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"passports and driving licenses should not state if the holder is male or female because it causes 'problems' for transgender people re bbc tele text news now" Why does it cause problems they just have thier info changed. It's an identification document before anything else so it's an important peice of information to help prevent fraud, theft and forgaries | |||
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"passports and driving licenses should not state if the holder is male or female because it causes 'problems' for transgender people re bbc tele text news now" I find this really surprising. I thought tele text finished years ago. | |||
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"Whilst I am one of the most liberal and understanding people out there, there has to be a point with identity/security issues where a blank "no" has to be the answer - even if it offends. For example there is a country that banned anything more than a triple barrelled name. Double barrelled are far more popular now, and they were find identity issues where individuals had 4 surnames. They capped it. Is it ridiculous for the individual, yes. Does it cause a nightmare for police trying to track someone who uses a different combo of surnames all the time? Also yes. Whilst a person's gender shouldn't matter, being able to effectively half a suspect pool is a pretty handy thing to be able to do. Governments will never allow us to do something that could potentially give us the upper hand."  | |||
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"passports and driving licenses should not state if the holder is male or female because it causes 'problems' for transgender people re bbc tele text news now I find this really surprising. I thought tele text finished years ago. " bbc teletext news politics section | |||
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"passports and driving licenses should not state if the holder is male or female because it causes 'problems' for transgender people re bbc tele text news now" PC gone mad and then a bit further Male or Female only; if you are born the wrong sex then choose the correct sex | |||
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"It sounds like someone is trying to create a problem where one doesn't really exist. A vast majority of the population identify as either male or female, so the problems only affect a very tiny percentage of the population." Oh, so they don't matter then- like disabled or black being a tiny percentage.? Take it you are in the large percentage then.lol | |||
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"passports and driving licenses should not state if the holder is male or female because it causes 'problems' for transgender people re bbc tele text news now PC gone mad and then a bit further Male or Female only; if you are born the wrong sex then choose the correct sex" Nonsense. | |||
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"passports and driving licenses should not state if the holder is male or female because it causes 'problems' for transgender people re bbc tele text news now PC gone mad and then a bit further Male or Female only; if you are born the wrong sex then choose the correct sexNonsense." Nonsense for you but not to perhaps 99% of the population There are only two sexes; male or female; call yourself whatever you will but that does not mean the the vast majority of us have to suffer this PC bullsh*t heaped upon us | |||
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"Whilst I am one of the most liberal and understanding people out there, there has to be a point with identity/security issues where a blank "no" has to be the answer - even if it offends. For example there is a country that banned anything more than a triple barrelled name. Double barrelled are far more popular now, and they were find identity issues where individuals had 4 surnames. They capped it. Is it ridiculous for the individual, yes. Does it cause a nightmare for police trying to track someone who uses a different combo of surnames all the time? Also yes. Whilst a person's gender shouldn't matter, being able to effectively half a suspect pool is a pretty handy thing to be able to do. Governments will never allow us to do something that could potentially give us the upper hand. Good idea. Fingerprint everyone, keep DNA records for all, make medical records freely available to employers,insurance companies,etc. Tattoo nat insurance numbers on babies from birth. That will help the police- oh no, sorry- they will still be too busy patrolling dogging areas.lol. Be careful what you wish for. 1030's Germany had some great 'national safety' ideas... " | |||
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"passports and driving licenses should not state if the holder is male or female because it causes 'problems' for transgender people re bbc tele text news now PC gone mad and then a bit further Male or Female only; if you are born the wrong sex then choose the correct sexNonsense. Nonsense for you but not to perhaps 99% of the population There are only two sexes; male or female; call yourself whatever you will but that does not mean the the vast majority of us have to suffer this PC bullsh*t heaped upon us" Oh another transphobic/hate minoraties post- no, to correct you, 99% DONT agree with you lol.Bigots are fairly rare now- will be a protected species soon.As for PC bullshit- that translates into- shit, I'm dumb.lol | |||
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"Oh I think anyone who wants ID documents giving a gender are quite welcome providing I can demand visual proof that it matchs their genitals. Get yer bits out" When you start issuing these documents which anyone cares about, then you can start making such demands Until then, either obtain a passport and select a sex from either male or female or don't apply for one. I don't mind if another category for you is added: Transgender; you can then select that, if you wish | |||
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"passports and driving licenses should not state if the holder is male or female because it causes 'problems' for transgender people re bbc tele text news now PC gone mad and then a bit further Male or Female only; if you are born the wrong sex then choose the correct sexNonsense. Nonsense for you but not to perhaps 99% of the population There are only two sexes; male or female; call yourself whatever you will but that does not mean the the vast majority of us have to suffer this PC bullsh*t heaped upon usOh another transphobic/hate minoraties post- no, to correct you, 99% DONT agree with you lol.Bigots are fairly rare now- will be a protected species soon.As for PC bullshit- that translates into- shit, I'm dumb.lol" There is nothing transphobic about what I wrote and 99% do agree with me because they are either male or female; you may not think you are male but are female and you have been given a choice to select your gender as female, if that is who you feel you are But don't pile your problems onto me and others | |||
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"Oh I think anyone who wants ID documents giving a gender are quite welcome providing I can demand visual proof that it matchs their genitals. Get yer bits out When you start issuing these documents which anyone cares about, then you can start making such demands Until then, either obtain a passport and select a sex from either male or female or don't apply for one. I don't mind if another category for you is added: Transgender; you can then select that, if you wish" How kind of you. | |||
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"Oh I think anyone who wants ID documents giving a gender are quite welcome providing I can demand visual proof that it matchs their genitals. Get yer bits out" That wouldn't help me. I identify as a woman who's had gender reassignment procedures to male. Even though i was born with a "male" body. | |||
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"Oh I think anyone who wants ID documents giving a gender are quite welcome providing I can demand visual proof that it matchs their genitals. Get yer bits out When you start issuing these documents which anyone cares about, then you can start making such demands Until then, either obtain a passport and select a sex from either male or female or don't apply for one. I don't mind if another category for you is added: Transgender; you can then select that, if you wishHow kind of you." Yes, it bloody well is; accept it graciously | |||
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"Oh I think anyone who wants ID documents giving a gender are quite welcome providing I can demand visual proof that it matchs their genitals. Get yer bits out That wouldn't help me. I identify as a woman who's had gender reassignment procedures to male. Even though i was born with a "male" body. " Oh f**k off, you  | |||
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"passports and driving licenses should not state if the holder is male or female because it causes 'problems' for transgender people re bbc tele text news now PC gone mad and then a bit further Male or Female only; if you are born the wrong sex then choose the correct sexNonsense. Nonsense for you but not to perhaps 99% of the population There are only two sexes; male or female; call yourself whatever you will but that does not mean the the vast majority of us have to suffer this PC bullsh*t heaped upon usOh another transphobic/hate minoraties post- no, to correct you, 99% DONT agree with you lol.Bigots are fairly rare now- will be a protected species soon.As for PC bullshit- that translates into- shit, I'm dumb.lol There is nothing transphobic about what I wrote and 99% do agree with me because they are either male or female; you may not think you are male but are female and you have been given a choice to select your gender as female, if that is who you feel you are But don't pile your problems onto me and others" Wow-spittin vemon. my problems? I dont work, I drive a £40 car, own 2 houses- who are you to tell me I've got problems?? (except bigots, an I hate them). Who mare the 'others' you speak so generously for?? 99% agree with you? grow up.Lol | |||
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"If they were made biometric gender wouldn't come into it. " Exactly.xxx | |||
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"Oh I think anyone who wants ID documents giving a gender are quite welcome providing I can demand visual proof that it matchs their genitals. Get yer bits out When you start issuing these documents which anyone cares about, then you can start making such demands Until then, either obtain a passport and select a sex from either male or female or don't apply for one. I don't mind if another category for you is added: Transgender; you can then select that, if you wishHow kind of you. Yes, it bloody well is; accept it graciously" Idiot remark. I owe you nothing, fool. | |||
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"passports and driving licenses should not state if the holder is male or female because it causes 'problems' for transgender people re bbc tele text news now PC gone mad and then a bit further Male or Female only; if you are born the wrong sex then choose the correct sexNonsense. Nonsense for you but not to perhaps 99% of the population There are only two sexes; male or female; call yourself whatever you will but that does not mean the the vast majority of us have to suffer this PC bullsh*t heaped upon usOh another transphobic/hate minoraties post- no, to correct you, 99% DONT agree with you lol.Bigots are fairly rare now- will be a protected species soon.As for PC bullshit- that translates into- shit, I'm dumb.lol There is nothing transphobic about what I wrote and 99% do agree with me because they are either male or female; you may not think you are male but are female and you have been given a choice to select your gender as female, if that is who you feel you are But don't pile your problems onto me and othersWow-spittin vemon. my problems? I dont work, I drive a £40 car, own 2 houses- who are you to tell me I've got problems?? (except bigots, an I hate them). Who mare the 'others' you speak so generously for?? 99% agree with you? grow up.Lol" I don't give two hoots as to how many cars you drive and how much lingerie you own. You are either male or you are female But if you like, the vast majority can add a category for you; TV/CD/HPV/TS/TG/Transgender Go get a life and whilst you are at it, look around; you will either see men or women | |||
