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Erg valves on scirocco

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By *unlovers OP   Couple
over a year ago

rotherham

Does anyone know anything about these

Just took my car to dealers and been quoted 1630

Don't fookin think so

Anyone know if I'm getting my pants pulled down

All this cos I have a couple of warning lights in the car

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Egr calves can usually be cleaned out with petrol and carb cleaner.

If not just blank it off and use a code reader to switch off the eml light. (as a vw owner presumably the eml light is constantly anyway!)

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By *unlovers OP   Couple
over a year ago

rotherham

I took the Darin cos I have two warning lights on

One is the engine management light and the other a flashing glow light thing and it's losing power

Not happy with quote

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By *w214Couple
over a year ago

Wirral

Cleaned one from a clio before. Easy enough depending upon location. Have a look on YouTube first, then Google the VW forums.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You will lose power with a faulty egr. Just looked on euro car parts, they are £140 approx so yes you are getting screwed (but not in a good way!).

I brought a obd2 reader from ebay for about £7 which allows you to check codes and reset the lights. If your stuck pm me and I can do the job for you (I live in Ashby de la zouch) so a bit of a drive but will save you £££'s. Chris

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By *unlovers OP   Couple
over a year ago

rotherham

They have just phoned me back saying they want to change the whole system saying all,pipes are blocked as well. And it will be 9'hoirs labour

Is this right???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If that's the case then just blank the egr off. All they do is recycle exhaust gas back into the inlet manifold. Waste of time done to reduce emissions (not something vw are famed for haha). Most cars run better without them and they can be blanked for a few quid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And even with new pies etc they are taking the piss!

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By *unlovers OP   Couple
over a year ago

rotherham

I'm under pressure right now as they awaiting my call to go ahead with the work and hubby is on line trying to find a cheaper solution

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Go straight to ebay, buy an "egr blanking plate" for about £4.,very simple to fit.

Then buy an "obd2" reader for around £8 which will allow you to clear the lights on dash. Vw's leave the factory with dash lights on so wouldn't worry too much.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have blanked the egr on my last 4 diesel cars and never had an issue and mpg usually improves as well. Most people blank the egr as they are a pain in the a**e

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

If the car is running it can wait until you get more information. Use an excuse that you will book it in later.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also most egr valves are now electronic, my mondeo one was disabled by simply disconnecting the wire leading to it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The engine light will still come on after time you need a cheater I had a vz220 same problem removed the valve and blanked it off then fitted a cheater to the wiring which tells the engine management it's still on and working so no dash light.

Try joining a VW forum and research them it's not expensive mine was a tenner.

Good luck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The engine light will still come on after time you need a cheater I had a vz220 same problem removed the valve and blanked it off then fitted a cheater to the wiring which tells the engine management it's still on and working so no dash light.

Try joining a VW forum and research them it's not expensive mine was a tenner.

Good luck"

I just use the obd reader to turn the light off every month or so, and make sure no other faults have cropped up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are you having your pants pulled down?

You're having them pulled down, then been given a right good dry rodgering and not even getting a reach around

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are you having your pants pulled down?

You're having them pulled down, then been given a right good dry rodgering and not even getting a reach around

"

Indeed, less than £10 to fix this bu blanking it, £150 to fix by replacing the part or £0 to fix if you just disconnect the piece of shite. Its just emission control, not something VW are known for doing properly.

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By *unlovers OP   Couple
over a year ago

rotherham

New turbo replacement apparantly now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As an ex HGV fitter I wouldn't blank the thing off. When you get to your MOT it will quite likely fail on emissions, the engine ECU is set up to take certain readings and operate accordingly and you will also most certainly damage your catalytic converter and that is like mega pounds.

either get a local garage to clean that one out and reset the lights (2 hours tops) or go to a website called 'Parts Gateway' and buy a second hand unit. Ask for a cleaned one and replace the EGR valve yourself. Its not a big job but you will need to get the lights reset. Or get a local garage to fit your s/h valve.

