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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Forgive me if I ramble. I heard this morning that Tyson Fury had been reported to the police for making homophobic comments.

Now I have a slightly skewed moral compass, but I do not like anybody picking on anybody for whatever reason,yes I was bullied at school .

But it got me thinking that as a closet bi chap (to paraphrase Fagan from Oliver, you've got to suck a cock or two),I sometimes hear jokey comments about gays and think actually that's personally offensive, but it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Question is, does that mean I'm not easily offended, I'm not gay or I've no social concious, the daft thing is that I would stand up and support anybody being abused, but I do think sometimes people complain just to make a big deal of things, and are they truthfully that offended.

As I say, just my rambling thoughts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I suppose it depends not only on the content of the comment, but the tone, intent and context of it too.

I am always wary of anything in print (havent seen or heard the tyson fury thing) as you are not only subject to the writers spin on the quote but your state of mind as you read it.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I don't see a lot of anti bisexuality except on here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whenever things are said I look at the context of how they were said, and can then decide whether it was meant offensively or jokingly.

I have received abuse for my sexual preferences, racial abuse because of where I'm from. Sometimes it really gets me going and mad, other times I just think what a complete dick the person is for saying it, and if I know they are joking I will share the joke.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I suppose it depends not only on the content of the comment, but the tone, intent and context of it too.

I am always wary of anything in print (havent seen or heard the tyson fury thing) as you are not only subject to the writers spin on the quote but your state of mind as you read it."

I often think that people react for the sake of reacting, that just gives extra milage to what people are spouting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everyone has a different tolerance level. I think we all have the right to speak up when we are hurt or offended.

I'm easily able to brush off any weight related comments yet anything about my hearing aid (on the odd chance I wear it) really quite upsets. Funny old things really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are more than plenty homophobic bi-sexual guys on this site.....

But they've all got an excuse why their profiles claim they are straight ...

But here's the thing.....

Excuses are not reasons....!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find those that protest the most about being gay/bi are usually those who are most unsure of their own sexuality.

Hmm protest a little too much me thinks!

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

If it's one thing I can't *stand*, it's intolerance!

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

If something exists there will be somebody who says the bible or other religious book of choice or none says it's wrong. If there's a thing somebody will be anti that thing. I like to pick my battles.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Fury's comments came a couple of days ago and have now been referred to the cops as a hate crime:

"Boxer Tyson Fury has spoken out on his views about women and gay people, as a petition calling for his removal from the BBC's Sports Personality of the Year shortlist reaches 80,000 names.

Fury has been quoted as saying a woman's "best place is on her back" and criticised homosexuality and abortion."

Tbf - he's better known for beating the shit of out sweaty, semi-naked men rather than his well-considered views on politics, philosophy, economics... or social issues.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If there's a thing somebody will be anti that thing."

True. Sad but true.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

However,

"I'm not sexist. I believe a woman's best place is in the kitchen and on her back. That's my personal belief. Making me a good cup of tea, that's what I believe."

And

He has also drawn criticism for saying that fellow SPOTY nominee Jessica Ennis-Hill "slaps up well".

And

"I love my women and what I said goes for my wife alone. She knows her place, I know her place. That's our culture of people.

"That's nothing to do with the world or anybody else and if I was a normal person, I wasn't in the spotlight, no-one would be making a scene about what I say to my wife."

And

The new world champion has also previously said it would only take the legalisation of paedophilia in addition to the decriminalisation of homosexuality and abortion to see "the devil come home".

In an interview he said: "There are only three things that need to be accomplished before the devil comes home: one of them is homosexuality being legal in countries, one of them is abortion and the other one's paedophilia.

"Who would have thought in the '50s and '60s that those first two would be legalised?"

In conversation with Jeremy Vine, he sought to clarify his comments by saying: "Let's not try and make me out to be some evil person and I hate gays because I don't hate anybody. I can actually say I don't hate anybody."

The man is clearly a moron

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"The man is clearly a moron"

Not that I'd say that to his face, as he'd probably beat me to a bloodied pulp

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't see Tyson Fury point, it's just wrong to say a woman's place is on her back....

