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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Has some pretty strong recommendations based on more than 50% of the population describing themselves as non religious and the increasing diversity in the UK. Is this the first step towards us becoming a more secular society with religion and some of the traditions like prayers at school assemblies and leading clergymen in the House of Lords being phased out?

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

Yeah I heard it. We're a Christian country with a secular population, and its very unlikely, with the strength of the church within our society, that things will change just yet.

I do agree that there should be more representation of non-Christian ceremonies in TV etc. Things will change but, as is always the case in our tradition-bound country, very slowly.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Fingers-x'ed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In the 6 years my child has been attending school he has never once sang a hymn. I think they were phased out a long time ago, maybe that was due Christianity not being the only religion in schools.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Being non religious doesn't necessarily indicate atheism.....

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Being non religious doesn't necessarily indicate atheism..... "

It is a big shift in a relatively short period of time, from people describing themselves as Christians to being no religious. I suspect many of those still have some sort of faith which suggests the Christian movement could be facing a long period of decline, which will only increase I suspect if Christian influences/traditions/teachings are phased out of modern society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe they choose to believe.

But not in organized faith.

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By *punky-guyMan
over a year ago

Farnborough

Christianity is gradually being phased out as it upsets muslims

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Christianity is gradually being phased out as it upsets muslims"

How? Please explain

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"Christianity is gradually being phased out as it upsets muslims"

If Islam becomes stronger than Christianity in the UK its not the fault of Muslims. Its the fact that the white, british population pay lip service to their own religion for christenings, weddings, and funerals and ignore it the rest of the time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In the 6 years my child has been attending school he has never once sang a hymn. I think they were phased out a long time ago, maybe that was due Christianity not being the only religion in schools. "

Depends where you live. Our school despite not being a church school has assembly every day and sing hymns.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think of it like this.

The more we learn through science, the less we belive in superstitious bollocks, Christianity has been declining in most western countries for hundreds of years, every rational scientific explanation of "the mysteries of life" is like another nail in the Christian coffin, it's no coincidence that Islam has learnt from christianitys mistakes... Ban science and free thought/speech...Shut them dissenters up, let's have no more talk of rational explanations for my voodoo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If also add to that it's the number 1 fundermental difference between the two cultures...

Freedom!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Christianity is gradually being phased out as it upsets muslims

If Islam becomes stronger than Christianity in the UK its not the fault of Muslims. Its the fact that the white, british population pay lip service to their own religion for christenings, weddings, and funerals and ignore it the rest of the time."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are there many non-religious ceremonies out there to be televised? It's a bit like including atheism in religious education. I have no problem with that, but it is difficult to teach the absence of belief, there's nothing to teach. Not as much fun as a trip to a gurdwara or something.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"Are there many non-religious ceremonies out there to be televised? It's a bit like including atheism in religious education. I have no problem with that, but it is difficult to teach the absence of belief, there's nothing to teach. Not as much fun as a trip to a gurdwara or something."

A friend of a friend had a Humanist funeral. It was lovely, and there was no vicar spouting nonsense about someone they'd obviously never met.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are there many non-religious ceremonies out there to be televised? It's a bit like including atheism in religious education. I have no problem with that, but it is difficult to teach the absence of belief, there's nothing to teach. Not as much fun as a trip to a gurdwara or something.

A friend of a friend had a Humanist funeral. It was lovely, and there was no vicar spouting nonsense about someone they'd obviously never met."

