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"Good luck with that " Good luck to you too. I'm not under any illusion this will happen soon. But the future is unknown | |||
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"I think it would be better if we evolved past the idea of having separate nations and live closer to reality. Nations aren't real in the physical sense. If you flew up to space and looked back at Earth you wouldn't see the lines on the map dividing us. I think a more advanced culture would involve doing away with nations altogether and people can move freely around the Earth. That solves the immigration problem for a start. Having nations divides us and does it benefit us really? What is the benefit of having nations to us? I don't mean the benefit of living in Britain. I mean nations in general. It can benefit those at the top, the rich, as it divides us and money can be made in trade between nations. But does it really benefit people like you and me? I'd like to see a united Earth (in touch with reality) with no Government (Science instead...not politics). Incase anyone's wondering I'm not left wing (or right wing). I support Science over politics and money for operating society. (See Venus Project thread) Any thoughts? " I find myself totally agreeing | |||
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"I think it would be better if we evolved past the idea of having separate nations and live closer to reality. Nations aren't real in the physical sense. If you flew up to space and looked back at Earth you wouldn't see the lines on the map dividing us. I think a more advanced culture would involve doing away with nations altogether and people can move freely around the Earth. That solves the immigration problem for a start. Having nations divides us and does it benefit us really? What is the benefit of having nations to us? I don't mean the benefit of living in Britain. I mean nations in general. It can benefit those at the top, the rich, as it divides us and money can be made in trade between nations. But does it really benefit people like you and me? I'd like to see a united Earth (in touch with reality) with no Government (Science instead...not politics). Incase anyone's wondering I'm not left wing (or right wing). I support Science over politics and money for operating society. (See Venus Project thread) Any thoughts? " humans are fleeting. the earth is as changeable as we see the weather..just over longer periods.. I;ve laughed at prehistoric scotland articles...as there never was one some people think our countries and continents are static....they are cunts. | |||
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"People are way too concerned with made up borders and invented nationalities. " Yes and I can't see the benefit of that to us. We seem to focus a lot on what divides us instead of what unites us. | |||
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"People are way too concerned with made up borders and invented nationalities. Yes and I can't see the benefit of that to us. We seem to focus a lot on what divides us instead of what unites us. " Geologically speaking we have only been around for the blinking of an eye but we've wrought carnage on other species and see well on the way to fucking the planet. The sooner we are whiped out the better so that the other species may survive. | |||
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"People are way too concerned with made up borders and invented nationalities. " in a societal way yes..they are.. I think its imprtant to have genetic diversty, as well as genetic stability..so culturally and gentically..there has top be a balance. my genes may help future generations..soley on the fact they might not get skin cancer from the possible impending heat.....on the other hand.. I'd always say..if people want to observe how space works(ie glaxies etc), they can apply it to how a living world works my worst fears are peeople(of all ilks) thinking they own their part of the world...they always fail, and show themselves as subpar humanics really, if they think a few thousand years of control over an area will make their future prosperous...its one of our most amazing qualities..being so selfish as a people...yet knoing it wasnt/isnt the right thing to do... | |||
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" Geologically speaking we have only been around for the blinking of an eye but we've wrought carnage on other species and see well on the way to fucking the planet. The sooner we are whiped out the better so that the other species may survive." We should clean up the mess best we can first. We could be a benefit if we focused on it. | |||
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"Also there are more than just one book vs Capitalism. The CEO of Google has spoke about the coming 'Technological Unemployemnt' and Bill Gates and others. It's been spoke about a lot. Capitalism just isn't designed to adapt to it. It's a static system which doesn't anticipate change. " We have had technical innovation for years Hence primary economy, secondary and now services | |||
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"Also there are more than just one book vs Capitalism. The CEO of Google has spoke about the coming 'Technological Unemployemnt' and Bill Gates and others. It's been spoke about a lot. Capitalism just isn't designed to adapt to it. It's a static system which doesn't anticipate change. We have had technical innovation for years Hence primary economy, secondary and now services " Yes that's true but the difference over the next few years an onwards is that technology is developing faster than in the past. In the past we could create new sectors for people but going forward, the tech will be evolving to fast for us to keep up this time. | |||
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"As we all know throughout history, there are certain people who are not prepared to let sleeping dogs lie. All they want to do is take advantage of the disadvantaged. This is not a new problem and while humanity exists on this planet, we will never learn from past events
Now when's that next comet coming "Fuck the comet, what we need is a good old fashioned zombie apocalypse, survival of the fittest lol | |||
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"As we all know throughout history, there are certain people who are not prepared to let sleeping dogs lie. All they want to do is take advantage of the disadvantaged. This is not a new problem and while humanity exists on this planet, we will never learn from past events
Now when's that next comet coming
Fuck the comet, what we need is a good old fashioned zombie apocalypse, survival of the fittest lol"I have Zombie survival techniques in place  | |||
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" Having nations divides us and does it benefit us really? What is the benefit of having nations to us? I don't mean the benefit of living in Britain. I mean nations in general. It can benefit those at the top, the rich, as it divides us and money can be made in trade between nations. But does it really benefit people like you and me? I'd like to see a united Earth (in touch with reality) with no Government (Science instead...not politics). Incase anyone's wondering I'm not left wing (or right wing). I support Science over politics and money for operating society. (See Venus Project thread) Any thoughts? " A few things here. One nations provide competition and thus a drive to improve (more advances are made in war than peace, and cold war is a nice mixture of the two ). Secondly you csnt run a country with science. Thats like saying im going to build a wall with a rake. Its not a job the tool is designed for. So based on this I'll go out on a limb and say you have no scientific background whatsoever and just view it as a higher authority like most do. It's akin to a religion amongst the uneducated, scientists say, came the word from the mount | |||
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" Having nations divides us and does it benefit us really? What is the benefit of having nations to us? I don't mean the benefit of living in Britain. I mean nations in general. It can benefit those at the top, the rich, as it divides us and money can be made in trade between nations. But does it really benefit people like you and me? I'd like to see a united Earth (in touch with reality) with no Government (Science instead...not politics). Incase anyone's wondering I'm not left wing (or right wing). I support Science over politics and money for operating society. (See Venus Project thread) Any thoughts? A few things here. One nations provide competition and thus a drive to improve (more advances are made in war than peace, and cold war is a nice mixture of the two ). Secondly you csnt run a country with science. Thats like saying im going to build a wall with a rake. Its not a job the tool is designed for. So based on this I'll go out on a limb and say you have no scientific background whatsoever and just view it as a higher authority like most do. It's akin to a religion amongst the uneducated, scientists say, came the word from the mount " I mentioned earlier that it's been shown statistically that more competitive nations are less innovative. There has been a lot of research done on what motivates us. You can run a country based on the scientific method. It means you test ideas and use what works and drop what doesn't with the intent of making life better for people. It's running society based on facts instead of opinions.I don't understand the rake analogue. I think you've misunderstood me or are making assumptions maybe. I have never worked in any scientific sector. So I listen to the people who do the research about various things I'm interested in. I don't automatically believe everything scientists say because they don't all agree for a start and sometimes it can be corrupted by our current system due to vested interests politically and in a corporate/business sense. I don't view science as a higher power. It's the best method we have for testing things. That's all. Sometimes people can't fathom the type of system I'm talking about because we've never known anything like that before. It's always been politics/money so it's outside our reference. As I explained before, technological unemployment will spell the end of our current system. Who knows what we'll do but I know what system I'd like to see as a replacement. | |||
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"Who knows what we'll do but I know what system I'd like to see as a replacement. " Perhaps a dog eat dog system  | |||
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" Having nations divides us and does it benefit us really? What is the benefit of having nations to us? I don't mean the benefit of living in Britain. I mean nations in general. It can benefit those at the top, the rich, as it divides us and money can be made in trade between nations. But does it really benefit people like you and me? I'd like to see a united Earth (in touch with reality) with no Government (Science instead...not politics). Incase anyone's wondering I'm not left wing (or right wing). I support Science over politics and money for operating society. (See Venus Project thread) Any thoughts? A few things here. One nations provide competition and thus a drive to improve (more advances are made in war than peace, and cold war is a nice mixture of the two ). Secondly you csnt run a country with science. Thats like saying im going to build a wall with a rake. Its not a job the tool is designed for. So based on this I'll go out on a limb and say you have no scientific background whatsoever and just view it as a higher authority like most do. It's akin to a religion amongst the uneducated, scientists say, came the word from the mount I mentioned earlier that it's been shown statistically that more competitive nations are less innovative. There has been a lot of research done on what motivates us. You can run a country based on the scientific method. It means you test ideas and use what works and drop what doesn't with the intent of making life better for people. It's running society based on facts instead of opinions.I don't understand the rake analogue. I think you've misunderstood me or are making assumptions maybe. I have never worked in any scientific sector. So I listen to the people who do the research about various things I'm interested in. I don't automatically believe everything scientists say because they don't all agree for a start and sometimes it can be corrupted by our current system due to vested interests politically and in a corporate/business sense. I don't view science as a higher power. It's the best method we have for testing things. That's all. Sometimes people can't fathom the type of system I'm talking about because we've never known anything like that before. It's always been politics/money so it's outside our reference. As I explained before, technological unemployment will spell the end of our current system. Who knows what we'll do but I know what system I'd like to see as a replacement. " automation spells an unfortunate life for most of us.It will happen..on a grander scale...its a simple fact..we strive for it as a people..regardless of whether its right or wrong. Our problem is is devaluing people..when that starts we begin wars within ourselves, cast systems may have 'worked' in other cultures...but they dont fit into a modern world view. I dont have the answers, but as a global people..surely we arent that dumb enough to believe we cant find solutions to our future generations..unless yer a fucking total fucktwat. | |||
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"People are way too concerned with made up borders and invented nationalities. Yes and I can't see the benefit of that to us. We seem to focus a lot on what divides us instead of what unites us. I don't want to be united with poor Africans etc" Why? | |||
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"No offence but that book, the spirit level is a is a joke. You quoting that to anyone that appreciates economic systems is like quoting the bible to an atheist. It's got diagrams not facts, most the diagrams don't even relate to what the authors claims they do, it's just socialist porn basically. If you want to read something then read "evolutionary psychology" by Allen MacNiell, then you'll understand why what you described is impossible. Although the principle isn't bad and I'd like to do away with a lot of the barriers between different human groups, starting with the number of stupid, pointless languages on this planet. As I see it, there are about 8 worthwhile languages. " I don't know if the book is a joke. I haven't seen any evidence that it's not true. The diagrams are a way of presenting their research so not sure what the problem is with diagrams..You might be right so I'm not saying you're wrong but I haven't seen anything to show you're right so I'll stick with the Equality Trust info. I keep in mind science is corrupted just now because of vested interests so it's difficult to know sometimes what legit research or if the scientist has been paid off to lie about research. I never believe anyone when they say something about the future is impossible or will 'never' happen. We have no idea what the future will be. We don't even fully understand reality so to say something is impossible or will never happen is bad science. I haven't that Evolutionary Psychology book so can't comment on that but I can we are very close to taking control of our own evolution with technology. We don't know what psychology we'll have in the future when we're integrated with technology (nano-bots, cybernation, A.I. etc..). The future is unknown still. | |||
