FabSwingers.com forum: Mechanics? Cv joint

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Got a creaking sound when steering suspecting it's the CV joint.

Had it serviced today and Honda said they couldn't hear it over the exhaust..which I complete bollocks, also left a little side note of £475 to put the exhaust back to standard...also bollocks

How long would it usually take to change the CV joint? Again, presuming that's what it is, Honda said they couldn't see anything visual that they could identity as the creaking.

1.8 2013 civic if it helps, also still under warranty

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By *errygTV/TS
over a year ago

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you will find you tube clips on most jobs for makes of cars and forums if you type it in search engine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Id to get 2 changed by a mechanic mate charged me 80 quid for parts and labour .... honda prob charge around 300 thats only a estimation parts are bout 15 to 20 quid

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They're really easy to replace, sometimes a bit stiff to crack the joint from the arm.

Remember to buy replacement boots in case you damage them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Someone page mrwho!

He's bound to know this shit!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"you will find you tube clips on most jobs for makes of cars and forums if you type it in search engine"

I'll also find an answer on here, usually a lot quicker too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They're really easy to replace, sometimes a bit stiff to crack the joint from the arm.

Remember to buy replacement boots in case you damage them. "

to this

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"They're really easy to replace, sometimes a bit stiff to crack the joint from the arm.

Remember to buy replacement boots in case you damage them. "

They've confirmed any work will be under warranty so it'll be them doing it, just wanted an indicator to what id be looking at if it is the cv, time wise etc. Never had one changed before

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you will find you tube clips on most jobs for makes of cars and forums if you type it in search engine

I'll also find an answer on here, usually a lot quicker too

It depends on your ability, accessibility to the CV joint (obviously gonna be easier on a lift than a small jack). Couple of hours really at most, if you're taking your time.

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By *ire_bladeMan
over a year ago

Manchester

If it's a cv joint I'd expect more a knock when applying full lock but I suppose it is possible. I'd also dawt it's the cv with it being so young unless we are talking galactic miles. Honda are normally very good cars albeit expensive when they do go wrong which to be fair isn't often

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They're really easy to replace, sometimes a bit stiff to crack the joint from the arm.

Remember to buy replacement boots in case you damage them.

They've confirmed any work will be under warranty so it'll be them doing it, just wanted an indicator to what id be looking at if it is the cv, time wise etc. Never had one changed before "

Ah sorry I thought you were doing it yourself. If it's a professional, they'd probably take an hour or less. Depends on if they fucked your alignment during the work and need to fix that.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Inner or outer?

I can't think I've ever had one creaking, knocking,grumbling, yes creaking?

Are you sure it's your CV.

Could be your power steering pump on full lock maybe

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Inner or outer?

I can't think I've ever had one creaking, knocking,grumbling, yes creaking?

Are you sure it's your CV.

Could be your power steering pump on full lock maybe"

I'm it sure what it is, it creaks when turning slightly or full lock, it's nothing that could be diagnosed visually, it's got worse over the past few weeks.

That's all the info I have on it.

I'm not a fan of having work done at a dealership but since it's under warranty that's where it's going.

They asked me back next week for a road test with a technician, how they claim to be unable to hear it over the exhaust is beyond me as its a rather loud creak it's making.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it a rack and pinion? Maybe that needs lubricating.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ball joint.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Is it a rack and pinion? Maybe that needs lubricating. "

I have no idea.

I have very little knowledge on car mechanics, this is the first car I've kept longer than 5 months so it's the first bit of bother I've had to deal with (other than a Peugeot which completely fell apart)

It's a 2013 with 37,200 miles on it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it a rack and pinion? Maybe that needs lubricating.

I have no idea.

It's a 2013 with 37,200 miles on it. "

Probably will be. Tbh there's dozens of reasons for creaking so impossible to diagnose. If under warranty, leave it to them. Just means you may have to wait a bit longer for the mechanic to figure it out.

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

"If it's a cv joint I'd expect more a knock when applying full lock but I suppose it is possible. I'd also dawt it's the cv with it being so young unless we are talking galactic miles. Honda are normally very good cars albeit expensive when they do go wrong which to be fair isn't often"

id quote what they said if cv shows up more when on full lock then it does on slight turning

sounds more like your bearings on the drum / disk

a worn cv also has a knock but not always when you engauge the gears and apply force to the tyres through the engine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Got a creaking sound when steering suspecting it's the CV joint.

Had it serviced today and Honda said they couldn't hear it over the exhaust..which I complete bollocks, also left a little side note of £475 to put the exhaust back to standard...also bollocks

How long would it usually take to change the CV joint? Again, presuming that's what it is, Honda said they couldn't see anything visual that they could identity as the creaking.