I've been to a humanist funeral and I accept that it may have been a poor example, but it was the most depressing funeral I have ever been to. Full of people spouting nonsense about someone they obviously didn't know but without any suggestion of an afterlife to break the unrelenting focus on the absence of the person from our lives any more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And I think when they're more popular among the population at large then they'll be more represented in soaps etc. Actually so many people still choose a non-denominational Christian funeral for whatever reasons that it makes perfect sense that that's probably what you see most often on the telly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Has some pretty strong recommendations based on more than 50% of the population describing themselves as non religious and the increasing diversity in the UK. Is this the first step towards us becoming a more secular society with religion and some of the traditions like prayers at school assemblies and leading clergymen in the House of Lords being phased out?"
I believe in the process of natural evolution ,religion has always been without a place for me but I was tortured with it as a boy

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By *etzPlayCouple
over a year ago

Southend

No religion until 18, sorted xx

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Constitutionally it has potentially big implications as well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are there many non-religious ceremonies out there to be televised? It's a bit like including atheism in religious education. I have no problem with that, but it is difficult to teach the absence of belief, there's nothing to teach. Not as much fun as a trip to a gurdwara or something.

A friend of a friend had a Humanist funeral. It was lovely, and there was no vicar spouting nonsense about someone they'd obviously never met.

I've been to a humanist funeral and I accept that it may have been a poor example, but it was the most depressing funeral I have ever been to. Full of people spouting nonsense about someone they obviously didn't know but without any suggestion of an afterlife to break the unrelenting focus on the absence of the person from our lives any more. "
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Just shove em in a wheelie bin and then go down the pub and recant past glories!

There fucking dead, they couldn't give a shit about flowers or a nice car or someone not wearing black!

Personally I'd like to think my friends and family had a bloody good laugh, recalled some good memories, had a cry and remembered me fondly as the nice person I tried to be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Constitutionally it has potentially big implications as well. "
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Well the queens the head of state and church so we could never be secular... unless one goes

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Constitutionally it has potentially big implications as well. .

Well the queens the head of state and church so we could never be secular... unless one goes "

Exactly!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are there many non-religious ceremonies out there to be televised? It's a bit like including atheism in religious education. I have no problem with that, but it is difficult to teach the absence of belief, there's nothing to teach. Not as much fun as a trip to a gurdwara or something.

A friend of a friend had a Humanist funeral. It was lovely, and there was no vicar spouting nonsense about someone they'd obviously never met.

I've been to a humanist funeral and I accept that it may have been a poor example, but it was the most depressing funeral I have ever been to. Full of people spouting nonsense about someone they obviously didn't know but without any suggestion of an afterlife to break the unrelenting focus on the absence of the person from our lives any more. .

Just shove em in a wheelie bin and then go down the pub and recant past glories!

There fucking dead, they couldn't give a shit about flowers or a nice car or someone not wearing black!

Personally I'd like to think my friends and family had a bloody good laugh, recalled some good memories, had a cry and remembered me fondly as the nice person I tried to be."

All of the above are possible at a religious funeral too. Badging something "humanist" doesn't mean it's automatically going to be any better or more relevant to someone's life. That's my point.

Personally I want hymns, black hats, wailing, lying in state and the buffet to end all buffets.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are there many non-religious ceremonies out there to be televised? It's a bit like including atheism in religious education. I have no problem with that, but it is difficult to teach the absence of belief, there's nothing to teach. Not as much fun as a trip to a gurdwara or something.

A friend of a friend had a Humanist funeral. It was lovely, and there was no vicar spouting nonsense about someone they'd obviously never met.

I've been to a humanist funeral and I accept that it may have been a poor example, but it was the most depressing funeral I have ever been to. Full of people spouting nonsense about someone they obviously didn't know but without any suggestion of an afterlife to break the unrelenting focus on the absence of the person from our lives any more. .

Just shove em in a wheelie bin and then go down the pub and recant past glories!

There fucking dead, they couldn't give a shit about flowers or a nice car or someone not wearing black!

Personally I'd like to think my friends and family had a bloody good laugh, recalled some good memories, had a cry and remembered me fondly as the nice person I tried to be.

All of the above are possible at a religious funeral too. Badging something "humanist" doesn't mean it's automatically going to be any better or more relevant to someone's life. That's my point.

Personally I want hymns, black hats, wailing, lying in state and the buffet to end all buffets."

