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"I find that my sexuality is enhanced by and entwined with my spirituality and rather than conflict they complement each other. " Interesting... Would you please share a little of your spiritual beliefs please? | |||
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"I find that my sexuality is enhanced by and entwined with my spirituality and rather than conflict they complement each other. Interesting... Would you please share a little of your spiritual beliefs please?" . Jack Daniels or southern comfort mostly  | |||
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"I find that my sexuality is enhanced by and entwined with my spirituality and rather than conflict they complement each other. Interesting... Would you please share a little of your spiritual beliefs please?" She has a St Andrews Cross in the cellar.  | |||
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"I find that my sexuality is enhanced by and entwined with my spirituality and rather than conflict they complement each other. Interesting... Would you please share a little of your spiritual beliefs please? She has a St Andrews Cross in the cellar. "We haven't got a cellar now, its in the spare bedroom  | |||
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"Not religious or spiritual. I find that swinging is perfectly consistent with my moral code and have no second thoughts or doubts...other than which club to go to any given weekend. -Courtney" You dont need to be religious or spiritual to have 2nd thoughts | |||
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"I find that my sexuality is enhanced by and entwined with my spirituality and rather than conflict they complement each other. "Also interesting... Please also share a little of your spiritual beliefs if you don't mind? | |||
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"I find enjoying sex is a natural thing and so have no problems with it. I did have the 'nice girls don't do this' dilemma for a while but not now. " What changed... Did you stop being a nice girl?! Only kidding  | |||
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"I find that my sexuality is enhanced by and entwined with my spirituality and rather than conflict they complement each other. Interesting... Would you please share a little of your spiritual beliefs please?" Well I'm not in the habit of discussing it much I tend to follow a solitary path but I do believe that if its safe, sane, consensual and harms no one no deity internal or external could disapprove surely. | |||
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"I find that my sexuality is enhanced by and entwined with my spirituality and rather than conflict they complement each other. Interesting... Would you please share a little of your spiritual beliefs please? Well I'm not in the habit of discussing it much I tend to follow a solitary path but I do believe that if its safe, sane, consensual and harms no one no deity internal or external could disapprove surely. " Thank you, yes I can appreciate that non violence aspect, I also believe in trying to perform actions that harm noone...though its very hard in practise as sometimes things that appear to harm noone do in fact harm...even if its ourselves | |||
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"I find enjoying sex is a natural thing and so have no problems with it. I did have the 'nice girls don't do this' dilemma for a while but not now. " And I can confirm that you're still a very nice girl.  | |||
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"I find that my sexuality is enhanced by and entwined with my spirituality and rather than conflict they complement each other. Interesting... Would you please share a little of your spiritual beliefs please? Well I'm not in the habit of discussing it much I tend to follow a solitary path but I do believe that if its safe, sane, consensual and harms no one no deity internal or external could disapprove surely. Thank you, yes I can appreciate that non violence aspect, I also believe in trying to perform actions that harm noone...though its very hard in practise as sometimes things that appear to harm noone do in fact harm...even if its ourselves" none of us is perfect. | |||
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"I find enjoying sex is a natural thing and so have no problems with it. I did have the 'nice girls don't do this' dilemma for a while but not now. What changed... Did you stop being a nice girl?! Only kidding "
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"I find enjoying sex is a natural thing and so have no problems with it. I did have the 'nice girls don't do this' dilemma for a while but not now. And I can confirm that you're still a very nice girl. "Awww thank you  | |||
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"Are any of you religious or spuritual and find it conflicts somewhat with being on this site. Im in two minds due to this and wondered if anyone else finds similar internal struggles?" . I am an Anglican and do not see any conflict of interest. | |||
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"Thanks for the replies, any more feelings of those who feel they are religious or spiritual please?...something analogous to head vs heart but more along the lines of body vs soul if that makes any sense?!" The conflict is not that I'll get struck down by lightening, etc but more to do with that deep down, I feel that what I am doing is not 'moral' . I know I am not making a lot of sense and perhaps that is why this feeling takes over sometimes only | |||
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"Are any of you religious or spuritual and find it conflicts somewhat with being on this site. Im in two minds due to this and wondered if anyone else finds similar internal struggles?. I am an Anglican and do not see any conflict of interest. " . the head of the Anglican Church is agnostic.... They left there religious beliefs behind years ago | |||
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"Thanks for the replies, any more feelings of those who feel they are religious or spiritual please?...something analogous to head vs heart but more along the lines of body vs soul if that makes any sense?! The conflict is not that I'll get struck down by lightening, etc but more to do with that deep down, I feel that what I am doing is not 'moral' . I know I am not making a lot of sense and perhaps that is why this feeling takes over sometimes only" . immoral feelings aren't given to you by God. There given to you by humans who belive in God. | |||
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"Are any of you religious or spuritual and find it conflicts somewhat with being on this site. Im in two minds due to this and wondered if anyone else finds similar internal struggles?. I am an Anglican and do not see any conflict of interest. . the head of the Anglican Church is agnostic.... They left there religious beliefs behind years ago "The queen is agnostic? | |||
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"Are any of you religious or spuritual and find it conflicts somewhat with being on this site. Im in two minds due to this and wondered if anyone else finds similar internal struggles?. I am an Anglican and do not see any conflict of interest. . the head of the Anglican Church is agnostic.... They left there religious beliefs behind years ago ". This does not make a lot of sense . Are you a practising Anglican to come to that conclusion or what evidence is there to support it?. | |||
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"I find that my sexuality is enhanced by and entwined with my spirituality and rather than conflict they complement each other. " agree with this | |||
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"Are any of you religious or spuritual and find it conflicts somewhat with being on this site. Im in two minds due to this and wondered if anyone else finds similar internal struggles?. I am an Anglican and do not see any conflict of interest. . the head of the Anglican Church is agnostic.... They left there religious beliefs behind years ago . This does not make a lot of sense . Are you a practising Anglican to come to that conclusion or what evidence is there to support it?. ". Didn't Justin welby say he was agnostic? | |||
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"Are any of you religious or spuritual and find it conflicts somewhat with being on this site. Im in two minds due to this and wondered if anyone else finds similar internal struggles?. I am an Anglican and do not see any conflict of interest. . the head of the Anglican Church is agnostic.... They left there religious beliefs behind years ago . This does not make a lot of sense . Are you a practising Anglican to come to that conclusion or what evidence is there to support it?. "I won't go down this route with him. You know what you believe, that's all that matters. What others think about it is irrelevant. Stick to just stating what you believe and don't be drawn to over explain. I've been there, it's pointless less. His remarks are clearly pejorative. | |||
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"Are any of you religious or spuritual and find it conflicts somewhat with being on this site. Im in two minds due to this and wondered if anyone else finds similar internal struggles?. I am an Anglican and do not see any conflict of interest. . the head of the Anglican Church is agnostic.... They left there religious beliefs behind years ago . This does not make a lot of sense . Are you a practising Anglican to come to that conclusion or what evidence is there to support it?. .
Didn't Justin welby say he was agnostic?"Not that I'm aware of but if you can provide a link I'll stand corrected. | |||
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"Are any of you religious or spuritual and find it conflicts somewhat with being on this site. Im in two minds due to this and wondered if anyone else finds similar internal struggles?. I am an Anglican and do not see any conflict of interest. . the head of the Anglican Church is agnostic.... They left there religious beliefs behind years ago . This does not make a lot of sense . Are you a practising Anglican to come to that conclusion or what evidence is there to support it?.
I won't go down this route with him. You know what you believe, that's all that matters. What others think about it is irrelevant. Stick to just stating what you believe and don't be drawn to over explain. I've been there, it's pointless less. His remarks are clearly pejorative.". Omg That's like two kids getting together to discuss their alibi. Listen up stick to the story, don't over elaborate anything and if in doubt look at the floor  | |||
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"Are any of you religious or spuritual and find it conflicts somewhat with being on this site. Im in two minds due to this and wondered if anyone else finds similar internal struggles?. I am an Anglican and do not see any conflict of interest. . the head of the Anglican Church is agnostic.... They left there religious beliefs behind years ago . This does not make a lot of sense . Are you a practising Anglican to come to that conclusion or what evidence is there to support it?. .
Didn't Justin welby say he was agnostic?
Not that I'm aware of but if you can provide a link I'll stand corrected.". Oh well I seemed to remember an interview where he had doubts whether God existed? Maybe I remembered wrong | |||
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"Are any of you religious or spuritual and find it conflicts somewhat with being on this site. Im in two minds due to this and wondered if anyone else finds similar internal struggles?. I am an Anglican and do not see any conflict of interest. . the head of the Anglican Church is agnostic.... They left there religious beliefs behind years ago . This does not make a lot of sense . Are you a practising Anglican to come to that conclusion or what evidence is there to support it?.
I won't go down this route with him. You know what you believe, that's all that matters. What others think about it is irrelevant. Stick to just stating what you believe and don't be drawn to over explain. I've been there, it's pointless less. His remarks are clearly pejorative..
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That's like two kids getting together to discuss their alibi.
