to claim benefits. I walked into the office concerned, felt so ashamed and didn't want to be labeled as someone on 'benefits' that I turned tail and left. It had actually taken me two weeks to pluck up the courage to walk into the office in the first place. I've been told that I'm silly, that I am entitled to claim as I've worked all my life and what was I paying my stamp for, and I still cannot face doing so.

More fool me, but it's because of the labelling that I won't claim what, in effect, I am entitled to.

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By *eighleedsMan
over a year ago

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"its beggars the question how come they had the time to watch it ..shouldnt they have been in work

V+ mate"

This, or they could work a nightshift liek i do

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over a year ago

Indeed my thoughts as well...

In 2009....

The cost of benefit fraud £3.1 billion..

The cost of tax evasion £70 billion..

The Department of Work and Pension spent £17.5 million on advertising about benefit fraud in the previous 3 years..

HM Department of Revenue and Customs spent £663,284 on advertising about tax evasion in the previous 3 years..

One could extrapolate that the government values benefit fraud as being 27.6 times more important than benefit fraud..

Really ...I beg to differ ?

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over a year ago

some people tho feel because they have had children their role in life is to stay home and look after them"

I have absolutely no truck with this at all. I just find it annoying that people who are unable to fend for themselves, but get themselves knocked up and claim benefits, put on airs and graces about being "proper mums" that annoy me!

I'll refrain from adding what I really want to say!

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over a year ago

"All this 'benefit scrounger' bashing has a negative effect on others. Yes there are those that cheat the system, and quite blatantly. They play the system for everything they can get, but that's down to a faulty system. You can apply the same scenario to insurance fraud - because of the number of false claims made, we all pay for it with higher premiums each year. I bet everyone knows of someone who has put in a dodgy claim under the pretext of 'I've paid my premiums for years and never claimed once' and 'the insurance companies can afford it' syndrome.

More fool me, but it's because of the labelling that I won't claim what, in effect, I am entitled to. "

I empathise with you......

I`ve been made redundant twice in the last three years....the construction/engineering industry is on its knees.....

Bugger claiming tho......fucking degrading experience......tho my savings are dwindling .....I need work ?...

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

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With many top professional footballers and entertainment stars able to have up to 25% of their earnings paid as 'Image Rights' under our present tax laws....on which they pay between 2% and 5% tax.....then I would say that this country, and successive governments, have used the spector of benefit fraud to divert attention from the fact that the wealthy of this country HAVE ALWAYS been permitted to avoid taxation in a way that the ordinary man (or woman) in the street cannot.

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By *inktherapyCouple
over a year ago

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We have 4 kids. I workrd full time after no 1 and 23 + hours/ week after no 2. After no 3 I started working from home doing massage, stopped after no 4 and a big operation, just restarting. We get no tax credits etc - but obviously do get child benefit (for the time being!!). I've never expected anyone to pay for my children - it was our choice to have this many and we've worked hard to pay for it all

Husband was made redundant twice in 2009. First time started a new job the following week. Second time signed on for JSA for 13 weeks - got £64.30 a week for 13 weeks - taxed at 40%. That (and the child benefit) was all the income we had coming in for those 3 months for a family of 6...

Other than those 13 weeks he has always been in work and paid (damn hefty at times) taxes. As I said above, I've worked most of the time (although earnings too small to pay tax on doing massage

). Made us mad to see just how much some people get and just how little we were entitled to. Job centre also admitted that they couldn't actually help him as he was too high a level for anything they got (he did try lower jobs but no one would take him on the basis that he was likely to jump ship if something better came along..) Grrr!

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over a year ago

"(he did try lower jobs but no one would take him on the basis that he was likely to jump ship if something better came along..) Grrr!"
Pisses my off as well, I am either too qualified or not qualified enough

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over a year ago

"(he did try lower jobs but no one would take him on the basis that he was likely to jump ship if something better came along..) Grrr! Pisses my off as well, I am either too qualified or not qualified enough"

Indeed ...its an employers market at the moment.....

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over a year ago

Indeed ...its an employers market at the moment....."
20+ years in sales, and I couldn't even get a part time job at a well known bed retailer

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over a year ago

Indeed ...its an employers market at the moment.....20+ years in sales, and I couldn't even get a part time job at a well known bed retailer"

I know ..I know.....I`d dig fecking holes with a spoon but? Stick with it mucks....theres a big hole in my life, but working hard on staying positive .....

Least we`ve got company here..and peeps to keep us sane ...or is that oxymoronic !!...I`m kidding Lol....

Thank god fer modern communication ...tho thats a cop out ....plenty of voluntary work,I guess ?....

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over a year ago

Indeed ...its an employers market at the moment.....20+ years in sales, and I couldn't even get a part time job at a well known bed retailer

I know ..I know.....I`d dig fecking holes with a spoon but? Stick with it mucks....theres a big hole in my life, but working hard on staying positive .....

Least we`ve got company here..and peeps to keep us sane ...or is that oxymoronic !!...I`m kidding Lol....

Thank god fer modern communication ...tho thats a cop out ....plenty of voluntary work,I guess ?...."
I'm a glas half full type of guy, so always look at the positive side

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over a year ago

Folks will have child after child knowing full well they can't afford to keep them. But do they care? No as the state will pay for them and they will be given a bigger house. If you can't afford to have kids then don't. Other people manage it.

