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"A French TV show has broadcast that Christiano Ronaldo is in a gay relationship with a man. Is it really any surprise? Also in this day and age is it such a big thing? " .Did they really say A gay relationship with a man! | |||
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"I thought that was why his son's mother is unknown and not in their lives. Why is it football (and other high profile largely male-dominated sports) can't get to grips with some of them being gay? " Rugby seems to have managed fine, and they're manlier by far. | |||
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"A French TV show has broadcast that Christiano Ronaldo is in a gay relationship with a man. Is it really any surprise? Also in this day and age is it such a big thing? .Did they really say A gay relationship with a man!" It's is possible to have a relationship between men that isn't gay. I believe the word is friendship  | |||
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"I can't beleive not one single player had come out yet, if Ronaldo is gay and comes out it may well lead to a flood of others, it's no big deal." . Well it would lower his earning potential | |||
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"I can't beleive not one single player had come out yet, if Ronaldo is gay and comes out it may well lead to a flood of others, it's no big deal." Justin Fashanu did years ago, the poor bastard committed suicide in the end! | |||
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"I thought that was why his son's mother is unknown and not in their lives. Why is it football (and other high profile largely male-dominated sports) can't get to grips with some of them being gay? " I think the clue is in your phrase "male-dominated". | |||
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"I can't beleive not one single player had come out yet, if Ronaldo is gay and comes out it may well lead to a flood of others, it's no big deal.. Well it would lower his earning potential" Why? | |||
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"A French TV show has broadcast that Christiano Ronaldo is in a gay relationship with a man. Is it really any surprise? Also in this day and age is it such a big thing? " Well it wouldn't be a gay relationship if it was with a woman  | |||
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"I can't beleive not one single player had come out yet, if Ronaldo is gay and comes out it may well lead to a flood of others, it's no big deal.. Well it would lower his earning potential Why?" . Your earning potential always go down if your a mass market person, why do you think none of them come out! | |||
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"It shouldn't even be newsworthy, imho. " This, they are obviously short on "news" | |||
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"It shouldn't even be newsworthy, imho. " In mine too. | |||
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"It shouldn't even be newsworthy, imho. " Well, in an ideal world, no, it shouldn't. But the world we live in is still full of homophobia, so if it his choice to come out then it *should* be newsworthy as it would help normalise homosexuality further in people's minds, and lead to other players being able to come out and live more happy, open lives. | |||
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"I didn't ever have to publicly declare that I was straight I'm not sure why anybody should be required to declare that they're gay." You trying being a minority. Despite living in London, every week a LGBTQI friend of mine is abused in this city for simply being who they are. We may have equal marriage rights now but on the streets, it's getting no better. The more queer issues are out in the open, the more they become non issues and those different from the majority are accepted. | |||
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"I didn't ever have to publicly declare that I was straight I'm not sure why anybody should be required to declare that they're gay. You trying being a minority. Despite living in London, every week a LGBTQI friend of mine is abused in this city for simply being who they are. We may have equal marriage rights now but on the streets, it's getting no better. The more queer issues are out in the open, the more they become non issues and those different from the majority are accepted." I still don't think that anyone should be required to come out. | |||
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"It shouldn't even be newsworthy, imho. " this.. | |||
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"I can't beleive not one single player had come out yet, if Ronaldo is gay and comes out it may well lead to a flood of others, it's no big deal.. Well it would lower his earning potential" In Spain? I doubt it. Although if he's Catholic he's going to have problems with his faith. | |||