What about doggy, reverse cowboy and bent over the bonnet of the car!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Intent is important. However Tyson Fury is clearly a tosser. The intent is there in the statements he makes. Whether that's intent to offend or intent to be provocative, they are views which deserve to be challenged.

For all those who think it's a bit of a laugh that he said Jessica Ennis scrubs up alright, how about the comments that he'd hang his sister if she was promiscuous?

He's a cunt.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

But consider this: If Fury had made remarks in a similar vein of a *racial* kind there would be no hesitation to condemn him.

It speaks volumes about our society that homophobia is 'tolerated'.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

...and, incidentally, when it comes to prejudice I have suffered more abuse from gay men than straight people.

Bottom line, I'm like that kid from Sixth Sense:

"I see eejits... everywhere!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Intent is important. However Tyson Fury is clearly a tosser. The intent is there in the statements he makes. Whether that's intent to offend or intent to be provocative, they are views which deserve to be challenged.

For all those who think it's a bit of a laugh that he said Jessica Ennis scrubs up alright, how about the comments that he'd hang his sister if she was promiscuous?

He's a cunt."

Yeah, but stop fence sitting. What do you really think?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Forgive me if I ramble. I heard this morning that Tyson Fury had been reported to the police for making homophobic comments.

Now I have a slightly skewed moral compass, but I do not like anybody picking on anybody for whatever reason,yes I was bullied at school .

"

Fury also said once that he would hang his sister if she was promiscuous.

He doesn't sound like a particularly nice chap, and certainly shouldn't be held up as an inspirational rolemodel.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Intent is important. However Tyson Fury is clearly a tosser. The intent is there in the statements he makes. Whether that's intent to offend or intent to be provocative, they are views which deserve to be challenged.

For all those who think it's a bit of a laugh that he said Jessica Ennis scrubs up alright, how about the comments that he'd hang his sister if she was promiscuous?

He's a cunt."

Ok we all agree he is an idiot and a very retrospective outlook of society and roles but be a little understanding here.

Travellers in general have these views of what is decent (sexually) and people's roles in life and society. I grew up very near a travellers site and the views he stated were and still are widely accepted in that community. Yes he is way off base with his comments and no he should not have those views in this day and age but seriously it does not make him a bad person just a stupid one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Forgive me if I ramble. I heard this morning that Tyson Fury had been reported to the police for making homophobic comments.

Now I have a slightly skewed moral compass, but I do not like anybody picking on anybody for whatever reason,yes I was bullied at school .

But it got me thinking that as a closet bi chap (to paraphrase Fagan from Oliver, you've got to suck a cock or two),I sometimes hear jokey comments about gays and think actually that's personally offensive, but it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Question is, does that mean I'm not easily offended, I'm not gay or I've no social concious, the daft thing is that I would stand up and support anybody being abused, but I do think sometimes people complain just to make a big deal of things, and are they truthfully that offended.

As I say, just my rambling thoughts. "

He also said woman should be on there backs or cooking or looking after children ,he is a fighter for a reason he is trying to destroy his one brain cell

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Question is, does that mean I'm not easily offended, I'm not gay or I've no social conscious, the daft thing is that I would stand up and support anybody being abused, but I do think sometimes people complain just to make a big deal of things, and are they truthfully that offended. "

I think that when you are a member of a group who doesn't experience those kind of comments aimed at them, then it can be hard to understand why people would be upset.

You might think that the odd homophobic or sexist comment doesn't matter - but you are not in a position where those things *would* matter to you. In fact, you stand to gain advantage in society if those kinds of comments continue to be made because it holds people back who might otherwise compete with you.

Fury's comments are abhorrent. He disagrees with people being able to sleep with who they choose, and for a woman's right to autonomy over her own body and life. I have no words to make you understand how it feels to have popular rolemodels say such hurtful things. But please, do try and consider what effect it might have had to you growing up as a different person to the one that you are now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Intent is important. However Tyson Fury is clearly a tosser. The intent is there in the statements he makes. Whether that's intent to offend or intent to be provocative, they are views which deserve to be challenged.

For all those who think it's a bit of a laugh that he said Jessica Ennis scrubs up alright, how about the comments that he'd hang his sister if she was promiscuous?

He's a cunt.

