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"ive worked with people with this and a lot of the time you wouldnt know anything was troubling them - just need the support when it goes that way " It's true, you wouldn't know  | |||
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"Old school friend was diagnosed a few years ago, I'm 1 of the only 1s from our old crowd who's syayed in touch since. "That's pretty shocking | |||
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"It's unfortunate that mental illnesses often don't get the same level of seriousness or sympathy that other illnesses (such as cancer) receive" | |||
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"Sometimes it can be really hard to be around people with serious mental health issues, different conditions have different symptoms, and those symptoms can be very challenging to say the least. It's easy to judge someone for distancing themselves from someone with a personality disorder, and no, you wouldn't leave someone with say cancer to fight alone, but mental health issues are very different to physical health issues. There are certain aspects of personality disorders that make living with the sufferer nigh on impossible, violent mood swings, lies, cheating, stealing, controlling behaviour and so on and so forth. Some people genuinely do love that person enough to stay through the worst of times, some people just love to be the matr, but for some people, it comes down to a choice, between someone who can't help hurting you, and could possibly one day do some damage that you won't walk away from, and leaving and saving children and so on from becoming damaged by the inevitable tensions, that come from not knowing what mood they are going to be in from one moment to the next. I feel for people who have personality disorders, but some times you just have to give up and say "enough" enough stress, enough pain, and enough scars" | |||
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"Sometimes it can be really hard to be around people with serious mental health issues, different conditions have different symptoms, and those symptoms can be very challenging to say the least. It's easy to judge someone for distancing themselves from someone with a personality disorder, and no, you wouldn't leave someone with say cancer to fight alone, but mental health issues are very different to physical health issues. There are certain aspects of personality disorders that make living with the sufferer nigh on impossible, violent mood swings, lies, cheating, stealing, controlling behaviour and so on and so forth. Some people genuinely do love that person enough to stay through the worst of times, some people just love to be the matr, but for some people, it comes down to a choice, between someone who can't help hurting you, and could possibly one day do some damage that you won't walk away from, and leaving and saving children and so on from becoming damaged by the inevitable tensions, that come from not knowing what mood they are going to be in from one moment to the next. I feel for people who have personality disorders, but some times you just have to give up and say "enough" enough stress, enough pain, and enough scars" | |||
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"I used to manage a supported housing scheme for those men over the age of 35 all suffers of this illness, they were complex characters only because they were a nightmare with taking their medication. The most horrific thing I encountered was the sectioning of one man. I also used to have to walk to the post office with another guy to pick up his money and he always made me walk on the inside.....he always used to say I was that special of a human being he didn't want anything to happen to me. I came out of the mental health profession as I burnt out. One of the most rewarding jobs I ever had. " This is my point, if a mental health care professional such as yourself can burn out, imagine what it's like for someone who lives it 24/7 | |||
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"Sometimes it can be really hard to be around people with serious mental health issues, different conditions have different symptoms, and those symptoms can be very challenging to say the least. It's easy to judge someone for distancing themselves from someone with a personality disorder, and no, you wouldn't leave someone with say cancer to fight alone, but mental health issues are very different to physical health issues. There are certain aspects of personality disorders that make living with the sufferer nigh on impossible, violent mood swings, lies, cheating, stealing, controlling behaviour and so on and so forth. Some people genuinely do love that person enough to stay through the worst of times, some people just love to be the matr, but for some people, it comes down to a choice, between someone who can't help hurting you, and could possibly one day do some damage that you won't walk away from, and leaving and saving children and so on from becoming damaged by the inevitable tensions, that come from not knowing what mood they are going to be in from one moment to the next. I feel for people who have personality disorders, but some times you just have to give up and say "enough" enough stress, enough pain, and enough scars" I understand this. | |||
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"Old school friend was diagnosed a few years ago, I'm 1 of the only 1s from our old crowd who's syayed in touch since. "But do you know that's the reason why the other lost touch? I've lost touch with lots of people. It happens. If they think it's for a certain reason, they are wrong. | |||
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"It amazes me how many people have closed minds about it. "It stems from the portrayal of schizophrenia in tv/movies and the media,it is an easy subject to demonise after all due to lazy facts. | |||
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"I used to manage a supported housing scheme for those men over the age of 35 all suffers of this illness, they were complex characters only because they were a nightmare with taking their medication. The most horrific thing I encountered was the sectioning of one man. I also used to have to walk to the post office with another guy to pick up his money and he always made me walk on the inside.....he always used to say I was that special of a human being he didn't want anything to happen to me. I came out of the mental health profession as I burnt out. One of the most rewarding jobs I ever had. This is my point, if a mental health care professional such as yourself can burn out, imagine what it's like for someone who lives it 24/7" I know a few people who have relationships with those with mental health issues most function like normal people, you spoke about personality disorders which is one of the most hardest mental health issue to treat as there is no medication designed to assist. A lot of the time is exstensive CBT and talking therapy with some medication thrown in..... | |||
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It stems from the portrayal of schizophrenia in tv/movies and the media,it is an easy subject to demonise after all due to lazy facts." | |||
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"I used to manage a supported housing scheme for those men over the age of 35 all suffers of this illness, they were complex characters only because they were a nightmare with taking their medication. The most horrific thing I encountered was the sectioning of one man. I also used to have to walk to the post office with another guy to pick up his money and he always made me walk on the inside.....he always used to say I was that special of a human being he didn't want anything to happen to me. I came out of the mental health profession as I burnt out. One of the most rewarding jobs I ever had. This is my point, if a mental health care professional such as yourself can burn out, imagine what it's like for someone who lives it 24/7 I know a few people who have relationships with those with mental health issues most function like normal people, you spoke about personality disorders which is one of the most hardest mental health issue to treat as there is no medication designed to assist. A lot of the time is exstensive CBT and talking therapy with some medication thrown in....." In my experience though, having lived with someone with BPD, the therapists didn't have a hope in hell, she had developed a way of telling people what they wanted to hear, and found the right noises to make in order to get them off her back, she would constantly lie, to me, to her therapist, her CPN, EVERYONE. It was a full time job just keeping on top of the medication, and making sure she was taking the medication. | |||
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"Sometimes it can be really hard to be around people with serious mental health issues, different conditions have different symptoms, and those symptoms can be very challenging to say the least. It's easy to judge someone for distancing themselves from someone with a personality disorder, and no, you wouldn't leave someone with say cancer to fight alone, but mental health issues are very different to physical health issues. There are certain aspects of personality disorders that make living with the sufferer nigh on impossible, violent mood swings, lies, cheating, stealing, controlling behaviour and so on and so forth. Some people genuinely do love that person enough to stay through the worst of times, some people just love to be the matr, but for some people, it comes down to a choice, between someone who can't help hurting you, and could possibly one day do some damage that you won't walk away from, and leaving and saving children and so on from becoming damaged by the inevitable tensions, that come from not knowing what mood they are going to be in from one moment to the next. I feel for people who have personality disorders, but some times you just have to give up and say "enough" enough stress, enough pain, and enough scars" I agree with you. Two people in my life suffered mental illness. My husband, I tried being supportive for years but had to walk away with the children for our own sanity, and my youngest daughter, whose side I never and would never have left/given up on. Ironic those that judge the actions of others for not being "open minded" about certain things seem unable to open their own minds and understand not everything is black or white. | |||
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"Sometimes it can be really hard to be around people with serious mental health issues, different conditions have different symptoms, and those symptoms can be very challenging to say the least. It's easy to judge someone for distancing themselves from someone with a personality disorder, and no, you wouldn't leave someone with say cancer to fight alone, but mental health issues are very different to physical health issues. There are certain aspects of personality disorders that make living with the sufferer nigh on impossible, violent mood swings, lies, cheating, stealing, controlling behaviour and so on and so forth. Some people genuinely do love that person enough to stay through the worst of times, some people just love to be the matr, but for some people, it comes down to a choice, between someone who can't help hurting you, and could possibly one day do some damage that you won't walk away from, and leaving and saving children and so on from becoming damaged by the inevitable tensions, that come from not knowing what mood they are going to be in from one moment to the next. I feel for people who have personality disorders, but some times you just have to give up and say "enough" enough stress, enough pain, and enough scars I agree with you. Two people in my life suffered mental illness. My husband, I tried being supportive for years but had to walk away with the children for our own sanity, and my youngest daughter, whose side I never and would never have left/given up on. Ironic those that judge the actions of others for not being "open minded" about certain things seem unable to open their own minds and understand not everything is black or white." I do understand it. I was specifically talking about the heading of the post. | |||
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"It amazes me how many people have closed minds about it. "There's still a lot of stigma around mental illness generally. It's just an illness like any other but a lot of people seem to have trouble dealing with it. Strange really when you think about how many people do suffer from a mental illness of some kind. I do feel in recent years it's getting better. The general public are becoming more aware. It's a shame it's taken so long though. The more it gets publicised the more understanding people will become hopefully. | |||
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"Personality disorders are so different to schizophrenia and bi polar etc it's a complex diagnosis as there are many types of personality disorders. I'm sorry you had to go through all of that it's an emotive and often heart breaking thing to deal with and there is no wrong or right answer. " I still feel the need to be supportive of her, but there has to be that point where I can close the door, but I do feel that the funding for care of mental health patients is geared towards family and friends doing most of the care, as I found that it was hard to get any help outside of office hours. Anyway thanks for the free therapy session, I'm going to go back to being the kinky butler now, and frivolous posts on the forum lol | |||
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"Sometimes it can be really hard to be around people with serious mental health issues, different conditions have different symptoms, and those symptoms can be very challenging to say the least. It's easy to judge someone for distancing themselves from someone with a personality disorder, and no, you wouldn't leave someone with say cancer to fight alone, but mental health issues are very different to physical health issues. There are certain aspects of personality disorders that make living with the sufferer nigh on impossible, violent mood swings, lies, cheating, stealing, controlling behaviour and so on and so forth. Some people genuinely do love that person enough to stay through the worst of times, some people just love to be the matr, but for some people, it comes down to a choice, between someone who can't help hurting you, and could possibly one day do some damage that you won't walk away from, and leaving and saving children and so on from becoming damaged by the inevitable tensions, that come from not knowing what mood they are going to be in from one moment to the next. I feel for people who have personality disorders, but some times you just have to give up and say "enough" enough stress, enough pain, and enough scars I agree with you. Two people in my life suffered mental illness. My husband, I tried being supportive for years but had to walk away with the children for our own sanity, and my youngest daughter, whose side I never and would never have left/given up on. Ironic those that judge the actions of others for not being "open minded" about certain things seem unable to open their own minds and understand not everything is black or white. I do understand it. I was specifically talking about the heading of the post. " I didn't personalise my response: it was a general observation. | |||
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"Personality disorders are so different to schizophrenia and bi polar etc it's a complex diagnosis as there are many types of personality disorders. I'm sorry you had to go through all of that it's an emotive and often heart breaking thing to deal with and there is no wrong or right answer. I still feel the need to be supportive of her, but there has to be that point where I can close the door, but I do feel that the funding for care of mental health patients is geared towards family and friends doing most of the care, as I found that it was hard to get any help outside of office hours. Anyway thanks for the free therapy session, I'm going to go back to being the kinky butler now, and frivolous posts on the forum lol" If you need anything or pointing in the right direction or anything just PM me...it was more just guidance rather than counselling though  | |||
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"Personality disorders are so different to schizophrenia and bi polar etc it's a complex diagnosis as there are many types of personality disorders. I'm sorry you had to go through all of that it's an emotive and often heart breaking thing to deal with and there is no wrong or right answer. "
Its also very rare for it to be exclusively one illness/disorder/condition...almost everyone is on the sliding scale for several of them...its generally only diagnosed when it becomes disruptive or unmanageable or outside what is accepted as "normal" many people go undiagnosed because of this.. | |||
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"Sometimes it can be really hard to be around people with serious mental health issues, different conditions have different symptoms, and those symptoms can be very challenging to say the least. It's easy to judge someone for distancing themselves from someone with a personality disorder, and no, you wouldn't leave someone with say cancer to fight alone, but mental health issues are very different to physical health issues. There are certain aspects of personality disorders that make living with the sufferer nigh on impossible, violent mood swings, lies, cheating, stealing, controlling behaviour and so on and so forth. Some people genuinely do love that person enough to stay through the worst of times, some people just love to be the matr, but for some people, it comes down to a choice, between someone who can't help hurting you, and could possibly one day do some damage that you won't walk away from, and leaving and saving children and so on from becoming damaged by the inevitable tensions, that come from not knowing what mood they are going to be in from one moment to the next. I feel for people who have personality disorders, but some times you just have to give up and say "enough" enough stress, enough pain, and enough scars" I'm really glad you said that!!
It's not easy to be on the receiving end of a mental health issue. It's not easy to walk away from someone you love to preserve your own well being. It's not easy to be around someone who has changed into a whole other person who you just don't recognise any more. It's not easy to help someone who doesn't believe they are ill.
It's not easy all round so try not to judge those friends or family members when you don't understand what's going on first hand.
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"Sometimes it can be really hard to be around people with serious mental health issues, different conditions have different symptoms, and those symptoms can be very challenging to say the least. It's easy to judge someone for distancing themselves from someone with a personality disorder, and no, you wouldn't leave someone with say cancer to fight alone, but mental health issues are very different to physical health issues. There are certain aspects of personality disorders that make living with the sufferer nigh on impossible, violent mood swings, lies, cheating, stealing, controlling behaviour and so on and so forth. Some people genuinely do love that person enough to stay through the worst of times, some people just love to be the matr, but for some people, it comes down to a choice, between someone who can't help hurting you, and could possibly one day do some damage that you won't walk away from, and leaving and saving children and so on from becoming damaged by the inevitable tensions, that come from not knowing what mood they are going to be in from one moment to the next. I feel for people who have personality disorders, but some times you just have to give up and say "enough" enough stress, enough pain, and enough scars I'm really glad you said that!!
It's not easy to be on the receiving end of a mental health issue. It's not easy to walk away from someone you love to preserve your own well being. It's not easy to be around someone who has changed into a whole other person who you just don't recognise any more. It's not easy to help someone who doesn't believe they are ill.
It's not easy all round so try not to judge those friends or family members when you don't understand what's going on first hand.
Mental health has an effect on everyone involved. " | |||
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"Personality disorders are so different to schizophrenia and bi polar etc it's a complex diagnosis as there are many types of personality disorders. I'm sorry you had to go through all of that it's an emotive and often heart breaking thing to deal with and there is no wrong or right answer.
Its also very rare for it to be exclusively one illness/disorder/condition...almost everyone is on the sliding scale for several of them...its generally only diagnosed when it becomes disruptive or unmanageable or outside what is accepted as "normal" many people go undiagnosed because of this.."That's a really good point. I'm under the care of CMHT at the moment and I've REALLY had to fight to get it. It seems the level of care you receive is proportionate to how much of a problem you are to other people, and as it's my nature to withdraw and turn inwards rather than explode my needs are generally disregarded by the NHS. | |||
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"It's unfortunate that mental illnesses often don't get the same level of seriousness or sympathy that other illnesses (such as cancer) receive" It is probably because people are afraid of mental illness. I know that I can't catch cancer from someone, and neither can I catch a mental illness from someone. But some mental illnesses cause violent or usual behaviour and unless people are better informed, they are afraid | |||
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"I used to manage a supported housing scheme for those men over the age of 35 all suffers of this illness, they were complex characters only because they were a nightmare with taking their medication. The most horrific thing I encountered was the sectioning of one man. I also used to have to walk to the post office with another guy to pick up his money and he always made me walk on the inside.....he always used to say I was that special of a human being he didn't want anything to happen to me. I came out of the mental health profession as I burnt out. One of the most rewarding jobs I ever had. This is my point, if a mental health care professional such as yourself can burn out, imagine what it's like for someone who lives it 24/7 I know a few people who have relationships with those with mental health issues most function like normal people, you spoke about personality disorders which is one of the most hardest mental health issue to treat as there is no medication designed to assist. A lot of the time is exstensive CBT and talking therapy with some medication thrown in....." "most function like normal people" people with mental health are normal they just have an illness. | |||
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"It's unfortunate that mental illnesses often don't get the same level of seriousness or sympathy that other illnesses (such as cancer) receive" Illness and diseases that don't leave you looking ill "illnesses you can't see" Just get brushed under the carpet like you're making it up unfortunately | |||
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"I've suffered with depression /anxiety since 11 and at 14 tried to kill myself .the only help I received was 6 sessions of counseling, where the counsellor spent the whole time telling me I was selfish and to think how I hurt my family. For years been off and on medications Finally a Dr got me an appointment with the local mental health team who decided as I could get up daily shower and put clean clothes on and hold down a job I didn't need help .I was told this and if I wanted help the only way I'd get it is by trying to take my own life again . I know I'm not as ill as a lot I just wanted some help. So I'm going the self help /private route My family never discuss it and it's never been mentioned. Thanks just needed to unload it x" Nail on the head there, there is such little funding for mental health that you have to try and kill yourself or someone else before you get adequate help, but it's not helping, because those resources that are saved, are then spent on police, a&e, fire service in some cases, I wonder if anyone understands it at all | |||
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"Old school friend was diagnosed a few years ago, I'm 1 of the only 1s from our old crowd who's syayed in touch since.
But do you know that's the reason why the other lost touch?
I've lost touch with lots of people. It happens. If they think it's for a certain reason, they are wrong. "at least some of them are a direct result. I still have contact with the rest of the old crowd. They've admitted they didn't no what to say or how to be around her. | |||
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"Sometimes it can be really hard to be around people with serious mental health issues, different conditions have different symptoms, and those symptoms can be very challenging to say the least. It's easy to judge someone for distancing themselves from someone with a personality disorder, and no, you wouldn't leave someone with say cancer to fight alone, but mental health issues are very different to physical health issues. There are certain aspects of personality disorders that make living with the sufferer nigh on impossible, violent mood swings, lies, cheating, stealing, controlling behaviour and so on and so forth. Some people genuinely do love that person enough to stay through the worst of times, some people just love to be the matr, but for some people, it comes down to a choice, between someone who can't help hurting you, and could possibly one day do some damage that you won't walk away from, and leaving and saving children and so on from becoming damaged by the inevitable tensions, that come from not knowing what mood they are going to be in from one moment to the next. I feel for people who have personality disorders, but some times you just have to give up and say "enough" enough stress, enough pain, and enough scars I'm really glad you said that!!
It's not easy to be on the receiving end of a mental health issue. It's not easy to walk away from someone you love to preserve your own well being. It's not easy to be around someone who has changed into a whole other person who you just don't recognise any more. It's not easy to help someone who doesn't believe they are ill.