Listen up stick to the story, don't over elaborate anything and if in doubt look at the floor " it is, isn't it but it's also what I think. There again the floor is looking pretty good to right now to. | |||
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" No, I accepted that I'm a woman who loves sex and that's nothing to be ashamed of any more "For me, I have personal faith that there is a god, I have a connection with god and I communicate it in my own way. Religions are to me, the essence of god, through the eyes, paradigms and words of man. In this way, I think I am a human, with natural desires and pleasures, and if it's healthy, consensual and no one is getting hurt, then there is no harm. God didnt make us trip up with natural lust to fail his 'rules', sex is natural, sex for pleasure is natural too. In my opinion. | |||
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"Are any of you religious or spuritual and find it conflicts somewhat with being on this site. Im in two minds due to this and wondered if anyone else finds similar internal struggles?. I am an Anglican and do not see any conflict of interest. . the head of the Anglican Church is agnostic.... They left there religious beliefs behind years ago . This does not make a lot of sense . Are you a practising Anglican to come to that conclusion or what evidence is there to support it?. .
Didn't Justin welby say he was agnostic?
Not that I'm aware of but if you can provide a link I'll stand corrected..
Oh well I seemed to remember an interview where he had doubts whether God existed?
Maybe I remembered wrong "It's well known that he had had more than doubts about the existence of God. It's also well known that he change his mind as a result of an incident that involved the drowning of a young man. He is now a committed Christian. | |||
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"Are any of you religious or spuritual and find it conflicts somewhat with being on this site. Im in two minds due to this and wondered if anyone else finds similar internal struggles?. I am an Anglican and do not see any conflict of interest. . the head of the Anglican Church is agnostic.... They left there religious beliefs behind years ago . This does not make a lot of sense . Are you a practising Anglican to come to that conclusion or what evidence is there to support it?. .
Didn't Justin welby say he was agnostic?
Not that I'm aware of but if you can provide a link I'll stand corrected..
Oh well I seemed to remember an interview where he had doubts whether God existed?
Maybe I remembered wrong
It's well known that he had had more than doubts about the existence of God. It's also well known that he change his mind as a result of an incident that involved the drowning of a young man. He is now a committed Christian.". They committed him 
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" No, I accepted that I'm a woman who loves sex and that's nothing to be ashamed of any more
For me, I have personal faith that there is a god, I have a connection with god and I communicate it in my own way. Religions are to me, the essence of god, through the eyes, paradigms and words of man. In this way, I think I am a human, with natural desires and pleasures, and if it's healthy, consensual and no one is getting hurt, then there is no harm. God didnt make us trip up with natural lust to fail his 'rules', sex is natural, sex for pleasure is natural too. In my opinion. "^This. | |||
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"My mate believes Elvis works in the local kebab shop and two people came on a thread today with beliefs about Hitler being alive and Stanley Kubrick faking the moon landing. I poked a bit of fun at them as well, they never complained "Well that's alright then. At least we know that they were right, don't we? | |||
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" No, I accepted that I'm a woman who loves sex and that's nothing to be ashamed of any more
For me, I have personal faith that there is a god, I have a connection with god and I communicate it in my own way. Religions are to me, the essence of god, through the eyes, paradigms and words of man. In this way, I think I am a human, with natural desires and pleasures, and if it's healthy, consensual and no one is getting hurt, then there is no harm. God didnt make us trip up with natural lust to fail his 'rules', sex is natural, sex for pleasure is natural too. In my opinion. "very well said, - I'm with you 100% on that! | |||
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"I find that my sexuality is enhanced by and entwined with my spirituality and rather than conflict they complement each other. Interesting... Would you please share a little of your spiritual beliefs please? Well I'm not in the habit of discussing it much I tend to follow a solitary path but I do believe that if its safe, sane, consensual and harms no one no deity internal or external could disapprove surely. Thank you, yes I can appreciate that non violence aspect, I also believe in trying to perform actions that harm noone...though its very hard in practise as sometimes things that appear to harm noone do in fact harm...even if its ourselves none of us is perfect. "Agreed....for me, religion/spiritual progress is to try to become perfect.... The attempt in itself is a huge step and is extremely rare....the act of becoming perfect is rarest of the rare.... Though even trying to understand what is perfect probably would take several lifetimes for most of us I would imagine. | |||
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" No, I accepted that I'm a woman who loves sex and that's nothing to be ashamed of any more
For me, I have personal faith that there is a god, I have a connection with god and I communicate it in my own way. Religions are to me, the essence of god, through the eyes, paradigms and words of man. In this way, I think I am a human, with natural desires and pleasures, and if it's healthy, consensual and no one is getting hurt, then there is no harm. God didnt make us trip up with natural lust to fail his 'rules', sex is natural, sex for pleasure is natural too. In my opinion. "Well said | |||
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"I do think there is a conflict with the teaching of all the major religions, but my spiritual walk is such that that fact does not bother me at the moment, sometimes one has to take the scenic route. "May your spiritual walk be peaceful and fruitful. | |||
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it seems to cry of more than just a little insecurity imo.
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"I do think there is a conflict with the teaching of all the major religions, but my spiritual walk is such that that fact does not bother me at the moment, sometimes one has to take the scenic route.
May your spiritual walk be peaceful and fruitful."Aww, thank you sweetie! | |||
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"I do think there is a conflict with the teaching of all the major religions, but my spiritual walk is such that that fact does not bother me at the moment, sometimes one has to take the scenic route.
May your spiritual walk be peaceful and fruitful.
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"We all end up 6 feet under in the end ! It's what we do with our lives that counts,whatever ones beliefs!" Even if one believes that the soul lives forever?! | |||
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"We all end up 6 feet under in the end ! It's what we do with our lives that counts,whatever ones beliefs! Even if one believes that the soul lives forever?!" or exists in infinite dimensions  | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 06/01/16 01:48:13]" I agree, if not an insecurity issue, then why bother to post here??? | |||
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"I find these religion threads on fab to be a real eye opener. incredibly I find that the biggest 'hard sellers' are usually atheists, they seem to be the new Jehova's - 'i'm right & you're wrong' - witnesses!!
it seems to cry of more than just a little insecurity imo.
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"I have uttered "oh my god" on more than one occasion .. " | |||
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"I have uttered "oh my god" on more than one occasion .. " me too but I flailed my wrists high | |||
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"I find these religion threads on fab to be a real eye opener. incredibly I find that the biggest 'hard sellers' are usually atheists, they seem to be the new Jehova's - 'i'm right & you're wrong' - witnesses!!
it seems to cry of more than just a little insecurity imo.
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I think your referring to those "new atheists"
Yeah I agree we got sick of all the bullshit the religions pedal and decided to actually speak up after tolerating the intolerable for way way way to long!.
"So you're taking the -'if you can't beat them, join them' - rout then. Oh the hypocrisy! | |||
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"if anyone thinks their doctrine holds importance over their life, then they shouldnt be swinging.. to me a real religion would forgive its adaptive audience for not followings its teachings.. if not they should fuck off and keep sheep" And there you have it for 'God' has spoken  | |||
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"Are any of you religious or spuritual and find it conflicts somewhat with being on this site. Im in two minds due to this and wondered if anyone else finds similar internal struggles?" Non at all. I chose a 'religion' that may have actively encouraged promiscuity. | |||
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"if anyone thinks their doctrine holds importance over their life, then they shouldnt be swinging.. to me a real religion would forgive its adaptive audience for not followings its teachings.. if not they should fuck off and keep sheep" Baa Baa. | |||
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"I have a brother that spouts religious doctrine at us all the time,if you are religious and a swinger there has to be a conflict,as a realtionship in gods eyes is between 2 people,lets be honest most religions reluctantly except women let alone gay or bi peeps,judgemental and the opium of the people lol" If you believe there's more than one God, it can all make perfect sense. | |||
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"I'm not even going to read the posts on this thread because I know it will be full of the usual narrow-minded misunderstanding of the nature of belief "Only by some... | |||
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"Not religious or spiritual. I find that swinging is perfectly consistent with my moral code and have no second thoughts or doubts...other than which club to go to any given weekend. -Courtney You dont need to be religious or spiritual to have 2nd thoughts" I didn't say that you did. I was answering the question about religion/spirituality. And I happen not to have any second thoughts. -Courtney | |||
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"Not religious or spiritual. I find that swinging is perfectly consistent with my moral code and have no second thoughts or doubts...other than which club to go to any given weekend. -Courtney I have second thoughts all the time...its normally about food though. Or if I switched off all the lights. Or should I jave another brew... You dont need to be religious or spiritual to have 2nd thoughts I didn't say that you did. I was answering the question about religion/spirituality. And I happen not to have any second thoughts. -Courtney" | |||
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"Not religious or spiritual. I find that swinging is perfectly consistent with my moral code and have no second thoughts or doubts...other than which club to go to any given weekend. -Courtney I have second thoughts all the time...its normally about food though. Or if I switched off all the lights. Or should I jave another brew... You dont need to be religious or spiritual to have 2nd thoughts I didn't say that you did. I was answering the question about religion/spirituality. And I happen not to have any second thoughts. -Courtney" You know what I mean! | |||
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"If you look back into the history of sex. ."sharing" so to speak goes back way before the bible !! It's religion that has made it supposingly immoral ...I am never in conflict with whether the big man upstairs approves ..It bothers me more if god for bid my family or children ever knew ". Native American Indians Were renowned swingers bi sexual and spiritual, the difference being no real theocratic omnipotent God | |||
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"If you look back into the history of sex. ."sharing" so to speak goes back way before the bible !! It's religion that has made it supposingly immoral ...I am never in conflict with whether the big man upstairs approves ..It bothers me more if god for bid my family or children ever knew .