1.8 2013 civic if it helps, also still under warranty

May be bottom ball joint or McPherson strut mount

I would not have thought drive shaft creaks but then I have not heard sound

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By *ire_bladeMan
over a year ago

Manchester

I think you mean a ball joint not cv joint. A cv joint is at the end of your drive shaft. A ball joint end of your steering rack but also 1 on your lower arms

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Inner or outer?

I can't think I've ever had one creaking, knocking,grumbling, yes creaking?

Are you sure it's your CV.

Could be your power steering pump on full lock maybe

I'm it sure what it is, it creaks when turning slightly or full lock, it's nothing that could be diagnosed visually, it's got worse over the past few weeks.

That's all the info I have on it.

I'm not a fan of having work done at a dealership but since it's under warranty that's where it's going.

They asked me back next week for a road test with a technician, how they claim to be unable to hear it over the exhaust is beyond me as its a rather loud creak it's making."

That is definitely bottom ball joint to be changed first and check track rod ends . Definitely check drop links then mcphrrsont strut mount to be replaced

Stuff that I say needs replacing replace ball joint first even if ok and the strut mount even if ok

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think you mean a ball joint not cv joint. A cv joint is at the end of your drive shaft. A ball joint end of your steering rack but also 1 on your lower arms "

It's definitely not cv joint I have heard on some renaults a similar noise that was hubs . But renaults are shit anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You tube has lots of examples of C.V. Noise. Creaking tends to be suspension joints if going in a straight line over rough/bumpy roads C.V noise comes only when on full lock going round a corner and tends to be loader the fast and sharper you go round the corner. A C.v joint is easier to spot on road test and not by examining by sight. Normally a cv joint can be replaced in about an hour. Messy but easy to do. Replacing joint should not effect steering geometry. I've never had to replace an inner joint it's always the outer that goes as this does most of the work when cornering.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They're really easy to replace, sometimes a bit stiff to crack the joint from the arm.

Remember to buy replacement boots in case you damage them.

They've confirmed any work will be under warranty so it'll be them doing it, just wanted an indicator to what id be looking at if it is the cv, time wise etc. Never had one changed before "

If they are ready to work on it wheny ou arrive....no more than an hour...even in Honda time...but guaranteed they will take longer with it sitting around!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They're really easy to replace, sometimes a bit stiff to crack the joint from the arm.

Remember to buy replacement boots in case you damage them. "

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"They're really easy to replace, sometimes a bit stiff to crack the joint from the arm.

Remember to buy replacement boots in case you damage them.

They've confirmed any work will be under warranty so it'll be them doing it, just wanted an indicator to what id be looking at if it is the cv, time wise etc. Never had one changed before

If they are ready to work on it wheny ou arrive....no more than an hour...even in Honda time...but guaranteed they will take longer with it sitting around!"

I can get a courtesy car free of charge from them, so they can have as many tea breaks as they please

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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Sorry I'm at work and didn't see the Bat signal until now.

I'd say roughly 45 mins labour and about £25 for the part.

Have a look at J&R drive shafts. Their parts are excellent and cheap. They come with a 3yr warranty too. I'm just about to fit a J&R drive shaft to my Alfa.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also if it's creaking it could be the suspension bushes (usually upper wishbone). Get some red silicone spray grease from Halfrauds and give all the bushes a spray, if the noise vanishes you've found your culprit. Mine creak in the freezing weather too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just going to say a creaking in cold weather could be the rubber bushes on the anti roll bar or wishbones. CV joints usually 'tick' with lock on and acceleration but creaking is different.

Use a non oil based grease like silicone or even just water on various bushes to see if it stops as oil grease can attack rubber.

Also as an ongoing tip never turn your steering when stationary - it loads the steering something rotten.

Creep forwards and back as you turn to stop damage.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Somehow missed MrWho's post.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Somehow missed MrWho's post. "

You speak wise words sir....

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By *arnayguyMan
over a year ago

Durham Tees

Make sure it is not your elbow

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Make sure it is not your elbow

At first I thought I'd broke something with the bass

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By *moothies.Couple
over a year ago

Woodthorpe

What is it if it sounds like chew baca when reverse parking?

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

The anti roll bar end joints used to creak like this on my focus

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By *moothies.Couple
over a year ago

Woodthorpe

"The anti roll bar end joints used to creak like this on my focus

Are you talking to me???? (In the Best American accent I can manage)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The anti roll bar end joints used to creak like this on my focus

Anti roll bar ends?

Do you mean the drop-links or the anti roll bar bushes?

The drop-links usually knock and the bushes will creak and knock.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is it if it sounds like chew baca when reverse parking?

Sticking brake caliper or suspension bush. What car?

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

"The anti roll bar end joints used to creak like this on my focus

Anti roll bar ends?

Do you mean the drop-links or the anti roll bar bushes?the drop links

The drop-links usually knock and the bushes will creak and knock."