I feel it's every 15/16 years old dream now to get off up the duff get a nice house from the council and enjoy a life of no work. Lucky for some.

What ever happened to college and university? Don't these folks want to better themselves rather then staying home and watching Jeremy Kyle.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

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My two sons never had the urge to get their girlfriends pregnant at the age of 15 and 16 so they can spend a life on the dole watching Jeremy Kyle thank you....

They went to college, one to Uni, and have very good jobs.

To assume that there is a whole generation that avoids college and Uni is actually the opposite of what is happening in real life....hence record applications for both Colleges and Universities.

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over a year ago

"Folks will have child after child knowing full well they can't afford to keep them. But do they care? No as the state will pay for them and they will be given a bigger house. If you can't afford to have kids then don't. Other people manage it.

I feel it's every 15/16 years old dream now to get off up the duff get a nice house from the council and enjoy a life of no work. Lucky for some.

What ever happened to college and university? Don't these folks want to better themselves rather then staying home and watching Jeremy Kyle."

If that was true every working person would be jacking in there jobs and signing on. It sounds to me your using minority cases that always attract attention and believing the minority are the majority seems like fuzzy logic to me.

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over a year ago

I never said a whole generation did I?

Did I say every single 15/16 year old in Great Britain? Nope.

But we know there are more then a few of that age group that do as a life of lying on ones back producing sprog after sprog is easier then an education and a job.

And rememer this is only my opinion

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over a year ago

O o O oo

"I never said a whole generation did I?

Did I say every single 15/16 year old in Great Britain? Nope.

You did yes.

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over a year ago

Even if it is minority cases it's still bloody annoying. My taxes should go into better hospitals etc not supporting these that know better.

Yes I've been lucky enough to work all my life.

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over a year ago

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Actually you did.....

"I feel it's every 15/16 years old dream now to get off up the duff get a nice house from the council and enjoy a life of no work."

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over a year ago

"I never said a whole generation did I?

Did I say every single 15/16 year old in Great Britain? Nope.

You did yes."

Then it was a typo but my typo is not the issue here is it it's benefit scroungers so let's get back to the topic instead of ripping into everything I post please. Remember this is my point of view and I'm not asking anyone to agree.

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over a year ago

"Actually you did.....

"I feel it's every 15/16 years old dream now to get off up the duff get a nice house from the council and enjoy a life of no work.""

Then it's a typo and my error but let's get back to the subject and not what I typed pleased.

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By *ustyWoman
over a year ago

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i got made redundant year ago last dec when company went into administration, i applied for jsa and was told no as i had capital, was going through a divorce at the time but i still had to survive with my daughter feed and cloth us both ....... no fun at all, i appealed but still never got any i had to live off my saving till i got work again and it is so unfair that the ones who really need the help cant get it and there are the ones who get everything handed on to a plate

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over a year ago

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"I never said a whole generation did I?

Did I say every single 15/16 year old in Great Britain? Nope.

You did yes.

I didn't rip into your post , I answered what you had asked.I NEVER rip into peoples posts, but I will answer when I want to.

You need to remember that you are allowed your point of view but if you are going to give it and then ask a question on it, be prepared for people to answer.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

The media would have us believe that this is a pandemic situation amongst our young, they are brainwashing people into believing that all of our young are like this.

When you see the massive numbers of young people applying to our Universities (in record numbers), and trying to get into college, then it shows (me at least) that there is hope.

Jeremy Kyle bases his whole show on 'Shock TV', wouldn't it be nice for once if he dedicated a whole month of his shows to highlight the tens of thousands of young people that are going into further education and joining our armed forces?

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over a year ago

"I never said a whole generation did I?

Did I say every single 15/16 year old in Great Britain? Nope.

You did yes.

if you made a typing error of that nature then expect to get pulled up on it,people wer'nt aware it was a typo until you just told them

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over a year ago

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She didn't really get pulled up over a typo, she asked a question and I answered

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over a year ago

And I praise people like that. But what gets me is the peeps that think it's so easy to do bugger all. And get paid for it. They leave school and do nothing and expect us to pay for them. It would be a good idea to bring back national service. Least they will get a sense of what a real job is.

Things need to change as this country really is going to the dogs.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

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I just posted a sign (last thursday) in my shop for a Saturday assistant.

By today I have had THIRTY SEVEN youngsters applying for that six hour Saturday job.....that says to me that there are plenty of youngsters looking to better themselves and earn some spends.

So much so that I have decided to employ two Saturday staff now, and intend to send the succesful applicants on a short one day Chocolatier course to give them some pride in their little part time job.

There is hope

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over a year ago

"She didn't really get pulled up over a typo, she asked a question and I answered

Thanks for that

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over a year ago

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"The media would have us believe that this is a pandemic situation amongst our young, they are brainwashing people into believing that all of our young are like this.

When you see the massive numbers of young people applying to our Universities (in record numbers), and trying to get into college, then it shows (me at least) that there is hope.

As like everything, people talk about the negative rather than the positives.

I know there are lots of youngsters going for uni, but I think we would be naive if we thought the likes of what is being reported isn't happening too.

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over a year ago

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"She didn't really get pulled up over a typo, she asked a question and I answered

Thanks for that

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over a year ago

Yes there is hope and seems better in the Southwest but when I go up country back to Birmingham it's dire, there are jobs but no one wants them as they feel it's beneath them.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Unemployment is steadily rising, don't be fooled by the government and media into believing that there are hundreds of thousands of jobs that will bring down these rising figures.