Ok we all agree he is an idiot and a very retrospective outlook of society and roles but be a little understanding here.

Travellers in general have these views of what is decent (sexually) and people's roles in life and society. I grew up very near a travellers site and the views he stated were and still are widely accepted in that community. Yes he is way off base with his comments and no he should not have those views in this day and age but seriously it does not make him a bad person just a stupid one."

FWIW when my partner (who is a Gypsy) saw a news report that said Fury's views were representational of Gypsys, he went off on one. The polite version of his rant is that Fury has no such claim to the title of 'Gypsy' with views like his. Gypsy's are kind and tolerant people who would never suggest that women should be in the kitchen, or that people shouldn't be allowed to sleep with who they choose.

The problem is that people think that Fury's views are representational of the Gypsy community. Which they simply are not. They're representational of scumbags who want to call themselves Gypsy's in order to make themselves look better.

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"The man is clearly a moron

Not that I'd say that to his face, as he'd probably beat me to a bloodied pulp "

I've no idea who he is but I'd be happy to tell him he's a moron.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This why free speech is so important and shouldn't be discouraged or neutered by law.

Without free speech, there is a real risk that Tyson could have gone on for years without the world finding out what a grade-A asshat he is.

Subverted intolerance and hatred is worse that just letting someone express their bigoted viewpoint - because when you know, you can challenge those views and change those views. Or realise that the bigotry is just too ingrained and you just learn to allow them to look like the idiots they are and show those he may influence why their thinking is wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Intent is important. However Tyson Fury is clearly a tosser. The intent is there in the statements he makes. Whether that's intent to offend or intent to be provocative, they are views which deserve to be challenged.

For all those who think it's a bit of a laugh that he said Jessica Ennis scrubs up alright, how about the comments that he'd hang his sister if she was promiscuous?

He's a cunt.

Ok we all agree he is an idiot and a very retrospective outlook of society and roles but be a little understanding here.

Travellers in general have these views of what is decent (sexually) and people's roles in life and society. I grew up very near a travellers site and the views he stated were and still are widely accepted in that community. Yes he is way off base with his comments and no he should not have those views in this day and age but seriously it does not make him a bad person just a stupid one.

FWIW when my partner (who is a Gypsy) saw a news report that said Fury's views were representational of Gypsys, he went off on one. The polite version of his rant is that Fury has no such claim to the title of 'Gypsy' with views like his. Gypsy's are kind and tolerant people who would never suggest that women should be in the kitchen, or that people shouldn't be allowed to sleep with who they choose.

The problem is that people think that Fury's views are representational of the Gypsy community. Which they simply are not. They're representational of scumbags who want to call themselves Gypsy's in order to make themselves look better."

In which case your partner is far more enlightened than the travellers where I come from.

Although as I am not expert, I do believe there is a difference between a traveller and a gypsy is that right?

( not sarcasm, honest question)

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

In answer to the question... I think that people have every right to set their own bar in terms of what they find offensive.

I'm pretty hard to offend and in fact I think I can remember only one occasion here.

However, I often think that people choose to be offended by things they don't find offensive just for the hell of it. That to me causes more issues because it's a deliberate attempt to cause a bunfight that wasn't really necessary. By all means be offended by a subject but don't be offended by it because you don't like the person who posted it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just let comments that can be construed as homophobic go now. It bothered me more when I was in denial.

It those comments are used as a weapon then that's a different matter. I'm not one to stand idly by. Yes I was bullied at school too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Although as I am not expert, I do believe there is a difference between a traveller and a gypsy is that right?

( not sarcasm, honest question)"

That's entirely my point. He's a traveller, not a gypsy. He just calls himself a gypsy to align himself with a more peaceful and kind group of people that are far more respected.

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By *opinovMan
over a year ago

Point Nemo, Cumbria

I quite liked that Clive Myrie pretty much called Tyson Fury a 'dickhead' on the news...

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/video/2015/dec/08/tyson-fury-cannot-win-spoty-says-bbcs-clive-myrie-video

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

[SOCIAL MEDIA HYSTERIA IN PROGRESS]

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"In answer to the question... I think that people have every right to set their own bar in terms of what they find offensive.