What you want and what you'll get are 2 different things

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No religion until 18, sorted xx"

Does that include the teaching of religion?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are there many non-religious ceremonies out there to be televised? It's a bit like including atheism in religious education. I have no problem with that, but it is difficult to teach the absence of belief, there's nothing to teach. Not as much fun as a trip to a gurdwara or something.

A friend of a friend had a Humanist funeral. It was lovely, and there was no vicar spouting nonsense about someone they'd obviously never met.

I've been to a humanist funeral and I accept that it may have been a poor example, but it was the most depressing funeral I have ever been to. Full of people spouting nonsense about someone they obviously didn't know but without any suggestion of an afterlife to break the unrelenting focus on the absence of the person from our lives any more. .

Just shove em in a wheelie bin and then go down the pub and recant past glories!

There fucking dead, they couldn't give a shit about flowers or a nice car or someone not wearing black!

Personally I'd like to think my friends and family had a bloody good laugh, recalled some good memories, had a cry and remembered me fondly as the nice person I tried to be.

All of the above are possible at a religious funeral too. Badging something "humanist" doesn't mean it's automatically going to be any better or more relevant to someone's life. That's my point.

Personally I want hymns, black hats, wailing, lying in state and the buffet to end all buffets.

What you want and what you'll get are 2 different things "

All of the above are wholly achievable.

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By *etzPlayCouple
over a year ago

Southend


"No religion until 18, sorted xx

Does that include the teaching of religion? "

Yep xx

E was brainwashed as a child and I rescued her, but still she has massive problems

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are there many non-religious ceremonies out there to be televised? It's a bit like including atheism in religious education. I have no problem with that, but it is difficult to teach the absence of belief, there's nothing to teach. Not as much fun as a trip to a gurdwara or something.

A friend of a friend had a Humanist funeral. It was lovely, and there was no vicar spouting nonsense about someone they'd obviously never met.

I've been to a humanist funeral and I accept that it may have been a poor example, but it was the most depressing funeral I have ever been to. Full of people spouting nonsense about someone they obviously didn't know but without any suggestion of an afterlife to break the unrelenting focus on the absence of the person from our lives any more. .

Just shove em in a wheelie bin and then go down the pub and recant past glories!

There fucking dead, they couldn't give a shit about flowers or a nice car or someone not wearing black!

Personally I'd like to think my friends and family had a bloody good laugh, recalled some good memories, had a cry and remembered me fondly as the nice person I tried to be.

All of the above are possible at a religious funeral too. Badging something "humanist" doesn't mean it's automatically going to be any better or more relevant to someone's life. That's my point.

Personally I want hymns, black hats, wailing, lying in state and the buffet to end all buffets."
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I'm Irish... That's every funeral I've ever been to..

I missed out the drinking and fighting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think if your atheist in nature and you have a humanist funeral, then it's very relevant to you!

If you've never been religious but you have a religious funeral, then it would be completely irrelevant.

Also people who've died should be alot more respectful to the people who have to sit there for fucking hours in a freezing church wailing crappy hymns..

I want bob Marley at the very least or the happy song... Cheer up,it's not the end of the world, it's me who's dead

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Religion will always exist, and how people are buried will always be a matter of choice, I quite like the idea of very loud music and a massive party. But our society has had a huge Christian influence for centuries and if the recommendations in this report are taken board it will be interesting to see what changes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Religion will always exist, and how people are buried will always be a matter of choice, I quite like the idea of very loud music and a massive party. But our society has had a huge Christian influence for centuries and if the recommendations in this report are taken board it will be interesting to see what changes."
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When we're gone, it's gone

I can't see chimps taking up tea with the vicar... Or will they

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By *etzPlayCouple
over a year ago

Southend

Religion has always been rich people's way of controlling poor people, pretty much a fact when you see where all the worlds money is xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Christianity is a sleeping benign giant in our Kingdom, the salt of the earth, take this benign influence out of our midst and sorrow shall be our lot.....