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"No offence but that book, the spirit level is a is a joke. You quoting that to anyone that appreciates economic systems is like quoting the bible to an atheist. It's got diagrams not facts, most the diagrams don't even relate to what the authors claims they do, it's just socialist porn basically. If you want to read something then read "evolutionary psychology" by Allen MacNiell, then you'll understand why what you described is impossible. Although the principle isn't bad and I'd like to do away with a lot of the barriers between different human groups, starting with the number of stupid, pointless languages on this planet. As I see it, there are about 8 worthwhile languages. I don't know if the book is a joke. I haven't seen any evidence that it's not true. The diagrams are a way of presenting their research so not sure what the problem is with diagrams..You might be right so I'm not saying you're wrong but I haven't seen anything to show you're right so I'll stick with the Equality Trust info. I keep in mind science is corrupted just now because of vested interests so it's difficult to know sometimes what legit research or if the scientist has been paid off to lie about research. I never believe anyone when they say something about the future is impossible or will 'never' happen. We have no idea what the future will be. We don't even fully understand reality so to say something is impossible or will never happen is bad science. I haven't that Evolutionary Psychology book so can't comment on that but I can we are very close to taking control of our own evolution with technology. We don't know what psychology we'll have in the future when we're integrated with technology (nano-bots, cybernation, A.I. etc..). The future is unknown still. " Well the spirit level contains just about every analytical error one could make, of course this happens naturally when your setting out to 'prove' something that isn't true but their mistakes include: - comparing countries without adjusting for obvious differences like population - not accounting for differences in where a countries wealth comes from - not adjusting for cultural differences in surveying methods and responses - generally confusing correlation with causation - survivorship bias in their samples If you read the evolutionary psychology book you'd realise that the 'we' don't have the neorological programming to achieve what you are suggesting, now or in the future. You can use pizza ingredients to make all sort of pizzas but you can't make a plane from them. In the same way, the paths our evolution could take are inherently limited. Unless you want to try brainwashing people and creating a "master race"? | |||
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"Communism essentially? Op you know what happened last time someone suggested that "NO that's manipulative. Label it as communism then criticize communism. I'm not talking about communism. That's like me starting a thread about boats and someone saying I'm talking about cars just because they're both forms of transport. There are similarities but I'm talking about something else. I've read the communist manifesto so I know it's different from the venus project and resource based economy which is what I'm talking about. | |||
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"No offence but that book, the spirit level is a is a joke. You quoting that to anyone that appreciates economic systems is like quoting the bible to an atheist. It's got diagrams not facts, most the diagrams don't even relate to what the authors claims they do, it's just socialist porn basically. If you want to read something then read "evolutionary psychology" by Allen MacNiell, then you'll understand why what you described is impossible. Although the principle isn't bad and I'd like to do away with a lot of the barriers between different human groups, starting with the number of stupid, pointless languages on this planet. As I see it, there are about 8 worthwhile languages. I don't know if the book is a joke. I haven't seen any evidence that it's not true. The diagrams are a way of presenting their research so not sure what the problem is with diagrams..You might be right so I'm not saying you're wrong but I haven't seen anything to show you're right so I'll stick with the Equality Trust info. I keep in mind science is corrupted just now because of vested interests so it's difficult to know sometimes what legit research or if the scientist has been paid off to lie about research. I never believe anyone when they say something about the future is impossible or will 'never' happen. We have no idea what the future will be. We don't even fully understand reality so to say something is impossible or will never happen is bad science. I haven't that Evolutionary Psychology book so can't comment on that but I can we are very close to taking control of our own evolution with technology. We don't know what psychology we'll have in the future when we're integrated with technology (nano-bots, cybernation, A.I. etc..). The future is unknown still. Well the spirit level contains just about every analytical error one could make, of course this happens naturally when your setting out to 'prove' something that isn't true but their mistakes include: - comparing countries without adjusting for obvious differences like population - not accounting for differences in where a countries wealth comes from - not adjusting for cultural differences in surveying methods and responses - generally confusing correlation with causation - survivorship bias in their samples If you read the evolutionary psychology book you'd realise that the 'we' don't have the neorological programming to achieve what you are suggesting, now or in the future. You can use pizza ingredients to make all sort of pizzas but you can't make a plane from them. In the same way, the paths our evolution could take are inherently limited. Unless you want to try brainwashing people and creating a "master race"? " I still don't know if that's true but there's too much emphasis on competition and not so much on co-operation. Sport is thought of as competitive but it takes co-operation to make a good football team for example. The team members need to co-operate and co-ordinate well to compete well against the other team who are all trying to co-operate too. We tend to not realize how much co-operation is actually used. Sorry but I don't go along with the 'master race' stuff. That's you basically saying if I don't agree with you then I'm a Nazi. It's manipulative and a loaded statement/question. I don't believe in 'master races' but I do believe technology will influence our evolutionary path. I'm very skeptical when someone says something isn't possible. Like I said, it's bad science | |||
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"Who let David Icke join Fab...... OMG it's all going a bit turquoise shell suits.... "Another manipulative label. If I keep saying what I'm saying then I must believe in reptilian overlords. I don't. I think a few people aren't grasping what I'm talking about. | |||
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"No offence but that book, the spirit level is a is a joke. You quoting that to anyone that appreciates economic systems is like quoting the bible to an atheist. It's got diagrams not facts, most the diagrams don't even relate to what the authors claims they do, it's just socialist porn basically. If you want to read something then read "evolutionary psychology" by Allen MacNiell, then you'll understand why what you described is impossible. Although the principle isn't bad and I'd like to do away with a lot of the barriers between different human groups, starting with the number of stupid, pointless languages on this planet. As I see it, there are about 8 worthwhile languages. I don't know if the book is a joke. I haven't seen any evidence that it's not true. The diagrams are a way of presenting their research so not sure what the problem is with diagrams..You might be right so I'm not saying you're wrong but I haven't seen anything to show you're right so I'll stick with the Equality Trust info. I keep in mind science is corrupted just now because of vested interests so it's difficult to know sometimes what legit research or if the scientist has been paid off to lie about research. I never believe anyone when they say something about the future is impossible or will 'never' happen. We have no idea what the future will be. We don't even fully understand reality so to say something is impossible or will never happen is bad science. I haven't that Evolutionary Psychology book so can't comment on that but I can we are very close to taking control of our own evolution with technology. We don't know what psychology we'll have in the future when we're integrated with technology (nano-bots, cybernation, A.I. etc..). The future is unknown still. Well the spirit level contains just about every analytical error one could make, of course this happens naturally when your setting out to 'prove' something that isn't true but their mistakes include: - comparing countries without adjusting for obvious differences like population - not accounting for differences in where a countries wealth comes from - not adjusting for cultural differences in surveying methods and responses - generally confusing correlation with causation - survivorship bias in their samples If you read the evolutionary psychology book you'd realise that the 'we' don't have the neorological programming to achieve what you are suggesting, now or in the future. You can use pizza ingredients to make all sort of pizzas but you can't make a plane from them. In the same way, the paths our evolution could take are inherently limited. Unless you want to try brainwashing people and creating a "master race"? I still don't know if that's true but there's too much emphasis on competition and not so much on co-operation. Sport is thought of as competitive but it takes co-operation to make a good football team for example. The team members need to co-operate and co-ordinate well to compete well against the other team who are all trying to co-operate too. We tend to not realize how much co-operation is actually used. Sorry but I don't go along with the 'master race' stuff. That's you basically saying if I don't agree with you then I'm a Nazi. It's manipulative and a loaded statement/question. I don't believe in 'master races' but I do believe technology will influence our evolutionary path. I'm very skeptical when someone says something isn't possible. Like I said, it's bad science" Chill Winston!!! I wasn't saying you were advocating being a Nazi, I was saying that unless you are then your idea isn't biologically possible (which is science) because of the evidence in the aforementioned book. Ergo: since you are not advocating that then your idea isn't possible. | |||
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"Who let David Icke join Fab...... OMG it's all going a bit turquoise shell suits....
Another manipulative label. If I keep saying what I'm saying then I must believe in reptilian overlords. I don't.
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"This thread is like a muscle man flexing his bicep to prove his masculinity but in an intellectual way. An ego thread they call it I think. I am not too sure this forum is the most appropriate; not because of the content, just I wonder how many fab members give a fuck. I will stand and be chastised if I am wrong. " I'd give the OP the benefit of the doubt on this one, this is a better example of the phenomenon (half way through): https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/460367#last | |||
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" Chill Winston!!! I wasn't saying you were advocating being a Nazi, I was saying that unless you are then your idea isn't biologically possible (which is science) because of the evidence in the aforementioned book. Ergo: since you are not advocating that then your idea isn't possible. " That's what I was saying about technology. I haven't read the book but I'm very skeptical about that. Like I said though our future evolution is technological not biological. Whatever problems this person points our, we don't know yet how technology will affect that. Cybernation in our bodies, nano-bots etc... | |||
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" Trust me I get it! But I as I say, you've designed a plane and you've got pizza ingredients." I don't think you do get it. | |||
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"This thread is like a muscle man flexing his bicep to prove his masculinity but in an intellectual way. An ego thread they call it I think. I am not too sure this forum is the most appropriate; not because of the content, just I wonder how many fab members give a fuck. I will stand and be chastised if I am wrong. " This has nothing to do with ego. I more than being wrong because then I learn something. But I don't think this stuff is wrong. If people didn't give a fuck then no-one would have responded on the thread. There are plenty of non-sex based threads on this forum. | |||
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" Trust me I get it! But I as I say, you've designed a plane and you've got pizza ingredients. I don't think you do get it. " I think you've been watching a bit too much terminator with your last comment. I have nothing new to add. | |||
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" Like I said though our future evolution is technological not biological. Whatever problems this person points our, we don't know yet how technology will affect that. Cybernation in our bodies, nano-bots etc... " Cyberdyne systems and Skynet.... Beware folks it's coming | |||
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"I think it would be better if we evolved past the idea of having separate nations and live closer to reality. Nations aren't real in the physical sense. If you flew up to space and looked back at Earth you wouldn't see the lines on the map dividing us. I think a more advanced culture would involve doing away with nations altogether and people can move freely around the Earth. That solves the immigration problem for a start. Having nations divides us and does it benefit us really? What is the benefit of having nations to us? I don't mean the benefit of living in Britain. I mean nations in general. It can benefit those at the top, the rich, as it divides us and money can be made in trade between nations. But does it really benefit people like you and me? I'd like to see a united Earth (in touch with reality) with no Government (Science instead...not politics). Incase anyone's wondering I'm not left wing (or right wing). I support Science over politics and money for operating society. (See Venus Project thread) Any thoughts? " I like the way you think! Totally get you... People will scoff. Poor sheeple  | |||
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" Trust me I get it! But I as I say, you've designed a plane and you've got pizza ingredients. I don't think you do get it. I think you've been watching a bit too much terminator with your last comment. I have nothing new to add. " Terminator? No, I like to follow what's going on in the real world and science. You just proved me right with that comment. Believe me, we will merge our bodies with technology. This book you're talking about seems to be focusing on biology and ignoring the technological aspect. | |||
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" Like I said though our future evolution is technological not biological. Whatever problems this person points our, we don't know yet how technology will affect that. Cybernation in our bodies, nano-bots etc... Cyberdyne systems and Skynet.... Beware folks it's coming "I think you and that other person are the ones watching to much terminator ; ) | |||
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" Like I said though our future evolution is technological not biological. Whatever problems this person points our, we don't know yet how technology will affect that. Cybernation in our bodies, nano-bots etc... Cyberdyne systems and Skynet.... Beware folks it's coming ". Skynet came in 10 years ago im afraid to tell you! | |||
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" I like the way you think! Totally get you... People will scoff. Poor sheeple "Thank you ; ) Yes unfortunately there will be some people who just don't get it and mis-interpret what's being said. They watch too much t.v maybe.. | |||
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" I like the way you think! Totally get you... People will scoff. Poor sheeple
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" Trust me I get it! But I as I say, you've designed a plane and you've got pizza ingredients. I don't think you do get it. I think you've been watching a bit too much terminator with your last comment. I have nothing new to add. Terminator? No, I like to follow what's going on in the real world and science. " Oh right so what have you read on evolutionary psychology then? | |||
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" Like I said though our future evolution is technological not biological. Whatever problems this person points our, we don't know yet how technology will affect that. Cybernation in our bodies, nano-bots etc... Cyberdyne systems and Skynet.... Beware folks it's coming .
