FabSwingers.com forum: Gay couple win hearing

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Just heard news on the news about this gay couple who had been turned away from a Christian hotel in Cornwall. They have won there case. But my feelings are and I'm no way Christian or homophobic but I feel that if it's your home as well as your business you have a right to turn someone down it's your choice.

What are your views on this? Would a straight couple be turned down staying in a gay hotel?

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Trouble is it's Hotels one day.....then what next?

Pubs....Clubs....Buses....Shops....Jobs?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

this opens up another round of compensation claims for hurt feelings based on anything.

just think. you could sue a timewaster for hurting you and making you depressed.

great eh.

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By *eppersCouple
over a year ago

telford

Thats where the problem lies when you run a business from home i suppose,

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I agree there it could get silly and this may open up alot of new claims. I know straight friends that came and stayed at The Cliff House Hotel in Torquay and they were made so welcome they go every year now. I've had a meal there with them and the atmosphere was fantastic. Highly recommended to all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

According to them it had nothing to do with their sexuality - they didn't allow unmarried people to share a room!!

I had to read that twice!!

All you Fabsters who like hotel meets...well, you know where NOT to go!!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Thats where the problem lies when you run a business from home i suppose, "

and if I ran a business from home like a B&B then I too would be careful who I let stay

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"According to them it had nothing to do with their sexuality - they didn't allow unmarried people to share a room!!

I had to read that twice!!

All you Fabsters who like hotel meets...well, you know where NOT to go!!!

I know but they are classed as married as they'd have a civil ceremony. Well to me anyway. But as Christians I guess they don't class that as married.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

purely my opinion but i think they have the right to turn them away. If a landlord doesnt like a punter he can kick them out, or if people are too rowdy in nightclubs they too can be kicked out

I wouldnt allow someone into my establishment if i wasnt happy with the situation..

for the record though.. i love gay men and women! xx

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

As chrisitians they would believe a gay couple to be sinners.

But then presumably they believe the entire planet and everything on it was created by a wee magic man in the sky.

In just under a week.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well its one up for the gays now bi one get one free have got a case for going into a swingers club as a couple and not as two single guys.

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By *eppersCouple
over a year ago

telford

wouldn't we all be in a pickle if travel lodge (other hotels are also avaliable) where to be that picky, i'm sorry but if you run a business like that, do you have the moral right to decide who you let out a room too,. If the sign outside the hotel stipulated that fact like camp sites do like no single groups of men or familys only or no motor bikers then i suppose it would be acceptable.but no warning then you can't be picky.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder what would happen if a Muslim church posted a sign outside saying 'No non-Muslims'. Would Christians claim for discrimination for not being allowed in?

Would a court answer that claim by determining that it was probably a little unwise to try and gain entry and that maybe compensation is what you are really after?

Isn't this much the same? An hotelier, who also happens to be a devout Christian, prefers to follow his convictions and prevent anyone that his faith deems as immoral from staying at his establishment.

It's his monmey he's invested in his business so it should be down to him to say who stays and who doesn't. Doesn't the proprietor of a hotel or pub have a sign above the entrance saying 'The proprietor reserves the right to refuse admission on any grounds whatsoever'?

This case smacks of compensation, compensation, compensation.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Loads of B&Bs here in Plymouth won't accept a group of men and say so but happy to accept a group of ladies. Now both on stag and hen weekends are just as bad. Well I'd say us ladies are worse lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"wouldn't we all be in a pickle if travel lodge (other hotels are also avaliable) where to be that picky, i'm sorry but if you run a business like that, do you have the moral right to decide who you let out a room too,. If the sign outside the hotel stipulated that fact like camp sites do like no single groups of men or familys only or no motor bikers then i suppose it would be acceptable.but no warning then you can't be picky."

its not a case of moral rights or being picky, gay couples have legal rights to be treat the same as everyone else, its 2011 now and theres such a thing as equl rights, just as you cant turn someone down for a job for being gay you cant stop them from going into shops, hotels or anywhere else based purely on sexuality

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

So what IS the situation with single sex groups? Loads of B&B's have a rule of no single sex parties, would that meant they now have to accept them? If not, you could still stop Gay/Lesbian couples from staying!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just heard news on the news about this gay couple who had been turned away from a Christian hotel in Cornwall. They have won there case. But my feelings are and I'm no way Christian or homophobic but I feel that if it's your home as well as your business you have a right to turn someone down it's your choice.

What are your views on this? Would a straight couple be turned down staying in a gay hotel?"

seriously?

so if someone was running a buisness from home would you think it was ok to turn someone away for being black too?

i cant believe people still have that kind of attitude

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So what IS the situation with single sex groups? Loads of B&B's have a rule of no single sex parties, would that meant they now have to accept them? If not, you could still stop Gay/Lesbian couples from staying!

i think the idea of no single sex groups is based on the fact they usually come back pissed up and roudy, waking other customers up and falling over breaking stuff

not really the same as banning someone purely based on what sex their partner is

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

If it was me and my hotel if I didn't feel comfortable with the person staying then I'd say.

It's nothing to do with being racist or homophobic to to do with choice are we in a society where we can't say no anymore in fear of upsetting someone?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

How many gypsys get turned away from hotels I remember watching thst gypsy weddings last year and when they was having a wedding all hotels turned them down

It's actually on tonight I think

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

This case says more about the parties involved than it does about wider society.

