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"I am so fed up with Corbyn's Labour. It is incompetent, unintelligent, uninspiring and worst of all un-electable - we need an effective opposition & soon! The Little Red Book stunt is the last straw..." Figures from a Comres poll just the other day..... Labour...27% Conservative....42% UKIP....15% Lib dems.....7% Greens.....5% So from those figures it looks like Corbyns Labour is even more unpopular than Red Ed Milibands, lol. Corbyn may have support from grassroots Labour supporters but it's what the general public think in elections what matters. | |||
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"I am so fed up with Corbyn's Labour. It is incompetent, unintelligent, uninspiring and worst of all un-electable - we need an effective opposition & soon! The Little Red Book stunt is the last straw... Figures from a Comres poll just the other day..... Labour...27% Conservative....42% UKIP....15% Lib dems.....7% Greens.....5% So from those figures it looks like Corbyns Labour is even more unpopular than Red Ed Milibands, lol. Corbyn may have support from grassroots Labour supporters but it's what the general public think in elections what matters. " You can't really call him Red Ed when members of the shadow cabinet are quoting Mao and handing out his little red book! | |||
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"I am so fed up with Corbyn's Labour. It is incompetent, unintelligent, uninspiring and worst of all un-electable - we need an effective opposition & soon! The Little Red Book stunt is the last straw..." Seriously, what on Earth was he thinking?! How can a professional politician be so stupid? It's also showing that its not just Corbyn who is the crazy one  | |||
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"I am so fed up with Corbyn's Labour. It is incompetent, unintelligent, uninspiring and worst of all un-electable - we need an effective opposition & soon! The Little Red Book stunt is the last straw... Figures from a Comres poll just the other day..... Labour...27% Conservative....42% UKIP....15% Lib dems.....7% Greens.....5% So from those figures it looks like Corbyns Labour is even more unpopular than Red Ed Milibands, lol. Corbyn may have support from grassroots Labour supporters but it's what the general public think in elections what matters. You can't really call him Red Ed when members of the shadow cabinet are quoting Mao and handing out his little red book! " The media nicknamed him Red Ed, just habit, lol.  | |||
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"It is so crap, so many people want a compassionate view, but Corbyn & his trotskyist/marxist team couldn't give a toss about ordinary working people - to them it is a game, come back David Milliband..., how crap has it become for me to say that... "   | |||
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"Ok, I could even live with Ed & his tablet! "At least the stone tablet is too big to throw over the despatch box unlike the little red book. | |||
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"It is so crap, so many people want a compassionate view, but Corbyn & his trotskyist/marxist team couldn't give a toss about ordinary working people - to them it is a game, come back Ed Milliband..., how crap has it become for me to say that... "Honestly, labour only have themselves to blame. They had electorate gold in the form of David Milliband and they f'ed him. This is just the continuation of a downward spiral that started then. We have a tory government that promised to eliminate the deficit in 2010, didn't, then got elected on the same promise in 2015. Talk about win-win for the Tories! But how was this allowed to happen? Because greedy trade unions f'ed David Milliband. If they had any sense they would get down on their knees and give him the best blow job of his life until he agreed to bail them out of this clusterfuck. | |||
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"Hillary Benn for PM, i liked his Dad! "Donald Trump for PM (sniggers) | |||
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"Hillary Benn for PM, i liked his Dad!
Donald Trump for PM (sniggers) "Scream! Silently!! OMG!!! | |||
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"Hillary Benn for PM, i liked his Dad!
Donald Trump for PM (sniggers) "David Cameron as PM of an actual country (sniggers & pmsl) ........oops!  | |||
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"Hillary Benn for PM, i liked his Dad!
Donald Trump for PM (sniggers)
David Cameron as PM of an actual country (sniggers & pmsl)
........oops! "Politics in general, lmfao douches. | |||
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"I still think it's an evil master plan to prepare the way for the grateful people to welcome back the Other Miliband in 2020, now with added international allies." Took the words right out of my mouth.........with my conrflakes too  | |||
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"It is so crap, so many people want a compassionate view, but Corbyn & his trotskyist/marxist team couldn't give a toss about ordinary working people - to them it is a game, come back Ed Milliband..., how crap has it become for me to say that...
Honestly, labour only have themselves to blame. They had electorate gold in the form of David Milliband and they f'ed him. This is just the continuation of a downward spiral that started then. We have a tory government that promised to eliminate the deficit in 2010, didn't, then got elected on the same promise in 2015. Talk about win-win for the Tories! But how was this allowed to happen? Because greedy trade unions f'ed David Milliband.
