Join us FREE, we're FREE to use
Web's largest swingers site since 2006.
Already registered?
Login here
Back to forum list |
Back to The Lounge |
Jump to newest |
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"So I already know what's wrong with my car, need the lambda sensor replacing. I hate going under cars, unless on proper ramps, so today popped into 3 garages, to see how much to do it. Bare in mind the part is around 45-60 quid. Been quoted £180, £230 and £260, by these 3 garages. It's not even a 20 minute job. All 3 places tried to tell me there was more wrong with the car that needed doing for my own safety. There is nothing else wrong. I've had it on diognostics and been all over it. Fucking con artists!" Did all three tell you different things were wrong? I'm sure somebody posted a thread like this a while ago | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Always pays if you know someone. I'm fortunate I know a mechanic at work who does mine for a fraction of what it would cost going to a garage. Replaces and fits minor things like bulbs for free for me." I do that myself! | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"So I already know what's wrong with my car, need the lambda sensor replacing. I hate going under cars, unless on proper ramps, so today popped into 3 garages, to see how much to do it. Bare in mind the part is around 45-60 quid. Been quoted £180, £230 and £260, by these 3 garages. It's not even a 20 minute job. All 3 places tried to tell me there was more wrong with the car that needed doing for my own safety. There is nothing else wrong. I've had it on diognostics and been all over it. Fucking con artists! Did all three tell you different things were wrong? I'm sure somebody posted a thread like this a while ago " Yeah all different things and a load of waffle. 1 was blatantly trying to scare me saying these things need doing, you don't want your precious little 1 in an unsafe motor. Prick. I know my motors safe! | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"exhaust sensor modern cars are full of them, some sensors may need the computer to reset the system, as i believe eng man light if on will fail mot, also been told the car makers charge garages for the programmes for the computer this is then passed to customer" Disconnecting the battery resets my engine management light. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"So I already know what's wrong with my car, need the lambda sensor replacing. I hate going under cars, unless on proper ramps, so today popped into 3 garages, to see how much to do it. Bare in mind the part is around 45-60 quid. Been quoted £180, £230 and £260, by these 3 garages. It's not even a 20 minute job. All 3 places tried to tell me there was more wrong with the car that needed doing for my own safety. There is nothing else wrong. I've had it on diognostics and been all over it. Fucking con artists!" ah well.. get the ramps out | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"So I already know what's wrong with my car, need the lambda sensor replacing. I hate going under cars, unless on proper ramps, so today popped into 3 garages, to see how much to do it. Bare in mind the part is around 45-60 quid. Been quoted £180, £230 and £260, by these 3 garages. It's not even a 20 minute job. All 3 places tried to tell me there was more wrong with the car that needed doing for my own safety. There is nothing else wrong. I've had it on diognostics and been all over it. Fucking con artists! Did all three tell you different things were wrong? I'm sure somebody posted a thread like this a while ago Yeah all different things and a load of waffle. 1 was blatantly trying to scare me saying these things need doing, you don't want your precious little 1 in an unsafe motor. Prick. I know my motors safe! " They try it on with women. I can understand you not wanting to go under it jacked up. Hope you find someone to do it. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"So I already know what's wrong with my car, need the lambda sensor replacing. I hate going under cars, unless on proper ramps, so today popped into 3 garages, to see how much to do it. Bare in mind the part is around 45-60 quid. Been quoted £180, £230 and £260, by these 3 garages. It's not even a 20 minute job. All 3 places tried to tell me there was more wrong with the car that needed doing for my own safety. There is nothing else wrong. I've had it on diognostics and been all over it. Fucking con artists! Did all three tell you different things were wrong? I'm sure somebody posted a thread like this a while ago Yeah all different things and a load of waffle. 1 was blatantly trying to scare me saying these things need doing, you don't want your precious little 1 in an unsafe motor. Prick. I know my motors safe! " Pisses me off when a garage thinks they can get away with scaring people into being fleeced. A lamda sensor measures the oxygen content in the exhaust and uses the values to tune the engine to keep emissions down. Without it the computer will just go 'open loop' where it calculates an approximate oxygen content from all the other sensor information. At worst you might burn a bit more fuel and fail emissions. If you can get to it easily it's a ten minute job to replace. The ECU might still keep the fault code in its log but it should just pick up the new readings and carry on. There's not much more valuable in life than finding a mechanic you trust. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Most cars have two lambda sensors. One in the manifiold and one at the catalyst. Most have too small a head on the probe to get a spanner on so require a special socket that goes over the leads. Depending on the car the multi-plug for the probe may well be slightly harder to get at. Some VW's for example require the undertray to be removed and then it is hidden in a plastic box. If the fault remains in the memory, it requires the fault to be removed using our expensive bits of diagnostic equipment. I don't hold with ripping people off. But for all the tools I need to do my job I have shelled out £Thousands." The cost of tools is no excuse for conjuring up imaginary faults to charge me a stupid amount for. Iv no problem with paying a decent rate, parts and VAT. My problem is their lack of ethics and morals. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"So I already know what's wrong with my car, need the lambda sensor replacing. I hate going under cars, unless on proper ramps, so today popped into 3 garages, to see how much to do it. Bare in mind the part is around 45-60 quid. Been quoted £180, £230 and £260, by these 3 garages. It's not even a 20 minute job. All 3 places tried to tell me there was more wrong with the car that needed doing for my own safety. There is nothing else wrong. I've had it on diognostics and been all over it. Fucking con artists! Did all three tell you different things were wrong? I'm sure somebody posted a thread like this a while ago Yeah all different things and a load of waffle. 1 was blatantly trying to scare me saying these things need doing, you don't want your precious little 1 in an unsafe motor. Prick. I know my motors safe! They try it on with women. I can understand you not wanting to go under it jacked up. Hope you find someone to do it." they try it on with men too. They failed the mot on dodgy wheel bearings. I jacked up car and they were fine. Took it to another garage and it passed | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"When I have cause to go to a garage I don't normally use,,I tend to stay and watch..any discrepancy and my inspector card comes out. " You evil bugger lol. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" It of a long shot Is there a DIY garage nearby, they supply the tools and parts, (if needed), you supply the Labour." Not that I know of, would be great! I can raid my brothers tools, but a safe place to work is what I'm lacking. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"my heart bleeds. ha ha ha" And the award for pointless Unnecessary comment of the day award goes to... | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'll fix it for you I'm sure we can arrange monthly payments " Thanks, but I'll stick to plan A which was do it myself. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'll fix it for you I'm sure we can arrange monthly payments Thanks, but I'll stick to plan A which was do it myself. " So you should , we don't use garages don't trust them . Get it done | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"exhaust sensor modern cars are full of them, some sensors may need the computer to reset the system, as i believe eng man light if on will fail mot, also been told the car makers charge garages for the programmes for the computer this is then passed to customer Disconnecting the battery resets my engine management light. " Going to try that, £80 I have been charged for that privilege and the fault not fixed...I want a car with no computer management...grrrrrr. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The fault code is just that, a decent mechanic ( not just a fitter) should use it as a guide to the cause not symptom. Eg lambda sensors do burn out over time but using a crap oil or lack of servicing accelerates that process. So meny people could avoid problems but it's not fashionable to so it seems." The car is x plate. Bloody good condition for age, but things like this to be expected. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"One of the biggest beefs I had with mechanics was the time they used to charge for some jobs. I had an ICME manual that gave the times for pretty much every job on every car. So if I thought something was being over charged I would look it up. For example the mechanic would have charged me for say 3 hrs but the book would say 1.5 hrs. When questioned he would say something like "oh we've never done one of those before so it took longer". To which I would reply "It's not up to me to pay for your education" and I paid for 1.5 hrs." 'Book' times are all very good on a brand spanking new car, With no seized bolts or no rusted bolts rounded off. Get one rounded off seized bolt and that can add 2 hours to a job. A sensible competent mechanic won't quote a price on old cars for this reason. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"One of the biggest beefs I had with mechanics was the time they used to charge for some jobs. I had an ICME manual that gave the times for pretty much every job on every car. So if I thought something was being over charged I would look it up. For example the mechanic would have charged me for say 3 hrs but the book would say 1.5 hrs. When questioned he would say something like "oh we've never done one of those before so it took longer". To which I would reply "It's not up to me to pay for your education" and I paid for 1.5 hrs." Just curious did you ever time yourself against those jobs? The reason I ask is they are a guide and the ones I read were laughably missing ageing, damage or corrosion. Also the one I read seemed to be written for LHD cars, so some parts under the dash are blocked by the steering column for example. Like a cabin filter on a Fiat 500/Ford Ka I can't comment on your specifics but sometimes customers have been watching a little too much wheeler dealers and think we're out to rip them off as they've seen it on youtube | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