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"It shouldn't even be newsworthy, imho. Well, in an ideal world, no, it shouldn't. But the world we live in is still full of homophobia, so if it his choice to come out then it *should* be newsworthy as it would help normalise homosexuality further in people's minds, and lead to other players being able to come out and live more happy, open lives. " . Yeah your not gonna sell many shirts in the middle East are yer! | |||
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"I didn't ever have to publicly declare that I was straight I'm not sure why anybody should be required to declare that they're gay." This is what I've always thought. It winds me up when you see a magazine front page stating someone has admitted or confessed to being gay. Like it's a crime and we're all entitled to know. | |||
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"I can't beleive not one single player had come out yet, if Ronaldo is gay and comes out it may well lead to a flood of others, it's no big deal.. Well it would lower his earning potential In Spain? I doubt it. Although if he's Catholic he's going to have problems with his faith." . Football's global... It moved on after bobby Charlton  | |||
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"I can't beleive not one single player had come out yet, if Ronaldo is gay and comes out it may well lead to a flood of others, it's no big deal.. Well it would lower his earning potential Why?. Your earning potential always go down if your a mass market person, why do you think none of them come out!" The greatest player of a generation will lose income, what tosh! This is 2015 not 1970! gay or straight Ronaldo is and will remain football's hottest ticket! | |||
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"A French TV show has broadcast that Christiano Ronaldo is in a gay relationship with a man. Is it really any surprise? Also in this day and age is it such a big thing? " I don't know, I haven't seen Christiano's penis. | |||
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"I didn't ever have to publicly declare that I was straight I'm not sure why anybody should be required to declare that they're gay. You trying being a minority. Despite living in London, every week a LGBTQI friend of mine is abused in this city for simply being who they are. We may have equal marriage rights now but on the streets, it's getting no better. The more queer issues are out in the open, the more they become non issues and those different from the majority are accepted. I still don't think that anyone should be required to come out." Agreed. It's not and shouldn't be anyone's business. But as long as people are being persecuted, we need good public role models | |||
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"I can't beleive not one single player had come out yet, if Ronaldo is gay and comes out it may well lead to a flood of others, it's no big deal.. Well it would lower his earning potential In Spain? I doubt it. Although if he's Catholic he's going to have problems with his faith.. Football's global... It moved on after bobby Charlton "He plays for Portugal and a Spanish team, and is paid by them. He may also suffer some sponsorship problems, but as he probably has Scrooge McDuck-like piles of money, he should be OK. | |||
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"In Spain? I doubt it. Although if he's Catholic he's going to have problems with his faith." Isn't he Portuguese? | |||
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"I can't beleive not one single player had come out yet, if Ronaldo is gay and comes out it may well lead to a flood of others, it's no big deal.. Well it would lower his earning potential Why?. Your earning potential always go down if your a mass market person, why do you think none of them come out! The greatest player of a generation will lose income, what tosh! This is 2015 not 1970! gay or straight Ronaldo is and will remain football's hottest ticket! " . That's just nonsense Why do you honestly think Hollywood stars or footballers don't come out... Fear of upsetting folk, it's bleeding football, they rape girls, steal,rig matches, serial adulteries. No it's money, they KNOW there income goes down | |||
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"In Spain? I doubt it. Although if he's Catholic he's going to have problems with his faith. Isn't he Portuguese? " Yes he is. | |||
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"In Spain? I doubt it. Although if he's Catholic he's going to have problems with his faith. Isn't he Portuguese? Yes he is." I know. He plays for a Spanish team. | |||
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"I can't beleive not one single player had come out yet, if Ronaldo is gay and comes out it may well lead to a flood of others, it's no big deal.. Well it would lower his earning potential In Spain? I doubt it. Although if he's Catholic he's going to have problems with his faith.. Football's global... It moved on after bobby Charlton
He plays for Portugal and a Spanish team, and is paid by them.