It's not easy all round so try not to judge those friends or family members when you don't understand what's going on first hand.
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"Old school friend was diagnosed a few years ago, I'm 1 of the only 1s from our old crowd who's syayed in touch since.
But do you know that's the reason why the other lost touch?
I've lost touch with lots of people. It happens. If they think it's for a certain reason, they are wrong. at least some of them are a direct result. I still have contact with the rest of the old crowd. They've admitted they didn't no what to say or how to be around her. "I'll admit to being one of those people. Like Diamondsmiles said, some people don't understand. However I would say no-one understands, not even the experts. One person may be an expert in one type/ their type. But they aren't an expert in all types. Often people get jumped on for saying the wrong thing. No matter what the subject is. It's often easier to just say nothing/ avoid that person/ situation. | |||
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"In our lives we encounter various people with different personalities . Some are appealing , others not so much . With family it's a different criteria as to whether you want to spend time with them . Obviously you would put more time into family than you would a random person . So looking at a schizophrenic who isn't a family member , one has a choice to make . Is this person someone I want to spend time with ? Potential problems , how to cope with the disorder , make it a choice hard to make . Why bother when there are plenty of options to share time with people who don't suffer the disorder ? So if we know a casual acquaintance has schizophrenia why would we want to invest time in establishing a relationship with that person ? Upon doing research into the condition , all manner of problems may lie ahead . So personally , I wouldn't want to get involved given the choice . I truly don't think I would be able to offer anything helpful if they had an episode . "
Gosh, you are brave to have written that. Politically incorrect but so true
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"In our lives we encounter various people with different personalities . Some are appealing , others not so much . With family it's a different criteria as to whether you want to spend time with them . Obviously you would put more time into family than you would a random person . So looking at a schizophrenic who isn't a family member , one has a choice to make . Is this person someone I want to spend time with ? Potential problems , how to cope with the disorder , make it a choice hard to make . Why bother when there are plenty of options to share time with people who don't suffer the disorder ? So if we know a casual acquaintance has schizophrenia why would we want to invest time in establishing a relationship with that person ? Upon doing research into the condition , all manner of problems may lie ahead . So personally , I wouldn't want to get involved given the choice . I truly don't think I would be able to offer anything helpful if they had an episode . " This would apply for me too. | |||
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"In our lives we encounter various people with different personalities . Some are appealing , others not so much . With family it's a different criteria as to whether you want to spend time with them . Obviously you would put more time into family than you would a random person . So looking at a schizophrenic who isn't a family member , one has a choice to make . Is this person someone I want to spend time with ? Potential problems , how to cope with the disorder , make it a choice hard to make . Why bother when there are plenty of options to share time with people who don't suffer the disorder ? So if we know a casual acquaintance has schizophrenia why would we want to invest time in establishing a relationship with that person ? Upon doing research into the condition , all manner of problems may lie ahead . So personally , I wouldn't want to get involved given the choice . I truly don't think I would be able to offer anything helpful if they had an episode .
Gosh, you are brave to have written that. Politically incorrect but so true
Whilst I will not run for the hills if I meet someone with a mental illness, I would not want to be alone with them either""Wouldn't want to be alone with them" why? Because on paper they might kill you? If they are taking their medication anyone would be fine around someone with it. | |||
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"In our lives we encounter various people with different personalities . Some are appealing , others not so much . With family it's a different criteria as to whether you want to spend time with them . Obviously you would put more time into family than you would a random person . So looking at a schizophrenic who isn't a family member , one has a choice to make . Is this person someone I want to spend time with ? Potential problems , how to cope with the disorder , make it a choice hard to make . Why bother when there are plenty of options to share time with people who don't suffer the disorder ? So if we know a casual acquaintance has schizophrenia why would we want to invest time in establishing a relationship with that person ? Upon doing research into the condition , all manner of problems may lie ahead . So personally , I wouldn't want to get involved given the choice . I truly don't think I would be able to offer anything helpful if they had an episode .
Gosh, you are brave to have written that. Politically incorrect but so true
Whilst I will not run for the hills if I meet someone with a mental illness, I would not want to be alone with them either"Why is it brave or politically incorrect? Has it really come to pass that we can't state a rational, personal statement, without fear of being deemed "brave?" | |||
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"I used to manage a supported housing scheme for those men over the age of 35 all suffers of this illness, they were complex characters only because they were a nightmare with taking their medication. The most horrific thing I encountered was the sectioning of one man. I also used to have to walk to the post office with another guy to pick up his money and he always made me walk on the inside.....he always used to say I was that special of a human being he didn't want anything to happen to me. I came out of the mental health profession as I burnt out. One of the most rewarding jobs I ever had. This is my point, if a mental health care professional such as yourself can burn out, imagine what it's like for someone who lives it 24/7 I know a few people who have relationships with those with mental health issues most function like normal people, you spoke about personality disorders which is one of the most hardest mental health issue to treat as there is no medication designed to assist. A lot of the time is exstensive CBT and talking therapy with some medication thrown in....."most function like normal people" people with mental health are normal they just have an illness." I understand that, poor choice of words clearly | |||
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"In our lives we encounter various people with different personalities . Some are appealing , others not so much . With family it's a different criteria as to whether you want to spend time with them . Obviously you would put more time into family than you would a random person . So looking at a schizophrenic who isn't a family member , one has a choice to make . Is this person someone I want to spend time with ? Potential problems , how to cope with the disorder , make it a choice hard to make . Why bother when there are plenty of options to share time with people who don't suffer the disorder ? So if we know a casual acquaintance has schizophrenia why would we want to invest time in establishing a relationship with that person ? Upon doing research into the condition , all manner of problems may lie ahead . So personally , I wouldn't want to get involved given the choice . I truly don't think I would be able to offer anything helpful if they had an episode .
Gosh, you are brave to have written that. Politically incorrect but so true
Whilst I will not run for the hills if I meet someone with a mental illness, I would not want to be alone with them either
Why is it brave or politically incorrect?
Has it really come to pass that we can't state a rational, personal statement, without fear of being deemed "brave?""Unfortunately, yes. Even asking someone to explain what their mental illness means is like walking on egg-shells I quite recently had personal experience of just that
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"It amazes me how many people have closed minds about it. "It amazes (well, more saddens, angers and frustrates) me how few people have any kind of understanding of mental health issues in general, and believe they have any kind of authority to speak of and judge those who are unfortunate enough to suffer from them. | |||
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"In our lives we encounter various people with different personalities . Some are appealing , others not so much . With family it's a different criteria as to whether you want to spend time with them . Obviously you would put more time into family than you would a random person . So looking at a schizophrenic who isn't a family member , one has a choice to make . Is this person someone I want to spend time with ? Potential problems , how to cope with the disorder , make it a choice hard to make . Why bother when there are plenty of options to share time with people who don't suffer the disorder ? So if we know a casual acquaintance has schizophrenia why would we want to invest time in establishing a relationship with that person ? Upon doing research into the condition , all manner of problems may lie ahead . So personally , I wouldn't want to get involved given the choice . I truly don't think I would be able to offer anything helpful if they had an episode .
Gosh, you are brave to have written that. Politically incorrect but so true
Whilst I will not run for the hills if I meet someone with a mental illness, I would not want to be alone with them either
Why is it brave or politically incorrect?
Has it really come to pass that we can't state a rational, personal statement, without fear of being deemed "brave?"
Unfortunately, yes. Even asking someone to explain what their mental illness means is like walking on egg-shells
I quite recently had personal experience of just that
Now, I wouldn't even bother asking. For me, its just not worth the hassle of being labelled "insensitive""Iv never experienced that. | |||
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"In our lives we encounter various people with different personalities . Some are appealing , others not so much . With family it's a different criteria as to whether you want to spend time with them . Obviously you would put more time into family than you would a random person . So looking at a schizophrenic who isn't a family member , one has a choice to make . Is this person someone I want to spend time with ? Potential problems , how to cope with the disorder , make it a choice hard to make . Why bother when there are plenty of options to share time with people who don't suffer the disorder ? So if we know a casual acquaintance has schizophrenia why would we want to invest time in establishing a relationship with that person ? Upon doing research into the condition , all manner of problems may lie ahead . So personally , I wouldn't want to get involved given the choice . I truly don't think I would be able to offer anything helpful if they had an episode .
Gosh, you are brave to have written that. Politically incorrect but so true
Whilst I will not run for the hills if I meet someone with a mental illness, I would not want to be alone with them either
"Wouldn't want to be alone with them" why? Because on paper they might kill you? If they are taking their medication anyone would be fine around someone with it. "Excuse me, but I didn't say that you or anyone else shouldn't be. My personal choice is that I wouldn't because I simply would not invest the time in checking about some random stranger's medical history, what that particular mental illness entails and whether they have taken their medication that day Jesus; talk about being jumped upon for stating a personal choice | |||
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"It amazes me how many people have closed minds about it.
It amazes (well, more saddens, angers and frustrates) me how few people have any kind of understanding of mental health issues in general, and believe they have any kind of authority to speak of and judge those who are unfortunate enough to suffer from them."Couple 'o things. I've worked with various shades of MH clients. 1/ I firmly believe that a large part of the problem experienced by those sufferers stems from how their community and wider society views and treats them (usually in a negative fashion). 2/ Schizophrenia is a very old, unwieldy and unhelpful categorisation of mental health that covers a vast range of symptoms. It should be abandoned as a label. imo | |||
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"In our lives we encounter various people with different personalities . Some are appealing , others not so much . With family it's a different criteria as to whether you want to spend time with them . Obviously you would put more time into family than you would a random person . So looking at a schizophrenic who isn't a family member , one has a choice to make . Is this person someone I want to spend time with ? Potential problems , how to cope with the disorder , make it a choice hard to make . Why bother when there are plenty of options to share time with people who don't suffer the disorder ? So if we know a casual acquaintance has schizophrenia why would we want to invest time in establishing a relationship with that person ? Upon doing research into the condition , all manner of problems may lie ahead . So personally , I wouldn't want to get involved given the choice . I truly don't think I would be able to offer anything helpful if they had an episode .
Gosh, you are brave to have written that. Politically incorrect but so true
Whilst I will not run for the hills if I meet someone with a mental illness, I would not want to be alone with them either
Why is it brave or politically incorrect?
Has it really come to pass that we can't state a rational, personal statement, without fear of being deemed "brave?"
Unfortunately, yes. Even asking someone to explain what their mental illness means is like walking on egg-shells
I quite recently had personal experience of just that
Now, I wouldn't even bother asking. For me, its just not worth the hassle of being labelled "insensitive""Me too. And I'll now just avoid putting myself in that situation. If that means I don't pursue something with someone, well that person already has bigger things to worry about than me anyway. | |||
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"In our lives we encounter various people with different personalities . Some are appealing , others not so much . With family it's a different criteria as to whether you want to spend time with them . Obviously you would put more time into family than you would a random person . So looking at a schizophrenic who isn't a family member , one has a choice to make . Is this person someone I want to spend time with ? Potential problems , how to cope with the disorder , make it a choice hard to make . Why bother when there are plenty of options to share time with people who don't suffer the disorder ? So if we know a casual acquaintance has schizophrenia why would we want to invest time in establishing a relationship with that person ? Upon doing research into the condition , all manner of problems may lie ahead . So personally , I wouldn't want to get involved given the choice . I truly don't think I would be able to offer anything helpful if they had an episode .
Gosh, you are brave to have written that. Politically incorrect but so true
Whilst I will not run for the hills if I meet someone with a mental illness, I would not want to be alone with them either"I think a lot of the time you probably wouldn't even be aware that someone has a mental illness. You may have been alone with some on numerous occasions. | |||
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"It amazes me how many people have closed minds about it.
It amazes (well, more saddens, angers and frustrates) me how few people have any kind of understanding of mental health issues in general, and believe they have any kind of authority to speak of and judge those who are unfortunate enough to suffer from them."Why is that ? When choosing friends , acquaintances , people we wish to spend time with , we make choices . Surely it's about preference is it not ? Do those who have closed minds about not wanting to spend time with older people , gregarious people , timid people , etc...... Exercise these preferences ? If I don't want to gain an understanding of those with mental issues , it saddens me that you should feel angry or frustrated at my choice . | |||
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"In our lives we encounter various people with different personalities . Some are appealing , others not so much . With family it's a different criteria as to whether you want to spend time with them . Obviously you would put more time into family than you would a random person . So looking at a schizophrenic who isn't a family member , one has a choice to make . Is this person someone I want to spend time with ? Potential problems , how to cope with the disorder , make it a choice hard to make . Why bother when there are plenty of options to share time with people who don't suffer the disorder ? So if we know a casual acquaintance has schizophrenia why would we want to invest time in establishing a relationship with that person ? Upon doing research into the condition , all manner of problems may lie ahead . So personally , I wouldn't want to get involved given the choice . I truly don't think I would be able to offer anything helpful if they had an episode .
Gosh, you are brave to have written that. Politically incorrect but so true
Whilst I will not run for the hills if I meet someone with a mental illness, I would not want to be alone with them either
Why is it brave or politically incorrect?
Has it really come to pass that we can't state a rational, personal statement, without fear of being deemed "brave?"
Unfortunately, yes. Even asking someone to explain what their mental illness means is like walking on egg-shells
I quite recently had personal experience of just that
Now, I wouldn't even bother asking. For me, its just not worth the hassle of being labelled "insensitive"
Me too. And I'll now just avoid putting myself in that situation. If that means I don't pursue something with someone, well that person already has bigger things to worry about than me anyway. "Without wishing to sound insensitive being more concerned about YOURSELF than the person who's a bit mad is just silly. The vast, vast majority of people with MH condition (and that 1 in 4 of us over a lifetime) could use more in the way of support and understanding than the typical reaction of "Oh this one's mad, what will he/she do to me?!" | |||
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"In our lives we encounter various people with different personalities . Some are appealing , others not so much . With family it's a different criteria as to whether you want to spend time with them . Obviously you would put more time into family than you would a random person . So looking at a schizophrenic who isn't a family member , one has a choice to make . Is this person someone I want to spend time with ? Potential problems , how to cope with the disorder , make it a choice hard to make . Why bother when there are plenty of options to share time with people who don't suffer the disorder ? So if we know a casual acquaintance has schizophrenia why would we want to invest time in establishing a relationship with that person ? Upon doing research into the condition , all manner of problems may lie ahead . So personally , I wouldn't want to get involved given the choice . I truly don't think I would be able to offer anything helpful if they had an episode .
Gosh, you are brave to have written that. Politically incorrect but so true
Whilst I will not run for the hills if I meet someone with a mental illness, I would not want to be alone with them either
Why is it brave or politically incorrect?
Has it really come to pass that we can't state a rational, personal statement, without fear of being deemed "brave?"
Unfortunately, yes. Even asking someone to explain what their mental illness means is like walking on egg-shells
I quite recently had personal experience of just that
Now, I wouldn't even bother asking. For me, its just not worth the hassle of being labelled "insensitive"
Me too. And I'll now just avoid putting myself in that situation. If that means I don't pursue something with someone, well that person already has bigger things to worry about than me anyway.
Without wishing to sound insensitive being more concerned about YOURSELF than the person who's a bit mad is just silly.
The vast, vast majority of people with MH condition (and that 1 in 4 of us over a lifetime) could use more in the way of support and understanding than the typical reaction of
"Oh this one's mad, what will he/she do to me?!" ". I don't really give a fuck. If it's someone I already know and love then of course I care about them. If I don't then why make life difficult for myself, I have enough to deal with supporting those already in my life. It's not that I think they're going to harm me, it's just that I don't have to mental or caring capacity to deal with every person in that way. | |||
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"Without wishing to sound insensitive being more concerned about YOURSELF than the person who's a bit mad is just silly. The vast, vast majority of people with MH condition (and that 1 in 4 of us over a lifetime) could use more in the way of support and understanding than the typical reaction of "Oh this one's mad, what will he/she do to me?!" . I don't really give a fuck. If it's someone I already know and love then of course I care about them. If I don't then why make life difficult for myself, I have enough to deal with supporting those already in my life. It's not that I think they're going to harm me, it's just that I don't have to mental or caring capacity to deal with every person in that way. " Clearly! As I say - 1 in 4 of us over a lifetime could do with a little more compassion and a little less judgement. | |||
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" "Wouldn't want to be alone with them" why? Because on paper they might kill you? If they are taking their medication anyone would be fine around someone with it. " It's tricky... I didn't want to be alone with my best friend. She was vicious towards me verbally and I'm not sure that I trusted her any more. The stuff she was talking about was bonkers and I didn't feel that I was in a position to deal with what *might* happen. I didn't think she'd hurt me but I wasn't 100% sure so I can completely understand the comment made. You don't always know whether the person is taking their medication or what their frame of mind is when you don't actually recognise them any more. I love her. I still do and I miss her every day and I don't know if that will ever stop but I can't help her until she asks for help. She may never do that. She may never recognise that she's unwell. There will always be a hole in my life. Having worked in both mental health and criminal law, I've seen all sorts over the years so minimising the risk for both parties is a sensible thing to do. I didn't want to take my friend out of the hospital as she had requested because I'm not qualified or equipped to deal with things if they go wrong. It may be over cautious but I'd rather we were both safe. You can't judge because you don't know or understand every situation. I never ever thought I would be afraid of the person I love most in the world. | |||
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"In our lives we encounter various people with different personalities . Some are appealing , others not so much . With family it's a different criteria as to whether you want to spend time with them . Obviously you would put more time into family than you would a random person . So looking at a schizophrenic who isn't a family member , one has a choice to make . Is this person someone I want to spend time with ? Potential problems , how to cope with the disorder , make it a choice hard to make . Why bother when there are plenty of options to share time with people who don't suffer the disorder ? So if we know a casual acquaintance has schizophrenia why would we want to invest time in establishing a relationship with that person ? Upon doing research into the condition , all manner of problems may lie ahead . So personally , I wouldn't want to get involved given the choice . I truly don't think I would be able to offer anything helpful if they had an episode .
Gosh, you are brave to have written that. Politically incorrect but so true
Whilst I will not run for the hills if I meet someone with a mental illness, I would not want to be alone with them either
Why is it brave or politically incorrect?
Has it really come to pass that we can't state a rational, personal statement, without fear of being deemed "brave?"
Unfortunately, yes. Even asking someone to explain what their mental illness means is like walking on egg-shells
I quite recently had personal experience of just that
Now, I wouldn't even bother asking. For me, its just not worth the hassle of being labelled "insensitive"
Me too. And I'll now just avoid putting myself in that situation. If that means I don't pursue something with someone, well that person already has bigger things to worry about than me anyway.
