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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

One of the best speeches Parliament has seen in many years? A potential Labour leader?

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

I must admit I always thought he was a bit wet but I have to take my hat off to him for yesterday's speech.

Next leader? Quite possible, and he would be a damn site more electable than Comrade Jezza.

Only two problems though.

A) Does he want it?

B) Will labour ditch Corbyn?

On the first one. With the right timing I could see him going for it.

On the second one. The membership of the Labour party has lurched to hard left and I think they will need a couple of good hammering's at the polls before they would be ready for that.

Let's see what happens in Oldham today.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not a patch on his father

A true statesman whose briliance was much overlooked because of his socialist thinking.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Yes, he was very much staking something out there.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Highly unusual for applause to be heard in the house, even more unusual for it to be from all sides for a Labour politician. A truly remarkable speech by a conviction politician who seems a whole lot more credible than Corbyn.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Listened to it in full this morning, great speech

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Not a patch on his father

A true statesman whose briliance was much overlooked because of his socialist thinking.

Benn senior will go down as one of the best politicians of his age, if Benn junior can be half as successful he will have done a good job.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Not a patch on his father

A true statesman whose briliance was much overlooked because of his socialist thinking.

Benn senior will go down as one of the best politicians of his age, if Benn junior can be half as successful he will have done a good job."

Benn junior sounded very hawkish and I didn't like the tone at all. Good speech but...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Not a patch on his father

A true statesman whose briliance was much overlooked because of his socialist thinking.

Benn senior will go down as one of the best politicians of his age, if Benn junior can be half as successful he will have done a good job.

Benn junior sounded very hawkish and I didn't like the tone at all. Good speech but..."

I think his tone was about right but I guess it depends on which side of the argument you stand. It is by no means a black and white situation. All we can ask of our politicians is that they take these decisions having given due thought to their vote, and I thought Benn gave by far the most eloquent and persuasive argument of the day.

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

"Not a patch on his father

A true statesman whose briliance was much overlooked because of his socialist thinking.

His father only got two things right. The telecom tower and Concorde.

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london

"One of the best speeches Parliament has seen in many years? A potential Labour leader?"

But will Putin give him the job?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where I think the Corbyn lot's "new politics" thing misses the point is that politics to me is a lot about leadership. Convincing people, inspiring them and bringing them along with your vision. It isn't shallow and personality-based politics to want MPs and ministers who can do that. To get applause in the house from all sides is almost unheard of. Not sure about Benn for leadership material but it was a very, very powerful speech.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I must admit I always thought he was a bit wet but I have to take my hat off to him for yesterday's speech.

Next leader? Quite possible, and he would be a damn site more electable than Comrade Jezza.

Only two problems though.

A) Does he want it?

B) Will labour ditch Corbyn?

On the first one. With the right timing I could see him going for it.

On the second one. The membership of the Labour party has lurched to hard left and I think they will need a couple of good hammering's at the polls before they would be ready for that.

Let's see what happens in Oldham today.

One of the best if no the best speech I have ever heard

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

His dad must be spinning in his grave.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"His dad must be spinning in his grave."

Yeah. It's not quite right somehow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"His dad must be spinning in his grave."

Remembering his Dads speech prior to the involvement in Iraq, I can only agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"His dad must be spinning in his grave.

Remembering his Dads speech prior to the involvement in Iraq, I can only agree

https://youtu.be/HfXmpJRZPYI

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Should people follow in their Fathers footsteps?

His Dad stood up to what he believed in no matter how it was received in the party and so has his son. In that respect the Apple has not fallen that far from the tree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It couldn't have been easy for him with his family history and so many Pacifists behind him but fair play to the man he believes in what hes says is the right thing.

good job we didn't pussy about with Hitler otherwise you certainly wouldn't be chatting on a site like this and all your freedoms that our brave men and women gave their lives for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It couldn't have been easy for him with his family history and so many Pacifists behind him but fair play to the man he believes in what hes says is the right thing.

good job we didn't pussy about with Hitler otherwise you certainly wouldn't be chatting on a site like this and all your freedoms that our brave men and women gave their lives for."

Don't know about that Hitler was a bit of a freak between the sheets apparently.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Should people follow in their Fathers footsteps?

His Dad stood up to what he believed in no matter how it was received in the party and so has his son. In that respect the Apple has not fallen that far from the tree. "

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london

He would make a lovely husband for Corbyn

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should people follow in their Fathers footsteps?