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" Trust me I get it! But I as I say, you've designed a plane and you've got pizza ingredients. I don't think you do get it. I think you've been watching a bit too much terminator with your last comment. I have nothing new to add. Terminator? No, I like to follow what's going on in the real world and science. Oh right so what have you read on evolutionary psychology then? " . Are we still holding hands and hoping for the best!.. Count me out, thanks. I've seen utopia and its a fucking mess | |||
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" Trust me I get it! But I as I say, you've designed a plane and you've got pizza ingredients. I don't think you do get it. I think you've been watching a bit too much terminator with your last comment. I have nothing new to add. Terminator? No, I like to follow what's going on in the real world and science. Oh right so what have you read on evolutionary psychology then? " I don't know specifics of what I've read. I read a lot different stuff about different stuff. If you scroll back up I said you might be right. But not seeing the evidence you're right. That's all. If I read that book I might agree with you. I the author saying we can't co-operate on a big scale or what are they saying is the problem? | |||
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" Trust me I get it! But I as I say, you've designed a plane and you've got pizza ingredients. I don't think you do get it. I think you've been watching a bit too much terminator with your last comment. I have nothing new to add. Terminator? No, I like to follow what's going on in the real world and science. Oh right so what have you read on evolutionary psychology then? . Are we still holding hands and hoping for the best!.. Count me out, thanks. I've seen utopia and its a fucking mess" Don't worry I'm not talking about Utopia. The system I'm talking about isn't designed to be static. I would be designed to anticipate change and adapt. The people who founded the venus project as an organisation don't think Utopia is possible. So they designed a system that they think is possible instead. | |||
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" Trust me I get it! But I as I say, you've designed a plane and you've got pizza ingredients. I don't think you do get it. I think you've been watching a bit too much terminator with your last comment. I have nothing new to add. Terminator? No, I like to follow what's going on in the real world and science. Oh right so what have you read on evolutionary psychology then? I don't know specifics of what I've read. I read a lot different stuff about different stuff. If you scroll back up I said you might be right. But not seeing the evidence you're right. That's all. If I read that book I might agree with you. I the author saying we can't co-operate on a big scale or what are they saying is the problem?" That humans are naturally inclined towards living in groups of a couple of hundred and by forcing larger groups (i.e. cities) leads to social ills originating from diminished participation and responsibility for the well being of a group. In other words, a lot of theft, sexual violence and anti-social behaviour happens in cities and wouldn't otherwise happen if those same people lived in small groups. Nations grew out of cities and if you are advocating something bigger than a nation then there will be a lot of unintended consequences in the way people act. The conclusion is that people will be more morally responsible if they live in small groups where they grew up (i.e. by having and not crossing borders). But you have to weight that against the technological progress that cities make. | |||
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" That humans are naturally inclined towards living in groups of a couple of hundred and by forcing larger groups (i.e. cities) leads to social ills originating from diminished participation and responsibility for the well being of a group. In other words, a lot of theft, sexual violence and anti-social behaviour happens in cities and wouldn't otherwise happen if those same people lived in small groups. Nations grew out of cities and if you are advocating something bigger than a nation then there will be a lot of unintended consequences in the way people act. The conclusion is that people will be more morally responsible if they live in small groups where they grew up (i.e. by having and not crossing borders). But you have to weight that against the technological progress that cities make. " Ok, well I'm not going to say you're wrong because I don't know so that would be ignorant. I don't believe big cities are the reason for crime though. It sounds like he's thinking inside the box. Hardly anyone considers the impact of living in a barter system on our behavior. Living in a system that limits our access to so many things will have a huge impact on the way different people behave wither at the bottom or top of the social ladder. Lets say that guy IS right though and it's proved beyond doubt. As I said to the other guy TVP isn't designed to be static. It's designed to adapt and change as time goes on and new discoveries are made so they would look at that and adapt. I don't find people to always be morally responsible in small groups/communities though. I was brought up on a small Island and my brother has problems (like ADHD) and they basically bullied him until he couldn't handle it and left at 13 to put himself in a childrens care home. There's a lot more factors that shape our behavior than just community size.. | |||
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" That humans are naturally inclined towards living in groups of a couple of hundred and by forcing larger groups (i.e. cities) leads to social ills originating from diminished participation and responsibility for the well being of a group. In other words, a lot of theft, sexual violence and anti-social behaviour happens in cities and wouldn't otherwise happen if those same people lived in small groups. Nations grew out of cities and if you are advocating something bigger than a nation then there will be a lot of unintended consequences in the way people act. The conclusion is that people will be more morally responsible if they live in small groups where they grew up (i.e. by having and not crossing borders). But you have to weight that against the technological progress that cities make. Ok, well I'm not going to say you're wrong because I don't know so that would be ignorant. I don't believe big cities are the reason for crime though. It sounds like he's thinking inside the box. Hardly anyone considers the impact of living in a barter system on our behavior. Living in a system that limits our access to so many things will have a huge impact on the way different people behave wither at the bottom or top of the social ladder. Lets say that guy IS right though and it's proved beyond doubt. As I said to the other guy TVP isn't designed to be static. It's designed to adapt and change as time goes on and new discoveries are made so they would look at that and adapt. I don't find people to always be morally responsible in small groups/communities though. I was brought up on a small Island and my brother has problems (like ADHD) and they basically bullied him until he couldn't handle it and left at 13 to put himself in a childrens care home. There's a lot more factors that shape our behavior than just community size.. " But we aren't talking about individual cases here, which will always vary from the mean. We're talking about hardwired trends and what he is saying is that we ain't wired to all get along! | |||
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" But we aren't talking about individual cases here, which will always vary from the mean. We're talking about hardwired trends and what he is saying is that we ain't wired to all get along!" I can think of other examples of small communities that don't always get along because there were other islands in that area and villages and not everyone was friends. I think the author is only thinking in terms of barter system cities where people have limited access to things and have to work to get that limited access or turn to crime or live off benefits. In a TVP city everyone has equal access to what they need for free and don't have to work for it. From birth they would be brought up in a very different environment wither it's a city of 200,000 or 2 million and I think that would dramatically affect how we get along with each other. Maybe TVP are wrong but they want to build a test city to test some of it out and make changes if need be so hopefully it'll be put to the test at some point | |||
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" But we aren't talking about individual cases here, which will always vary from the mean. We're talking about hardwired trends and what he is saying is that we ain't wired to all get along! I can think of other examples of small communities that don't always get along because there were other islands in that area and villages and not everyone was friends. I think the author is only thinking in terms of barter system cities where people have limited access to things and have to work to get that limited access or turn to crime or live off benefits. In a TVP city everyone has equal access to what they need for free and don't have to work for it. From birth they would be brought up in a very different environment wither it's a city of 200,000 or 2 million and I think that would dramatically affect how we get along with each other. Maybe TVP are wrong but they want to build a test city to test some of it out and make changes if need be so hopefully it'll be put to the test at some point" Again, variances from the mean are accounted for and no the author is not just talking about barter societies. Ok well you go off to your utopia test city but I'm alright with my capitalist democracy for now. I've read about all the people the emigrated to a paradise in the Spanish civil war (e.g George Orwell) and those that repeat the same mistake to join the Soviet Union, even the Japanese that emigrated to North Korea, yeah that worked out well for them. By all means have your test city but do it outside the UK please. | |||
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" But we aren't talking about individual cases here, which will always vary from the mean. We're talking about hardwired trends and what he is saying is that we ain't wired to all get along! I can think of other examples of small communities that don't always get along because there were other islands in that area and villages and not everyone was friends. I think the author is only thinking in terms of barter system cities where people have limited access to things and have to work to get that limited access or turn to crime or live off benefits. In a TVP city everyone has equal access to what they need for free and don't have to work for it. From birth they would be brought up in a very different environment wither it's a city of 200,000 or 2 million and I think that would dramatically affect how we get along with each other. Maybe TVP are wrong but they want to build a test city to test some of it out and make changes if need be so hopefully it'll be put to the test at some point Again, variances from the mean are accounted for and no the author is not just talking about barter societies. Ok well you go off to your utopia test city but I'm alright with my capitalist democracy for now. I've read about all the people the emigrated to a paradise in the Spanish civil war (e.g George Orwell) and those that repeat the same mistake to join the Soviet Union, even the Japanese that emigrated to North Korea, yeah that worked out well for them. By all means have your test city but do it outside the UK please. " My test city? Anyway I think we're talking about different things now. You're still talking about Utopias and Soviet Unions etc. I'm taking about the venus project and a resource based economy. I'm not ok with a system that limits peoples access to what they need when we have the tech to provide those things. | |||
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" I'm not ok with a system that limits peoples access to what they need when we have the tech to provide those things." I am. It's the worst system except all the other ones we've tried. I'm tired of trying other ones, you're not. I don't have a problem with that but I've told you why I don't think it'll work. | |||
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" But we aren't talking about individual cases here, which will always vary from the mean. We're talking about hardwired trends and what he is saying is that we ain't wired to all get along! I can think of other examples of small communities that don't always get along because there were other islands in that area and villages and not everyone was friends. I think the author is only thinking in terms of barter system cities where people have limited access to things and have to work to get that limited access or turn to crime or live off benefits. In a TVP city everyone has equal access to what they need for free and don't have to work for it. From birth they would be brought up in a very different environment wither it's a city of 200,000 or 2 million and I think that would dramatically affect how we get along with each other. Maybe TVP are wrong but they want to build a test city to test some of it out and make changes if need be so hopefully it'll be put to the test at some point Again, variances from the mean are accounted for and no the author is not just talking about barter societies. Ok well you go off to your utopia test city but I'm alright with my capitalist democracy for now. I've read about all the people the emigrated to a paradise in the Spanish civil war (e.g George Orwell) and those that repeat the same mistake to join the Soviet Union, even the Japanese that emigrated to North Korea, yeah that worked out well for them. By all means have your test city but do it outside the UK please. My test city? Anyway I think we're talking about different things now. You're still talking about Utopias and Soviet Unions etc. I'm taking about the venus project and a resource based economy. I'm not ok with a system that limits peoples access to what they need when we have the tech to provide those things." . I have a few questions. What happens with the people who have to work and the people who aren't having to!. I take it they won't mechanise everything in one go?.. So the interim period somebody's going to work while the other just gets everything provided, where's the data that says people will somehow just be better people from not having to do anything because everything's provided for them! Resource based instead of money, will the people that have the most resources just be the same as the people that have the most money?. Well this resource based economy still produce speedboats, yachts, hookers and drugs. And finally in uniting the world into one harmonious people... Who the fuck is going to shoot isis fuckwits | |||
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"Communism essentially? Op you know what happened last time someone suggested that
NO that's manipulative. Label it as communism then criticize communism. I'm not talking about communism.
That's like me starting a thread about boats and someone saying I'm talking about cars just because they're both forms of transport.
There are similarities but I'm talking about something else.