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"Oh I think anyone who wants ID documents giving a gender are quite welcome providing I can demand visual proof that it matchs their genitals. Get yer bits out When you start issuing these documents which anyone cares about, then you can start making such demands Until then, either obtain a passport and select a sex from either male or female or don't apply for one. I don't mind if another category for you is added: Transgender; you can then select that, if you wishHow kind of you. Yes, it bloody well is; accept it graciouslyIdiot remark. I owe you nothing, fool." You are being a complete idiot; we don't owe you anything; get over it | |||
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"passports and driving licenses should not state if the holder is male or female because it causes 'problems' for transgender people re bbc tele text news now PC gone mad and then a bit further Male or Female only; if you are born the wrong sex then choose the correct sexNonsense. Nonsense for you but not to perhaps 99% of the population There are only two sexes; male or female; call yourself whatever you will but that does not mean the the vast majority of us have to suffer this PC bullsh*t heaped upon usOh another transphobic/hate minoraties post- no, to correct you, 99% DONT agree with you lol.Bigots are fairly rare now- will be a protected species soon.As for PC bullshit- that translates into- shit, I'm dumb.lol There is nothing transphobic about what I wrote and 99% do agree with me because they are either male or female; you may not think you are male but are female and you have been given a choice to select your gender as female, if that is who you feel you are But don't pile your problems onto me and othersWow-spittin vemon. my problems? I dont work, I drive a £40 car, own 2 houses- who are you to tell me I've got problems?? (except bigots, an I hate them). Who mare the 'others' you speak so generously for?? 99% agree with you? grow up.Lol I don't give two hoots as to how many cars you drive and how much lingerie you own. You are either male or you are female But if you like, the vast majority can add a category for you; TV/CD/HPV/TS/TG/Transgender Go get a life and whilst you are at it, look around; you will either see men or women" Transphobic remarks again. My you really hate us don't you?? Idiot. | |||
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"passports and driving licenses should not state if the holder is male or female because it causes 'problems' for transgender people re bbc tele text news now PC gone mad and then a bit further Male or Female only; if you are born the wrong sex then choose the correct sexNonsense. Nonsense for you but not to perhaps 99% of the population There are only two sexes; male or female; call yourself whatever you will but that does not mean the the vast majority of us have to suffer this PC bullsh*t heaped upon usOh another transphobic/hate minoraties post- no, to correct you, 99% DONT agree with you lol.Bigots are fairly rare now- will be a protected species soon.As for PC bullshit- that translates into- shit, I'm dumb.lol There is nothing transphobic about what I wrote and 99% do agree with me because they are either male or female; you may not think you are male but are female and you have been given a choice to select your gender as female, if that is who you feel you are But don't pile your problems onto me and othersWow-spittin vemon. my problems? I dont work, I drive a £40 car, own 2 houses- who are you to tell me I've got problems?? (except bigots, an I hate them). Who mare the 'others' you speak so generously for?? 99% agree with you? grow up.Lol I don't give two hoots as to how many cars you drive and how much lingerie you own. You are either male or you are female But if you like, the vast majority can add a category for you; TV/CD/HPV/TS/TG/Transgender Go get a life and whilst you are at it, look around; you will either see men or womenTransphobic remarks again. My you really hate us don't you?? Idiot." No, you hate us. You have a problem and you want to involve all of us in your problem I am quite willing to support those who need support. But I'll be damned if I am going to let some bloke in a dress walk in to the changing room in my gym claiming that he is a laydee; enough is enough | |||
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"passports and driving licenses should not state if the holder is male or female because it causes 'problems' for transgender people re bbc tele text news now PC gone mad and then a bit further Male or Female only; if you are born the wrong sex then choose the correct sexNonsense. Nonsense for you but not to perhaps 99% of the population There are only two sexes; male or female; call yourself whatever you will but that does not mean the the vast majority of us have to suffer this PC bullsh*t heaped upon usOh another transphobic/hate minoraties post- no, to correct you, 99% DONT agree with you lol.Bigots are fairly rare now- will be a protected species soon.As for PC bullshit- that translates into- shit, I'm dumb.lol There is nothing transphobic about what I wrote and 99% do agree with me because they are either male or female; you may not think you are male but are female and you have been given a choice to select your gender as female, if that is who you feel you are But don't pile your problems onto me and othersWow-spittin vemon. my problems? I dont work, I drive a £40 car, own 2 houses- who are you to tell me I've got problems?? (except bigots, an I hate them). Who mare the 'others' you speak so generously for?? 99% agree with you? grow up.Lol I don't give two hoots as to how many cars you drive and how much lingerie you own. You are either male or you are female But if you like, the vast majority can add a category for you; TV/CD/HPV/TS/TG/Transgender Go get a life and whilst you are at it, look around; you will either see men or womenTransphobic remarks again. My you really hate us don't you?? Idiot. No, you hate us. You have a problem and you want to involve all of us in your problem I am quite willing to support those who need support. But I'll be damned if I am going to let some bloke in a dress walk in to the changing room in my gym claiming that he is a laydee; enough is enough" lol is it because the guys don't fancy you?? can put in a good word for you if you like baby, got a few who might be interest. Will whisper in their ears for you.xxx | |||
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"passports and driving licenses should not state if the holder is male or female because it causes 'problems' for transgender people re bbc tele text news now PC gone mad and then a bit further Male or Female only; if you are born the wrong sex then choose the correct sexNonsense. Nonsense for you but not to perhaps 99% of the population There are only two sexes; male or female; call yourself whatever you will but that does not mean the the vast majority of us have to suffer this PC bullsh*t heaped upon usOh another transphobic/hate minoraties post- no, to correct you, 99% DONT agree with you lol.Bigots are fairly rare now- will be a protected species soon.As for PC bullshit- that translates into- shit, I'm dumb.lol There is nothing transphobic about what I wrote and 99% do agree with me because they are either male or female; you may not think you are male but are female and you have been given a choice to select your gender as female, if that is who you feel you are But don't pile your problems onto me and othersWow-spittin vemon. my problems? I dont work, I drive a £40 car, own 2 houses- who are you to tell me I've got problems?? (except bigots, an I hate them). Who mare the 'others' you speak so generously for?? 99% agree with you? grow up.Lol I don't give two hoots as to how many cars you drive and how much lingerie you own. You are either male or you are female But if you like, the vast majority can add a category for you; TV/CD/HPV/TS/TG/Transgender Go get a life and whilst you are at it, look around; you will either see men or womenTransphobic remarks again. My you really hate us don't you?? Idiot. No, you hate us. You have a problem and you want to involve all of us in your problem I am quite willing to support those who need support. But I'll be damned if I am going to let some bloke in a dress walk in to the changing room in my gym claiming that he is a laydee; enough is enoughlol is it because the guys don't fancy you?? can put in a good word for you if you like baby, got a few who might be interest. Will whisper in their ears for you.xxx" Yeah, you do that | |||
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"Oh I think anyone who wants ID documents giving a gender are quite welcome providing I can demand visual proof that it matchs their genitals. Get yer bits out That wouldn't help me. I identify as a woman who's had gender reassignment procedures to male. Even though i was born with a "male" body. Oh f**k off, you " oh my! You're lucky I'm not offended! My friend would have been, they were born female but identify as a straight male who had a 'thing' for lesbians (hence the strap on and marker pen 5 o'clock shadow.) who had gender reassignment procedures (he didn't but it's how she identifies) to give him a female body which he now uses to have straight sex with. Although of course his girlfriend's think she's a lesbian not a straight man in a woman's body who fancies having lesbian sex. | |||
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"passports and driving licenses should not state if the holder is male or female because it causes 'problems' for transgender people re bbc tele text news now PC gone mad and then a bit further Male or Female only; if you are born the wrong sex then choose the correct sexNonsense. Nonsense for you but not to perhaps 99% of the population There are only two sexes; male or female; call yourself whatever you will but that does not mean the the vast majority of us have to suffer this PC bullsh*t heaped upon usOh another transphobic/hate minoraties post- no, to correct you, 99% DONT agree with you lol.Bigots are fairly rare now- will be a protected species soon.As for PC bullshit- that translates into- shit, I'm dumb.lol There is nothing transphobic about what I wrote and 99% do agree with me because they are either male or female; you may not think you are male but are female and you have been given a choice to select your gender as female, if that is who you feel you are But don't pile your problems onto me and othersWow-spittin vemon. my problems? I dont work, I drive a £40 car, own 2 houses- who are you to tell me I've got problems?? (except bigots, an I hate them). Who mare the 'others' you speak so generously for?? 99% agree with you? grow up.Lol I don't give two hoots as to how many cars you drive and how much lingerie you own. You are either male or you are female But if you like, the vast majority can add a category for you; TV/CD/HPV/TS/TG/Transgender Go get a life and whilst you are at it, look around; you will either see men or womenTransphobic remarks again. My you really hate us don't you?? Idiot. No, you hate us. You have a problem and you want to involve all of us in your problem I am quite willing to support those who need support. But I'll be damned if I am going to let some bloke in a dress walk in to the changing room in my gym claiming that he is a laydee; enough is enoughlol is it because the guys don't fancy you?? can put in a good word for you if you like baby, got a few who might be interest. Will whisper in their ears for you.xxx" Oh sorry- asked around- nobody wants a transphobic bint,it seems.  .xx | |||