Without wishing to sound insensitive being more concerned about YOURSELF than the person who's a bit mad is just silly.
The vast, vast majority of people with MH condition (and that 1 in 4 of us over a lifetime) could use more in the way of support and understanding than the typical reaction of
"Oh this one's mad, what will he/she do to me?!" "For those who have first hand experience of living with people with mental health issues , they would very easily tell you what they can do . The point being that if given a choice , I would choose not to get involved . More because I don't think I would be able to offer them anything . I don't have the empathy , the will or the desire to be of any value . | |||
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"In our lives we encounter various people with different personalities . Some are appealing , others not so much . With family it's a different criteria as to whether you want to spend time with them . Obviously you would put more time into family than you would a random person . So looking at a schizophrenic who isn't a family member , one has a choice to make . Is this person someone I want to spend time with ? Potential problems , how to cope with the disorder , make it a choice hard to make . Why bother when there are plenty of options to share time with people who don't suffer the disorder ? So if we know a casual acquaintance has schizophrenia why would we want to invest time in establishing a relationship with that person ? Upon doing research into the condition , all manner of problems may lie ahead . So personally , I wouldn't want to get involved given the choice . I truly don't think I would be able to offer anything helpful if they had an episode .
Gosh, you are brave to have written that. Politically incorrect but so true
Whilst I will not run for the hills if I meet someone with a mental illness, I would not want to be alone with them either
Why is it brave or politically incorrect?
Has it really come to pass that we can't state a rational, personal statement, without fear of being deemed "brave?"
Unfortunately, yes. Even asking someone to explain what their mental illness means is like walking on egg-shells
I quite recently had personal experience of just that
Now, I wouldn't even bother asking. For me, its just not worth the hassle of being labelled "insensitive"
Me too. And I'll now just avoid putting myself in that situation. If that means I don't pursue something with someone, well that person already has bigger things to worry about than me anyway.
Without wishing to sound insensitive being more concerned about YOURSELF than the person who's a bit mad is just silly.
The vast, vast majority of people with MH condition (and that 1 in 4 of us over a lifetime) could use more in the way of support and understanding than the typical reaction of
"Oh this one's mad, what will he/she do to me?!" "I guess I am also silly when it comes to being more concerned about myself than having protected sex with an HIV carrier. After all, I should understand that a condom will protect me and that by rejecting him I might hurt his feeling Political correctness gone mad (no pun intended) | |||
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"In our lives we encounter various people with different personalities . Some are appealing , others not so much . With family it's a different criteria as to whether you want to spend time with them . Obviously you would put more time into family than you would a random person . So looking at a schizophrenic who isn't a family member , one has a choice to make . Is this person someone I want to spend time with ? Potential problems , how to cope with the disorder , make it a choice hard to make . Why bother when there are plenty of options to share time with people who don't suffer the disorder ? So if we know a casual acquaintance has schizophrenia why would we want to invest time in establishing a relationship with that person ? Upon doing research into the condition , all manner of problems may lie ahead . So personally , I wouldn't want to get involved given the choice . I truly don't think I would be able to offer anything helpful if they had an episode .
Gosh, you are brave to have written that. Politically incorrect but so true
Whilst I will not run for the hills if I meet someone with a mental illness, I would not want to be alone with them either
Why is it brave or politically incorrect?
Has it really come to pass that we can't state a rational, personal statement, without fear of being deemed "brave?"
Unfortunately, yes. Even asking someone to explain what their mental illness means is like walking on egg-shells
I quite recently had personal experience of just that
Now, I wouldn't even bother asking. For me, its just not worth the hassle of being labelled "insensitive"
Me too. And I'll now just avoid putting myself in that situation. If that means I don't pursue something with someone, well that person already has bigger things to worry about than me anyway.
Without wishing to sound insensitive being more concerned about YOURSELF than the person who's a bit mad is just silly.
The vast, vast majority of people with MH condition (and that 1 in 4 of us over a lifetime) could use more in the way of support and understanding than the typical reaction of
"Oh this one's mad, what will he/she do to me?!" .
I don't really give a fuck. If it's someone I already know and love then of course I care about them. If I don't then why make life difficult for myself, I have enough to deal with supporting those already in my life. It's not that I think they're going to harm me, it's just that I don't have to mental or caring capacity to deal with every person in that way. "wow, just wow, other people have said they don't want to be around people with mental health issues on this thread without coming across as so vile and aggressive | |||
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"In our lives we encounter various people with different personalities . Some are appealing , others not so much . With family it's a different criteria as to whether you want to spend time with them . Obviously you would put more time into family than you would a random person . So looking at a schizophrenic who isn't a family member , one has a choice to make . Is this person someone I want to spend time with ? Potential problems , how to cope with the disorder , make it a choice hard to make . Why bother when there are plenty of options to share time with people who don't suffer the disorder ? So if we know a casual acquaintance has schizophrenia why would we want to invest time in establishing a relationship with that person ? Upon doing research into the condition , all manner of problems may lie ahead . So personally , I wouldn't want to get involved given the choice . I truly don't think I would be able to offer anything helpful if they had an episode .
Gosh, you are brave to have written that. Politically incorrect but so true
Whilst I will not run for the hills if I meet someone with a mental illness, I would not want to be alone with them either
Why is it brave or politically incorrect?
Has it really come to pass that we can't state a rational, personal statement, without fear of being deemed "brave?"
Unfortunately, yes. Even asking someone to explain what their mental illness means is like walking on egg-shells
I quite recently had personal experience of just that
Now, I wouldn't even bother asking. For me, its just not worth the hassle of being labelled "insensitive"
Me too. And I'll now just avoid putting myself in that situation. If that means I don't pursue something with someone, well that person already has bigger things to worry about than me anyway.
Without wishing to sound insensitive being more concerned about YOURSELF than the person who's a bit mad is just silly.
The vast, vast majority of people with MH condition (and that 1 in 4 of us over a lifetime) could use more in the way of support and understanding than the typical reaction of
"Oh this one's mad, what will he/she do to me?!"
For those who have first hand experience of living with people with mental health issues , they would very easily tell you what they can do .
The point being that if given a choice , I would choose not to get involved . More because I don't think I would be able to offer them anything . I don't have the empathy , the will or the desire to be of any value ."and you've managed to put your point across well | |||
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"I am a mental health support worker who works with those who have, ocd, challenging behaviour, schizophrenia, varying levels of autism, depression and vulnerable adults as a whole. They are some of the lovliest most caring people i have ever come across in my life, i've witnessed such disgusting behaviour from the general public towards those i support in the community. It really is shocking how "victorian age" some peoples attitudes really are." | |||
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"Sometimes it can be really hard to be around people with serious mental health issues, different conditions have different symptoms, and those symptoms can be very challenging to say the least. It's easy to judge someone for distancing themselves from someone with a personality disorder, and no, you wouldn't leave someone with say cancer to fight alone, but mental health issues are very different to physical health issues. There are certain aspects of personality disorders that make living with the sufferer nigh on impossible, violent mood swings, lies, cheating, stealing, controlling behaviour and so on and so forth. Some people genuinely do love that person enough to stay through the worst of times, some people just love to be the matr, but for some people, it comes down to a choice, between someone who can't help hurting you, and could possibly one day do some damage that you won't walk away from, and leaving and saving children and so on from becoming damaged by the inevitable tensions, that come from not knowing what mood they are going to be in from one moment to the next. I feel for people who have personality disorders, but some times you just have to give up and say "enough" enough stress, enough pain, and enough scars" My boyfriend took his life because he couldn't cope anymore with his mental health illness.. Is it selfish yes it is, but I also understand that he's now at peace and is no longer battling demons that ruled his life for the 10years he was diagnosed... | |||
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"I am a mental health support worker who works with those who have, ocd, challenging behaviour, schizophrenia, varying levels of autism, depression and vulnerable adults as a whole. They are some of the lovliest most caring people i have ever come across in my life, i've witnessed such disgusting behaviour from the general public towards those i support in the community. It really is shocking how "victorian age" some peoples attitudes really are." I've also seen them treated like shit by people who are paid to support those with mental health issues. Trouble is in the support side the funding and pay is shocking if you pay peanuts you will get monkeys....There are some brilliant support agencies out there and not so brilliant ones... | |||
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"I am a mental health support worker who works with those who have, ocd, challenging behaviour, schizophrenia, varying levels of autism, depression and vulnerable adults as a whole. They are some of the lovliest most caring people i have ever come across in my life, i've witnessed such disgusting behaviour from the general public towards those i support in the community. It really is shocking how "victorian age" some peoples attitudes really are." I can totally understand that too. It is utterly hideous to witness people who have little or no understanding of mental health issues. I've spent a whole lot of time thinking that I'm a terrible friend and to walk away from a situation that was unhealthy for me is one of the toughest things I've ever done. This is the first time I've talked about it and I would hate to be that person who doesn't understand or make the effort to support my friend. I did and I have and I can't beat myself up over it any more than I have already. A better understanding in general society would benefit everyone. I've had to listen to other friends speak badly of my best friend because of her behaviour towards me. It's a hard thing to deal with for everyone involved and I'd like to see a whole different attitude towards the stigma attached to mental health issues. | |||
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"I am a mental health support worker who works with those who have, ocd, challenging behaviour, schizophrenia, varying levels of autism, depression and vulnerable adults as a whole. They are some of the lovliest most caring people i have ever come across in my life, i've witnessed such disgusting behaviour from the general public towards those i support in the community. It really is shocking how "victorian age" some peoples attitudes really are. I've also seen them treated like shit by people who are paid to support those with mental health issues. Trouble is in the support side the funding and pay is shocking if you pay peanuts you will get monkeys....There are some brilliant support agencies out there and not so brilliant ones..." Yup. I also firmly believe that a large part of the difficulties experienced by sufferers stems from how their community and wider society views and treats them (typically in a negative fashion, marglinalising them further). | |||
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"It amazes me how many people have closed minds about it.
It amazes (well, more saddens, angers and frustrates) me how few people have any kind of understanding of mental health issues in general, and believe they have any kind of authority to speak of and judge those who are unfortunate enough to suffer from them.
Why is that ?
When choosing friends , acquaintances , people we wish to spend time with , we make choices .
Surely it's about preference is it not ?
Do those who have closed minds about not wanting to spend time with older people , gregarious people , timid people , etc...... Exercise these preferences ?
If I don't want to gain an understanding of those with mental issues , it saddens me that you should feel angry or frustrated at my choice ."You're entitled to your preferences, but if you read my post again, you'll see my problem isn't with people who are wary of Mental Health issues, but rather those who feel they can judge people who suffer from them, despite having no knowledge of the issues themselves, or how deeply they affect the sufferer, like loud mouthed twats (and I've met plenty of them) who say we just need to 'pull ourselves together/man up/smile mate, you'll live longer (delivered in superior rather than friendly fashion)', they make my fucking blood boil. | |||
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"I am a mental health support worker who works with those who have, ocd, challenging behaviour, schizophrenia, varying levels of autism, depression and vulnerable adults as a whole. They are some of the lovliest most caring people i have ever come across in my life, i've witnessed such disgusting behaviour from the general public towards those i support in the community. It really is shocking how "victorian age" some peoples attitudes really are." this is my area of work - spent a few years in community care - took one woman out that repeated stuff fairly loudly at times - the looks people gave us made my blood boil - some eeven commented but i bet these would be the first people to moan if any of their family members suffered - yes the pay is crap but for a nurturing caring person its career of huge job satisfaction - ive now upped a couple of degrees and work in a specialist home where the severe and often sectionable residents live - | |||
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"I am a mental health support worker who works with those who have, ocd, challenging behaviour, schizophrenia, varying levels of autism, depression and vulnerable adults as a whole. They are some of the lovliest most caring people i have ever come across in my life, i've witnessed such disgusting behaviour from the general public towards those i support in the community. It really is shocking how "victorian age" some peoples attitudes really are. I can totally understand that too. It is utterly hideous to witness people who have little or no understanding of mental health issues. I've spent a whole lot of time thinking that I'm a terrible friend and to walk away from a situation that was unhealthy for me is one of the toughest things I've ever done. This is the first time I've talked about it and I would hate to be that person who doesn't understand or make the effort to support my friend. I did and I have and I can't beat myself up over it any more than I have already. A better understanding in general society would benefit everyone. I've had to listen to other friends speak badly of my best friend because of her behaviour towards me. It's a hard thing to deal with for everyone involved and I'd like to see a whole different attitude towards the stigma attached to mental health issues. " Sometimes when we are trying to support someone we forget ourselves and our own mental wellbeing you didn't do anything wrong in your decision. | |||
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"Yes, i have been witness to such barbaric acts by someone in the profession, i reported and testified against the person, they were kicked out the company and put on the register so they cannot practice anymore. What i saw disturbed me for a very long time and i questioned if i really wanted to do this work anymore, but 3 yrs on and i'm still helping those who need me." Yes - workers in the 'caring professions' who are working out their shit on their clients is another odd one. | |||
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"In our lives we encounter various people with different personalities . Some are appealing , others not so much . With family it's a different criteria as to whether you want to spend time with them . Obviously you would put more time into family than you would a random person . So looking at a schizophrenic who isn't a family member , one has a choice to make . Is this person someone I want to spend time with ? Potential problems , how to cope with the disorder , make it a choice hard to make . Why bother when there are plenty of options to share time with people who don't suffer the disorder ? So if we know a casual acquaintance has schizophrenia why would we want to invest time in establishing a relationship with that person ? Upon doing research into the condition , all manner of problems may lie ahead . So personally , I wouldn't want to get involved given the choice . I truly don't think I would be able to offer anything helpful if they had an episode .
Gosh, you are brave to have written that. Politically incorrect but so true
Whilst I will not run for the hills if I meet someone with a mental illness, I would not want to be alone with them either
"Wouldn't want to be alone with them" why? Because on paper they might kill you? If they are taking their medication anyone would be fine around someone with it.
Excuse me, but I didn't say that you or anyone else shouldn't be. My personal choice is that I wouldn't because I simply would not invest the time in checking about some random stranger's medical history, what that particular mental illness entails and whether they have taken their medication that day
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"Yes, i have been witness to such barbaric acts by someone in the profession, i reported and testified against the person, they were kicked out the company and put on the register so they cannot practice anymore. What i saw disturbed me for a very long time and i questioned if i really wanted to do this work anymore, but 3 yrs on and i'm still helping those who need me. Yes - workers in the 'caring professions' who are working out their shit on their clients is another odd one. " Breaks my heart how they can do that to someone | |||
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"In our lives we encounter various people with different personalities . Some are appealing , others not so much . With family it's a different criteria as to whether you want to spend time with them . Obviously you would put more time into family than you would a random person . So looking at a schizophrenic who isn't a family member , one has a choice to make . Is this person someone I want to spend time with ? Potential problems , how to cope with the disorder , make it a choice hard to make . Why bother when there are plenty of options to share time with people who don't suffer the disorder ? So if we know a casual acquaintance has schizophrenia why would we want to invest time in establishing a relationship with that person ? Upon doing research into the condition , all manner of problems may lie ahead . So personally , I wouldn't want to get involved given the choice . I truly don't think I would be able to offer anything helpful if they had an episode .
Gosh, you are brave to have written that. Politically incorrect but so true
Whilst I will not run for the hills if I meet someone with a mental illness, I would not want to be alone with them either
I think a lot of the time you probably wouldn't even be aware that someone has a mental illness. You may have been alone with some on numerous occasions." | |||
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"I am a mental health support worker who works with those who have, ocd, challenging behaviour, schizophrenia, varying levels of autism, depression and vulnerable adults as a whole. They are some of the lovliest most caring people i have ever come across in my life, i've witnessed such disgusting behaviour from the general public towards those i support in the community. It really is shocking how "victorian age" some peoples attitudes really are. I can totally understand that too. It is utterly hideous to witness people who have little or no understanding of mental health issues. I've spent a whole lot of time thinking that I'm a terrible friend and to walk away from a situation that was unhealthy for me is one of the toughest things I've ever done. This is the first time I've talked about it and I would hate to be that person who doesn't understand or make the effort to support my friend. I did and I have and I can't beat myself up over it any more than I have already. A better understanding in general society would benefit everyone. I've had to listen to other friends speak badly of my best friend because of her behaviour towards me. It's a hard thing to deal with for everyone involved and I'd like to see a whole different attitude towards the stigma attached to mental health issues. " It is different when it is a family member or a close friend One of my friends has tried to take his own life on three occasions over a 5 year period. He was sectioned and I used to drive all the f**king way, a long way away, to visit him in hospital. His girlfriend dumped him after the second time He was on medication for a number of years which gave him the zombie look The medical staff would not tell me what was wrong with him; for all I knew he could have been a threat to me but I did not abandon him because he was my friend. He is pretty much OK now; has a new girlfriend and gets about life pretty much normally But I wouldn't do that for some random stranger. I don't give two hoots what anyone thinks about me | |||
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"In our lives we encounter various people with different personalities . Some are appealing , others not so much . With family it's a different criteria as to whether you want to spend time with them . Obviously you would put more time into family than you would a random person . So looking at a schizophrenic who isn't a family member , one has a choice to make . Is this person someone I want to spend time with ? Potential problems , how to cope with the disorder , make it a choice hard to make . Why bother when there are plenty of options to share time with people who don't suffer the disorder ? So if we know a casual acquaintance has schizophrenia why would we want to invest time in establishing a relationship with that person ? Upon doing research into the condition , all manner of problems may lie ahead . So personally , I wouldn't want to get involved given the choice . I truly don't think I would be able to offer anything helpful if they had an episode .
