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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids." I suspect that Jeremy could afford to buy his own bloody bike. | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids." Cycling lessons are free in London and bike hire is free for 30 mins but if you want it longer it's £2 for 24 hours. | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. I suspect that Jeremy could afford to buy his own bloody bike." Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, people with good hearts think he deserves a present. The surplus will be going to a charity, most likely Calais Action. | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. I suspect that Jeremy could afford to buy his own bloody bike. Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, people with good hearts think he deserves a present. The surplus will be going to a charity, most likely Calais Action." The average salary for an MP is £67,000. I think the people with good hearts might do better donating their money directly to a charity. | |||
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"I don't see why he just doesn't use a Boris bike  " My god Boris wouldn't let him use his bike and rightly so Corbyn is the best thing that has ever happened to the conservative party as he will never become a prime minister thank god. | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. I suspect that Jeremy could afford to buy his own bloody bike. Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, people with good hearts think he deserves a present. The surplus will be going to a charity, most likely Calais Action. The average salary for an MP is £67,000. I think the people with good hearts might do better donating their money directly to a charity." But how would that buy Jeremy Corbyn a bike, and underline how out of touch with reality The Telegraph is? You haven't thought this through at all. | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. I suspect that Jeremy could afford to buy his own bloody bike. Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, people with good hearts think he deserves a present. The surplus will be going to a charity, most likely Calais Action. The average salary for an MP is £67,000. I think the people with good hearts might do better donating their money directly to a charity." There's a bonus (£60,000 ish) for the Leader of the Opposition. | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. I suspect that Jeremy could afford to buy his own bloody bike. Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, people with good hearts think he deserves a present. The surplus will be going to a charity, most likely Calais Action. The average salary for an MP is £67,000. I think the people with good hearts might do better donating their money directly to a charity. But how would that buy Jeremy Corbyn a bike, and underline how out of touch with reality The Telegraph is? You haven't thought this through at all." Out of touch with reality? Really? £67,000 is quite enough to buy a bike (yes, in reality). | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. I suspect that Jeremy could afford to buy his own bloody bike. Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, people with good hearts think he deserves a present. The surplus will be going to a charity, most likely Calais Action. The average salary for an MP is £67,000. I think the people with good hearts might do better donating their money directly to a charity. But how would that buy Jeremy Corbyn a bike, and underline how out of touch with reality The Telegraph is? You haven't thought this through at all. Out of touch with reality? Really? £67,000 is quite enough to buy a bike (yes, in reality)." Yes, The Telegraph is completely out of touch with reality. The only people who don't think so are, obviously, completely out of touch with reality. And why do you think this topic is about 'can Jeremy Corbyn afford to buy a bike'? | |||
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"So Comrade Jez made a comment to a magazine that his dream was a £475 Raleigh bike. The Telegraph, always on watchful of how they might serve their multi-millionaire masters, wrote a 'news' 'article' about how this 'revelation' of Jeremy Corbyn's naked desire for a very modest bike tells us something about him (and in tweets they deleted, implied it cast doubt on his commitment to socialism): http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12097362/Jeremy-Corbyn-reveals-his-dearest-wish-is-a-475-bicycle.html Now some enterprising souls have started a crowd funding campaign to buy Jez his bike. It's already at over £4K with 27 days left to go, so looks like a new bike for Jeremy thanks to The Telegraph: http://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/lets-get-jez-his-dream-bike/ Possibly the only time in living memory anything printed in The Telegraph can be said to have had a worthwhile effect! "Bit unfair on the UK's most popular broadsheet | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. I suspect that Jeremy could afford to buy his own bloody bike. Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, people with good hearts think he deserves a present. The surplus will be going to a charity, most likely Calais Action." To buy bulldozers? | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. I suspect that Jeremy could afford to buy his own bloody bike. Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, people with good hearts think he deserves a present. The surplus will be going to a charity, most likely Calais Action. To buy bulldozers? "Lol - and lighter fluid | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. I suspect that Jeremy could afford to buy his own bloody bike. Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, people with good hearts think he deserves a present. The surplus will be going to a charity, most likely Calais Action. The average salary for an MP is £67,000. I think the people with good hearts might do better donating their money directly to a charity. But how would that buy Jeremy Corbyn a bike, and underline how out of touch with reality The Telegraph is? You haven't thought this through at all. Out of touch with reality? Really? £67,000 is quite enough to buy a bike (yes, in reality). Yes, The Telegraph is completely out of touch with reality. The only people who don't think so are, obviously, completely out of touch with reality. And why do you think this topic is about 'can Jeremy Corbyn afford to buy a bike'?" Well, for once, at least, the Telegraph may be in touch with reality. | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. I suspect that Jeremy could afford to buy his own bloody bike. Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, people with good hearts think he deserves a present. The surplus will be going to a charity, most likely Calais Action. The average salary for an MP is £67,000. I think the people with good hearts might do better donating their money directly to a charity. But how would that buy Jeremy Corbyn a bike, and underline how out of touch with reality The Telegraph is? You haven't thought this through at all. Out of touch with reality? Really? £67,000 is quite enough to buy a bike (yes, in reality). Yes, The Telegraph is completely out of touch with reality. The only people who don't think so are, obviously, completely out of touch with reality. And why do you think this topic is about 'can Jeremy Corbyn afford to buy a bike'? Well, for once, at least, the Telegraph may be in touch with reality." I thought it was always in touch with reality At least 'south of the border' Ie below Watford gap | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. I suspect that Jeremy could afford to buy his own bloody bike. Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, people with good hearts think he deserves a present. The surplus will be going to a charity, most likely Calais Action. To buy bulldozers?
Lol - and lighter fluid "According to Katie Melua there are nine million bicycles in Beijing, maybe use the surplus and buy Corbyn a one way ticket there? | |||
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"Where do you donate? Put me down a fiver. " I'll send you my bank details | |||
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" Possibly the only time in living memory anything printed in The Telegraph can be said to have had a worthwhile effect! "The best part about reading the Torygraph (apart from the fact that it is one of only two papers that work on my phone) is the warm fuzzy feeling you get from doing their on-line polls, when the result says "9% of our readership agrees with you"
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" Possibly the only time in living memory anything printed in The Telegraph can be said to have had a worthwhile effect!
The best part about reading the Torygraph (apart from the fact that it is one of only two papers that work on my phone) is the warm fuzzy feeling you get from doing their on-line polls, when the result says "9% of our readership agrees with you"
Mr ddc"8 times more people read it than the independent and 3 times more than guardian Must share a popular message In fact out of the top 5 million papers sold - 4.1 million are right wing Sun Mail Telegraph And only one is left The mirror | |||
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" Possibly the only time in living memory anything printed in The Telegraph can be said to have had a worthwhile effect!
The best part about reading the Torygraph (apart from the fact that it is one of only two papers that work on my phone) is the warm fuzzy feeling you get from doing their on-line polls, when the result says "9% of our readership agrees with you"
Mr ddc
8 times more people read it than the independent and 3 times more than guardian
Must share a popular message
In fact out of the top 5 million papers sold - 4.1 million are right wing
Sun
Mail
Telegraph
And only one is left
The mirror "I'd like to see where that statistic came from. But also the thing with tabloid papers is that people read them because they show them what they are comfortable with reading, what their social group reads and what ideals are held by the tabloid an the readership. In short people don't like having their morals, principals and brains challenged. | |||
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" Possibly the only time in living memory anything printed in The Telegraph can be said to have had a worthwhile effect!
The best part about reading the Torygraph (apart from the fact that it is one of only two papers that work on my phone) is the warm fuzzy feeling you get from doing their on-line polls, when the result says "9% of our readership agrees with you"
Mr ddc
8 times more people read it than the independent and 3 times more than guardian
Must share a popular message
In fact out of the top 5 million papers sold - 4.1 million are right wing
Sun
Mail
Telegraph
And only one is left
The mirror "Younger people, who tend to be more liberal buy less newspapers - they are more inclinded to view their news online. Newspaper sales figures are therefore not a full picture at all. | |||
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" Possibly the only time in living memory anything printed in The Telegraph can be said to have had a worthwhile effect!
The best part about reading the Torygraph (apart from the fact that it is one of only two papers that work on my phone) is the warm fuzzy feeling you get from doing their on-line polls, when the result says "9% of our readership agrees with you"
Mr ddc
8 times more people read it than the independent and 3 times more than guardian
Must share a popular message
In fact out of the top 5 million papers sold - 4.1 million are right wing
Sun
Mail
Telegraph
And only one is left
The mirror
I'd like to see where that statistic came from.
But also the thing with tabloid papers is that people read them because they show them what they are comfortable with reading, what their social group reads and what ideals are held by the tabloid an the readership.
In short people don't like having their morals, principals and brains challenged. "ABC - audit bureau of circulation UK Very patronising view: you clearly think because you read a broadsheet your superior than tabloid oiks | |||
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" Possibly the only time in living memory anything printed in The Telegraph can be said to have had a worthwhile effect!
The best part about reading the Torygraph (apart from the fact that it is one of only two papers that work on my phone) is the warm fuzzy feeling you get from doing their on-line polls, when the result says "9% of our readership agrees with you"
Mr ddc
8 times more people read it than the independent and 3 times more than guardian
Must share a popular message
In fact out of the top 5 million papers sold - 4.1 million are right wing
Sun
Mail
Telegraph
And only one is left
The mirror
Younger people, who tend to be more liberal buy less newspapers - they are more inclinded to view their news online. Newspaper sales figures are therefore not a full picture at all. "I'm younger I'm not liberal But I get your point Daily mail - second largest online newspaper behind NYtimes - thats a right wing paper | |||
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"Why not make it a tandem? Then he can give his old fuck buddy Diane Abbott a lift. "I pity that bike seat | |||
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" Possibly the only time in living memory anything printed in The Telegraph can be said to have had a worthwhile effect!
The best part about reading the Torygraph (apart from the fact that it is one of only two papers that work on my phone) is the warm fuzzy feeling you get from doing their on-line polls, when the result says "9% of our readership agrees with you"
Mr ddc
8 times more people read it than the independent and 3 times more than guardian
Must share a popular message
In fact out of the top 5 million papers sold - 4.1 million are right wing
Sun
Mail
Telegraph
And only one is left
The mirror
Younger people, who tend to be more liberal buy less newspapers - they are more inclinded to view their news online. Newspaper sales figures are therefore not a full picture at all.
I'm younger
I'm not liberal
But I get your point
Daily mail - second largest online newspaper behind NYtimes - thats a right wing paper "I just did a little guesstimation calculation. Daily Mail monthly hits - 79m Guardian monthly hits - 65m You can see that although The Guardian sells much less in terms of hardcopies, it's web presence is significantly more than its hardcopy sales would indicate. | |||
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" Possibly the only time in living memory anything printed in The Telegraph can be said to have had a worthwhile effect!
The best part about reading the Torygraph (apart from the fact that it is one of only two papers that work on my phone) is the warm fuzzy feeling you get from doing their on-line polls, when the result says "9% of our readership agrees with you"
Mr ddc
8 times more people read it than the independent and 3 times more than guardian
Must share a popular message
In fact out of the top 5 million papers sold - 4.1 million are right wing
Sun
Mail
Telegraph
And only one is left
The mirror
Younger people, who tend to be more liberal buy less newspapers - they are more inclinded to view their news online. Newspaper sales figures are therefore not a full picture at all.
I'm younger
I'm not liberal
But I get your point
Daily mail - second largest online newspaper behind NYtimes - thats a right wing paper
I just did a little guesstimation calculation.