If they had any sense they would get down on their knees and give him the best blow job of his life until he agreed to bail them out of this clusterfuck." | |||
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"Corbyn is about the only decent think in that house. Look at his expenses. Look at what he has done for ordenary people. A socialist movement has worked in Scotland now I hope we can have it country wide. " He hasn't done ANYTHING for ordinary people. To make a difference you have to be the party in power, not the opposition. | |||
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"Corbyn is about the only decent think in that house. Look at his expenses. Look at what he has done for ordenary people. A socialist movement has worked in Scotland now I hope we can have it country wide. " This is the same socialist movement that wanted independence? And said that oil would never go below $130 a barrel? Where would the socialist Scottish movement be now if you'd got independence, with oil at $50 a barrel? Corbyn will destroy Labour. And McDonnel will speed up that process. Saw this morning that he's saying his red book stunt was meant to raise the issue of the government selling our assets... which he says it has... news for you Mr McDonnel, it's raised the issue of what a total twat you are. | |||
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"Cameron does not look like a prime minister, and neither does Osborne.... Labour should be having a field day with this lot, instead they have elected Corbyn, who looks and acts like he's in some mid-seventies teachers' staff room, and McDonnel, who has today proven himself to be a rather poorly disguised communist. The tories don't even have to try to govern well with the lack of an effective opposition that labour is. " Sorry but for all of Cameron's failings, not looking like a Prime Minister isn't one of them. He's about as polished a politician you're likely to see. Makes the whole thing look effortless whilst equally intelligent MPs quiver when invited to speak | |||
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"Torres are laughing their balls off....... In power for years at this rate" That is true and although I can't occasionally resist a little "schadenfreude" I still think that this, and every other, government needs a credible opposition. I could call the current Labour leadership many things but credible would never be one of them. | |||
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Torys may lick the arse of bankers but at least they don't love socialist Marxism. | |||
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" Sorry but for all of Cameron's failings, not looking like a Prime Minister isn't one of them. He's about as polished a politician you're likely to see. " Replace polished with slimey and you've nailed it | |||
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"Most on here will know that as a lifelong Tory (with UKIP sympathies) I'm no lover of the Labour party (to be fair I'm not exactly in love with the current Tory's either) However, every government of whatever colour needs a credible opposition and the current Labour opposition looks like it has been drawn equally from a student debating society and comedy central, but it really isn't funny. It's now long overdue for Corbyn and Co to drop the stunts, stop the petty sound bites, ditch the letters from "Angry of Aylesbury" and start thinking about doing some of the hard work required of Her majesty's Loyal Opposition. Oh and could you imagine the uproar if anyone from the right of politics quoted "Mein Kampf"? Yet McDonnell can quote Mau (who made Hitler look like a pussycat) almost with impunity "tend to agree apart from the last bit as not sure mein kampf was to do with economics (though some on here may know better).. they look out of their depth totally at the moment and that they had no credible argument or opposing view against the spending review that the stunt pulled is laughable.. many people are going to suffer further under the austerity plans for the rest of this parliament and those people deserve a voice not playground gestures.. | |||
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"I am so fed up with Corbyn's Labour. It is incompetent, unintelligent, uninspiring and worst of all un-electable - we need an effective opposition & soon! The Little Red Book stunt is the last straw... Seriously, what on Earth was he thinking?! How can a professional politician be so stupid? It's also showing that its not just Corbyn who is the crazy one "Well, the fact the party chose this numpty is reason enough to vote for ANYONE ELSE. Who in their right mind would vote for adults who, knowing what he is like, would think he was either electable or a leader? | |||
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"Corbyn just got the Tories to back down on Tax Credits and cuts to the Police - not bad going at all. Before he was elected the party line was identical to the Tories over the cuts." Was that Corbyn or was it listening to the people? One side says Labour and the other says a sign of good government. Plus I think the events in Paris may have had a say. Dreadful PR to cut policing at this point. Which ever conduit it was still a victory for common sense. | |||