Gosh, you are brave to have written that. Politically incorrect but so true
Whilst I will not run for the hills if I meet someone with a mental illness, I would not want to be alone with them either
I think a lot of the time you probably wouldn't even be aware that someone has a mental illness. You may have been alone with some on numerous occasions."That is quite possible; just as it is possible as I might have already had sex with some HIV carriers But once I know, I would minimise the risk to myself And whilst I am aware of what HIV is, I don't know what the various mental illnesses are or how that changes a person's behaviour If there was a awareness drive, just as there was about HIV, then perhaps, I would take a more balanced view. As it is, I don't want to take the risk with some random stranger | |||
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"But I wouldn't do that for some random stranger. I don't give two hoots what anyone thinks about me" If someone was knocked down by a car in the street, would you do nothing? | |||
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"I am a mental health support worker who works with those who have, ocd, challenging behaviour, schizophrenia, varying levels of autism, depression and vulnerable adults as a whole. They are some of the lovliest most caring people i have ever come across in my life, i've witnessed such disgusting behaviour from the general public towards those i support in the community. It really is shocking how "victorian age" some peoples attitudes really are. I can totally understand that too. It is utterly hideous to witness people who have little or no understanding of mental health issues. I've spent a whole lot of time thinking that I'm a terrible friend and to walk away from a situation that was unhealthy for me is one of the toughest things I've ever done. This is the first time I've talked about it and I would hate to be that person who doesn't understand or make the effort to support my friend. I did and I have and I can't beat myself up over it any more than I have already. A better understanding in general society would benefit everyone. I've had to listen to other friends speak badly of my best friend because of her behaviour towards me. It's a hard thing to deal with for everyone involved and I'd like to see a whole different attitude towards the stigma attached to mental health issues. It is different when it is a family member or a close friend One of my friends has tried to take his own life on three occasions over a 5 year period. He was sectioned and I used to drive all the f**king way, a long way away, to visit him in hospital. His girlfriend dumped him after the second time He was on medication for a number of years which gave him the zombie look The medical staff would not tell me what was wrong with him; for all I knew he could have been a threat to me but I did not abandon him because he was my friend. He is pretty much OK now; has a new girlfriend and gets about life pretty much normally But I wouldn't do that for some random stranger. I don't give two hoots what anyone thinks about me" but I don't think anyone would do it for a random stranger, firstly how would you know they had a mental illness and do people invest time in random strangers with or without mental illness? | |||
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"In our lives we encounter various people with different personalities . Some are appealing , others not so much . With family it's a different criteria as to whether you want to spend time with them . Obviously you would put more time into family than you would a random person . So looking at a schizophrenic who isn't a family member , one has a choice to make . Is this person someone I want to spend time with ? Potential problems , how to cope with the disorder , make it a choice hard to make . Why bother when there are plenty of options to share time with people who don't suffer the disorder ? So if we know a casual acquaintance has schizophrenia why would we want to invest time in establishing a relationship with that person ? Upon doing research into the condition , all manner of problems may lie ahead . So personally , I wouldn't want to get involved given the choice . I truly don't think I would be able to offer anything helpful if they had an episode .
Gosh, you are brave to have written that. Politically incorrect but so true
Whilst I will not run for the hills if I meet someone with a mental illness, I would not want to be alone with them either
"Wouldn't want to be alone with them" why? Because on paper they might kill you? If they are taking their medication anyone would be fine around someone with it.
Excuse me, but I didn't say that you or anyone else shouldn't be. My personal choice is that I wouldn't because I simply would not invest the time in checking about some random stranger's medical history, what that particular mental illness entails and whether they have taken their medication that day
Jesus; talk about being jumped upon for stating a personal choice
Why would you even consider asking a random stranger that? "I wouldn't ask; but if their behaviour is very odd, or if they told me that they have a mental illness, then I would make certain that I would only be with them in a public space | |||
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" "Wouldn't want to be alone with them" why? Because on paper they might kill you? If they are taking their medication anyone would be fine around someone with it. It's tricky... I didn't want to be alone with my best friend. She was vicious towards me verbally and I'm not sure that I trusted her any more. The stuff she was talking about was bonkers and I didn't feel that I was in a position to deal with what *might* happen. I didn't think she'd hurt me but I wasn't 100% sure so I can completely understand the comment made. You don't always know whether the person is taking their medication or what their frame of mind is when you don't actually recognise them any more. I love her. I still do and I miss her every day and I don't know if that will ever stop but I can't help her until she asks for help. She may never do that. She may never recognise that she's unwell. There will always be a hole in my life. Having worked in both mental health and criminal law, I've seen all sorts over the years so minimising the risk for both parties is a sensible thing to do. I didn't want to take my friend out of the hospital as she had requested because I'm not qualified or equipped to deal with things if they go wrong. It may be over cautious but I'd rather we were both safe. You can't judge because you don't know or understand every situation. I never ever thought I would be afraid of the person I love most in the world. " I don't mean to come across as judging. Buts its comments like that that they have to deal with everyday. I'm only going by what I know and see from someone I care about who has it. | |||
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"I am a mental health support worker who works with those who have, ocd, challenging behaviour, schizophrenia, varying levels of autism, depression and vulnerable adults as a whole. They are some of the lovliest most caring people i have ever come across in my life, i've witnessed such disgusting behaviour from the general public towards those i support in the community. It really is shocking how "victorian age" some peoples attitudes really are. I can totally understand that too. It is utterly hideous to witness people who have little or no understanding of mental health issues. I've spent a whole lot of time thinking that I'm a terrible friend and to walk away from a situation that was unhealthy for me is one of the toughest things I've ever done. This is the first time I've talked about it and I would hate to be that person who doesn't understand or make the effort to support my friend. I did and I have and I can't beat myself up over it any more than I have already. A better understanding in general society would benefit everyone. I've had to listen to other friends speak badly of my best friend because of her behaviour towards me. It's a hard thing to deal with for everyone involved and I'd like to see a whole different attitude towards the stigma attached to mental health issues. It is different when it is a family member or a close friend One of my friends has tried to take his own life on three occasions over a 5 year period. He was sectioned and I used to drive all the f**king way, a long way away, to visit him in hospital. His girlfriend dumped him after the second time He was on medication for a number of years which gave him the zombie look The medical staff would not tell me what was wrong with him; for all I knew he could have been a threat to me but I did not abandon him because he was my friend. He is pretty much OK now; has a new girlfriend and gets about life pretty much normally But I wouldn't do that for some random stranger. I don't give two hoots what anyone thinks about mebut I don't think anyone would do it for a random stranger, firstly how would you know they had a mental illness and do people invest time in random strangers with or without mental illness?" Yes, I invest time in random strangers some of whom then become friends. How else does one make friends? | |||
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"But I wouldn't do that for some random stranger. I don't give two hoots what anyone thinks about me If someone was knocked down by a car in the street, would you do nothing?" Yes, I'd call the ambulance; I wouldn't go and befriend them | |||
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"In our lives we encounter various people with different personalities . Some are appealing , others not so much . With family it's a different criteria as to whether you want to spend time with them . Obviously you would put more time into family than you would a random person . So looking at a schizophrenic who isn't a family member , one has a choice to make . Is this person someone I want to spend time with ? Potential problems , how to cope with the disorder , make it a choice hard to make . Why bother when there are plenty of options to share time with people who don't suffer the disorder ? So if we know a casual acquaintance has schizophrenia why would we want to invest time in establishing a relationship with that person ? Upon doing research into the condition , all manner of problems may lie ahead . So personally , I wouldn't want to get involved given the choice . I truly don't think I would be able to offer anything helpful if they had an episode .
Gosh, you are brave to have written that. Politically incorrect but so true
Whilst I will not run for the hills if I meet someone with a mental illness, I would not want to be alone with them either
Why is it brave or politically incorrect?
Has it really come to pass that we can't state a rational, personal statement, without fear of being deemed "brave?"
Unfortunately, yes. Even asking someone to explain what their mental illness means is like walking on egg-shells
I quite recently had personal experience of just that
Now, I wouldn't even bother asking. For me, its just not worth the hassle of being labelled "insensitive"
Me too. And I'll now just avoid putting myself in that situation. If that means I don't pursue something with someone, well that person already has bigger things to worry about than me anyway.
Without wishing to sound insensitive being more concerned about YOURSELF than the person who's a bit mad is just silly.
The vast, vast majority of people with MH condition (and that 1 in 4 of us over a lifetime) could use more in the way of support and understanding than the typical reaction of
"Oh this one's mad, what will he/she do to me?!"
For those who have first hand experience of living with people with mental health issues , they would very easily tell you what they can do .
The point being that if given a choice , I would choose not to get involved . More because I don't think I would be able to offer them anything . I don't have the empathy , the will or the desire to be of any value ."How would you feel is your partner got it one day? | |||
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"I am a mental health support worker who works with those who have, ocd, challenging behaviour, schizophrenia, varying levels of autism, depression and vulnerable adults as a whole. They are some of the lovliest most caring people i have ever come across in my life, i've witnessed such disgusting behaviour from the general public towards those i support in the community. It really is shocking how "victorian age" some peoples attitudes really are. I can totally understand that too. It is utterly hideous to witness people who have little or no understanding of mental health issues. I've spent a whole lot of time thinking that I'm a terrible friend and to walk away from a situation that was unhealthy for me is one of the toughest things I've ever done. This is the first time I've talked about it and I would hate to be that person who doesn't understand or make the effort to support my friend. I did and I have and I can't beat myself up over it any more than I have already. A better understanding in general society would benefit everyone. I've had to listen to other friends speak badly of my best friend because of her behaviour towards me. It's a hard thing to deal with for everyone involved and I'd like to see a whole different attitude towards the stigma attached to mental health issues. It is different when it is a family member or a close friend One of my friends has tried to take his own life on three occasions over a 5 year period. He was sectioned and I used to drive all the f**king way, a long way away, to visit him in hospital. His girlfriend dumped him after the second time He was on medication for a number of years which gave him the zombie look The medical staff would not tell me what was wrong with him; for all I knew he could have been a threat to me but I did not abandon him because he was my friend. He is pretty much OK now; has a new girlfriend and gets about life pretty much normally But I wouldn't do that for some random stranger. I don't give two hoots what anyone thinks about mebut I don't think anyone would do it for a random stranger, firstly how would you know they had a mental illness and do people invest time in random strangers with or without mental illness? Yes, I invest time in random strangers some of whom then become friends. How else does one make friends?" but unless as you said they where acting "odd" how would you know they had a mental illness | |||
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"I am a mental health support worker who works with those who have, ocd, challenging behaviour, schizophrenia, varying levels of autism, depression and vulnerable adults as a whole. They are some of the lovliest most caring people i have ever come across in my life, i've witnessed such disgusting behaviour from the general public towards those i support in the community. It really is shocking how "victorian age" some peoples attitudes really are." Agreed! Lovely people | |||
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" "Wouldn't want to be alone with them" why? Because on paper they might kill you? If they are taking their medication anyone would be fine around someone with it. It's tricky... I didn't want to be alone with my best friend. She was vicious towards me verbally and I'm not sure that I trusted her any more. The stuff she was talking about was bonkers and I didn't feel that I was in a position to deal with what *might* happen. I didn't think she'd hurt me but I wasn't 100% sure so I can completely understand the comment made. You don't always know whether the person is taking their medication or what their frame of mind is when you don't actually recognise them any more. I love her. I still do and I miss her every day and I don't know if that will ever stop but I can't help her until she asks for help. She may never do that. She may never recognise that she's unwell. There will always be a hole in my life. Having worked in both mental health and criminal law, I've seen all sorts over the years so minimising the risk for both parties is a sensible thing to do. I didn't want to take my friend out of the hospital as she had requested because I'm not qualified or equipped to deal with things if they go wrong. It may be over cautious but I'd rather we were both safe. You can't judge because you don't know or understand every situation. I never ever thought I would be afraid of the person I love most in the world. I don't mean to come across as judging. Buts its comments like that that they have to deal with everyday. I'm only going by what I know and see from someone I care about who has it. " what's wrong with those comments, all I see is someone being completly honest, talking about their situation | |||
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"I am a mental health support worker who works with those who have, ocd, challenging behaviour, schizophrenia, varying levels of autism, depression and vulnerable adults as a whole. They are some of the lovliest most caring people i have ever come across in my life, i've witnessed such disgusting behaviour from the general public towards those i support in the community. It really is shocking how "victorian age" some peoples attitudes really are. I've also seen them treated like shit by people who are paid to support those with mental health issues. Trouble is in the support side the funding and pay is shocking if you pay peanuts you will get monkeys....There are some brilliant support agencies out there and not so brilliant ones..." Can you reccommend any good ones cheeky? | |||
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"I am a mental health support worker who works with those who have, ocd, challenging behaviour, schizophrenia, varying levels of autism, depression and vulnerable adults as a whole. They are some of the lovliest most caring people i have ever come across in my life, i've witnessed such disgusting behaviour from the general public towards those i support in the community. It really is shocking how "victorian age" some peoples attitudes really are. I've also seen them treated like shit by people who are paid to support those with mental health issues. Trouble is in the support side the funding and pay is shocking if you pay peanuts you will get monkeys....There are some brilliant support agencies out there and not so brilliant ones... Can you reccommend any good ones cheeky? " just a question, how long have you known your friend? How often do you see them? | |||
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" "Wouldn't want to be alone with them" why? Because on paper they might kill you? If they are taking their medication anyone would be fine around someone with it. It's tricky... I didn't want to be alone with my best friend. She was vicious towards me verbally and I'm not sure that I trusted her any more. The stuff she was talking about was bonkers and I didn't feel that I was in a position to deal with what *might* happen. I didn't think she'd hurt me but I wasn't 100% sure so I can completely understand the comment made. You don't always know whether the person is taking their medication or what their frame of mind is when you don't actually recognise them any more. I love her. I still do and I miss her every day and I don't know if that will ever stop but I can't help her until she asks for help. She may never do that. She may never recognise that she's unwell. There will always be a hole in my life. Having worked in both mental health and criminal law, I've seen all sorts over the years so minimising the risk for both parties is a sensible thing to do. I didn't want to take my friend out of the hospital as she had requested because I'm not qualified or equipped to deal with things if they go wrong. It may be over cautious but I'd rather we were both safe. You can't judge because you don't know or understand every situation. I never ever thought I would be afraid of the person I love most in the world. I don't mean to come across as judging. Buts its comments like that that they have to deal with everyday. I'm only going by what I know and see from someone I care about who has it. what's wrong with those comments, all I see is someone being completly honest, talking about their situation " I wasn't revering to DG comment | |||
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"I am a mental health support worker who works with those who have, ocd, challenging behaviour, schizophrenia, varying levels of autism, depression and vulnerable adults as a whole. They are some of the lovliest most caring people i have ever come across in my life, i've witnessed such disgusting behaviour from the general public towards those i support in the community. It really is shocking how "victorian age" some peoples attitudes really are. I can totally understand that too. It is utterly hideous to witness people who have little or no understanding of mental health issues. I've spent a whole lot of time thinking that I'm a terrible friend and to walk away from a situation that was unhealthy for me is one of the toughest things I've ever done. This is the first time I've talked about it and I would hate to be that person who doesn't understand or make the effort to support my friend. I did and I have and I can't beat myself up over it any more than I have already. A better understanding in general society would benefit everyone. I've had to listen to other friends speak badly of my best friend because of her behaviour towards me. It's a hard thing to deal with for everyone involved and I'd like to see a whole different attitude towards the stigma attached to mental health issues. It is different when it is a family member or a close friend One of my friends has tried to take his own life on three occasions over a 5 year period. He was sectioned and I used to drive all the f**king way, a long way away, to visit him in hospital. His girlfriend dumped him after the second time He was on medication for a number of years which gave him the zombie look The medical staff would not tell me what was wrong with him; for all I knew he could have been a threat to me but I did not abandon him because he was my friend. He is pretty much OK now; has a new girlfriend and gets about life pretty much normally But I wouldn't do that for some random stranger. I don't give two hoots what anyone thinks about mebut I don't think anyone would do it for a random stranger, firstly how would you know they had a mental illness and do people invest time in random strangers with or without mental illness? Yes, I invest time in random strangers some of whom then become friends. How else does one make friends? but unless as you said they where acting "odd" how would you know they had a mental illness" Unless someone told me that they were HIV carriers, I guess I wouldn't know that either. But once they do, then I am outta there Same with someone behaving very oddly or if they tell me that they have a mental illness In both those circumstances, I would whatever to eliminate any the risk to myself | |||
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"I am a mental health support worker who works with those who have, ocd, challenging behaviour, schizophrenia, varying levels of autism, depression and vulnerable adults as a whole. They are some of the lovliest most caring people i have ever come across in my life, i've witnessed such disgusting behaviour from the general public towards those i support in the community. It really is shocking how "victorian age" some peoples attitudes really are. I can totally understand that too. It is utterly hideous to witness people who have little or no understanding of mental health issues. I've spent a whole lot of time thinking that I'm a terrible friend and to walk away from a situation that was unhealthy for me is one of the toughest things I've ever done. This is the first time I've talked about it and I would hate to be that person who doesn't understand or make the effort to support my friend. I did and I have and I can't beat myself up over it any more than I have already. A better understanding in general society would benefit everyone. I've had to listen to other friends speak badly of my best friend because of her behaviour towards me. It's a hard thing to deal with for everyone involved and I'd like to see a whole different attitude towards the stigma attached to mental health issues. It is different when it is a family member or a close friend One of my friends has tried to take his own life on three occasions over a 5 year period. He was sectioned and I used to drive all the f**king way, a long way away, to visit him in hospital. His girlfriend dumped him after the second time He was on medication for a number of years which gave him the zombie look The medical staff would not tell me what was wrong with him; for all I knew he could have been a threat to me but I did not abandon him because he was my friend. He is pretty much OK now; has a new girlfriend and gets about life pretty much normally But I wouldn't do that for some random stranger. I don't give two hoots what anyone thinks about mebut I don't think anyone would do it for a random stranger, firstly how would you know they had a mental illness and do people invest time in random strangers with or without mental illness? Yes, I invest time in random strangers some of whom then become friends. How else does one make friends? but unless as you said they where acting "odd" how would you know they had a mental illness Unless someone told me that they were HIV carriers, I guess I wouldn't know that either. But once they do, then I am outta there Same with someone behaving very oddly or if they tell me that they have a mental illness In both those circumstances, I would whatever to eliminate any the risk to myself" I understand the behaving oddly, its your constant referal to random strangers. You say once they tell you but in which case they wouldn't be random strangers. I would hazard a guess you are around people with mental illness every day. Also people may have hiv | |||