Daily Mail monthly hits - 79m
Guardian monthly hits - 65m
You can see that although The Guardian sells much less in terms of hardcopies, it's web presence is significantly more than its hardcopy sales would indicate. "Where's those numbers coming from? | |||
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" Possibly the only time in living memory anything printed in The Telegraph can be said to have had a worthwhile effect!
The best part about reading the Torygraph (apart from the fact that it is one of only two papers that work on my phone) is the warm fuzzy feeling you get from doing their on-line polls, when the result says "9% of our readership agrees with you"
Mr ddc
8 times more people read it than the independent and 3 times more than guardian
Must share a popular message
In fact out of the top 5 million papers sold - 4.1 million are right wing
Sun
Mail
Telegraph
And only one is left
The mirror
Younger people, who tend to be more liberal buy less newspapers - they are more inclinded to view their news online. Newspaper sales figures are therefore not a full picture at all.
I'm younger
I'm not liberal
But I get your point
Daily mail - second largest online newspaper behind NYtimes - thats a right wing paper
I just did a little guesstimation calculation.
Daily Mail monthly hits - 79m
Guardian monthly hits - 65m
You can see that although The Guardian sells much less in terms of hardcopies, it's web presence is significantly more than its hardcopy sales would indicate. "Or guardian readers are cheapskates? | |||
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" Possibly the only time in living memory anything printed in The Telegraph can be said to have had a worthwhile effect!
The best part about reading the Torygraph (apart from the fact that it is one of only two papers that work on my phone) is the warm fuzzy feeling you get from doing their on-line polls, when the result says "9% of our readership agrees with you"
Mr ddc
8 times more people read it than the independent and 3 times more than guardian
Must share a popular message
In fact out of the top 5 million papers sold - 4.1 million are right wing
Sun
Mail
Telegraph
And only one is left
The mirror
Younger people, who tend to be more liberal buy less newspapers - they are more inclinded to view their news online. Newspaper sales figures are therefore not a full picture at all.
I'm younger
I'm not liberal
But I get your point
Daily mail - second largest online newspaper behind NYtimes - thats a right wing paper
I just did a little guesstimation calculation.
Daily Mail monthly hits - 79m
Guardian monthly hits - 65m
You can see that although The Guardian sells much less in terms of hardcopies, it's web presence is significantly more than its hardcopy sales would indicate.
Where's those numbers coming from?"Web traffic estimation tools. | |||
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" Possibly the only time in living memory anything printed in The Telegraph can be said to have had a worthwhile effect!
The best part about reading the Torygraph (apart from the fact that it is one of only two papers that work on my phone) is the warm fuzzy feeling you get from doing their on-line polls, when the result says "9% of our readership agrees with you"
Mr ddc
8 times more people read it than the independent and 3 times more than guardian
Must share a popular message
In fact out of the top 5 million papers sold - 4.1 million are right wing
Sun
Mail
Telegraph
And only one is left
The mirror
Younger people, who tend to be more liberal buy less newspapers - they are more inclinded to view their news online. Newspaper sales figures are therefore not a full picture at all.
I'm younger
I'm not liberal
But I get your point
Daily mail - second largest online newspaper behind NYtimes - thats a right wing paper
I just did a little guesstimation calculation.
Daily Mail monthly hits - 79m
Guardian monthly hits - 65m
You can see that although The Guardian sells much less in terms of hardcopies, it's web presence is significantly more than its hardcopy sales would indicate.
Where's those numbers coming from?
Web traffic estimation tools. "But things like Google web trawls and other things don't make that accurate - doesn't confirm unique users etc | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. I suspect that Jeremy could afford to buy his own bloody bike. Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, people with good hearts think he deserves a present. The surplus will be going to a charity, most likely Calais Action. The average salary for an MP is £67,000. I think the people with good hearts might do better donating their money directly to a charity. But how would that buy Jeremy Corbyn a bike, and underline how out of touch with reality The Telegraph is? You haven't thought this through at all. Out of touch with reality? Really? £67,000 is quite enough to buy a bike (yes, in reality). Yes, The Telegraph is completely out of touch with reality. The only people who don't think so are, obviously, completely out of touch with reality. And why do you think this topic is about 'can Jeremy Corbyn afford to buy a bike'? Well, for once, at least, the Telegraph may be in touch with reality." Can you attempt to explain how? | |||
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" Possibly the only time in living memory anything printed in The Telegraph can be said to have had a worthwhile effect!
The best part about reading the Torygraph (apart from the fact that it is one of only two papers that work on my phone) is the warm fuzzy feeling you get from doing their on-line polls, when the result says "9% of our readership agrees with you"
Mr ddc
8 times more people read it than the independent and 3 times more than guardian
Must share a popular message
In fact out of the top 5 million papers sold - 4.1 million are right wing
Sun
Mail
Telegraph
And only one is left
The mirror
Younger people, who tend to be more liberal buy less newspapers - they are more inclinded to view their news online. Newspaper sales figures are therefore not a full picture at all.
I'm younger
I'm not liberal
But I get your point
Daily mail - second largest online newspaper behind NYtimes - thats a right wing paper
I just did a little guesstimation calculation.
Daily Mail monthly hits - 79m
Guardian monthly hits - 65m
You can see that although The Guardian sells much less in terms of hardcopies, it's web presence is significantly more than its hardcopy sales would indicate.
Where's those numbers coming from?
Web traffic estimation tools.
But things like Google web trawls and other things don't make that accurate - doesn't confirm unique users etc"That's why I said guesstimate - it might not be 100% accurate but it's a good indication of the number of visits. | |||
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" Possibly the only time in living memory anything printed in The Telegraph can be said to have had a worthwhile effect!
The best part about reading the Torygraph (apart from the fact that it is one of only two papers that work on my phone) is the warm fuzzy feeling you get from doing their on-line polls, when the result says "9% of our readership agrees with you"
Mr ddc
8 times more people read it than the independent and 3 times more than guardian
Must share a popular message
In fact out of the top 5 million papers sold - 4.1 million are right wing
Sun
Mail
Telegraph
And only one is left
The mirror
I'd like to see where that statistic came from.
But also the thing with tabloid papers is that people read them because they show them what they are comfortable with reading, what their social group reads and what ideals are held by the tabloid an the readership.
In short people don't like having their morals, principals and brains challenged.
ABC - audit bureau of circulation UK
Very patronising view: you clearly think because you read a broadsheet your superior than tabloid oiks"It's nice to finally see someone on here who is willing to back up their figures with references.
And really I don't think I am better - simply put I've gone through scientific training over the last 7 years. As a result I read anything as if it were a scientific paper. Through this teaching you are always taught to understand both sides of the debate at hand. So pretty much when you read a paper which always focuses on a negative aspect but never gives credit to the opposing argument, in my opinion it is misleading and partially discredits itself.
Additionally nowhere did I state I read solely broadsheets or tabloids. I usually use multimedia resources and try to get clear data on any important issue when I have the time. | |||
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" Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, ." Is he? (Don't have time to check, soz) I thought that was our own Dennis Skinner. I thought Jezza's were ruined by him maxing out his office costs? (Or whatever they're called) | |||
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" Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, . Is he? (Don't have time to check, soz) I thought that was our own Dennis Skinner. I thought Jezza's were ruined by him maxing out his office costs? (Or whatever they're called) " It shows though. If he sat down for a break outside a tube station, people will start chucking change at him | |||
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" Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, . Is he? (Don't have time to check, soz) I thought that was our own Dennis Skinner. I thought Jezza's were ruined by him maxing out his office costs? (Or whatever they're called) " Quick google says he had the lowest, only claiming in order to rent his constituency office and pay the appropriate staff. | |||
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" Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, . Is he? (Don't have time to check, soz) I thought that was our own Dennis Skinner. I thought Jezza's were ruined by him maxing out his office costs? (Or whatever they're called) It shows though. If he sat down for a break outside a tube station, people will start chucking change at him " Not sure if you are saying that in a positive light or negative light towards him. If it's in the negative light I would say this - I'd rather not politicians use public money to keep themselves looking prim. They can use their own earnings for that. | |||
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" Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, . Is he? (Don't have time to check, soz) I thought that was our own Dennis Skinner. I thought Jezza's were ruined by him maxing out his office costs? (Or whatever they're called) It shows though. If he sat down for a break outside a tube station, people will start chucking change at him Not sure if you are saying that in a positive light or negative light towards him. If it's in the negative light I would say this - I'd rather not politicians use public money to keep themselves looking prim. They can use their own earnings for that." I'm just commenting that he appears to have a frugal mindset for expenses and his personal life. Actually Dianne Abbott even said that was the worst thing about dating him. | |||
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" Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, . Is he? (Don't have time to check, soz) I thought that was our own Dennis Skinner. I thought Jezza's were ruined by him maxing out his office costs? (Or whatever they're called) Quick google says he had the lowest, only claiming in order to rent his constituency office and pay the appropriate staff." He has comparatively low expense claims. The last figures I saw were for 2010. About £170,000. Yes. He can afford his own bloody bike. | |||
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" Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, . Is he? (Don't have time to check, soz) I thought that was our own Dennis Skinner. I thought Jezza's were ruined by him maxing out his office costs? (Or whatever they're called) Quick google says he had the lowest, only claiming in order to rent his constituency office and pay the appropriate staff. He has comparatively low expense claims. The last figures I saw were for 2010. About £170,000. Yes. He can afford his own bloody bike." I'd like to see the reference for that. The clearest I have for 2010 is £14,000 all of which went to the rent of his constituency office and pay of the staff. Either way - figures true or not, low in comparison to others speaks for itself. | |||
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" Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, . Is he? (Don't have time to check, soz) I thought that was our own Dennis Skinner. I thought Jezza's were ruined by him maxing out his office costs? (Or whatever they're called) It shows though. If he sat down for a break outside a tube station, people will start chucking change at him Not sure if you are saying that in a positive light or negative light towards him. If it's in the negative light I would say this - I'd rather not politicians use public money to keep themselves looking prim. They can use their own earnings for that. I'm just commenting that he appears to have a frugal mindset for expenses and his personal life. Actually Dianne Abbott even said that was the worst thing about dating him. " As much as it's sad to hear about a disappointing relationship, clearly he is set in his mind about how he wants to live a fulfilling life, and it's better she realised her and his needs were not compatible. And in a day an age where austerity measures are hitting our public services and social welfare, it's refreshing to see a politician who lives frugally and within his means. The conservatives preached a lot about austerity but many members kept up a lifestyle out of reach for the majority of British people. | |||
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" Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, . Is he? (Don't have time to check, soz) I thought that was our own Dennis Skinner. I thought Jezza's were ruined by him maxing out his office costs? (Or whatever they're called) Quick google says he had the lowest, only claiming in order to rent his constituency office and pay the appropriate staff. He has comparatively low expense claims. The last figures I saw were for 2010. About £170,000. Yes. He can afford his own bloody bike. I'd like to see the reference for that. The clearest I have for 2010 is £14,000 all of which went to the rent of his constituency office and pay of the staff. Either way - figures true or not, low in comparison to others speaks for itself. " Nope, well over £100k. Google MP expenses. | |||
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" Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, . Is he? (Don't have time to check, soz) I thought that was our own Dennis Skinner. I thought Jezza's were ruined by him maxing out his office costs? (Or whatever they're called) Quick google says he had the lowest, only claiming in order to rent his constituency office and pay the appropriate staff. He has comparatively low expense claims. The last figures I saw were for 2010. About £170,000. Yes. He can afford his own bloody bike. I'd like to see the reference for that. The clearest I have for 2010 is £14,000 all of which went to the rent of his constituency office and pay of the staff. Either way - figures true or not, low in comparison to others speaks for itself. Nope, well over £100k. Google MP expenses." Specific website references - all it's bringing up is media sites. These are prone to hyperbole and cherry picking. | |||