His Dad stood up to what he believed in no matter how it was received in the party and so has his son. In that respect the Apple has not fallen that far from the tree.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

I pity a man called Hillary almost as much as I pity a boy called Sue

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

"His dad must be spinning in his grave.

Yeah. It's not quite right somehow"

Given that his dad was politically speaking a failure of the hard left maybe Hilary has learnt something about looking at reality unlike the Corbyn who manages to make both Tories and SNP look good yesterday. A true loser

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"His dad must be spinning in his grave.

Yeah. It's not quite right somehow

Or a politician true to his principals

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

"His dad must be spinning in his grave.

Yeah. It's not quite right somehow

Or a politician true to his principals "

A politician needs to win votes or debates or lead his party ffs. Oldham will be interesting

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

Principles are for voters to make decisions and activists to justify their existing bias either left or right or nationalist or whatever odd party they cling too. Politicians should know better.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

it was a good speech and aimed as much at the wider Labour membership as much as it was about his fellow Parliamentarians..

would rather have people of convictions any day than the flim flammery of Blair and Cameron etc..

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"His dad must be spinning in his grave.

Yeah. It's not quite right somehow

Or a politician true to his principals "

NO. I thought so at one time but it is now becoming apparent that Corbyn's principles are really double standards.

A man happy to support the killers of innocent British civilians but the first to condemn Britain fighting back against its enemy's.

NO. He wouldn't know a real principle if it slapped him in the eye.

Although Tony Benn was wrong on most things at least he was a real man of principle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tony Benn had an innate style for sure.

Killer Braces and matching pipe. And he took afternoon tea whenever he damn well pleased.

He also genuinely cared about the little guy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are currently many questions about the leadership of the Labour Party.

Hilary Benn is the answer to none of them.

Nice leadership pitch though

p.s. Last politician who got such cross-party applause in the House? Tony Blair on the eve of the Iraq War.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

Strong speech from Benn, because he reminded us that Isis aren't simply a terrorist group avenging Western hegemony...but a 'state' intent on imposing their world view through the gun and bomb.

Remember, the Paris pop concert was targeted because it represented to them the decadence of the Western culture

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By *indys loverCouple
over a year ago

Stratford on avon

didnt hear the speech , anyone want to tell me what he roughly said

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

being skilled in oratory doesn't make him correct by default .... hitler was a good orator but his arguements were just as flawed as benns were yesterday

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"being skilled in oratory doesn't make him correct by default .... hitler was a good orator but his arguements were just as flawed as benns were yesterday"

True about oratory and correctness, but whether you feel his arguments where right or wrong will depend on your personal views on the situation, what can't be argued is that he put his views across magnificently!

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

"being skilled in oratory doesn't make him correct by default .... hitler was a good orator but his arguements were just as flawed as benns were yesterday"

So now all labour MP have to be as bad as McDonnell when making a case in Parliament ?

Maybe you could come up with what you want UK to do instead of this momentum spin bollocks. Then at least some respect might be due.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Tony Benn had an innate style for sure.

Killer Braces and matching pipe. And he took afternoon tea whenever he damn well pleased.

He also genuinely cared about the little guy. "

*pipe smoker of the year 1992.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"being skilled in oratory doesn't make him correct by default .... hitler was a good orator but his arguements were just as flawed as benns were yesterday

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"being skilled in oratory doesn't make him correct by default .... hitler was a good orator but his arguements were just as flawed as benns were yesterday

So now all labour MP have to be as bad as McDonnell when making a case in Parliament ?

Maybe you could come up with what you want UK to do instead of this momentum spin bollocks. Then at least some respect might be due. "

I fear it's to late,some people will argue black is white right up until the point get hit on a zebra crossing. If Labour want to be elected again politicians such as Benn are the future. If they want to pretend they're a reactionary student union then keep the current idiot.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"being skilled in oratory doesn't make him correct by default .... hitler was a good orator but his arguements were just as flawed as benns were yesterday"

if only Corbyn had half his delivery then maybe his passion would come through..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Tony Benn had an innate style for sure.

Killer Braces and matching pipe. And he took afternoon tea whenever he damn well pleased.

He also genuinely cared about the little guy.

*pipe smoker of the year 1992.

Now that's a dapper accolade

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The best bit was the look of discomfort and hatred on Corbyn's face during the speech and the fact he was pushed out of the way when Benn sat down as people congratulated him.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"didnt hear the speech , anyone want to tell me what he roughly said "

You can watch it on YouTube.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"His dad must be spinning in his grave.