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"passports and driving licenses should not state if the holder is male or female because it causes 'problems' for transgender people re bbc tele text news now PC gone mad and then a bit further Male or Female only; if you are born the wrong sex then choose the correct sexNonsense. Nonsense for you but not to perhaps 99% of the population There are only two sexes; male or female; call yourself whatever you will but that does not mean the the vast majority of us have to suffer this PC bullsh*t heaped upon usOh another transphobic/hate minoraties post- no, to correct you, 99% DONT agree with you lol.Bigots are fairly rare now- will be a protected species soon.As for PC bullshit- that translates into- shit, I'm dumb.lol There is nothing transphobic about what I wrote and 99% do agree with me because they are either male or female; you may not think you are male but are female and you have been given a choice to select your gender as female, if that is who you feel you are But don't pile your problems onto me and othersWow-spittin vemon. my problems? I dont work, I drive a £40 car, own 2 houses- who are you to tell me I've got problems?? (except bigots, an I hate them). Who mare the 'others' you speak so generously for?? 99% agree with you? grow up.Lol I don't give two hoots as to how many cars you drive and how much lingerie you own. You are either male or you are female But if you like, the vast majority can add a category for you; TV/CD/HPV/TS/TG/Transgender Go get a life and whilst you are at it, look around; you will either see men or womenTransphobic remarks again. My you really hate us don't you?? Idiot. No, you hate us. You have a problem and you want to involve all of us in your problem I am quite willing to support those who need support. But I'll be damned if I am going to let some bloke in a dress walk in to the changing room in my gym claiming that he is a laydee; enough is enoughlol is it because the guys don't fancy you?? can put in a good word for you if you like baby, got a few who might be interest. Will whisper in their ears for you.xxxOh sorry- asked around- nobody wants a transphobic bint,it seems. .xx"Phew | |||
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"passports and driving licenses should not state if the holder is male or female because it causes 'problems' for transgender people re bbc tele text news now PC gone mad and then a bit further Male or Female only; if you are born the wrong sex then choose the correct sexNonsense. Nonsense for you but not to perhaps 99% of the population There are only two sexes; male or female; call yourself whatever you will but that does not mean the the vast majority of us have to suffer this PC bullsh*t heaped upon usOh another transphobic/hate minoraties post- no, to correct you, 99% DONT agree with you lol.Bigots are fairly rare now- will be a protected species soon.As for PC bullshit- that translates into- shit, I'm dumb.lol There is nothing transphobic about what I wrote and 99% do agree with me because they are either male or female; you may not think you are male but are female and you have been given a choice to select your gender as female, if that is who you feel you are But don't pile your problems onto me and othersWow-spittin vemon. my problems? I dont work, I drive a £40 car, own 2 houses- who are you to tell me I've got problems?? (except bigots, an I hate them). Who mare the 'others' you speak so generously for?? 99% agree with you? grow up.Lol I don't give two hoots as to how many cars you drive and how much lingerie you own. You are either male or you are female But if you like, the vast majority can add a category for you; TV/CD/HPV/TS/TG/Transgender Go get a life and whilst you are at it, look around; you will either see men or womenTransphobic remarks again. My you really hate us don't you?? Idiot. No, you hate us. You have a problem and you want to involve all of us in your problem I am quite willing to support those who need support. But I'll be damned if I am going to let some bloke in a dress walk in to the changing room in my gym claiming that he is a laydee; enough is enoughlol is it because the guys don't fancy you?? can put in a good word for you if you like baby, got a few who might be interest. Will whisper in their ears for you.xxxOh sorry- asked around- nobody wants a transphobic bint,it seems. .xx"Oh wait- got one old guy who hates gay guys -he might do. Mind you, he has Syphylis. Shouldn't be a problem tho.xxx | |||
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"xxxOh sorry- asked around- nobody wants a transphobic bint,it seems. .xx"You clearly don't know _osie. I've not seem many people stick up for the 'trans' community as much as she has on here. She just doesn't suffer fools gladly is all. | |||
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"Oh I think anyone who wants ID documents giving a gender are quite welcome providing I can demand visual proof that it matchs their genitals. Get yer bits out That wouldn't help me. I identify as a woman who's had gender reassignment procedures to male. Even though i was born with a "male" body. Oh f**k off, you
oh my! You're lucky I'm not offended! My friend would have been, they were born female but identify as a straight male who had a 'thing' for lesbians (hence the strap on and marker pen 5 o'clock shadow.) who had gender reassignment procedures (he didn't but it's how she identifies) to give him a female body which he now uses to have straight sex with. Although of course his girlfriend's think she's a lesbian not a straight man in a woman's body who fancies having lesbian sex."Come again
Seriously, there are people out there who are really suffering whilst some idiots are walking around wanting to remove sex from passports etc because their faces are not matching their lingerie
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"Oh I think anyone who wants ID documents giving a gender are quite welcome providing I can demand visual proof that it matchs their genitals. Get yer bits out That wouldn't help me. I identify as a woman who's had gender reassignment procedures to male. Even though i was born with a "male" body. Oh f**k off, you
oh my! You're lucky I'm not offended! My friend would have been, they were born female but identify as a straight male who had a 'thing' for lesbians (hence the strap on and marker pen 5 o'clock shadow.) who had gender reassignment procedures (he didn't but it's how she identifies) to give him a female body which he now uses to have straight sex with. Although of course his girlfriend's think she's a lesbian not a straight man in a woman's body who fancies having lesbian sex.
Come again
Seriously, there are people out there who are really suffering whilst some idiots are walking around wanting to remove sex from passports etc because their faces are not matching their lingerie
Like I said; PC gone mad"Reaqlly suffering? do you know what the suicide rate is for transgender? or even care?? | |||
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oh my! You're lucky I'm not offended! My friend would have been, they were born female but identify as a straight male who had a 'thing' for lesbians (hence the strap on and marker pen 5 o'clock shadow.) who had gender reassignment procedures (he didn't but it's how she identifies) to give him a female body which he now uses to have straight sex with. Although of course his girlfriend's think she's a lesbian not a straight man in a woman's body who fancies having lesbian sex.
Come again
Seriously, there are people out there who are really suffering whilst some idiots are walking around wanting to remove sex from passports etc because their faces are not matching their lingerie
Like I said; PC gone madReaqlly suffering? do you know what the suicide rate is for transgender? or even care??"As for being idoits- whats your job then?? | |||
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oh my! You're lucky I'm not offended! My friend would have been, they were born female but identify as a straight male who had a 'thing' for lesbians (hence the strap on and marker pen 5 o'clock shadow.) who had gender reassignment procedures (he didn't but it's how she identifies) to give him a female body which he now uses to have straight sex with. Although of course his girlfriend's think she's a lesbian not a straight man in a woman's body who fancies having lesbian sex.
Come again
Seriously, there are people out there who are really suffering whilst some idiots are walking around wanting to remove sex from passports etc because their faces are not matching their lingerie
Like I said; PC gone madReaqlly suffering? do you know what the suicide rate is for transgender? or even care??"Yes I do, and those are the ones who need help. But not by removing gender from passports or giving out lingerie on the NHS And yes, I care; maybe I care too much to let idiots muddle the issue with their suspender belts and frilly bras | |||
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oh my! You're lucky I'm not offended! My friend would have been, they were born female but identify as a straight male who had a 'thing' for lesbians (hence the strap on and marker pen 5 o'clock shadow.) who had gender reassignment procedures (he didn't but it's how she identifies) to give him a female body which he now uses to have straight sex with. Although of course his girlfriend's think she's a lesbian not a straight man in a woman's body who fancies having lesbian sex.
Come again
Seriously, there are people out there who are really suffering whilst some idiots are walking around wanting to remove sex from passports etc because their faces are not matching their lingerie
Like I said; PC gone madReaqlly suffering? do you know what the suicide rate is for transgender? or even care??
Yes I do, and those are the ones who need help. But not by removing gender from passports or giving out lingerie on the NHS
And yes, I care; maybe I care too much to let idiots muddle the issue with their suspender belts and frilly bras"Such transphobic venom. You really are the pits, aint ya?? | |||
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oh my! You're lucky I'm not offended! My friend would have been, they were born female but identify as a straight male who had a 'thing' for lesbians (hence the strap on and marker pen 5 o'clock shadow.) who had gender reassignment procedures (he didn't but it's how she identifies) to give him a female body which he now uses to have straight sex with. Although of course his girlfriend's think she's a lesbian not a straight man in a woman's body who fancies having lesbian sex.
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Seriously, there are people out there who are really suffering whilst some idiots are walking around wanting to remove sex from passports etc because their faces are not matching their lingerie
Like I said; PC gone madReaqlly suffering? do you know what the suicide rate is for transgender? or even care??As for being idoits- whats your job then??"Oh grow up; like I am going to tell someone like you my job, name and address | |||
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oh my! You're lucky I'm not offended! My friend would have been, they were born female but identify as a straight male who had a 'thing' for lesbians (hence the strap on and marker pen 5 o'clock shadow.) who had gender reassignment procedures (he didn't but it's how she identifies) to give him a female body which he now uses to have straight sex with. Although of course his girlfriend's think she's a lesbian not a straight man in a woman's body who fancies having lesbian sex.
Come again
Seriously, there are people out there who are really suffering whilst some idiots are walking around wanting to remove sex from passports etc because their faces are not matching their lingerie
Like I said; PC gone madReaqlly suffering? do you know what the suicide rate is for transgender? or even care??
Yes I do, and those are the ones who need help. But not by removing gender from passports or giving out lingerie on the NHS
And yes, I care; maybe I care too much to let idiots muddle the issue with their suspender belts and frilly brasSuch transphobic venom. You really are the pits, aint ya??"Lingerie on the NHS??? demented fool.Lol | |||
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oh my! You're lucky I'm not offended! My friend would have been, they were born female but identify as a straight male who had a 'thing' for lesbians (hence the strap on and marker pen 5 o'clock shadow.) who had gender reassignment procedures (he didn't but it's how she identifies) to give him a female body which he now uses to have straight sex with. Although of course his girlfriend's think she's a lesbian not a straight man in a woman's body who fancies having lesbian sex.
Come again
Seriously, there are people out there who are really suffering whilst some idiots are walking around wanting to remove sex from passports etc because their faces are not matching their lingerie
Like I said; PC gone madReaqlly suffering? do you know what the suicide rate is for transgender? or even care??