He may also suffer some sponsorship problems, but as he probably has Scrooge McDuck-like piles of money, he should be OK.". Which is why most of them come out once there careers over! He might play for Madrid but they sell shirts world wide, what do you think would happen to shirt sales in the Islamic world ... There's 1.6 billon of them you know! | |||
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"He might play for Madrid but they sell shirts world wide, what do you think would happen to shirt sales in the Islamic world ... There's 1.6 billon of them you know!" Is he a counter terrorist? | |||
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"I can't beleive not one single player had come out yet, if Ronaldo is gay and comes out it may well lead to a flood of others, it's no big deal.. Well it would lower his earning potential Why?. Your earning potential always go down if your a mass market person, why do you think none of them come out! The greatest player of a generation will lose income, what tosh! This is 2015 not 1970! gay or straight Ronaldo is and will remain football's hottest ticket! . That's just nonsense Why do you honestly think Hollywood stars or footballers don't come out... Fear of upsetting folk, it's bleeding football, they rape girls, steal,rig matches, serial adulteries. No it's money, they KNOW there income goes down" I reckon with the right commercial management the first out gay player could cash in on it big style! The pink pound is very strong. | |||
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"I can't beleive not one single player had come out yet, if Ronaldo is gay and comes out it may well lead to a flood of others, it's no big deal.. Well it would lower his earning potential Why?. Your earning potential always go down if your a mass market person, why do you think none of them come out! The greatest player of a generation will lose income, what tosh! This is 2015 not 1970! gay or straight Ronaldo is and will remain football's hottest ticket! . That's just nonsense Why do you honestly think Hollywood stars or footballers don't come out... Fear of upsetting folk, it's bleeding football, they rape girls, steal,rig matches, serial adulteries. No it's money, they KNOW there income goes down" Wow! amazing statement! given that level of mindless generalisation I bow to your knowledge of the pro footballer psyche. Team Ronaldo is a cash juggernaut, NOTHING will de-rail it! | |||
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"I can't beleive not one single player had come out yet, if Ronaldo is gay and comes out it may well lead to a flood of others, it's no big deal.. Well it would lower his earning potential Why?. Your earning potential always go down if your a mass market person, why do you think none of them come out! The greatest player of a generation will lose income, what tosh! This is 2015 not 1970! gay or straight Ronaldo is and will remain football's hottest ticket! . That's just nonsense Why do you honestly think Hollywood stars or footballers don't come out... Fear of upsetting folk, it's bleeding football, they rape girls, steal,rig matches, serial adulteries. No it's money, they KNOW there income goes down I reckon with the right commercial management the first out gay player could cash in on it big style! The pink pound is very strong. " . It's demographics... More people means more earning potential, it's really not rocket science. Trust me amongst the wealthy... Coming out really really ain't a big fucking deal. In the REAL world it hammers your earnings | |||
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"I can't beleive not one single player had come out yet, if Ronaldo is gay and comes out it may well lead to a flood of others, it's no big deal.. Well it would lower his earning potential Why?. Your earning potential always go down if your a mass market person, why do you think none of them come out! The greatest player of a generation will lose income, what tosh! This is 2015 not 1970! gay or straight Ronaldo is and will remain football's hottest ticket! . That's just nonsense Why do you honestly think Hollywood stars or footballers don't come out... Fear of upsetting folk, it's bleeding football, they rape girls, steal,rig matches, serial adulteries. No it's money, they KNOW there income goes down Wow! amazing statement! given that level of mindless generalisation I bow to your knowledge of the pro footballer psyche. Team Ronaldo is a cash juggernaut, NOTHING will de-rail it! " . Ok , so tell me why do you think he publicly doesn't come out? | |||
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"He might play for Madrid but they sell shirts world wide, what do you think would happen to shirt sales in the Islamic world ... There's 1.6 billon of them you know!" And not all of them will care, and not all of them will have Ronaldo shirts. Anyway, its a moot point. He hasn't come out yet. | |||