Seven out of Ten new jobs created in the last decade (That's roughly 700,000) turned out to be part time positions of 16 hours or less, most of these went to mothers returning to work in Supermarkets and Chain Stores.

In fact during the last decade the number of full time employed in the UK fell by around 150,000.

Part time working propped up by Tax Credits is the reality for the future of millions of British people.

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over a year ago

"I never said a whole generation did I?

Did I say every single 15/16 year old in Great Britain? Nope.

You did yes."

LOL, I was about to hop to spec savers. Glad I'm not going blind!

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over a year ago

"Unemployment is steadily rising, don't be fooled by the government and media into believing that there are hundreds of thousands of jobs that will bring down these rising figures.

In fact during the last decade the number of full time employed in the UK fell by around 150,000.

Part time working propped up by Tax Credits is the reality for the future of millions of British people.

Indeed so.....

We`re facing another period of mass unemployment....especially amongst the 16~24 yr olds.....another lost generation...

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over a year ago

In one off them kids that got pregnant at 15 and had my son at 16 and im sorry but getting a house and all the rest off it was the last thing on my mind ...... Im a single mum to 3 yes im clamin benefits but not by choice if I could get a job tomorrow then I would but I cant...... I have no family round me to look after my children for me to do the odd hours ...... I have to find job within school hours and that is hard to find a job within them hours ...... Im not lazy or any off the other that people have been saying...... its just hard to find a job that works round me and my family

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over a year ago

What I find with a lot of UK citizens is a sense of superiority when it comes to jobs and what they will or will not do. I lost my job last year and it absolutely knocked me for six. It was out of the blue and for about a week I went into a state of panic. Then I thought, bugger it, there will be something out there. So I started looking (couldn't find anything in the job I'm trained to do) so looked elsewhere. I work in a shop just now. It's not necessarily what I'd choose to do but it's handy, it pays and it will do in the meantime. One thing that has happened is it's made me wonder if I actually want to go back to an office. I'm thinking of doing beauty therapy instead. Every cloud and all that! There are jobs out there, but the amount of times I've heard "the Polish come in and do jobs at wages we wouldn't dream of" type comments makes me laugh. A small wage is better than no wage and it sure beats whining about how the country is out to get you

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over a year ago

And thats a great attitude Princess. I would be the same as you said a small wage is better then no wage.

But like me you have always probably worked some have never worked,so they prefer job seekers allowance to a small wage.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

Well yll be pleased to know that breeding for benefits is probably gonna be eradicated by the government by making them work for there dole ..which to me seems getting community service but commiting no crime.

i empathise with teenagers looking for work some have no options or hope or job prospects then theres the teens that really want to get on in life and go to uni only to be excluded cos now they cant get a grant or pay for there education ..so whats left for them ..to get there gfs pregnant or for girls to become pregnant or turn there hands to crime there options are very limited. Perhaps its worth noting that the majority on benefits in the uk are 18 -24 year olds its for the government to address such as maybe bringing back apprenticeships for example but i aint really holding my breath there.

Also a lot of teens due to no prospects are joining the army now ive nothing against the army anyone whos prepared to get paid 12k a year to get shot at has my full respect but maybe its a sign of how desperate some teens are to find work that they sign up knowing ther gonna get posted to afganistan and get shot at.

as the song goes.. the economy is looking bad lets start another war send the army send the navy stocked with kids from slums if they cant afford a slick attorney we might make them a spy ?

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over a year ago

I will be more pleased when these actions actually happen and not hearsay

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over a year ago

"Well yll be pleased to know that breeding for benefits is probably gonna be eradicated by the government by making them work for there dole ..which to me seems getting community service but commiting no crime.

as the song goes.. the economy is looking bad lets start another war send the army send the navy stocked with kids from slums if they cant afford a slick attorney we might make them a spy ?

Some join the forces because they genuinely want to defend their country. A young lad I know goes for his basic training in February. I talked a lot to him about it. He always wanted to join up ever since he was little. I'd panic if my kids wanted to go but at the same time, I'd respect their willingness and choice, not to mention bravery in doing so. It's not always just because they can't get a job in civvy street. The armed forces hold a very good career path. Yes, it's dangerous at times of war, but then it's dangerous being a police officer, fire fighter all the time. Many choose to do it though, and thank god for them.

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over a year ago

"Even if it is minority cases it's still bloody annoying. My taxes should go into better hospitals etc not supporting these that know better.

Yes I've been lucky enough to work all my life. "

nobodies taxes go into better hospitals they go into mainly funding council pensions schemes ..yes was great to have my pension taken away from me in gordons great plan of doing away with private pensions and it really gives me a warm glow knowing that having my pension robbed that i can rest easy knowing that although i wont have a pension upon retirement as i cant now afford the monthly payments to get back even 100 punds a month on retirement ....... that i am paying for some pen pushing civillian servants pension out of my taxes maybe when im 65 one of these hard working civil servants might throw me some change upon passing me in the subway ie the two tier system.. anyway rant over

Its not your tax that goes into funding hospitls ...its your national insurance contributions that goes into funding hospitals

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over a year ago

Kyle and certain elements of the tabloid press do us no favours by focussing on small minorities and 'suggesting' it's a majority to sell ratings or circulation. Whether it be the welfare state or immigration, they attack by sensationalising the minority.

There are issues, but we have much bigger problems out there.