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" Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, . Is he? (Don't have time to check, soz) I thought that was our own Dennis Skinner. I thought Jezza's were ruined by him maxing out his office costs? (Or whatever they're called) It shows though. If he sat down for a break outside a tube station, people will start chucking change at him Not sure if you are saying that in a positive light or negative light towards him. If it's in the negative light I would say this - I'd rather not politicians use public money to keep themselves looking prim. They can use their own earnings for that. I'm just commenting that he appears to have a frugal mindset for expenses and his personal life. Actually Dianne Abbott even said that was the worst thing about dating him. As much as it's sad to hear about a disappointing relationship, clearly he is set in his mind about how he wants to live a fulfilling life, and it's better she realised her and his needs were not compatible. And in a day an age where austerity measures are hitting our public services and social welfare, it's refreshing to see a politician who lives frugally and within his means. The conservatives preached a lot about austerity but many members kept up a lifestyle out of reach for the majority of British people. " Personally I'd find it more refreshing to see an MP who had a success period of real work experience. That would inspire me they actually understand how an economy works, rather than people that need to rely on text books to tell them what capitalism really is. As much as I hate to say it, only Farage can make that claim. | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. I suspect that Jeremy could afford to buy his own bloody bike. Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, people with good hearts think he deserves a present. The surplus will be going to a charity, most likely Calais Action. The average salary for an MP is £67,000. I think the people with good hearts might do better donating their money directly to a charity. But how would that buy Jeremy Corbyn a bike, and underline how out of touch with reality The Telegraph is? You haven't thought this through at all. Out of touch with reality? Really? £67,000 is quite enough to buy a bike (yes, in reality). Yes, The Telegraph is completely out of touch with reality. The only people who don't think so are, obviously, completely out of touch with reality. And why do you think this topic is about 'can Jeremy Corbyn afford to buy a bike'?" I would think that anyone who thinks £475 for a bike is a modest sum is rather out of touch with reality. | |||
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" Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, . Is he? (Don't have time to check, soz) I thought that was our own Dennis Skinner. I thought Jezza's were ruined by him maxing out his office costs? (Or whatever they're called) It shows though. If he sat down for a break outside a tube station, people will start chucking change at him Not sure if you are saying that in a positive light or negative light towards him. If it's in the negative light I would say this - I'd rather not politicians use public money to keep themselves looking prim. They can use their own earnings for that. I'm just commenting that he appears to have a frugal mindset for expenses and his personal life. Actually Dianne Abbott even said that was the worst thing about dating him. Apparentky she was disappointed when he said they were "Going Dutch"... She thought she was getting a trip to Amsterdam!" She's a fan of fine dining and was rather repulsed that he was satisfied with beans out the tin. You'd never have guessed... | |||
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" Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, . Is he? (Don't have time to check, soz) I thought that was our own Dennis Skinner. I thought Jezza's were ruined by him maxing out his office costs? (Or whatever they're called) It shows though. If he sat down for a break outside a tube station, people will start chucking change at him Not sure if you are saying that in a positive light or negative light towards him. If it's in the negative light I would say this - I'd rather not politicians use public money to keep themselves looking prim. They can use their own earnings for that. I'm just commenting that he appears to have a frugal mindset for expenses and his personal life. Actually Dianne Abbott even said that was the worst thing about dating him. As much as it's sad to hear about a disappointing relationship, clearly he is set in his mind about how he wants to live a fulfilling life, and it's better she realised her and his needs were not compatible. And in a day an age where austerity measures are hitting our public services and social welfare, it's refreshing to see a politician who lives frugally and within his means. The conservatives preached a lot about austerity but many members kept up a lifestyle out of reach for the majority of British people. Personally I'd find it more refreshing to see an MP who had a success period of real work experience. That would inspire me they actually understand how an economy works, rather than people that need to rely on text books to tell them what capitalism really is. As much as I hate to say it, only Farage can make that claim. " I see your point and part of me regrettably agrees. Arguably he has more 'real life' experience than a lot of current Mp's. At the same point Corbyn has always been a committed activist on a range of issues. And as much as yes, the economy is important, issues such as social welfare ultimately have an equal importance. I think that is something that is refreshing about Corbyn, the fact that he really has the mentality of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. | |||
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" Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, . Is he? (Don't have time to check, soz) I thought that was our own Dennis Skinner. I thought Jezza's were ruined by him maxing out his office costs? (Or whatever they're called) It shows though. If he sat down for a break outside a tube station, people will start chucking change at him Not sure if you are saying that in a positive light or negative light towards him. If it's in the negative light I would say this - I'd rather not politicians use public money to keep themselves looking prim. They can use their own earnings for that. I'm just commenting that he appears to have a frugal mindset for expenses and his personal life. Actually Dianne Abbott even said that was the worst thing about dating him. Apparentky she was disappointed when he said they were "Going Dutch"... She thought she was getting a trip to Amsterdam! She's a fan of fine dining and was rather repulsed that he was satisfied with beans out the tin. You'd never have guessed... " Not going to lie, yes she might have wanted more. But at the same point having been a uni student with a very limited maintenance loan and parents who could not afford to help me out. Beans out of the tin is what you get sometimes. | |||
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" Personally I'd find it more refreshing to see an MP who had a success period of real work experience. That would inspire me they actually understand how an economy works, rather than people that need to rely on text books to tell them what capitalism really is. As much as I hate to say it, only Farage can make that claim. I see your point and part of me regrettably agrees. Arguably he has more 'real life' experience than a lot of current Mp's. At the same point Corbyn has always been a committed activist on a range of issues. And as much as yes, the economy is important, issues such as social welfare ultimately have an equal importance. I think that is something that is refreshing about Corbyn, the fact that he really has the mentality of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. " Except that the economy pays for social welfare so they can't be equal because one doesn't exist without the other. Hence why every communist country has ended up bankrupt and usually with famine. | |||
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" Personally I'd find it more refreshing to see an MP who had a success period of real work experience. That would inspire me they actually understand how an economy works, rather than people that need to rely on text books to tell them what capitalism really is. As much as I hate to say it, only Farage can make that claim. I see your point and part of me regrettably agrees. Arguably he has more 'real life' experience than a lot of current Mp's. At the same point Corbyn has always been a committed activist on a range of issues. And as much as yes, the economy is important, issues such as social welfare ultimately have an equal importance. I think that is something that is refreshing about Corbyn, the fact that he really has the mentality of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Except that the economy pays for social welfare so they can't be equal because one doesn't exist without the other. Hence why every communist country has ended up bankrupt and usually with famine. " As fine an example of hand waving as you will ever read! A spurious assertion followed up with another spurious assertion.  | |||
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" Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, . Is he? (Don't have time to check, soz) I thought that was our own Dennis Skinner. I thought Jezza's were ruined by him maxing out his office costs? (Or whatever they're called) It shows though. If he sat down for a break outside a tube station, people will start chucking change at him Not sure if you are saying that in a positive light or negative light towards him. If it's in the negative light I would say this - I'd rather not politicians use public money to keep themselves looking prim. They can use their own earnings for that. I'm just commenting that he appears to have a frugal mindset for expenses and his personal life. Actually Dianne Abbott even said that was the worst thing about dating him. Apparentky she was disappointed when he said they were "Going Dutch"... She thought she was getting a trip to Amsterdam! She's a fan of fine dining and was rather repulsed that he was satisfied with beans out the tin. You'd never have guessed... Not going to lie, yes she might have wanted more. But at the same point having been a uni student with a very limited maintenance loan and parents who could not afford to help me out. Beans out of the tin is what you get sometimes. He's in better shape than Cameron, I'll give him that! I just wish he'd have a shave and wear a jacket that wouldn't get your thrown out a job interview. " The day we see a photo where he is not the most scruffy person there is when the dream will die.  | |||
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"Low? He maxes out 'staff costs' every year (You know, the one where the taxpayer pays their friends and family....) You find that odd? Considering he is one of the most active (if not THE most active) MP in the country, of course his staff costs will be high. So they should be, that's what the money is for. Perhaps you'd be happier if the money had gone on a duck house? "Not at all, I just don't understand the logic that, having fought to have all expenses open and above board, some people say "He has the lowest expenses once you exclude the £147k he claims for...." I bet Cameron has lower expenses, once you exclude duck houses, cavier and wellies | |||
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" Personally I'd find it more refreshing to see an MP who had a success period of real work experience. That would inspire me they actually understand how an economy works, rather than people that need to rely on text books to tell them what capitalism really is. As much as I hate to say it, only Farage can make that claim. I see your point and part of me regrettably agrees. Arguably he has more 'real life' experience than a lot of current Mp's. At the same point Corbyn has always been a committed activist on a range of issues. And as much as yes, the economy is important, issues such as social welfare ultimately have an equal importance. I think that is something that is refreshing about Corbyn, the fact that he really has the mentality of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Except that the economy pays for social welfare so they can't be equal because one doesn't exist without the other. Hence why every communist country has ended up bankrupt and usually with famine. As fine an example of hand waving as you will ever read! A spurious assertion followed up with another spurious assertion. "By all means point me to the job corbyn held that wasn't in a trade union or politics. Alternatively tell me which communist country didn't go bankrupt... | |||
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"Low? He maxes out 'staff costs' every year (You know, the one where the taxpayer pays their friends and family....) You find that odd? Considering he is one of the most active (if not THE most active) MP in the country, of course his staff costs will be high. So they should be, that's what the money is for. Perhaps you'd be happier if the money had gone on a duck house?
Not at all, I just don't understand the logic that, having fought to have all expenses open and above board, some people say "He has the lowest expenses once you exclude the £147k he claims for...."
I bet Cameron has lower expenses, once you exclude duck houses, cavier and wellies "The transparency is obvious. His expenses are entirely justified. The logic is sound. | |||
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" Personally I'd find it more refreshing to see an MP who had a success period of real work experience. That would inspire me they actually understand how an economy works, rather than people that need to rely on text books to tell them what capitalism really is. As much as I hate to say it, only Farage can make that claim. I see your point and part of me regrettably agrees. Arguably he has more 'real life' experience than a lot of current Mp's. At the same point Corbyn has always been a committed activist on a range of issues. And as much as yes, the economy is important, issues such as social welfare ultimately have an equal importance. I think that is something that is refreshing about Corbyn, the fact that he really has the mentality of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Except that the economy pays for social welfare so they can't be equal because one doesn't exist without the other. Hence why every communist country has ended up bankrupt and usually with famine. " At the same point if citizens aren't happy - eg mental health, quality of the NHS, transport costs then a strong economy hasn't benefited the public. I'm not arguing the case for communism, more pointing out that austerity and cuts don't stimulate an economy which supports the entire nation, with it's individuals and services. | |||
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" Personally I'd find it more refreshing to see an MP who had a success period of real work experience. That would inspire me they actually understand how an economy works, rather than people that need to rely on text books to tell them what capitalism really is. As much as I hate to say it, only Farage can make that claim. I see your point and part of me regrettably agrees. Arguably he has more 'real life' experience than a lot of current Mp's. At the same point Corbyn has always been a committed activist on a range of issues. And as much as yes, the economy is important, issues such as social welfare ultimately have an equal importance. I think that is something that is refreshing about Corbyn, the fact that he really has the mentality of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Except that the economy pays for social welfare so they can't be equal because one doesn't exist without the other. Hence why every communist country has ended up bankrupt and usually with famine. At the same point if citizens aren't happy - eg mental health, quality of the NHS, transport costs then a strong economy hasn't benefited the public. I'm not arguing the case for communism, more pointing out that austerity and cuts don't stimulate an economy which supports the entire nation, with it's individuals and services." You need to start another thread if you want to go into the detail of that. Just don't drink all that Keynes at once. | |||
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" Personally I'd find it more refreshing to see an MP who had a success period of real work experience. That would inspire me they actually understand how an economy works, rather than people that need to rely on text books to tell them what capitalism really is. As much as I hate to say it, only Farage can make that claim. I see your point and part of me regrettably agrees. Arguably he has more 'real life' experience than a lot of current Mp's. At the same point Corbyn has always been a committed activist on a range of issues. And as much as yes, the economy is important, issues such as social welfare ultimately have an equal importance. I think that is something that is refreshing about Corbyn, the fact that he really has the mentality of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Except that the economy pays for social welfare so they can't be equal because one doesn't exist without the other. Hence why every communist country has ended up bankrupt and usually with famine. As fine an example of hand waving as you will ever read! A spurious assertion followed up with another spurious assertion.