In society today a minority that do not represent the thoughts of society hold sway and tell us to do away with Christianity and insidiously seek with all their influence to undermine it.......

The reason you think Chistianity is weak is because the christians in our Realm go about their business quietly, doing good behind the scenes seeking no worldy praise or honour for their labours...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Christianity is a sleeping benign giant in our Kingdom, the salt of the earth, take this benign influence out of our midst and sorrow shall be our lot.....

In society today a minority that do not represent the thoughts of society hold sway and tell us to do away with Christianity and insidiously seek with all their influence to undermine it.......

The reason you think Chistianity is weak is because the christians in our Realm go about their business quietly, doing good behind the scenes seeking no worldy praise or honour for their labours...

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I hope that good people do good things all the time, love thy neighbour and all of that in the name of humanity rather than religion.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Jedi

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No religion until 18, sorted xx

Does that include the teaching of religion?

Yep xx

E was brainwashed as a child and I rescued her, but still she has massive problems "

So you've now brainwashed her with the opposite view?

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge


"Are there many non-religious ceremonies out there to be televised? It's a bit like including atheism in religious education. I have no problem with that, but it is difficult to teach the absence of belief, there's nothing to teach. Not as much fun as a trip to a gurdwara or something.

A friend of a friend had a Humanist funeral. It was lovely, and there was no vicar spouting nonsense about someone they'd obviously never met.

I've been to a humanist funeral and I accept that it may have been a poor example, but it was the most depressing funeral I have ever been to. Full of people spouting nonsense about someone they obviously didn't know but without any suggestion of an afterlife to break the unrelenting focus on the absence of the person from our lives any more. .

Just shove em in a wheelie bin and then go down the pub and recant past glories!

There fucking dead, they couldn't give a shit about flowers or a nice car or someone not wearing black!

Personally I'd like to think my friends and family had a bloody good laugh, recalled some good memories, had a cry and remembered me fondly as the nice person I tried to be.

All of the above are possible at a religious funeral too. Badging something "humanist" doesn't mean it's automatically going to be any better or more relevant to someone's life. That's my point.

Personally I want hymns, black hats, wailing, lying in state and the buffet to end all buffets..

I'm Irish... That's every funeral I've ever been to..

I missed out the drinking and fighting "
whats the difference between an Irish wedding and an Irish funeral ?

There's one less d*unk at the funeral

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah-but, No-but..... I wonder how many of the reportedly increasing amount of "non-religious people" celebrate Christmas this year......

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Yeah-but, No-but..... I wonder how many of the reportedly increasing amount of "non-religious people" celebrate Christmas this year...... "

Pretty much all of them, but how many will attend church or think twice about the meaning of the festival??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yeah-but, No-but..... I wonder how many of the reportedly increasing amount of "non-religious people" celebrate Christmas this year...... "
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Wouldn't really make any difference anyhow, christmas was probably put around this time by Constantine to take over the pagan winter festival of the shortest day, the Roman empire had a habit of assimilating foreign culture! there's practically no evidence of his date of birth, date of death or even the year he was born!

I would imagine the spectacle of a mass piss up for two weeks would be far more practical and far less of a burden for atheists than... Other religions

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By *aneandpaulCouple
over a year ago

cleveleys

Don,t say prayer,s or sing Hymns at most school,s it offends people

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"No religion until 18, sorted xx

Does that include the teaching of religion?

Yep xx

E was brainwashed as a child and I rescued her, but still she has massive problems

So you've now brainwashed her with the opposite view? "

Hmmm

The views of a number of religious people I have met

I'm a sinner and I feel guilt for my sins

My brain washing of them

No you're not a sinner and please don't feel guilty

I genuinely care not if a person believes or hopes something unknown exists , I'm sure something unknown does

I do care about very specific parts of what some do believe for example some do believe homosexuality should not be allowed within human society

And some do believe they are an unclean horrid awful disgusting person if they even think about sex let alone indulge in the act

Xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No religion until 18, sorted xx

Does that include the teaching of religion?