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By *edhotminxWoman
over a year ago

Turn left at the Singing Ringing Tree

I think you will find that the army no longer takes just anybody - due to cutbacks they only have a set number of places to fill and will do so with whom ever they decide is the best candidate for the jobs. It's not the fallback it once used to be.

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over a year ago

"I think you will find that the army no longer takes just anybody - due to cutbacks they only have a set number of places to fill and will do so with whom ever they decide is the best candidate for the jobs. It's not the fallback it once used to be.

Your correct there x

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over a year ago

"What I find with a lot of UK citizens is a sense of superiority when it comes to jobs and what they will or will not do. I lost my job last year and it absolutely knocked me for six. It was out of the blue and for about a week I went into a state of panic. Then I thought, bugger it, there will be something out there. So I started looking (couldn't find anything in the job I'm trained to do) so looked elsewhere. I work in a shop just now. It's not necessarily what I'd choose to do but it's handy, it pays and it will do in the meantime. One thing that has happened is it's made me wonder if I actually want to go back to an office. I'm thinking of doing beauty therapy instead. Every cloud and all that! There are jobs out there, but the amount of times I've heard "the Polish come in and do jobs at wages we wouldn't dream of" type comments makes me laugh. A small wage is better than no wage and it sure beats whining about how the country is out to get you

Sorry for whining here but cheap european migrant workers were brought here to drive down the wage ....in short would you work for a living knowing the job you do does even cover your living costs ? ,,,whoever said money isnt the be all and end all i guess was someone of inherited wealth ..maybe it isnt but it sure does pave the way for a more comfortable living for workers ..and there families

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over a year ago

Its a question of pride for me so yes I would. I know the car I drive the holidays I take when we can afford them are paid for by me as we worked hard to get those luxuries. We have'nt got much but what we do have is ours.

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over a year ago

"Heres one to get ya teeth into.

Did anyone see the jeremy kyle show on those on benefits the other day.

At the end of it i was so bloody angry at the attitude of those claiming.

One woman was expecting her 7th child..

She was 27 yrs old. And when asked if she was basically taking the p*ss...she replied yes.

And the guy on there was educating his kids on life on benefits and how to go about it.

The last one was a guy commiting fraud by working and getting benefits and had his face hidden.

It really is a joke .

Those that really need help cant get it and yet we keep people like this.

a show with nothing thats designed to make the majority of the population fume whilst giving the people that have the time to watch that crap a good laugh before trotting off on there 2 weekly signing on date

piss poor tv for an easilly pleased audience...simple answer..dont bother watching

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over a year ago

It's not an ideal situation. But it's life. I'd rather be earning more, however, at the moment it's what I'm earning or nothing. I prefer the little bit to the nothing. Life's too short to cry over every set back. Life's a bitch but it can take a kick back every now and again. Try that, instead of seeking more comfortable, make what you have suitable. And find comfort in what you've got instead of focusing on what others have and what you've not. Money does help. Of course it does. But it most certainly is not the be all. In a way I'm glad this happened to me. My children had to accept last years Christmas would be smaller. General day to day things they took for granted they have had to realise they can't have at the moment until I catch up with everything. They have been brilliant about it so I take comfort in the fact that I've brought them up well.

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By *obletonMan
over a year ago

A Home Among The Woodland Creatures

here's an interesting statistic for you.

tax fraud costs the public ten times more than benefit fraud.

so the next time you do a deal with your local builder to get the job done for cash to avoid the vat, just bear in mind that you are ten times more despicable than someone cheating on their income support.

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over a year ago

"here's an interesting statistic for you.

tax fraud costs the public ten times more than benefit fraud.

Brilliantly put! The hypocrisy of humanity never ceases to amaze me.

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over a year ago

"here's an interesting statistic for you.

tax fraud costs the public ten times more than benefit fraud.

And the illegally imported fags and baccy, that extra bottle brought back from holiday, the pirated DVD from the guy down the pub, the illegal music download, the red diesel where it isn't allowed and so on.

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over a year ago

I was not lazy while on benifits as a lone parent you try it I had a new born baby she was born in the august as my eldest wa starting school. And like I say I worked right up to my youngest was born I had paid my taxes blah, blah but Like I say once she was born I claimed benifits. Got involved with mums and tots helped out and volenteered went back to college and got a job by the time she was two. That was my time scale my plan and yes I used the system but now I work around the children and school hours and I am proud of what I have achieved.

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over a year ago

And you just think what people are on while claiming benifits £150 a week income support, tax credits plus child benitfits for each child, Oh and then theres housing benifit and council taxes. People are earning more from the social than going out and earning an honest days pay. So what are the incentives to going out to work.

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over a year ago

Not all teenage mums are scrougers on benefits and wanting council houses,i was a teenage mum got pregnant at 17 and again at 18 and continued working,i did loose my job around the same time split from my ex husband and had no choice but to claim benefits it certainly didnt fund a luxury lifestyle that people say people on benefite have but the money did help us through untill i found work again.

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over a year ago

"And you just think what people are on while claiming benifits £150 a week income support, tax credits plus child benitfits for each child, Oh and then theres housing benifit and council taxes. People are earning more from the social than going out and earning an honest days pay. So what are the incentives to going out to work."

Thats my point

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over a year ago

"here's an interesting statistic for you.

tax fraud costs the public ten times more than benefit fraud.

Absolutely....eyes wide open...