By all means point me to the job corbyn held that wasn't in a trade union or politics. Alternatively tell me which communist country didn't go bankrupt... "Working for a union is a fine job, and one that will fit you perfectly for understanding the economics of workers. Now, you explain to me how Osborne's job folding towels in Harrods has fitted him to be the worst chancellor in British history. Oh...I see! | |||
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" Personally I'd find it more refreshing to see an MP who had a success period of real work experience. That would inspire me they actually understand how an economy works, rather than people that need to rely on text books to tell them what capitalism really is. As much as I hate to say it, only Farage can make that claim. I see your point and part of me regrettably agrees. Arguably he has more 'real life' experience than a lot of current Mp's. At the same point Corbyn has always been a committed activist on a range of issues. And as much as yes, the economy is important, issues such as social welfare ultimately have an equal importance. I think that is something that is refreshing about Corbyn, the fact that he really has the mentality of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Except that the economy pays for social welfare so they can't be equal because one doesn't exist without the other. Hence why every communist country has ended up bankrupt and usually with famine. At the same point if citizens aren't happy - eg mental health, quality of the NHS, transport costs then a strong economy hasn't benefited the public. I'm not arguing the case for communism, more pointing out that austerity and cuts don't stimulate an economy which supports the entire nation, with it's individuals and services. You need to start another thread if you want to go into the detail of that. Just don't drink all that Keynes at once. " Haha, yes this has gone considerably off topic. | |||
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" Personally I'd find it more refreshing to see an MP who had a success period of real work experience. That would inspire me they actually understand how an economy works, rather than people that need to rely on text books to tell them what capitalism really is. As much as I hate to say it, only Farage can make that claim. I see your point and part of me regrettably agrees. Arguably he has more 'real life' experience than a lot of current Mp's. At the same point Corbyn has always been a committed activist on a range of issues. And as much as yes, the economy is important, issues such as social welfare ultimately have an equal importance. I think that is something that is refreshing about Corbyn, the fact that he really has the mentality of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Except that the economy pays for social welfare so they can't be equal because one doesn't exist without the other. Hence why every communist country has ended up bankrupt and usually with famine. As fine an example of hand waving as you will ever read! A spurious assertion followed up with another spurious assertion.
By all means point me to the job corbyn held that wasn't in a trade union or politics. Alternatively tell me which communist country didn't go bankrupt...
Working for a union is a fine job, and one that will fit you perfectly for understanding the economics of workers.
Now, you explain to me how Osborne's job folding towels in Harrods has fitted him to be the worst chancellor in British history.
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"Low? He maxes out 'staff costs' every year (You know, the one where the taxpayer pays their friends and family....) You find that odd? Considering he is one of the most active (if not THE most active) MP in the country, of course his staff costs will be high. So they should be, that's what the money is for. Perhaps you'd be happier if the money had gone on a duck house?
Not at all, I just don't understand the logic that, having fought to have all expenses open and above board, some people say "He has the lowest expenses once you exclude the £147k he claims for...."
I bet Cameron has lower expenses, once you exclude duck houses, cavier and wellies
The transparency is obvious. His expenses are entirely justified. The logic is sound."I'm not questioning his expenses, just the claim that his are the lowest in parliament, when they're actually one of the highest. Cameron's are £50k lower for example. But now all we've done is managed to recall why the Telegraph isn't all bad afterall... | |||
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"And the latest figures from the Grauniad show that the average Conservative MP claims less than the average Labour MP. So we might have to put that whole 'sponging toff' argument aside and think of something different... "Shit - facts getting in the way of rhetoric. People had almost forgotten that Ed Miliband wanted employers to pay a living wage but neglected to pay his own staff the same! | |||
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"And the latest figures from the Grauniad show that the average Conservative MP claims less than the average Labour MP. So we might have to put that whole 'sponging toff' argument aside and think of something different...
Shit - facts getting in the way of rhetoric. People had almost forgotten that Ed Miliband wanted employers to pay a living wage but neglected to pay his own staff the same!"Classic Ed Millipede | |||
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"But now all we've done is managed to recall why the Telegraph isn't all bad afterall... "The only people who think The Telegraph isn't one of the worst 'newspapers' published in the modern world are people who read the Telegraph. Which immediately calls their judgement into serious question. | |||
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The only people who think The Telegraph isn't one of the worst 'newspapers' published in the modern world are people who read the Telegraph.
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"And the latest figures from the Grauniad show that the average Conservative MP claims less than the average Labour MP. So we might have to put that whole 'sponging toff' argument aside and think of something different...
Is that because they tend to live closer to London? "Good point. I imagine Mhairi Black's would be expensive if she had to travel from Scotland to the South frequently.... | |||
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"But now all we've done is managed to recall why the Telegraph isn't all bad afterall...
The only people who think The Telegraph isn't one of the worst 'newspapers' published in the modern world are people who read the Telegraph.
Which immediately calls their judgement into serious question.
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Is that because they tend to live closer to London?
Good point. I imagine Mhairi Black's would be expensive if she had to travel from Scotland to the South frequently...."Northern Ireland MPs clock up a lot of expenses I'm sure. | |||
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"And the latest figures from the Grauniad show that the average Conservative MP claims less than the average Labour MP. So we might have to put that whole 'sponging toff' argument aside and think of something different...
Is that because they tend to live closer to London?
Quite a few Labour MPs in London...
Besides, office and staffing costs are cheaper up north"Whilst true we have to look at the expense of travelling around the country for certain Mp's, and if the must visit London an stay for debates and discussions imagine the cost. Not saying it's justified, just looking for possible causation. Also staffing costs eg staff wages should be the same price unless the office is in London. As far as I'm aware, the City is the only place in the UK where pay is changes for cost of living. | |||
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" Quite a few Labour MPs in London... Besides, office and staffing costs are cheaper up north Whilst true we have to look at the expense of travelling around the country for certain Mp's, and if the must visit London an stay for debates and discussions imagine the cost. Not saying it's justified, just looking for possible causation. Also staffing costs eg staff wages should be the same price unless the office is in London. As far as I'm aware, the City is the only place in the UK where pay is changes for cost of living."
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. It was said the rest goes to charity, hope it some local ones that need the money." The money is most likely going to Calais Action, so local to Britan. And they need the money. | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. It was said the rest goes to charity, hope it some local ones that need the money. The money is most likely going to Calais Action, so local to Britan. And they need the money." Off topic a little, but would you guys swing with JC and Dianne given the opportunity? | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. I suspect that Jeremy could afford to buy his own bloody bike. Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, people with good hearts think he deserves a present. The surplus will be going to a charity, most likely Calais Action. The average salary for an MP is £67,000. I think the people with good hearts might do better donating their money directly to a charity. But how would that buy Jeremy Corbyn a bike, and underline how out of touch with reality The Telegraph is? You haven't thought this through at all. Out of touch with reality? Really? £67,000 is quite enough to buy a bike (yes, in reality). Yes, The Telegraph is completely out of touch with reality. The only people who don't think so are, obviously, completely out of touch with reality. And why do you think this topic is about 'can Jeremy Corbyn afford to buy a bike'?" The issue isn't whether Corbyn can or can;t afford to buy a bike, it;s obvious he could afford just about any bike in the market. The issue is that he stated his dream bike was an incredibly cheap and modest one and the Telegraph somehow used that as an angle to attack him.
The crowdfunding site is deliubertaely aimed to piss off the right wing press.
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" I would think that anyone who thinks £475 for a bike is a modest sum is rather out of touch with reality. " Corbyn described it as his dream bike. I'm pretty sure that it is everyone else describing it as modest not JC. And when bikes cost 10 and 20 times that it is very modest | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. I suspect that Jeremy could afford to buy his own bloody bike. Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, people with good hearts think he deserves a present. The surplus will be going to a charity, most likely Calais Action. The average salary for an MP is £67,000. I think the people with good hearts might do better donating their money directly to a charity. But how would that buy Jeremy Corbyn a bike, and underline how out of touch with reality The Telegraph is? You haven't thought this through at all. Out of touch with reality? Really? £67,000 is quite enough to buy a bike (yes, in reality). Yes, The Telegraph is completely out of touch with reality. The only people who don't think so are, obviously, completely out of touch with reality. And why do you think this topic is about 'can Jeremy Corbyn afford to buy a bike'? The issue isn't whether Corbyn can or can;t afford to buy a bike, it;s obvious he could afford just about any bike in the market. The issue is that he stated his dream bike was an incredibly cheap and modest one and the Telegraph somehow used that as an angle to attack him.
The crowdfunding site is deliubertaely aimed to piss off the right wing press.
It;s funny that some people are so desperate to attack Corbyn in any way, they don't even read the news and start ranting that he should buy his own bike!"Amen Monkey man! | |||
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" Possibly the only time in living memory anything printed in The Telegraph can be said to have had a worthwhile effect!
The best part about reading the Torygraph (apart from the fact that it is one of only two papers that work on my phone) is the warm fuzzy feeling you get from doing their on-line polls, when the result says "9% of our readership agrees with you"
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8 times more people read it than the independent and 3 times more than guardian
Must share a popular message
In fact out of the top 5 million papers sold - 4.1 million are right wing
Sun
Mail
Telegraph
And only one is left
The mirror "I'm impressed that they manage to sell 5 million between them. Who the fuck reads a paper these days? Well except for the metro | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. I suspect that Jeremy could afford to buy his own bloody bike. Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, people with good hearts think he deserves a present. The surplus will be going to a charity, most likely Calais Action. The average salary for an MP is £67,000. I think the people with good hearts might do better donating their money directly to a charity. But how would that buy Jeremy Corbyn a bike, and underline how out of touch with reality The Telegraph is? You haven't thought this through at all. Out of touch with reality? Really? £67,000 is quite enough to buy a bike (yes, in reality). Yes, The Telegraph is completely out of touch with reality. The only people who don't think so are, obviously, completely out of touch with reality. And why do you think this topic is about 'can Jeremy Corbyn afford to buy a bike'? The issue isn't whether Corbyn can or can;t afford to buy a bike, it;s obvious he could afford just about any bike in the market. The issue is that he stated his dream bike was an incredibly cheap and modest one and the Telegraph somehow used that as an angle to attack him.
The crowdfunding site is deliubertaely aimed to piss off the right wing press.