Yep xx

E was brainwashed as a child and I rescued her, but still she has massive problems

So you've now brainwashed her with the opposite view?

Hmmm

The views of a number of religious people I have met

I'm a sinner and I feel guilt for my sins

My brain washing of them

No you're not a sinner and please don't feel guilty

I genuinely care not if a person believes or hopes something unknown exists , I'm sure something unknown does

I do care about very specific parts of what some do believe for example some do believe homosexuality should not be allowed within human society

And some do believe they are an unclean horrid awful disgusting person if they even think about sex let alone indulge in the act

Xxx"

Yep, most on here are ashamed of the fact. Hence the reason they don't show their faces but it's got nothing to do with them being religious.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh, and I was brought up in a Catholic household, went to church and everything.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No religion until 18, sorted xx

Does that include the teaching of religion?

Yep xx

E was brainwashed as a child and I rescued her, but still she has massive problems

So you've now brainwashed her with the opposite view?

Hmmm

The views of a number of religious people I have met

I'm a sinner and I feel guilt for my sins

My brain washing of them

No you're not a sinner and please don't feel guilty

I genuinely care not if a person believes or hopes something unknown exists , I'm sure something unknown does

I do care about very specific parts of what some do believe for example some do believe homosexuality should not be allowed within human society

And some do believe they are an unclean horrid awful disgusting person if they even think about sex let alone indulge in the act

Xxx

Yep, most on here are ashamed of the fact. Hence the reason they don't show their faces but it's got nothing to do with them being religious."
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Self shame and societal shame are two completely different things, however you would have to question where the societal shame originates from!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yeah-but, No-but..... I wonder how many of the reportedly increasing amount of "non-religious people" celebrate Christmas this year...... .

Wouldn't really make any djifference anyhow, christmas was probably put around this time by Constantine to take over the pagan winter festival of the shortest day, the Roman empire had a habit of assimilating foreign culture! there's practically no evidence of his date of birth, date of death or even the year he was born!

I would imagine the spectacle of a mass piss up for two weeks would be far more practical and far less of a burden for atheists than... Other religions"

It has already been proven that Jebus's birth date is wrong. The 3 magi visited Herod just a few days before JC's birth. Herod died in 4 BC.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"No religion until 18, sorted xx

Does that include the teaching of religion?

Yep xx

E was brainwashed as a child and I rescued her, but still she has massive problems

So you've now brainwashed her with the opposite view?

Hmmm

The views of a number of religious people I have met

I'm a sinner and I feel guilt for my sins

My brain washing of them

No you're not a sinner and please don't feel guilty

I genuinely care not if a person believes or hopes something unknown exists , I'm sure something unknown does

I do care about very specific parts of what some do believe for example some do believe homosexuality should not be allowed within human society

And some do believe they are an unclean horrid awful disgusting person if they even think about sex let alone indulge in the act

Xxx

Yep, most on here are ashamed of the fact. Hence the reason they don't show their faces but it's got nothing to do with them being religious."

Do you seriously want to debate that nowhere in this country do some religous family's or some religous preachers , explicitly teach that both of my above points are against the wishes of the belived god and it doctrine? Because if so I think the evidence can be delivered quite easily

Evidence that you were not does not counter the evidence that some do xxx

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By *rionycdTV/TS
over a year ago

East Kilbride

Religion in schools. ABC, 123 and the capital of France is Paris is the same whether you are white, black, brown, yellow, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist or whatever. Apologies to anyone I've missed.

Certainly in Scotland religion is the only subject that legally has to be taught.

So for that one school period a week for RE then not only do children learn about their own religion, more importantly they also learn about other religions thereby breaking down barriers and taking away some of the mysticism. That might go a small way to breaking down perceived barriers because another kid is "different".