Yeah. It's not quite right somehow

Or a politician true to his principals

NO. I thought so at one time but it is now becoming apparent that Corbyn's principles are really double standards.

A man happy to support the killers of innocent British civilians but the first to condemn Britain fighting back against its enemy's.

NO. He wouldn't know a real principle if it slapped him in the eye.

Although Tony Benn was wrong on most things at least he was a real man of principle. "

I agree Corbyn doesn't have principles. If he does then he doesn't stick to them. Before he became Labour leader it was well known that he was a eurosceptic, then once he becomes Labour leader he does a u-turn and says Britain should remain in the EU. Wishy washy at best really.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"being skilled in oratory doesn't make him correct by default .... hitler was a good orator but his arguements were just as flawed as benns were yesterday

So now all labour MP have to be as bad as McDonnell when making a case in Parliament ?

Maybe you could come up with what you want UK to do instead of this momentum spin bollocks. Then at least some respect might be due. "

i don't need to

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"I fear it's to late,some people will argue black is white right up until the point get hit on a zebra crossing. "

it's clear you've been spread across the tarmac like a lump of stawberry jam since you first posted on the site forum if that's what you believe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I fear it's to late,some people will argue black is white right up until the point get hit on a zebra crossing.

it's clear you've been spread across the tarmac like a lump of stawberry jam since you first posted on the site forum if that's what you believe."

How so?

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

"being skilled in oratory doesn't make him correct by default .... hitler was a good orator but his arguements were just as flawed as benns were yesterday

So now all labour MP have to be as bad as McDonnell when making a case in Parliament ?

Maybe you could come up with what you want UK to do instead of this momentum spin bollocks. Then at least some respect might be due.

i don't need to"

That is true and I don't need to listen to people who have no clue

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"One of the best speeches Parliament has seen in many years? A potential Labour leader?"

I thought Hilary Benn's speech was very good. The best speech of the day by a country mile. Well deserved round of applause after and it was also plain to see Corbyn looking uncomfortable and squirming in his seat in the background while Benn was talking. Interesting to see what happens in the Oldham by-election later today.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"Maybe you could come up with what you want UK to do instead of this momentum spin bollocks. Then at least some respect might be due.

i don't need to

That is true and I don't need to listen to people who have no clue

which is exactly why you're opinion is ignored by most folk on here

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By *est Wales WifeCouple
over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

Or a politician true to his principals "

Some priciples two weeks before he gave an interview to the Independent on Sunday when he said it was

“even more important that we bring the Syrian civil war to an end” before considering strikes on Isis.

So yet another politician who can't be trusted as for dodgy Dave he was wanting to bomb the other side two years ago. No wonder people are cynical about them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe you could come up with what you want UK to do instead of this momentum spin bollocks. Then at least some respect might be due.

i don't need to

That is true and I don't need to listen to people who have no clue

which is exactly why you're opinion is ignored by most folk on here"

Can you prove that?

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

Or a politician true to his principals

Some priciples two weeks before he gave an interview to the Independent on Sunday when he said it was

“even more important that we bring the Syrian civil war to an end” before considering strikes on Isis.

So yet another politician who can't be trusted as for dodgy Dave he was wanting to bomb the other side two years ago. No wonder people are cynical about them."

Where to start ?

Maybe the UN resolution calling for all nations to tackle ISIS. Then there is the call to stand by our main European miltary ally France. In addition the UK is also committed to the Vienna negotiations for a Syria ceasefire and political settlement. That was all in the motion voted on yesterday

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

"Maybe you could come up with what you want UK to do instead of this momentum spin bollocks. Then at least some respect might be due.

i don't need to

That is true and I don't need to listen to people who have no clue

which is exactly why you're opinion is ignored by most folk on here"

That is true

most wise too !

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By *ittletonCplCouple
over a year ago

cannock

Sorry - but i thought he was a twat. Not impressed. Bully and jealous. I like no trident, no war and social mobility. Prioritise on the important things .. I warm to Corbyn

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

This thread makes interesting reading, no surprises at all as to exactly who in Fab gets sucked in by Hilary Benn's disgusting militaristic wind.

We won't bother starting the thread about Oldham until tomorrow...but red faces all round for the anti-Corbynistas, just as predicted

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london

"The best bit was the look of discomfort and hatred on Corbyn's face during the speech and the fact he was pushed out of the way when Benn sat down as people congratulated him."

One shit kicked off the toilet by another.