Your choice. £4 now and some messing with warning lights forever after or get a proper repair done. But £1600 is extracting the Michael but that is what Main Dealers do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"New turbo replacement apparantly now"

Take the car back and get onto the vw forums. I'm a ford man myself so not hugely knowledgeable on the vw but if it does need a turbo then recon ones are a lot cheaper (euro car parts sell recons). Cant see why they would tell you its the egr if its the turbo, they wouldn't show the same code on the scanner.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"New turbo replacement apparantly now"

Well that will probably be because the ECU is now fuelling wrong because of the EGR valve. Don't get conned and take the car away ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As an ex HGV fitter I wouldn't blank the thing off. When you get to your MOT it will quite likely fail on emissions, the engine ECU is set up to take certain readings and operate accordingly and you will also most certainly damage your catalytic converter and that is like mega pounds.

either get a local garage to clean that one out and reset the lights (2 hours tops) or go to a website called 'Parts Gateway' and buy a second hand unit. Ask for a cleaned one and replace the EGR valve yourself. Its not a big job but you will need to get the lights reset. Or get a local garage to fit your s/h valve.

Your choice. £4 now and some messing with warning lights forever after or get a proper repair done. But £1600 is extracting the Michael but that is what Main Dealers do."

On modern diesels there are so many airflow sensors and ecu adjustments I have never had an issue with damaged cats or high engine temps etc through egr blanking.

The light reset can be done easily and cheaply with a £7 obd reader. Never had an issue with mot test either, got a mondeo with 220k on the clock and a blanked egr from 72k, has passed with flying colours everytime on emissions. Agree though, do the job properly, clean it out with carb cleaner and then its good to go, if needed buy a new valve, £140 from euro car parts is a big difference from £1600

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hi, you will need to clean the pipes as they will be blocked with gunge, find a small family run garage maybe someone can recommend and go from there. Jim

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If your not mechanical minded...

Ignore the advice of doing it yourself, you'll more than likely get stuck with it in bits or do more damage!.

I'd be more tempted to get another quote from a small garage, and try and get one recommended by some friends!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php/118589-EGR-valve-removal

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By *unlovers OP   Couple
over a year ago

rotherham

Going back to be right now to collect my car back but have to pay the seventy quid with is being on diagnostics

Booked in somewhere else on Monday

Thanx for all your advice peeps

Fingers crossed it's sorted soon

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By *izzy.Woman
over a year ago

Stoke area

Hope you get it fixed cheaper elsewhere. I don't understand a dam thing you all been talking about.....but just wanted to say I love scirocco's

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By *unlovers OP   Couple
over a year ago

rotherham

Wanna buy one??.

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By *ayercakeMan
over a year ago

Gateshead


"Going back to be right now to collect my car back but have to pay the seventy quid with is being on diagnostics

Booked in somewhere else on Monday

Thanx for all your advice peeps

Fingers crossed it's sorted soon"

Get an obd2 reader from e-bay and use it yourself to read codes, saves a garage ripping you off when you know what is wrong before you take it in

I have a Porsche and use an obd2 reader myself to read codes and reset warning lights, cost £8 off e-bay, cheaper than the £70 VW charged you

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By *izzy.Woman
over a year ago

Stoke area


"Wanna buy one??."

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Sadly not. I got a newish Volvo and a camper van already. I had an old model in about 1986. Loved it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the EGR is jammed shut (they often are) you won't loose any power, you'll actually gained a little as the engine is no longer sucking in exhaust gas.

It takes 20 minutes to remove, clean and refit one with carb cleaner spray. You'll find it on the inlet manifold. Chances are your map sensor will be covered in soot too and that's where you'll be loosing power as it can read the pressure in the manifold.

Good advice about getting a blanking plate, it's about the best thing you can do with a modern diesel. However, to get rid of the EML light you will need to have the EGR deleted from the engine map, which will cost around £150 at a VW tuner.

