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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

So after going to a gig last night to see a great metal band called tremonti, i was yet again amazed at the way the security/health and safety work in these places.

We arrived at the doors where we were told to empty our pockets ready to be scanned with a handheld metal detector, they let me and my friend through no problem with 2 lighters and my friend had some medication, once through we overheard an argument behind us because security were confiscating a packet of chewing gum from a guy. Yeah crazy I know

We then decided to get a drink, due to me driving I bought a bottle of water (for £3 believe it or not!) to be told "I'm sorry but for safety reasons I have to remove the lid"

This is what baffles me, now at any point during this gig me or my friend could cause a fire, spike someone's drink and potentionally put a lot of people's lives in danger yet I was not allowed to keep the lid to the bottle of water I payed £3 for which got knocked over and the poor guy downstairs had to suffer with bad breath all night because he no longer had his chewing gum.

It amazes me how they work out what is safe and what isn't safe and it didn't fill me with much confidence in the people around me. I was hoping the security to be a lot more thorough and strict especially after the Paris attacks. Anyone else witnessed some shocking security at any events recently?

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By *adybee77Woman
over a year ago

MAMOBA, miles and miles of bugger all (Aberdeenshire)

From friends who work gig security... it is the venue that chooses whats on the prohibited list.

Medication cannot be confiscated for obvious reasons.

A few venues I know have banned chewing gum as many people just spit it onto the floor when they are done with it, which then leaves sticky messes which someone has to pick off the floor.

They remove the lid so you cannot throw it and hurt someone. Being hit with a half full bottle of water hurts, being hit with an empty one, less so.

Hope tremonti was good! I've seen them before, and they rocked.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I used to do F.A. at gigs and can understand the chewing gum thing , if he had some in his mouth and was bumped it could cause him to choke, perhaps there was a prior incident of this. With removal of lid it is so a heavy plastic bottle can't be thrown , without the lid the contents will spill out if thrown and it will be a lot lighter. I think the lighters should have been removed though.

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I understand the choking part of chewing gum not so much the sticking to the floor, please find me a music venue that hasn't got sticky floor by the end of the night it baffles me because ok they don't want you chewing gum but they let the mosh pits happen, they don't want you throwing bottles of water but they let you in with lighters yet you can burn the place down, they don't want you using drugs (security sniffed my wallet for drugs) yet ask for no proof of what the medication was.

I understand there's only so much they can do, they have a lot of people to get through the doors. I did feel like giving him my lighter and saying "here you have it, I don't wanna burn the place down"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So after going to a gig last night to see a great metal band called tremonti, i was yet again amazed at the way the security/health and safety work in these places.

We arrived at the doors where we were told to empty our pockets ready to be scanned with a handheld metal detector, they let me and my friend through no problem with 2 lighters and my friend had some medication, once through we overheard an argument behind us because security were confiscating a packet of chewing gum from a guy. Yeah crazy I know

We then decided to get a drink, due to me driving I bought a bottle of water (for £3 believe it or not!) to be told "I'm sorry but for safety reasons I have to remove the lid"

This is what baffles me, now at any point during this gig me or my friend could cause a fire, spike someone's drink and potentionally put a lot of people's lives in danger yet I was not allowed to keep the lid to the bottle of water I payed £3 for which got knocked over and the poor guy downstairs had to suffer with bad breath all night because he no longer had his chewing gum.

It amazes me how they work out what is safe and what isn't safe and it didn't fill me with much confidence in the people around me. I was hoping the security to be a lot more thorough and strict especially after the Paris attacks. Anyone else witnessed some shocking security at any events recently?"

Just because you don't understand the reasons, doesn't make it wrong. Seems to me the Security were doing their jobs correctly!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


" Hope tremonti was good! I've seen them before, and they rocked."

They were very good, one of my favourites

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was told when they took the lid off my under 10 kids bottle of Coke that with the lid on it could

Be used has a weapon. Don't worry about the 10 blokes who just walked in

Pissed I said who you will serve more beer to

Total nanny state idiots like the chewing gum ban. In case a poor adult chokes.