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"Corbyn just got the Tories to back down on Tax Credits and cuts to the Police - not bad going at all. Before he was elected the party line was identical to the Tories over the cuts." it wasn't only Corbyn opposed to the tax credits and had it just been then they would have been imposed by Osborne, also the little matter of Paris etc sadly had a much bigger part to play than anyone in Westminster .. | |||
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"I am so fed up with Corbyn's Labour. It is incompetent, unintelligent, uninspiring and worst of all un-electable - we need an effective opposition & soon! The Little Red Book stunt is the last straw... Figures from a Comres poll just the other day..... Labour...27% Conservative....42% UKIP....15% Lib dems.....7% Greens.....5% So from those figures it looks like Corbyns Labour is even more unpopular than Red Ed Milibands, lol. Corbyn may have support from grassroots Labour supporters but it's what the general public think in elections what matters. " IPSOS Mori just published an in depth set of polls covering a wide variety of issues, and it puts Voting intentions as follows: Conservative 37% Labour 35% If you can be troubled to read it, it's all here: https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/political-monitor-november-2015-charts.pdf So rather than Labour being unelectable under Corbyn, they are actually doing better than under Miliband. Just fancy that! Unsurprisingly, this hasn't been covered very widely by the media. | |||
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"I am so fed up with Corbyn's Labour. It is incompetent, unintelligent, uninspiring and worst of all un-electable - we need an effective opposition & soon! The Little Red Book stunt is the last straw... Figures from a Comres poll just the other day..... Labour...27% Conservative....42% UKIP....15% Lib dems.....7% Greens.....5% So from those figures it looks like Corbyns Labour is even more unpopular than Red Ed Milibands, lol. Corbyn may have support from grassroots Labour supporters but it's what the general public think in elections what matters. IPSOS Mori just published an in depth set of polls covering a wide variety of issues, and it puts Voting intentions as follows: Conservative 37% Labour 35% If you can be troubled to read it, it's all here: https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/political-monitor-november-2015-charts.pdf So rather than Labour being unelectable under Corbyn, they are actually doing better than under Miliband. Just fancy that! Unsurprisingly, this hasn't been covered very widely by the media." Betting markets are actually more accurate than polls. If you go on odds checker the best prices on tories are 2/5 and labour is on 11/4. Even the Scottish referendum was closer than that! | |||
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"I am so fed up with Corbyn's Labour. It is incompetent, unintelligent, uninspiring and worst of all un-electable - we need an effective opposition & soon! The Little Red Book stunt is the last straw... Figures from a Comres poll just the other day..... Labour...27% Conservative....42% UKIP....15% Lib dems.....7% Greens.....5% So from those figures it looks like Corbyns Labour is even more unpopular than Red Ed Milibands, lol. Corbyn may have support from grassroots Labour supporters but it's what the general public think in elections what matters. IPSOS Mori just published an in depth set of polls covering a wide variety of issues, and it puts Voting intentions as follows: Conservative 37% Labour 35% If you can be troubled to read it, it's all here: https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/political-monitor-november-2015-charts.pdf So rather than Labour being unelectable under Corbyn, they are actually doing better than under Miliband. Just fancy that! Unsurprisingly, this hasn't been covered very widely by the media. Betting markets are actually more accurate than polls. If you go on odds checker the best prices on tories are 2/5 and labour is on 11/4. Even the Scottish referendum was closer than that! " Are they, now? Jeremy Corbyn was given odds of 100-1 to become the Labour leader.  | |||
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"I'm beginning to think that I, amongst many others, were carried along in the Corbyn tidal wave during the Leadership Election. I never thought he would make a good leader, but wanted the party to reclaim it's roots. Unfortunately, it looks like ending up a short blip in the ever rightwards march. Appointing his mate as Shadow Chancellor is now backfiring spectacularly. The Little Red book was standard reading during my student SWP days, but that's where it should stay. " someone on fab recognised they made a bad call? a historical day | |||
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"I am so fed up with Corbyn's Labour. It is incompetent, unintelligent, uninspiring and worst of all un-electable - we need an effective opposition & soon! The Little Red Book stunt is the last straw... Figures from a Comres poll just the other day..... Labour...27% Conservative....42% UKIP....15% Lib dems.....7% Greens.....5% So from those figures it looks like Corbyns Labour is even more unpopular than Red Ed Milibands, lol. Corbyn may have support from grassroots Labour supporters but it's what the general public think in elections what matters. " I tried to say at the time but their supporters on here wouldn't have any of it. I think it really is a triumph of hope over reality for Labour at the moment. J2 (John & Jeremy) just don't seem to have the experience required to pull of the big set piece events with any kind of style or decorum. It's a shame really; I'd love to see Labour standing on a manifesto of Nuclear Disarmament, Re nationalisation of industry and massive increases in tax for middle England at the next General Election. | |||