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"I didn't ever have to publicly declare that I was straight I'm not sure why anybody should be required to declare that they're gay. You trying being a minority. Despite living in London, every week a LGBTQI friend of mine is abused in this city for simply being who they are. We may have equal marriage rights now but on the streets, it's getting no better. The more queer issues are out in the open, the more they become non issues and those different from the majority are accepted. I still don't think that anyone should be required to come out. Agreed. It's not and shouldn't be anyone's business. But as long as people are being persecuted, we need good public role models" If he's a role model for being gay, then great. If he's a role model for a great sportsman / footballer then great. But being gay and great footballer? No. Because being gay doesn't make you great at football. And being great at football doesn't make you gay. Gender identity, gender or sexuality has nothing to do with how great you can be and what you can achieve. And it doesn't stop you from being admired the world over. That's what I hope everyone could learn from Ronaldo. | |||
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"He might play for Madrid but they sell shirts world wide, what do you think would happen to shirt sales in the Islamic world ... There's 1.6 billon of them you know! And not all of them will care, and not all of them will have Ronaldo shirts. Anyway, its a moot point. He hasn't come out yet." . No not all of them will care, but a very large amount of them will. | |||
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"I've never liked him as a footballer and have no idea what he's up to these days, but did he need some publicity?" He's got a film out. | |||
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"I've never liked him as a footballer and have no idea what he's up to these days, but did he need some publicity? He's got a film out. " Ahhhhh | |||
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"I can't beleive not one single player had come out yet, if Ronaldo is gay and comes out it may well lead to a flood of others, it's no big deal.. Well it would lower his earning potential Why?. Your earning potential always go down if your a mass market person, why do you think none of them come out! The greatest player of a generation will lose income, what tosh! This is 2015 not 1970! gay or straight Ronaldo is and will remain football's hottest ticket! . That's just nonsense Why do you honestly think Hollywood stars or footballers don't come out... Fear of upsetting folk, it's bleeding football, they rape girls, steal,rig matches, serial adulteries. No it's money, they KNOW there income goes down Wow! amazing statement! given that level of mindless generalisation I bow to your knowledge of the pro footballer psyche. Team Ronaldo is a cash juggernaut, NOTHING will de-rail it! . Ok , so tell me why do you think he publicly doesn't come out?" Why should he? it's HIS business and PRIVATE LIFE, we don't advertise we swing! | |||
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"I can't beleive not one single player had come out yet, if Ronaldo is gay and comes out it may well lead to a flood of others, it's no big deal.. Well it would lower his earning potential Why?. Your earning potential always go down if your a mass market person, why do you think none of them come out! The greatest player of a generation will lose income, what tosh! This is 2015 not 1970! gay or straight Ronaldo is and will remain football's hottest ticket! . That's just nonsense Why do you honestly think Hollywood stars or footballers don't come out... Fear of upsetting folk, it's bleeding football, they rape girls, steal,rig matches, serial adulteries. No it's money, they KNOW there income goes down Wow! amazing statement! given that level of mindless generalisation I bow to your knowledge of the pro footballer psyche. Team Ronaldo is a cash juggernaut, NOTHING will de-rail it! . Ok , so tell me why do you think he publicly doesn't come out? Why should he? it's HIS business and PRIVATE LIFE, we don't advertise we swing! " . Your just being deliberately slippery because your wrong! Fashion designers near enough all come out... Why do you think that is! | |||
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"I can't beleive not one single player had come out yet, if Ronaldo is gay and comes out it may well lead to a flood of others, it's no big deal.. Well it would lower his earning potential Why?. Your earning potential always go down if your a mass market person, why do you think none of them come out! The greatest player of a generation will lose income, what tosh! This is 2015 not 1970! gay or straight Ronaldo is and will remain football's hottest ticket! . That's just nonsense Why do you honestly think Hollywood stars or footballers don't come out... Fear of upsetting folk, it's bleeding football, they rape girls, steal,rig matches, serial adulteries. No it's money, they KNOW there income goes down Wow! amazing statement! given that level of mindless generalisation I bow to your knowledge of the pro footballer psyche. Team Ronaldo is a cash juggernaut, NOTHING will de-rail it! . Ok , so tell me why do you think he publicly doesn't come out? Why should he? it's HIS business and PRIVATE LIFE, we don't advertise we swing! . Your just being deliberately slippery because your wrong! Fashion designers near enough all come out... Why do you think that is!" Wrong? you mean i don't subscribe to your point of view! | |||