Enlightenment comes when your third eye is in harmony with your turd eye and you can see your own shit......

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By *obletonMan
over a year ago

A Home Among The Woodland Creatures

exactly - and yet we have a tendency to see the purveyors of said items to be loveable rogues, latterday Robin Hoods, when in reality the only distinction between them and the family of 15 that intends to remain on benefits for life is that the dodgy dvd and baccy sellers cost us a lot more and are often connected to real gangsters.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"its beggars the question how come they had the time to watch it ..shouldnt they have been in work

V+ mate"

I watched it because i am presently disabled and not able to work.

I am also signed up for re training at college .

I need a spinal operation to fix problem and then hopefully i will be back out there.

I have no problem with people using the benefit system when they have need to

What i dont like is those taking the p*ss .

I also know that the kyle show isnt "factual" .

I was only commenting how those featured p*ssed me off because of their attitude to the system .

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over a year ago

150 plus further benefits a week 1 sec im gonna just jack my job and go sign on bbl

er what time does the jeremy kyle show start again ?

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over a year ago

The young woman in the show got paid £1.700 per mth

I didnt get that working

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over a year ago

Single paret of two children i was getting £303 a fortnight income support plus £33.70 a week child benifit plus housing and council tax benifits

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By *orestersCouple
over a year ago

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Personally, I blame "Only fools and horses" for making the benefit scrounging, tax-dodging Trotters a national institution.

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over a year ago

Sorry but...

series 1 episode 1

Look, so we don't pay

VAT - we don't pay income tax

or national insurance. On the

other hand, we don't claim dole

money, social security,

supplementary benefit do we, eh,

eh? The Government don't give

us nothing, so we don't give

the Government nothing. Right.

What you complaining about?

the trotters never claimed benefits

take that back!

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over a year ago

"i think all drug addicts should lose entitlement without hesitation and testing should be done

what about those who are prescribed drugs to survive or provide a better existence bit of a draconian view dont ya think ?

so herroin and crack addicts should have lots of money thrown at them to continue their habbit .. i think not!"

Where do you draw the line? Stop health care for the morbidly obese? With most debates of this nature, there is scorn poured at the addict and little actual scorn poured on the reasons addicts get fucked up. One of the most revealing things I've ever witnessed was being allowed to attend an AA meeting in London as a neutral observer. Seeing old Irish guys weeping saying that they'd been pissheads all their life because they couldn't come to terms with the beatings they'd been given by nuns in their childhood was very powerful.

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over a year ago

Have to agree there,when i was on benefits some years ago,i wasnt well off i barely had enough to cover bills and food,i would love to know how people come to the conclusion that single mums on benifits are well off?

Yes the so called single mums who have a man living with them or the ones who are working and claiming will be well off... But living on benefits isnt as nice or cushy as most make out.

Without the benifits i was entitled to i wouldnt have been able to have kept a roof over my kids heads when i split from my ex husband years ago,thanfully i wasnt on benefits for long x

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By *orestersCouple
over a year ago

The Forest

"Sorry but...

series 1 episode 1

Look, so we don't pay

VAT - we don't pay income tax

or national insurance. On the

other hand, we don't claim dole

money, social security,

supplementary benefit do we, eh,

eh? The Government don't give

us nothing, so we don't give

the Government nothing. Right.

What you complaining about?

the trotters never claimed benefits

take that back!

Aha! Didn't they have a council flat in Mandela Towers? That's officially a benefit

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over a year ago

"here's an interesting statistic for you.

tax fraud costs the public ten times more than benefit fraud.

Hmmm. So how despicable does that make Vodafone and their income tax avoidance ways? As much as I agree with you, I find the erection of tax systems designed to help corporations that are off limits to the general public to be far more despicable than Mr and Mrs Smith saving 20% on their conservatory through paying in cash.

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over a year ago

"Sorry but...

series 1 episode 1

Look, so we don't pay

VAT - we don't pay income tax

or national insurance. On the

other hand, we don't claim dole

money, social security,

supplementary benefit do we, eh,

eh? The Government don't give

us nothing, so we don't give

the Government nothing. Right.

What you complaining about?

the trotters never claimed benefits

take that back!

Aha! Didn't they have a council flat in Mandela Towers? That's officially a benefit

social housing is a benefit!!!???

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over a year ago

"ys wanna av a go at someone blame the previous and present governments its them that fucked the country economically and its them that pay the benefits and its them that now say theres no money left so lets blame the people who claim benefits its all political spin designed to salvage whatever popularity they may cos its only gonna get finanacially harder for all of us whilst telling us countrys skint yet simultneously tripling foreign aide to other countries funded by us the put upon taxpayers ,,,,, but i guess its so much easier to blame the easier target...ourselves i guess its just to hard to remove the blinkers and see the bigger picture "

Agreed. Programmes like the Kyle show end up convincing large sections of society that the dole scroungers are to blame. I wish Jeremy Kyle would get the like of Sir Fred Goodwin on the show. Perhaps the Sun would like to go after some of these offshore tax haven users like Rupert Murdoch... oh wait, Murdoch owns the Sun so that won't happen and we'll keep on having Sun stories about dole cheats killing the country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry but...

series 1 episode 1

Look, so we don't pay

VAT - we don't pay income tax

or national insurance. On the

other hand, we don't claim dole

money, social security,

supplementary benefit do we, eh,

eh? The Government don't give

us nothing, so we don't give

the Government nothing. Right.