Yes I do, and those are the ones who need help. But not by removing gender from passports or giving out lingerie on the NHS
And yes, I care; maybe I care too much to let idiots muddle the issue with their suspender belts and frilly brasSuch transphobic venom. You really are the pits, aint ya??"You win; go get another bra and 6" stilettos | |||
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You clearly don't know _osie. I've not seem many people stick up for the 'trans' community as much as she has on here. She just doesn't suffer fools gladly is all.
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"Oh I think anyone who wants ID documents giving a gender are quite welcome providing I can demand visual proof that it matchs their genitals. Get yer bits out That wouldn't help me. I identify as a woman who's had gender reassignment procedures to male. Even though i was born with a "male" body. Oh f**k off, you
oh my! You're lucky I'm not offended! My friend would have been, they were born female but identify as a straight male who had a 'thing' for lesbians (hence the strap on and marker pen 5 o'clock shadow.) who had gender reassignment procedures (he didn't but it's how she identifies) to give him a female body which he now uses to have straight sex with. Although of course his girlfriend's think she's a lesbian not a straight man in a woman's body who fancies having lesbian sex.
Come again
Seriously, there are people out there who are really suffering whilst some idiots are walking around wanting to remove sex from passports etc because their faces are not matching their lingerie
Like I said; PC gone madReaqlly suffering? do you know what the suicide rate is for transgender? or even care??
Yes I do, and those are the ones who need help. But not by removing gender from passports or giving out lingerie on the NHS
And yes, I care; maybe I care too much to let idiots muddle the issue with their suspender belts and frilly brasSuch transphobic venom. You really are the pits, aint ya??
You win; go get another bra and 6" stilettos"More transphobia. You are sooo ugly, girl. | |||
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"xxxOh sorry- asked around- nobody wants a transphobic bint,it seems. .xx
You clearly don't know _osie. I've not seem many people stick up for the 'trans' community as much as she has on here. She just doesn't suffer fools gladly is all.
She needs to get a grip. Folk like her don't help us, in any shape or form."No. People like you don't help people like you. | |||
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"xxxOh sorry- asked around- nobody wants a transphobic bint,it seems. .xx
You clearly don't know _osie. I've not seem many people stick up for the 'trans' community as much as she has on here. She just doesn't suffer fools gladly is all.
She needs to get a grip. Folk like her don't help us, in any shape or form.
No. People like you don't help people like you. "Oh my, more transphobia. Lovely.xxx | |||
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"xxxOh sorry- asked around- nobody wants a transphobic bint,it seems. .xx
You clearly don't know _osie. I've not seem many people stick up for the 'trans' community as much as she has on here. She just doesn't suffer fools gladly is all.
She needs to get a grip. Folk like her don't help us, in any shape or form."No; folk like you don't help yourself. You have made a very serious issue into a side-show You have absolutely no idea how much I stick my oar in whenever and wherever I can, supporting people (some like you) who are facing a very difficult situation. And sometimes I take the flak for doing that; and no, I am not expecting nor would want a medal I don't care about your wardrobe. It is probably much better than mine. But your wardrobe is not the issue here; neither are make-up tips But if that is what transgender is about then I have wasted my f**king time fighting a cause which is just a joke. I hope I am wrong | |||
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"xxxOh sorry- asked around- nobody wants a transphobic bint,it seems. .xx
You clearly don't know _osie. I've not seem many people stick up for the 'trans' community as much as she has on here. She just doesn't suffer fools gladly is all.
She needs to get a grip. Folk like her don't help us, in any shape or form.
No; folk like you don't help yourself. You have made a very serious issue into a side-show
You have absolutely no idea how much I stick my oar in whenever and wherever I can, supporting people (some like you) who are facing a very difficult situation. And sometimes I take the flak for doing that; and no, I am not expecting nor would want a medal
I don't care about your wardrobe. It is probably much better than mine. But your wardrobe is not the issue here; neither are make-up tips
But if that is what transgender is about then I have wasted my f**king time fighting a cause which is just a joke. I hope I am wrong"Make-up tips? wardrobe?? wher have I mentioned these things- that is the kind of dig I am talking about transphobic. The sort of remarks you get in a 'rough pub'. You don't care about the issue- you have proved that. And I don't owe YOU anything. I just expect EQUAL treatment, which I am legally entitled to. If you insult me, you will get the same back. Hope that's not to complecated. | |||
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"When i act like a twat i don't shout "man hater" at who ever points it out. This is not transphobia." Isn't it??? | |||
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"When i act like a twat i don't shout "man hater" at who ever points it out. This is not transphobia." Indeed. | |||
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"All very well saying pick make or female but for those undergoing gender reassignment they have to live for a year as the person they want to become before any surgery is carried out. So they are in a transition period. I can fully understand why they would not state male or female during this time as they are living as one gender while still the opposite gender. Having just watched The Danish Girl the whole issue can be confusing for everyone around them. Friends and family either accept what is happening or don't as the case may be. 90 years from the first transgender reassignment surgeries attitudes have not changed much. It's time to ensure everyone is represented properly. " If you are in the transition phase living as the opposite sex then that should be the sex you are. | |||
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"All very well saying pick make or female but for those undergoing gender reassignment they have to live for a year as the person they want to become before any surgery is carried out. So they are in a transition period. I can fully understand why they would not state male or female during this time as they are living as one gender while still the opposite gender. Having just watched The Danish Girl the whole issue can be confusing for everyone around them. Friends and family either accept what is happening or don't as the case may be. 90 years from the first transgender reassignment surgeries attitudes have not changed much. It's time to ensure everyone is represented properly. " Thank you.xxx | |||
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So what sex are you then?"why do you want to know??? | |||
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"All very well saying pick make or female but for those undergoing gender reassignment they have to live for a year as the person they want to become before any surgery is carried out. So they are in a transition period. I can fully understand why they would not state male or female during this time as they are living as one gender while still the opposite gender. Having just watched The Danish Girl the whole issue can be confusing for everyone around them. Friends and family either accept what is happening or don't as the case may be. 90 years from the first transgender reassignment surgeries attitudes have not changed much. It's time to ensure everyone is represented properly. If you are in the transition phase living as the opposite sex then that should be the sex you are." It's not quite as simple as that. | |||
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"passports and driving licenses should not state if the holder is male or female because it causes 'problems' for transgender people re bbc tele text news now" This is not directed at you jonnybag, more towards the mad fucker that dreamt it up... What a total bag of bollox. It would open the UK up to any Tom, Dick or Harry. Next thing terrorists will be be coming into the country in Batman capes!  | |||
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"passports and driving licenses should not state if the holder is male or female because it causes 'problems' for transgender people re bbc tele text news now This is not directed at you jonnybag, more towards the mad fucker that dreamt it up... What a total bag of bollox. It would open the UK up to any Tom, Dick or Harry. Next thing terrorists will be be coming into the country in Batman capes! "You think terrorists would be deterred by passpots stating male or female?lol wow. | |||
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"I agree with the idea, not sure how it affects transgender people entirely (although can see some of how it affects them) but why even label people as male/female in the first place like you can tell from looking in the first place? These IDs have photos on, the pic just needs to line up with whoever is using it. People are faking passports right now anyway, not like having gender on stops that." Quite right. It makes no difference to crooks, or terrorists. | |||
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"All very well saying pick make or female but for those undergoing gender reassignment they have to live for a year as the person they want to become before any surgery is carried out. So they are in a transition period. I can fully understand why they would not state male or female during this time as they are living as one gender while still the opposite gender. Having just watched The Danish Girl the whole issue can be confusing for everyone around them. Friends and family either accept what is happening or don't as the case may be. 90 years from the first transgender reassignment surgeries attitudes have not changed much. It's time to ensure everyone is represented properly. " I will answer your question although it was answered some months ago by someone who was in exactly this situation They can, at whatever point they wish, switch their gender to the one which they feel closely resembles them This facility is available only to those who have been diagnosed with gender issues and who start on a treatment plan At this point, they are 'afforded' all the 'facilities' afforded in their correct gender We have one such person who is a member of our gym. They (and I say 'they' as they are still in the process) use the women's changing room but are respectful enough to use one of the cubicles. And if anyone ever challenges them, I will stand by their side | |||
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So what sex are you then?why do you want to know??? "Your chosen category on Fab says TV/TS so I'm not sure if you are a TV or TS/TG? | |||
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"When i act like a twat i don't shout "man hater" at who ever points it out. This is not transphobia. Indeed. "So you act like a twat elsewhere ?? | |||
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"I agree with the idea, not sure how it affects transgender people entirely (although can see some of how it affects them) but why even label people as male/female in the first place like you can tell from looking in the first place? These IDs have photos on, the pic just needs to line up with whoever is using it. People are faking passports right now anyway, not like having gender on stops that." Fair point. | |||
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So what sex are you then?why do you want to know???
Your chosen category on Fab says TV/TS so I'm not sure if you are a TV or TS/TG?"Then read my profile. If it is difficult, ask a responsible adult to read it to you. I can only use the catagories listed, but explain in great detail. If you need to attack me, please find a valid reason.Thank you. | |||
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"When i act like a twat i don't shout "man hater" at who ever points it out. This is not transphobia. Indeed. So you act like a twat elsewhere ??"How am I acting like a twat? | |||
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How am I acting like a twat?"Reread your post ?? | |||
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"xxxOh sorry- asked around- nobody wants a transphobic bint,it seems. .xx
You clearly don't know _osie. I've not seem many people stick up for the 'trans' community as much as she has on here. She just doesn't suffer fools gladly is all.