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"I can't beleive not one single player had come out yet, if Ronaldo is gay and comes out it may well lead to a flood of others, it's no big deal.. Well it would lower his earning potential Why?. Your earning potential always go down if your a mass market person, why do you think none of them come out! The greatest player of a generation will lose income, what tosh! This is 2015 not 1970! gay or straight Ronaldo is and will remain football's hottest ticket! . That's just nonsense Why do you honestly think Hollywood stars or footballers don't come out... Fear of upsetting folk, it's bleeding football, they rape girls, steal,rig matches, serial adulteries. No it's money, they KNOW there income goes down Wow! amazing statement! given that level of mindless generalisation I bow to your knowledge of the pro footballer psyche. Team Ronaldo is a cash juggernaut, NOTHING will de-rail it! . Ok , so tell me why do you think he publicly doesn't come out? Why should he? it's HIS business and PRIVATE LIFE, we don't advertise we swing! . Your just being deliberately slippery because your wrong! Fashion designers near enough all come out... Why do you think that is! Wrong? you mean i don't subscribe to your point of view! " . No you just don't have any answers to the questions to show we have different points of views! Let's get back to the original point that you highlighted... I said they don't come out because it lowers there earning potential.. You asked why? I answered you as to why Let's forget going any further as your obviously not open to debate | |||
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"I can't beleive not one single player had come out yet, if Ronaldo is gay and comes out it may well lead to a flood of others, it's no big deal.. Well it would lower his earning potential In Spain? I doubt it. Although if he's Catholic he's going to have problems with his faith." Not really, Pope Francis has better things to worry about and has done a lot to try and move away from his predecessor's attitude. Sure the Church ain't gay friendly but as someone said earlier, neither are the streets on most cities either. | |||
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"I can't beleive not one single player had come out yet, if Ronaldo is gay and comes out it may well lead to a flood of others, it's no big deal.. Well it would lower his earning potential In Spain? I doubt it. Although if he's Catholic he's going to have problems with his faith. Not really, Pope Francis has better things to worry about and has done a lot to try and move away from his predecessor's attitude. Sure the Church ain't gay friendly but as someone said earlier, neither are the streets on most cities either. " But the streets don't profess to be the home of compassion and charity. | |||
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"I can't beleive not one single player had come out yet, if Ronaldo is gay and comes out it may well lead to a flood of others, it's no big deal.. Well it would lower his earning potential In Spain? I doubt it. Although if he's Catholic he's going to have problems with his faith. Not really, Pope Francis has better things to worry about and has done a lot to try and move away from his predecessor's attitude. Sure the Church ain't gay friendly but as someone said earlier, neither are the streets on most cities either. But the streets don't profess to be the home of compassion and charity. " Catholics don't profess to be free of sin / perfect | |||
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"I can't beleive not one single player had come out yet, if Ronaldo is gay and comes out it may well lead to a flood of others, it's no big deal.. Well it would lower his earning potential In Spain? I doubt it. Although if he's Catholic he's going to have problems with his faith. Not really, Pope Francis has better things to worry about and has done a lot to try and move away from his predecessor's attitude. Sure the Church ain't gay friendly but as someone said earlier, neither are the streets on most cities either. But the streets don't profess to be the home of compassion and charity. Catholics don't profess to be free of sin / perfect" Not sure what that has to do with the fact that a forgiving god is a homophobe. | |||