I've read the communist manifesto so I know it's different from the venus project and resource based economy which is what I'm talking about. "well i hadnt read anything about a venus project before i commented...clearly my fuck up. I didnt critisise communism at all im a dreamer i wouls of liked to see it myself | |||
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" I have a few questions. What happens with the people who have to work and the people who aren't having to!. I take it they won't mechanise everything in one go?.. So the interim period somebody's going to work while the other just gets everything provided, where's the data that says people will somehow just be better people from not having to do anything because everything's provided for them! Resource based instead of money, will the people that have the most resources just be the same as the people that have the most money?. Well this resource based economy still produce speedboats, yachts, hookers and drugs. And finally in uniting the world into one harmonious people... Who the fuck is going to shoot isis fuckwits "During the transition then I would think it would either be volunteers doing that work (I'd do and lots of others who support it would be more than willing to do that) or pay people to do it. The part where everything becomes free isn't the first stage. The infrastructure needs to be there at some level first really. When it comes to who has the resources it's not the same as today. Basically things are distributed depending on demand and what resources are available so things will be made to demand as much as possible to reduce waste. It's not that an elite group control things because there wouldn't be an elite group. Yes you could have a speedboat if the materials are there to make one. Although you wouldn't own it. You would have access rights because you wouldn't need the speedboat 24/7 so it's sort of like a library. You go for a ride on the speedboat then when you're away doing other stuff others can use the boat. Access rights instead of property rights. There won't be hookers because when people have access to what they need for free then they don't need to do things like that for money to get access. People might use drugs or they might not. That'll be up to the people at the time. As for ISIS type people, they would only exist in the transition (now basically). IF TVP happens then I don't groups like that would arise. The environmental influences or conditions which drive people to crazy groups like them wouldn't be there socially so a lot less chance of those groups happening. I'd reccomend the documentaries Zeitgeist Addendum or Zeitgeist Moving Forward which talk a bit about it. Or just type The Venus Project into YouTube and see what comes up | |||
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"Communism essentially? Op you know what happened last time someone suggested that
NO that's manipulative. Label it as communism then criticize communism. I'm not talking about communism.
That's like me starting a thread about boats and someone saying I'm talking about cars just because they're both forms of transport.
There are similarities but I'm talking about something else.
I've read the communist manifesto so I know it's different from the venus project and resource based economy which is what I'm talking about. well i hadnt read anything about a venus project before i commented...clearly my fuck up.
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"Is there any reason we can't have a global capitalist democracy? The United States and the European Union have proven to be pretty decent " Yes quite a few reasons, have you noticed that the number of independent countries has increased dramatically since 1945? Why do you think that is? | |||
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" I have a few questions. What happens with the people who have to work and the people who aren't having to!. I take it they won't mechanise everything in one go?.. So the interim period somebody's going to work while the other just gets everything provided, where's the data that says people will somehow just be better people from not having to do anything because everything's provided for them! Resource based instead of money, will the people that have the most resources just be the same as the people that have the most money?. Well this resource based economy still produce speedboats, yachts, hookers and drugs. And finally in uniting the world into one harmonious people... Who the fuck is going to shoot isis fuckwits
During the transition then I would think it would either be volunteers doing that work (I'd do and lots of others who support it would be more than willing to do that) or pay people to do it. The part where everything becomes free isn't the first stage. The infrastructure needs to be there at some level first really.
When it comes to who has the resources it's not the same as today. Basically things are distributed depending on demand and what resources are available so things will be made to demand as much as possible to reduce waste. It's not that an elite group control things because there wouldn't be an elite group.
Yes you could have a speedboat if the materials are there to make one. Although you wouldn't own it. You would have access rights because you wouldn't need the speedboat 24/7 so it's sort of like a library. You go for a ride on the speedboat then when you're away doing other stuff others can use the boat. Access rights instead of property rights.
There won't be hookers because when people have access to what they need for free then they don't need to do things like that for money to get access. People might use drugs or they might not. That'll be up to the people at the time.
As for ISIS type people, they would only exist in the transition (now basically). IF TVP happens then I don't groups like that would arise. The environmental influences or conditions which drive people to crazy groups like them wouldn't be there socially so a lot less chance of those groups happening.
I'd reccomend the documentaries Zeitgeist Addendum or Zeitgeist Moving Forward which talk a bit about it. Or just type The Venus Project into YouTube and see what comes up
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"Amazing dream I guess ....not in reality, we need stability and law, science cannot even agree on the true genetic code so how can it possibly control the tribal tendency of mankind. Whereas we may hate politicians for the slime balls they actually are, they provide a base for our security and a voice for our 'tribe' no different from tribal elders, and without that guidance you would see a world of total chaos.... " Without politicians guidance we would see a world of chaos? We already have a world of chaos. War, terrorism, violence...ring any bells?? I don't think tribalism is a permanent condition. It's the result of our environment. Competing for resources wither out in the wild hunting for animals or the more modern version of competing for jobs for money to get food and other stuff. Take away the cause of that type of tribalism then you don't get tribalism. | |||
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" If there aren't any hookers then how does an unattractive guy with a bad personality get a shag?" People would be brought up and living in a much healthier social and natural environment so I don't think there would be many bad personalities. As for looks, that's a matter of preference. You might describe someone as unattractive but someone else might be attracted to them. | |||
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" If there aren't any hookers then how does an unattractive guy with a bad personality get a shag? People would be brought up and living in a much healthier social and natural environment so I don't think there would be many bad personalities. As for looks, that's a matter of preference. You might describe someone as unattractive but someone else might be attracted to them. " I'm not sure 'natural' is a word I'd use for a state of affairs that has never existed in human history, unless you take genesis literally and even that was short lived. I think people would need some powerful brainwashing to rid themselves of the habits of this world before they could adjust to this new one... | |||
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" I'm not sure 'natural' is a word I'd use for a state of affairs that has never existed in human history, unless you take genesis literally and even that was short lived. I think people would need some powerful brainwashing to rid themselves of the habits of this world before they could adjust to this new one... " I mean natural as in literally nature. People don't need powerful brainwashing, just powerful education of what's actually possible. It takes powerful brainwashing for someone to want a system that limits their access to what they need to continue. | |||
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"I think it would be better if we evolved past the idea of having separate nations and live closer to reality. Nations aren't real in the physical sense. If you flew up to space and looked back at Earth you wouldn't see the lines on the map dividing us. I think a more advanced culture would involve doing away with nations altogether and people can move freely around the Earth. That solves the immigration problem for a start. Having nations divides us and does it benefit us really? What is the benefit of having nations to us? I don't mean the benefit of living in Britain. I mean nations in general. It can benefit those at the top, the rich, as it divides us and money can be made in trade between nations. But does it really benefit people like you and me? I'd like to see a united Earth (in touch with reality) with no Government (Science instead...not politics). Any thoughts? " A large institution will have many departments within it for better management of resources, personnel etc. It's very difficult to put everybody/every resources under 1 management team - hence the various departments. That's how I see the world and the various nations/countries within it. How efficent the head of the various departments is a separate issue. | |||
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"I think it would be better if we evolved past the idea of having separate nations and live closer to reality. Nations aren't real in the physical sense. If you flew up to space and looked back at Earth you wouldn't see the lines on the map dividing us. I think a more advanced culture would involve doing away with nations altogether and people can move freely around the Earth. That solves the immigration problem for a start. Having nations divides us and does it benefit us really? What is the benefit of having nations to us? I don't mean the benefit of living in Britain. I mean nations in general. It can benefit those at the top, the rich, as it divides us and money can be made in trade between nations. But does it really benefit people like you and me? I'd like to see a united Earth (in touch with reality) with no Government (Science instead...not politics). Any thoughts? A large institution will have many departments within it for better management of resources, personnel etc. It's very difficult to put everybody/every resources under 1 management team - hence the various departments. That's how I see the world and the various nations/countries within it. How efficent the head of the various departments is a separate issue. "Yep take the uk. To break it down we have 3 countries 109 counties 400+ councils But you want to run the world with one government | |||
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" Yep take the uk. To break it down we have 3 countries 109 counties 400+ councils But you want to run the world with one government " No I don't. I specifically said there wouldn't be a government. No politics. | |||
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" Trust me I get it! But I as I say, you've designed a plane and you've got pizza ingredients. I don't think you do get it. I think you've been watching a bit too much terminator with your last comment. I have nothing new to add. Terminator? No, I like to follow what's going on in the real world and science. You just proved me right with that comment. Believe me, we will merge our bodies with technology. This book you're talking about seems to be focusing on biology and ignoring the technological aspect. " if rthey can make a blind person see, with an implant...it will not end there. I see a future where people actually have voices in their heads...be it a chip like a mobile phone. if people wish to believe technology moves at some kind of human paced evolution, they better just give up thinking the next 50 years will be unremarkable...it might be dominated by hype and marketing... but automation is our key to progression..it will not fit into something sociologically acceptable...as we base a lot on older models..the tech revolution will adapt faster than any psychologist can put a new label onto. not one person here who is over 30 can safely say they trhink theyd have the tech they have in their hands right now from their younger days...if it all sounds like sci-fi, well fuck you when ur iphone 20 projects u into some holographic room..and you can sit back and say.."yup i was an idiot..but i still bought the product, and I can barely live without it" | |||
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" A large institution will have many departments within it for better management of resources, personnel etc. It's very difficult to put everybody/every resources under 1 management team - hence the various departments. That's how I see the world and the various nations/countries within it. How efficent the head of the various departments is a separate issue. "Better management of resources? But we're not managing resources well at all. It's less about one team of people and more about a global cybernated system of monitoring resources in real time and distributing them where needed. Just we don't do that or there would be no poverty and dramatically less crime | |||
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"I think it would be better if we evolved past the idea of having separate nations and live closer to reality. Nations aren't real in the physical sense. If you flew up to space and looked back at Earth you wouldn't see the lines on the map dividing us. I think a more advanced culture would involve doing away with nations altogether and people can move freely around the Earth. That solves the immigration problem for a start. Having nations divides us and does it benefit us really? What is the benefit of having nations to us? I don't mean the benefit of living in Britain. I mean nations in general. It can benefit those at the top, the rich, as it divides us and money can be made in trade between nations. But does it really benefit people like you and me? I'd like to see a united Earth (in touch with reality) with no Government (Science instead...not politics). Incase anyone's wondering I'm not left wing (or right wing). I support Science over politics and money for operating society. (See Venus Project thread) Any thoughts? " agree my friend. big advocate of a venus project type society. Cant see it in my life time as people are too selfish, but hopefully one day. | |||
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"It will happen when we no longer feel the need to put our family first. Which means, it won't happen as a nation is just one big family" Sounds like the basic premise of heaven... | |||
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"It will happen when we no longer feel the need to put our family first. Which means, it won't happen as a nation is just one big family Sounds like the basic premise of heaven... " So, it will happen after we all die and go to heaven | |||
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"It will happen when we no longer feel the need to put our family first. Which means, it won't happen as a nation is just one big family Sounds like the basic premise of heaven... So, it will happen after we all die and go to heaven "I think heaven is more exclusive than "all" being allowed in. Maybe those who can't get into heaven can be sent to this Venus Project? | |||
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" I have a few questions. What happens with the people who have to work and the people who aren't having to!. I take it they won't mechanise everything in one go?.. So the interim period somebody's going to work while the other just gets everything provided, where's the data that says people will somehow just be better people from not having to do anything because everything's provided for them! Resource based instead of money, will the people that have the most resources just be the same as the people that have the most money?. Well this resource based economy still produce speedboats, yachts, hookers and drugs. And finally in uniting the world into one harmonious people... Who the fuck is going to shoot isis fuckwits
During the transition then I would think it would either be volunteers doing that work (I'd do and lots of others who support it would be more than willing to do that) or pay people to do it. The part where everything becomes free isn't the first stage. The infrastructure needs to be there at some level first really.
When it comes to who has the resources it's not the same as today. Basically things are distributed depending on demand and what resources are available so things will be made to demand as much as possible to reduce waste. It's not that an elite group control things because there wouldn't be an elite group.