I'm pretty hard to offend and in fact I think I can remember only one occasion here.

However, I often think that people choose to be offended by things they don't find offensive just for the hell of it. That to me causes more issues because it's a deliberate attempt to cause a bunfight that wasn't really necessary. By all means be offended by a subject but don't be offended by it because you don't like the person who posted it. "

Perhaps I should have kept my thoughts to myself, I kind of agree with this but also agree with wasp hunters points.

Is there a fence for me to sit on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He is a product of his upbringing. Traveller women do not work outside the home and they produce lil Travellers.

Homosexuality and promiscuity is not acceptable.

Young women are still chaperoned until married.... Much the same as many religious followers of various faiths and not unlike the ways of our grandparents.

Has he pushed his views upon us or just voiced his opinion.

Look up some quotes on sexuality from Mohammed Ali.

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By *aneandpaulCouple
over a year ago

cleveleys

Found out in life the so called Queer bashes are in the closet and its just a front

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By *ELLONS AND CREAMWoman
over a year ago

stourbridge area


"He is a product of his upbringing. Traveller women do not work outside the home and they produce lil Travellers.

Homosexuality and promiscuity is not acceptable.

Young women are still chaperoned until married.... Much the same as many religious followers of various faiths and not unlike the ways of our grandparents.

Has he pushed his views upon us or just voiced his opinion.

Look up some quotes on sexuality from Mohammed Ali.

"

At last .... some one on here talking sence ..... yaaaaaay

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"The man is clearly a moron

Not that I'd say that to his face, as he'd probably beat me to a bloodied pulp "

You could be an armchair boxer though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In answer to the question... I think that people have every right to set their own bar in terms of what they find offensive.

I'm pretty hard to offend and in fact I think I can remember only one occasion here.

However, I often think that people choose to be offended by things they don't find offensive just for the hell of it. That to me causes more issues because it's a deliberate attempt to cause a bunfight that wasn't really necessary. By all means be offended by a subject but don't be offended by it because you don't like the person who posted it.

Perhaps I should have kept my thoughts to myself, I kind of agree with this but also agree with wasp hunters points.

Is there a fence for me to sit on. "

FWIW I often get accused of being offended over 'nothing', or just looking for an argument. Or even disagreeing just because I don't like someone (do people really do that? It seems dumb.)

It hurts that people would consider me to have that kind of personality, but I always just figure that they don't actually know me, and they don't know how much I care about this kind of thing.

If you don't care about this kind of thing, then that's ok. As I said - it doesn't affect you. But some of us do care about these things - AND we care about things that affect people other than ourselves too.

Not everyone is the same. Not everyone is expected to stand up for the same things. And not everyone has the confidence to speak out when they see something that they perceive to be an injustice of some kind. We're all different.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some people would shrug off homophobic comments like water off a ducks back. Others sit cowering and terrified at home afraid to show family, friends and society at large who they truly are...The trouble with allowing homophobic comments (or racist, or sexist etc) is that it allows that culture to fester, be grudgingly accepted. Not allowing these comments from people regardless of a lack of malice protects the people who are not secure or strong enough to stand up for themselves. They'll watch from the shadows and realise that their fears about being unaccepted are groundless....but only if we make it so.

IMHO.

X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Intent is important. However Tyson Fury is clearly a tosser. The intent is there in the statements he makes. Whether that's intent to offend or intent to be provocative, they are views which deserve to be challenged.

For all those who think it's a bit of a laugh that he said Jessica Ennis scrubs up alright, how about the comments that he'd hang his sister if she was promiscuous?

He's a cunt.

Ok we all agree he is an idiot and a very retrospective outlook of society and roles but be a little understanding here.

Travellers in general have these views of what is decent (sexually) and people's roles in life and society. I grew up very near a travellers site and the views he stated were and still are widely accepted in that community. Yes he is way off base with his comments and no he should not have those views in this day and age but seriously it does not make him a bad person just a stupid one."

If he was a Muslim who said his sister should be hanged for promiscuity, would you feel that was ok because it was just the way he'd been brought up?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Intent is important. However Tyson Fury is clearly a tosser. The intent is there in the statements he makes. Whether that's intent to offend or intent to be provocative, they are views which deserve to be challenged.