What you complaining about?

the trotters never claimed benefits

take that back!

Aha! Didn't they have a council flat in Mandela Towers? That's officially a benefit

social housing is a benefit!!!???

Yeah its called housing benefit

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Not if they are paying their own rent.

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over a year ago

so everyone who lives in social housing is in receipt of housing benefit. is that what you're saying?

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By *orestersCouple
over a year ago

The Forest

I think that the waters are being muddied a bit as to the actual definiton of what a benefit is. If a council house has has a structural fault, who pays for the repairs?

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over a year ago

"I think that the waters are being muddied a bit as to the actual definiton of what a benefit is. If a council house has has a structural fault, who pays for the repairs?"

If you pay rent or not if its a council house the council pays for repairs.

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over a year ago

"Not if they are paying their own rent."

well i thought the post was about the incensed range of site members of people unemployed claiming benefits and if your unemplyed you cant afford to pay your rent ..or mortgauge so your given the benefit known as housing benefit am i wrong ?

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over a year ago

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"I think that the waters are being muddied a bit as to the actual definiton of what a benefit is. If a council house has has a structural fault, who pays for the repairs?

If you pay rent or not if its a council house the council pays for repairs."

That sounds like a benefit to me - if my house goes wrong, I have to work some overtime to pay for it.

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over a year ago

"I think that the waters are being muddied a bit as to the actual definiton of what a benefit is. If a council house has has a structural fault, who pays for the repairs?

If you pay rent or not if its a council house the council pays for repairs.

That sounds like a benefit to me - if my house goes wrong, I have to work some overtime to pay for it."

If it was a private rented house the landlord of that house would also have to pay for repairs so there is no differance if it a council house or private rent house,so how can it be another benefit?

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over a year ago

"so everyone who lives in social housing is in receipt of housing benefit. is that what you're saying?"

Pardon ? i just posted my reply in reply to rugby... my i see were ready to pounce thought u was no longer gonna reply to my posts thats no skin of my nose.

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over a year ago

"so everyone who lives in social housing is in receipt of housing benefit. is that what you're saying?

Pardon ? i just posted my reply in reply to rugby... my i see were ready to pounce thought u was no longer gonna reply to my posts thats no skin of my nose. "

and in your reply you quoted my post so how were you replying to someone else

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"Not if they are paying their own rent.

You are getting mixed up,the thread had moved a little to someone who brought up Delboy from only fools and horses, and said he doesnt claim anything or pay anything, someone then mentioned he must claim housing benefit for his council flat and I said not really, not if he is paying rent.

( I can't believe we are discussing wether Delboy pays his rent or not and now my head hurts)

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"I think that the waters are being muddied a bit as to the actual definiton of what a benefit is. If a council house has has a structural fault, who pays for the repairs?

If you pay rent or not if its a council house the council pays for repairs.

That sounds like a benefit to me - if my house goes wrong, I have to work some overtime to pay for it."

It is like any rented house, the owners pay for the repairs not the tenant.

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By *orestersCouple
over a year ago

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Isn't social housing subsidised though, with private rents being generally higher for similar properties?

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"so everyone who lives in social housing is in receipt of housing benefit. is that what you're saying?

Pardon ? i just posted my reply in reply to rugby... my i see were ready to pounce thought u was no longer gonna reply to my posts thats no skin of my nose. "

Ok cool it, if you think people questioning your views and your posts is pouncing then you havn't figured out what forums are for.

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"Isn't social housing subsidised though, with private rents being generally higher for similar properties?"

Not sure, but I do know I was surprised at finding out how much an aquaintance pays for their council house, it isn't cheap.

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over a year ago

I am a council tennant and a couple of years ago had full rewiring new bathroom, kitchen, double glazzing the works now thats a benifit.

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over a year ago

"so everyone who lives in social housing is in receipt of housing benefit. is that what you're saying?

Pardon ? i just posted my reply in reply to rugby... my i see were ready to pounce thought u was no longer gonna reply to my posts thats no skin of my nose.

Ok cool it, if you think people questioning your views and your posts is pouncing then you havn't figured out what forums are for."

if you wish to start an argument with someone go have it with someone else cos i cant really be arsed getting into a debate with you over a fictious television programme

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over a year ago

"Isn't social housing subsidised though, with private rents being generally higher for similar properties?"

Yes i believe they are as im paying 450 a month in rent and have recentley been advised i could get a council flat house for 200 a month

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"so everyone who lives in social housing is in receipt of housing benefit. is that what you're saying?

Pardon ? i just posted my reply in reply to rugby... my i see were ready to pounce thought u was no longer gonna reply to my posts thats no skin of my nose.

Ok cool it, if you think people questioning your views and your posts is pouncing then you havn't figured out what forums are for.

if you wish to start an argument with someone go have it with someone else cos i cant really be arsed getting into a debate with you over a fictious television programme "

you need to calm down your attitude if you want to keep posting on here

You're very confrontational

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over a year ago

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"I am a council tennant and a couple of years ago had full rewiring new bathroom, kitchen, double glazzing the works now thats a benifit."

Yowser - if did all that to my home it would cost me in excess of £20 000. I'd say that was something of a benefit to you!

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over a year ago

"Isn't social housing subsidised though, with private rents being generally higher for similar properties?

