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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Trying to run the NHS into the ground through the changes of nurse education?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The changes are (from 2017) getting student nurses to pay tuition fees and the end of the bursary (which apart from the first £1000 is means tested).

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over a year ago

Yes , they would live to privatise the NHS and sell it off to their chums and for the rest of us to have medical insurance.

They have tried many ways and demoralizing the staff is just another attack

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Yes , they would live to privatise the NHS and sell it off to their chums and for the rest of us to have medical insurance.

They have tried many ways and demoralizing the staff is just another attack "

But whatever health service exists, nurses will still be required.

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over a year ago

Of course anything to do with the NHS is always hugely emotive. I don't think it's just a current government issue - NHS changes happen under every administration and I think most people are agreed that the concept of free health provision at the point of service is something we want to preserve in our society

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over a year ago

"Yes , they would live to privatise the NHS and sell it off to their chums and for the rest of us to have medical insurance.

They have tried many ways and demoralizing the staff is just another attack

But whatever health service exists, nurses will still be required."

Not really. They can import* cheap ones from abroad. Plus who's gonna be able to afford health care when it's completely privatised. Insurance companies often fuck people over when they can too, so even if you have private health care you're not necessarily gonna be able to access a nurse.

*People are products to them.

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over a year ago

"Yes , they would live to privatise the NHS and sell it off to their chums and for the rest of us to have medical insurance.

They have tried many ways and demoralizing the staff is just another attack

But whatever health service exists, nurses will still be required.

*People are products to them."

they only see profit and loss margins not people or the wonderful NHS staff we have

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The government has a deep contempt for all of the public sector, including its own workforce.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The reason why nurses have traditionally received a bursury rather than a student loan is

a) in recognition of the number we require to train each year, and

b) an understanding that the vast majority will never earn higher than (currently) £35;000- top Band 6 - and therefore will take approximately 25 years to pay off the debt.

In a few years we'll have far fewer British nurses - but hey, foreign nurses are cheaper so why worry?

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

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"Of course anything to do with the NHS is always hugely emotive. I don't think it's just a current government issue - NHS changes happen under every administration and I think most people are agreed that the concept of free health provision at the point of service is something we want to preserve in our society "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the cost of offering bursaries to nurses and midwives unfortunately has become prohibitively expensive for any government to continue to manage in an effective manner.

Whether they want to privatise the NHS I don't know. However looking at the German model for health care where they have.private insurance companies but you pay for them through your wages (a bit like NI but run privately) this works exceedingly well and has given a family member of mine great service over the years for long-term debilitating illness which wouldn't be offered under the current UK structure of the NHS due to financial costings so I see both an argument to keep it nationalised but also an argument for privatisation.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The reason why nurses have traditionally received a bursury rather than a student loan is

a) in recognition of the number we require to train each year, and

b) an understanding that the vast majority will never earn higher than (currently) £35;000- top Band 6 - and therefore will take approximately 25 years to pay off the debt.

In a few years we'll have far fewer British nurses - but hey, foreign nurses are cheaper so why worry?"

Why are they cheaper? They get the same as any British nurse once they get their pin.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The reason why nurses have traditionally received a bursury rather than a student loan is

a) in recognition of the number we require to train each year, and

b) an understanding that the vast majority will never earn higher than (currently) £35;000- top Band 6 - and therefore will take approximately 25 years to pay off the debt.

In a few years we'll have far fewer British nurses - but hey, foreign nurses are cheaper so why worry?"

Under the current scheme of degree training, it is actually because their year is currently 45 weeks compared to other degrees at 30 weeks a year. Student nurses simply do not have as much expendable time as other students, to earn.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It will stop people becoming nurses when we already have a shortage..

The number of trainee nurses lessend when they made them have a degree a few years ago..This will kill the NHS as we know it..Doctors are already striking over Jeremy (c) Hunts plans..This government dont give a shit apart from them and there chums that want it privatised to make loads of money..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The reason why nurses have traditionally received a bursury rather than a student loan is

a) in recognition of the number we require to train each year, and

b) an understanding that the vast majority will never earn higher than (currently) £35;000- top Band 6 - and therefore will take approximately 25 years to pay off the debt.

In a few years we'll have far fewer British nurses - but hey, foreign nurses are cheaper so why worry?

Why are they cheaper? They get the same as any British nurse once they get their pin."

Yes, of course they will - but the poor put upon British taxpayer hasn't had to

pay for their education.

Unlike the German taxpayer, for example, who recognises the value of nurses and pays them a living salary throughout their training.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They have done the same to the Police. Pay for the privilege of training for a job you may not get.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"They have done the same to the Police. Pay for the privilege of training for a job you may not get. "

Police students?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's right and most voted for him second time. Will they ever learn?.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The reason why nurses have traditionally received a bursury rather than a student loan is

a) in recognition of the number we require to train each year, and

b) an understanding that the vast majority will never earn higher than (currently) £35;000- top Band 6 - and therefore will take approximately 25 years to pay off the debt.

In a few years we'll have far fewer British nurses - but hey, foreign nurses are cheaper so why worry?

Why are they cheaper? They get the same as any British nurse once they get their pin.

Yes, of course they will - but the poor put upon British taxpayer hasn't had to

pay for their education.

Unlike the German taxpayer, for example, who recognises the value of nurses and pays them a living salary throughout their training."

Costs to bring them here. Costs to select them in first place. Costs to educate them to a decent standard of English. I'm sure there are other costs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They have done the same to the Police. Pay for the privilege of training for a job you may not get.

Police students?"

Yeah seriously they run a Uni course where you work as a special whilst also doing your studies. I was wandering round a Uni and saw them in action. Couldn't believe it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"They have done the same to the Police. Pay for the privilege of training for a job you may not get.

Police students?

Yeah seriously they run a Uni course where you work as a special whilst also doing your studies. I was wandering round a Uni and saw them in action. Couldn't believe it. "

My understanding is they get paid whilst they are on their two year probationary period. So unless that has changed, then that is nothing like student nurses.

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