It;s funny that some people are so desperate to attack Corbyn in any way, they don't even read the news and start ranting that he should buy his own bike!"I think for most people this isn't "news" and so the only time they've heard this is when petty people bring it up on forums. | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. I suspect that Jeremy could afford to buy his own bloody bike. Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, people with good hearts think he deserves a present. The surplus will be going to a charity, most likely Calais Action. The average salary for an MP is £67,000. I think the people with good hearts might do better donating their money directly to a charity. But how would that buy Jeremy Corbyn a bike, and underline how out of touch with reality The Telegraph is? You haven't thought this through at all. Out of touch with reality? Really? £67,000 is quite enough to buy a bike (yes, in reality). Yes, The Telegraph is completely out of touch with reality. The only people who don't think so are, obviously, completely out of touch with reality. And why do you think this topic is about 'can Jeremy Corbyn afford to buy a bike'? The issue isn't whether Corbyn can or can;t afford to buy a bike, it;s obvious he could afford just about any bike in the market. The issue is that he stated his dream bike was an incredibly cheap and modest one and the Telegraph somehow used that as an angle to attack him.
The crowdfunding site is deliubertaely aimed to piss off the right wing press.
"So it's main aim is not to buy a bike and spend any surplus on charity then? As you just said it's deliberately aimed is to piss of the right wing press, doesn't that strike you as being a little bit petty?  | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. I suspect that Jeremy could afford to buy his own bloody bike. Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, people with good hearts think he deserves a present. The surplus will be going to a charity, most likely Calais Action. The average salary for an MP is £67,000. I think the people with good hearts might do better donating their money directly to a charity. But how would that buy Jeremy Corbyn a bike, and underline how out of touch with reality The Telegraph is? You haven't thought this through at all. Out of touch with reality? Really? £67,000 is quite enough to buy a bike (yes, in reality). Yes, The Telegraph is completely out of touch with reality. The only people who don't think so are, obviously, completely out of touch with reality. And why do you think this topic is about 'can Jeremy Corbyn afford to buy a bike'? The issue isn't whether Corbyn can or can;t afford to buy a bike, it;s obvious he could afford just about any bike in the market. The issue is that he stated his dream bike was an incredibly cheap and modest one and the Telegraph somehow used that as an angle to attack him.
The crowdfunding site is deliubertaely aimed to piss off the right wing press.
It;s funny that some people are so desperate to attack Corbyn in any way, they don't even read the news and start ranting that he should buy his own bike!"Corbyn is routinely and unnecessarily attacked by the media. But I have no idea why anyone would want to buy him a bike. Is that a funny reaction? | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. I suspect that Jeremy could afford to buy his own bloody bike. Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, people with good hearts think he deserves a present. The surplus will be going to a charity, most likely Calais Action. The average salary for an MP is £67,000. I think the people with good hearts might do better donating their money directly to a charity. But how would that buy Jeremy Corbyn a bike, and underline how out of touch with reality The Telegraph is? You haven't thought this through at all. Out of touch with reality? Really? £67,000 is quite enough to buy a bike (yes, in reality). Yes, The Telegraph is completely out of touch with reality. The only people who don't think so are, obviously, completely out of touch with reality. And why do you think this topic is about 'can Jeremy Corbyn afford to buy a bike'? The issue isn't whether Corbyn can or can;t afford to buy a bike, it;s obvious he could afford just about any bike in the market. The issue is that he stated his dream bike was an incredibly cheap and modest one and the Telegraph somehow used that as an angle to attack him.
The crowdfunding site is deliubertaely aimed to piss off the right wing press.
It;s funny that some people are so desperate to attack Corbyn in any way, they don't even read the news and start ranting that he should buy his own bike!
I think for most people this isn't "news" and so the only time they've heard this is when petty people bring it up on forums."I think you left the 'r' out of pretty! | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. I suspect that Jeremy could afford to buy his own bloody bike. Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, people with good hearts think he deserves a present. The surplus will be going to a charity, most likely Calais Action. The average salary for an MP is £67,000. I think the people with good hearts might do better donating their money directly to a charity. But how would that buy Jeremy Corbyn a bike, and underline how out of touch with reality The Telegraph is? You haven't thought this through at all. Out of touch with reality? Really? £67,000 is quite enough to buy a bike (yes, in reality). Yes, The Telegraph is completely out of touch with reality. The only people who don't think so are, obviously, completely out of touch with reality. And why do you think this topic is about 'can Jeremy Corbyn afford to buy a bike'? The issue isn't whether Corbyn can or can;t afford to buy a bike, it;s obvious he could afford just about any bike in the market. The issue is that he stated his dream bike was an incredibly cheap and modest one and the Telegraph somehow used that as an angle to attack him.
The crowdfunding site is deliubertaely aimed to piss off the right wing press.
It;s funny that some people are so desperate to attack Corbyn in any way, they don't even read the news and start ranting that he should buy his own bike!
Corbyn is routinely and unnecessarily attacked by the media. But I have no idea why anyone would want to buy him a bike. Is that a funny reaction?"You have no idea? Try reading the fundraising link, you will be enlightened. | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. I suspect that Jeremy could afford to buy his own bloody bike. Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, people with good hearts think he deserves a present. The surplus will be going to a charity, most likely Calais Action. The average salary for an MP is £67,000. I think the people with good hearts might do better donating their money directly to a charity. But how would that buy Jeremy Corbyn a bike, and underline how out of touch with reality The Telegraph is? You haven't thought this through at all. Out of touch with reality? Really? £67,000 is quite enough to buy a bike (yes, in reality). Yes, The Telegraph is completely out of touch with reality. The only people who don't think so are, obviously, completely out of touch with reality. And why do you think this topic is about 'can Jeremy Corbyn afford to buy a bike'? The issue isn't whether Corbyn can or can;t afford to buy a bike, it;s obvious he could afford just about any bike in the market. The issue is that he stated his dream bike was an incredibly cheap and modest one and the Telegraph somehow used that as an angle to attack him.
The crowdfunding site is deliubertaely aimed to piss off the right wing press.
So it's main aim is not to buy a bike and spend any surplus on charity then? As you just said it's deliberately aimed is to piss of the right wing press, doesn't that strike you as being a little bit petty? "Oh undoutedly petty. And utterly fabulous for it. Th whole non story is pathetic as is the media's obsession with the fact that Corbyn rides a bike (see also the crao about his Christmas card). Cameron used to ride a bike. Boris is a regular cyclist and champion the bike as a mode of transport. But Corbyn riding a bike is somehow a terrible thing | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. I suspect that Jeremy could afford to buy his own bloody bike. Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, people with good hearts think he deserves a present. The surplus will be going to a charity, most likely Calais Action. The average salary for an MP is £67,000. I think the people with good hearts might do better donating their money directly to a charity. But how would that buy Jeremy Corbyn a bike, and underline how out of touch with reality The Telegraph is? You haven't thought this through at all. Out of touch with reality? Really? £67,000 is quite enough to buy a bike (yes, in reality). Yes, The Telegraph is completely out of touch with reality. The only people who don't think so are, obviously, completely out of touch with reality. And why do you think this topic is about 'can Jeremy Corbyn afford to buy a bike'? The issue isn't whether Corbyn can or can;t afford to buy a bike, it;s obvious he could afford just about any bike in the market. The issue is that he stated his dream bike was an incredibly cheap and modest one and the Telegraph somehow used that as an angle to attack him.
The crowdfunding site is deliubertaely aimed to piss off the right wing press.
It;s funny that some people are so desperate to attack Corbyn in any way, they don't even read the news and start ranting that he should buy his own bike!
I think for most people this isn't "news" and so the only time they've heard this is when petty people bring it up on forums."I'd agree it's not news. I became aware of it on left wing FB groups and cycling news sites all of whom were laughing at the Telegraph's desperate attempt to smear Corbyn by claiming the bike was indulgent. This is the same paper that ran an article last year which was basically one of it;s writers bragging he was spending £25k a year on cycling (they were ripped apart for that too). | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. I suspect that Jeremy could afford to buy his own bloody bike. Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, people with good hearts think he deserves a present. The surplus will be going to a charity, most likely Calais Action. The average salary for an MP is £67,000. I think the people with good hearts might do better donating their money directly to a charity. But how would that buy Jeremy Corbyn a bike, and underline how out of touch with reality The Telegraph is? You haven't thought this through at all. Out of touch with reality? Really? £67,000 is quite enough to buy a bike (yes, in reality). Yes, The Telegraph is completely out of touch with reality. The only people who don't think so are, obviously, completely out of touch with reality. And why do you think this topic is about 'can Jeremy Corbyn afford to buy a bike'? The issue isn't whether Corbyn can or can;t afford to buy a bike, it;s obvious he could afford just about any bike in the market. The issue is that he stated his dream bike was an incredibly cheap and modest one and the Telegraph somehow used that as an angle to attack him.
The crowdfunding site is deliubertaely aimed to piss off the right wing press.
It;s funny that some people are so desperate to attack Corbyn in any way, they don't even read the news and start ranting that he should buy his own bike!
Corbyn is routinely and unnecessarily attacked by the media. But I have no idea why anyone would want to buy him a bike. Is that a funny reaction?
You have no idea?
Try reading the fundraising link, you will be enlightened."Not really. If he wants a bike, he can bloody well buy one. If people want to make a political point, there are better ways to make it. If people want to donate money, there are better causes to donate to. | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. I suspect that Jeremy could afford to buy his own bloody bike. Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, people with good hearts think he deserves a present. The surplus will be going to a charity, most likely Calais Action. The average salary for an MP is £67,000. I think the people with good hearts might do better donating their money directly to a charity. But how would that buy Jeremy Corbyn a bike, and underline how out of touch with reality The Telegraph is? You haven't thought this through at all. Out of touch with reality? Really? £67,000 is quite enough to buy a bike (yes, in reality). Yes, The Telegraph is completely out of touch with reality. The only people who don't think so are, obviously, completely out of touch with reality. And why do you think this topic is about 'can Jeremy Corbyn afford to buy a bike'? The issue isn't whether Corbyn can or can;t afford to buy a bike, it;s obvious he could afford just about any bike in the market. The issue is that he stated his dream bike was an incredibly cheap and modest one and the Telegraph somehow used that as an angle to attack him.
The crowdfunding site is deliubertaely aimed to piss off the right wing press.
It;s funny that some people are so desperate to attack Corbyn in any way, they don't even read the news and start ranting that he should buy his own bike!
Corbyn is routinely and unnecessarily attacked by the media. But I have no idea why anyone would want to buy him a bike. Is that a funny reaction?
You have no idea?
Try reading the fundraising link, you will be enlightened.
Not really. If he wants a bike, he can bloody well buy one. If people want to make a political point, there are better ways to make it. If people want to donate money, there are better causes to donate to."But he doesn;t want a bike. He was asked what his dream bike was and attacked for the answer he gave... | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. I suspect that Jeremy could afford to buy his own bloody bike. Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, people with good hearts think he deserves a present. The surplus will be going to a charity, most likely Calais Action. The average salary for an MP is £67,000. I think the people with good hearts might do better donating their money directly to a charity. But how would that buy Jeremy Corbyn a bike, and underline how out of touch with reality The Telegraph is? You haven't thought this through at all. Out of touch with reality? Really? £67,000 is quite enough to buy a bike (yes, in reality). Yes, The Telegraph is completely out of touch with reality. The only people who don't think so are, obviously, completely out of touch with reality. And why do you think this topic is about 'can Jeremy Corbyn afford to buy a bike'? The issue isn't whether Corbyn can or can;t afford to buy a bike, it;s obvious he could afford just about any bike in the market. The issue is that he stated his dream bike was an incredibly cheap and modest one and the Telegraph somehow used that as an angle to attack him.