Yes you could have a speedboat if the materials are there to make one. Although you wouldn't own it. You would have access rights because you wouldn't need the speedboat 24/7 so it's sort of like a library. You go for a ride on the speedboat then when you're away doing other stuff others can use the boat. Access rights instead of property rights.
There won't be hookers because when people have access to what they need for free then they don't need to do things like that for money to get access. People might use drugs or they might not. That'll be up to the people at the time.
As for ISIS type people, they would only exist in the transition (now basically). IF TVP happens then I don't groups like that would arise. The environmental influences or conditions which drive people to crazy groups like them wouldn't be there socially so a lot less chance of those groups happening.
I'd reccomend the documentaries Zeitgeist Addendum or Zeitgeist Moving Forward which talk a bit about it. Or just type The Venus Project into YouTube and see what comes up
". Have you any idea how the sewer system works?. There's pipes that get broke, you have to dig them up to replace them, occasionally you have crawl down them to break free hard deposits of fat, the shit then goes down to huge 1000 ft holding tanks that need to be cleaned down on a weekly basis, the guys that do this are literally like Andy duframe from Shawshank redemption, crawling through pipes of shit but instead of freedom their given money!. Then you've got the fact that 2.5 billon people in the world hold very religious views, they might not want to swap to your doctrine? Good luck getting your volunteers mate, I do actually wish you well with it, I just think it won't work! | |||
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" I'm not sure 'natural' is a word I'd use for a state of affairs that has never existed in human history, unless you take genesis literally and even that was short lived. I think people would need some powerful brainwashing to rid themselves of the habits of this world before they could adjust to this new one... I mean natural as in literally nature. People don't need powerful brainwashing, just powerful education of what's actually possible. It takes powerful brainwashing for someone to want a system that limits their access to what they need to continue." No just a quick reading of history and the last few times someone suggested a great alternative. Chances are that you'll end up starving or in a concentration camp. It never sets out that way though. Anyway, for someone who considers themselves scientific you have a heck of a lot of assumptions lacking evidence. - you assume tribalism is caused by competition for resources - you assume education can reverse thousands of years of neurological programming - you assume a lot about technological progress too Anyway, I'll do you a deal - I'll pay for your travel to the test city on the condition you surrender your British passport on the way out. | |||
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"It will happen when we no longer feel the need to put our family first. Which means, it won't happen as a nation is just one big family Sounds like the basic premise of heaven... So, it will happen after we all die and go to heaven
I think heaven is more exclusive than "all" being allowed in. Maybe those who can't get into heaven can be sent to this Venus Project? "Euk the heaven concept sounds nasty and elitist.? Not sure I'd like the sort of people who would aspire to go there either I aspire towards a global community, not a division driven tribal one but I don't think human genetics will permit such a vision unless,until ? Other extraterrestrial beings either attack or try to integrate with us | |||
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"It will happen when we no longer feel the need to put our family first. Which means, it won't happen as a nation is just one big family Sounds like the basic premise of heaven... So, it will happen after we all die and go to heaven
I think heaven is more exclusive than "all" being allowed in. Maybe those who can't get into heaven can be sent to this Venus Project?
Euk the heaven concept sounds nasty and elitist?
"Lol! The whole new testament bangs on about how heaven is for the poor, downtrodden and meager, and how rich people are gonna have a hard time getting in and you call it elitist! Honestly that could be a good stand up comedy line. | |||
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" A large institution will have many departments within it for better management of resources, personnel etc. It's very difficult to put everybody/every resources under 1 management team - hence the various departments. That's how I see the world and the various nations/countries within it. How efficent the head of the various departments is a separate issue.
Better management of resources? But we're not managing resources well at all.
It's less about one team of people and more about a global cybernated system of monitoring resources in real time and distributing them where needed.
Just we don't do that or there would be no poverty and dramatically less crime"My friend , I have to say , I admire your hope that sense and knowledge can overcome genetics , I had this hope as a smiley fresh faced 13 year old, but sadly communism has always failed and I think always will | |||
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" A large institution will have many departments within it for better management of resources, personnel etc. It's very difficult to put everybody/every resources under 1 management team - hence the various departments. That's how I see the world and the various nations/countries within it. How efficent the head of the various departments is a separate issue.
Better management of resources? But we're not managing resources well at all.
It's less about one team of people and more about a global cybernated system of monitoring resources in real time and distributing them where needed.
Just we don't do that or there would be no poverty and dramatically less crime
My friend , I have to say , I admire your hope that sense and knowledge can overcome genetics , I had this hope as a smiley fresh faced 13 year old, but sadly communism has always failed and I think always will
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"It will happen when we no longer feel the need to put our family first. Which means, it won't happen as a nation is just one big family Sounds like the basic premise of heaven... So, it will happen after we all die and go to heaven
I think heaven is more exclusive than "all" being allowed in. Maybe those who can't get into heaven can be sent to this Venus Project?
Euk the heaven concept sounds nasty and elitist?
Lol! The whole new testament bangs on about how heaven is for the poor, downtrodden and meager, and how rich people are gonna have a hard time getting in and you call it elitist! Honestly that could be a good stand up comedy line. "Poor, downtrodden and meagre . That's the only criteria ? Elitism is Not about money it is about thinking you are better, or more worthy than another , the goal can be anything And I'm completely aware of the pious modesty (I'm not worthy) but that's rhetoric It's believed to be a special place where special people who meet special criteria are allowed and some people aspire to get to such an elite continuation of their days despite most other humans being rejected xx | |||
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"It will happen when we no longer feel the need to put our family first. Which means, it won't happen as a nation is just one big family Sounds like the basic premise of heaven... So, it will happen after we all die and go to heaven
I think heaven is more exclusive than "all" being allowed in. Maybe those who can't get into heaven can be sent to this Venus Project?
Euk the heaven concept sounds nasty and elitist?
Lol! The whole new testament bangs on about how heaven is for the poor, downtrodden and meager, and how rich people are gonna have a hard time getting in and you call it elitist! Honestly that could be a good stand up comedy line.
Poor, downtrodden and meagre . That's the only criteria ?
Elitism is Not about money it is about thinking you are better, or more worthy than another , the goal can be anything
And I'm completely aware of the pious modesty (I'm not worthy) but that's rhetoric
It's believed to be a special place where special people who meet special criteria are allowed and some people aspire to get to such an elite continuation of their days despite most other humans being rejected xx"I'm not going to turn this into a surmon but you're so far off the mark it's hilarious. The pharisees (who were elitist) hated Jesus for the precise reason that he wasn't in the least bit elitist. We can agree to disagree now. I just found it funny because it such a perverse use of the word, I never thought I'd see heaven and elitist in the same sentence. But it genuinely makes good sureal comedy. | |||
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"It will happen when we no longer feel the need to put our family first. Which means, it won't happen as a nation is just one big family Sounds like the basic premise of heaven... So, it will happen after we all die and go to heaven
I think heaven is more exclusive than "all" being allowed in. Maybe those who can't get into heaven can be sent to this Venus Project?
Euk the heaven concept sounds nasty and elitist?
Lol! The whole new testament bangs on about how heaven is for the poor, downtrodden and meager, and how rich people are gonna have a hard time getting in and you call it elitist! Honestly that could be a good stand up comedy line.
Poor, downtrodden and meagre . That's the only criteria ?
Elitism is Not about money it is about thinking you are better, or more worthy than another , the goal can be anything
And I'm completely aware of the pious modesty (I'm not worthy) but that's rhetoric
It's believed to be a special place where special people who meet special criteria are allowed and some people aspire to get to such an elite continuation of their days despite most other humans being rejected xx
I'm not going to turn this into a surmon but you're so far off the mark it's hilarious. The pharisees (who were elitist) hated Jesus for the precise reason that he wasn't in the least bit elitist.
We can agree to disagree now. I just found it funny because it such a perverse use of the word, I never thought I'd see heaven and elitist in the same sentence. But it genuinely makes good sureal comedy. "Not my fault you are not conversant with multiple uses for words or that you use the bible for your rigid interpretations elite e?'li?t,?-/Submit noun 1. a select group that is superior in terms of ability or qualities to the rest of a group or society. Simple really Thus those that may meet the stupid high standards claimed by the good book to obtain passage into the mythical heaven would correctly be termed elite , just as certain sports people with phenomenal abilities would be termed elite | |||
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"It will happen when we no longer feel the need to put our family first. Which means, it won't happen as a nation is just one big family Sounds like the basic premise of heaven... So, it will happen after we all die and go to heaven
I think heaven is more exclusive than "all" being allowed in. Maybe those who can't get into heaven can be sent to this Venus Project?
Euk the heaven concept sounds nasty and elitist?
Lol! The whole new testament bangs on about how heaven is for the poor, downtrodden and meager, and how rich people are gonna have a hard time getting in and you call it elitist! Honestly that could be a good stand up comedy line.
Poor, downtrodden and meagre . That's the only criteria ?
Elitism is Not about money it is about thinking you are better, or more worthy than another , the goal can be anything
And I'm completely aware of the pious modesty (I'm not worthy) but that's rhetoric
It's believed to be a special place where special people who meet special criteria are allowed and some people aspire to get to such an elite continuation of their days despite most other humans being rejected xx
I'm not going to turn this into a surmon but you're so far off the mark it's hilarious. The pharisees (who were elitist) hated Jesus for the precise reason that he wasn't in the least bit elitist.
We can agree to disagree now. I just found it funny because it such a perverse use of the word, I never thought I'd see heaven and elitist in the same sentence. But it genuinely makes good sureal comedy.
Not my fault you are not conversant with multiple uses for words or that you use the bible for your rigid interpretations
elite
e?'li?t,?-/Submit
noun
1.
a select group that is superior in terms of ability or qualities to the rest of a group or society.
Simple really
Thus those that may meet the stupid high standards claimed by the good book to obtain passage into the mythical heaven would correctly be termed elite , just as certain sports people with phenomenal abilities would be termed elite
"Uh-huh and what are these "superior abilities or qualities" one must possess for admission to heaven? Clearly you haven't read the subject matter your talking about otherwise you'd realise there aren't any. | |||
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"It will happen when we no longer feel the need to put our family first. Which means, it won't happen as a nation is just one big family Sounds like the basic premise of heaven... So, it will happen after we all die and go to heaven
I think heaven is more exclusive than "all" being allowed in. Maybe those who can't get into heaven can be sent to this Venus Project?
Euk the heaven concept sounds nasty and elitist?
Lol! The whole new testament bangs on about how heaven is for the poor, downtrodden and meager, and how rich people are gonna have a hard time getting in and you call it elitist! Honestly that could be a good stand up comedy line.
Poor, downtrodden and meagre . That's the only criteria ?
Elitism is Not about money it is about thinking you are better, or more worthy than another , the goal can be anything
And I'm completely aware of the pious modesty (I'm not worthy) but that's rhetoric
It's believed to be a special place where special people who meet special criteria are allowed and some people aspire to get to such an elite continuation of their days despite most other humans being rejected xx
I'm not going to turn this into a surmon but you're so far off the mark it's hilarious. The pharisees (who were elitist) hated Jesus for the precise reason that he wasn't in the least bit elitist.
We can agree to disagree now. I just found it funny because it such a perverse use of the word, I never thought I'd see heaven and elitist in the same sentence. But it genuinely makes good sureal comedy.
Not my fault you are not conversant with multiple uses for words or that you use the bible for your rigid interpretations
elite
e?'li?t,?-/Submit
noun
1.
a select group that is superior in terms of ability or qualities to the rest of a group or society.