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"I can't beleive not one single player had come out yet, if Ronaldo is gay and comes out it may well lead to a flood of others, it's no big deal.. Well it would lower his earning potential In Spain? I doubt it. Although if he's Catholic he's going to have problems with his faith. Not really, Pope Francis has better things to worry about and has done a lot to try and move away from his predecessor's attitude. Sure the Church ain't gay friendly but as someone said earlier, neither are the streets on most cities either. But the streets don't profess to be the home of compassion and charity. Catholics don't profess to be free of sin / perfect Not sure what that has to do with the fact that a forgiving god is a homophobe." Not sure what you are refering to really. I simply commented that the head of that organisation has stated publically that gays should not be judged and he's met plenty of openly gay people and treated them just fine. Hardly a roaring homophobe. | |||
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"I can't beleive not one single player had come out yet, if Ronaldo is gay and comes out it may well lead to a flood of others, it's no big deal.. Well it would lower his earning potential In Spain? I doubt it. Although if he's Catholic he's going to have problems with his faith. Not really, Pope Francis has better things to worry about and has done a lot to try and move away from his predecessor's attitude. Sure the Church ain't gay friendly but as someone said earlier, neither are the streets on most cities either. " . That's true, he actual belives in evolution which is more than can be said for alot of his flock or his god  | |||
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"I can't beleive not one single player had come out yet, if Ronaldo is gay and comes out it may well lead to a flood of others, it's no big deal.. Well it would lower his earning potential Why?. Your earning potential always go down if your a mass market person, why do you think none of them come out! The greatest player of a generation will lose income, what tosh! This is 2015 not 1970! gay or straight Ronaldo is and will remain football's hottest ticket! . That's just nonsense Why do you honestly think Hollywood stars or footballers don't come out... Fear of upsetting folk, it's bleeding football, they rape girls, steal,rig matches, serial adulteries. No it's money, they KNOW there income goes down I reckon with the right commercial management the first out gay player could cash in on it big style! The pink pound is very strong. " As someone said earlier he is not the first, Justin fashanu was the first I remember in the early 1990's he had to endure some abhorrent behaviour from some fans. I remember being at a match with the whole crowd singing ' he's black, he's bent, he's arse is up for rent, fashanu,fashanu' This went on for pretty much the whole game. Poor sod eventually hung himself it was that bad. Sadly a lot of football fans are still as bigoted today as they were then. If it is true I cannot see it ending his career but I can see it harming his merchandising revenue and he is probably in for huge amounts of abuse from fans of rival teams. | |||
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"I can't beleive not one single player had come out yet, if Ronaldo is gay and comes out it may well lead to a flood of others, it's no big deal.. Well it would lower his earning potential In Spain? I doubt it. Although if he's Catholic he's going to have problems with his faith. Not really, Pope Francis has better things to worry about and has done a lot to try and move away from his predecessor's attitude. Sure the Church ain't gay friendly but as someone said earlier, neither are the streets on most cities either. . That's true, he actual belives in evolution which is more than can be said for alot of his flock or his god "The Catholic Church has been fine with evolution since 1950! Creationists are far more likely to be protestants. I wasn't aware there were many creationists outside the USA but that's more because I haven't met more than 1 here. But then again I haven't been looking either... | |||
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"I thought that was why his son's mother is unknown and not in their lives. Why is it football (and other high profile largely male-dominated sports) can't get to grips with some of them being gay? Rugby seems to have managed fine, and they're manlier by far." managed fine, - really? I haven't heard of many gay rugby players! | |||
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"I can't beleive not one single player had come out yet, if Ronaldo is gay and comes out it may well lead to a flood of others, it's no big deal.. Well it would lower his earning potential Why?. Your earning potential always go down if your a mass market person, why do you think none of them come out! The greatest player of a generation will lose income, what tosh! This is 2015 not 1970! gay or straight Ronaldo is and will remain football's hottest ticket! " If anything it will sky rocket... It'll be front page news, book deals, brands trying to catch the coat tails etc. | |||