She needs to get a grip. Folk like her don't help us, in any shape or form.
No. People like you don't help people like you. Oh my, more transphobia. Lovely.xxx
Yawn,,, please shut the fuck up as you are just coming across as a pathetic, attention seeking pri Madonna! Very boring."Lol shallow comments, no real thought there. | |||
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So what sex are you then?why do you want to know???
Your chosen category on Fab says TV/TS so I'm not sure if you are a TV or TS/TG?Then read my profile. If it is difficult, ask a responsible adult to read it to you. I can only use the catagories listed, but explain in great detail. If you need to attack me, please find a valid reason.Thank you."Oh my, it was just a question not an attack. You really have it in for everyone  | |||
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So what sex are you then?why do you want to know???
Your chosen category on Fab says TV/TS so I'm not sure if you are a TV or TS/TG?Then read my profile. If it is difficult, ask a responsible adult to read it to you. I can only use the catagories listed, but explain in great detail. If you need to attack me, please find a valid reason.Thank you.
Oh my, it was just a question not an attack. You really have it in for everyone
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"I agree with the idea, not sure how it affects transgender people entirely (although can see some of how it affects them) but why even label people as male/female in the first place like you can tell from looking in the first place? These IDs have photos on, the pic just needs to line up with whoever is using it. People are faking passports right now anyway, not like having gender on stops that. Fair point. " I agree. But removing a rather important identifier would make it even easier On our (German) passports, we have the height and the colour of eyes recorded as well. It is on the page opposite the machine-readable page The more idetififying information recorded, the more difficult it becomes to impersonate | |||
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"I agree with the idea, not sure how it affects transgender people entirely (although can see some of how it affects them) but why even label people as male/female in the first place like you can tell from looking in the first place? These IDs have photos on, the pic just needs to line up with whoever is using it. People are faking passports right now anyway, not like having gender on stops that. Quite right. It makes no difference to crooks, or terrorists." It just adds a stereotype to people that's all. That we identify as a certain gender, under law. Same for ethnicity and nationality. While there's connotations and expectations to labels i find being labelled damaging. Even more so as they're used to divide us. I don't identify as anything now, never identified as a british national despite being told i am one, although most forms don't require you to fill in any of the above things now in case you don't want to identify as something in particular. | |||
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"I agree with the idea, not sure how it affects transgender people entirely (although can see some of how it affects them) but why even label people as male/female in the first place like you can tell from looking in the first place? These IDs have photos on, the pic just needs to line up with whoever is using it. People are faking passports right now anyway, not like having gender on stops that. Fair point. I agree. But removing a rather important identifier would make it even easier On our (German) passports, we have the height and the colour of eyes recorded as well. It is on the page opposite the machine-readable page The more idetififying information recorded, the more difficult it becomes to impersonate" Boimetrics do all it needs | |||
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How am I acting like a twat?Reread your post ??"Read the post that Clem wrote. Have fun. | |||
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"I agree with the idea, not sure how it affects transgender people entirely (although can see some of how it affects them) but why even label people as male/female in the first place like you can tell from looking in the first place? These IDs have photos on, the pic just needs to line up with whoever is using it. People are faking passports right now anyway, not like having gender on stops that. Fair point. I agree. But removing a rather important identifier would make it even easier On our (German) passports, we have the height and the colour of eyes recorded as well. It is on the page opposite the machine-readable page The more idetififying information recorded, the more difficult it becomes to impersonateBoimetrics do all it needs" Untill we can equip human eyes with retina scanners though were always going to need information on the document that can be checked with the good old mark 1 eyeball | |||
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"I agree with the idea, not sure how it affects transgender people entirely (although can see some of how it affects them) but why even label people as male/female in the first place like you can tell from looking in the first place? These IDs have photos on, the pic just needs to line up with whoever is using it. People are faking passports right now anyway, not like having gender on stops that. Quite right. It makes no difference to crooks, or terrorists. It just adds a stereotype to people that's all. That we identify as a certain gender, under law. Same for ethnicity and nationality. While there's connotations and expectations to labels i find being labelled damaging. Even more so as they're used to divide us. I don't identify as anything now, never identified as a british national despite being told i am one, although most forms don't require you to fill in any of the above things now in case you don't want to identify as something in particular." Quite right.x | |||
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"I agree with the idea, not sure how it affects transgender people entirely (although can see some of how it affects them) but why even label people as male/female in the first place like you can tell from looking in the first place? These IDs have photos on, the pic just needs to line up with whoever is using it. People are faking passports right now anyway, not like having gender on stops that.Quite right. It makes no difference to crooks, or terrorists." Tony Blair made it illegal to detonate nuclear weapons in the UK, and after the Paris attacks, Cameron wanted to make illegal guns, even more illegal! So it's not like you can make fake passports any more fake! | |||
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"I agree with the idea, not sure how it affects transgender people entirely (although can see some of how it affects them) but why even label people as male/female in the first place like you can tell from looking in the first place? These IDs have photos on, the pic just needs to line up with whoever is using it. People are faking passports right now anyway, not like having gender on stops that. Fair point. I agree. But removing a rather important identifier would make it even easier On our (German) passports, we have the height and the colour of eyes recorded as well. It is on the page opposite the machine-readable page The more idetififying information recorded, the more difficult it becomes to impersonateBoimetrics do all it needs Untill we can equip human eyes with retina scanners though were always going to need information on the document that can be checked with the good old mark 1 eyeball" The technology is there. | |||
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"Oh sorry- asked around- nobody wants a transphobic bint,it seems. .xx
So what sex are you then?why do you want to know???
Your chosen category on Fab says TV/TS so I'm not sure if you are a TV or TS/TG?Then read my profile. If it is difficult, ask a responsible adult to read it to you. I can only use the catagories listed, but explain in great detail. If you need to attack me, please find a valid reason.Thank you.
Oh my, it was just a question not an attack. You really have it in for everyone
Oh sorrry-not an attack- so, like I said, why do you want to know?? do you fancy me or what??lol."I'm straight and don't fancy women at all. | |||
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"When i act like a twat i don't shout "man hater" at who ever points it out. This is not transphobia. Indeed. So you act like a twat elsewhere ??
How am I acting like a twat?Reread your post ??
Read the post that Clem wrote.
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So what sex are you then?why do you want to know???
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Oh my, it was just a question not an attack. You really have it in for everyone
Oh sorrry-not an attack- so, like I said, why do you want to know?? do you fancy me or what??lol.
I'm straight and don't fancy women at all."So Istill don't know why you need to know?? | |||
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"I agree with the idea, not sure how it affects transgender people entirely (although can see some of how it affects them) but why even label people as male/female in the first place like you can tell from looking in the first place? These IDs have photos on, the pic just needs to line up with whoever is using it. People are faking passports right now anyway, not like having gender on stops that. Fair point. I agree. But removing a rather important identifier would make it even easier On our (German) passports, we have the height and the colour of eyes recorded as well. It is on the page opposite the machine-readable page The more idetififying information recorded, the more difficult it becomes to impersonateBoimetrics do all it needs Untill we can equip human eyes with retina scanners though were always going to need information on the document that can be checked with the good old mark 1 eyeballThe technology is there." Really? You please go show me the technology to cram a retinal scanner into the average policemans skull. | |||
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So what sex are you then?why do you want to know???
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Oh my, it was just a question not an attack. You really have it in for everyone
Oh sorrry-not an attack- so, like I said, why do you want to know?? do you fancy me or what??lol.
I'm straight and don't fancy women at all.So Istill don't know why you need to know??"I don't need to know, i just thought if you were a TV you would be a male. And as a TS a woman. So whether or not gender was on a driving licence you would be one or the other. Thus making it a non issue. | |||
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"I agree with the idea, not sure how it affects transgender people entirely (although can see some of how it affects them) but why even label people as male/female in the first place like you can tell from looking in the first place? These IDs have photos on, the pic just needs to line up with whoever is using it. People are faking passports right now anyway, not like having gender on stops that. Fair point. I agree. But removing a rather important identifier would make it even easier On our (German) passports, we have the height and the colour of eyes recorded as well. It is on the page opposite the machine-readable page The more idetififying information recorded, the more difficult it becomes to impersonateBoimetrics do all it needs Untill we can equip human eyes with retina scanners though were always going to need information on the document that can be checked with the good old mark 1 eyeballThe technology is there. Really? You please go show me the technology to cram a retinal scanner into the average policemans skull." Ah, so you are confused. No, They don't pack it into the individual's skull, they use a machine thingy...an you sorta...look into it.xxx | |||
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"I agree with the idea, not sure how it affects transgender people entirely (although can see some of how it affects them) but why even label people as male/female in the first place like you can tell from looking in the first place? These IDs have photos on, the pic just needs to line up with whoever is using it. People are faking passports right now anyway, not like having gender on stops that. Fair point. I agree. But removing a rather important identifier would make it even easier On our (German) passports, we have the height and the colour of eyes recorded as well. It is on the page opposite the machine-readable page The more idetififying information recorded, the more difficult it becomes to impersonateBoimetrics do all it needs Biometric technology is not yet stable enough. Our passports have been biometric as far back as I can remember. Half the time the machines fail to recognise and I end up in a queue alongwith others who have 'failed' and speak to a person Yes, I agree, that once biometric technology is fool-proof, no human readable information will need to be recorded on passports visibly (apart from a name, perhaps, so that I know that I picked up my passport and not my cousin's)" So how is the barman gonna check your age? Or the cashier at morrisons? They aint gonna be forking out millions to equip the stores with readers. | |||
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"Oh I think anyone who wants ID documents giving a gender are quite welcome providing I can demand visual proof that it matchs their genitals. Get yer bits out That wouldn't help me. I identify as a woman who's had gender reassignment procedures to male. Even though i was born with a "male" body. Oh f**k off, you
oh my! You're lucky I'm not offended! My friend would have been, they were born female but identify as a straight male who had a 'thing' for lesbians (hence the strap on and marker pen 5 o'clock shadow.) who had gender reassignment procedures (he didn't but it's how she identifies) to give him a female body which he now uses to have straight sex with. Although of course his girlfriend's think she's a lesbian not a straight man in a woman's body who fancies having lesbian sex.