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Were renowned swingers bi sexual and spiritual, the difference being no real theocratic omnipotent God"And do we even need to mention Roman orgies!!! | |||
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"There's a book called "insatiable wives " It's a good read and goes back over the history of sex ..swinging..hot wives..cuckold etc !! What we do on here is old news ..It's just we have the Internet to help us along the way !! Spirituality and religion is all about love ..is it not ?? I think we would all agree we share our love very well "I think that's where religion muscled in on sex trying to make us believe it's wrong unless love goes with it. | |||
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"There's a book called "insatiable wives " It's a good read and goes back over the history of sex ..swinging..hot wives..cuckold etc !! What we do on here is old news ..It's just we have the Internet to help us along the way !! Spirituality and religion is all about love ..is it not ?? I think we would all agree we share our love very well
I think that's where religion muscled in on sex trying to make us believe it's wrong unless love goes with it."Absolutely...!!! Let's be honest how many vicars ..priests etc are on here preaching the bible in the day and dressed up as a gimp in the evenings ?? Ooh now that would be an interesting thread ..lol Don't get me wrong I am very spiritual ..However equally I very horny !! Who says the 2 can't go together ...don't know much about it but isn't tantric sex spiritually linked ?? X | |||
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"There's a book called "insatiable wives " It's a good read and goes back over the history of sex ..swinging..hot wives..cuckold etc !! What we do on here is old news ..It's just we have the Internet to help us along the way !! Spirituality and religion is all about love ..is it not ?? I think we would all agree we share our love very well
I think that's where religion muscled in on sex trying to make us believe it's wrong unless love goes with it.
Absolutely...!!! Let's be honest how many vicars ..priests etc are on here preaching the bible in the day and dressed up as a gimp in the evenings ?? Ooh now that would be an interesting thread ..lol
Don't get me wrong I am very spiritual ..However equally I very horny !! Who says the 2 can't go together ...don't know much about it but isn't tantric sex spiritually linked ?? X". Spirituality and religions are two completely different things! | |||
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"There's a book called "insatiable wives " It's a good read and goes back over the history of sex ..swinging..hot wives..cuckold etc !! What we do on here is old news ..It's just we have the Internet to help us along the way !! Spirituality and religion is all about love ..is it not ?? I think we would all agree we share our love very well
I think that's where religion muscled in on sex trying to make us believe it's wrong unless love goes with it.
Absolutely...!!! Let's be honest how many vicars ..priests etc are on here preaching the bible in the day and dressed up as a gimp in the evenings ?? Ooh now that would be an interesting thread ..lol
Don't get me wrong I am very spiritual ..However equally I very horny !! Who says the 2 can't go together ...don't know much about it but isn't tantric sex spiritually linked ?? X.
Spirituality and religions are two completely different things!"I know that ..hence why I said I am spiritual and not religious !!! | |||
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"I honestly don't have a problem with spirituality, it's a personal thing, no need for a church or a set of rule books, or any doctrine, no condemnation of gay people, women, disabled, there's no need to preach it to children or think your particular spiritual path is better than the other persons!. Religion is the complete opposite.. It's just bog standard empire building with a slightly different bullshit theocratic dogma!"
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"Couple of questions; how many different religions is there? Of these religions how many say "you'll be sent to hell, to live in damn nation. "? How do you know that you are praying to the right one? Some seem to believe what some guy has written, because someone came to him and told him to write it. If I was to say a few Latin words over a biscuit, and proceed to say it was the body of John Lennon. People would say I was crazy. Everyone of us have the right to believe and do what we want. It's only when it affects others will it be a problem. My views are my own, as are yours and have much respect for them. All feelings of "is this right /wrong " come from our social up bringing, things we were taught or learnt when growing up. Self consciousness your own ability to work out the difference between right and wrong based on how you are brought up. Hope we haven't offended anyone, as this was not intended to do so. Love and peace to all. Be good to each other. One good deed a day. Gina and Mistress L xxx Have fun but most of all enjoy it and be happy. " If it was a chocolate biscuit I would be in
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Were renowned swingers bi sexual and spiritual, the difference being no real theocratic omnipotent God"No? "In Native American mythology, Wakan Tanka (great mystery) is the supreme being and creator of the Lakota Sioux. Sometimes called Great Spirit, he is similar to the supreme beings found in the myths of many other North American peoples. According to Lakota myth, before creation Wakan Tanka existed in a great emptiness called Han (darkness). Feeling lonely, he decided to create companions for himself. First, Great Spirit focused his energy into a powerful force to form Inyan (rock), the first god. Next, he used Inyan to create Maka (earth) and then mated with that god to produce Skan (sky). Skan brought forth Wi (the sun) from Inyan, Maka, and himself. These four gods were separate and powerful, but they were all part of Wakan Tanka." Sounds familiar?? | |||
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"In Native American mythology, Wakan Tanka (great mystery) is the supreme being and creator of the Lakota Sioux. Sometimes called Great Spirit, he is similar to the supreme beings found in the myths of many other North American peoples.
According to Lakota myth, before creation Wakan Tanka existed in a great emptiness called Han (darkness). Feeling lonely, he decided to create companions for himself. First, Great Spirit focused his energy into a powerful force to form Inyan (rock), the first god. Next, he used Inyan to create Maka (earth) and then mated with that god to produce Skan (sky). Skan brought forth Wi (the sun) from Inyan, Maka, and himself. These four gods were separate and powerful, but they were all part of Wakan Tanka."
Sounds familiar?? ". No? It sounds pretty much like all old school religions. No theocratic doctrine of how to live and very much a God of power which eludes in reality to explaining everyday observations like the sky and the sun and the moon or how the Indians came about without any scientific knowledge of the reality | |||
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"I have a brother that spouts religious doctrine at us all the time,if you are religious and a swinger there has to be a conflict,as a realtionship in gods eyes is between 2 people,lets be honest most religions reluctantly except women let alone gay or bi peeps,judgemental and the opium of the people lol If you believe there's more than one God, it can all make perfect sense. " I think she meant God's eyes, that's how I read it. | |||
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"If you look back into the history of sex. ."sharing" so to speak goes back way before the bible !! It's religion that has made it supposingly immoral ...I am never in conflict with whether the big man upstairs approves ..It bothers me more if god for bid my family or children ever knew .
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Were renowned swingers bi sexual and spiritual, the difference being no real theocratic omnipotent God
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"In Native American mythology, Wakan Tanka (great mystery) is the supreme being and creator of the Lakota Sioux. Sometimes called Great Spirit, he is similar to the supreme beings found in the myths of many other North American peoples.
According to Lakota myth, before creation Wakan Tanka existed in a great emptiness called Han (darkness). Feeling lonely, he decided to create companions for himself. First, Great Spirit focused his energy into a powerful force to form Inyan (rock), the first god. Next, he used Inyan to create Maka (earth) and then mated with that god to produce Skan (sky). Skan brought forth Wi (the sun) from Inyan, Maka, and himself. These four gods were separate and powerful, but they were all part of Wakan Tanka."
Sounds familiar?? .
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"Narrow minded is a double edged sword when it comes to faith" No it's not. You're either an open minded, tolerant person or you're a narrow minded, intolerant person. What you actually believe seems to have little bearing on how tolerant or intolerant some people actually are. (and, yes I can see the irony in making such a statement about tolerance and intolerance but I believe the only thing tolerant people should not tolerate is intolerance regardless of the actual beliefs of the person being intolerant.) | |||
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"Not religious so no problem Religious people have a habit of contradicting themselves so swinging shouldn't be a problem." Do they? | |||
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Were renowned swingers bi sexual and spiritual, the difference being no real theocratic omnipotent God
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"In Native American mythology, Wakan Tanka (great mystery) is the supreme being and creator of the Lakota Sioux. Sometimes called Great Spirit, he is similar to the supreme beings found in the myths of many other North American peoples.
According to Lakota myth, before creation Wakan Tanka existed in a great emptiness called Han (darkness). Feeling lonely, he decided to create companions for himself. First, Great Spirit focused his energy into a powerful force to form Inyan (rock), the first god. Next, he used Inyan to create Maka (earth) and then mated with that god to produce Skan (sky). Skan brought forth Wi (the sun) from Inyan, Maka, and himself. These four gods were separate and powerful, but they were all part of Wakan Tanka."
Sounds familiar?? .
No?
It sounds pretty much like all old school religions.