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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago

lytham st.annes

"The best bit was the look of discomfort and hatred on Corbyn's face during the speech and the fact he was pushed out of the way when Benn sat down as people congratulated him.

One shit kicked off the toilet by another."
. Was you sat next to him then ?

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

It was a good speech and well argued. He gave the oppositions legitimacy to go to war.

The the speech itself though was inflammatory. Everybody knows we will not defeat IS by air. Bombing cities will only create more hostility and more displaced persons.

Syrians will not be able to move back as their cities will be blown to pieces. The oil that did power what was left of their most basic commodities will now be cut off.

For some reason there is an old hand being given to this 21st century problem. Why accounts, funding or arms haven't been seized. Governments haven't been approached, coerced or forced to stop their involvement with IS. Boarder controls heightened, known cells raided or interrogated, should surely be options less devastating than to destroy the country itself?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think this thread shows just how people are influenced by the media!

Not one single person who sang his praise on here has ever said anything good or even noticed he's there until the well publicised speech!.

Personally I think benn has lived high on the hog of his father's reputation of a man of principle, something benn jr has never been.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think this thread shows just how people are influenced by the media!

Not one single person who sang his praise on here has ever said anything good or even noticed he's there until the well publicised speech!.

Personally I think benn has lived high on the hog of his father's reputation of a man of principle, something benn jr has never been."

You know the entire conversational history of every single poster on this thread for the entirety of their lives? Blimey

Personally I didn't particularly have any strong views either way. But I watched the last couple of hours of the debate live and that was a stand out for me. I didn't have to be "told" that is was. Though Tim Farron was good too. Credit people with forming their own opinions occasionally, even if you disagree.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I think this thread shows just how people are influenced by the media!

Not one single person who sang his praise on here has ever said anything good or even noticed he's there until the well publicised speech!.

Personally I think benn has lived high on the hog of his father's reputation of a man of principle, something benn jr has never been."

you reached that wrong conclusion in 7 days..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think this thread shows just how people are influenced by the media!

Not one single person who sang his praise on here has ever said anything good or even noticed he's there until the well publicised speech!.

Personally I think benn has lived high on the hog of his father's reputation of a man of principle, something benn jr has never been.

You know the entire conversational history of every single poster on this thread for the entirety of their lives? Blimey

My views on benn Jr I stated, there based on his 12+ years in politics, I'm unlikely to change my opinion from one speech!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

wish we had another enoch powell

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think this thread shows just how people are influenced by the media!

Not one single person who sang his praise on here has ever said anything good or even noticed he's there until the well publicised speech!.

Personally I think benn has lived high on the hog of his father's reputation of a man of principle, something benn jr has never been.

You know the entire conversational history of every single poster on this thread for the entirety of their lives? Blimey

My views on benn Jr I stated, there based on his 12+ years in politics, I'm unlikely to change my opinion from one speech!.

And that's great. Don't you think anyone else could possibly have formed opinions for themselves, or is that just the preserve of those who agree with you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think this thread shows just how people are influenced by the media!

Not one single person who sang his praise on here has ever said anything good or even noticed he's there until the well publicised speech!.

Personally I think benn has lived high on the hog of his father's reputation of a man of principle, something benn jr has never been.

You know the entire conversational history of every single poster on this thread for the entirety of their lives? Blimey

My views on benn Jr I stated, there based on his 12+ years in politics, I'm unlikely to change my opinion from one speech!.

And that's great. Don't you think anyone else could possibly have formed opinions for themselves, or is that just the preserve of those who agree with you? "
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No I think your entitled to claim how brilliant he is from one speech!

I just think I'm entitled to point out that one swallow doesn't make a summer

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over a year ago

"I think this thread shows just how people are influenced by the media!

Not one single person who sang his praise on here has ever said anything good or even noticed he's there until the well publicised speech!.

Personally I think benn has lived high on the hog of his father's reputation of a man of principle, something benn jr has never been.

You know the entire conversational history of every single poster on this thread for the entirety of their lives? Blimey

My views on benn Jr I stated, there based on his 12+ years in politics, I'm unlikely to change my opinion from one speech!.

And that's great. Don't you think anyone else could possibly have formed opinions for themselves, or is that just the preserve of those who agree with you? .

No I think your entitled to claim how brilliant he is from one speech!

I just think I'm entitled to point out that one swallow doesn't make a summer

Course you are. But I'll refer you back to your sweeping second paragraph which I'm sure you'll be able to back up with detailed records of every political discussion ever held by every poster on this thread