For all those who think it's a bit of a laugh that he said Jessica Ennis scrubs up alright, how about the comments that he'd hang his sister if she was promiscuous?

He's a cunt.

Ok we all agree he is an idiot and a very retrospective outlook of society and roles but be a little understanding here.

Travellers in general have these views of what is decent (sexually) and people's roles in life and society. I grew up very near a travellers site and the views he stated were and still are widely accepted in that community. Yes he is way off base with his comments and no he should not have those views in this day and age but seriously it does not make him a bad person just a stupid one.

If he was a Muslim who said his sister should be hanged for promiscuity, would you feel that was ok because it was just the way he'd been brought up?"

And the man is an adult, who lives in the UK with, presumably, access to education, books, television, news. If he has never chosen to expand his world view any wider than what he was told growing up that's not my problem, it's his. I don't need to be understanding of his stupidity, he needs to adapt to the world he lives in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Intent is important. However Tyson Fury is clearly a tosser. The intent is there in the statements he makes. Whether that's intent to offend or intent to be provocative, they are views which deserve to be challenged.

For all those who think it's a bit of a laugh that he said Jessica Ennis scrubs up alright, how about the comments that he'd hang his sister if she was promiscuous?

He's a cunt.

Ok we all agree he is an idiot and a very retrospective outlook of society and roles but be a little understanding here.

Travellers in general have these views of what is decent (sexually) and people's roles in life and society. I grew up very near a travellers site and the views he stated were and still are widely accepted in that community. Yes he is way off base with his comments and no he should not have those views in this day and age but seriously it does not make him a bad person just a stupid one.

If he was a Muslim who said his sister should be hanged for promiscuity, would you feel that was ok because it was just the way he'd been brought up?"
.

Usually travelers and Muslims are both quite strict, religiously!

If only we could think of where they get these ridiculous ideological ideas from!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Intent is important. However Tyson Fury is clearly a tosser. The intent is there in the statements he makes. Whether that's intent to offend or intent to be provocative, they are views which deserve to be challenged.

For all those who think it's a bit of a laugh that he said Jessica Ennis scrubs up alright, how about the comments that he'd hang his sister if she was promiscuous?

He's a cunt.

Ok we all agree he is an idiot and a very retrospective outlook of society and roles but be a little understanding here.

Travellers in general have these views of what is decent (sexually) and people's roles in life and society. I grew up very near a travellers site and the views he stated were and still are widely accepted in that community. Yes he is way off base with his comments and no he should not have those views in this day and age but seriously it does not make him a bad person just a stupid one.

If he was a Muslim who said his sister should be hanged for promiscuity, would you feel that was ok because it was just the way he'd been brought up?.

Usually travelers and Muslims are both quite strict, religiously!

If only we could think of where they get these ridiculous ideological ideas from! "

I know they are. That was my point. And it comes from inappropriate interpretation of religious teaching. The bible and the Quran are both products of the political and cultural environment in which they were written. There is no contradiction between having faith and ignoring some of the more outlandish bollocks that's written in either of them.

By the way, ok, I get it, you think all religion is idiotic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Intent is important. However Tyson Fury is clearly a tosser. The intent is there in the statements he makes. Whether that's intent to offend or intent to be provocative, they are views which deserve to be challenged.

For all those who think it's a bit of a laugh that he said Jessica Ennis scrubs up alright, how about the comments that he'd hang his sister if she was promiscuous?

He's a cunt.

Ok we all agree he is an idiot and a very retrospective outlook of society and roles but be a little understanding here.

Travellers in general have these views of what is decent (sexually) and people's roles in life and society. I grew up very near a travellers site and the views he stated were and still are widely accepted in that community. Yes he is way off base with his comments and no he should not have those views in this day and age but seriously it does not make him a bad person just a stupid one.

If he was a Muslim who said his sister should be hanged for promiscuity, would you feel that was ok because it was just the way he'd been brought up?.

Usually travelers and Muslims are both quite strict, religiously!

If only we could think of where they get these ridiculous ideological ideas from!