Exactly.". I was talking about pre Abrahamic faiths... You know Zeus Apollo Thor Bacchus wanka takan... They very rarely contained Theocratic values of how to live your life, more sacrifices to keep them happy and help YOU survive, but they virtually all were forms of explaining away natural observations without science ie Thor thunder, Poseidon sea storms. The three main Abrahamic theologies differ with their omnipresent omnipotent God who's obsessed with you living your life on his terms, this God is somehow obsessed with teenage boys wanking, young couples having sex without his say so, men having sex with men... He's like the biggest voyeuristic perv going. wankan takan, won't throw you a bone for being good or put you in internal damnation for being bad.. He's way to obsessed with just being powerful. Although let's face facts the Abrahamic God wants to kill every single person on earth ... So he's genocidal as well!. So yes it does concern me as an atheist when I see someone like George bush with his finger on the trigger getting instructions from God! And it worries me very much with the fundermental Muslims too because in the end.. They all have really fucking bad doctrines and they all wanna meet there maker as soon as possible. I'll be honest if George w had said he was getting instructions from Elvis via his hairdryer and he had a very well held firm belief in this... He'd have been locked in an asylum years ago, but seen as he was getting instructions from God almighty in his sleep and he had massive faith.. Then fuck it just give him the job as president.. Yes we atheists are sick of the bullshit | |||
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" Yes we atheists are sick of the bullshit Just out of interest, do atheists get embarrassed by the fact that the states that have had atheism as the official belief system turned out to be the biggest pedlers of bullshit ever? (Soviet Union, Mao's China, North Korea) Just curious.... Absolutely not!, what have they got to be embarrassed about! " The idea that if a state got rid of religion it could be a perfect utopia - didn't really work out that way did it... | |||
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" Yes we atheists are sick of the bullshit Just out of interest, do atheists get embarrassed by the fact that the states that have had atheism as the official belief system turned out to be the biggest pedlers of bullshit ever? (Soviet Union, Mao's China, North Korea) Just curious.... Absolutely not!, what have they got to be embarrassed about! The idea that if a state got rid of religion it could be a perfect utopia - didn't really work out that way did it... " .Well not for Russia or China but then you could argue those two cultures were fucked up from way before Mao or Stalin! Or you could argue that mao is still to this day well revered by Chinese people in China, only the other day they raised a great big statue for him but again your still not grasping the point I made to you before, Stalin and mao didn't kill people BECAUSE they were atheists or in the name of atheism, they killed people because they were mad men Where as religious people nearly always kill in the name of their God and usually because your either a kuffar or you just picked the wrong God to pray too | |||
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"Thanks for the replies, any more feelings of those who feel they are religious or spiritual please?...something analogous to head vs heart but more along the lines of body vs soul if that makes any sense?! The conflict is not that I'll get struck down by lightening, etc but more to do with that deep down, I feel that what I am doing is not 'moral' . I know I am not making a lot of sense and perhaps that is why this feeling takes over sometimes only" I totally agree because that is how I feel. I am spiritual but it's more about morals than religion. I believe that swinging is morally wrong, having sex with random strangers is something to be ashamed of. My parents would be disgusted with me. However there is a part of me that relishes this conflict. I like being wicked and being involved in something taboo. I look on swinging as a secret life, a seedy life. | |||
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" Yes we atheists are sick of the bullshit Just out of interest, do atheists get embarrassed by the fact that the states that have had atheism as the official belief system turned out to be the biggest pedlers of bullshit ever? (Soviet Union, Mao's China, North Korea) Just curious.... Absolutely not!, what have they got to be embarrassed about! The idea that if a state got rid of religion it could be a perfect utopia - didn't really work out that way did it... .Well not for Russia or China but then you could argue those two cultures were fucked up from way before Mao or Stalin! Or you could argue that mao is still to this day well revered by Chinese people in China, only the other day they raised a great big statue for him but again your still not grasping the point I made to you before, Stalin and mao didn't kill people BECAUSE they were atheists or in the name of atheism, they killed people because they were mad men Where as religious people nearly always kill in the name of their God and usually because your either a kuffar or you just picked the wrong God to pray too " If you honestly believe those double standards then you've undo all your great work on ottoman thread. So just to be clear, atheist dictators only kill for politics. But religious terrorists only kill for religion. What was it you were saying earlier about evidence and reason... | |||
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"It's always laughable when these religious conflict threads start up. All the bible-bashing (or any other fairy story publication) nuts start trying to justify themselves and their contradictory behaviour. Join the BHA and set yourselves free." Always interesting on these threads that the most intolerant and judgemental people are those who consider themselves open minded atheists. I'm not a nut I just feel that my faith guides me in my life and gives me a moral compass, understanding and compassion. Believe what you want to believe (or not as the case may be) but don't judge others for their beliefs because it just makes you sound like a dick. | |||
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"It's always laughable when these religious conflict threads start up. All the bible-bashing (or any other fairy story publication) nuts start trying to justify themselves and their contradictory behaviour. Join the BHA and set yourselves free. Always interesting on these threads that the most intolerant and judgemental people are those who consider themselves open minded atheists. I'm not a nut I just feel that my faith guides me in my life and gives me a moral compass, understanding and compassion. Believe what you want to believe (or not as the case may be) but don't judge others for their beliefs because it just makes you sound like a dick." Well put | |||
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"It's always laughable when these religious conflict threads start up. All the bible-bashing (or any other fairy story publication) nuts start trying to justify themselves and their contradictory behaviour. Join the BHA and set yourselves free. Always interesting on these threads that the most intolerant and judgemental people are those who consider themselves open minded atheists. I'm not a nut I just feel that my faith guides me in my life and gives me a moral compass, understanding and compassion. Believe what you want to believe (or not as the case may be) but don't judge others for their beliefs because it just makes you sound like a dick." | |||
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"It's always laughable when these religious conflict threads start up. All the bible-bashing (or any other fairy story publication) nuts start trying to justify themselves and their contradictory behaviour. Join the BHA and set yourselves free. Always interesting on these threads that the most intolerant and judgemental people are those who consider themselves open minded atheists. I'm not a nut I just feel that my faith guides me in my life and gives me a moral compass, understanding and compassion. Believe what you want to believe (or not as the case may be) but don't judge others for their beliefs because it just makes you sound like a dick." Well said...there is no harm in any person holding onto or having any set of beliefs, whether it is an 'organised' religion, a set of spiritual/moral beliefs or just some notes on how to be a good egg scribbled on the back of a fag packet...if that person takes comfort or solace in it and it harms no one else, then it isn't anyone elses business. The OP set a fair question, but it was one that others can only answer for themselves.. | |||
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"Are any of you religious or spuritual and find it conflicts somewhat with being on this site. Im in two minds due to this and wondered if anyone else finds similar internal struggles?" I'm not religious or spiritual but I'm always at loggerheads with myself     | |||
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"It's always laughable when these religious conflict threads start up. All the bible-bashing (or any other fairy story publication) nuts start trying to justify themselves and their contradictory behaviour. Join the BHA and set yourselves free. Always interesting on these threads that the most intolerant and judgemental people are those who consider themselves open minded atheists. I'm not a nut I just feel that my faith guides me in my life and gives me a moral compass, understanding and compassion. Believe what you want to believe (or not as the case may be) but don't judge others for their beliefs because it just makes you sound like a dick."
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" Well said...there is no harm in any person holding onto or having any set of beliefs, whether it is an 'organised' religion, a set of spiritual/moral beliefs or just some notes on how to be a good egg scribbled on the back of a fag packet...if that person takes comfort or solace in it and it harms no one else, then it isn't anyone elses business. The OP set a fair question, but it was one that others can only answer for themselves.." I disagree, I can answer for others! Only kidding... This is true, we answer for ourselves but we can share our views if we like. | |||
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" Well said...there is no harm in any person holding onto or having any set of beliefs, whether it is an 'organised' religion, a set of spiritual/moral beliefs or just some notes on how to be a good egg scribbled on the back of a fag packet...if that person takes comfort or solace in it and it harms no one else, then it isn't anyone elses business. The OP set a fair question, but it was one that others can only answer for themselves.. I disagree, I can answer for others! Only kidding... This is true, we answer for ourselves but we can share our views if we like." Indeed..Unfortunately with a subject like this it can lead to disagreement. Which is a bit silly | |||
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"It's always laughable when these religious conflict threads start up. All the bible-bashing (or any other fairy story publication) nuts start trying to justify themselves and their contradictory behaviour. Join the BHA and set yourselves free. Always interesting on these threads that the most intolerant and judgemental people are those who consider themselves open minded atheists. I'm not a nut I just feel that my faith guides me in my life and gives me a moral compass, understanding and compassion. Believe what you want to believe (or not as the case may be) but don't judge others for their beliefs because it just makes you sound like a dick.
In all these kind of threads the most comments are from the non-religious people. That says it all"Shhh don't let the facts get in the way of a good stereotype. | |||
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" In all these kind of threads the most comments are from the non-religious people. That says it all" As I say its the 21st century religion...Atheism has evolved into egoism...and the head of this new religion is Mr Dawkins... | |||
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"It's always laughable when these religious conflict threads start up. All the bible-bashing (or any other fairy story publication) nuts start trying to justify themselves and their contradictory behaviour. Join the BHA and set yourselves free. Always interesting on these threads that the most intolerant and judgemental people are those who consider themselves open minded atheists. I'm not a nut I just feel that my faith guides me in my life and gives me a moral compass, understanding and compassion. Believe what you want to believe (or not as the case may be) but don't judge others for their beliefs because it just makes you sound like a dick.