The crowdfunding site is deliubertaely aimed to piss off the right wing press.
It;s funny that some people are so desperate to attack Corbyn in any way, they don't even read the news and start ranting that he should buy his own bike!
Corbyn is routinely and unnecessarily attacked by the media. But I have no idea why anyone would want to buy him a bike. Is that a funny reaction?
You have no idea?
Try reading the fundraising link, you will be enlightened.
Not really. If he wants a bike, he can bloody well buy one. If people want to make a political point, there are better ways to make it. If people want to donate money, there are better causes to donate to.
But he doesn;t want a bike. He was asked what his dream bike was and attacked for the answer he gave..."Perhaps he's being attacked by cycling snobs. You yourself know how it is in the cycling world. Raleigh is a dirty word to some. | |||
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"Boris bikes are No longer Tory blue I'm reading far too much into this but I don't care Haha either Boris is a secret labour supporter or he is slowly phasing in the sickle and hammer... Imagine that, Boris deliberately dicking over the Tories. " Could happen (trump and the Republicans) | |||
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"Boris bikes are No longer Tory blue I'm reading far too much into this but I don't care Haha either Boris is a secret labour supporter or he is slowly phasing in the sickle and hammer... Imagine that, Boris deliberately dicking over the Tories. Could happen (trump and the Republicans) " Haha the Trump being a secret Democrat thing? I don't believe that - it'd be funny if it were true but I just can't see it. Hopefully he'll de-legitimise the Republicans. | |||
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"Boris would dick anything that moves. Let's pray that he doesn't find this site "I bet he secretly swings :P Or has a secret profile on here. | |||
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"Boris bikes are No longer Tory blue I'm reading far too much into this but I don't care Haha either Boris is a secret labour supporter or he is slowly phasing in the sickle and hammer... Imagine that, Boris deliberately dicking over the Tories. Could happen (trump and the Republicans) Haha the Trump being a secret Democrat thing? I don't believe that - it'd be funny if it were true but I just can't see it. Hopefully he'll de-legitimise the Republicans." It's a two party system! Do you think a dictatorship is better than having republicans? | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. I suspect that Jeremy could afford to buy his own bloody bike. Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, people with good hearts think he deserves a present. The surplus will be going to a charity, most likely Calais Action. The average salary for an MP is £67,000. I think the people with good hearts might do better donating their money directly to a charity. But how would that buy Jeremy Corbyn a bike, and underline how out of touch with reality The Telegraph is? You haven't thought this through at all. Out of touch with reality? Really? £67,000 is quite enough to buy a bike (yes, in reality). Yes, The Telegraph is completely out of touch with reality. The only people who don't think so are, obviously, completely out of touch with reality. And why do you think this topic is about 'can Jeremy Corbyn afford to buy a bike'? I would think that anyone who thinks £475 for a bike is a modest sum is rather out of touch with reality. " Sadly that's how much an average bike is now | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. I suspect that Jeremy could afford to buy his own bloody bike. Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, people with good hearts think he deserves a present. The surplus will be going to a charity, most likely Calais Action. The average salary for an MP is £67,000. I think the people with good hearts might do better donating their money directly to a charity. But how would that buy Jeremy Corbyn a bike, and underline how out of touch with reality The Telegraph is? You haven't thought this through at all. Out of touch with reality? Really? £67,000 is quite enough to buy a bike (yes, in reality). Yes, The Telegraph is completely out of touch with reality. The only people who don't think so are, obviously, completely out of touch with reality. And why do you think this topic is about 'can Jeremy Corbyn afford to buy a bike'? The issue isn't whether Corbyn can or can;t afford to buy a bike, it;s obvious he could afford just about any bike in the market. The issue is that he stated his dream bike was an incredibly cheap and modest one and the Telegraph somehow used that as an angle to attack him.
The crowdfunding site is deliubertaely aimed to piss off the right wing press.
It;s funny that some people are so desperate to attack Corbyn in any way, they don't even read the news and start ranting that he should buy his own bike!
Corbyn is routinely and unnecessarily attacked by the media. But I have no idea why anyone would want to buy him a bike. Is that a funny reaction?
You have no idea?
Try reading the fundraising link, you will be enlightened.
Not really. If he wants a bike, he can bloody well buy one. If people want to make a political point, there are better ways to make it. If people want to donate money, there are better causes to donate to."Really? Can you name seven? | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. I suspect that Jeremy could afford to buy his own bloody bike. Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, people with good hearts think he deserves a present. The surplus will be going to a charity, most likely Calais Action. The average salary for an MP is £67,000. I think the people with good hearts might do better donating their money directly to a charity. But how would that buy Jeremy Corbyn a bike, and underline how out of touch with reality The Telegraph is? You haven't thought this through at all. Out of touch with reality? Really? £67,000 is quite enough to buy a bike (yes, in reality). Yes, The Telegraph is completely out of touch with reality. The only people who don't think so are, obviously, completely out of touch with reality. And why do you think this topic is about 'can Jeremy Corbyn afford to buy a bike'? I would think that anyone who thinks £475 for a bike is a modest sum is rather out of touch with reality. Sadly that's how much an average bike is now " Sadly? That's just pocket change for a man like you surely? | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. I suspect that Jeremy could afford to buy his own bloody bike. Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, people with good hearts think he deserves a present. The surplus will be going to a charity, most likely Calais Action. The average salary for an MP is £67,000. I think the people with good hearts might do better donating their money directly to a charity. But how would that buy Jeremy Corbyn a bike, and underline how out of touch with reality The Telegraph is? You haven't thought this through at all. Out of touch with reality? Really? £67,000 is quite enough to buy a bike (yes, in reality). Yes, The Telegraph is completely out of touch with reality. The only people who don't think so are, obviously, completely out of touch with reality. And why do you think this topic is about 'can Jeremy Corbyn afford to buy a bike'? I would think that anyone who thinks £475 for a bike is a modest sum is rather out of touch with reality. Sadly that's how much an average bike is now " That's how much a decent set of wheels cost, £475 is how much entry level bikes begin at. | |||
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"Boris bikes are No longer Tory blue I'm reading far too much into this but I don't care Haha either Boris is a secret labour supporter or he is slowly phasing in the sickle and hammer... Imagine that, Boris deliberately dicking over the Tories. Could happen (trump and the Republicans) Haha the Trump being a secret Democrat thing? I don't believe that - it'd be funny if it were true but I just can't see it. Hopefully he'll de-legitimise the Republicans. It's a two party system! Do you think a dictatorship is better than having republicans? " When I said de-legitimise I was saying hopefully his far right comments would be too much for most Americans to vote for the Republicans - I know they will never be 'gone.' I feel I should have said that Donald Trump as Republican Party leader may dis-credit the party. In the sense that either not enough would vote for him as President, or that a majority would prefer someone left centre or truly left. Depending on whether Clinton or Sanders becomes the democrat leader. And no, I do not think a dictatorship is better - that said I think some Republican's and some Trump supporters need to come to terms with the multicultural and diverse world we live in. | |||
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"Let's hope the surplus goes to buying bikes and providing lessons for kids. I suspect that Jeremy could afford to buy his own bloody bike. Undoubtedly. But seeing as he is the MP with the lowest expenses claims in the entire House of Commons, people with good hearts think he deserves a present. The surplus will be going to a charity, most likely Calais Action. The average salary for an MP is £67,000. I think the people with good hearts might do better donating their money directly to a charity. But how would that buy Jeremy Corbyn a bike, and underline how out of touch with reality The Telegraph is? You haven't thought this through at all. Out of touch with reality? Really? £67,000 is quite enough to buy a bike (yes, in reality). Yes, The Telegraph is completely out of touch with reality. The only people who don't think so are, obviously, completely out of touch with reality. And why do you think this topic is about 'can Jeremy Corbyn afford to buy a bike'? I would think that anyone who thinks £475 for a bike is a modest sum is rather out of touch with reality. Sadly that's how much an average bike is now Sadly? That's just pocket change for a man like you surely? "I don't care for ridding I am afraid So it is sadly as its a lot for something I don't like Oh and I was trying to be empathetic to others and not a flashy showy guy anymore But you clearly want to see the loadsa money side of me | |||
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" Personally I'd find it more refreshing to see an MP who had a success period of real work experience. That would inspire me they actually understand how an economy works, rather than people that need to rely on text books to tell them what capitalism really is. As much as I hate to say it, only Farage can make that claim. I see your point and part of me regrettably agrees. Arguably he has more 'real life' experience than a lot of current Mp's. At the same point Corbyn has always been a committed activist on a range of issues. And as much as yes, the economy is important, issues such as social welfare ultimately have an equal importance. I think that is something that is refreshing about Corbyn, the fact that he really has the mentality of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Except that the economy pays for social welfare so they can't be equal because one doesn't exist without the other. Hence why every communist country has ended up bankrupt and usually with famine. " I didn't know that China was secretly bankrupt. You learn something new every day..... | |||
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" Personally I'd find it more refreshing to see an MP who had a success period of real work experience. That would inspire me they actually understand how an economy works, rather than people that need to rely on text books to tell them what capitalism really is. As much as I hate to say it, only Farage can make that claim. I see your point and part of me regrettably agrees. Arguably he has more 'real life' experience than a lot of current Mp's. At the same point Corbyn has always been a committed activist on a range of issues. And as much as yes, the economy is important, issues such as social welfare ultimately have an equal importance. I think that is something that is refreshing about Corbyn, the fact that he really has the mentality of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Except that the economy pays for social welfare so they can't be equal because one doesn't exist without the other. Hence why every communist country has ended up bankrupt and usually with famine. I didn't know that China was secretly bankrupt. You learn something new every day..... "You could easily argue the China is. Ow communist in name only It's effectively a capitalist economy with a socialist wrap all managed by the party/military Going back to when it was Communist they were poor and had massive famines | |||
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" Personally I'd find it more refreshing to see an MP who had a success period of real work experience. That would inspire me they actually understand how an economy works, rather than people that need to rely on text books to tell them what capitalism really is. As much as I hate to say it, only Farage can make that claim. I see your point and part of me regrettably agrees. Arguably he has more 'real life' experience than a lot of current Mp's. At the same point Corbyn has always been a committed activist on a range of issues. And as much as yes, the economy is important, issues such as social welfare ultimately have an equal importance. I think that is something that is refreshing about Corbyn, the fact that he really has the mentality of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Except that the economy pays for social welfare so they can't be equal because one doesn't exist without the other. Hence why every communist country has ended up bankrupt and usually with famine. I didn't know that China was secretly bankrupt. You learn something new every day..... "China debt is now also at 207% of GDP So pretty leveraged to hell - one big bubble | |||
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" Personally I'd find it more refreshing to see an MP who had a success period of real work experience. That would inspire me they actually understand how an economy works, rather than people that need to rely on text books to tell them what capitalism really is. As much as I hate to say it, only Farage can make that claim. I see your point and part of me regrettably agrees. Arguably he has more 'real life' experience than a lot of current Mp's. At the same point Corbyn has always been a committed activist on a range of issues. And as much as yes, the economy is important, issues such as social welfare ultimately have an equal importance. I think that is something that is refreshing about Corbyn, the fact that he really has the mentality of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Except that the economy pays for social welfare so they can't be equal because one doesn't exist without the other. Hence why every communist country has ended up bankrupt and usually with famine. I didn't know that China was secretly bankrupt. You learn something new every day.....