I know they are. That was my point. And it comes from inappropriate interpretation of religious teaching. The bible and the Quran are both products of the political and cultural environment in which they were written. There is no contradiction between having faith and ignoring some of the more outlandish bollocks that's written in either of them.

By the way, ok, I get it, you think all religion is idiotic. "
.

No I've never read a religious book that's not been a toughly dammed good read(ten commandments with Charlton Heston was great), but then harry potter was great too, it's just humans that follow devoutly.... Well fictional books that do my head in.

And in reality if I instructed my children in the sins of harry potter, well I'm presuming social services would get involved!.

Mr fury and all the other numptys need a reality check.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm offended I'm offended let silence you. Start a petition . Ban him/her ( have to put her. Don't want to offend anyone)

Fed up with all this bollock.

People getting offended for others most of the time.

A none story. Nothing to see here.

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman
over a year ago

little old town of Reading!


"

Although as I am not expert, I do believe there is a difference between a traveller and a gypsy is that right?

( not sarcasm, honest question)

That's entirely my point. He's a traveller, not a gypsy. He just calls himself a gypsy to align himself with a more peaceful and kind group of people that are far more respected."

The thing with that though, is you have your traveller, who lives the lifestyle out of choice, and you have your actual Irish or Roma gypsies, for example, who are identified as an ethnic group because that is their ethnic and cultural heritage. The culture within the traditional groups is arguably different from those traveller groups. Your traveller partner who calls himself a gypsy does not carry the same cultural values as gypsies who were born and raised in the traditional way. So your point is moot.

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

I'm ignoring all the religious stuff cause my personal view is that it's all nonsense but I love the BBC guy in this clip...

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2015/12/08/bbc-news-presenter-calls-tyson-fury-dickhead/

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Forgive me if I ramble. I heard this morning that Tyson Fury had been reported to the police for making homophobic comments.

Now I have a slightly skewed moral compass, but I do not like anybody picking on anybody for whatever reason,yes I was bullied at school .

But it got me thinking that as a closet bi chap (to paraphrase Fagan from Oliver, you've got to suck a cock or two),I sometimes hear jokey comments about gays and think actually that's personally offensive, but it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Question is, does that mean I'm not easily offended, I'm not gay or I've no social concious, the daft thing is that I would stand up and support anybody being abused, but I do think sometimes people complain just to make a big deal of things, and are they truthfully that offended.

As I say, just my rambling thoughts. "
it shows that you are very comfortable in your own skin

alot of the time i think that its the society that we live in alot of people seem to take offence at alot of things

im very laid back tho i hate bullies and would stand up against them

some people need to slowly count to ten tho then see if the remark or whatever really was offensive

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Although as I am not expert, I do believe there is a difference between a traveller and a gypsy is that right?

( not sarcasm, honest question)

That's entirely my point. He's a traveller, not a gypsy. He just calls himself a gypsy to align himself with a more peaceful and kind group of people that are far more respected.

The thing with that though, is you have your traveller, who lives the lifestyle out of choice, and you have your actual Irish or Roma gypsies, for example, who are identified as an ethnic group because that is their ethnic and cultural heritage. The culture within the traditional groups is arguably different from those traveller groups. Your traveller partner who calls himself a gypsy does not carry the same cultural values as gypsies who were born and raised in the traditional way. So your point is moot. "

My partner is not a traveller, he is a Gypsy. He is of Romani hertigate and is part of an ethnic group.

Fury is no such thing. He is not a gypsy. He is a traveller.

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman
over a year ago

little old town of Reading!


"

Although as I am not expert, I do believe there is a difference between a traveller and a gypsy is that right?

( not sarcasm, honest question)

That's entirely my point. He's a traveller, not a gypsy. He just calls himself a gypsy to align himself with a more peaceful and kind group of people that are far more respected.

The thing with that though, is you have your traveller, who lives the lifestyle out of choice, and you have your actual Irish or Roma gypsies, for example, who are identified as an ethnic group because that is their ethnic and cultural heritage. The culture within the traditional groups is arguably different from those traveller groups. Your traveller partner who calls himself a gypsy does not carry the same cultural values as gypsies who were born and raised in the traditional way. So your point is moot.

My partner is not a traveller, he is a Gypsy. He is of Romani hertigate and is part of an ethnic group.