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" "Wouldn't want to be alone with them" why? Because on paper they might kill you? If they are taking their medication anyone would be fine around someone with it. It's tricky... I didn't want to be alone with my best friend. She was vicious towards me verbally and I'm not sure that I trusted her any more. The stuff she was talking about was bonkers and I didn't feel that I was in a position to deal with what *might* happen. I didn't think she'd hurt me but I wasn't 100% sure so I can completely understand the comment made. You don't always know whether the person is taking their medication or what their frame of mind is when you don't actually recognise them any more. I love her. I still do and I miss her every day and I don't know if that will ever stop but I can't help her until she asks for help. She may never do that. She may never recognise that she's unwell. There will always be a hole in my life. Having worked in both mental health and criminal law, I've seen all sorts over the years so minimising the risk for both parties is a sensible thing to do. I didn't want to take my friend out of the hospital as she had requested because I'm not qualified or equipped to deal with things if they go wrong. It may be over cautious but I'd rather we were both safe. You can't judge because you don't know or understand every situation. I never ever thought I would be afraid of the person I love most in the world. I don't mean to come across as judging. Buts its comments like that that they have to deal with everyday. I'm only going by what I know and see from someone I care about who has it. what's wrong with those comments, all I see is someone being completly honest, talking about their situation I wasn't revering to DG comment" I didn't mean 'you' specifically... I just mean we as a society can't judge when we're unaware of all the circumstances. It's a difficult topic all round and I question myself often. I want to pick up the phone or drive down and see her but I know that I can't cope with opening that wound until such times as she stops the behaviour she continues with. I keep in touch with her kids, I miss them too. Effectively I was part of their family and we've all suffered as a result. It's tough for all of us but mostly for her. Her life has changed beyond recognition and that's hard to watch, even from a distance. | |||
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"I am a mental health support worker who works with those who have, ocd, challenging behaviour, schizophrenia, varying levels of autism, depression and vulnerable adults as a whole. They are some of the lovliest most caring people i have ever come across in my life, i've witnessed such disgusting behaviour from the general public towards those i support in the community. It really is shocking how "victorian age" some peoples attitudes really are. I've also seen them treated like shit by people who are paid to support those with mental health issues. Trouble is in the support side the funding and pay is shocking if you pay peanuts you will get monkeys....There are some brilliant support agencies out there and not so brilliant ones... Can you reccommend any good ones cheeky? " MIND are good but there are different support services in different areas, you can contact your local supporting people department usually attached to a local authority who will give you details of agencies who are currently funded via SP. | |||
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"I am a mental health support worker who works with those who have, ocd, challenging behaviour, schizophrenia, varying levels of autism, depression and vulnerable adults as a whole. They are some of the lovliest most caring people i have ever come across in my life, i've witnessed such disgusting behaviour from the general public towards those i support in the community. It really is shocking how "victorian age" some peoples attitudes really are. I've also seen them treated like shit by people who are paid to support those with mental health issues. Trouble is in the support side the funding and pay is shocking if you pay peanuts you will get monkeys....There are some brilliant support agencies out there and not so brilliant ones... Can you reccommend any good ones cheeky? MIND are good but there are different support services in different areas, you can contact your local supporting people department usually attached to a local authority who will give you details of agencies who are currently funded via SP. " Iv heard of MIND. Thank you | |||
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"I am a mental health support worker who works with those who have, ocd, challenging behaviour, schizophrenia, varying levels of autism, depression and vulnerable adults as a whole. They are some of the lovliest most caring people i have ever come across in my life, i've witnessed such disgusting behaviour from the general public towards those i support in the community. It really is shocking how "victorian age" some peoples attitudes really are. I can totally understand that too. It is utterly hideous to witness people who have little or no understanding of mental health issues. I've spent a whole lot of time thinking that I'm a terrible friend and to walk away from a situation that was unhealthy for me is one of the toughest things I've ever done. This is the first time I've talked about it and I would hate to be that person who doesn't understand or make the effort to support my friend. I did and I have and I can't beat myself up over it any more than I have already. A better understanding in general society would benefit everyone. I've had to listen to other friends speak badly of my best friend because of her behaviour towards me. It's a hard thing to deal with for everyone involved and I'd like to see a whole different attitude towards the stigma attached to mental health issues. It is different when it is a family member or a close friend One of my friends has tried to take his own life on three occasions over a 5 year period. He was sectioned and I used to drive all the f**king way, a long way away, to visit him in hospital. His girlfriend dumped him after the second time He was on medication for a number of years which gave him the zombie look The medical staff would not tell me what was wrong with him; for all I knew he could have been a threat to me but I did not abandon him because he was my friend. He is pretty much OK now; has a new girlfriend and gets about life pretty much normally But I wouldn't do that for some random stranger. I don't give two hoots what anyone thinks about mebut I don't think anyone would do it for a random stranger, firstly how would you know they had a mental illness and do people invest time in random strangers with or without mental illness? Yes, I invest time in random strangers some of whom then become friends. How else does one make friends? but unless as you said they where acting "odd" how would you know they had a mental illness Unless someone told me that they were HIV carriers, I guess I wouldn't know that either. But once they do, then I am outta there Same with someone behaving very oddly or if they tell me that they have a mental illness In both those circumstances, I would whatever to eliminate any the risk to myselfI understand the behaving oddly, its your constant referal to random strangers. You say once they tell you but in which case they wouldn't be random strangers. I would hazard a guess you are around people with mental illness every day. Also people may have hiv " Random strangers as in people I would meet in a swingers club or from this website; those are the only strangers I am likely to be in a private space with There are one or two people at work who have mental illnesses. They are relative strangers too but I am unlikely to be in a closed private space with them Feel very sorry for people with mental illnesses, behaviour disorders, etc. And where a family member or close friend is concerned, then I, like many others, would make very effort to learn about how to manage the condition. But not for strangers; not me; soooo politically incorrect but soooo true | |||
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"I am a mental health support worker who works with those who have, ocd, challenging behaviour, schizophrenia, varying levels of autism, depression and vulnerable adults as a whole. They are some of the lovliest most caring people i have ever come across in my life, i've witnessed such disgusting behaviour from the general public towards those i support in the community. It really is shocking how "victorian age" some peoples attitudes really are. I can totally understand that too. It is utterly hideous to witness people who have little or no understanding of mental health issues. I've spent a whole lot of time thinking that I'm a terrible friend and to walk away from a situation that was unhealthy for me is one of the toughest things I've ever done. This is the first time I've talked about it and I would hate to be that person who doesn't understand or make the effort to support my friend. I did and I have and I can't beat myself up over it any more than I have already. A better understanding in general society would benefit everyone. I've had to listen to other friends speak badly of my best friend because of her behaviour towards me. It's a hard thing to deal with for everyone involved and I'd like to see a whole different attitude towards the stigma attached to mental health issues. It is different when it is a family member or a close friend One of my friends has tried to take his own life on three occasions over a 5 year period. He was sectioned and I used to drive all the f**king way, a long way away, to visit him in hospital. His girlfriend dumped him after the second time He was on medication for a number of years which gave him the zombie look The medical staff would not tell me what was wrong with him; for all I knew he could have been a threat to me but I did not abandon him because he was my friend. He is pretty much OK now; has a new girlfriend and gets about life pretty much normally But I wouldn't do that for some random stranger. I don't give two hoots what anyone thinks about mebut I don't think anyone would do it for a random stranger, firstly how would you know they had a mental illness and do people invest time in random strangers with or without mental illness? Yes, I invest time in random strangers some of whom then become friends. How else does one make friends? but unless as you said they where acting "odd" how would you know they had a mental illness Unless someone told me that they were HIV carriers, I guess I wouldn't know that either. But once they do, then I am outta there Same with someone behaving very oddly or if they tell me that they have a mental illness In both those circumstances, I would whatever to eliminate any the risk to myselfI understand the behaving oddly, its your constant referal to random strangers. You say once they tell you but in which case they wouldn't be random strangers. I would hazard a guess you are around people with mental illness every day. Also people may have hiv Random strangers as in people I would meet in a swingers club or from this website; those are the only strangers I am likely to be in a private space with There are one or two people at work who have mental illnesses. They are relative strangers too but I am unlikely to be in a closed private space with them Feel very sorry for people with mental illnesses, behaviour disorders, etc. And where a family member or close friend is concerned, then I, like many others, would make very effort to learn about how to manage the condition. But not for strangers; not me; soooo politically incorrect but soooo true" well that makes more sense but I still don't know how you could tell someone had a mental illness in those situations. It's not really an ice breaker conversation in a swingers club | |||
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"I am a mental health support worker who works with those who have, ocd, challenging behaviour, schizophrenia, varying levels of autism, depression and vulnerable adults as a whole. They are some of the lovliest most caring people i have ever come across in my life, i've witnessed such disgusting behaviour from the general public towards those i support in the community. It really is shocking how "victorian age" some peoples attitudes really are. I can totally understand that too. It is utterly hideous to witness people who have little or no understanding of mental health issues. I've spent a whole lot of time thinking that I'm a terrible friend and to walk away from a situation that was unhealthy for me is one of the toughest things I've ever done. This is the first time I've talked about it and I would hate to be that person who doesn't understand or make the effort to support my friend. I did and I have and I can't beat myself up over it any more than I have already. A better understanding in general society would benefit everyone. I've had to listen to other friends speak badly of my best friend because of her behaviour towards me. It's a hard thing to deal with for everyone involved and I'd like to see a whole different attitude towards the stigma attached to mental health issues. It is different when it is a family member or a close friend One of my friends has tried to take his own life on three occasions over a 5 year period. He was sectioned and I used to drive all the f**king way, a long way away, to visit him in hospital. His girlfriend dumped him after the second time He was on medication for a number of years which gave him the zombie look The medical staff would not tell me what was wrong with him; for all I knew he could have been a threat to me but I did not abandon him because he was my friend. He is pretty much OK now; has a new girlfriend and gets about life pretty much normally But I wouldn't do that for some random stranger. I don't give two hoots what anyone thinks about mebut I don't think anyone would do it for a random stranger, firstly how would you know they had a mental illness and do people invest time in random strangers with or without mental illness? Yes, I invest time in random strangers some of whom then become friends. How else does one make friends? but unless as you said they where acting "odd" how would you know they had a mental illness Unless someone told me that they were HIV carriers, I guess I wouldn't know that either. But once they do, then I am outta there Same with someone behaving very oddly or if they tell me that they have a mental illness In both those circumstances, I would whatever to eliminate any the risk to myselfI understand the behaving oddly, its your constant referal to random strangers. You say once they tell you but in which case they wouldn't be random strangers. I would hazard a guess you are around people with mental illness every day. Also people may have hiv Random strangers as in people I would meet in a swingers club or from this website; those are the only strangers I am likely to be in a private space with There are one or two people at work who have mental illnesses. They are relative strangers too but I am unlikely to be in a closed private space with them Feel very sorry for people with mental illnesses, behaviour disorders, etc. And where a family member or close friend is concerned, then I, like many others, would make very effort to learn about how to manage the condition. But not for strangers; not me; soooo politically incorrect but soooo true" I don't know why you have to keep justifying why you do things, we are all different kind of human beings, I believe that my career path was to help others some don't have the same make up. You are who you are at the end of the day and if you believe what you believe in then that's your choice, there is no right or wrong answer. I'm sure you don't scream in their face fuck off you have a mental health issue I can't be around you...(well I hope not ) I think we all cope with different situations differently. I have been attacked with a wooden pole and stalked by ex service users who were unwell mentally. It has also made me very cautious as to my surroundings etc. | |||
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"I am a mental health support worker who works with those who have, ocd, challenging behaviour, schizophrenia, varying levels of autism, depression and vulnerable adults as a whole. They are some of the lovliest most caring people i have ever come across in my life, i've witnessed such disgusting behaviour from the general public towards those i support in the community. It really is shocking how "victorian age" some peoples attitudes really are. I can totally understand that too. It is utterly hideous to witness people who have little or no understanding of mental health issues. I've spent a whole lot of time thinking that I'm a terrible friend and to walk away from a situation that was unhealthy for me is one of the toughest things I've ever done. This is the first time I've talked about it and I would hate to be that person who doesn't understand or make the effort to support my friend. I did and I have and I can't beat myself up over it any more than I have already. A better understanding in general society would benefit everyone. I've had to listen to other friends speak badly of my best friend because of her behaviour towards me. It's a hard thing to deal with for everyone involved and I'd like to see a whole different attitude towards the stigma attached to mental health issues. It is different when it is a family member or a close friend One of my friends has tried to take his own life on three occasions over a 5 year period. He was sectioned and I used to drive all the f**king way, a long way away, to visit him in hospital. His girlfriend dumped him after the second time He was on medication for a number of years which gave him the zombie look The medical staff would not tell me what was wrong with him; for all I knew he could have been a threat to me but I did not abandon him because he was my friend. He is pretty much OK now; has a new girlfriend and gets about life pretty much normally But I wouldn't do that for some random stranger. I don't give two hoots what anyone thinks about mebut I don't think anyone would do it for a random stranger, firstly how would you know they had a mental illness and do people invest time in random strangers with or without mental illness? Yes, I invest time in random strangers some of whom then become friends. How else does one make friends? but unless as you said they where acting "odd" how would you know they had a mental illness Unless someone told me that they were HIV carriers, I guess I wouldn't know that either. But once they do, then I am outta there Same with someone behaving very oddly or if they tell me that they have a mental illness In both those circumstances, I would whatever to eliminate any the risk to myselfI understand the behaving oddly, its your constant referal to random strangers. You say once they tell you but in which case they wouldn't be random strangers. I would hazard a guess you are around people with mental illness every day. Also people may have hiv Random strangers as in people I would meet in a swingers club or from this website; those are the only strangers I am likely to be in a private space with There are one or two people at work who have mental illnesses. They are relative strangers too but I am unlikely to be in a closed private space with them Feel very sorry for people with mental illnesses, behaviour disorders, etc. And where a family member or close friend is concerned, then I, like many others, would make very effort to learn about how to manage the condition. But not for strangers; not me; soooo politically incorrect but soooo truewell that makes more sense but I still don't know how you could tell someone had a mental illness in those situations. It's not really an ice breaker conversation in a swingers club " You'd be surprised how many people behave very oddly there; and I am not talking about kinky sex 
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"I am a mental health support worker who works with those who have, ocd, challenging behaviour, schizophrenia, varying levels of autism, depression and vulnerable adults as a whole. They are some of the lovliest most caring people i have ever come across in my life, i've witnessed such disgusting behaviour from the general public towards those i support in the community. It really is shocking how "victorian age" some peoples attitudes really are. I can totally understand that too. It is utterly hideous to witness people who have little or no understanding of mental health issues. I've spent a whole lot of time thinking that I'm a terrible friend and to walk away from a situation that was unhealthy for me is one of the toughest things I've ever done. This is the first time I've talked about it and I would hate to be that person who doesn't understand or make the effort to support my friend. I did and I have and I can't beat myself up over it any more than I have already. A better understanding in general society would benefit everyone. I've had to listen to other friends speak badly of my best friend because of her behaviour towards me. It's a hard thing to deal with for everyone involved and I'd like to see a whole different attitude towards the stigma attached to mental health issues. It is different when it is a family member or a close friend One of my friends has tried to take his own life on three occasions over a 5 year period. He was sectioned and I used to drive all the f**king way, a long way away, to visit him in hospital. His girlfriend dumped him after the second time He was on medication for a number of years which gave him the zombie look The medical staff would not tell me what was wrong with him; for all I knew he could have been a threat to me but I did not abandon him because he was my friend. He is pretty much OK now; has a new girlfriend and gets about life pretty much normally But I wouldn't do that for some random stranger. I don't give two hoots what anyone thinks about mebut I don't think anyone would do it for a random stranger, firstly how would you know they had a mental illness and do people invest time in random strangers with or without mental illness? Yes, I invest time in random strangers some of whom then become friends. How else does one make friends? but unless as you said they where acting "odd" how would you know they had a mental illness Unless someone told me that they were HIV carriers, I guess I wouldn't know that either. But once they do, then I am outta there Same with someone behaving very oddly or if they tell me that they have a mental illness In both those circumstances, I would whatever to eliminate any the risk to myselfI understand the behaving oddly, its your constant referal to random strangers. You say once they tell you but in which case they wouldn't be random strangers. I would hazard a guess you are around people with mental illness every day. Also people may have hiv Random strangers as in people I would meet in a swingers club or from this website; those are the only strangers I am likely to be in a private space with There are one or two people at work who have mental illnesses. They are relative strangers too but I am unlikely to be in a closed private space with them Feel very sorry for people with mental illnesses, behaviour disorders, etc. And where a family member or close friend is concerned, then I, like many others, would make very effort to learn about how to manage the condition. But not for strangers; not me; soooo politically incorrect but soooo truewell that makes more sense but I still don't know how you could tell someone had a mental illness in those situations. It's not really an ice breaker conversation in a swingers club " You don't know as you corrected me above they are normal people with an illness, I can usually spot little things but I guess I have had training etc. | |||
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"I am a mental health support worker who works with those who have, ocd, challenging behaviour, schizophrenia, varying levels of autism, depression and vulnerable adults as a whole. They are some of the lovliest most caring people i have ever come across in my life, i've witnessed such disgusting behaviour from the general public towards those i support in the community. It really is shocking how "victorian age" some peoples attitudes really are. I can totally understand that too. It is utterly hideous to witness people who have little or no understanding of mental health issues. I've spent a whole lot of time thinking that I'm a terrible friend and to walk away from a situation that was unhealthy for me is one of the toughest things I've ever done. This is the first time I've talked about it and I would hate to be that person who doesn't understand or make the effort to support my friend. I did and I have and I can't beat myself up over it any more than I have already. A better understanding in general society would benefit everyone. I've had to listen to other friends speak badly of my best friend because of her behaviour towards me. It's a hard thing to deal with for everyone involved and I'd like to see a whole different attitude towards the stigma attached to mental health issues. It is different when it is a family member or a close friend One of my friends has tried to take his own life on three occasions over a 5 year period. He was sectioned and I used to drive all the f**king way, a long way away, to visit him in hospital. His girlfriend dumped him after the second time He was on medication for a number of years which gave him the zombie look The medical staff would not tell me what was wrong with him; for all I knew he could have been a threat to me but I did not abandon him because he was my friend. He is pretty much OK now; has a new girlfriend and gets about life pretty much normally But I wouldn't do that for some random stranger. I don't give two hoots what anyone thinks about mebut I don't think anyone would do it for a random stranger, firstly how would you know they had a mental illness and do people invest time in random strangers with or without mental illness? Yes, I invest time in random strangers some of whom then become friends. How else does one make friends? but unless as you said they where acting "odd" how would you know they had a mental illness Unless someone told me that they were HIV carriers, I guess I wouldn't know that either. But once they do, then I am outta there Same with someone behaving very oddly or if they tell me that they have a mental illness In both those circumstances, I would whatever to eliminate any the risk to myselfI understand the behaving oddly, its your constant referal to random strangers. You say once they tell you but in which case they wouldn't be random strangers. I would hazard a guess you are around people with mental illness every day. Also people may have hiv Random strangers as in people I would meet in a swingers club or from this website; those are the only strangers I am likely to be in a private space with There are one or two people at work who have mental illnesses. They are relative strangers too but I am unlikely to be in a closed private space with them Feel very sorry for people with mental illnesses, behaviour disorders, etc. And where a family member or close friend is concerned, then I, like many others, would make very effort to learn about how to manage the condition. But not for strangers; not me; soooo politically incorrect but soooo truewell that makes more sense but I still don't know how you could tell someone had a mental illness in those situations. It's not really an ice breaker conversation in a swingers club You'd be surprised how many people behave very oddly there; and I am not talking about kinky sex