Give someone an orange hi vi and they are very helpful. Gives others one and they turn it in to gorilla warfare.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You probably couldn't set the place on fire with a lighter, now a can of petrol probably would be confiscated.

I have worked many security jobs and sometimes the list of prohibited items has confused the staff, but as said previously the venue provides the list, and it is genrally sensible based on previous audience behaviour.

If one person turned up with an AK47 I would probably try and fail to stop them getting g in, if 6 turned up there would be nothing I or any other security could do about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

n.b. if I had to scrape chewing gum off the tables each morning I would ban it too. stuff the risk of swallow it, it's the thoughtless idiots that preceeded you that formed the rules we have to enforce.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I used to work in leisure centres and a weekly activity was to go around and scrape chewing gum off the walls, floors, under tables, out of lockers... It takes harsh freezing chemicals to remove it if you don't get it early enough.

I wouldn't ban the stuff at a gig venue, I'd ban the fucking stuff from sale in the entire country.

I believe the reason for banning bottle caps is that they can be used as missiles. An empty plastic bottle will hurt much less than a full one with the lid on, or a lid alone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I used to work in leisure centres and a weekly activity was to go around and scrape chewing gum off the walls, floors, under tables, out of lockers... It takes harsh freezing chemicals to remove it if you don't get it early enough.

I wouldn't ban the stuff at a gig venue, I'd ban the fucking stuff from sale in the entire country.

I believe the reason for banning bottle caps is that they can be used as missiles. An empty plastic bottle will hurt much less than a full one with the lid on, or a lid alone."

The bottle lid is so you drink it quicker and possibly buy another one.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I can't imagine any rich snobs wanting to throw a bottle, and let's face it you have to be a rich snob to be able to afford throwing a full £3 bottle of water.

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By *adybee77Woman
over a year ago

MAMOBA, miles and miles of bugger all (Aberdeenshire)


"I can't imagine any rich snobs wanting to throw a bottle, and let's face it you have to be a rich snob to be able to afford throwing a full £3 bottle of water. "

rich snobs? uhm wow.

From having been knocked out at download a few years ago by a water bottle thrown with the lid on... I can assure you its not pleasant - all kinds of people throw things about... and I'm guessing it wasn't a "rich snob" (BTW water was £2.50 a bottle there and a few years ago now)

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By *b coupleCouple
over a year ago

southampton

Well I use to work security in London night clubs and gigs. No gum is for obvious reasons. Bottles don't hurt when empty. Blue lights in toilets hide veins so you can't shot up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I can't imagine any rich snobs wanting to throw a bottle, and let's face it you have to be a rich snob to be able to afford throwing a full £3 bottle of water. "

When I saw Madness a good few years ago the sax player for drenched with a bottle of water, and then later on the gig was stopped for half an hour because someone had chucked a pint of beer forwards into the crowd which landed on the main mixing desk which was on a tower in the crowd.

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By *edangel_2013Woman
over a year ago

southend

The last 'gig' I went to, well was a licensed warehouse rave, I was patted down by a male security guard, who stuck his hand under my top and into my bra to 'look for drugs'.

It ruined a really good night, and there was numerous other complaints about the security team.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I can't imagine any rich snobs wanting to throw a bottle, and let's face it you have to be a rich snob to be able to afford throwing a full £3 bottle of water. "

Naa at Download- they fill em full of piss and then throw em

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By *b coupleCouple
over a year ago

southampton


"The last 'gig' I went to, well was a licensed warehouse rave, I was patted down by a male security guard, who stuck his hand under my top and into my bra to 'look for drugs'.

It ruined a really good night, and there was numerous other complaints about the security team.

"

That's illegal. Sounds like a sexual assault Even female staff cannot search your bra.

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By *b coupleCouple
over a year ago

southampton


"I can't imagine any rich snobs wanting to throw a bottle, and let's face it you have to be a rich snob to be able to afford throwing a full £3 bottle of water.

Naa at Download- they fill em full of piss and then throw em "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The last 'gig' I went to, well was a licensed warehouse rave, I was patted down by a male security guard, who stuck his hand under my top and into my bra to 'look for drugs'.

It ruined a really good night, and there was numerous other complaints about the security team.