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By *moothies.Couple
over a year ago

Woodthorpe

"What is it if it sounds like chew baca when reverse parking?

Sticking brake caliper or suspension bush. What car?"

Ermmmmmm a big red one

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By *inzi LTV/TS
over a year ago

The Garden of Eden in Beautiful North Wales

I'd be inclined to check the ball joints, trackrod ends and steering rack. CV'S knock, they don't creak. As others have mentioned it could be a bush somewhere. An easy diagnosis is to slowly spray each bush with WD40, if the noise dissappear, bingo. If it persists then it's probably a ball joint and/or the steering rack. You can do the same tests on the ball joints but it's a bit trickier as you have to get inside the bj boot.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"Just going to say a creaking in cold weather could be the rubber bushes on the anti roll bar or wishbones. CV joints usually 'tick' with lock on and acceleration but creaking is different.

Use a non oil based grease like silicone or even just water on various bushes to see if it stops as oil grease can attack rubber.

Also as an ongoing tip never turn your steering when stationary - it loads the steering something rotten.

Creep forwards and back as you turn to stop damage.

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its also not very good for your tyres

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A CV joint doesn't necessarily creak when steering. It will sound like somebody is playing castanets under your bonnet as you are driving (torque transfer) and applying steering lock. Os this what's happening?

If you are only getting a creak from the suspension - front end - whilst the car is stationary and applying steering movement? It could possibly be the beginings of a dry ball joint, wishbone bush or top damper mount.

To be fair, most dealers/ mechanics will only change components or find issues that have actual excessive wear and tear and excess movement rather than the odd creak.

Has the dealer actually heard the noise?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You tube has lots of examples of C.V. Noise. Creaking tends to be suspension joints if going in a straight line over rough/bumpy roads C.V noise comes only when on full lock going round a corner and tends to be loader the fast and sharper you go round the corner. A C.v joint is easier to spot on road test and not by examining by sight. Normally a cv joint can be replaced in about an hour. Messy but easy to do. Replacing joint should not effect steering geometry. I've never had to replace an inner joint it's always the outer that goes as this does most of the work when cornering.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm no mechanic but I can fix quite a few car problems. I've not heard of a creaking cv before but that could be lack of knowledge I'd be more inclined to say ball joints a good way to check is try to spray wd40 on them and see if it reduces the sound if it does there's your problem

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"\............/

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My attempt at producing a bat-signal for mrwho

Sorry I'm at work and didn't see the Bat signal until now.

I'd say roughly 45 mins labour and about £25 for the part.

Have a look at J&R drive shafts. Their parts are excellent and cheap. They come with a 3yr warranty too. I'm just about to fit a J&R drive shaft to my Alfa.

Can you come and sort out my creaking too?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just going to say a creaking in cold weather could be the rubber bushes on the anti roll bar or wishbones. CV joints usually 'tick' with lock on and acceleration but creaking is different.

Use a non oil based grease like silicone or even just water on various bushes to see if it stops as oil grease can attack rubber.

Also as an ongoing tip never turn your steering when stationary - it loads the steering something rotten.

Creep forwards and back as you turn to stop damage.

Good tip- I always learn something on car threads!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm no mechanic but I can fix quite a few car problems. I've not heard of a creaking cv before but that could be lack of knowledge I'd be more inclined to say ball joints a good way to check is try to spray wd40 on them and see if it reduces the sound if it does there's your problem

NEVER use WD40 on any parts that require grease or are made of plastic or rubber.

Firstly WD40 dissolves grease and will leave something like a CV joint dry causing premature failure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is it if it sounds like chew baca when reverse parking?

Sticking brake caliper or suspension bush. What car?

Ermmmmmm a big red one

You'll have to bring it round while you're on your road trip, I'm LE67 so not too far out of your way.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

NEVER use WD40 on any parts that require grease or are made of plastic or rubber.

Firstly WD40 dissolves grease and will leave something like a CV joint dry causing premature failure.

Secondly, spraying it on a rubber bush will cause the bush to soften and over compress or split, again, a premature failure (and in the case of suspension bushes possibly very dangerous). Don't spray it on plastic electrical connectors either, it can cause certain plastics to soften (sometimes dissolve entirely) which can cause a short circuit and possibly a fire."
bang on it is a solvent we have to treat it as a hazardous waste when we collect it at work so in with the rest of the nasties it goes . if your cleaning electricals best bet is elecrical switch cleaner doesent leave any silicone resodue to attract dirt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

NEVER use WD40 on any parts that require grease or are made of plastic or rubber.

Firstly WD40 dissolves grease and will leave something like a CV joint dry causing premature failure.