In all these kind of threads the most comments are from the non-religious people. That says it all"I think it's inevitable that most responses will be from non-religious people as on a site like this there are more of them. But most (in fact all) responses pouring scorn on the beliefs or otherwise of other people are from the non-religious. | |||
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" In all these kind of threads the most comments are from the non-religious people. That says it all As I say its the 21st century religion...Atheism has evolved into egoism...and the head of this new religion is Mr Dawkins..." What I find interesting is that governments that banned religion didn't so much get rid of it, but replaced it with secular equivalents of the rituals, doctrine and festivals. I think that says a lot about human nature. | |||
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"It's always laughable when these religious conflict threads start up. All the bible-bashing (or any other fairy story publication) nuts start trying to justify themselves and their contradictory behaviour. Join the BHA and set yourselves free. Always interesting on these threads that the most intolerant and judgemental people are those who consider themselves open minded atheists. I'm not a nut I just feel that my faith guides me in my life and gives me a moral compass, understanding and compassion. Believe what you want to believe (or not as the case may be) but don't judge others for their beliefs because it just makes you sound like a dick.
In all these kind of threads the most comments are from the non-religious people. That says it all
I think it's inevitable that most responses will be from non-religious people as on a site like this there are more of them. But most (in fact all) responses pouring scorn on the beliefs or otherwise of other people are from the non-religious. "Yes, you have stated clearly what I was trying to say | |||
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"If you look back into the history of sex. ."sharing" so to speak goes back way before the bible !! It's religion that has made it supposingly immoral ...I am never in conflict with whether the big man upstairs approves ..It bothers me more if god for bid my family or children ever knew .
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Were renowned swingers bi sexual and spiritual, the difference being no real theocratic omnipotent God
No?
"In Native American mythology, Wakan Tanka (great mystery) is the supreme being and creator of the Lakota Sioux. Sometimes called Great Spirit, he is similar to the supreme beings found in the myths of many other North American peoples.
According to Lakota myth, before creation Wakan Tanka existed in a great emptiness called Han (darkness). Feeling lonely, he decided to create companions for himself. First, Great Spirit focused his energy into a powerful force to form Inyan (rock), the first god. Next, he used Inyan to create Maka (earth) and then mated with that god to produce Skan (sky). Skan brought forth Wi (the sun) from Inyan, Maka, and himself. These four gods were separate and powerful, but they were all part of Wakan Tanka."
Sounds familiar?? .
No?
It sounds pretty much like all old school religions.
No theocratic doctrine of how to live and very much a God of power which eludes in reality to explaining everyday observations like the sky and the sun and the moon or how the Indians came about without any scientific knowledge of the reality"I think that that was here point. The fact that similar concepts of God or gods exist from very diverse cultures. A good example of convergent cultural evolution if nothing else. | |||
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" The three main Abrahamic theologies differ with their omnipresent omnipotent God who's obsessed with you living your life on his terms, this God is somehow obsessed with teenage boys wanking, young couples having sex without his say so, men having sex with men... He's like the biggest voyeuristic perv going. " Hmm. I'm sorry I find that a very glib and purile view, if you are going to attack something, it might be an idea if you understand it better first or you are just erecting straw dogs, a rather meaningless exercise in my view. | |||
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"Of course they are the majority most people in the UK don't believe in god or Jesus let's face it they didn't fuck around and all you members on fab are greedy little buggers bet they're not saying their hail Mary's on Sunday after they've swallowed half a gallon of semen the previous day ???? "Actually the most common status is agnostic. The Dr Pepper of theology. | |||
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"Of course they are the majority most people in the UK don't believe in god or Jesus let's face it they didn't fuck around and all you members on fab are greedy little buggers bet they're not saying their hail Mary's on Sunday after they've swallowed half a gallon of semen the previous day ???? "You have too made a fundamental error in describing religion. The entire basis of my religion is not focussed on sexual activities and neither is my entire life | |||
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"If you look back into the history of sex. ."sharing" so to speak goes back way before the bible !! It's religion that has made it supposingly immoral ...I am never in conflict with whether the big man upstairs approves ..It bothers me more if god for bid my family or children ever knew .
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Were renowned swingers bi sexual and spiritual, the difference being no real theocratic omnipotent God
No?
"In Native American mythology, Wakan Tanka (great mystery) is the supreme being and creator of the Lakota Sioux. Sometimes called Great Spirit, he is similar to the supreme beings found in the myths of many other North American peoples.
According to Lakota myth, before creation Wakan Tanka existed in a great emptiness called Han (darkness). Feeling lonely, he decided to create companions for himself. First, Great Spirit focused his energy into a powerful force to form Inyan (rock), the first god. Next, he used Inyan to create Maka (earth) and then mated with that god to produce Skan (sky). Skan brought forth Wi (the sun) from Inyan, Maka, and himself. These four gods were separate and powerful, but they were all part of Wakan Tanka."
Sounds familiar?? .
No?
It sounds pretty much like all old school religions.
Exactly..
I was talking about pre Abrahamic faiths...
You know Zeus Apollo Thor Bacchus wanka takan...
They very rarely contained Theocratic values of how to live your life, more sacrifices to keep them happy and help YOU survive, but they virtually all were forms of explaining away natural observations without science ie Thor thunder, Poseidon sea storms.
The three main Abrahamic theologies differ with their omnipresent omnipotent God who's obsessed with you living your life on his terms, this God is somehow obsessed with teenage boys wanking, young couples having sex without his say so, men having sex with men... He's like the biggest voyeuristic perv going.
wankan takan, won't throw you a bone for being good or put you in internal damnation for being bad.. He's way to obsessed with just being powerful.
Although let's face facts the Abrahamic God wants to kill every single person on earth ... So he's genocidal as well!.
So yes it does concern me as an atheist when I see someone like George bush with his finger on the trigger getting instructions from God!
And it worries me very much with the fundermental Muslims too because in the end.. They all have really fucking bad doctrines and they all wanna meet there maker as soon as possible.
I'll be honest if George w had said he was getting instructions from Elvis via his hairdryer and he had a very well held firm belief in this... He'd have been locked in an asylum years ago, but seen as he was getting instructions from God almighty in his sleep and he had massive faith.. Then fuck it just give him the job as president..
Yes we atheists are sick of the bullshit"Maybe you should spend a bit of time listening to people who do believe. You may well find that don't believe any of what you seem to think they all believe. I can see this thread is now starting to go down the normal route of intolerant atheists telling those who profess any believe exactly what they do believe and then condemning them for believing it. The fact that those who do believe something keep telling them that that is not what they actually believe seems to go totally over their heads. Now that's what I call really narrow minded and real intolerance. | |||
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You have too made a fundamental error in describing religion. The entire basis of my religion is not focussed on sexual activities and neither is my entire life"Catholicism is the most restrictive of western religions and sexual promiscuity is frowned upon is it not ? | |||
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"If you look back into the history of sex. ."sharing" so to speak goes back way before the bible !! It's religion that has made it supposingly immoral ...I am never in conflict with whether the big man upstairs approves ..It bothers me more if god for bid my family or children ever knew .
Native American Indians
Were renowned swingers bi sexual and spiritual, the difference being no real theocratic omnipotent God
No?
"In Native American mythology, Wakan Tanka (great mystery) is the supreme being and creator of the Lakota Sioux. Sometimes called Great Spirit, he is similar to the supreme beings found in the myths of many other North American peoples.
According to Lakota myth, before creation Wakan Tanka existed in a great emptiness called Han (darkness). Feeling lonely, he decided to create companions for himself. First, Great Spirit focused his energy into a powerful force to form Inyan (rock), the first god. Next, he used Inyan to create Maka (earth) and then mated with that god to produce Skan (sky). Skan brought forth Wi (the sun) from Inyan, Maka, and himself. These four gods were separate and powerful, but they were all part of Wakan Tanka."
Sounds familiar?? .
No?
It sounds pretty much like all old school religions.
Exactly..
I was talking about pre Abrahamic faiths...
You know Zeus Apollo Thor Bacchus wanka takan...
They very rarely contained Theocratic values of how to live your life, more sacrifices to keep them happy and help YOU survive, but they virtually all were forms of explaining away natural observations without science ie Thor thunder, Poseidon sea storms.
The three main Abrahamic theologies differ with their omnipresent omnipotent God who's obsessed with you living your life on his terms, this God is somehow obsessed with teenage boys wanking, young couples having sex without his say so, men having sex with men... He's like the biggest voyeuristic perv going.
wankan takan, won't throw you a bone for being good or put you in internal damnation for being bad.. He's way to obsessed with just being powerful.
Although let's face facts the Abrahamic God wants to kill every single person on earth ... So he's genocidal as well!.
So yes it does concern me as an atheist when I see someone like George bush with his finger on the trigger getting instructions from God!