The gay couple would have had other places they could have stayed, but they wanted to make their point.

The Chrisitan owners of the B&B could have let them in, but wanted to make their point.

Thus the situation arises where it becomes a legal matter.

But in reality, both sides just want to justify their own point of view.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whilst I agree that it is wrong to discriminate against anyone, I feel the bigger wrong is the payment of compensation for hurt feelings.

I would have thought that the couple deserved an apology and any out of pocket expenses they incurred as a result of being denied their booking, but how anyone can assign a value to them being upset and hurt by a refusal to have a room is beyond me.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

My point was as they had won it's opens the gates for anyone whether it's right or wrong ad was poster said on here where do you stop?

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"My point was as they had won it's opens the gates for anyone whether it's right or wrong ad was poster said on here where do you stop?"

Easy....it stops at the laws of the land that do not permit discrimination on the basis of sexual preference.

These laws are there to protect everyone in the land....even Christians.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If it was me and my hotel if I didn't feel comfortable with the person staying then I'd say.

It's nothing to do with being racist or homophobic to to do with choice are we in a society where we can't say no anymore in fear of upsetting someone? "

actually yes we are lol

there are laws that say you cant refuse to serve someone based on sexuality and colour/religion now days, and personally i think its a good thing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They'll be banning the bible next

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"They'll be banning the bible next

I live in hope.

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By *orestersCouple
over a year ago

The Forest

"They'll be banning the bible next

When did you last see one in a hotel room? Have to prop open the window with a tv remote these days.

But re. the B&B thing, the laws are a bit scatty - when you open a B&B it ceases to be a home with a business and becomes a business with residential accommodation. Under the law, people can't be refused a room unless the owners can show that they believe the prospective guests may cause disruption leading to financial loss.

IMO in this case the owners were guilty of not knowing the law. They could have refused the gay couple entry on the grounds potential disruption, and it would have been fairly difficult to prove otherwise.

It seems a bit daft to me that they turned the couple away - gay money is worth as much as straight money (unless it's a 9 bob note)

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

Once you run a business you have to comply with the law... the owner's right to refuse does not give them the right to ignore the law.

That's not my opinion, it's a fact.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They never refused then entry or a room though, they only refused them a double room, its a funny one, although not sure why unmarried couples or gay couples would choose to visit a christian hotel anyway

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

To make a point.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"To make a point.

Probably.

But.... can't gay people believe in God?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You're probably right

So the moral of the story is that 2 rights can make a wrong

Commenting on the ruling John Wadham, from the Equality and Human Rights Commission said: "The right of an individual to practise their religion and live out their beliefs is one of the most fundamental rights a person can have, but so is the right not to be turned away by a hotel just because you are gay."

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"To make a point.

Probably.

But.... can't gay people believe in God?"

Of course they can.

Whether God believes in them is another matter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have you read the website

Special Note:

Here at Chymorvah we have few rules, but please note that as Christians we have a deep regard for marriage(being the union of one man to one woman for life to the exclusion of all others).

Therefore, although we extend to all a warm welcome to our home, our double bedded accommodation is not available to unmarried couples – Thank you.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

And a same sex civil partnership has equal rights to those of a married male and female couple and cannot be discriminated against and treated less favourably because of their shared gender.

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By *edangel_2013Woman
over a year ago

southend

I wonder if they'd ask to see a marriage certificate just to get a double bed.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Well having read there website and if it was put up before this couple went then you'd think they would avoid that hotel. I certainly would if me and say a girlfriend could no go. No point being turned away

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And a same sex civil partnership has equal rights to those of a married male and female couple and cannot be discriminated against and treated less favourably because of their shared gender."

Unless they visit a swinging club

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"And a same sex civil partnership has equal rights to those of a married male and female couple and cannot be discriminated against and treated less favourably because of their shared gender.

Unless they visit a swinging club

Sadly, we know that is the case.... don't make it right though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hmmmm...I wonder what their policy is on mixed race couples?!!

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By *appyfuckerMan
over a year ago

in a happy place north wales coast

imagine the cpl that run the hotel booking into buddies by mistake lmao

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Twenty odd years ago there used to be a pub out in the sticks in Lincolnshire.

They had a sign on the door "NO DOGS, GYPO'S OR BIKERS!".

Well that was me out on all three counts

Wonder if the signs still there?

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By *appyfuckerMan
over a year ago

in a happy place north wales coast

"Twenty odd years ago there used to be a pub out in the sticks in Lincolnshire.

They had a sign on the door "NO DOGS, GYPO'S OR BIKERS!".

Well that was me out on all three counts

Wonder if the signs still there?

XX"
mee 2 sod them were still having fun there more than likly out of trade now my mates we bring good banter to the bar & put loads over it too

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

it is an interesting topic...... especially in the light of this little nugget in the Guardian today....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2011/jan/18/jeremy-joseph-gay-one-direction

have a read of it.... does make you wonder

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"it is an interesting topic...... especially in the light of this little nugget in the Guardian today....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2011/jan/18/jeremy-joseph-gay-one-direction

have a read of it.... does make you wonder"

Hmmm.. I just read the Guardian article and it does seem that this particular individual wants it all his own way. He wants the profits that booking a mainstream act would bring but he'd rather filter out the very people that make that act mainstream.

I'm all for equal rights but it's a road that runs in both directions. I'd stake my life that any court case brought against G-A-Y would not result in the same outcome the rejected gay hotel guests enjoyed.

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