You could easily argue the China is. Ow communist in name only
It's effectively a capitalist economy with a socialist wrap all managed by the party/military
Going back to when it was Communist they were poor and had massive famines
"You could, but you'd be incredibly naieve to do so. "State capitalism" has been tried more than once, although China seem to be incredibly successful at it. Its the vanguardists answer to installing communism in a state that has not yet undergone an industrial revolution. | |||
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" Personally I'd find it more refreshing to see an MP who had a success period of real work experience. That would inspire me they actually understand how an economy works, rather than people that need to rely on text books to tell them what capitalism really is. As much as I hate to say it, only Farage can make that claim. I see your point and part of me regrettably agrees. Arguably he has more 'real life' experience than a lot of current Mp's. At the same point Corbyn has always been a committed activist on a range of issues. And as much as yes, the economy is important, issues such as social welfare ultimately have an equal importance. I think that is something that is refreshing about Corbyn, the fact that he really has the mentality of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Except that the economy pays for social welfare so they can't be equal because one doesn't exist without the other. Hence why every communist country has ended up bankrupt and usually with famine. I didn't know that China was secretly bankrupt. You learn something new every day.....
China debt is now also at 207% of GDP
So pretty leveraged to hell - one big bubble "Not bankrupt though, is it? - plenty of non-bankrupt states with massive debt knocking about. | |||
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" Personally I'd find it more refreshing to see an MP who had a success period of real work experience. That would inspire me they actually understand how an economy works, rather than people that need to rely on text books to tell them what capitalism really is. As much as I hate to say it, only Farage can make that claim. I see your point and part of me regrettably agrees. Arguably he has more 'real life' experience than a lot of current Mp's. At the same point Corbyn has always been a committed activist on a range of issues. And as much as yes, the economy is important, issues such as social welfare ultimately have an equal importance. I think that is something that is refreshing about Corbyn, the fact that he really has the mentality of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Except that the economy pays for social welfare so they can't be equal because one doesn't exist without the other. Hence why every communist country has ended up bankrupt and usually with famine. I didn't know that China was secretly bankrupt. You learn something new every day.....
China debt is now also at 207% of GDP
So pretty leveraged to hell - one big bubble
Not bankrupt though, is it? - plenty of non-bankrupt states with massive debt knocking about. "It's not communist now either. When it was it had famine, 18-60m people died. What's your point? | |||
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" Personally I'd find it more refreshing to see an MP who had a success period of real work experience. That would inspire me they actually understand how an economy works, rather than people that need to rely on text books to tell them what capitalism really is. As much as I hate to say it, only Farage can make that claim. I see your point and part of me regrettably agrees. Arguably he has more 'real life' experience than a lot of current Mp's. At the same point Corbyn has always been a committed activist on a range of issues. And as much as yes, the economy is important, issues such as social welfare ultimately have an equal importance. I think that is something that is refreshing about Corbyn, the fact that he really has the mentality of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Except that the economy pays for social welfare so they can't be equal because one doesn't exist without the other. Hence why every communist country has ended up bankrupt and usually with famine. I didn't know that China was secretly bankrupt. You learn something new every day.....
China debt is now also at 207% of GDP
So pretty leveraged to hell - one big bubble
Not bankrupt though, is it? - plenty of non-bankrupt states with massive debt knocking about.
It's not communist now either.
When it was it had famine, 18-60m people died.
What's your point? "Of course its Communist - the state machinery is controlled by the communist party. | |||
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" Personally I'd find it more refreshing to see an MP who had a success period of real work experience. That would inspire me they actually understand how an economy works, rather than people that need to rely on text books to tell them what capitalism really is. As much as I hate to say it, only Farage can make that claim. I see your point and part of me regrettably agrees. Arguably he has more 'real life' experience than a lot of current Mp's. At the same point Corbyn has always been a committed activist on a range of issues. And as much as yes, the economy is important, issues such as social welfare ultimately have an equal importance. I think that is something that is refreshing about Corbyn, the fact that he really has the mentality of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Except that the economy pays for social welfare so they can't be equal because one doesn't exist without the other. Hence why every communist country has ended up bankrupt and usually with famine. I didn't know that China was secretly bankrupt. You learn something new every day.....
China debt is now also at 207% of GDP
So pretty leveraged to hell - one big bubble
Not bankrupt though, is it? - plenty of non-bankrupt states with massive debt knocking about.
It's not communist now either.
When it was it had famine, 18-60m people died.
What's your point?
Of course its Communist - the state machinery is controlled by the communist party. "It's hard to know where to start with someone who thinks China is a communist country. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and presume he's being willfully ignorant. Go read about Deng Shao Ping mate... | |||
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" Personally I'd find it more refreshing to see an MP who had a success period of real work experience. That would inspire me they actually understand how an economy works, rather than people that need to rely on text books to tell them what capitalism really is. As much as I hate to say it, only Farage can make that claim. I see your point and part of me regrettably agrees. Arguably he has more 'real life' experience than a lot of current Mp's. At the same point Corbyn has always been a committed activist on a range of issues. And as much as yes, the economy is important, issues such as social welfare ultimately have an equal importance. I think that is something that is refreshing about Corbyn, the fact that he really has the mentality of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Except that the economy pays for social welfare so they can't be equal because one doesn't exist without the other. Hence why every communist country has ended up bankrupt and usually with famine. I didn't know that China was secretly bankrupt. You learn something new every day.....
China debt is now also at 207% of GDP
So pretty leveraged to hell - one big bubble
Not bankrupt though, is it? - plenty of non-bankrupt states with massive debt knocking about.
It's not communist now either.
When it was it had famine, 18-60m people died.
What's your point?
Of course its Communist - the state machinery is controlled by the communist party.
It's hard to know where to start with someone who thinks China is a communist country. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and presume he's being willfully ignorant. Go read about Deng Shao Ping mate... "I know anout him, and also about Lenins NEP, to which I could compare China currently. It is, however, still a single party state controlled by the Communist party. Like I said, it isn't the first instance of "state capitalism", and I have no doubt that the Communist party will use market reforms until it suits them, at which point, expect purges. | |||
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" Personally I'd find it more refreshing to see an MP who had a success period of real work experience. That would inspire me they actually understand how an economy works, rather than people that need to rely on text books to tell them what capitalism really is. As much as I hate to say it, only Farage can make that claim. I see your point and part of me regrettably agrees. Arguably he has more 'real life' experience than a lot of current Mp's. At the same point Corbyn has always been a committed activist on a range of issues. And as much as yes, the economy is important, issues such as social welfare ultimately have an equal importance. I think that is something that is refreshing about Corbyn, the fact that he really has the mentality of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Except that the economy pays for social welfare so they can't be equal because one doesn't exist without the other. Hence why every communist country has ended up bankrupt and usually with famine. I didn't know that China was secretly bankrupt. You learn something new every day.....
China debt is now also at 207% of GDP
So pretty leveraged to hell - one big bubble
Not bankrupt though, is it? - plenty of non-bankrupt states with massive debt knocking about.
It's not communist now either.
When it was it had famine, 18-60m people died.
What's your point?
Of course its Communist - the state machinery is controlled by the communist party.
It's hard to know where to start with someone who thinks China is a communist country. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and presume he's being willfully ignorant. Go read about Deng Shao Ping mate...
I know anout him, and also about Lenins NEP, to which I could compare China currently.
It is, however, still a single party state controlled by the Communist party.
Like I said, it isn't the first instance of "state capitalism", and I have no doubt that the Communist party will use market reforms until it suits them, at which point, expect purges. "Yes it is state capitalist. Which is nothing like communism. Currently it's biggest problem it that's it's stock market is crashing - Marx would roll in his grave. It's no more communist than Congo is a democratic republic. | |||
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" Personally I'd find it more refreshing to see an MP who had a success period of real work experience. That would inspire me they actually understand how an economy works, rather than people that need to rely on text books to tell them what capitalism really is. As much as I hate to say it, only Farage can make that claim. I see your point and part of me regrettably agrees. Arguably he has more 'real life' experience than a lot of current Mp's. At the same point Corbyn has always been a committed activist on a range of issues. And as much as yes, the economy is important, issues such as social welfare ultimately have an equal importance. I think that is something that is refreshing about Corbyn, the fact that he really has the mentality of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Except that the economy pays for social welfare so they can't be equal because one doesn't exist without the other. Hence why every communist country has ended up bankrupt and usually with famine. I didn't know that China was secretly bankrupt. You learn something new every day.....
China debt is now also at 207% of GDP
So pretty leveraged to hell - one big bubble
Not bankrupt though, is it? - plenty of non-bankrupt states with massive debt knocking about.
It's not communist now either.
When it was it had famine, 18-60m people died.
What's your point?
Of course its Communist - the state machinery is controlled by the communist party.
It's hard to know where to start with someone who thinks China is a communist country. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and presume he's being willfully ignorant. Go read about Deng Shao Ping mate...
I know anout him, and also about Lenins NEP, to which I could compare China currently.
It is, however, still a single party state controlled by the Communist party.
Like I said, it isn't the first instance of "state capitalism", and I have no doubt that the Communist party will use market reforms until it suits them, at which point, expect purges.
Yes it is state capitalist. Which is nothing like communism.
Currently it's biggest problem it that's it's stock market is crashing - Marx would roll in his grave.
It's no more communist than Congo is a democratic republic. "I think the Chinese would beg to differ with you. | |||
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" Personally I'd find it more refreshing to see an MP who had a success period of real work experience. That would inspire me they actually understand how an economy works, rather than people that need to rely on text books to tell them what capitalism really is. As much as I hate to say it, only Farage can make that claim. I see your point and part of me regrettably agrees. Arguably he has more 'real life' experience than a lot of current Mp's. At the same point Corbyn has always been a committed activist on a range of issues. And as much as yes, the economy is important, issues such as social welfare ultimately have an equal importance. I think that is something that is refreshing about Corbyn, the fact that he really has the mentality of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Except that the economy pays for social welfare so they can't be equal because one doesn't exist without the other. Hence why every communist country has ended up bankrupt and usually with famine. I didn't know that China was secretly bankrupt. You learn something new every day.....
China debt is now also at 207% of GDP
So pretty leveraged to hell - one big bubble
Not bankrupt though, is it? - plenty of non-bankrupt states with massive debt knocking about.
It's not communist now either.
When it was it had famine, 18-60m people died.
What's your point?
Of course its Communist - the state machinery is controlled by the communist party.
It's hard to know where to start with someone who thinks China is a communist country. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and presume he's being willfully ignorant. Go read about Deng Shao Ping mate...
I know anout him, and also about Lenins NEP, to which I could compare China currently.
It is, however, still a single party state controlled by the Communist party.
Like I said, it isn't the first instance of "state capitalism", and I have no doubt that the Communist party will use market reforms until it suits them, at which point, expect purges.
Yes it is state capitalist. Which is nothing like communism.
Currently it's biggest problem it that's it's stock market is crashing - Marx would roll in his grave.
It's no more communist than Congo is a democratic republic.