The other light is probably due to the EGR too as it's supposedly and emissions component even though it actually makes the car less efficient and dirtier.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I should also add a couple of other points.

An OBD2 reader will only turn the light off for a short time, as soon as the ECU requests EGR activation and it doesn't get any, the light will come back on.

Don't even think about buying a non-genuine EGR, in 99% of cases they don't work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I should also add a couple of other points.

An OBD2 reader will only turn the light off for a short time, as soon as the ECU requests EGR activation and it doesn't get any, the light will come back on.

Don't even think about buying a non-genuine EGR, in 99% of cases they don't work."

People! The car god has spoken!

Nothing more needs saying!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Buy a 1972 Beetle - none of that malarkey going on there - No need for code readers or anything fancy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Once you've told the Stealer

"No thanks" take your car to either an independant garage you trust or a VW specialist. There'll be plenty due to the sheer number of VW's with faults.

Once you've got 2 or 3 quotes go ahead with the solution you like.

Now once you've done that sell it and get a petro.....

Sorry should say keep absolutely on top of oil changes with a top spec 504/507 spec oil, and use good quality fuel from Shell or BP etc with high quality detergents in it.

And regularly use lower gears to keep speed down but Exhaust Gas flow and temps up to prevent it from happening again - which it will.

Sort of makes a mockery of Rudolph Diesel's idea of simple dependability mixed with good fuel economy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem with your egr valve is its located at the back of the engine so you have to remove the dpf and turbo to get at it, meaning a lot of hours in labour and broken parts removing it,plus the egr itself is not like what most people have seen on there car, it has all sorts of pipes and sensors on it (so it's expensive) all euro 6 cars pretty much have the same setup now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As you can tell I hate modern diesel engines. And VW's.....

Far, far too complicated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had the same problem on a few of my cars, on the first blanked off the EGR as it was bolted on by two bolts and twisted it around, so the Ecu still thought it was functioning as normal, on the second car (different engine) it was bolted down with three bolts so your unable to twist it around and had the MIL constantly on, but it knocked out (fuel trim) and other codes too, so just ended up buying a new EGR, worth a clean and see what happens, as for blanking EGR it's great for some cars and not so great for others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The problem with your egr valve is its located at the back of the engine so you have to remove the dpf and turbo to get at it, meaning a lot of hours in labour and broken parts removing it,plus the egr itself is not like what most people have seen on there car, it has all sorts of pipes and sensors on it (so it's expensive) all euro 6 cars pretty much have the same setup now."

Its on the inlet manifold t the top of the engine. 6 bolts and its off!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The problem with your egr valve is its located at the back of the engine so you have to remove the dpf and turbo to get at it, meaning a lot of hours in labour and broken parts removing it,plus the egr itself is not like what most people have seen on there car, it has all sorts of pipes and sensors on it (so it's expensive) all euro 6 cars pretty much have the same setup now.

Its on the inlet manifold t the top of the engine. 6 bolts and its off!"

Almost like they knew it'd go tits west so made it easier to fix..

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington


"The problem with your egr valve is its located at the back of the engine so you have to remove the dpf and turbo to get at it, meaning a lot of hours in labour and broken parts removing it,plus the egr itself is not like what most people have seen on there car, it has all sorts of pipes and sensors on it (so it's expensive) all euro 6 cars pretty much have the same setup now.

Its on the inlet manifold t the top of the engine. 6 bolts and its off!"

I re read the first post in a cockney accent and it all made sense.