Simple really
Thus those that may meet the stupid high standards claimed by the good book to obtain passage into the mythical heaven would correctly be termed elite , just as certain sports people with phenomenal abilities would be termed elite
Uh-huh and what are these "superior abilities or qualities" one must possess for admission to heaven? Clearly you haven't read the subject matter your talking about otherwise you'd realise there aren't any. "Then according to that We are all going to heaven xxx me included | |||
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"It will happen when we no longer feel the need to put our family first. Which means, it won't happen as a nation is just one big family Sounds like the basic premise of heaven... So, it will happen after we all die and go to heaven
I think heaven is more exclusive than "all" being allowed in. Maybe those who can't get into heaven can be sent to this Venus Project?
Euk the heaven concept sounds nasty and elitist?
Lol! The whole new testament bangs on about how heaven is for the poor, downtrodden and meager, and how rich people are gonna have a hard time getting in and you call it elitist! Honestly that could be a good stand up comedy line.
Poor, downtrodden and meagre . That's the only criteria ?
Elitism is Not about money it is about thinking you are better, or more worthy than another , the goal can be anything
And I'm completely aware of the pious modesty (I'm not worthy) but that's rhetoric
It's believed to be a special place where special people who meet special criteria are allowed and some people aspire to get to such an elite continuation of their days despite most other humans being rejected xx
I'm not going to turn this into a surmon but you're so far off the mark it's hilarious. The pharisees (who were elitist) hated Jesus for the precise reason that he wasn't in the least bit elitist.
We can agree to disagree now. I just found it funny because it such a perverse use of the word, I never thought I'd see heaven and elitist in the same sentence. But it genuinely makes good sureal comedy.
Not my fault you are not conversant with multiple uses for words or that you use the bible for your rigid interpretations
elite
e?'li?t,?-/Submit
noun
1.
a select group that is superior in terms of ability or qualities to the rest of a group or society.
Simple really
Thus those that may meet the stupid high standards claimed by the good book to obtain passage into the mythical heaven would correctly be termed elite , just as certain sports people with phenomenal abilities would be termed elite
Uh-huh and what are these "superior abilities or qualities" one must possess for admission to heaven? Clearly you haven't read the subject matter your talking about otherwise you'd realise there aren't any.
Then according to that
We are all going to heaven xxx me included "I have one superior ability which is an uncanny awesomeness at Age of Empires II but I'm not sure that will help my application | |||
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"It will happen when we no longer feel the need to put our family first. Which means, it won't happen as a nation is just one big family Sounds like the basic premise of heaven... So, it will happen after we all die and go to heaven
I think heaven is more exclusive than "all" being allowed in. Maybe those who can't get into heaven can be sent to this Venus Project?
Euk the heaven concept sounds nasty and elitist?
Lol! The whole new testament bangs on about how heaven is for the poor, downtrodden and meager, and how rich people are gonna have a hard time getting in and you call it elitist! Honestly that could be a good stand up comedy line.
Poor, downtrodden and meagre . That's the only criteria ?
Elitism is Not about money it is about thinking you are better, or more worthy than another , the goal can be anything
And I'm completely aware of the pious modesty (I'm not worthy) but that's rhetoric
It's believed to be a special place where special people who meet special criteria are allowed and some people aspire to get to such an elite continuation of their days despite most other humans being rejected xx
I'm not going to turn this into a surmon but you're so far off the mark it's hilarious. The pharisees (who were elitist) hated Jesus for the precise reason that he wasn't in the least bit elitist.
We can agree to disagree now. I just found it funny because it such a perverse use of the word, I never thought I'd see heaven and elitist in the same sentence. But it genuinely makes good sureal comedy.
Not my fault you are not conversant with multiple uses for words or that you use the bible for your rigid interpretations
elite
e?'li?t,?-/Submit
noun
1.
a select group that is superior in terms of ability or qualities to the rest of a group or society.
Simple really
Thus those that may meet the stupid high standards claimed by the good book to obtain passage into the mythical heaven would correctly be termed elite , just as certain sports people with phenomenal abilities would be termed elite
Uh-huh and what are these "superior abilities or qualities" one must possess for admission to heaven? Clearly you haven't read the subject matter your talking about otherwise you'd realise there aren't any.
Then according to that
We are all going to heaven xxx me included
I have one superior ability which is an uncanny awesomeness at Age of Empires II but I'm not sure that will help my application"Insects have 3 parts to their bodies , head abdomen and thorax But back on topic ? Application ? You suggested we are all going , no Application or any criteria needed thus nothing to help said application Could you make up your mind please xxx | |||
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"It will happen when we no longer feel the need to put our family first. Which means, it won't happen as a nation is just one big family Sounds like the basic premise of heaven... So, it will happen after we all die and go to heaven
I think heaven is more exclusive than "all" being allowed in. Maybe those who can't get into heaven can be sent to this Venus Project?
Euk the heaven concept sounds nasty and elitist?
Lol! The whole new testament bangs on about how heaven is for the poor, downtrodden and meager, and how rich people are gonna have a hard time getting in and you call it elitist! Honestly that could be a good stand up comedy line.
Poor, downtrodden and meagre . That's the only criteria ?
Elitism is Not about money it is about thinking you are better, or more worthy than another , the goal can be anything
And I'm completely aware of the pious modesty (I'm not worthy) but that's rhetoric
It's believed to be a special place where special people who meet special criteria are allowed and some people aspire to get to such an elite continuation of their days despite most other humans being rejected xx
I'm not going to turn this into a surmon but you're so far off the mark it's hilarious. The pharisees (who were elitist) hated Jesus for the precise reason that he wasn't in the least bit elitist.
We can agree to disagree now. I just found it funny because it such a perverse use of the word, I never thought I'd see heaven and elitist in the same sentence. But it genuinely makes good sureal comedy.
Not my fault you are not conversant with multiple uses for words or that you use the bible for your rigid interpretations
elite
e?'li?t,?-/Submit
noun
1.
a select group that is superior in terms of ability or qualities to the rest of a group or society.
Simple really
Thus those that may meet the stupid high standards claimed by the good book to obtain passage into the mythical heaven would correctly be termed elite , just as certain sports people with phenomenal abilities would be termed elite
Uh-huh and what are these "superior abilities or qualities" one must possess for admission to heaven? Clearly you haven't read the subject matter your talking about otherwise you'd realise there aren't any.
Then according to that
We are all going to heaven xxx me included
I have one superior ability which is an uncanny awesomeness at Age of Empires II but I'm not sure that will help my application
Insects have 3 parts to their bodies , head abdomen and thorax
But back on topic ?
Application ? You suggested we are all going , no Application or any criteria needed thus nothing to help said application
Could you make up your mind please xxx"No I just suggested the admission criteria was pretty easy and didn't require any elite skills, behaviours or attitudes. If you take the bible literally, and I'm not saying that isn't a big if, I'm just being clear about what it actually says; then it was quite practical to talk your way in whilst being nailed to a cross after having lived a pretty piss poor life of crime. That just isn't my interpretation of elitist. If you'll excuse me I must attend to my teutonic knights now. | |||
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"It will happen when we no longer feel the need to put our family first. Which means, it won't happen as a nation is just one big family Sounds like the basic premise of heaven... So, it will happen after we all die and go to heaven
I think heaven is more exclusive than "all" being allowed in. Maybe those who can't get into heaven can be sent to this Venus Project?
Euk the heaven concept sounds nasty and elitist?
Lol! The whole new testament bangs on about how heaven is for the poor, downtrodden and meager, and how rich people are gonna have a hard time getting in and you call it elitist! Honestly that could be a good stand up comedy line.
Poor, downtrodden and meagre . That's the only criteria ?
Elitism is Not about money it is about thinking you are better, or more worthy than another , the goal can be anything
And I'm completely aware of the pious modesty (I'm not worthy) but that's rhetoric
It's believed to be a special place where special people who meet special criteria are allowed and some people aspire to get to such an elite continuation of their days despite most other humans being rejected xx"Special people who meet special criteria. Sounds like FabS or a swingers club | |||
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"It will happen when we no longer feel the need to put our family first. Which means, it won't happen as a nation is just one big family Sounds like the basic premise of heaven... So, it will happen after we all die and go to heaven
I think heaven is more exclusive than "all" being allowed in. Maybe those who can't get into heaven can be sent to this Venus Project?
Euk the heaven concept sounds nasty and elitist?
Lol! The whole new testament bangs on about how heaven is for the poor, downtrodden and meager, and how rich people are gonna have a hard time getting in and you call it elitist! Honestly that could be a good stand up comedy line.
Poor, downtrodden and meagre . That's the only criteria ?
Elitism is Not about money it is about thinking you are better, or more worthy than another , the goal can be anything
And I'm completely aware of the pious modesty (I'm not worthy) but that's rhetoric
It's believed to be a special place where special people who meet special criteria are allowed and some people aspire to get to such an elite continuation of their days despite most other humans being rejected xx
I'm not going to turn this into a surmon but you're so far off the mark it's hilarious. The pharisees (who were elitist) hated Jesus for the precise reason that he wasn't in the least bit elitist.
We can agree to disagree now. I just found it funny because it such a perverse use of the word, I never thought I'd see heaven and elitist in the same sentence. But it genuinely makes good sureal comedy.
Not my fault you are not conversant with multiple uses for words or that you use the bible for your rigid interpretations
elite
e?'li?t,?-/Submit
noun
1.
a select group that is superior in terms of ability or qualities to the rest of a group or society.
Simple really
Thus those that may meet the stupid high standards claimed by the good book to obtain passage into the mythical heaven would correctly be termed elite , just as certain sports people with phenomenal abilities would be termed elite
Uh-huh and what are these "superior abilities or qualities" one must possess for admission to heaven? Clearly you haven't read the subject matter your talking about otherwise you'd realise there aren't any.
Then according to that
We are all going to heaven xxx me included "Yep, we are all heading there. Well all, except for you  | |||
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I think heaven is more exclusive than "all" being allowed in. Maybe those who can't get into heaven can be sent to this Venus Project? "Venus project? Is that what they call it now?  | |||
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"It will happen when we no longer feel the need to put our family first. Which means, it won't happen as a nation is just one big family Sounds like the basic premise of heaven... So, it will happen after we all die and go to heaven
I think heaven is more exclusive than "all" being allowed in. Maybe those who can't get into heaven can be sent to this Venus Project?
Euk the heaven concept sounds nasty and elitist?
Lol! The whole new testament bangs on about how heaven is for the poor, downtrodden and meager, and how rich people are gonna have a hard time getting in and you call it elitist! Honestly that could be a good stand up comedy line.
Poor, downtrodden and meagre . That's the only criteria ?
Elitism is Not about money it is about thinking you are better, or more worthy than another , the goal can be anything
And I'm completely aware of the pious modesty (I'm not worthy) but that's rhetoric
It's believed to be a special place where special people who meet special criteria are allowed and some people aspire to get to such an elite continuation of their days despite most other humans being rejected xx
I'm not going to turn this into a surmon but you're so far off the mark it's hilarious. The pharisees (who were elitist) hated Jesus for the precise reason that he wasn't in the least bit elitist.
We can agree to disagree now. I just found it funny because it such a perverse use of the word, I never thought I'd see heaven and elitist in the same sentence. But it genuinely makes good sureal comedy.
Not my fault you are not conversant with multiple uses for words or that you use the bible for your rigid interpretations
elite
e?'li?t,?-/Submit
noun
1.
a select group that is superior in terms of ability or qualities to the rest of a group or society.
Simple really
Thus those that may meet the stupid high standards claimed by the good book to obtain passage into the mythical heaven would correctly be termed elite , just as certain sports people with phenomenal abilities would be termed elite
Uh-huh and what are these "superior abilities or qualities" one must possess for admission to heaven? Clearly you haven't read the subject matter your talking about otherwise you'd realise there aren't any.