I think the Chinese would beg to differ with you. "Although, if we extrapolate your argument, none of the states that claim(ed) to be communist states actually are (or were). Ergo, every communist state cannot have ended up either with bankruptcy or famine, because none have ever existed. Take your pick. | |||
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" Personally I'd find it more refreshing to see an MP who had a success period of real work experience. That would inspire me they actually understand how an economy works, rather than people that need to rely on text books to tell them what capitalism really is. As much as I hate to say it, only Farage can make that claim. I see your point and part of me regrettably agrees. Arguably he has more 'real life' experience than a lot of current Mp's. At the same point Corbyn has always been a committed activist on a range of issues. And as much as yes, the economy is important, issues such as social welfare ultimately have an equal importance. I think that is something that is refreshing about Corbyn, the fact that he really has the mentality of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Except that the economy pays for social welfare so they can't be equal because one doesn't exist without the other. Hence why every communist country has ended up bankrupt and usually with famine. I didn't know that China was secretly bankrupt. You learn something new every day.....
China debt is now also at 207% of GDP
So pretty leveraged to hell - one big bubble
Not bankrupt though, is it? - plenty of non-bankrupt states with massive debt knocking about.
It's not communist now either.
When it was it had famine, 18-60m people died.
What's your point?
Of course its Communist - the state machinery is controlled by the communist party.
It's hard to know where to start with someone who thinks China is a communist country. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and presume he's being willfully ignorant. Go read about Deng Shao Ping mate...
I know anout him, and also about Lenins NEP, to which I could compare China currently.
It is, however, still a single party state controlled by the Communist party.
Like I said, it isn't the first instance of "state capitalism", and I have no doubt that the Communist party will use market reforms until it suits them, at which point, expect purges.
Yes it is state capitalist. Which is nothing like communism.
Currently it's biggest problem it that's it's stock market is crashing - Marx would roll in his grave.
It's no more communist than Congo is a democratic republic.
I think the Chinese would beg to differ with you.
Although, if we extrapolate your argument, none of the states that claim(ed) to be communist states actually are (or were).
Ergo, every communist state cannot have ended up either with bankruptcy or famine, because none have ever existed.
Take your pick. "No, China was clearly communist under Mao. As normal, communism turned out to be a disaster so Deng Shao Ping got rid of it and is a national hero as a result. | |||
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" Personally I'd find it more refreshing to see an MP who had a success period of real work experience. That would inspire me they actually understand how an economy works, rather than people that need to rely on text books to tell them what capitalism really is. As much as I hate to say it, only Farage can make that claim. I see your point and part of me regrettably agrees. Arguably he has more 'real life' experience than a lot of current Mp's. At the same point Corbyn has always been a committed activist on a range of issues. And as much as yes, the economy is important, issues such as social welfare ultimately have an equal importance. I think that is something that is refreshing about Corbyn, the fact that he really has the mentality of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Except that the economy pays for social welfare so they can't be equal because one doesn't exist without the other. Hence why every communist country has ended up bankrupt and usually with famine. I didn't know that China was secretly bankrupt. You learn something new every day.....
China debt is now also at 207% of GDP
So pretty leveraged to hell - one big bubble
Not bankrupt though, is it? - plenty of non-bankrupt states with massive debt knocking about.
It's not communist now either.
When it was it had famine, 18-60m people died.
What's your point?
Of course its Communist - the state machinery is controlled by the communist party.
It's hard to know where to start with someone who thinks China is a communist country. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and presume he's being willfully ignorant. Go read about Deng Shao Ping mate...
I know anout him, and also about Lenins NEP, to which I could compare China currently.
It is, however, still a single party state controlled by the Communist party.
Like I said, it isn't the first instance of "state capitalism", and I have no doubt that the Communist party will use market reforms until it suits them, at which point, expect purges.
Yes it is state capitalist. Which is nothing like communism.
Currently it's biggest problem it that's it's stock market is crashing - Marx would roll in his grave.
It's no more communist than Congo is a democratic republic.
I think the Chinese would beg to differ with you.
Although, if we extrapolate your argument, none of the states that claim(ed) to be communist states actually are (or were).
Ergo, every communist state cannot have ended up either with bankruptcy or famine, because none have ever existed.
Take your pick.
No, China was clearly communist under Mao. As normal, communism turned out to be a disaster so Deng Shao Ping got rid of it and is a national hero as a result."Was it? According to who? Does that mean that the USSR was communist under Stalin and wasn't under Lenin or Krushchev? You could easily argue (in both cases) that non-industrial countries with vanguardist movements, and subsequent dictatorships aren't "Communist" either. Or, you could take the more simple definition of a single party state controlled by a communist party. | |||
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" Personally I'd find it more refreshing to see an MP who had a success period of real work experience. That would inspire me they actually understand how an economy works, rather than people that need to rely on text books to tell them what capitalism really is. As much as I hate to say it, only Farage can make that claim. I see your point and part of me regrettably agrees. Arguably he has more 'real life' experience than a lot of current Mp's. At the same point Corbyn has always been a committed activist on a range of issues. And as much as yes, the economy is important, issues such as social welfare ultimately have an equal importance. I think that is something that is refreshing about Corbyn, the fact that he really has the mentality of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Except that the economy pays for social welfare so they can't be equal because one doesn't exist without the other. Hence why every communist country has ended up bankrupt and usually with famine. I didn't know that China was secretly bankrupt. You learn something new every day.....
China debt is now also at 207% of GDP
So pretty leveraged to hell - one big bubble
Not bankrupt though, is it? - plenty of non-bankrupt states with massive debt knocking about.
It's not communist now either.
When it was it had famine, 18-60m people died.
What's your point?
Of course its Communist - the state machinery is controlled by the communist party.
It's hard to know where to start with someone who thinks China is a communist country. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and presume he's being willfully ignorant. Go read about Deng Shao Ping mate...
I know anout him, and also about Lenins NEP, to which I could compare China currently.
It is, however, still a single party state controlled by the Communist party.
Like I said, it isn't the first instance of "state capitalism", and I have no doubt that the Communist party will use market reforms until it suits them, at which point, expect purges.
Yes it is state capitalist. Which is nothing like communism.
Currently it's biggest problem it that's it's stock market is crashing - Marx would roll in his grave.
It's no more communist than Congo is a democratic republic.
I think the Chinese would beg to differ with you.
Although, if we extrapolate your argument, none of the states that claim(ed) to be communist states actually are (or were).
Ergo, every communist state cannot have ended up either with bankruptcy or famine, because none have ever existed.
Take your pick.
No, China was clearly communist under Mao. As normal, communism turned out to be a disaster so Deng Shao Ping got rid of it and is a national hero as a result.
Was it? According to who?
Does that mean that the USSR was communist under Stalin and wasn't under Lenin or Krushchev?
You could easily argue (in both cases) that non-industrial countries with vanguardist movements, and subsequent dictatorships aren't "Communist" either.
Or, you could take the more simple definition of a single party state controlled by a communist party. "Also, this must mean that Cuba has never been communist either... | |||
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" Personally I'd find it more refreshing to see an MP who had a success period of real work experience. That would inspire me they actually understand how an economy works, rather than people that need to rely on text books to tell them what capitalism really is. As much as I hate to say it, only Farage can make that claim. I see your point and part of me regrettably agrees. Arguably he has more 'real life' experience than a lot of current Mp's. At the same point Corbyn has always been a committed activist on a range of issues. And as much as yes, the economy is important, issues such as social welfare ultimately have an equal importance. I think that is something that is refreshing about Corbyn, the fact that he really has the mentality of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Except that the economy pays for social welfare so they can't be equal because one doesn't exist without the other. Hence why every communist country has ended up bankrupt and usually with famine. I didn't know that China was secretly bankrupt. You learn something new every day.....
China debt is now also at 207% of GDP
So pretty leveraged to hell - one big bubble
Not bankrupt though, is it? - plenty of non-bankrupt states with massive debt knocking about.
It's not communist now either.
When it was it had famine, 18-60m people died.
What's your point?
Of course its Communist - the state machinery is controlled by the communist party.
It's hard to know where to start with someone who thinks China is a communist country. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and presume he's being willfully ignorant. Go read about Deng Shao Ping mate...
I know anout him, and also about Lenins NEP, to which I could compare China currently.
It is, however, still a single party state controlled by the Communist party.
Like I said, it isn't the first instance of "state capitalism", and I have no doubt that the Communist party will use market reforms until it suits them, at which point, expect purges.
Yes it is state capitalist. Which is nothing like communism.
Currently it's biggest problem it that's it's stock market is crashing - Marx would roll in his grave.
It's no more communist than Congo is a democratic republic.
I think the Chinese would beg to differ with you.
Although, if we extrapolate your argument, none of the states that claim(ed) to be communist states actually are (or were).
Ergo, every communist state cannot have ended up either with bankruptcy or famine, because none have ever existed.
Take your pick.
No, China was clearly communist under Mao. As normal, communism turned out to be a disaster so Deng Shao Ping got rid of it and is a national hero as a result.
Was it? According to who?
Does that mean that the USSR was communist under Stalin and wasn't under Lenin or Krushchev?
You could easily argue (in both cases) that non-industrial countries with vanguardist movements, and subsequent dictatorships aren't "Communist" either.
Or, you could take the more simple definition of a single party state controlled by a communist party. "yawn, yes we could sit here twisting words and stretching definitions all night long. It's my opinion that any reasonably intelligence person already knows the answers to those questions so goodnight. | |||
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" Personally I'd find it more refreshing to see an MP who had a success period of real work experience. That would inspire me they actually understand how an economy works, rather than people that need to rely on text books to tell them what capitalism really is. As much as I hate to say it, only Farage can make that claim. I see your point and part of me regrettably agrees. Arguably he has more 'real life' experience than a lot of current Mp's. At the same point Corbyn has always been a committed activist on a range of issues. And as much as yes, the economy is important, issues such as social welfare ultimately have an equal importance. I think that is something that is refreshing about Corbyn, the fact that he really has the mentality of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Except that the economy pays for social welfare so they can't be equal because one doesn't exist without the other. Hence why every communist country has ended up bankrupt and usually with famine. I didn't know that China was secretly bankrupt. You learn something new every day.....
China debt is now also at 207% of GDP
So pretty leveraged to hell - one big bubble
Not bankrupt though, is it? - plenty of non-bankrupt states with massive debt knocking about.
It's not communist now either.
When it was it had famine, 18-60m people died.
What's your point?
Of course its Communist - the state machinery is controlled by the communist party.
It's hard to know where to start with someone who thinks China is a communist country. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and presume he's being willfully ignorant. Go read about Deng Shao Ping mate...
I know anout him, and also about Lenins NEP, to which I could compare China currently.
It is, however, still a single party state controlled by the Communist party.
Like I said, it isn't the first instance of "state capitalism", and I have no doubt that the Communist party will use market reforms until it suits them, at which point, expect purges.
Yes it is state capitalist. Which is nothing like communism.
Currently it's biggest problem it that's it's stock market is crashing - Marx would roll in his grave.
It's no more communist than Congo is a democratic republic.
I think the Chinese would beg to differ with you.
Although, if we extrapolate your argument, none of the states that claim(ed) to be communist states actually are (or were).
Ergo, every communist state cannot have ended up either with bankruptcy or famine, because none have ever existed.
Take your pick.
No, China was clearly communist under Mao. As normal, communism turned out to be a disaster so Deng Shao Ping got rid of it and is a national hero as a result.
Was it? According to who?
Does that mean that the USSR was communist under Stalin and wasn't under Lenin or Krushchev?
You could easily argue (in both cases) that non-industrial countries with vanguardist movements, and subsequent dictatorships aren't "Communist" either.
Or, you could take the more simple definition of a single party state controlled by a communist party.
yawn, yes we could sit here twisting words and stretching definitions all night long. It's my opinion that any reasonably intelligence person already knows the answers to those questions so goodnight.
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