And it worries me very much with the fundermental Muslims too because in the end.. They all have really fucking bad doctrines and they all wanna meet there maker as soon as possible.
I'll be honest if George w had said he was getting instructions from Elvis via his hairdryer and he had a very well held firm belief in this... He'd have been locked in an asylum years ago, but seen as he was getting instructions from God almighty in his sleep and he had massive faith.. Then fuck it just give him the job as president..
Yes we atheists are sick of the bullshit
Maybe you should spend a bit of time listening to people who do believe. You may well find that don't believe any of what you seem to think they all believe.
I can see this thread is now starting to go down the normal route of intolerant atheists telling those who profess any believe exactly what they do believe and then condemning them for believing it. The fact that those who do believe something keep telling them that that is not what they actually believe seems to go totally over their heads.
Now that's what I call really narrow minded and real intolerance."Yup - that's what I call Dawkinism! | |||
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You have too made a fundamental error in describing religion. The entire basis of my religion is not focussed on sexual activities and neither is my entire life Catholicism is the most restrictive of western religions and sexual promiscuity is frowned upon is it not ? "What percentage of the New Testament are you quoting? 0.5%? Less than that? I have another 99.9% of my life to live too My religion is a 'guide book'; not a 'rule book' | |||
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"If you look back into the history of sex. ."sharing" so to speak goes back way before the bible !! It's religion that has made it supposingly immoral ...I am never in conflict with whether the big man upstairs approves ..It bothers me more if god for bid my family or children ever knew .
Native American Indians
Were renowned swingers bi sexual and spiritual, the difference being no real theocratic omnipotent God
No?
"In Native American mythology, Wakan Tanka (great mystery) is the supreme being and creator of the Lakota Sioux. Sometimes called Great Spirit, he is similar to the supreme beings found in the myths of many other North American peoples.
According to Lakota myth, before creation Wakan Tanka existed in a great emptiness called Han (darkness). Feeling lonely, he decided to create companions for himself. First, Great Spirit focused his energy into a powerful force to form Inyan (rock), the first god. Next, he used Inyan to create Maka (earth) and then mated with that god to produce Skan (sky). Skan brought forth Wi (the sun) from Inyan, Maka, and himself. These four gods were separate and powerful, but they were all part of Wakan Tanka."
Sounds familiar?? .
No?
It sounds pretty much like all old school religions.
Exactly..
I was talking about pre Abrahamic faiths...
You know Zeus Apollo Thor Bacchus wanka takan...
They very rarely contained Theocratic values of how to live your life, more sacrifices to keep them happy and help YOU survive, but they virtually all were forms of explaining away natural observations without science ie Thor thunder, Poseidon sea storms.
The three main Abrahamic theologies differ with their omnipresent omnipotent God who's obsessed with you living your life on his terms, this God is somehow obsessed with teenage boys wanking, young couples having sex without his say so, men having sex with men... He's like the biggest voyeuristic perv going.
wankan takan, won't throw you a bone for being good or put you in internal damnation for being bad.. He's way to obsessed with just being powerful.
Although let's face facts the Abrahamic God wants to kill every single person on earth ... So he's genocidal as well!.
So yes it does concern me as an atheist when I see someone like George bush with his finger on the trigger getting instructions from God!
And it worries me very much with the fundermental Muslims too because in the end.. They all have really fucking bad doctrines and they all wanna meet there maker as soon as possible.
I'll be honest if George w had said he was getting instructions from Elvis via his hairdryer and he had a very well held firm belief in this... He'd have been locked in an asylum years ago, but seen as he was getting instructions from God almighty in his sleep and he had massive faith.. Then fuck it just give him the job as president..
Yes we atheists are sick of the bullshit
Maybe you should spend a bit of time listening to people who do believe. You may well find that don't believe any of what you seem to think they all believe.
I can see this thread is now starting to go down the normal route of intolerant atheists telling those who profess any believe exactly what they do believe and then condemning them for believing it. The fact that those who do believe something keep telling them that that is not what they actually believe seems to go totally over their heads.
Now that's what I call really narrow minded and real intolerance."look although I'm not religious I do believe ,I believe in the process of natural evolution ,I personally don't care who you fuck ,fucking someone doesn't make you a bad person not making that person cum makes you a bad fucker mind | |||
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"It's always laughable when these religious conflict threads start up. All the bible-bashing (or any other fairy story publication) nuts start trying to justify themselves and their contradictory behaviour. Join the BHA and set yourselves free." I've mot seem anyone doing that on this thread. Maybe you could point out were or who has done that? | |||
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" Yes we atheists are sick of the bullshit Just out of interest, do atheists get embarrassed by the fact that the states that have had atheism as the official belief system turned out to be the biggest pedlers of bullshit ever? (Soviet Union, Mao's China, North Korea) Just curious.... Absolutely not!, what have they got to be embarrassed about! You can't have atheism as an official belief system, how can you belive in a non belief, the word atheism is ridiculous anyhow.. I don't belive in anything that has no evidence to support that belief... People don't have to declare themselves non santarists.. Oh I don't belive in Santa.. What you idiot, don't you feel embarrassed that countries that don't have Santa have been corrupt!! Err no. There's no evidence to suggest that any crazy death cults in the world killed there own citizens because they didn't have a God to belive in. However there's plenty to suggest that those that do belive in a God are quite willing to fly a plane into sky scrappers, behead aid workers and get 5 year old children to kill the kafir! That's just rubbish. Communism and fascism killed more people in the last century than had been killed in all religious wars in the previous 2000 years. Both claim to be atheist ideologies. " As I pointed out earlier! The response is "ah well that's different" - (its not) | |||
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"So to summarise most of the posts on tbis thread, atheism = good and any and every form of religion = bad, with that argument based on heavy misuse and borderline obsession with the Old Testament and an excessive use of exclamation marks. Yeah the folk who hold beliefs really sound like the nuts here. " If an idiot does something bad but claims God told them to do it, it must be the religion that made them do it. If an idiot does something bad but happens to be an atheist. It can't possibly be anything to do with their beliefs. | |||
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You have too made a fundamental error in describing religion. The entire basis of my religion is not focussed on sexual activities and neither is my entire life Catholicism is the most restrictive of western religions and sexual promiscuity is frowned upon is it not ? "Well it's definitely not the most restrictive western religion. You should spend more time in Southern Europe. | |||
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" My religion is a 'guide book'; not a 'rule book'" I like this way of viewing what religion means to you, well said. | |||
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" It's how people practice religion that matters not the concept. In principle it usually preaches kindness,forgiveness and acceptance. It also preaches reflection which is why some debate their moral stance if they believe and indulge. To suggest religion is the cause of problems in my opinion is wrong...it's mankind's interpretation of it that's the problem." well said | |||
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"So to summarise most of the posts on tbis thread, atheism = good and any and every form of religion = bad, with that argument based on heavy misuse and borderline obsession with the Old Testament and an excessive use of exclamation marks. Yeah the folk who hold beliefs really sound like the nuts here. If an idiot does something bad but claims God told them to do it, it must be the religion that made them do it. If an idiot does something bad but happens to be an atheist. It can't possibly be anything to do with their beliefs. " That is how it appears Atheists claim (and please correct me if I am wrong) that they are extremly rational and logical people. They then go on to prove the creation of the universe using nothing but a theory. There is no hard evidence supporting that theory and therefore relying on it is a belief It so happens that I too rely on the same theory but also attempt to integrate it within my religion. And thus far, I have had no problem taking several scientific theories and integrating these into my faith | |||
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"So to summarise most of the posts on tbis thread, atheism = good and any and every form of religion = bad, with that argument based on heavy misuse and borderline obsession with the Old Testament and an excessive use of exclamation marks. Yeah the folk who hold beliefs really sound like the nuts here. If an idiot does something bad but claims God told them to do it, it must be the religion that made them do it. If an idiot does something bad but happens to be an atheist. It can't possibly be anything to do with their beliefs. That is how it appears Atheists claim (and please correct me if I am wrong) that they are extremly rational and logical people. They then go on to prove the creation of the universe using nothing but a theory. There is no hard evidence supporting that theory and therefore relying on it is a belief It so happens that I too rely on the same theory but also attempt to integrate it within my religion. And thus far, I have had no problem taking several scientific theories and integrating these into my faith" Well it got integrated in 1950 so I'd be worried if there were still problems... | |||
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" It's how people practice religion that matters not the concept. In principle it usually preaches kindness,forgiveness and acceptance. It also preaches reflection which is why some debate their moral stance if they believe and indulge. To suggest religion is the cause of problems in my opinion is wrong...it's mankind's interpretation of it that's the problem." . Well said . I prefer to concentrate on all the good points of religion . The benefits vastly exceed any negative aspects of it. | |||
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"Are any of you religious or spuritual and find it conflicts somewhat with being on this site. Im in two minds due to this and wondered if anyone else finds similar internal struggles?" so now you've heard our wisdom are you going to give up fab and be a good boy ? | |||
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"Of course they are the majority most people in the UK don't believe in god or Jesus let's face it they didn't fuck around and all you members on fab are greedy little buggers bet they're not saying their hail Mary's on Sunday after they've swallowed half a gallon of semen the previous day ????