Then according to that
We are all going to heaven xxx me included
I have one superior ability which is an uncanny awesomeness at Age of Empires II but I'm not sure that will help my application
Insects have 3 parts to their bodies , head abdomen and thorax
But back on topic ?
Application ? You suggested we are all going , no Application or any criteria needed thus nothing to help said application
Could you make up your mind please xxx
No I just suggested the admission criteria was pretty easy and didn't require any elite skills, behaviours or attitudes. If you take the bible literally, and I'm not saying that isn't a big if, I'm just being clear about what it actually says; then it was quite practical to talk your way in whilst being nailed to a cross after having lived a pretty piss poor life of crime. That just isn't my interpretation of elitist.
If you'll excuse me I must attend to my teutonic knights now. "You didn't just suggest we take the bible literally did you xxx If you suggest the criteria is easy , I have no idea what that criteria is . You may be aware that some people (obviously wrong I grant you )but some of the people that try to interpret the bible , both literally and metaphorically have come to the conclusion and explicitly articulate that forwarding to the kingdom of heaven is rather difficult It seems you may need to enlighten us all how easy it is | |||
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"It will happen when we no longer feel the need to put our family first. Which means, it won't happen as a nation is just one big family Sounds like the basic premise of heaven... So, it will happen after we all die and go to heaven
I think heaven is more exclusive than "all" being allowed in. Maybe those who can't get into heaven can be sent to this Venus Project?
Euk the heaven concept sounds nasty and elitist?
Lol! The whole new testament bangs on about how heaven is for the poor, downtrodden and meager, and how rich people are gonna have a hard time getting in and you call it elitist! Honestly that could be a good stand up comedy line.
Poor, downtrodden and meagre . That's the only criteria ?
Elitism is Not about money it is about thinking you are better, or more worthy than another , the goal can be anything
And I'm completely aware of the pious modesty (I'm not worthy) but that's rhetoric
It's believed to be a special place where special people who meet special criteria are allowed and some people aspire to get to such an elite continuation of their days despite most other humans being rejected xx
I'm not going to turn this into a surmon but you're so far off the mark it's hilarious. The pharisees (who were elitist) hated Jesus for the precise reason that he wasn't in the least bit elitist.
We can agree to disagree now. I just found it funny because it such a perverse use of the word, I never thought I'd see heaven and elitist in the same sentence. But it genuinely makes good sureal comedy.
Not my fault you are not conversant with multiple uses for words or that you use the bible for your rigid interpretations
elite
e?'li?t,?-/Submit
noun
1.
a select group that is superior in terms of ability or qualities to the rest of a group or society.
Simple really
Thus those that may meet the stupid high standards claimed by the good book to obtain passage into the mythical heaven would correctly be termed elite , just as certain sports people with phenomenal abilities would be termed elite
Uh-huh and what are these "superior abilities or qualities" one must possess for admission to heaven? Clearly you haven't read the subject matter your talking about otherwise you'd realise there aren't any.
Then according to that
We are all going to heaven xxx me included
I have one superior ability which is an uncanny awesomeness at Age of Empires II but I'm not sure that will help my application
Insects have 3 parts to their bodies , head abdomen and thorax
But back on topic ?
Application ? You suggested we are all going , no Application or any criteria needed thus nothing to help said application
Could you make up your mind please xxx
No I just suggested the admission criteria was pretty easy and didn't require any elite skills, behaviours or attitudes. If you take the bible literally, and I'm not saying that isn't a big if, I'm just being clear about what it actually says; then it was quite practical to talk your way in whilst being nailed to a cross after having lived a pretty piss poor life of crime. That just isn't my interpretation of elitist.
If you'll excuse me I must attend to my teutonic knights now.
You didn't just suggest we take the bible literally did you xxx
If you suggest the criteria is easy , I have no idea what that criteria is . You may be aware that some people (obviously wrong I grant you )but some of the people that try to interpret the bible , both literally and metaphorically have come to the conclusion and explicitly articulate that forwarding to the kingdom of heaven is rather difficult
It seems you may need to enlighten us all how easy it is
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"It will happen when we no longer feel the need to put our family first. Which means, it won't happen as a nation is just one big family Sounds like the basic premise of heaven... So, it will happen after we all die and go to heaven
I think heaven is more exclusive than "all" being allowed in. Maybe those who can't get into heaven can be sent to this Venus Project?
Euk the heaven concept sounds nasty and elitist?
Lol! The whole new testament bangs on about how heaven is for the poor, downtrodden and meager, and how rich people are gonna have a hard time getting in and you call it elitist! Honestly that could be a good stand up comedy line.
Poor, downtrodden and meagre . That's the only criteria ?
Elitism is Not about money it is about thinking you are better, or more worthy than another , the goal can be anything
And I'm completely aware of the pious modesty (I'm not worthy) but that's rhetoric
It's believed to be a special place where special people who meet special criteria are allowed and some people aspire to get to such an elite continuation of their days despite most other humans being rejected xx
I'm not going to turn this into a surmon but you're so far off the mark it's hilarious. The pharisees (who were elitist) hated Jesus for the precise reason that he wasn't in the least bit elitist.
We can agree to disagree now. I just found it funny because it such a perverse use of the word, I never thought I'd see heaven and elitist in the same sentence. But it genuinely makes good sureal comedy.
Not my fault you are not conversant with multiple uses for words or that you use the bible for your rigid interpretations
elite
e?'li?t,?-/Submit
noun
1.
a select group that is superior in terms of ability or qualities to the rest of a group or society.
Simple really
Thus those that may meet the stupid high standards claimed by the good book to obtain passage into the mythical heaven would correctly be termed elite , just as certain sports people with phenomenal abilities would be termed elite
Uh-huh and what are these "superior abilities or qualities" one must possess for admission to heaven? Clearly you haven't read the subject matter your talking about otherwise you'd realise there aren't any.
Then according to that
We are all going to heaven xxx me included
I have one superior ability which is an uncanny awesomeness at Age of Empires II but I'm not sure that will help my application
Insects have 3 parts to their bodies , head abdomen and thorax
But back on topic ?
Application ? You suggested we are all going , no Application or any criteria needed thus nothing to help said application
Could you make up your mind please xxx
No I just suggested the admission criteria was pretty easy and didn't require any elite skills, behaviours or attitudes. If you take the bible literally, and I'm not saying that isn't a big if, I'm just being clear about what it actually says; then it was quite practical to talk your way in whilst being nailed to a cross after having lived a pretty piss poor life of crime. That just isn't my interpretation of elitist.
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You didn't just suggest we take the bible literally did you xxx
If you suggest the criteria is easy , I have no idea what that criteria is . You may be aware that some people (obviously wrong I grant you )but some of the people that try to interpret the bible , both literally and metaphorically have come to the conclusion and explicitly articulate that forwarding to the kingdom of heaven is rather difficult
It seems you may need to enlighten us all how easy it is
Easy enough that the crinimal could do it mid-crucifixion, Google is your friend xxx"Do what indeed , go on spit it out . And then tell me how an atheist could do that act easily xx | |||
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"I think it would be better if we evolved past the idea of having separate nations and live closer to reality. Nations aren't real in the physical sense. If you flew up to space and looked back at Earth you wouldn't see the lines on the map dividing us. I think a more advanced culture would involve doing away with nations altogether and people can move freely around the Earth. That solves the immigration problem for a start. Having nations divides us and does it benefit us really? What is the benefit of having nations to us? I don't mean the benefit of living in Britain. I mean nations in general. It can benefit those at the top, the rich, as it divides us and money can be made in trade between nations. But does it really benefit people like you and me? I'd like to see a united Earth (in touch with reality) with no Government (Science instead...not politics). Incase anyone's wondering I'm not left wing (or right wing). I support Science over politics and money for operating society. (See Venus Project thread) Any thoughts? Is that the same scientists,who miscalculated the number of trees on the planet by over two thirds. The same scientists who miscalculated the number of stars in the universe, times three to five. The same scientists who told us Antarctica was melting,to support their man made global warming theory,then said oops!! it's not actually melting,it's actually getting bigger,in fact it's now bigger than at any time since records began. Would it be those scientists,we would be trusting,to run this new utopia. I think I'm gonna give that world a miss. One man's utopia,is another man's hell. "all I'd say is dont trust the government fed scientists. there is spin..yes..but there are dedicated people who would show you the evidence..our problem is that its all maths etc..most people are happy to ignore scientific outcomes if it doesnt suit their lifestyle..which in short is people looking after their own for their forseable future...they actually care fuck all about what happens when they arent here themselves.These are the people happy to be remembered as graves, being loving souls etc...but in fact, their own selfishness and short term vision makes them.............am gonna say it...................... cunts. | |||
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" Is that the same scientists,who miscalculated the number of trees on the planet by over two thirds. The same scientists who miscalculated the number of stars in the universe, times three to five. The same scientists who told us Antarctica was melting,to support their man made global warming theory,then said oops!! it's not actually melting,it's actually getting bigger,in fact it's now bigger than at any time since records began. Would it be those scientists,we would be trusting,to run this new utopia. I think I'm gonna give that world a miss. One man's utopia,is another man's hell. "That's something I should have mentioned. I'm not talking about scientitst...just the scientific process of testing what works and applying it for the betterment of peoples live and the bioshpere. I find it weird when people pretend they don't trust science though when they use it every single day of their entire lives. The laptop/pc or phone you're using to interact on this very thread was created by scientific processes and the internet and cars and t.v's and bridges and buildings and if you need surgery..it'll be people trained in medical science that will be the ones helping you. Good luck living a modern life without any science. You would be out in the wild hunting animals with you're bare hands. Even a basic spear is a process of science. And clothes. So you'd be naked too... | |||
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" Is that the same scientists,who miscalculated the number of trees on the planet by over two thirds. The same scientists who miscalculated the number of stars in the universe, times three to five. The same scientists who told us Antarctica was melting,to support their man made global warming theory,then said oops!! it's not actually melting,it's actually getting bigger,in fact it's now bigger than at any time since records began. Would it be those scientists,we would be trusting,to run this new utopia. I think I'm gonna give that world a miss. One man's utopia,is another man's hell.
That's something I should have mentioned. I'm not talking about scientitst...just the scientific process of testing what works and applying it for the betterment of peoples live and the bioshpere.
I find it weird when people pretend they don't trust science though when they use it every single day of their entire lives. The laptop/pc or phone you're using to interact on this very thread was created by scientific processes and the internet and cars and t.v's and bridges and buildings and if you need surgery..it'll be people trained in medical science that will be the ones helping you.