Fury is no such thing. He is not a gypsy. He is a traveller."

Hmm- it was where you said "he's a traveller, not a gypsy" that caused me to think that he was "a traveller, not a gypsy"...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Although as I am not expert, I do believe there is a difference between a traveller and a gypsy is that right?

( not sarcasm, honest question)

That's entirely my point. He's a traveller, not a gypsy. He just calls himself a gypsy to align himself with a more peaceful and kind group of people that are far more respected.

The thing with that though, is you have your traveller, who lives the lifestyle out of choice, and you have your actual Irish or Roma gypsies, for example, who are identified as an ethnic group because that is their ethnic and cultural heritage. The culture within the traditional groups is arguably different from those traveller groups. Your traveller partner who calls himself a gypsy does not carry the same cultural values as gypsies who were born and raised in the traditional way. So your point is moot.

My partner is not a traveller, he is a Gypsy. He is of Romani hertigate and is part of an ethnic group.

Fury is no such thing. He is not a gypsy. He is a traveller.

Hmm- it was where you said "he's a traveller, not a gypsy" that caused me to think that he was "a traveller, not a gypsy"..."

I was referring to Fury.

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

From where I'm sitting are you both not saying the same thing? He's a traveller, not a gypsy... he being Mr Fury.

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman
over a year ago

little old town of Reading!


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I was referring to Fury."

Ahhhh! Gotcha- in that case apologies for the confusion!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"From where I'm sitting are you both not saying the same thing? He's a traveller, not a gypsy... he being Mr Fury.

"
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He actually lives in very nice house in Cheshire, hardly the trappings of either!.

I stayed away from watching his fight or buying any newspapers that print anything about him.

The power really does lie with the consumers of such bollocks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Forgive me if I ramble. I heard this morning that Tyson Fury had been reported to the police for making homophobic comments.

Now I have a slightly skewed moral compass, but I do not like anybody picking on anybody for whatever reason,yes I was bullied at school .

But it got me thinking that as a closet bi chap (to paraphrase Fagan from Oliver, you've got to suck a cock or two),I sometimes hear jokey comments about gays and think actually that's personally offensive, but it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Question is, does that mean I'm not easily offended, I'm not gay or I've no social concious, the daft thing is that I would stand up and support anybody being abused, but I do think sometimes people complain just to make a big deal of things, and are they truthfully that offended.

As I say, just my rambling thoughts. "

If you're not easily offended then you have no business being here on the forum! How very dare you!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"From where I'm sitting are you both not saying the same thing? He's a traveller, not a gypsy... he being Mr Fury.

.

He actually lives in very nice house in Cheshire, hardly the trappings of either!.

I stayed away from watching his fight or buying any newspapers that print anything about him.

The power really does lie with the consumers of such bollocks"

It would be unlikely for a traveller to live in a nice big house - since it's a lifestyle identifier rather than an ethnographic label. To be a traveller isn't really anything to do with your ethnic background, and it is more to do with the way that you choose to live.

However people of Romani Gypsy heritage do often live static lives and indeed sometimes in nice houses. Although the Romani were traditionally nomadic people, modern life has caused many to change the way that they live. That doesn't make them any less Romani simply because they now live in one place. They still have the same ethnic heritage.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"From where I'm sitting are you both not saying the same thing? He's a traveller, not a gypsy... he being Mr Fury.

.

He actually lives in very nice house in Cheshire, hardly the trappings of either!.

I stayed away from watching his fight or buying any newspapers that print anything about him.

The power really does lie with the consumers of such bollocks

It would be unlikely for a traveller to live in a nice big house - since it's a lifestyle identifier rather than an ethnographic label. To be a traveller isn't really anything to do with your ethnic background, and it is more to do with the way that you choose to live.

However people of Romani Gypsy heritage do often live static lives and indeed sometimes in nice houses. Although the Romani were traditionally nomadic people, modern life has caused many to change the way that they live. That doesn't make them any less Romani simply because they now live in one place. They still have the same ethnic heritage."
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Black people want to live with black people, Chinese people with Chinese people only stupid white people think its worth the effort destroying ones heritage for a liberal idea of integration!