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"I thought that was why his son's mother is unknown and not in their lives. Why is it football (and other high profile largely male-dominated sports) can't get to grips with some of them being gay? Rugby seems to have managed fine, and they're manlier by far. managed fine, - really? I haven't heard of many gay rugby players!" Gareth Thomas (first Welsh RU) Sam Stanley (first English RU) and Keegan Hirst (first British RL). Homophobia in sport, particularly male dominated sports, is still endemic and needs to be addressed as openly as racism has. Prejudice and ignorance go hand in hand and sports people can do a lot to assist with education and leadership in this area | |||
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"I can't beleive not one single player had come out yet, if Ronaldo is gay and comes out it may well lead to a flood of others, it's no big deal.. Well it would lower his earning potential In Spain? I doubt it. Although if he's Catholic he's going to have problems with his faith. Not really, Pope Francis has better things to worry about and has done a lot to try and move away from his predecessor's attitude. Sure the Church ain't gay friendly but as someone said earlier, neither are the streets on most cities either. . That's true, he actual belives in evolution which is more than can be said for alot of his flock or his god
The Catholic Church has been fine with evolution since 1950! Creationists are far more likely to be protestants. I wasn't aware there were many creationists outside the USA but that's more because I haven't met more than 1 here. But then again I haven't been looking either... ". That's not exactly true, they just said it wasn't forbidden for humans to enquire into natural sciences and declared a neutral position on it! It wasn't until the 90s that jp declared that evolution was an accepted scientific fact and even up until a few years ago the bishop in charge of the Vatican's science department had to send memos to bishops to say that evolution should be taught in school alongside the presumption that evolution doesn't effect the position of the soul. | |||
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"I can't beleive not one single player had come out yet, if Ronaldo is gay and comes out it may well lead to a flood of others, it's no big deal.. Well it would lower his earning potential In Spain? I doubt it. Although if he's Catholic he's going to have problems with his faith. Not really, Pope Francis has better things to worry about and has done a lot to try and move away from his predecessor's attitude. Sure the Church ain't gay friendly but as someone said earlier, neither are the streets on most cities either. . That's true, he actual belives in evolution which is more than can be said for alot of his flock or his god
The Catholic Church has been fine with evolution since 1950! Creationists are far more likely to be protestants. I wasn't aware there were many creationists outside the USA but that's more because I haven't met more than 1 here. But then again I haven't been looking either... .
That's not exactly true, they just said it wasn't forbidden for humans to enquire into natural sciences and declared a neutral position on it!
It wasn't until the 90s that jp declared that evolution was an accepted scientific fact and even up until a few years ago the bishop in charge of the Vatican's science department had to send memos to bishops to say that evolution should be taught in school alongside the presumption that evolution doesn't effect the position of the soul."Good points, well made. I believe the exact wording was "no contradiction" between faith and evolution so 'neutral' as you say / 'fine with it' in my words. Now that we've settled that, the important unanswered question is whether Ronaldo is top or bottom? | |||
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"I can't beleive not one single player had come out yet, if Ronaldo is gay and comes out it may well lead to a flood of others, it's no big deal.. Well it would lower his earning potential In Spain? I doubt it. Although if he's Catholic he's going to have problems with his faith. Not really, Pope Francis has better things to worry about and has done a lot to try and move away from his predecessor's attitude. Sure the Church ain't gay friendly but as someone said earlier, neither are the streets on most cities either. . That's true, he actual belives in evolution which is more than can be said for alot of his flock or his god
The Catholic Church has been fine with evolution since 1950! Creationists are far more likely to be protestants. I wasn't aware there were many creationists outside the USA but that's more because I haven't met more than 1 here. But then again I haven't been looking either... .
That's not exactly true, they just said it wasn't forbidden for humans to enquire into natural sciences and declared a neutral position on it!
It wasn't until the 90s that jp declared that evolution was an accepted scientific fact and even up until a few years ago the bishop in charge of the Vatican's science department had to send memos to bishops to say that evolution should be taught in school alongside the presumption that evolution doesn't effect the position of the soul.
Good points, well made. I believe the exact wording was "no contradiction" between faith and evolution so 'neutral' as you say / 'fine with it' in my words.