Come again
Seriously, there are people out there who are really suffering whilst some idiots are walking around wanting to remove sex from passports etc because their faces are not matching their lingerie
Like I said; PC gone madReaqlly suffering? do you know what the suicide rate is for transgender? or even care??
Yes I do, and those are the ones who need help. But not by removing gender from passports or giving out lingerie on the NHS
And yes, I care; maybe I care too much to let idiots muddle the issue with their suspender belts and frilly brasSuch transphobic venom. You really are the pits, aint ya??
You win; go get another bra and 6" stilettosMore transphobia. You are sooo ugly, girl."As is your comment. You catch more flies with honey | |||
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So what sex are you then?why do you want to know???
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Oh my, it was just a question not an attack. You really have it in for everyone
Oh sorrry-not an attack- so, like I said, why do you want to know?? do you fancy me or what??lol.
I'm straight and don't fancy women at all.So Istill don't know why you need to know??
I don't need to know, i just thought if you were a TV you would be a male. And as a TS a woman. So whether or not gender was on a driving licence you would be one or the other.
Thus making it a non issue."Ok, so as not to confuse you, I am a Transexual on the course for a grc, 1 year in,have been transexual for around 14 years, with tits, hips, but still got the bits. Own long hair, sold my businesses up 6 years ago, and live 24/7 fem. Have uk d/l In my fem name, passport, bank accounts, pension funds, investments, cars, houses, everything in my fem name.Have been known to family and others in my fem name for years. Rarely wear high heels, (one pair), or frilly undies.Prefer leather.Am fairly fit (my dad was a boxer, and taught me to look after myself, thank god.).Do not get hard-ons, only have receptive sex, identify as a straight female. Hope that helps.x | |||
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oh my! You're lucky I'm not offended! My friend would have been, they were born female but identify as a straight male who had a 'thing' for lesbians (hence the strap on and marker pen 5 o'clock shadow.) who had gender reassignment procedures (he didn't but it's how she identifies) to give him a female body which he now uses to have straight sex with. Although of course his girlfriend's think she's a lesbian not a straight man in a woman's body who fancies having lesbian sex.
Come again
Seriously, there are people out there who are really suffering whilst some idiots are walking around wanting to remove sex from passports etc because their faces are not matching their lingerie
Like I said; PC gone madReaqlly suffering? do you know what the suicide rate is for transgender? or even care??
Yes I do, and those are the ones who need help. But not by removing gender from passports or giving out lingerie on the NHS
And yes, I care; maybe I care too much to let idiots muddle the issue with their suspender belts and frilly brasSuch transphobic venom. You really are the pits, aint ya??
You win; go get another bra and 6" stilettosMore transphobia. You are sooo ugly, girl.
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"Oh sorry- asked around- nobody wants a transphobic bint,it seems. .xx
So what sex are you then?why do you want to know???
Your chosen category on Fab says TV/TS so I'm not sure if you are a TV or TS/TG?Then read my profile. If it is difficult, ask a responsible adult to read it to you. I can only use the catagories listed, but explain in great detail. If you need to attack me, please find a valid reason.Thank you.
Oh my, it was just a question not an attack. You really have it in for everyone
Oh sorrry-not an attack- so, like I said, why do you want to know?? do you fancy me or what??lol.
I'm straight and don't fancy women at all.So Istill don't know why you need to know??
I don't need to know, i just thought if you were a TV you would be a male. And as a TS a woman. So whether or not gender was on a driving licence you would be one or the other.
Thus making it a non issue.Ok, so as not to confuse you, I am a Transexual on the course for a grc, 1 year in,have been transexual for around 14 years, with tits, hips, but still got the bits. Own long hair, sold my businesses up 6 years ago, and live 24/7 fem. Have uk d/l In my fem name, passport, bank accounts, pension funds, investments, cars, houses, everything in my fem name.Have been known to family and others in my fem name for years. Rarely wear high heels, (one pair), or frilly undies.Prefer leather.Am fairly fit (my dad was a boxer, and taught me to look after myself, thank god.).Do not get hard-ons, only have receptive sex, identify as a straight female. Hope that helps.x"So, you are a woman. Then you will select 'F' on your passport application form. What is the issue then? | |||
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"Ok, so as not to confuse you, I am a Transexual on the course for a grc, 1 year in,have been transexual for around 14 years, with tits, hips, but still got the bits. Own long hair, sold my businesses up 6 years ago, and live 24/7 fem. Have uk d/l In my fem name, passport, bank accounts, pension funds, investments, cars, houses, everything in my fem name.Have been known to family and others in my fem name for years. Rarely wear high heels, (one pair), or frilly undies.Prefer leather.Am fairly fit (my dad was a boxer, and taught me to look after myself, thank god.).Do not get hard-ons, only have receptive sex, identify as a straight female. Hope that helps.x So you are a woman then and that is rightly what is on your passport. So, based on the opening post, I can't see how having M or F on a document is a problem for anyone TG. At any stage because they are the sex they will physically become or have become." It's not all about me, baby.x | |||
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"I agree with the idea, not sure how it affects transgender people entirely (although can see some of how it affects them) but why even label people as male/female in the first place like you can tell from looking in the first place? These IDs have photos on, the pic just needs to line up with whoever is using it. People are faking passports right now anyway, not like having gender on stops that. Fair point. I agree. But removing a rather important identifier would make it even easier On our (German) passports, we have the height and the colour of eyes recorded as well. It is on the page opposite the machine-readable page The more idetififying information recorded, the more difficult it becomes to impersonate Totally agree with your last line. But loads of people have blue eyes and you can buy blue contacts also. Thing is how does gender really identify a person? Nobody gets their cock or ovaries out to prove who they are so it seems pointless to identify people in that way. I know IDing people is a huge agenda for governments. They ID us and label us from birth, but not in the most efficient way that could be done at this time. You are correct; and neither should people need to disrobe to prove whether we are male or female. The question is not whether we are male or female but that this identifier further eliminates the potential to impersonate Most passports are forged by using stolen passports and replacing the photograph. All other information, such as name, date of birth, gender remain in place I am certain that some transgender people will have some difficulties at border control for even after they have been recognised in their new and true gender, they may not look so. And I am sorry about that. I truly am. But that does not mean that we start watering down our security even further Lots of people have blue eyes, or in my case, green eyes. Fewer people have green eyes and are 178 cms tall; even fewer people have green eyes, are 178 cms tall and female My stolen passport with the photograph replaced will only be usable by a female with green eyes and who is 178 cms tall. Not a perfect solution but better than no identifiers" Impersonation isn't too hard to do, if you know what you're doing. Although what you say makes sense in theory, it doesn't work out like that in reality. I do think half of what is done, security wise, is done to reassure us without us knowing all the facts. And we are more self vigilant and this helps too. Can't really say any more than that without looking like a fraudster so i shall shut up now. I'm not a fraudster though, just heard about things idk where i heard them either. | |||
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"I have to say I think there are more pressing issues for the transgender communities than an M or an F on a passport. I also sincerely hope that some of the utterly childish responses aren't representative of every trans person. It would have been nice to read a mature conversation about it as an outsider. Guess that won't be found hereTrans people ARE THE SAME AS OTHER PEOPLE, not second-class citizens, so responses are the same as others. You don't say ' hope these comments from straight women aren't representetive of of every woman' do you? do you??? The straight ladies (particularly those much better versed in these things than I am and who have identified they do a lot of vouching for your community) don't see someone disagree with them and call it cisphobia. There's a lot to be said for forming a well articulated response to someone you disagree with. Let's start by reading shall we? I never said you weren't people or in any way implied you were a second class citizen. I said your responses stood out as childish amongst a vast majority of reasoned arguments. Given that it's your cause that you're choosing to fight, people would be more inclined to read and understand your points if you didn't resort to calling people ugly, using material wealth or lack of to justify a comment or wielding the transphobia card at every opportunity" You say you hope my posts aren't representative of the Transgender community, which is what my comment was based on- who needs to read?? If people attack me, Iattack them. Simple. I never called anyone 'ugly' I was refering to the comments she made. Again read it.Childish by your standards? who are you to judge me?? vast magority? relly?? Vast? lol . re-read posts, I should if I was you. And I dont care whether you understand or support me, as I say , Iam not a 2nd class citizen, have full legal rights, and really don't care for support.My material wealth ?? why you so worried about that? I am proud of it. I worked hard for it. Not really anything to concern you , I think. As for the 'Transphobia card' , COMMENTS MADE were TRANSPHOBIC, AND HAVE BEEN REPORTED. This is not a game, and the sooner people realise the better. This is about peoples lives, and respect. Black folk suffered this crap for decades, I won't. | |||
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"I have to say I think there are more pressing issues for the transgender communities than an M or an F on a passport. I also sincerely hope that some of the utterly childish responses aren't representative of every trans person. It would have been nice to read a mature conversation about it as an outsider. Guess that won't be found hereTrans people ARE THE SAME AS OTHER PEOPLE, not second-class citizens, so responses are the same as others. You don't say ' hope these comments from straight women aren't representetive of of every woman' do you? do you??? The straight ladies (particularly those much better versed in these things than I am and who have identified they do a lot of vouching for your community) don't see someone disagree with them and call it cisphobia. There's a lot to be said for forming a well articulated response to someone you disagree with. Let's start by reading shall we? I never said you weren't people or in any way implied you were a second class citizen. I said your responses stood out as childish amongst a vast majority of reasoned arguments. Given that it's your cause that you're choosing to fight, people would be more inclined to read and understand your points if you didn't resort to calling people ugly, using material wealth or lack of to justify a comment or wielding the transphobia card at every opportunityYou say you hope my posts aren't representative of the Transgender community, which is what my comment was based on- who needs to read?? If people attack me, Iattack them. Simple. I never called anyone 'ugly' I was refering to the comments she made. Again read it.Childish by your standards? who are you to judge me?? vast magority? relly?? Vast? lol . re-read posts, I should if I was you. And I dont care whether you understand or support me, as I say , Iam not a 2nd class citizen, have full legal rights, and really don't care for support.My material wealth ?? why you so worried about that? I am proud of it. I worked hard for it. Not really anything to concern you , I think. As for the 'Transphobia card' , COMMENTS MADE were TRANSPHOBIC, AND HAVE BEEN REPORTED. This is not a game, and the sooner people realise the better. This is about peoples lives, and respect. Black folk suffered this crap for decades, I won't." You don't have to attack people in response to feeling attacked. It's sinking to their level and most people, cis, trans, black, white, whatever, will see it as childish. If you make your arguments using comments like "you so ugly girl" and use your "£40 car and two houses" as your evidence then people will notice and comment on it. Evidence is to be scrutinised. That is not an attack. However people will judge you, not for your gender or the way you dress or what anatomy you have in your pants. People judge on behaviour and having a hissy fit in a debate is the behaviour I'm seeing | |||
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"This may well be a controversial comment, but how does it change if the question was, 'do you have a Y chromosome?'. Regardless of which gender you identify as, what surgeries and hormones you take, that is something which will not change. Obviously this is only relevant in terms of genetic investigation for criminal justice etc. For day to day purposes I'd use she if they look like a she, he if they look like a he, and if I'm not sure I'd look at a name for a clue. " that's far too sensible | |||
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"This may well be a controversial comment, but how does it change if the question was, 'do you have a Y chromosome?'. Regardless of which gender you identify as, what surgeries and hormones you take, that is something which will not change. Obviously this is only relevant in terms of genetic investigation for criminal justice etc. For day to day purposes I'd use she if they look like a she, he if they look like a he, and if I'm not sure I'd look at a name for a clue. that's far too sensible "Until you bring in mosaic genetics and intersex people... 