Good luck living a modern life without any science. You would be out in the wild hunting animals with you're bare hands. Even a basic spear is a process of science. And clothes. So you'd be naked too..."Ironically some have trusted some science to illustrate some scientific opinion was wrong lol | |||
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" No just a quick reading of history and the last few times someone suggested a great alternative. Chances are that you'll end up starving or in a concentration camp. It never sets out that way though. Anyway, for someone who considers themselves scientific you have a heck of a lot of assumptions lacking evidence. - you assume tribalism is caused by competition for resources - you assume education can reverse thousands of years of neurological programming - you assume a lot about technological progress too Anyway, I'll do you a deal - I'll pay for your travel to the test city on the condition you surrender your British passport on the way out." A quick read of history? That would be like before plances were invented someone saying 'we'll never have planes because if you look back in history we've never had planes.' Dumb. You the type of person that if you were around before people went to the moon, you'd be one of the people saying it would never happen. Also I don't assume those things. That's what research has discovered. We can't undo eons of neurological progamming? Yes we can...Human beings display a huge variety of behaviors. Even me. Before I found out about all this I was into Rap music and gangster stuff. Then I learn't about all this and it changed me as a person. So yes, education can have a huge effect on people. Huge. As for your deal...No. | |||
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" No just a quick reading of history and the last few times someone suggested a great alternative. Chances are that you'll end up starving or in a concentration camp. It never sets out that way though. Anyway, for someone who considers themselves scientific you have a heck of a lot of assumptions lacking evidence. - you assume tribalism is caused by competition for resources - you assume education can reverse thousands of years of neurological programming - you assume a lot about technological progress too Anyway, I'll do you a deal - I'll pay for your travel to the test city on the condition you surrender your British passport on the way out. A quick read of history? That would be like before plances were invented someone saying 'we'll never have planes because if you look back in history we've never had planes.' Dumb. You the type of person that if you were around before people went to the moon, you'd be one of the people saying it would never happen. Also I don't assume those things. That's what research has discovered. We can't undo eons of neurological progamming? Yes we can...Human beings display a huge variety of behaviors. Even me. Before I found out about all this I was into Rap music and gangster stuff. Then I learn't about all this and it changed me as a person. So yes, education can have a huge effect on people. Huge. As for your deal...No. " No offence but you're showing your ignorance of neurological programming big time! I've already explained that variances are accounted for and you've already confessed you've never read anything on the subject. To my knowledge, there's absolutely no scientific evidence that what you are saying regarding programming and the causes of tribalism. If there is then please post the source and I'll gladly read it. | |||
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" Is that the same scientists,who miscalculated the number of trees on the planet by over two thirds. The same scientists who miscalculated the number of stars in the universe, times three to five. The same scientists who told us Antarctica was melting,to support their man made global warming theory,then said oops!! it's not actually melting,it's actually getting bigger,in fact it's now bigger than at any time since records began. Would it be those scientists,we would be trusting,to run this new utopia. I think I'm gonna give that world a miss. One man's utopia,is another man's hell.
That's something I should have mentioned. I'm not talking about scientitst...just the scientific process of testing what works and applying it for the betterment of peoples live and the bioshpere.
I find it weird when people pretend they don't trust science though when they use it every single day of their entire lives. The laptop/pc or phone you're using to interact on this very thread was created by scientific processes and the internet and cars and t.v's and bridges and buildings and if you need surgery..it'll be people trained in medical science that will be the ones helping you.
Good luck living a modern life without any science. You would be out in the wild hunting animals with you're bare hands. Even a basic spear is a process of science. And clothes. So you'd be naked too..."I love science,when they get it right. What worries me,is how often they get it wrong. Or worse still,when they ignore all data,if it doesn't fit their agenda. science,as you say,it's given me all mod cons. I just don't trust them to always get it right. I most certainly wouldn't trust them,to make the rules, That ruled my world. Hoping that's cleared that up. | |||
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" No offence but you're showing your ignorance of neurological programming big time! I've already explained that variances are accounted for and you've already confessed you've never read anything on the subject. To my knowledge, there's absolutely no scientific evidence that what you are saying regarding programming and the causes of tribalism. If there is then please post the source and I'll gladly read it. " Yeh you're definitely putting too much faith in this one book. Variances are accounted for? We're not talking about small variances here and there. There are HUGE differences in our behavior all over the globe. If what you're saying is true then we all behave the exact same and we just don't. You're not understanding this and I don't think you're going to. To much faith in dodgy sounding book. | |||
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" Is that the same scientists,who miscalculated the number of trees on the planet by over two thirds. The same scientists who miscalculated the number of stars in the universe, times three to five. The same scientists who told us Antarctica was melting,to support their man made global warming theory,then said oops!! it's not actually melting,it's actually getting bigger,in fact it's now bigger than at any time since records began. Would it be those scientists,we would be trusting,to run this new utopia. I think I'm gonna give that world a miss. One man's utopia,is another man's hell.
That's something I should have mentioned. I'm not talking about scientitst...just the scientific process of testing what works and applying it for the betterment of peoples live and the bioshpere.
I find it weird when people pretend they don't trust science though when they use it every single day of their entire lives. The laptop/pc or phone you're using to interact on this very thread was created by scientific processes and the internet and cars and t.v's and bridges and buildings and if you need surgery..it'll be people trained in medical science that will be the ones helping you.
Good luck living a modern life without any science. You would be out in the wild hunting animals with you're bare hands. Even a basic spear is a process of science. And clothes. So you'd be naked too...
I love science,when they get it right.
What worries me,is how often they get it wrong.
Or worse still,when they ignore all data,if it doesn't fit their agenda.
science,as you say,it's given me all mod cons.
I just don't trust them to always get it right.
I most certainly wouldn't trust them,to make the rules,
That ruled my world.
Hoping that's cleared that up.
"No worries : ) Don't worry though they wouldn't be ruling the world or making the rules. Nature makes the rules and if we follow natures rules (i.e if we pollute the bioshphere too much then it can't support us, so take care of the bioshpere) then we'll be much better off. We use the scientific process as a tool without the corruption of politics and profit. | |||
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" No offence but you're showing your ignorance of neurological programming big time! I've already explained that variances are accounted for and you've already confessed you've never read anything on the subject. To my knowledge, there's absolutely no scientific evidence that what you are saying regarding programming and the causes of tribalism. If there is then please post the source and I'll gladly read it. Yeh you're definitely putting too much faith in this one book. Variances are accounted for? We're not talking about small variances here and there. There are HUGE differences in our behavior all over the globe. If what you're saying is true then we all behave the exact same and we just don't. You're not understanding this and I don't think you're going to. To much faith in dodgy sounding book. " Right well I'm not debating with people who, by their own admission, know fuck all about a subject. I'm off, enjoy your communist paradise. | |||
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" No offence but you're showing your ignorance of neurological programming big time! I've already explained that variances are accounted for and you've already confessed you've never read anything on the subject. To my knowledge, there's absolutely no scientific evidence that what you are saying regarding programming and the causes of tribalism. If there is then please post the source and I'll gladly read it. Yeh you're definitely putting too much faith in this one book. Variances are accounted for? We're not talking about small variances here and there. There are HUGE differences in our behavior all over the globe. If what you're saying is true then we all behave the exact same and we just don't. You're not understanding this and I don't think you're going to. To much faith in dodgy sounding book. Right well I'm not debating with people who, by their own admission, know fuck all about a subject. I'm off, enjoy your communist paradise. " I did not say I knew nothing of the subject. Stupid thing to say. I haven't read that book but believe it or not other neurologists and scientist exist and I've listened to some of them. Sounds like you've only read this one book. There are other books you know. Oh it's not communist. That explains why you're not getting it. We've been talking about different things this whole time
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" No just a quick reading of history and the last few times someone suggested a great alternative. Chances are that you'll end up starving or in a concentration camp. It never sets out that way though. Anyway, for someone who considers themselves scientific you have a heck of a lot of assumptions lacking evidence. - you assume tribalism is caused by competition for resources - you assume education can reverse thousands of years of neurological programming - you assume a lot about technological progress too Anyway, I'll do you a deal - I'll pay for your travel to the test city on the condition you surrender your British passport on the way out. A quick read of history? That would be like before plances were invented someone saying 'we'll never have planes because if you look back in history we've never had planes.' Dumb. You the type of person that if you were around before people went to the moon, you'd be one of the people saying it would never happen. Also I don't assume those things. That's what research has discovered. We can't undo eons of neurological progamming? Yes we can...Human beings display a huge variety of behaviors. Even me. Before I found out about all this I was into Rap music and gangster stuff. Then I learn't about all this and it changed me as a person. So yes, education can have a huge effect on people. Huge. As for your deal...No. No offence but you're showing your ignorance of neurological programming big time! I've already explained that variances are accounted for and you've already confessed you've never read anything on the subject. To my knowledge, there's absolutely no scientific evidence that what you are saying regarding programming and the causes of tribalism. If there is then please post the source and I'll gladly read it. " If you do not understand neurological programming, you are missing an important field of neuroscience We have an amazing resource called planet earth with hundreds of countries a few continents and a few thousand tribes If from the data you are unable to conclude just how powerful memes and local memes are than that's not our problem try language and religion to begin by area xx | |||
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" Is that the same scientists,who miscalculated the number of trees on the planet by over two thirds. The same scientists who miscalculated the number of stars in the universe, times three to five. The same scientists who told us Antarctica was melting,to support their man made global warming theory,then said oops!! it's not actually melting,it's actually getting bigger,in fact it's now bigger than at any time since records began. Would it be those scientists,we would be trusting,to run this new utopia. I think I'm gonna give that world a miss. One man's utopia,is another man's hell.
That's something I should have mentioned. I'm not talking about scientitst...just the scientific process of testing what works and applying it for the betterment of peoples live and the bioshpere.
I find it weird when people pretend they don't trust science though when they use it every single day of their entire lives. The laptop/pc or phone you're using to interact on this very thread was created by scientific processes and the internet and cars and t.v's and bridges and buildings and if you need surgery..it'll be people trained in medical science that will be the ones helping you.
Good luck living a modern life without any science. You would be out in the wild hunting animals with you're bare hands. Even a basic spear is a process of science. And clothes. So you'd be naked too...
I love science,when they get it right.
What worries me,is how often they get it wrong.
Or worse still,when they ignore all data,if it doesn't fit their agenda.
science,as you say,it's given me all mod cons.
I just don't trust them to always get it right.
I most certainly wouldn't trust them,to make the rules,
That ruled my world.
Hoping that's cleared that up.
No worries : )
Don't worry though they wouldn't be ruling the world or making the rules. Nature makes the rules and if we follow natures rules (i.e if we pollute the bioshphere too much then it can't support us, so take care of the bioshpere) then we'll be much better off. We use the scientific process as a tool without the corruption of politics and profit. "It's the scientific reading of natures rules,That worries me the most. | |||
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" It's the scientific reading of natures rules,That worries me the most.
Science isn't perfect but despite it's flaws it's the best method we have so far of testing things. If we ran society with anything less then it would be more dangerous. Only things that have been tested and proven to work would be used. For example using renewable energy instead of fossil fuels. Essentially all the work has already been done it's just a case of applying it better"Get back to me when it is perfect. | |||
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"Be civil war and jihads everywhere. Not to mention corporations destroying each other. I don't feel this world is destined for utopia. Nice idea in principle but borders do have a habit of keeping certain things in check. Take Sudan for instance. new world order is needed . Xmas needs thru right out the window . As does easter . They old celebrated things once owned by pagens and stolen by christians . We as a planet need a new type of faith and something to believe in . The only solid true thing we can all count on is death . That rock will come . Not if but when .also the changing of seasons is outdated . We are cold in summer and warm in what we have always seen as winter . Like i say . The entire planet and everything it has and everything we know live and breath needs moved into the 21st century . Religion is living in the dark ages . We need one culture . Save our planet or leave " it's good but it's not quite carling | |||
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"Be civil war and jihads everywhere. Not to mention corporations destroying each other. I don't feel this world is destined for utopia. Nice idea in principle but borders do have a habit of keeping certain things in check. Take Sudan for instance. new world order is needed . Xmas needs thru right out the window . As does easter . They old celebrated things once owned by pagens and stolen by christians . We as a planet need a new type of faith and something to believe in . The only solid true thing we can all count on is death . That rock will come . Not if but when .also the changing of seasons is outdated . We are cold in summer and warm in what we have always seen as winter . Like i say . The entire planet and everything it has and everything we know live and breath needs moved into the 21st century . Religion is living in the dark ages . We need one culture . Save our planet or leave " I don't want a new faith or an old one for that matter. | |||
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