Now that we've settled that, the important unanswered question is whether Ronaldo is top or bottom? ". Lol he's quite likely to be described as bi most likely, I'm not really bothered who he's in love with quite frankly, he's still my favourite footballer right there with zz. My point was I don't really think he's bothered about coming out or staying in, there's very few people who are homophobic these days(in most western democracies) and the ones that are, are really not worth bothering with. My point about demographics and earnings still stand regardless of homophobia, and I don't think that's him personally but he'll have advisors who tell him what to do and what not to do. | |||
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" Now that we've settled that, the important unanswered question is whether Ronaldo is top or bottom? . Lol he's quite likely to be described as bi most likely, I'm not really bothered who he's in love with quite frankly, he's still my favourite footballer right there with zz. My point was I don't really think he's bothered about coming out or staying in, there's very few people who are homophobic these days(in most western democracies) and the ones that are, are really not worth bothering with. My point about demographics and earnings still stand regardless of homophobia, and I don't think that's him personally but he'll have advisors who tell him what to do and what not to do. " I'm more concerned with whether or not we would approach him at Ab Fabs, I like him as a bottom but things could get awkward if he wanted to be top. | |||
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" Now that we've settled that, the important unanswered question is whether Ronaldo is top or bottom? . Lol he's quite likely to be described as bi most likely, I'm not really bothered who he's in love with quite frankly, he's still my favourite footballer right there with zz. My point was I don't really think he's bothered about coming out or staying in, there's very few people who are homophobic these days(in most western democracies) and the ones that are, are really not worth bothering with. My point about demographics and earnings still stand regardless of homophobia, and I don't think that's him personally but he'll have advisors who tell him what to do and what not to do. I'm more concerned with whether or not we would approach him at Ab Fabs, I like him as a bottom but things could get awkward if he wanted to be top." . I'm behind the times on the bottom and top thing! What's the rules again? | |||
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"I didn't ever have to publicly declare that I was straight I'm not sure why anybody should be required to declare that they're gay." They shouldn't but they shouldn't feel the need to hide it either. Which is kind of the point being made ....... . | |||
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"I didn't ever have to publicly declare that I was straight I'm not sure why anybody should be required to declare that they're gay. They shouldn't but they shouldn't feel the need to hide it either. Which is kind of the point being made ....... . "Yep. I think that your sexual orientation should just be accepted so if you want to talk about you do and if you don't...you don't.  | |||
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" Now that we've settled that, the important unanswered question is whether Ronaldo is top or bottom? . Lol he's quite likely to be described as bi most likely, I'm not really bothered who he's in love with quite frankly, he's still my favourite footballer right there with zz. My point was I don't really think he's bothered about coming out or staying in, there's very few people who are homophobic these days(in most western democracies) and the ones that are, are really not worth bothering with. My point about demographics and earnings still stand regardless of homophobia, and I don't think that's him personally but he'll have advisors who tell him what to do and what not to do. I'm more concerned with whether or not we would approach him at Ab Fabs, I like him as a bottom but things could get awkward if he wanted to be top.. I'm behind the times on the bottom and top thing! What's the rules again?" Top is the train, bottom is the tunnel | |||
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" Now that we've settled that, the important unanswered question is whether Ronaldo is top or bottom? . Lol he's quite likely to be described as bi most likely, I'm not really bothered who he's in love with quite frankly, he's still my favourite footballer right there with zz. My point was I don't really think he's bothered about coming out or staying in, there's very few people who are homophobic these days(in most western democracies) and the ones that are, are really not worth bothering with. My point about demographics and earnings still stand regardless of homophobia, and I don't think that's him personally but he'll have advisors who tell him what to do and what not to do. I'm more concerned with whether or not we would approach him at Ab Fabs, I like him as a bottom but things could get awkward if he wanted to be top.. I'm behind the times on the bottom and top thing! What's the rules again? Top is the train, bottom is the tunnel ".Aha Choo choo got yer. Well I'm thinking he's far too pretty in his mind to be the tunnel and would most definitely prefer the train as that would at least force somebody to look at him!... Although I might have confused myself.. I seen to think the pretty ones are the female side and the butcher ones the male, so unless his boyfriend is a real bobby dazzler I guess that makes him the tunnel?. | |||
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