Yes i believe they are as im paying 450 a month in rent and have recentley been advised i could get a council flat house for 200 a month "

Doubt that’s down to it being subsidised that’s probably down to you just paying someone else’s mortgage

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over a year ago

Socially rented properties are usually less expensive than similar sized privately rented properties but because of initiatives like Right to Buy a lot of the remaining socially rented properties are in less desirable areas.

Some privately rented properties sit side by side with socially rented properties and this is sometimes the cause of complaints about queus jumping - where someone seems to be getting a council house ahead of people who think they are higher up the list.

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"I think that the waters are being muddied a bit as to the actual definiton of what a benefit is. If a council house has has a structural fault, who pays for the repairs?

If you pay rent or not if its a council house the council pays for repairs.

That sounds like a benefit to me - if my house goes wrong, I have to work some overtime to pay for it."

In any rented accommodation the landlord pays for structural repairs because the property belongs to them. The council are the landlord. You own your house presumably, so you would pay the repairs. For contents tenants have to get insurance, the same as homeowners.

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over a year ago

"I am a council tennant and a couple of years ago had full rewiring new bathroom, kitchen, double glazzing the works now thats a benifit.

Yowser - if did all that to my home it would cost me in excess of £20 000. I'd say that was something of a benefit to you!"

You get the benefit of any improvements to your house should you do decide to sell it. Just the same as Landlords who improve theirs. Tenants don't get the benefit, other than suitable living accommodation which they pay for monthly. Housing benefit is a benefit, residing in a council house is not if you're not in receipt of it. It's just the same as renting elsewhere though you have the added security that your landlord won't chuck you out if he/she decides to sell, like mine did last year -- the git! LOL

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By *orestersCouple
over a year ago

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"I think that the waters are being muddied a bit as to the actual definiton of what a benefit is. If a council house has has a structural fault, who pays for the repairs?

If you pay rent or not if its a council house the council pays for repairs.

That sounds like a benefit to me - if my house goes wrong, I have to work some overtime to pay for it.

I understand that part, I was just questioning whether social housing at a reduced rate in comparison to the market norm for similar privately rented properties was considered a benefit.

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over a year ago

"I think that the waters are being muddied a bit as to the actual definiton of what a benefit is. If a council house has has a structural fault, who pays for the repairs?

If you pay rent or not if its a council house the council pays for repairs.

That sounds like a benefit to me - if my house goes wrong, I have to work some overtime to pay for it.

I understand that part, I was just questioning whether social housing at a reduced rate in comparison to the market norm for similar privately rented properties was considered a benefit."

I don't consider it a benefit. But at the same time all I ever get if I attempt applying for one is, you work, so you can private rent.

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over a year ago

"The young woman in the show got paid £1.700 per mth

I didnt get that working

thats a failsafe 27000 a yr job

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"I am a council tennant and a couple of years ago had full rewiring new bathroom, kitchen, double glazzing the works now thats a benifit.

Yowser - if did all that to my home it would cost me in excess of £20 000. I'd say that was something of a benefit to you!

We were paying £800 a month for a house. We went through a letting agent and everything seemed above board. We moved in July 09 and paid the rent direct to the landlord as she didn't want the agent to deal with it. Just after christmas we got a letter from a solicitor telling us that the owner had defaulted on her mortgage the previous April. The owner was supposed to pay any rent to the solicitors but had been putting it straight in her pocket.They bank then decided to sell the house and expected us to show prospective buyers around the property.It was then that we walked.

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over a year ago

"Isn't social housing subsidised though, with private rents being generally higher for similar properties?"

Not around here its not.. A typical rented house is £450 a month.. a typical housing association is £85-95 pw

But you do have the advantage of a secured tenancy..

Katie.

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"Isn't social housing subsidised though, with private rents being generally higher for similar properties?

Not sure, but I do know I was surprised at finding out how much an aquaintance pays for their council house, it isn't cheap."

it isnt cheap but from someone who works closely to the social housing sector i can tell you that not many pay the rents anyway.

when you come to the top of a certain list you are offered a house at say 100 quid rent a week but your working and dont get the rent paid for you , so you pass it up.

next on the list is kylie ,one of the 15 kids bred out of the pikeys at the end of the road.

kylie has 3 kids of her own and hasnt done a days work in her life and at 19 requires her own pad ,lovingly refurbished to a high standard .

so thats the picture , she moves into the house on all the associated benefits and ussualy moves in her low life boyfriend who knocks her up again ,they claim more benefits and live happily ever after...oh aye..on your money!

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By *orestersCouple
over a year ago

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"Isn't social housing subsidised though, with private rents being generally higher for similar properties?

Not sure, but I do know I was surprised at finding out how much an aquaintance pays for their council house, it isn't cheap.

it isnt cheap but from someone who works closely to the social housing sector i can tell you that not many pay the rents anyway.

when you come to the top of a certain list you are offered a house at say 100 quid rent a week but your working and dont get the rent paid for you , so you pass it up.

next on the list is kylie ,one of the 15 kids bred out of the pikeys at the end of the road.

kylie has 3 kids of her own and hasnt done a days work in her life and at 19 requires her own pad ,lovingly refurbished to a high standard .