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By *mojeeCouple
over a year ago

Dunfermline

I'm not homophobic. .......... I'm not scared of my house

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By *iSTARessWoman
over a year ago

London


"Some people would shrug off homophobic comments like water off a ducks back. Others sit cowering and terrified at home afraid to show family, friends and society at large who they truly are...The trouble with allowing homophobic comments (or racist, or sexist etc) is that it allows that culture to fester, be grudgingly accepted. Not allowing these comments from people regardless of a lack of malice protects the people who are not secure or strong enough to stand up for themselves. They'll watch from the shadows and realise that their fears about being unaccepted are groundless....but only if we make it so.

IMHO.

X"

Bang on

Couldn't give a frig about his background, the man's a tit.

Stories like this highlights how we as a society are no longer accepting such views, which is a great thing

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"From where I'm sitting are you both not saying the same thing? He's a traveller, not a gypsy... he being Mr Fury.

.

He actually lives in very nice house in Cheshire, hardly the trappings of either!.

I stayed away from watching his fight or buying any newspapers that print anything about him.

The power really does lie with the consumers of such bollocks"

I didn't even know who he was till this thread.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Individuals vary in their subjective experience of anything. What I may feel is disgusting, others will love.

As a group, LGBT people suffer more from attacks, suicide and other problems than the general population. We are a collection of minorities that are afforded some protection from hate crimes and discrimination, quite rightly - more so when you see lives taken due to someone's personality and innate differences from the majority.

An individual is within their rights to report any suspected crime to the police. It doesn't follow that there is a conviction.

I was in Soho at the time of the homophobic bombing - it was terrifying. Hate crimes need to be stopped, especially when thousands of isolated vulnerable people may be at greater risk because some famous star spews out tripe, which stirs up others to perpetuate their harassment and bullying of others.

What is trivial to one may be the thing that results in the loss of someone else's life. Since the Admiral Duncan murders I am resolutely against all hatred towards minorities and in fact anyone. People deserve respect and nothing less.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Individuals vary in their subjective experience of anything. What I may feel is disgusting, others will love.

As a group, LGBT people suffer more from attacks, suicide and other problems than the general population. We are a collection of minorities that are afforded some protection from hate crimes and discrimination, quite rightly - more so when you see lives taken due to someone's personality and innate differences from the majority.

An individual is within their rights to report any suspected crime to the police. It doesn't follow that there is a conviction.

I was in Soho at the time of the homophobic bombing - it was terrifying. Hate crimes need to be stopped, especially when thousands of isolated vulnerable people may be at greater risk because some famous star spews out tripe, which stirs up others to perpetuate their harassment and bullying of others.

What is trivial to one may be the thing that results in the loss of someone else's life. Since the Admiral Duncan murders I am resolutely against all hatred towards minorities and in fact anyone. People deserve respect and nothing less. "
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The point is somebody's minority status, colour, sexual orientation or religion should not be a vehicle for them to perpetrate bollocks of the highest order, things that go against the core principals of western freedoms and democracy should NOT be tolerated, Mr fury hasn't got away with it on here but I'll bet my last quid had he been a gay Muslim Chinese monk he most certainly would have, because people are too afraid to denounce bullshit amongst the above but more than happy to shove it down the throat of a white man!... If you know what I mean

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff


"

Question is, does that mean I'm not easily offended, I'm not gay or I've no social conscious, the daft thing is that I would stand up and support anybody being abused, but I do think sometimes people complain just to make a big deal of things, and are they truthfully that offended.

I think that when you are a member of a group who doesn't experience those kind of comments aimed at them, then it can be hard to understand why people would be upset.

You might think that the odd homophobic or sexist comment doesn't matter - but you are not in a position where those things *would* matter to you. In fact, you stand to gain advantage in society if those kinds of comments continue to be made because it holds people back who might otherwise compete with you.

Fury's comments are abhorrent. He disagrees with people being able to sleep with who they choose, and for a woman's right to autonomy over her own body and life. I have no words to make you understand how it feels to have popular rolemodels say such hurtful things. But please, do try and consider what effect it might have had to you growing up as a different person to the one that you are now."

You are totally right, these views are not acceptable from anyone

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