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"I am a mental health support worker who works with those who have, ocd, challenging behaviour, schizophrenia, varying levels of autism, depression and vulnerable adults as a whole. They are some of the lovliest most caring people i have ever come across in my life, i've witnessed such disgusting behaviour from the general public towards those i support in the community. It really is shocking how "victorian age" some peoples attitudes really are. I can totally understand that too. It is utterly hideous to witness people who have little or no understanding of mental health issues. I've spent a whole lot of time thinking that I'm a terrible friend and to walk away from a situation that was unhealthy for me is one of the toughest things I've ever done. This is the first time I've talked about it and I would hate to be that person who doesn't understand or make the effort to support my friend. I did and I have and I can't beat myself up over it any more than I have already. A better understanding in general society would benefit everyone. I've had to listen to other friends speak badly of my best friend because of her behaviour towards me. It's a hard thing to deal with for everyone involved and I'd like to see a whole different attitude towards the stigma attached to mental health issues. It is different when it is a family member or a close friend One of my friends has tried to take his own life on three occasions over a 5 year period. He was sectioned and I used to drive all the f**king way, a long way away, to visit him in hospital. His girlfriend dumped him after the second time He was on medication for a number of years which gave him the zombie look The medical staff would not tell me what was wrong with him; for all I knew he could have been a threat to me but I did not abandon him because he was my friend. He is pretty much OK now; has a new girlfriend and gets about life pretty much normally But I wouldn't do that for some random stranger. I don't give two hoots what anyone thinks about mebut I don't think anyone would do it for a random stranger, firstly how would you know they had a mental illness and do people invest time in random strangers with or without mental illness? Yes, I invest time in random strangers some of whom then become friends. How else does one make friends? but unless as you said they where acting "odd" how would you know they had a mental illness Unless someone told me that they were HIV carriers, I guess I wouldn't know that either. But once they do, then I am outta there Same with someone behaving very oddly or if they tell me that they have a mental illness In both those circumstances, I would whatever to eliminate any the risk to myselfI understand the behaving oddly, its your constant referal to random strangers. You say once they tell you but in which case they wouldn't be random strangers. I would hazard a guess you are around people with mental illness every day. Also people may have hiv Random strangers as in people I would meet in a swingers club or from this website; those are the only strangers I am likely to be in a private space with There are one or two people at work who have mental illnesses. They are relative strangers too but I am unlikely to be in a closed private space with them Feel very sorry for people with mental illnesses, behaviour disorders, etc. And where a family member or close friend is concerned, then I, like many others, would make very effort to learn about how to manage the condition. But not for strangers; not me; soooo politically incorrect but soooo truewell that makes more sense but I still don't know how you could tell someone had a mental illness in those situations. It's not really an ice breaker conversation in a swingers club You don't know as you corrected me above they are normal people with an illness, I can usually spot little things but I guess I have had training etc. " but you still think they are not normal and that is the thing that saddens me, the people who say they know about mental illness that don't have a clue, its like someone saying they are not racist then come out with something. I really much prefer people that admit they are clueless | |||
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"I am a mental health support worker who works with those who have, ocd, challenging behaviour, schizophrenia, varying levels of autism, depression and vulnerable adults as a whole. They are some of the lovliest most caring people i have ever come across in my life, i've witnessed such disgusting behaviour from the general public towards those i support in the community. It really is shocking how "victorian age" some peoples attitudes really are. I can totally understand that too. It is utterly hideous to witness people who have little or no understanding of mental health issues. I've spent a whole lot of time thinking that I'm a terrible friend and to walk away from a situation that was unhealthy for me is one of the toughest things I've ever done. This is the first time I've talked about it and I would hate to be that person who doesn't understand or make the effort to support my friend. I did and I have and I can't beat myself up over it any more than I have already. A better understanding in general society would benefit everyone. I've had to listen to other friends speak badly of my best friend because of her behaviour towards me. It's a hard thing to deal with for everyone involved and I'd like to see a whole different attitude towards the stigma attached to mental health issues. It is different when it is a family member or a close friend One of my friends has tried to take his own life on three occasions over a 5 year period. He was sectioned and I used to drive all the f**king way, a long way away, to visit him in hospital. His girlfriend dumped him after the second time He was on medication for a number of years which gave him the zombie look The medical staff would not tell me what was wrong with him; for all I knew he could have been a threat to me but I did not abandon him because he was my friend. He is pretty much OK now; has a new girlfriend and gets about life pretty much normally But I wouldn't do that for some random stranger. I don't give two hoots what anyone thinks about mebut I don't think anyone would do it for a random stranger, firstly how would you know they had a mental illness and do people invest time in random strangers with or without mental illness? Yes, I invest time in random strangers some of whom then become friends. How else does one make friends? but unless as you said they where acting "odd" how would you know they had a mental illness Unless someone told me that they were HIV carriers, I guess I wouldn't know that either. But once they do, then I am outta there Same with someone behaving very oddly or if they tell me that they have a mental illness In both those circumstances, I would whatever to eliminate any the risk to myselfI understand the behaving oddly, its your constant referal to random strangers. You say once they tell you but in which case they wouldn't be random strangers. I would hazard a guess you are around people with mental illness every day. Also people may have hiv Random strangers as in people I would meet in a swingers club or from this website; those are the only strangers I am likely to be in a private space with There are one or two people at work who have mental illnesses. They are relative strangers too but I am unlikely to be in a closed private space with them Feel very sorry for people with mental illnesses, behaviour disorders, etc. And where a family member or close friend is concerned, then I, like many others, would make very effort to learn about how to manage the condition. But not for strangers; not me; soooo politically incorrect but soooo truewell that makes more sense but I still don't know how you could tell someone had a mental illness in those situations. It's not really an ice breaker conversation in a swingers club You'd be surprised how many people behave very oddly there; and I am not talking about kinky sex
But then again, that may be normal behaviour there and I've been walking away from great sex all this time I would say the later is the most likely
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"I am a mental health support worker who works with those who have, ocd, challenging behaviour, schizophrenia, varying levels of autism, depression and vulnerable adults as a whole. They are some of the lovliest most caring people i have ever come across in my life, i've witnessed such disgusting behaviour from the general public towards those i support in the community. It really is shocking how "victorian age" some peoples attitudes really are. I can totally understand that too. It is utterly hideous to witness people who have little or no understanding of mental health issues. I've spent a whole lot of time thinking that I'm a terrible friend and to walk away from a situation that was unhealthy for me is one of the toughest things I've ever done. This is the first time I've talked about it and I would hate to be that person who doesn't understand or make the effort to support my friend. I did and I have and I can't beat myself up over it any more than I have already. A better understanding in general society would benefit everyone. I've had to listen to other friends speak badly of my best friend because of her behaviour towards me. It's a hard thing to deal with for everyone involved and I'd like to see a whole different attitude towards the stigma attached to mental health issues. It is different when it is a family member or a close friend One of my friends has tried to take his own life on three occasions over a 5 year period. He was sectioned and I used to drive all the f**king way, a long way away, to visit him in hospital. His girlfriend dumped him after the second time He was on medication for a number of years which gave him the zombie look The medical staff would not tell me what was wrong with him; for all I knew he could have been a threat to me but I did not abandon him because he was my friend. He is pretty much OK now; has a new girlfriend and gets about life pretty much normally But I wouldn't do that for some random stranger. I don't give two hoots what anyone thinks about mebut I don't think anyone would do it for a random stranger, firstly how would you know they had a mental illness and do people invest time in random strangers with or without mental illness? Yes, I invest time in random strangers some of whom then become friends. How else does one make friends? but unless as you said they where acting "odd" how would you know they had a mental illness Unless someone told me that they were HIV carriers, I guess I wouldn't know that either. But once they do, then I am outta there Same with someone behaving very oddly or if they tell me that they have a mental illness In both those circumstances, I would whatever to eliminate any the risk to myselfI understand the behaving oddly, its your constant referal to random strangers. You say once they tell you but in which case they wouldn't be random strangers. I would hazard a guess you are around people with mental illness every day. Also people may have hiv Random strangers as in people I would meet in a swingers club or from this website; those are the only strangers I am likely to be in a private space with There are one or two people at work who have mental illnesses. They are relative strangers too but I am unlikely to be in a closed private space with them Feel very sorry for people with mental illnesses, behaviour disorders, etc. And where a family member or close friend is concerned, then I, like many others, would make very effort to learn about how to manage the condition. But not for strangers; not me; soooo politically incorrect but soooo truewell that makes more sense but I still don't know how you could tell someone had a mental illness in those situations. It's not really an ice breaker conversation in a swingers club You don't know as you corrected me above they are normal people with an illness, I can usually spot little things but I guess I have had training etc. but you still think they are not normal and that is the thing that saddens me, the people who say they know about mental illness that don't have a clue, its like someone saying they are not racist then come out with something. I really much prefer people that admit they are clueless" Pardon me, but how could someone with a dissociative disorder (I Googled it) be considered normal. If it was normal, then it wouldn't be a disorder | |||
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"I am a mental health support worker who works with those who have, ocd, challenging behaviour, schizophrenia, varying levels of autism, depression and vulnerable adults as a whole. They are some of the lovliest most caring people i have ever come across in my life, i've witnessed such disgusting behaviour from the general public towards those i support in the community. It really is shocking how "victorian age" some peoples attitudes really are. I can totally understand that too. It is utterly hideous to witness people who have little or no understanding of mental health issues. I've spent a whole lot of time thinking that I'm a terrible friend and to walk away from a situation that was unhealthy for me is one of the toughest things I've ever done. This is the first time I've talked about it and I would hate to be that person who doesn't understand or make the effort to support my friend. I did and I have and I can't beat myself up over it any more than I have already. A better understanding in general society would benefit everyone. I've had to listen to other friends speak badly of my best friend because of her behaviour towards me. It's a hard thing to deal with for everyone involved and I'd like to see a whole different attitude towards the stigma attached to mental health issues. It is different when it is a family member or a close friend One of my friends has tried to take his own life on three occasions over a 5 year period. He was sectioned and I used to drive all the f**king way, a long way away, to visit him in hospital. His girlfriend dumped him after the second time He was on medication for a number of years which gave him the zombie look The medical staff would not tell me what was wrong with him; for all I knew he could have been a threat to me but I did not abandon him because he was my friend. He is pretty much OK now; has a new girlfriend and gets about life pretty much normally But I wouldn't do that for some random stranger. I don't give two hoots what anyone thinks about mebut I don't think anyone would do it for a random stranger, firstly how would you know they had a mental illness and do people invest time in random strangers with or without mental illness? Yes, I invest time in random strangers some of whom then become friends. How else does one make friends? but unless as you said they where acting "odd" how would you know they had a mental illness Unless someone told me that they were HIV carriers, I guess I wouldn't know that either. But once they do, then I am outta there Same with someone behaving very oddly or if they tell me that they have a mental illness In both those circumstances, I would whatever to eliminate any the risk to myselfI understand the behaving oddly, its your constant referal to random strangers. You say once they tell you but in which case they wouldn't be random strangers. I would hazard a guess you are around people with mental illness every day. Also people may have hiv Random strangers as in people I would meet in a swingers club or from this website; those are the only strangers I am likely to be in a private space with There are one or two people at work who have mental illnesses. They are relative strangers too but I am unlikely to be in a closed private space with them Feel very sorry for people with mental illnesses, behaviour disorders, etc. And where a family member or close friend is concerned, then I, like many others, would make very effort to learn about how to manage the condition. But not for strangers; not me; soooo politically incorrect but soooo truewell that makes more sense but I still don't know how you could tell someone had a mental illness in those situations. It's not really an ice breaker conversation in a swingers club You don't know as you corrected me above they are normal people with an illness, I can usually spot little things but I guess I have had training etc. but you still think they are not normal and that is the thing that saddens me, the people who say they know about mental illness that don't have a clue, its like someone saying they are not racist then come out with something. I really much prefer people that admit they are clueless" I stated above that I use the wrong wording we are all guilty of that but please do not assume that I am clueless in a subject, I know enough about mental health and I am constantly learning. I used some poor wording that was all I do consider those with mental health issues normal. I too have suffered mental health issues at some stage in my life..... | |||
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"I am a mental health support worker who works with those who have, ocd, challenging behaviour, schizophrenia, varying levels of autism, depression and vulnerable adults as a whole. They are some of the lovliest most caring people i have ever come across in my life, i've witnessed such disgusting behaviour from the general public towards those i support in the community. It really is shocking how "victorian age" some peoples attitudes really are. I can totally understand that too. It is utterly hideous to witness people who have little or no understanding of mental health issues. I've spent a whole lot of time thinking that I'm a terrible friend and to walk away from a situation that was unhealthy for me is one of the toughest things I've ever done. This is the first time I've talked about it and I would hate to be that person who doesn't understand or make the effort to support my friend. I did and I have and I can't beat myself up over it any more than I have already. A better understanding in general society would benefit everyone. I've had to listen to other friends speak badly of my best friend because of her behaviour towards me. It's a hard thing to deal with for everyone involved and I'd like to see a whole different attitude towards the stigma attached to mental health issues. It is different when it is a family member or a close friend One of my friends has tried to take his own life on three occasions over a 5 year period. He was sectioned and I used to drive all the f**king way, a long way away, to visit him in hospital. His girlfriend dumped him after the second time He was on medication for a number of years which gave him the zombie look The medical staff would not tell me what was wrong with him; for all I knew he could have been a threat to me but I did not abandon him because he was my friend. He is pretty much OK now; has a new girlfriend and gets about life pretty much normally But I wouldn't do that for some random stranger. I don't give two hoots what anyone thinks about mebut I don't think anyone would do it for a random stranger, firstly how would you know they had a mental illness and do people invest time in random strangers with or without mental illness? Yes, I invest time in random strangers some of whom then become friends. How else does one make friends? but unless as you said they where acting "odd" how would you know they had a mental illness Unless someone told me that they were HIV carriers, I guess I wouldn't know that either. But once they do, then I am outta there Same with someone behaving very oddly or if they tell me that they have a mental illness In both those circumstances, I would whatever to eliminate any the risk to myselfI understand the behaving oddly, its your constant referal to random strangers. You say once they tell you but in which case they wouldn't be random strangers. I would hazard a guess you are around people with mental illness every day. Also people may have hiv Random strangers as in people I would meet in a swingers club or from this website; those are the only strangers I am likely to be in a private space with There are one or two people at work who have mental illnesses. They are relative strangers too but I am unlikely to be in a closed private space with them Feel very sorry for people with mental illnesses, behaviour disorders, etc. And where a family member or close friend is concerned, then I, like many others, would make very effort to learn about how to manage the condition. But not for strangers; not me; soooo politically incorrect but soooo truewell that makes more sense but I still don't know how you could tell someone had a mental illness in those situations. It's not really an ice breaker conversation in a swingers club You don't know as you corrected me above they are normal people with an illness, I can usually spot little things but I guess I have had training etc. but you still think they are not normal and that is the thing that saddens me, the people who say they know about mental illness that don't have a clue, its like someone saying they are not racist then come out with something. I really much prefer people that admit they are clueless Pardon me, but how could someone with a dissociative disorder (I Googled it) be considered normal. If it was normal, then it wouldn't be a disorder" cheeky was referring to people that seem " normal" many people with mental health issues lead a normal life. Sadly some have a severe illness and no these people wouldnt possibly be able to lead a normal life but these people don't make up the majority | |||
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"In our lives we encounter various people with different personalities . Some are appealing , others not so much . With family it's a different criteria as to whether you want to spend time with them . Obviously you would put more time into family than you would a random person . So looking at a schizophrenic who isn't a family member , one has a choice to make . Is this person someone I want to spend time with ? Potential problems , how to cope with the disorder , make it a choice hard to make . Why bother when there are plenty of options to share time with people who don't suffer the disorder ? So if we know a casual acquaintance has schizophrenia why would we want to invest time in establishing a relationship with that person ? Upon doing research into the condition , all manner of problems may lie ahead . So personally , I wouldn't want to get involved given the choice . I truly don't think I would be able to offer anything helpful if they had an episode .
Gosh, you are brave to have written that. Politically incorrect but so true
Whilst I will not run for the hills if I meet someone with a mental illness, I would not want to be alone with them either
Why is it brave or politically incorrect?
Has it really come to pass that we can't state a rational, personal statement, without fear of being deemed "brave?"
Unfortunately, yes. Even asking someone to explain what their mental illness means is like walking on egg-shells
I quite recently had personal experience of just that
Now, I wouldn't even bother asking. For me, its just not worth the hassle of being labelled "insensitive"
Me too. And I'll now just avoid putting myself in that situation. If that means I don't pursue something with someone, well that person already has bigger things to worry about than me anyway.
Without wishing to sound insensitive being more concerned about YOURSELF than the person who's a bit mad is just silly.
The vast, vast majority of people with MH condition (and that 1 in 4 of us over a lifetime) could use more in the way of support and understanding than the typical reaction of
"Oh this one's mad, what will he/she do to me?!" .
I don't really give a fuck. If it's someone I already know and love then of course I care about them. If I don't then why make life difficult for myself, I have enough to deal with supporting those already in my life. It's not that I think they're going to harm me, it's just that I don't have to mental or caring capacity to deal with every person in that way. wow, just wow, other people have said they don't want to be around people with mental health issues on this thread without coming across as so vile and aggressive"How is it vile and aggressive? She has said the same as other posters, just using different words. I read it that she's just saying she can't support a stranger in that way, but it would be different for a family member/ friend. (Apologies Ruby if that's not what you meant.) | |||
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"In our lives we encounter various people with different personalities . Some are appealing , others not so much . With family it's a different criteria as to whether you want to spend time with them . Obviously you would put more time into family than you would a random person . So looking at a schizophrenic who isn't a family member , one has a choice to make . Is this person someone I want to spend time with ? Potential problems , how to cope with the disorder , make it a choice hard to make . Why bother when there are plenty of options to share time with people who don't suffer the disorder ? So if we know a casual acquaintance has schizophrenia why would we want to invest time in establishing a relationship with that person ? Upon doing research into the condition , all manner of problems may lie ahead . So personally , I wouldn't want to get involved given the choice . I truly don't think I would be able to offer anything helpful if they had an episode .
Gosh, you are brave to have written that. Politically incorrect but so true
Whilst I will not run for the hills if I meet someone with a mental illness, I would not want to be alone with them either
Why is it brave or politically incorrect?