". The cost of tools is no excuse for conjuring up imaginary faults to charge me a stupid amount for. Iv no problem with paying a decent rate, parts and VAT. My problem is their lack of ethics and morals." I totally agree there, There are always bad pennys in every industry sadly. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Nearly as expensive as bicycle mechanics " What? Do these really exist or is that a joke? Everyone ( girls included) used to have to ruin 2 spoons to fix a puncture back as a kid. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"So I already know what's wrong with my car, need the lambda sensor replacing. I hate going under cars, unless on proper ramps, so today popped into 3 garages, to see how much to do it. Bare in mind the part is around 45-60 quid. Been quoted £180, £230 and £260, by these 3 garages. It's not even a 20 minute job. All 3 places tried to tell me there was more wrong with the car that needed doing for my own safety. There is nothing else wrong. I've had it on diognostics and been all over it. Fucking con artists! Did all three tell you different things were wrong? I'm sure somebody posted a thread like this a while ago Yeah all different things and a load of waffle. 1 was blatantly trying to scare me saying these things need doing, you don't want your precious little 1 in an unsafe motor. Prick. I know my motors safe! " I'm afraid that's how the world is. Can't win them all...... how much single guys pay to enter springs to mind. I feel your pain. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"One of the biggest beefs I had with mechanics was the time they used to charge for some jobs. I had an ICME manual that gave the times for pretty much every job on every car. So if I thought something was being over charged I would look it up. For example the mechanic would have charged me for say 3 hrs but the book would say 1.5 hrs. When questioned he would say something like "oh we've never done one of those before so it took longer". To which I would reply "It's not up to me to pay for your education" and I paid for 1.5 hrs. Just curious did you ever time yourself against those jobs? The reason I ask is they are a guide and the ones I read were laughably missing ageing, damage or corrosion. Also the one I read seemed to be written for LHD cars, so some parts under the dash are blocked by the steering column for example. Like a cabin filter on a Fiat 500/Ford Ka I can't comment on your specifics but sometimes customers have been watching a little too much wheeler dealers and think we're out to rip them off as they've seen it on youtube " I has 25 years selling cars, mostly under 5 years old so hardly rusty old crap. When they told me that the was sometimes a seized up bolt or whatever I would maybe scowl a bit but accept it. But when told that it took longer because "they had never done that job before" I didn't see why I should have to pay for their lack of experience. While it wasn't a very common occurrence it did happen a little too often for my liking, and I'm not just talking about one particular mechanic. In 25 years I used quite a few. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"exhaust sensor modern cars are full of them, some sensors may need the computer to reset the system, as i believe eng man light if on will fail mot, also been told the car makers charge garages for the programmes for the computer this is then passed to customer Disconnecting the battery resets my engine management light. Going to try that, £80 I have been charged for that privilege and the fault not fixed...I want a car with no computer management...grrrrrr. " The mod cons of today great when they work, but more to go wrong my dad had a morris minor and traveler Along with other cars of that period and thou good cars most of the time I Can often remember the bonnet up with Steam comeing out or something else was wrong .. a fan belt would go etc but none of this IT business to make things more complicated and a money spinner for the garages, it seems the more you spend nowdays the more there is to go wrong. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"exhaust sensor modern cars are full of them, some sensors may need the computer to reset the system, as i believe eng man light if on will fail mot, also been told the car makers charge garages for the programmes for the computer this is then passed to customer Disconnecting the battery resets my engine management light. Going to try that, £80 I have been charged for that privilege and the fault not fixed...I want a car with no computer management...grrrrrr. The mod cons of today great when they work, but more to go wrong my dad had a morris minor and traveler Along with other cars of that period and thou good cars most of the time I Can often remember the bonnet up with Steam comeing out or something else was wrong .. a fan belt would go etc but none of this IT business to make things more complicated and a money spinner for the garages, it seems the more you spend nowdays the more there is to go wrong." This is why I like older cars! | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" The mod cons of today great when they work, but more to go wrong my dad had a morris minor and traveler Along with other cars of that period and thou good cars most of the time I Can often remember the bonnet up with Steam comeing out or something else was wrong .. a fan belt would go etc but none of this IT business to make things more complicated and a money spinner for the garages, it seems the more you spend nowdays the more there is to go wrong." A moneyspinner for main dealers certainly. By and large a new car is considerably cheaper by comparison to even 10 years ago. You don't think they were going to lose money? They make it up in the workshop. Sadly it means independents like us have to invest in more and more expensive equipment to keep up to date. For instance the batteries in a lot of your modern cars with stop/start use a more advanced battery. Some now require programming into the car (another £300 piece of kit) and are hidden in the depths requiring an hours labour to change. When we turn round and say that will be £200 to supply and fit a battery for a family car, the public think we are ripping them off. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Nearly as expensive as bicycle mechanics What? Do these really exist or is that a joke? Everyone ( girls included) used to have to ruin 2 spoons to fix a puncture back as a kid. " checkout hallfords web site for prices I'd hate to ask how much it would cost to fix electronic gears on me racer | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Depends which lambda it is (pre or post cat), either way it's a simple enough job unless you buy a pattern part and the wiring needs to be altered (usually simple). If you were closer I'd have said to pop it round to me at the weekend and I'll do it." It's post cat, so hoping it's not rusty and welded itself on! | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"So I already know what's wrong with my car, need the lambda sensor replacing. I hate going under cars, unless on proper ramps, so today popped into 3 garages, to see how much to do it. Bare in mind the part is around 45-60 quid. Been quoted £180, £230 and £260, by these 3 garages. It's not even a 20 minute job. All 3 places tried to tell me there was more wrong with the car that needed doing for my own safety. There is nothing else wrong. I've had it on diognostics and been all over it. Fucking con artists!" This is why I stick to my trusted old Land Rover...basic,but easy to work on...and it's worth more now than what I paid for it..win win win | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Depends which lambda it is (pre or post cat), either way it's a simple enough job unless you buy a pattern part and the wiring needs to be altered (usually simple). If you were closer I'd have said to pop it round to me at the weekend and I'll do it. It's post cat, so hoping it's not rusty and welded itself on! " Liberal application of Plusgas (not WD4) 24hrs before and keep a blow torch handy and it'll come free. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Big wrench. And some choice swear words... " Doesn't look like a lot of manoeuvring room for that, and I'd like to avoid the blow torch! | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Big wrench. And some choice swear words... Doesn't look like a lot of manoeuvring room for that, and I'd like to avoid the blow torch!" You'll be wanting the tool of infinite persuasion then... A hammer! | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"If you were close I'd do it for you. Trade price for lambda sensors are around 22 quid..depending where you go...x" Not always, trade price for my car was an eye watering £117+vat!! Nearly puked! | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"If you were close I'd do it for you. Trade price for lambda sensors are around 22 quid..depending where you go...x Not always, trade price for my car was an eye watering £117+vat!! Nearly puked! " I'm guessing that £22 was for a non-genuine part. They're the ones you have to cut the wiring plug off and solder directly to the loom only to find the voltages don't read properly and you then have to shell out again for a genuine part and fixing the wiring. When it comes to sensors in cars the old rule of 'buy cheap, buy twice' most definitely still applies. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"exhaust sensor modern cars are full of them, some sensors may need the computer to reset the system, as i believe eng man light if on will fail mot, also been told the car makers charge garages for the programmes for the computer this is then passed to customer Disconnecting the battery resets my engine management light. Going to try that, £80 I have been charged for that privilege and the fault not fixed...I want a car with no computer management...grrrrrr. The mod cons of today great when they work, but more to go wrong my dad had a morris minor and traveler Along with other cars of that period and thou good cars most of the time I Can often remember the bonnet up with Steam comeing out or something else was wrong .. a fan belt would go etc but none of this IT business to make things more complicated and a money spinner for the garages, it seems the more you spend nowdays the more there is to go wrong. This is why I like older cars!" . I love older cars, there's something that's just oddly attractive about them. However anyone that's ever stood behind an old escort when you've fired her up.... Jesus the stench is horrendous! | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" However anyone that's ever stood behind an old escort when you've fired her up.... Jesus the stench is horrendous! " Are we still talking cars here? | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" However anyone that's ever stood behind an old escort when you've fired her up.... Jesus the stench is horrendous! Are we still talking cars here? " . I'm one of those weirdos that laugh at there own jokes | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"If you need a hand Give me a shout Thankyou! " I'm just pleased you can do your own repairs, unlike some Men and woman, who can just about adjust the interio Mirror | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"exhaust sensor modern cars are full of them, some sensors may need the computer to reset the system, as i believe eng man light if on will fail mot, also been told the car makers charge garages for the programmes for the computer this is then passed to customer Disconnecting the battery resets my engine management light. Going to try that, £80 I have been charged for that privilege and the fault not fixed...I want a car with no computer management...grrrrrr. The mod cons of today great when they work, but more to go wrong my dad had a morris minor and traveler Along with other cars of that period and thou good cars most of the time I Can often remember the bonnet up with Steam comeing out or something else was wrong .. a fan belt would go etc but none of this IT business to make things more complicated and a money spinner for the garages, it seems the more you spend nowdays the more there is to go wrong. This is why I like older cars!. I love older cars, there's something that's just oddly attractive about them. However anyone that's ever stood behind an old escort when you've fired her up.... Jesus the stench is horrendous! " Disconnecting the battery clears nothing. The fault codes will still be stored in the ECU until they're deleted. The most likely reason your engine light has gone out is that whatever caused it in the first place was simply a 'blip' caused by any number of things. On most makes of cars the light will go out by itself after a predetermined number of fault free starts (the fault will, however be stored). | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
Post new Message to Thread |
back to top |