If we understand why others act, dress, pray, believe etc in a "different" way then we all might become more understanding and tolerant.

At the end of the day we're all Jock Tamson's Bairns (i.e. we're all children of one God or another).

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Religion in schools. ABC, 123 and the capital of France is Paris is the same whether you are white, black, brown, yellow, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist or whatever. Apologies to anyone I've missed.

Certainly in Scotland religion is the only subject that legally has to be taught.

So for that one school period a week for RE then not only do children learn about their own religion, more importantly they also learn about other religions thereby breaking down barriers and taking away some of the mysticism. That might go a small way to breaking down perceived barriers because another kid is "different".

If we understand why others act, dress, pray, believe etc in a "different" way then we all might become more understanding and tolerant.

At the end of the day we're all Jock Tamson's Bairns (i.e. we're all children of one God or another)."

I think understanding different faiths, beliefs and religions and mostly being taught respect for them all I hugely important in a moderate society. Ignorance is a powerful weapon of the less good in our society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No religion until 18, sorted xx

Does that include the teaching of religion?

Yep xx

E was brainwashed as a child and I rescued her, but still she has massive problems

So you've now brainwashed her with the opposite view?

Hmmm

The views of a number of religious people I have met

I'm a sinner and I feel guilt for my sins

My brain washing of them

No you're not a sinner and please don't feel guilty

I genuinely care not if a person believes or hopes something unknown exists , I'm sure something unknown does

I do care about very specific parts of what some do believe for example some do believe homosexuality should not be allowed within human society

And some do believe they are an unclean horrid awful disgusting person if they even think about sex let alone indulge in the act

Xxx

Yep, most on here are ashamed of the fact. Hence the reason they don't show their faces but it's got nothing to do with them being religious.

Do you seriously want to debate that nowhere in this country do some religous family's or some religous preachers , explicitly teach that both of my above points are against the wishes of the belived god and it doctrine? Because if so I think the evidence can be delivered quite easily

Evidence that you were not does not counter the evidence that some do xxx"

Of course not! My mum thinks oral sex is a sin. For her sex was merely to procreate.

I'm just saying there's loads on this site who seem to be ashamed of the fact that they enjoy sex. Why else would they hide their faces?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Religion in schools. ABC, 123 and the capital of France is Paris is the same whether you are white, black, brown, yellow, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist or whatever. Apologies to anyone I've missed.

Certainly in Scotland religion is the only subject that legally has to be taught.

So for that one school period a week for RE then not only do children learn about their own religion, more importantly they also learn about other religions thereby breaking down barriers and taking away some of the mysticism. That might go a small way to breaking down perceived barriers because another kid is "different".

If we understand why others act, dress, pray, believe etc in a "different" way then we all might become more understanding and tolerant.

At the end of the day we're all Jock Tamson's Bairns (i.e. we're all children of one God or another).

I think understanding different faiths, beliefs and religions and mostly being taught respect for them all I hugely important in a moderate society. Ignorance is a powerful weapon of the less good in our society."

My experience of a faith school was that there was far more emphasis on learning about other religions (as well as Christianity) than my friends who went to non-religious schools.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"No religion until 18, sorted xx

Does that include the teaching of religion?

Yep xx

E was brainwashed as a child and I rescued her, but still she has massive problems

So you've now brainwashed her with the opposite view?

Hmmm

The views of a number of religious people I have met

I'm a sinner and I feel guilt for my sins

My brain washing of them

No you're not a sinner and please don't feel guilty

I genuinely care not if a person believes or hopes something unknown exists , I'm sure something unknown does

I do care about very specific parts of what some do believe for example some do believe homosexuality should not be allowed within human society

And some do believe they are an unclean horrid awful disgusting person if they even think about sex let alone indulge in the act

Xxx

Yep, most on here are ashamed of the fact. Hence the reason they don't show their faces but it's got nothing to do with them being religious.