You have too made a fundamental error in describing religion. The entire basis of my religion is not focussed on sexual activities and neither is my entire life Catholicism is the most restrictive of western religions and sexual promiscuity is frowned upon is it not ? ". How can Catholicism be the most destructive of western religions ?. I think various other faiths are stricter , not that your faith should have any real correlation to your sexual activities . I prefer to concentrate on all the good points of religion, of which there are many . | |||
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" It's how people practice religion that matters not the concept. In principle it usually preaches kindness,forgiveness and acceptance. It also preaches reflection which is why some debate their moral stance if they believe and indulge. To suggest religion is the cause of problems in my opinion is wrong...it's mankind's interpretation of it that's the problem." Mankind created religion, so whatever mankind says religion is - that's what it is. Religion, spirituality and all that palaver are totally unquantifiable so they are whatever the individual decides they are to them. Everybody makes up their own rules when it comes to morality - some assign their sense of morals to a religion or spirituality, some to themselves. | |||
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"So to summarise most of the posts on tbis thread, atheism = good and any and every form of religion = bad, with that argument based on heavy misuse and borderline obsession with the Old Testament and an excessive use of exclamation marks. Yeah the folk who hold beliefs really sound like the nuts here. If an idiot does something bad but claims God told them to do it, it must be the religion that made them do it. If an idiot does something bad but happens to be an atheist. It can't possibly be anything to do with their beliefs. That is how it appears Atheists claim (and please correct me if I am wrong) that they are extremly rational and logical people. They then go on to prove the creation of the universe using nothing but a theory. There is no hard evidence supporting that theory and therefore relying on it is a belief It so happens that I too rely on the same theory but also attempt to integrate it within my religion. And thus far, I have had no problem taking several scientific theories and integrating these into my faith" Yes you are wrong xxx Many Humans claim they are logical and rational, those that know a god exists , those that know a god does not exist , those that know it cannot be proven either way, some that have no idea xx (know is used tongue in cheek) Some humans belive one or many scientific theories,that have been proposed, some are atheists and some are theists Atheists have no doctrine Atheists have no guide book to follow Atheists by definition need to have Only one criteria and that is not to belive any of the proposed god concepts are the exact truth I for example as an atheist do Not think there is enough data to conclude our universe was once a singularity I do understand the maths and observations that lead to that theory I do however feel some of our religous members on this site are a tad dishonest when declaring their position of belief Why ? A Muslim is not a christian , yet they both believe in the same god and believe in a Jesus A c of e is NOT a Catholic, not by my defining but by their very own the same as a methodist is NOT a jw The schisms and the labeling, does not come from none belivers it comes from the belivers subscribing to a specifically written doctrine to which they feel identifies themselves Often on such forums the self proclaimed identity is hidden with a vague (well my religion just means I think a god exist and I follow a my ideas that are good and loving) That's lovely that has a nice definition called Theism To be a xtian, without any other label a c of e version or a Catholic version, or a Mormon, sounds lovely (we just think our path to gods salvation is through loving christ) but that(loving) is indeed subject to interpretations of what one has read in a book refering to what would please said god or christ How many xtians ignore some of the first words of their beloved christ which pretty much say "I have not to change the old law (meaning old test blood cultism) but to uphold it" yet still maintain all they do is worship god through Christ with zero conditions rules or baggage is amazing Some humans have ridiculous beliefs, some are atheist some are theist but difference between most theists and none belivers is belivers to honestly assert they are X (for example sunny Muslims) have to subscribe to rather a complex belief doctrine , if they do not then they become something other , a sunny Muslim can't claim to be a Catholic. Without changing specific beliefs or adherence Where as none belivers have zero common thread or doctrine other than their non belief, granted some may coincidently share some opinion , but to make any assumptions would be a clear fallacy We know a kosher jew will be following specific parameters to their lives We know no such data about a person if all we know is they are non beliver Xxx | |||
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"So the ops original dilemma is fab versus faith have we digressed does fucking everything that moves conflict with religion and its written word as you know it ,I think it does ,does fucking everything that moves make you a bad person in my eyes no but the Lords I think yes "First of all, I do not f**k everything which moves. But for this discussion, that is besides the point I will try and explain this using an analogy I have been convicted for speeding on your motorways on more than one occasion. Technically, I am now a law-breaker. However, that does not now mean that I loose all hope of ever reintegrating back into decent society and add theft and murder to my record The above is not a very good example but it works My religion forbids me sex outside of marriage with a man only. I can now do one of the two things. Have a conversation with me creator when my time comes and hope that he will show me mercy and forgive me because of all the other half-decent things I have done in my life. Or I can throw in the towel and commit every sin and crime on the planet and then be guaranteed a long spell in purgatory hell | |||
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"So the ops original dilemma is fab versus faith have we digressed does fucking everything that moves conflict with religion and its written word as you know it ,I think it does ,does fucking everything that moves make you a bad person in my eyes no but the Lords I think yes
First of all, I do not f**k everything which moves. But for this discussion, that is besides the point
I will try and explain this using an analogy
I have been convicted for speeding on your motorways on more than one occasion. Technically, I am now a law-breaker. However, that does not now mean that I loose all hope of ever reintegrating back into decent society and add theft and murder to my record
The above is not a very good example but it works
My religion forbids me sex outside of marriage with a man only. I can now do one of the two things. Have a conversation with me creator when my time comes and hope that he will show me mercy and forgive me because of all the other half-decent things I have done in my life. Or I can throw in the towel and commit every sin and crime on the planet and then be guaranteed a long spell in purgatory hell"So on a right or wrong scale you feel the creator thinks multiple sexual partners is wrong You realise many xtians on this site think you are wrong ? | |||
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"So the ops original dilemma is fab versus faith have we digressed does fucking everything that moves conflict with religion and its written word as you know it ,I think it does ,does fucking everything that moves make you a bad person in my eyes no but the Lords I think yes
First of all, I do not f**k everything which moves. But for this discussion, that is besides the point
I will try and explain this using an analogy
I have been convicted for speeding on your motorways on more than one occasion. Technically, I am now a law-breaker. However, that does not now mean that I loose all hope of ever reintegrating back into decent society and add theft and murder to my record
The above is not a very good example but it works
My religion forbids me sex outside of marriage with a man only. I can now do one of the two things. Have a conversation with me creator when my time comes and hope that he will show me mercy and forgive me because of all the other half-decent things I have done in my life. Or I can throw in the towel and commit every sin and crime on the planet and then be guaranteed a long spell in purgatory hell
So on a right or wrong scale you feel the creator thinks multiple sexual partners is wrong
You realise many xtians on this site think you are wrong ?"Not only is having sex with anyone other than an opposite sex partner outside of marriage, wrong; pushing someone out of the way is wrong too. I did that on Monday as I was getting late for work and the person in front of me on the tube was taking their own sweet time disembarking On the matter of having multiple sex partners, I am only answerable to God On the matter of pushing someone out of the way and had they been injured, I would be answerable to the plod too | |||
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" Yes we atheists are sick of the bullshit Just out of interest, do atheists get embarrassed by the fact that the states that have had atheism as the official belief system turned out to be the biggest pedlers of bullshit ever? (Soviet Union, Mao's China, North Korea) Just curious.... Absolutely not!, what have they got to be embarrassed about! You can't have atheism as an official belief system, how can you belive in a non belief, the word atheism is ridiculous anyhow.. I don't belive in anything that has no evidence to support that belief... People don't have to declare themselves non santarists.. Oh I don't belive in Santa.. What you idiot, don't you feel embarrassed that countries that don't have Santa have been corrupt!! Err no. There's no evidence to suggest that any crazy death cults in the world killed there own citizens because they didn't have a God to belive in. However there's plenty to suggest that those that do belive in a God are quite willing to fly a plane into sky scrappers, behead aid workers and get 5 year old children to kill the kafir! That's just rubbish. Communism and fascism killed more people in the last century than had been killed in all religious wars in the previous 2000 years. Both claim to be atheist ideologies. . Fascism ,what in the 20th century.. Are you having a laugh, you can pretty much take out the word fascism and replace it with fundermental Catholicism and you'd be more accurate!. Communism, an ideology run almost exclusively by maniacs who claimed to be atheist, so fucking what, some claimed to be vegetarian some tee totalers, they didn't murder their citizens in the name of vegetarianism or atheism, Stalin wasn't even that much of an atheist, he was a politicised atheist, he knew it was a power struggle in leadership and it was either him or the church, so the church had to go, mao mostly starved his own people to death in a failed economic idea but no he didn't murder then per se in the name of atheism, you can't murder people through atheism, your just taking utter nonsense, it has no doctrine, no leader, no church's, no good book... Honestly you've got a piss poor idea of history if you honestly think the crusades, Palestine,, northern Ireland, and the middle Eastern conflicts are anything at all like the communists experiments in Russia or China. " You've got a piss poor understanding of history if you are going to refer to events that happened before the separation of Church and State and say you can identify them as specifically religious! | |||