Brown university estimates that one in 1,666 births are of people who are not clear cases of XX and XY.
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"Bring in common toilets while we're at it.....It is afterall an identity a filter system used for selection. " We have them at my uni and other places. Beats waiting in long lines for female loos. We should fix underlying issues that degrade life for transgender people. Including reliance on passports to denote prison processes etc. | |||
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"It sounds like someone is trying to create a problem where one doesn't really exist. A vast majority of the population identify as either male or female, so the problems only affect a very tiny percentage of the population." First world problems and more bull shit. In my lifetime I've witnessed extreme bigotry, prejudice and every type of "ic" and "ism", but fuck me, things are getting ridiculous in this vain quest not to "offend" anyone. | |||
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"passports and driving licenses should not state if the holder is male or female because it causes 'problems' for transgender people re bbc tele text news now PC gone mad and then a bit further Male or Female only; if you are born the wrong sex then choose the correct sex" Never thought I'd agree with any thread containing "pc gone mad", or even think that, but this was word for word what I thought reading the op. | |||
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"passports and driving licenses should not state if the holder is male or female because it causes 'problems' for transgender people re bbc tele text news now PC gone mad and then a bit further Male or Female only; if you are born the wrong sex then choose the correct sexNonsense. Nonsense for you but not to perhaps 99% of the population There are only two sexes; male or female; call yourself whatever you will but that does not mean the the vast majority of us have to suffer this PC bullsh*t heaped upon usOh another transphobic/hate minoraties post- no, to correct you, 99% DONT agree with you lol.Bigots are fairly rare now- will be a protected species soon.As for PC bullshit- that translates into- shit, I'm dumb.lol" When you have minorities like myself, first generation black who faced every kind of "ism"...saying it's pc bullshit gone mad, then you know. | |||
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"passports and driving licenses should not state if the holder is male or female because it causes 'problems' for transgender people re bbc tele text news now PC gone mad and then a bit further Male or Female only; if you are born the wrong sex then choose the correct sexNonsense. Nonsense for you but not to perhaps 99% of the population There are only two sexes; male or female; call yourself whatever you will but that does not mean the the vast majority of us have to suffer this PC bullsh*t heaped upon usOh another transphobic/hate minoraties post- no, to correct you, 99% DONT agree with you lol.Bigots are fairly rare now- will be a protected species soon.As for PC bullshit- that translates into- shit, I'm dumb.lol There is nothing transphobic about what I wrote and 99% do agree with me because they are either male or female; you may not think you are male but are female and you have been given a choice to select your gender as female, if that is who you feel you are But don't pile your problems onto me and othersWow-spittin vemon. my problems? I dont work, I drive a £40 car, own 2 houses- who are you to tell me I've got problems?? (except bigots, an I hate them). Who mare the 'others' you speak so generously for?? 99% agree with you? grow up.Lol I don't give two hoots as to how many cars you drive and how much lingerie you own. You are either male or you are female But if you like, the vast majority can add a category for you; TV/CD/HPV/TS/TG/Transgender Go get a life and whilst you are at it, look around; you will either see men or womenTransphobic remarks again. My you really hate us don't you?? Idiot. No, you hate us. You have a problem and you want to involve all of us in your problem I am quite willing to support those who need support. But I'll be damned if I am going to let some bloke in a dress walk in to the changing room in my gym claiming that he is a laydee; enough is enoughlol is it because the guys don't fancy you?? can put in a good word for you if you like baby, got a few who might be interest. Will whisper in their ears for you.xxxOh sorry- asked around- nobody wants a transphobic bint,it seems. .xx"Your aggressive, condescending, nasty approach typifies all that is wrong in this me me world. If I don't get my way: attack!!! Look around: there are two sexes: male and female. If your born male, identify as female then you transcend. I have no qualms (much) at NHS funds being spent helping those that need to "find" themselves live as they want to, but I'll be damned if my life has to be inconvenienced in any way to make it happen. | |||
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"This may well be a controversial comment, but how does it change if the question was, 'do you have a Y chromosome?'. Regardless of which gender you identify as, what surgeries and hormones you take, that is something which will not change. Obviously this is only relevant in terms of genetic investigation for criminal justice etc. For day to day purposes I'd use she if they look like a she, he if they look like a he, and if I'm not sure I'd look at a name for a clue. " You are correct; if that person is born with XX then they remain XX. That is, if they were born with XX Similarly, if born with XY then they remain XY However, if only life were this simple the IOC would not have had to revise its sex determination protocols People are born with an extra X or Y chromosome too and the condition is more widespread than was first estimated in the 1960s (I think) On top of that, a fair number of people have PAIS or in extreme cases CAIS. CAIS has the same effect as a testosterone blocker. However, unlike these drugs which are orally administered, a person with CAIS has all effects of testosterone blockers prior to birth. This results in female characteristics despite the fact that the sexually dimorphic brain structures remain male. The condition is usually diagnosed mid puberty when concerned parents take her to a hospital as menstruation has not started. The usual determination is through x-ray and ultra-sound where instead of ovaries, undecended testicles are detected. The normal course of action is sex change surgery Like I said, if life were so simple we would all be walking around with DNA testing kits and taking swabs of each other The gender marker is changed on the PNC but the previous gender marker is linked to it. If your concern is truly about crime prevention and detection, then sleep easy as these people won't get away merely by changing their sex. This is something I know a lot about; we've got them by the short and curlies  | |||
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"passports and driving licenses should not state if the holder is male or female because it causes 'problems' for transgender people re bbc tele text news now" Surely this isn't a serious proposal... It's one of the daftest things I've read on here.... Whoever is behind this proposal needs take a look outside their own little bubble....  | |||
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"I don't really know why cisgendered people are worried about it. It wont cost you anything, it wont inconvenience you. In fact if they did it without making an announcement about it I doubt that you would even notice something was different when it came round to renewing your passport or DL. I know I wouldn't. " I am not worried about this at all. I couldn't care less if they removed my gender from my passport. What would be nicer is if the removed my date of birth too as at my age, I need all the help I can get
However, there are security implications to be considered and just because Australia did it (a continent which isn't facing the terror threat like Europe is) is no reason that the United Kingdom or Europe should follow blindly
In addition, if this is being done to help transgender people then the help is lip-service. How on Earth does it help someone who feels that they are born a sex other than their birth sex. They can already change the sex on their passport without ever coming even within a mile of a surgeon's scalpel. I cannot (and will not) speak on their behalf but am all ears to any valid argument
What could happen is a backlash against them from mainstream society who may see this as yet another concession made for a small number of women who, from their point-of-view, like to cut their hair short and challenge blokes to a match of arm-wrestling
I think that such 'tweeks' will be better done to detect gender issues earlier and to provide assistance and counselling to those who are facing one of the most difficult issues that life can throw at them. Ofcourse, I am talking about first-world issues here. A transgender person in Syria has bigger fish to fry than a gender marker on their passport or a decision whether to wear proper trousers or just slacks | |||
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"Oh I think anyone who wants ID documents giving a gender are quite welcome providing I can demand visual proof that it matchs their genitals. Get yer bits out That wouldn't help me. I identify as a woman who's had gender reassignment procedures to male. Even though i was born with a "male" body. " Sorry.....was just following the debate (very divisive as usual) but this post puzzled me. You were born as a male Identify as a woman Had surgery to make you male? That doesn't seem to follow if you were born male you don't need surgery to be male and why would you if you identify as female? | |||
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"passports and driving licenses should not state if the holder is male or female because it causes 'problems' for transgender people re bbc tele text news now PC gone mad and then a bit further Male or Female only; if you are born the wrong sex then choose the correct sexNonsense. Nonsense for you but not to perhaps 99% of the population There are only two sexes; male or female; call yourself whatever you will but that does not mean the the vast majority of us have to suffer this PC bullsh*t heaped upon usOh another transphobic/hate minoraties post- no, to correct you, 99% DONT agree with you lol.Bigots are fairly rare now- will be a protected species soon.As for PC bullshit- that translates into- shit, I'm dumb.lol" Maybe not a scientific approach but if you spent all day stopping people in the street and gaving them 5 seconds to answer the question "Name the human genders" I'm fairly confident that while it may not be 99% it will be pretty close to it. Doesn't make then bigots. | |||
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"Oh I think anyone who wants ID documents giving a gender are quite welcome providing I can demand visual proof that it matchs their genitals. Get yer bits out That wouldn't help me. I identify as a woman who's had gender reassignment procedures to male. Even though i was born with a "male" body. Sorry.....was just following the debate (very divisive as usual) but this post puzzled me. You were born as a male Identify as a woman Had surgery to make you male? That doesn't seem to follow if you were born male you don't need surgery to be male and why would you if you identify as female?" It doesn't matter if that's who i believe i am and want to be identified as. Apparently. | |||
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"Oh I think anyone who wants ID documents giving a gender are quite welcome providing I can demand visual proof that it matchs their genitals. Get yer bits out That wouldn't help me. I identify as a woman who's had gender reassignment procedures to male. Even though i was born with a "male" body. Sorry.....was just following the debate (very divisive as usual) but this post puzzled me. You were born as a male Identify as a woman Had surgery to make you male? That doesn't seem to follow if you were born male you don't need surgery to be male and why would you if you identify as female? It doesn't matter if that's who i believe i am and want to be identified as. Apparently." OK, Klingon of Qo'noS | |||
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"passports and driving licenses should not state if the holder is male or female because it causes 'problems' for transgender people re bbc tele text news now Good idea but won't the name give it away Unless they ban all names that are not unisex "
Precisely. What will we ban or remove next?