Has it really come to pass that we can't state a rational, personal statement, without fear of being deemed "brave?"
Unfortunately, yes. Even asking someone to explain what their mental illness means is like walking on egg-shells
I quite recently had personal experience of just that
Now, I wouldn't even bother asking. For me, its just not worth the hassle of being labelled "insensitive"
Me too. And I'll now just avoid putting myself in that situation. If that means I don't pursue something with someone, well that person already has bigger things to worry about than me anyway.
Without wishing to sound insensitive being more concerned about YOURSELF than the person who's a bit mad is just silly.
The vast, vast majority of people with MH condition (and that 1 in 4 of us over a lifetime) could use more in the way of support and understanding than the typical reaction of
"Oh this one's mad, what will he/she do to me?!" .
I don't really give a fuck. If it's someone I already know and love then of course I care about them. If I don't then why make life difficult for myself, I have enough to deal with supporting those already in my life. It's not that I think they're going to harm me, it's just that I don't have to mental or caring capacity to deal with every person in that way. wow, just wow, other people have said they don't want to be around people with mental health issues on this thread without coming across as so vile and aggressive
How is it vile and aggressive? She has said the same as other posters, just using different words.
I read it that she's just saying she can't support a stranger in that way, but it would be different for a family member/ friend. (Apologies Ruby if that's not what you meant.)"just shows different people read things differently then doesn't it | |||
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"In our lives we encounter various people with different personalities . Some are appealing , others not so much . With family it's a different criteria as to whether you want to spend time with them . Obviously you would put more time into family than you would a random person . So looking at a schizophrenic who isn't a family member , one has a choice to make . Is this person someone I want to spend time with ? Potential problems , how to cope with the disorder , make it a choice hard to make . Why bother when there are plenty of options to share time with people who don't suffer the disorder ? So if we know a casual acquaintance has schizophrenia why would we want to invest time in establishing a relationship with that person ? Upon doing research into the condition , all manner of problems may lie ahead . So personally , I wouldn't want to get involved given the choice . I truly don't think I would be able to offer anything helpful if they had an episode .
Gosh, you are brave to have written that. Politically incorrect but so true
Whilst I will not run for the hills if I meet someone with a mental illness, I would not want to be alone with them either
Why is it brave or politically incorrect?
Has it really come to pass that we can't state a rational, personal statement, without fear of being deemed "brave?"
Unfortunately, yes. Even asking someone to explain what their mental illness means is like walking on egg-shells
I quite recently had personal experience of just that
Now, I wouldn't even bother asking. For me, its just not worth the hassle of being labelled "insensitive"
Me too. And I'll now just avoid putting myself in that situation. If that means I don't pursue something with someone, well that person already has bigger things to worry about than me anyway.
Without wishing to sound insensitive being more concerned about YOURSELF than the person who's a bit mad is just silly.
The vast, vast majority of people with MH condition (and that 1 in 4 of us over a lifetime) could use more in the way of support and understanding than the typical reaction of
"Oh this one's mad, what will he/she do to me?!" .
I don't really give a fuck. If it's someone I already know and love then of course I care about them. If I don't then why make life difficult for myself, I have enough to deal with supporting those already in my life. It's not that I think they're going to harm me, it's just that I don't have to mental or caring capacity to deal with every person in that way. wow, just wow, other people have said they don't want to be around people with mental health issues on this thread without coming across as so vile and aggressive
How is it vile and aggressive? She has said the same as other posters, just using different words.
I read it that she's just saying she can't support a stranger in that way, but it would be different for a family member/ friend. (Apologies Ruby if that's not what you meant.)"She said what I was thinking. I too sometimes am exasperated at how PC one has to be around here Would anyone go linking arms with known Psychopath? And if not, then why not; after all, it only a mental illness and he too deserves understanding and sympathy. And I bet his family and friends give this to him. Me? you wouldn't see me for dust | |||
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"In our lives we encounter various people with different personalities . Some are appealing , others not so much . With family it's a different criteria as to whether you want to spend time with them . Obviously you would put more time into family than you would a random person . So looking at a schizophrenic who isn't a family member , one has a choice to make . Is this person someone I want to spend time with ? Potential problems , how to cope with the disorder , make it a choice hard to make . Why bother when there are plenty of options to share time with people who don't suffer the disorder ? So if we know a casual acquaintance has schizophrenia why would we want to invest time in establishing a relationship with that person ? Upon doing research into the condition , all manner of problems may lie ahead . So personally , I wouldn't want to get involved given the choice . I truly don't think I would be able to offer anything helpful if they had an episode .
Gosh, you are brave to have written that. Politically incorrect but so true
Whilst I will not run for the hills if I meet someone with a mental illness, I would not want to be alone with them either
Why is it brave or politically incorrect?
Has it really come to pass that we can't state a rational, personal statement, without fear of being deemed "brave?"
Unfortunately, yes. Even asking someone to explain what their mental illness means is like walking on egg-shells
I quite recently had personal experience of just that
Now, I wouldn't even bother asking. For me, its just not worth the hassle of being labelled "insensitive"
Me too. And I'll now just avoid putting myself in that situation. If that means I don't pursue something with someone, well that person already has bigger things to worry about than me anyway.
Without wishing to sound insensitive being more concerned about YOURSELF than the person who's a bit mad is just silly.
The vast, vast majority of people with MH condition (and that 1 in 4 of us over a lifetime) could use more in the way of support and understanding than the typical reaction of
"Oh this one's mad, what will he/she do to me?!" .
I don't really give a fuck. If it's someone I already know and love then of course I care about them. If I don't then why make life difficult for myself, I have enough to deal with supporting those already in my life. It's not that I think they're going to harm me, it's just that I don't have to mental or caring capacity to deal with every person in that way. wow, just wow, other people have said they don't want to be around people with mental health issues on this thread without coming across as so vile and aggressive
How is it vile and aggressive? She has said the same as other posters, just using different words.
I read it that she's just saying she can't support a stranger in that way, but it would be different for a family member/ friend. (Apologies Ruby if that's not what you meant.)
She said what I was thinking. I too sometimes am exasperated at how PC one has to be around here
Would anyone go linking arms with known Psychopath? And if not, then why not; after all, it only a mental illness and he too deserves understanding and sympathy. And I bet his family and friends give this to him. Me? you wouldn't see me for dust"people where agreeing with you, well I was, the only thing I questioned is how you could tell if someone had a mental illness if they weren't acting "odd" | |||
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"She said what I was thinking. I too sometimes am exasperated at how PC one has to be around here Would anyone go linking arms with known Psychopath? And if not, then why not; after all, it only a mental illness and he too deserves understanding and sympathy. And I bet his family and friends give this to him. Me? you wouldn't see me for dust" It's not a matter of 'PC' - it's a matter of treating fellow human beings with respect. . Oh, and for the record I've worked with 3 psychopaths. 2 I knew about the diagnosis beforehand and 1 I did not. In all 3 cases I had the same overwhelming sensation that I did not want to be left alone with this person. | |||
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"In our lives we encounter various people with different personalities . Some are appealing , others not so much . With family it's a different criteria as to whether you want to spend time with them . Obviously you would put more time into family than you would a random person . So looking at a schizophrenic who isn't a family member , one has a choice to make . Is this person someone I want to spend time with ? Potential problems , how to cope with the disorder , make it a choice hard to make . Why bother when there are plenty of options to share time with people who don't suffer the disorder ? So if we know a casual acquaintance has schizophrenia why would we want to invest time in establishing a relationship with that person ? Upon doing research into the condition , all manner of problems may lie ahead . So personally , I wouldn't want to get involved given the choice . I truly don't think I would be able to offer anything helpful if they had an episode .
Gosh, you are brave to have written that. Politically incorrect but so true
Whilst I will not run for the hills if I meet someone with a mental illness, I would not want to be alone with them either
Why is it brave or politically incorrect?
Has it really come to pass that we can't state a rational, personal statement, without fear of being deemed "brave?"
Unfortunately, yes. Even asking someone to explain what their mental illness means is like walking on egg-shells
I quite recently had personal experience of just that
Now, I wouldn't even bother asking. For me, its just not worth the hassle of being labelled "insensitive"
Me too. And I'll now just avoid putting myself in that situation. If that means I don't pursue something with someone, well that person already has bigger things to worry about than me anyway.
Without wishing to sound insensitive being more concerned about YOURSELF than the person who's a bit mad is just silly.
The vast, vast majority of people with MH condition (and that 1 in 4 of us over a lifetime) could use more in the way of support and understanding than the typical reaction of
"Oh this one's mad, what will he/she do to me?!" .
I don't really give a fuck. If it's someone I already know and love then of course I care about them. If I don't then why make life difficult for myself, I have enough to deal with supporting those already in my life. It's not that I think they're going to harm me, it's just that I don't have to mental or caring capacity to deal with every person in that way. wow, just wow, other people have said they don't want to be around people with mental health issues on this thread without coming across as so vile and aggressive
How is it vile and aggressive? She has said the same as other posters, just using different words.
I read it that she's just saying she can't support a stranger in that way, but it would be different for a family member/ friend. (Apologies Ruby if that's not what you meant.)
She said what I was thinking. I too sometimes am exasperated at how PC one has to be around here
Would anyone go linking arms with known Psychopath? And if not, then why not; after all, it only a mental illness and he too deserves understanding and sympathy. And I bet his family and friends give this to him. Me? you wouldn't see me for dustpeople where agreeing with you, well I was, the only thing I questioned is how you could tell if someone had a mental illness if they weren't acting "odd""You are correct; I couldn't tell if he was acting odd because he is just an oddball or whether he is suffering from a mental illness. But I'd rather not discover the fine distinction when he has finally got his hands around my throat in some locked hotel room. Lot of good that will do me as the forum comments flash past along with my life | |||
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"She said what I was thinking. I too sometimes am exasperated at how PC one has to be around here Would anyone go linking arms with known Psychopath? And if not, then why not; after all, it only a mental illness and he too deserves understanding and sympathy. And I bet his family and friends give this to him. Me? you wouldn't see me for dust It's not a matter of 'PC' - it's a matter of treating fellow human beings with respect. . Oh, and for the record I've worked with 3 psychopaths. 2 I knew about the diagnosis beforehand and 1 I did not. In all 3 cases I had the same overwhelming sensation that I did not want to be left alone with this person. " What do you mean by respect? I don't disrespect anyone. I just don't want to be around alone with one of them; now that is 'disrespectful' then so be it I am not stopping you or anyone else from taking risks. That is your perorgative as it is mine to avoid what I feel are dangerous situations | |||
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"It amazes me how many people have closed minds about it.
It amazes (well, more saddens, angers and frustrates) me how few people have any kind of understanding of mental health issues in general, and believe they have any kind of authority to speak of and judge those who are unfortunate enough to suffer from them.
Why is that ?
When choosing friends , acquaintances , people we wish to spend time with , we make choices .
Surely it's about preference is it not ?
Do those who have closed minds about not wanting to spend time with older people , gregarious people , timid people , etc...... Exercise these preferences ?
If I don't want to gain an understanding of those with mental issues , it saddens me that you should feel angry or frustrated at my choice .
You're entitled to your preferences, but if you read my post again, you'll see my problem isn't with people who are wary of Mental Health issues, but rather those who feel they can judge people who suffer from them, despite having no knowledge of the issues themselves, or how deeply they affect the sufferer, like loud mouthed twats (and I've met plenty of them) who say we just need to 'pull ourselves together/man up/smile mate, you'll live longer (delivered in superior rather than friendly fashion)', they make my fucking blood boil."My apologies . I certainly wouldn't behave in the way you have described . I certainly don't consider myself any better than anyone suffering with a mental health disorder , so who am I to judge ? It would make my blood boil if someone with a disorder judged me for not having a disorder too . A different subject to the one we are discussing I believe . | |||
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"My step sister had it. Very hard to live and deal with as a child because we wasn't told nor did anyone explain what was wrong with her. Her illness was swept under the carpet, never spoke about, hushed hushed. It was a sad day when I learnt that she was ill and NOT crazy like we all thought growing up!! It's soul destroying watching someone fall apart because of mental illness!! "Sorry to hear that ,sounds like my family .my depression /anxiety and suicide attempt were and aren't spoken of ..never . Sending a hug xx | |||
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"She said what I was thinking. I too sometimes am exasperated at how PC one has to be around here Would anyone go linking arms with known Psychopath? And if not, then why not; after all, it only a mental illness and he too deserves understanding and sympathy. And I bet his family and friends give this to him. Me? you wouldn't see me for dust It's not a matter of 'PC' - it's a matter of treating fellow human beings with respect. . Oh, and for the record I've worked with 3 psychopaths. 2 I knew about the diagnosis beforehand and 1 I did not. In all 3 cases I had the same overwhelming sensation that I did not want to be left alone with this person. What do you mean by respect? I don't disrespect anyone. I just don't want to be around alone with one of them; now that is 'disrespectful' then so be it I am not stopping you or anyone else from taking risks. That is your perorgative as it is mine to avoid what I feel are dangerous situations" "...with one of them..." ?? | |||
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"She said what I was thinking. I too sometimes am exasperated at how PC one has to be around here Would anyone go linking arms with known Psychopath? And if not, then why not; after all, it only a mental illness and he too deserves understanding and sympathy. And I bet his family and friends give this to him. Me? you wouldn't see me for dust It's not a matter of 'PC' - it's a matter of treating fellow human beings with respect. . Oh, and for the record I've worked with 3 psychopaths. 2 I knew about the diagnosis beforehand and 1 I did not. In all 3 cases I had the same overwhelming sensation that I did not want to be left alone with this person. What do you mean by respect? I don't disrespect anyone. I just don't want to be around alone with one of them; now that is 'disrespectful' then so be it I am not stopping you or anyone else from taking risks. That is your perorgative as it is mine to avoid what I feel are dangerous situations "...with one of them..." ??" Yes, with one of them!!!!! Like I said, PC gone mad | |||
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"In our lives we encounter various people with different personalities . Some are appealing , others not so much . With family it's a different criteria as to whether you want to spend time with them . Obviously you would put more time into family than you would a random person . So looking at a schizophrenic who isn't a family member , one has a choice to make . Is this person someone I want to spend time with ? Potential problems , how to cope with the disorder , make it a choice hard to make . Why bother when there are plenty of options to share time with people who don't suffer the disorder ? So if we know a casual acquaintance has schizophrenia why would we want to invest time in establishing a relationship with that person ? Upon doing research into the condition , all manner of problems may lie ahead . So personally , I wouldn't want to get involved given the choice . I truly don't think I would be able to offer anything helpful if they had an episode .
Gosh, you are brave to have written that. Politically incorrect but so true
Whilst I will not run for the hills if I meet someone with a mental illness, I would not want to be alone with them either
Why is it brave or politically incorrect?
Has it really come to pass that we can't state a rational, personal statement, without fear of being deemed "brave?"
Unfortunately, yes. Even asking someone to explain what their mental illness means is like walking on egg-shells
I quite recently had personal experience of just that
Now, I wouldn't even bother asking. For me, its just not worth the hassle of being labelled "insensitive"
Me too. And I'll now just avoid putting myself in that situation. If that means I don't pursue something with someone, well that person already has bigger things to worry about than me anyway.
Without wishing to sound insensitive being more concerned about YOURSELF than the person who's a bit mad is just silly.
The vast, vast majority of people with MH condition (and that 1 in 4 of us over a lifetime) could use more in the way of support and understanding than the typical reaction of
"Oh this one's mad, what will he/she do to me?!" .
I don't really give a fuck. If it's someone I already know and love then of course I care about them. If I don't then why make life difficult for myself, I have enough to deal with supporting those already in my life. It's not that I think they're going to harm me, it's just that I don't have to mental or caring capacity to deal with every person in that way. wow, just wow, other people have said they don't want to be around people with mental health issues on this thread without coming across as so vile and aggressive
How is it vile and aggressive? She has said the same as other posters, just using different words.
I read it that she's just saying she can't support a stranger in that way, but it would be different for a family member/ friend. (Apologies Ruby if that's not what you meant.)
She said what I was thinking. I too sometimes am exasperated at how PC one has to be around here
Would anyone go linking arms with known Psychopath? And if not, then why not; after all, it only a mental illness and he too deserves understanding and sympathy. And I bet his family and friends give this to him. Me? you wouldn't see me for dustpeople where agreeing with you, well I was, the only thing I questioned is how you could tell if someone had a mental illness if they weren't acting "odd"
You are correct; I couldn't tell if he was acting odd because he is just an oddball or whether he is suffering from a mental illness. But I'd rather not discover the fine distinction when he has finally got his hands around my throat in some locked hotel room. Lot of good that will do me as the forum comments flash past along with my life" I agree with you and also what Ruby said.
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"Ironic that wider society considers everybody on this site to have some sort of mental disorder, because it encourages 'reckless' 'immoral' 'nymphomaniac' 'abnormal' sexual behaviour..indeed not so long ago - people were committed for doing what we do. So in effect you/we are 'one of them'" Yes. Totally. Perspective, context and how society in general treats you are key. | |||
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"Ironic that wider society considers everybody on this site to have some sort of mental disorder, because it encourages 'reckless' 'immoral' 'nymphomaniac' 'abnormal' sexual behaviour..indeed not so long ago - people were committed for doing what we do. So in effect you/we are 'one of them'" And homosexual behaviour was seen as an offence until 1969 . You were either insane or so wrong that prison sentences were given for such immoral goings on ! Time moves on , attitudes change . Thankfully I do think we are all in a better place to live in today . We can exercise our right to choose what we will do and with whom . As long as no one is hurt , that surely has to be better , yes ?  | |||
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"Ironic that wider society considers everybody on this site to have some sort of mental disorder, because it encourages 'reckless' 'immoral' 'nymphomaniac' 'abnormal' sexual behaviour..indeed not so long ago - people were committed for doing what we do. So in effect you/we are 'one of them'" I don't think a nymphomaniac ever killed anyone. Well, maybe an old man with a dicky ticker
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But if you consider yourself to be mentally ill then who am I to say that you are not"A woman I used to know in the sector once told me: "We all have a touch of mental health - it just depends on how in touch you are with it." | |||
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"Ironic that wider society considers everybody on this site to have some sort of mental disorder, because it encourages 'reckless' 'immoral' 'nymphomaniac' 'abnormal' sexual behaviour..indeed not so long ago - people were committed for doing what we do. So in effect you/we are 'one of them' And homosexual behaviour was seen as an offence until 1969 . You were either insane or so wrong that prison sentences were given for such immoral goings on ! Time moves on , attitudes change . Thankfully I do think we are all in a better place to live in today . We can exercise our right to choose what we will do and with whom . As long as no one is hurt , that surely has to be better , yes ? "Some peoples attitudes have moved on ,but,unfortunately like mental health suffers,some homosexuals are also not understood and treated terribly ,even by friends/family | |||
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"I don't think a nymphomaniac ever killed anyone. Well, maybe an old man with a dicky ticker
But if you consider yourself to be mentally ill then who am I to say that you are not
A woman I used to know in the sector once told me:
"We all have a touch of mental health - it just depends on how in touch you are with it." "Ain't that the truth | |||
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"I don't think a nymphomaniac ever killed anyone. Well, maybe an old man with a dicky ticker
But if you consider yourself to be mentally ill then who am I to say that you are not
A woman I used to know in the sector once told me:
"We all have a touch of mental health - it just depends on how in touch you are with it." "And you believed that because a woman you knew in 'the sector' told you so OK | |||
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"I don't think a nymphomaniac ever killed anyone. Well, maybe an old man with a dicky ticker
But if you consider yourself to be mentally ill then who am I to say that you are not
A woman I used to know in the sector once told me:
"We all have a touch of mental health - it just depends on how in touch you are with it."