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By *unlovers OP   Couple
over a year ago

rotherham

Well when I eventually get it sorted I'm thinking of selling but have no idea what to go for next

People keep recommending a little Mercedes silk 250

My head hurts

Again thanx for all the comments for my first post

I,ll let you know what happens when I take it to the local garage on Monday

Xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

stay clear of vauxhall, mercs are good CLK 350 coupe and you can't go wrong with ford

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By *im himCouple (MM)
over a year ago

bedworth

I went the whole hog with my Alfa . Had it remapped with EGR deleat . The difference it made was amazing ! No more EGR problems , bhp increase from 210 to 260 , more mpg to . I love it but saying that , I'm back to petrol for my next car . Diesels are way to expensive to repair . If I was to add up how much i'v spent it cheeper to have a petrol . Must say I have had no problems since remap and that was over three years ago .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I went the whole hog with my Alfa . Had it remapped with EGR deleat . The difference it made was amazing ! No more EGR problems , bhp increase from 210 to 260 , more mpg to . I love it but saying that , I'm back to petrol for my next car . Diesels are way to expensive to repair . If I was to add up how much i'v spent it cheeper to have a petrol . Must say I have had no problems since remap and that was over three years ago . "

Sounds like you have a 2.4 20v. Lovely diesel engine that. Next thing you want to look into is having the swirl flaps removed from the inlet manifold, you'll have total reliability then.

My GT 1.9 has had the EGR deleted and I've totally removed it and all the cooler system too. I've fitted a welded inlet manifold with no swirl flaps, hybrid turbo, fmic, GTA clutch and flywheel, oil breather mods and a few other tweeks. Currently running 210bhp but more importantly 405lbs of torque...

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By *im himCouple (MM)
over a year ago

bedworth


"I went the whole hog with my Alfa . Had it remapped with EGR deleat . The difference it made was amazing ! No more EGR problems , bhp increase from 210 to 260 , more mpg to . I love it but saying that , I'm back to petrol for my next car . Diesels are way to expensive to repair . If I was to add up how much i'v spent it cheeper to have a petrol . Must say I have had no problems since remap and that was over three years ago .

Sounds like you have a 2.4 20v. Lovely diesel engine that. Next thing you want to look into is having the swirl flaps removed from the inlet manifold, you'll have total reliability then.

My GT 1.9 has had the EGR deleted and I've totally removed it and all the cooler system too. I've fitted a welded inlet manifold with no swirl flaps, hybrid turbo, fmic, GTA clutch and flywheel, oil breather mods and a few other tweeks. Currently running 210bhp but more importantly 405lbs of torque... "

Was going to message you privately but I carn't as you have blocked all males

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is my cynicism showing about the complexity of modern cars yet??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

MrWho can you message me regarding 1.9 Cdti swirl flaps? Have a question about testing them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As you can tell I hate modern diesel engines. And VW's.....

Far, far too complicated."

I was on part of my MAster Tech course at Scania near Coalville and they showed a video of the (then) current 420 HP engine in the R series. Scania hadn't gone over to 'Blue' yet but they proved that without all the emission systems, EGR, Multiple injections per stroke (did I just say that on a Swinging site?) and all the other stuff that 420 would actually put out over 650 HP and use half the fuel. SO basically we are burning more diesel to keep emissions down... Utter madness...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As you can tell I hate modern diesel engines. And VW's.....

Far, far too complicated.

I was on part of my MAster Tech course at Scania near Coalville and they showed a video of the (then) current 420 HP engine in the R series. Scania hadn't gone over to 'Blue' yet but they proved that without all the emission systems, EGR, Multiple injections per stroke (did I just say that on a Swinging site?) and all the other stuff that 420 would actually put out over 650 HP and use half the fuel. SO basically we are burning more diesel to keep emissions down... Utter madness... "

It's all about restricting airflow and an engine is just an air pump. Remove the restrictions and feed it clean air and it'll work perfectly and in the long term much cleaner.

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By *unlovers OP   Couple
over a year ago

rotherham

Are we still talking about scirocco .s

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are we still talking about scirocco .s"

Egr valves and swirl flaps affect all modern diesels in the same way. BMW's are particularly prone to swirl flap failure to the point of destroying the engine. Deleting and blanking the EGR goes a long way to stopping problems. A tuner will do it for £100 - £200 and its simply the best thing you can do for your car.

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