Instead, the time thinking about these things or resources spent (not in this case) will be better channelled in doing something positive (and cost effective) to truly help people
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Precisely. What will we ban or remove next?
Instead, the time thinking about these things or resources spent (not in this case) will be better channelled in doing something positive (and cost effective) to truly help people
Counselling comes to mind (no pun intended). Awareness amongst mainstream society is another worthwhile cause"Pretty sure the misery caused by the recent floods in the north of England probably affected more of the population that this non-issue. The money would be better spent actually doing something proactive to prevent future flooding rather than worrying about an 'M' or 'F' on a document that not everyone has and even fewer really care about. | |||
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"It seems a bit like using a sledgehammer to crack a tiny tiny nut. If the M/F classification on passports is causing problems for a small number of people, is there a way of mitigating those without having to overhaul the whole system for the 99.99% too?" I've done a (very) small bit of digging, so forgive me if my figures aren't 100% accurate. Only 76% of UK citizens hold a valid passport. Of the entire UK population only 0.01% identify as transgender this figure increases to 1-5 if you include crossdressers and those who class themselves as androgynous (bare in mind this only counts known transgender people, the figure would be slightly higher if no one was 'in the closet'). Basically it affects less than 1% of the population. | |||
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"It seems a bit like using a sledgehammer to crack a tiny tiny nut. If the M/F classification on passports is causing problems for a small number of people, is there a way of mitigating those without having to overhaul the whole system for the 99.99% too?" M/F/T (T for Transgender) or M/F/X or M/F/O (X for Unknown or Undecided and O for Other). It can be anything which the majority of the people affected, decide That way, the security needs (such as they are) are met, the majority of the population remains unaffected and those who really need a separate marker are given the choice The tiny percentage of our population who will choose to use T or X or O or whatever else, will not cause much negative impact on the security of the borders Only thing which will need changing is the on-line passport application form which is easy enough to do and costs next to nothing. The passport in itself will remain unchanged and will still conform to the European Standards Just a thought | |||
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"It seems a bit like using a sledgehammer to crack a tiny tiny nut. If the M/F classification on passports is causing problems for a small number of people, is there a way of mitigating those without having to overhaul the whole system for the 99.99% too? M/F/T (T for Transgender) or M/F/X or M/F/O (X for Unknown or Undecided and O for Other). It can be anything which the majority of the people affected, decide That way, the security needs (such as they are) are met, the majority of the population remains unaffected and those who really need a separate marker are given the choice The tiny percentage of our population who will choose to use T or X or O or whatever else, will not cause much negative impact on the security of the borders Only thing which will need changing is the on-line passport application form which is easy enough to do and costs next to nothing. The passport in itself will remain unchanged and will still conform to the European Standards Just a thought" That makes sense, and would seem a better option than removing altogether. | |||
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"How do you decide who is able to choose T, X,O This will be a option open to everyone yeah? Because I may go for O if I think i may avoid detection or be able to avoid attention from an authority. And completely swap and change my appearance and gender when i wish." Anything other than M or F would be self-determination. So, in effect, I could choose F or T but not M Yes, there is that risk but it is a lessor risk to security than if the identifier was removed completely Like I said, it is just a thought. It is upto those who are directly affected to decide as long as their decision does not impact negatively on the remainder on on our collective security | |||
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"passports and driving licenses should not state if the holder is male or female because it causes 'problems' for transgender people re bbc tele text news now Surely this isn't a serious proposal... It's one of the daftest things I've read on here.... the person is a tory mp maria miller if you google herit should come up what she is proposing maria miller /transgender Whoever is behind this proposal needs take a look outside their own little bubble.... " | |||
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"And travelling to any country that requires visa and/or landing card would also need to change their documents and systems ....." Good point; I hadn't even thought of that; I do not know what the solution is "I see the point you are making. But they can get a gender recognition certificate and legally apply for the documents they wish to be identified as. To start making that flexibility for people whom are in a state of transition between genders. or people whom get upset because someone uses the wrong terminology. Because that individual has been completely consumed by gender dysphoria. Is changing the rules of society to suit an individuals mental condition." Ultimately, the final decision lies with those who are affected. And if there is a way for them to make their lives better without adversely affecting others, then why not. Those who are not affected can only make suggestions, which may not be suitable at all | |||
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"Oh I think anyone who wants ID documents giving a gender are quite welcome providing I can demand visual proof that it matchs their genitals. Get yer bits out That wouldn't help me. I identify as a woman who's had gender reassignment procedures to male. Even though i was born with a "male" body. Oh f**k off, you
oh my! You're lucky I'm not offended! My friend would have been, they were born female but identify as a straight male who had a 'thing' for lesbians (hence the strap on and marker pen 5 o'clock shadow.) who had gender reassignment procedures (he didn't but it's how she identifies) to give him a female body which he now uses to have straight sex with. Although of course his girlfriend's think she's a lesbian not a straight man in a woman's body who fancies having lesbian sex.
Come again
Seriously, there are people out there who are really suffering whilst some idiots are walking around wanting to remove sex from passports etc because their faces are not matching their lingerie
Like I said; PC gone mad"
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the person is a tory mp maria miller if you google herit should come up what she is proposing maria miller /transgender
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Chair of the Women and Equalities Select Committee …….. the same Maria Miller who quit as culture secretary during the expenses roe even though she was cleared of funding a home for her parents at taxpayers' expense and told to repay £5,800 of the expenses she claimed which was a lot less than the £45,000 the independent parliamentary commissioner for standards had previously recommended she repay.
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"passports and driving licenses should not state if the holder is male or female because it causes 'problems' for transgender people re bbc tele text news now PC gone mad and then a bit further Male or Female only; if you are born the wrong sex then choose the correct sexNonsense. Nonsense for you but not to perhaps 99% of the population There are only two sexes; male or female; call yourself whatever you will but that does not mean the the vast majority of us have to suffer this PC bullsh*t heaped upon usOh another transphobic/hate minoraties post- no, to correct you, 99% DONT agree with you lol.Bigots are fairly rare now- will be a protected species soon.As for PC bullshit- that translates into- shit, I'm dumb.lol There is nothing transphobic about what I wrote and 99% do agree with me because they are either male or female; you may not think you are male but are female and you have been given a choice to select your gender as female, if that is who you feel you are But don't pile your problems onto me and othersWow-spittin vemon. my problems? I dont work, I drive a £40 car, own 2 houses- who are you to tell me I've got problems?? (except bigots, an I hate them). Who mare the 'others' you speak so generously for?? 99% agree with you? grow up.Lol I don't give two hoots as to how many cars you drive and how much lingerie you own. You are either male or you are female But if you like, the vast majority can add a category for you; TV/CD/HPV/TS/TG/Transgender Go get a life and whilst you are at it, look around; you will either see men or women" Once again, more offensive and transphobic crap from Josie... Just like the post the other day. I thought you said you were going to be better in the future? Or were you just taking the piss out of me? | |||
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Sorry you do not qualify unless it is on your passport "What if I don't have a passport or a driving licence; does that mean I don't exist or does that mean I can't be the Angry gender? | |||
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