I should be so lucky

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By *i 1 Get 1 FreeCouple (MM)
over a year ago

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I was about to add to the debate

But this has left me howling:

"( I can't believe we are discussing wether Delboy pays his rent or not and now my head hurts)"

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By *anny9840Man
over a year ago

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I really dont understand what all the fuss is about the uk is a great country when i first came to your great country i was given money for nothing and 4 bedroomed house courtesy of your generous and wonderfull government, without this start in life and not having to work in a dead end job i was then free to branch out my import export bussiness I have 4 children but the mother did not want me around so of i went the mother of my children does not need my money as she get plenty in state benefits. I am still avoiding the tax man and recieved my british passport 6 months ago

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over a year ago

ITS just a shame ! the people that need help cant seem to get it , surely ! if you dont put into the pot . you cant take out ! FRANKIE XX

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"I really dont understand what all the fuss is about the uk is a great country when i first came to your great country i was given money for nothing and 4 bedroomed house courtesy of your generous and wonderfull government, without this start in life and not having to work in a dead end job i was then free to branch out my import export bussiness I have 4 children but the mother did not want me around so of i went the mother of my children does not need my money as she get plenty in state benefits. I am still avoiding the tax man and recieved my british passport 6 months ago

You may get some "meet" offers soon. Hope you like "peeps in suits".

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By *anny9840Man
over a year ago

Harrogate

You may get some "meet" offers soon. Hope you like "peeps in suits".

Thanks for the offer but i got all the meets i need you uk chicks really love a foreign accent...peeps in suits only if armarni will they be allowed in i do have my standards you know

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By *edhotminxWoman
over a year ago

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"ITS just a shame ! the people that need help cant seem to get it , surely ! if you dont put into the pot . you cant take out ! FRANKIE XX"

Agreed. However you only have to look at the NHS for an eye opener in that scenario. I knew a lady who worked at a hospital near Gatwick Airport. She told me about the number of people who would get off the airplane and come straight to the hospital, with their very large suitcases. They receive treatment, the NHS then take their details because, allegedly, they have to pay back the NHS when they get home. Last year's figures were approx £7 million of unpaid medical bills for treatment on foreign nationals.

It's actually cheaper to buy a ticket and fly to the UK to get free treatment, than to pay for private treatment in their own country. For example, and this does happened, a pregnant lady will fly in, having lied about how far along she actually is, book into a hotel for a week or two, go into labour, get taken to hospital, have baby, then fly home ...... having saved herself approx £15k by having her baby in the UK.

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over a year ago

Doesn't travel insurace cover that though

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over a year ago

"........peeps in suits only if armarni will they be allowed in i do have my standards you know

Where do you get 'armarni' suits? The local car boot sale?

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By *anny9840Man
over a year ago

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from my benefits and pimping of course i would not dream of going to a car boot sale for a start they always take place to early in the morning for me

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over a year ago

"from my benefits and pimping of course i would not dream of going to a car boot sale for a start they always take place to early in the morning for me

I'd check the labels if I were you. If they read 'armarni' - they're fake

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"ITS just a shame ! the people that need help cant seem to get it , surely ! if you dont put into the pot . you cant take out ! FRANKIE XX

I dont think thats true,my exhusbands dad built a Villa in Greece,and planned to live there pernamently but was told that if that was the case if then he wouldnt be able to come back to the UK for free treatment,so now he has to come back and stay in the UK for a mininum 6 wks a year.

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By *orestersCouple
over a year ago

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A&E, walk-in centres and unscheduled care centres are just some of the ways anybody can access quite extensive NHS treatment and no ID is required. It's requested, but not insisted on.

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By *edhotminxWoman
over a year ago

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Actually it is true, it was a regular occurrence at this hospital. Try googling nhs health tourists for more information. We don't offer free health care for foreign nationals/residents, but they know that the NHS never refuses to treat anyone, even if they don't have travel insurance.

The NHS will take down details of a patient like name, address etc, and then send a bill for the cost of the treatment to that person after the event. Now I don't think the NHS has the resources to check thoroughly into someone's identity, especially if they are in labour. Can you imagine the outcry if they tried that? However these health tourists dodge paying their bills and the NHS is left out of pocket.

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over a year ago

surely if they can afford a flight they'd be able to afford £20 travel insurance rather than worrying abour or actualy being chased for a 10K bill in the future.

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over a year ago

"surely if they can afford a flight they'd be able to afford £20 travel insurance rather than worrying abour or actualy being chased for a 10K bill in the future."

If we can't keep track of a large chunk of the population in this country we've got little chance of tracking people down once they've gone home.

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over a year ago

"surely if they can afford a flight they'd be able to afford £20 travel insurance rather than worrying abour or actualy being chased for a 10K bill in the future.

If we can't keep track of a large chunk of the population in this country we've got little chance of tracking people down once they've gone home."

Thats true but why would anyone take that risk, albeit small for £20 or less when they're already saving 10K

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By *edhotminxWoman
over a year ago

Turn left at the Singing Ringing Tree

Ah but that's then insurance fraud. With all good insurance policies you have to declare any previous medical condition. If you fail to declare it and claim, the first thing an insurance company will do is request your medical records. Once they have found the undeclared medical condition in the records (i.e. the 'get out of jail free card'), they will void the policy and not pay anything. Still leaves the NHS unpaid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there are many frauds that attack the economy and the tax payer. benefit fraud actually contributes very little in comparison, but is the most publicised as it is the one that raises public anger and it's what everyone wants to read about.

not everyone on benefits is a scrounger.

i work full time and i pay my taxes...i accept that as i am constantly aware that i am fortunate to work now, but it might not always be the case.

we are living hard times and many more people on this site will be seeing the back of the unemployment line soon...judge not....

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