And you believed that because a woman you knew in 'the sector' told you so
OK"Yeah, a woman with years more experience than, for example, you. So yes. I hope you or no-one near you suffers mental health problems and has to cope with prejudice. | |||
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"I don't think a nymphomaniac ever killed anyone. Well, maybe an old man with a dicky ticker
But if you consider yourself to be mentally ill then who am I to say that you are not
A woman I used to know in the sector once told me:
"We all have a touch of mental health - it just depends on how in touch you are with it."
And you believed that because a woman you knew in 'the sector' told you so
OK
Yeah, a woman with years more experience than, for example, you.
So yes.
I hope you or no-one near you suffers mental health problems and has to cope with prejudice. "What am I supposed to be prejudiced about? The fact that I won't be alone with someone with a mental illness. You need to read things properly and stop adding to what I wrote just to make yourself look righteous; I am not swallowing that PC sh*t Yeah, this woman with years more experience has just decreed that the entire world suffers from mental illness. So being a psychopath must be normal then | |||
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"Ironic that wider society considers everybody on this site to have some sort of mental disorder, because it encourages 'reckless' 'immoral' 'nymphomaniac' 'abnormal' sexual behaviour..indeed not so long ago - people were committed for doing what we do. So in effect you/we are 'one of them' And homosexual behaviour was seen as an offence until 1969 . You were either insane or so wrong that prison sentences were given for such immoral goings on ! Time moves on , attitudes change . Thankfully I do think we are all in a better place to live in today . We can exercise our right to choose what we will do and with whom . As long as no one is hurt , that surely has to be better , yes ?
Some peoples attitudes have moved on ,but,unfortunately like mental health suffers,some homosexuals are also not understood and treated terribly ,even by friends/family"there was a few threads awhile back about a certain conditions, awareness threads, good reading, in think I learnt something. Then a week or so later someome dared to question something regarding the illness and all hell broke lose, the people did the understanding of their condition no favours and as someone who used to promote mental illness on here as I'm a suffer that is the day i thought fuck it and couldnt care less. So who was it whom turned me against getting people to try and understand....it was suffers themselves | |||
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"I don't think a nymphomaniac ever killed anyone. Well, maybe an old man with a dicky ticker
But if you consider yourself to be mentally ill then who am I to say that you are not
A woman I used to know in the sector once told me:
"We all have a touch of mental health - it just depends on how in touch you are with it."
And you believed that because a woman you knew in 'the sector' told you so
OK
Yeah, a woman with years more experience than, for example, you.
So yes.
I hope you or no-one near you suffers mental health problems and has to cope with prejudice.
What am I supposed to be prejudiced about? The fact that I won't be alone with someone with a mental illness. You need to read things properly and stop adding to what I wrote just to make yourself look righteous; I am not swallowing that PC sh*t
Yeah, this woman with years more experience has just decreed that the entire world suffers from mental illness. So being a psychopath must be normal then""Only those who are insane have strength enough to prosper - only those who prosper truly judge what is sane." | |||
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"I don't think a nymphomaniac ever killed anyone. Well, maybe an old man with a dicky ticker
But if you consider yourself to be mentally ill then who am I to say that you are not
A woman I used to know in the sector once told me:
"We all have a touch of mental health - it just depends on how in touch you are with it."
And you believed that because a woman you knew in 'the sector' told you so
OK
Yeah, a woman with years more experience than, for example, you.
So yes.
I hope you or no-one near you suffers mental health problems and has to cope with prejudice.
What am I supposed to be prejudiced about? The fact that I won't be alone with someone with a mental illness. You need to read things properly and stop adding to what I wrote just to make yourself look righteous; I am not swallowing that PC sh*t
Yeah, this woman with years more experience has just decreed that the entire world suffers from mental illness. So being a psychopath must be normal then
"Only those who are insane have strength enough to prosper - only those who prosper truly judge what is sane."
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"I don't think a nymphomaniac ever killed anyone. Well, maybe an old man with a dicky ticker
But if you consider yourself to be mentally ill then who am I to say that you are not
A woman I used to know in the sector once told me:
"We all have a touch of mental health - it just depends on how in touch you are with it."
And you believed that because a woman you knew in 'the sector' told you so
OK
Yeah, a woman with years more experience than, for example, you.
So yes.
I hope you or no-one near you suffers mental health problems and has to cope with prejudice.
What am I supposed to be prejudiced about? The fact that I won't be alone with someone with a mental illness. You need to read things properly and stop adding to what I wrote just to make yourself look righteous; I am not swallowing that PC sh*t
Yeah, this woman with years more experience has just decreed that the entire world suffers from mental illness. So being a psychopath must be normal then
"Only those who are insane have strength enough to prosper - only those who prosper truly judge what is sane."
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"Sometimes it can be really hard to be around people with serious mental health issues, different conditions have different symptoms, and those symptoms can be very challenging to say the least. It's easy to judge someone for distancing themselves from someone with a personality disorder, and no, you wouldn't leave someone with say cancer to fight alone, but mental health issues are very different to physical health issues. There are certain aspects of personality disorders that make living with the sufferer nigh on impossible, violent mood swings, lies, cheating, stealing, controlling behaviour and so on and so forth. Some people genuinely do love that person enough to stay through the worst of times, some people just love to be the matr, but for some people, it comes down to a choice, between someone who can't help hurting you, and could possibly one day do some damage that you won't walk away from, and leaving and saving children and so on from becoming damaged by the inevitable tensions, that come from not knowing what mood they are going to be in from one moment to the next. I feel for people who have personality disorders, but some times you just have to give up and say "enough" enough stress, enough pain, and enough scars" | |||
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"In our lives we encounter various people with different personalities . Some are appealing , others not so much . With family it's a different criteria as to whether you want to spend time with them . Obviously you would put more time into family than you would a random person . So looking at a schizophrenic who isn't a family member , one has a choice to make . Is this person someone I want to spend time with ? Potential problems , how to cope with the disorder , make it a choice hard to make . Why bother when there are plenty of options to share time with people who don't suffer the disorder ? So if we know a casual acquaintance has schizophrenia why would we want to invest time in establishing a relationship with that person ? Upon doing research into the condition , all manner of problems may lie ahead . So personally , I wouldn't want to get involved given the choice . I truly don't think I would be able to offer anything helpful if they had an episode .
Gosh, you are brave to have written that. Politically incorrect but so true
Whilst I will not run for the hills if I meet someone with a mental illness, I would not want to be alone with them either
Why is it brave or politically incorrect?
Has it really come to pass that we can't state a rational, personal statement, without fear of being deemed "brave?"
Unfortunately, yes. Even asking someone to explain what their mental illness means is like walking on egg-shells
I quite recently had personal experience of just that
Now, I wouldn't even bother asking. For me, its just not worth the hassle of being labelled "insensitive"
Me too. And I'll now just avoid putting myself in that situation. If that means I don't pursue something with someone, well that person already has bigger things to worry about than me anyway.
Without wishing to sound insensitive being more concerned about YOURSELF than the person who's a bit mad is just silly.
The vast, vast majority of people with MH condition (and that 1 in 4 of us over a lifetime) could use more in the way of support and understanding than the typical reaction of
"Oh this one's mad, what will he/she do to me?!" .
I don't really give a fuck. If it's someone I already know and love then of course I care about them. If I don't then why make life difficult for myself, I have enough to deal with supporting those already in my life. It's not that I think they're going to harm me, it's just that I don't have to mental or caring capacity to deal with every person in that way. wow, just wow, other people have said they don't want to be around people with mental health issues on this thread without coming across as so vile and aggressive"Vile and aggressive? Excuse me? | |||
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"In our lives we encounter various people with different personalities . Some are appealing , others not so much . With family it's a different criteria as to whether you want to spend time with them . Obviously you would put more time into family than you would a random person . So looking at a schizophrenic who isn't a family member , one has a choice to make . Is this person someone I want to spend time with ? Potential problems , how to cope with the disorder , make it a choice hard to make . Why bother when there are plenty of options to share time with people who don't suffer the disorder ? So if we know a casual acquaintance has schizophrenia why would we want to invest time in establishing a relationship with that person ? Upon doing research into the condition , all manner of problems may lie ahead . So personally , I wouldn't want to get involved given the choice . I truly don't think I would be able to offer anything helpful if they had an episode .
Gosh, you are brave to have written that. Politically incorrect but so true
Whilst I will not run for the hills if I meet someone with a mental illness, I would not want to be alone with them either
Why is it brave or politically incorrect?
Has it really come to pass that we can't state a rational, personal statement, without fear of being deemed "brave?"
Unfortunately, yes. Even asking someone to explain what their mental illness means is like walking on egg-shells
I quite recently had personal experience of just that
Now, I wouldn't even bother asking. For me, its just not worth the hassle of being labelled "insensitive"
Me too. And I'll now just avoid putting myself in that situation. If that means I don't pursue something with someone, well that person already has bigger things to worry about than me anyway.
Without wishing to sound insensitive being more concerned about YOURSELF than the person who's a bit mad is just silly.
The vast, vast majority of people with MH condition (and that 1 in 4 of us over a lifetime) could use more in the way of support and understanding than the typical reaction of
"Oh this one's mad, what will he/she do to me?!" .
I don't really give a fuck. If it's someone I already know and love then of course I care about them. If I don't then why make life difficult for myself, I have enough to deal with supporting those already in my life. It's not that I think they're going to harm me, it's just that I don't have to mental or caring capacity to deal with every person in that way. wow, just wow, other people have said they don't want to be around people with mental health issues on this thread without coming across as so vile and aggressive
How is it vile and aggressive? She has said the same as other posters, just using different words.
I read it that she's just saying she can't support a stranger in that way, but it would be different for a family member/ friend. (Apologies Ruby if that's not what you meant.)
She said what I was thinking. I too sometimes am exasperated at how PC one has to be around here
Would anyone go linking arms with known Psychopath? And if not, then why not; after all, it only a mental illness and he too deserves understanding and sympathy. And I bet his family and friends give this to him. Me? you wouldn't see me for dust"Yeah that's pretty much a good summary Scarlet Stars. I don't feel I've been vile or aggressive in any way, just maybe expressed a view someone doesn't want to hear. I also wonder whether it occurs to anyone that the reason someone doesn't want to deal with all the hurt, pain, difficulty, drama and quite frankly BS that getting close to someone with a mental illness brings is because they're one of the 1 in 4 themselves. | |||
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"In our lives we encounter various people with different personalities . Some are appealing , others not so much . With family it's a different criteria as to whether you want to spend time with them . Obviously you would put more time into family than you would a random person . So looking at a schizophrenic who isn't a family member , one has a choice to make . Is this person someone I want to spend time with ? Potential problems , how to cope with the disorder , make it a choice hard to make . Why bother when there are plenty of options to share time with people who don't suffer the disorder ? So if we know a casual acquaintance has schizophrenia why would we want to invest time in establishing a relationship with that person ? Upon doing research into the condition , all manner of problems may lie ahead . So personally , I wouldn't want to get involved given the choice . I truly don't think I would be able to offer anything helpful if they had an episode .
Gosh, you are brave to have written that. Politically incorrect but so true
Whilst I will not run for the hills if I meet someone with a mental illness, I would not want to be alone with them either
Why is it brave or politically incorrect?
Has it really come to pass that we can't state a rational, personal statement, without fear of being deemed "brave?"
Unfortunately, yes. Even asking someone to explain what their mental illness means is like walking on egg-shells
I quite recently had personal experience of just that
Now, I wouldn't even bother asking. For me, its just not worth the hassle of being labelled "insensitive"
Me too. And I'll now just avoid putting myself in that situation. If that means I don't pursue something with someone, well that person already has bigger things to worry about than me anyway.
Without wishing to sound insensitive being more concerned about YOURSELF than the person who's a bit mad is just silly.
The vast, vast majority of people with MH condition (and that 1 in 4 of us over a lifetime) could use more in the way of support and understanding than the typical reaction of
"Oh this one's mad, what will he/she do to me?!" .
I don't really give a fuck. If it's someone I already know and love then of course I care about them. If I don't then why make life difficult for myself, I have enough to deal with supporting those already in my life. It's not that I think they're going to harm me, it's just that I don't have to mental or caring capacity to deal with every person in that way. wow, just wow, other people have said they don't want to be around people with mental health issues on this thread without coming across as so vile and aggressive
How is it vile and aggressive? She has said the same as other posters, just using different words.
I read it that she's just saying she can't support a stranger in that way, but it would be different for a family member/ friend. (Apologies Ruby if that's not what you meant.)
She said what I was thinking. I too sometimes am exasperated at how PC one has to be around here
Would anyone go linking arms with known Psychopath? And if not, then why not; after all, it only a mental illness and he too deserves understanding and sympathy. And I bet his family and friends give this to him. Me? you wouldn't see me for dust
Yeah that's pretty much a good summary Scarlet Stars. I don't feel I've been vile or aggressive in any way, just maybe expressed a view someone doesn't want to hear. I also wonder whether it occurs to anyone that the reason someone doesn't want to deal with all the hurt, pain, difficulty, drama and quite frankly BS that getting close to someone with a mental illness brings is because they're one of the 1 in 4 themselves."As far as I'm aware I don't have any mental health issues? A person I know who has MH issues is the reason I started the thread. Some of they're family has disowned them because, I believe the stigma of the word has frightened them and has no understanding of the illness. And I wanted to know what others thought about the illness. The person I'm talking about leads a perfectly normal life (best they can obviously) and you wouldn't know they had it, I certainly didn't know until they told me. I'm aware others have more severe symptoms and don't always take the medication etc. And can see why people wouldn't want to be involved with people with it. | |||
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"In our lives we encounter various people with different personalities . Some are appealing , others not so much . With family it's a different criteria as to whether you want to spend time with them . Obviously you would put more time into family than you would a random person . So looking at a schizophrenic who isn't a family member , one has a choice to make . Is this person someone I want to spend time with ? Potential problems , how to cope with the disorder , make it a choice hard to make . Why bother when there are plenty of options to share time with people who don't suffer the disorder ? So if we know a casual acquaintance has schizophrenia why would we want to invest time in establishing a relationship with that person ? Upon doing research into the condition , all manner of problems may lie ahead . So personally , I wouldn't want to get involved given the choice . I truly don't think I would be able to offer anything helpful if they had an episode .
Gosh, you are brave to have written that. Politically incorrect but so true
Whilst I will not run for the hills if I meet someone with a mental illness, I would not want to be alone with them either
Why is it brave or politically incorrect?
Has it really come to pass that we can't state a rational, personal statement, without fear of being deemed "brave?"
Unfortunately, yes. Even asking someone to explain what their mental illness means is like walking on egg-shells
I quite recently had personal experience of just that
Now, I wouldn't even bother asking. For me, its just not worth the hassle of being labelled "insensitive"
Me too. And I'll now just avoid putting myself in that situation. If that means I don't pursue something with someone, well that person already has bigger things to worry about than me anyway.
Without wishing to sound insensitive being more concerned about YOURSELF than the person who's a bit mad is just silly.
The vast, vast majority of people with MH condition (and that 1 in 4 of us over a lifetime) could use more in the way of support and understanding than the typical reaction of
"Oh this one's mad, what will he/she do to me?!" .
I don't really give a fuck. If it's someone I already know and love then of course I care about them. If I don't then why make life difficult for myself, I have enough to deal with supporting those already in my life. It's not that I think they're going to harm me, it's just that I don't have to mental or caring capacity to deal with every person in that way. wow, just wow, other people have said they don't want to be around people with mental health issues on this thread without coming across as so vile and aggressive
How is it vile and aggressive? She has said the same as other posters, just using different words.
I read it that she's just saying she can't support a stranger in that way, but it would be different for a family member/ friend. (Apologies Ruby if that's not what you meant.)
She said what I was thinking. I too sometimes am exasperated at how PC one has to be around here
Would anyone go linking arms with known Psychopath? And if not, then why not; after all, it only a mental illness and he too deserves understanding and sympathy. And I bet his family and friends give this to him. Me? you wouldn't see me for dust
Yeah that's pretty much a good summary Scarlet Stars. I don't feel I've been vile or aggressive in any way, just maybe expressed a view someone doesn't want to hear. I also wonder whether it occurs to anyone that the reason someone doesn't want to deal with all the hurt, pain, difficulty, drama and quite frankly BS that getting close to someone with a mental illness brings is because they're one of the 1 in 4 themselves.
As far as I'm aware I don't have any mental health issues?
A person I know who has MH issues is the reason I started the thread. Some of they're family has disowned them because, I believe the stigma of the word has frightened them and has no understanding of the illness. And I wanted to know what others thought about the illness.
The person I'm talking about leads a perfectly normal life (best they can obviously) and you wouldn't know they had it, I certainly didn't know until they told me.
I'm aware others have more severe symptoms and don't always take the medication etc. And can see why people wouldn't want to be involved with people with it.
"I meant me. And for the avoidance of doubt, nothing in any of my posts was referring to you, unless I've missed you also calling me vile and aggressive for stating an opinion which said I'd prioritise my own, and my family and friends mental health above some stranger. If I was a regular poster who rammed my issues down everyone's throat every other post and then I posted saying I needed to cut someone out of my life because they were causing me grief everyone would be all like "oh yeah Hun you do what you need to do". But because I'm not, because my life is none of any of your business, I'm apparently vile and aggressive, or insensitive or silly for suggesting that sometimes people might need to do just that. | |||
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