Do you seriously want to debate that nowhere in this country do some religous family's or some religous preachers , explicitly teach that both of my above points are against the wishes of the belived god and it doctrine? Because if so I think the evidence can be delivered quite easily

Evidence that you were not does not counter the evidence that some do xxx

Of course not! My mum thinks oral sex is a sin. For her sex was merely to procreate.

I'm just saying there's loads on this site who seem to be ashamed of the fact that they enjoy sex. Why else would they hide their faces?"

Ok so you had no related point and were having an ad hominem dig at me not showing my face

The point was, you suggested countering some of some religions negative indoctrination was equal to and as bad as the original , your words , brain washing

My point was telling a good human that they need not feel guilty because their religion tells them to is not anywhere near the harmful equivalent.?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Religion in schools. ABC, 123 and the capital of France is Paris is the same whether you are white, black, brown, yellow, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist or whatever. Apologies to anyone I've missed.

Certainly in Scotland religion is the only subject that legally has to be taught.

So for that one school period a week for RE then not only do children learn about their own religion, more importantly they also learn about other religions thereby breaking down barriers and taking away some of the mysticism. That might go a small way to breaking down perceived barriers because another kid is "different".

If we understand why others act, dress, pray, believe etc in a "different" way then we all might become more understanding and tolerant.

At the end of the day we're all Jock Tamson's Bairns (i.e. we're all children of one God or another)."
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I don't wish to tolerate some peoples BELIEFS, that doesn't make intolerant, some of their beliefs are wholly unacceptable in the 21st century, Islam can't even tolerate the western ideological idea of freedom!

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By *yung1Man
over a year ago

ashford


"Christianity is gradually being phased out as it upsets muslims"

That is the worst statement Muslims arnt upset that are other religions. U shouldn't watch some much news !!!

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By *etzPlayCouple
over a year ago

Southend


"No religion until 18, sorted xx

Does that include the teaching of religion?

Yep xx

E was brainwashed as a child and I rescued her, but still she has massive problems

So you've now brainwashed her with the opposite view? "

Wow, that's harsh. I did the opposite of that, I told her to do whatever she felt like, it's how we ended up here xx

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"Religion in schools. ABC, 123 and the capital of France is Paris is the same whether you are white, black, brown, yellow, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist or whatever. Apologies to anyone I've missed.

Certainly in Scotland religion is the only subject that legally has to be taught.

So for that one school period a week for RE then not only do children learn about their own religion, more importantly they also learn about other religions thereby breaking down barriers and taking away some of the mysticism. That might go a small way to breaking down perceived barriers because another kid is "different".

If we understand why others act, dress, pray, believe etc in a "different" way then we all might become more understanding and tolerant.

At the end of the day we're all Jock Tamson's Bairns (i.e. we're all children of one God or another)..

I don't wish to tolerate some peoples BELIEFS, that doesn't make intolerant, some of their beliefs are wholly unacceptable in the 21st century, Islam can't even tolerate the western ideological idea of freedom!

"

I to don't tolerate some people's beliefs , idealism or philosophies

I would however suggest that just like Christianity the range of taught intolerance by the differing sects means one can not objectively condemn either wholesale

Some xtian sects preach awful things just as some Islamic ones do just as some none religious philosophies do

Some xtian, Islamic and none religious communities actively encourage peace and symbiotic living

When I vent negatively toward a religion I try to articulate the part of that religion I find distasteful

It is often said we non believers share an agreed counter belief system. That is completely untrue we have no universal doctrine to indoctrinate anyone

My personal standpoint is I try to understand , concepts ,theories and philosophies rather than take a direct standpoint of belief certainly aware that so called knowledge is dynamic thus a non fluid standpoint on most ideas is counter productive to an evolving understanding

I would want any human I cared for to understand my currant maybe even borrow parts of my philosophy but also realise it is not fixed and hopefully will improve

Xxx

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