Secondly, spraying it on a rubber bush will cause the bush to soften and over compress or split, again, a premature failure (and in the case of suspension bushes possibly very dangerous). Don't spray it on plastic electrical connectors either, it can cause certain plastics to soften (sometimes dissolve entirely) which can cause a short circuit and possibly a fire.bang on it is a solvent we have to treat it as a hazardous waste when we collect it at work so in with the rest of the nasties it goes . if your cleaning electricals best bet is elecrical switch cleaner doesent leave any silicone resodue to attract dirt

Yes, either Servisol Super 10 or neat isopropyl alcohol for cleaning electrical connectors.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

NEVER use WD40 on any parts that require grease or are made of plastic or rubber.

Firstly WD40 dissolves grease and will leave something like a CV joint dry causing premature failure.

And that's why I'm not a mechanic

as you were

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

NEVER use WD40 on any parts that require grease or are made of plastic or rubber.

Firstly WD40 dissolves grease and will leave something like a CV joint dry causing premature failure.

And that's why I'm not a mechanic

as you were"

To be fair I've seen plenty of apparently good mechanics do the same thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

NEVER use WD40 on any parts that require grease or are made of plastic or rubber.

Firstly WD40 dissolves grease and will leave something like a CV joint dry causing premature failure.

And that's why I'm not a mechanic

as you were

To be fair I've seen plenty of apparently good mechanics do the same thing."

Must be a bodge attempt I've sprayed the ball joints with wd40 a few times before now too.. Oops

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

NEVER use WD40 on any parts that require grease or are made of plastic or rubber.

Firstly WD40 dissolves grease and will leave something like a CV joint dry causing premature failure.

And that's why I'm not a mechanic

as you were

To be fair I've seen plenty of apparently good mechanics do the same thing.

Must be a bodge attempt I've sprayed the ball joints with wd40 a few times before now too.. Oops

I wouldn't say bodges attempt, it's just lack of knowledge/understanding. Many people (including professionals) seem to think WD40 is a wonder product, and under the right circumstances it can be, however it is not suitable for a lot of jobs and can actually cause a lot of damage.

This is where being a nerd can be a good thing.

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By *andsCouple
over a year ago

south birmingham

"Got a creaking sound when steering suspecting it's the CV joint.

Had it serviced today and Honda said they couldn't hear it over the exhaust..which I complete bollocks, also left a little side note of £475 to put the exhaust back to standard...also bollocks

Could be your elbows

How long would it usually take to change the CV joint? Again, presuming that's what it is, Honda said they couldn't see anything visual that they could identity as the creaking.

1.8 2013 civic if it helps, also still under warranty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I use the silicone grease meant for caliper slides for everything as it is non reactive to rubber and plastic.

Including on threads of nuts and bolts where you have 2 different metals.

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By *moothies.Couple
over a year ago

Woodthorpe

"What is it if it sounds like chew baca when reverse parking?

Sticking brake caliper or suspension bush. What car?

Ermmmmmm a big red one

You'll have to bring it round while you're on your road trip, I'm LE67 so not too far out of your way."

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"I use the silicone grease meant for caliper slides for everything as it is non reactive to rubber and plastic.

Including on threads of nuts and bolts where you have 2 different metals. "
be very care full about which bolts you lubricate this way as you can get a hydraulic action due to the lubricant can cause the bolt to fail through being over stressedc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

CV joints going on a car from 2013....bit crap.... Should last years....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"CV joints going on a car from 2013....bit crap.... Should last years...."

Given the state of the roads these days (potholes, sunken manholes and drains) its hardly surprising. I see loads of newer cars needing CV joints, driveshafts, track rod ends and various other suspension components.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I use the silicone grease meant for caliper slides for everything as it is non reactive to rubber and plastic.

Including on threads of nuts and bolts where you have 2 different metals. be very care full about which bolts you lubricate this way as you can get a hydraulic action due to the lubricant can cause the bolt to fail through being over stressedc"

Oops yes nothing load bearing like wheelnuts as you should reduce the torque to maintain the same preload.

Meant things like undertray bolts that rust or go into nylon clips that harden, or airbox screws.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"CV joints going on a car from 2013....bit crap.... Should last years....

Just to make another point, it seems worse when I'm using the accelerator and turning than just free wheeling and turning.

And about the pot holes...there is some round here that are small craters

I've been unfortunate enough to hit quite a few that have made me cringe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"CV joints going on a car from 2013....bit crap.... Should last years....

Just to make another point, it seems worse when I'm using the accelerator and turning than just free wheeling and turning.

And about the pot holes...there is some round here that are small craters

I've been unfortunate enough to hit quite a few that have made me cringe. "

From that description it sounds more like the gearbox side drive shaft.

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By *oyce69Man
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Haven't read all the posts so maybe already said ;

1. it may be the rubber gather and not the joint itself. Jack it up and tilt the wheel top to bottom...If there is a slight movement...the joint needs replaced. If it doesn't then rotate the wheel...If you hear the Creeking. ..check the rubber gatter. It could be inner joint too...so check that.

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