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"Always amazing to listen to declared hedonists and libertines trying to justify 2000 years of madness, murder, mayhem, mysoginy, intolerance, torture et al all done in the (made up) name(s) of various imaginary deities. And then trying to claim all the mad murderous fuckers like Hitler, Stalin etc were Atheists to counter the above? Wtf. " I have not and will not justify any madness, murder, mayhem, misogyny, intolerance, torture et al whether committed in the name of religion or any other ideology or cause. In fact quite the opposite. I have consistently said that evil is done by many people whether they claim to have a religious faith or not. I, as a person who does believe in a god (that god being God) am no more responsible for the actions of others who may claim to believe in the same god or another or non than you or anyone else is. The real danger to us all, regardless what we believe, is intolerance and a refusal to accept others for who and what they are. In the real world the threat of intolerance does seem to come more from people of faith than those of little or non. However, as is often shown on this site and throughout history, those of no belief or faith are far from immune from being extremely intolerant themselves. | |||
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"Are any of you religious or spuritual and find it conflicts somewhat with being on this site. Im in two minds due to this and wondered if anyone else finds similar internal struggles?" Cant say I have no | |||
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" Yes we atheists are sick of the bullshit Just out of interest, do atheists get embarrassed by the fact that the states that have had atheism as the official belief system turned out to be the biggest pedlers of bullshit ever? (Soviet Union, Mao's China, North Korea) Just curious.... Absolutely not!, what have they got to be embarrassed about! You can't have atheism as an official belief system, how can you belive in a non belief, the word atheism is ridiculous anyhow.. I don't belive in anything that has no evidence to support that belief... People don't have to declare themselves non santarists.. Oh I don't belive in Santa.. What you idiot, don't you feel embarrassed that countries that don't have Santa have been corrupt!! Err no. There's no evidence to suggest that any crazy death cults in the world killed there own citizens because they didn't have a God to belive in. However there's plenty to suggest that those that do belive in a God are quite willing to fly a plane into sky scrappers, behead aid workers and get 5 year old children to kill the kafir! That's just rubbish. Communism and fascism killed more people in the last century than had been killed in all religious wars in the previous 2000 years. Both claim to be atheist ideologies. . Fascism ,what in the 20th century.. Are you having a laugh, you can pretty much take out the word fascism and replace it with fundermental Catholicism and you'd be more accurate!. Communism, an ideology run almost exclusively by maniacs who claimed to be atheist, so fucking what, some claimed to be vegetarian some tee totalers, they didn't murder their citizens in the name of vegetarianism or atheism, Stalin wasn't even that much of an atheist, he was a politicised atheist, he knew it was a power struggle in leadership and it was either him or the church, so the church had to go, mao mostly starved his own people to death in a failed economic idea but no he didn't murder then per se in the name of atheism, you can't murder people through atheism, your just taking utter nonsense, it has no doctrine, no leader, no church's, no good book... Honestly you've got a piss poor idea of history if you honestly think the crusades, Palestine,, northern Ireland, and the middle Eastern conflicts are anything at all like the communists experiments in Russia or China. You've got a piss poor understanding of history if you are going to refer to events that happened before the separation of Church and State and say you can identify them as specifically religious! " . But I haven't done that!. What your attempting to do is manipulate your viewpoint to fit in your ideology. There's NO evidence that Stalin, mao or pol pot murdered anyone in the NAME of atheism... They were atheists, I'll grant you, but you can't say they murdered people because of their non brief in a God anymore than you could say they murdered them because they liked cheese on a Friday!. | |||
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"I am/should be very religious due to upbringing and I do find find myself conflicted from time to time. I am either in the O Lord, I shouldn't be doing this state or in the, heck, I really couldn't care less state... It is a cycle of pleasure, then guilt, then indifference, then more pleasure seeking... " | |||
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"So to summarise most of the posts on tbis thread, atheism = good and any and every form of religion = bad, with that argument based on heavy misuse and borderline obsession with the Old Testament and an excessive use of exclamation marks. Yeah the folk who hold beliefs really sound like the nuts here. If an idiot does something bad but claims God told them to do it, it must be the religion that made them do it. If an idiot does something bad but happens to be an atheist. It can't possibly be anything to do with their beliefs. That is how it appears Atheists claim (and please correct me if I am wrong) that they are extremly rational and logical people. They then go on to prove the creation of the universe using nothing but a theory. There is no hard evidence supporting that theory and therefore relying on it is a belief It so happens that I too rely on the same theory but also attempt to integrate it within my religion. And thus far, I have had no problem taking several scientific theories and integrating these into my faith Yes you are wrong xxx Many Humans claim they are logical and rational, those that know a god exists , those that know a god does not exist , those that know it cannot be proven either way, some that have no idea xx (know is used tongue in cheek) Some humans belive one or many scientific theories,that have been proposed, some are atheists and some are theists Atheists have no doctrine Atheists have no guide book to follow Atheists by definition need to have Only one criteria and that is not to belive any of the proposed god concepts are the exact truth I for example as an atheist do Not think there is enough data to conclude our universe was once a singularity I do understand the maths and observations that lead to that theory I do however feel some of our religous members on this site are a tad dishonest when declaring their position of belief Why ? A Muslim is not a christian , yet they both believe in the same god and believe in a Jesus A c of e is NOT a Catholic, not by my defining but by their very own the same as a methodist is NOT a jw The schisms and the labeling, does not come from none belivers it comes from the belivers subscribing to a specifically written doctrine to which they feel identifies themselves Often on such forums the self proclaimed identity is hidden with a vague (well my religion just means I think a god exist and I follow a my ideas that are good and loving) That's lovely that has a nice definition called Theism To be a xtian, without any other label a c of e version or a Catholic version, or a Mormon, sounds lovely (we just think our path to gods salvation is through loving christ) but that(loving) is indeed subject to interpretations of what one has read in a book refering to what would please said god or christ How many xtians ignore some of the first words of their beloved christ which pretty much say "I have not to change the old law (meaning old test blood cultism) but to uphold it" yet still maintain all they do is worship god through Christ with zero conditions rules or baggage is amazing Some humans have ridiculous beliefs, some are atheist some are theist but difference between most theists and none belivers is belivers to honestly assert they are X (for example sunny Muslims) have to subscribe to rather a complex belief doctrine , if they do not then they become something other , a sunny Muslim can't claim to be a Catholic. Without changing specific beliefs or adherence Where as none belivers have zero common thread or doctrine other than their non belief, granted some may coincidently share some opinion , but to make any assumptions would be a clear fallacy We know a kosher jew will be following specific parameters to their lives We know no such data about a person if all we know is they are non beliver Xxx " You know I'm not going to totally agree with what you say ever probably but on this occasion, while still not agreeing with everything you've said, I think you've put it across in quite clearly and reasonably on this occasion. | |||
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" There's no evidence to suggest that any crazy death cults in the world killed there own citizens because they didn't have a God to belive in. However there's plenty to suggest that those that do belive in a God are quite willing to fly a plane into sky scrappers, behead aid workers and get 5 year old children to kill the kafir! That's just rubbish. Communism and fascism killed more people in the last century than had been killed in all religious wars in the previous 2000 years. Both claim to be atheist ideologies. " . Fascism ,what in the 20th century.. Are you having a laugh, you can pretty much take out the word fascism and replace it with fundermental Catholicism and you'd be more accurate!. " I don't think you can actually. Some fascists may well have also been Catholic, others may well have been other Christian faiths such as Orthodox in Greece or Lutheran in Northern Germany, others may well have been Muslim such as the Shah of Iran or even ISIS now, some, and especially the leadership in Nazi Germany, were openly atheist. Both Communism and Fascism are ideologies that do not rely on the existence of a deity and, as such, are a-theist ideologies. That does not, in and of itself, make then any better or worse than any other ideology but it is a fact. " Communism, an ideology run almost exclusively by maniacs who claimed to be atheist, so fucking what, some claimed to be vegetarian some tee totalers, they didn't murder their citizens in the name of vegetarianism or atheism, Stalin wasn't even that much of an atheist, he was a politicised atheist, he knew it was a power struggle in leadership and it was either him or the church, so the church had to go, mao mostly starved his own people to death in a failed economic idea but no he didn't murder then per se in the name of atheism, you can't murder people through atheism, " I'm sure the over 50,000,000 people who dies at their hands will be thankful of that rather irrelevant fact. "your just taking utter nonsense, it has no doctrine, no leader, no church's, no good book... " Accept a 'Little Red Book', 'Mien Kempf' and 'Das Kapital' but we'll just forget about those. " Honestly you've got a piss poor idea of history if you honestly think the crusades, Palestine,, northern Ireland, and the middle Eastern conflicts are anything at all like the communists experiments in Russia or China. " If you really believe that the conflicts in Northern Ireland or Palestine have or had anything to do with religion then you have seriously misunderstood what was and is going on in those conflicts. In Northern Ireland most of the leadership of the Sinn Fien are openly atheist (but from the Catholic community), many non Catholic Christians are in favour of a united independent Ireland and a lot of Catholics are in favour of keeping the Union. You really need to look more deeply at things before you use them as examples. | |||
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