That's illegal. Sounds like a sexual assault Even female staff cannot search your bra."

Well yeah, but what are you going to do about it? If you complain, it's not like you can prove it. And you just won't be allowed in.

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By *obbytupperMan
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley


"I understand the choking part of chewing gum not so much the sticking to the floor, please find me a music venue that hasn't got sticky floor by the end of the night it baffles me because ok they don't want you chewing gum but they let the mosh pits happen, they don't want you throwing bottles of water but they let you in with lighters yet you can burn the place down, they don't want you using drugs (security sniffed my wallet for drugs) yet ask for no proof of what the medication was.

I understand there's only so much they can do, they have a lot of people to get through the doors. I did feel like giving him my lighter and saying "here you have it, I don't wanna burn the place down""

Don't visit Singapore, chewing gum is not allowed in the country at all. A cleaner place you'll not find.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

My mate who used to be a touring drummer for Saxon and does quite a lot of stage building for a lot of top bands these days would have told me about it I suppose

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By *b coupleCouple
over a year ago

southampton


"The last 'gig' I went to, well was a licensed warehouse rave, I was patted down by a male security guard, who stuck his hand under my top and into my bra to 'look for drugs'.

It ruined a really good night, and there was numerous other complaints about the security team.

That's illegal. Sounds like a sexual assault Even female staff cannot search your bra.

Well yeah, but what are you going to do about it? If you complain, it's not like you can prove it. And you just won't be allowed in."

Sorry but your wrong. All clubs in London have ridiculous amounts of cctv on the entrances. And most London clubs have been trying to get facial recognition cameras to help prevent stuff like this happening.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The last 'gig' I went to, well was a licensed warehouse rave, I was patted down by a male security guard, who stuck his hand under my top and into my bra to 'look for drugs'.

It ruined a really good night, and there was numerous other complaints about the security team.

That's illegal. Sounds like a sexual assault Even female staff cannot search your bra.

Well yeah, but what are you going to do about it? If you complain, it's not like you can prove it. And you just won't be allowed in.

Sorry but your wrong. All clubs in London have ridiculous amounts of cctv on the entrances. And most London clubs have been trying to get facial recognition cameras to help prevent stuff like this happening.

"

At a 'licensed warehouse rave'? - as specified in the post I was talking about.

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

All this health and safety focus makes it much easier for tapers to get recording gear in, ironically.

I went to a Euro 96 game at wembley, and had a bottle cap taken off me. Went to another game the following week, same happened, but nobody found the spare cap in my pocket....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So after going to a gig last night to see a great metal band called tremonti, i was yet again amazed at the way the security/health and safety work in these places.

We arrived at the doors where we were told to empty our pockets ready to be scanned with a handheld metal detector, they let me and my friend through no problem with 2 lighters and my friend had some medication, once through we overheard an argument behind us because security were confiscating a packet of chewing gum from a guy. Yeah crazy I know

We then decided to get a drink, due to me driving I bought a bottle of water (for £3 believe it or not!) to be told "I'm sorry but for safety reasons I have to remove the lid"

This is what baffles me, now at any point during this gig me or my friend could cause a fire, spike someone's drink and potentionally put a lot of people's lives in danger yet I was not allowed to keep the lid to the bottle of water I payed £3 for which got knocked over and the poor guy downstairs had to suffer with bad breath all night because he no longer had his chewing gum.

It amazes me how they work out what is safe and what isn't safe and it didn't fill me with much confidence in the people around me. I was hoping the security to be a lot more thorough and strict especially after the Paris attacks. Anyone else witnessed some shocking security at any events recently?"

you need to realise who the security firm is working for.

If crowd safety was the first priority, then you would have a different list of banned items.

Profit is the first priority of those employing security firms, whatever anyone says.

SIA and stewards get given their list, they do their job. Ok, you could argue that's the 'only following orders' defence, but most security and stewarding staff are on very low hourly rates, and their employer needs to answer to the event organiser/promoter.

I agree it's nuts, but don't blame the staff (not that you were). Look at the industry.

Obviously I have no experience of this, it's just what I've heard......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is Wolfgang Van Halen still playing bass for Tremonti?

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