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"I am so fed up with Corbyn's Labour. It is incompetent, unintelligent, uninspiring and worst of all un-electable - we need an effective opposition & soon! The Little Red Book stunt is the last straw... Figures from a Comres poll just the other day..... Labour...27% Conservative....42% UKIP....15% Lib dems.....7% Greens.....5% So from those figures it looks like Corbyns Labour is even more unpopular than Red Ed Milibands, lol. Corbyn may have support from grassroots Labour supporters but it's what the general public think in elections what matters. IPSOS Mori just published an in depth set of polls covering a wide variety of issues, and it puts Voting intentions as follows: Conservative 37% Labour 35% If you can be troubled to read it, it's all here: https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/political-monitor-november-2015-charts.pdf So rather than Labour being unelectable under Corbyn, they are actually doing better than under Miliband. Just fancy that! Unsurprisingly, this hasn't been covered very widely by the media. Betting markets are actually more accurate than polls. If you go on odds checker the best prices on tories are 2/5 and labour is on 11/4. Even the Scottish referendum was closer than that! Are they, now? Jeremy Corbyn was given odds of 100-1 to become the Labour leader. "Yes they are. Firstly you're stating an anecdotal example as if a single example refutes a average level of accuracy that is superior. Secondly, your example doesn't even work because he wasn't 100-1 for very long and certainty wasn't 100-1 in the final months leading up to his election. | |||
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"I am so fed up with Corbyn's Labour. It is incompetent, unintelligent, uninspiring and worst of all un-electable - we need an effective opposition & soon! The Little Red Book stunt is the last straw... Figures from a Comres poll just the other day..... Labour...27% Conservative....42% UKIP....15% Lib dems.....7% Greens.....5% So from those figures it looks like Corbyns Labour is even more unpopular than Red Ed Milibands, lol. Corbyn may have support from grassroots Labour supporters but it's what the general public think in elections what matters. IPSOS Mori just published an in depth set of polls covering a wide variety of issues, and it puts Voting intentions as follows: Conservative 37% Labour 35% If you can be troubled to read it, it's all here: https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/political-monitor-november-2015-charts.pdf So rather than Labour being unelectable under Corbyn, they are actually doing better than under Miliband. Just fancy that! Unsurprisingly, this hasn't been covered very widely by the media. Betting markets are actually more accurate than polls. If you go on odds checker the best prices on tories are 2/5 and labour is on 11/4. Even the Scottish referendum was closer than that! Are they, now? Jeremy Corbyn was given odds of 100-1 to become the Labour leader.
Yes they are. Firstly you're stating an anecdotal example as if a single example refutes a average level of accuracy that is superior. Secondly, your example doesn't even work because he wasn't 100-1 for very long and certainty wasn't 100-1 in the final months leading up to his election. "You can prove anything if you omit the facts that don't suit, eh? | |||
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"I am so fed up with Corbyn's Labour. It is incompetent, unintelligent, uninspiring and worst of all un-electable - we need an effective opposition & soon! The Little Red Book stunt is the last straw... Figures from a Comres poll just the other day..... Labour...27% Conservative....42% UKIP....15% Lib dems.....7% Greens.....5% So from those figures it looks like Corbyns Labour is even more unpopular than Red Ed Milibands, lol. Corbyn may have support from grassroots Labour supporters but it's what the general public think in elections what matters. IPSOS Mori just published an in depth set of polls covering a wide variety of issues, and it puts Voting intentions as follows: Conservative 37% Labour 35% If you can be troubled to read it, it's all here: https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/political-monitor-november-2015-charts.pdf So rather than Labour being unelectable under Corbyn, they are actually doing better than under Miliband. Just fancy that! Unsurprisingly, this hasn't been covered very widely by the media. Betting markets are actually more accurate than polls. If you go on odds checker the best prices on tories are 2/5 and labour is on 11/4. Even the Scottish referendum was closer than that! Are they, now? Jeremy Corbyn was given odds of 100-1 to become the Labour leader.
Yes they are. Firstly you're stating an anecdotal example as if a single example refutes a average level of accuracy that is superior. Secondly, your example doesn't even work because he wasn't 100-1 for very long and certainty wasn't 100-1 in the final months leading up to his election.
You can prove anything if you omit the facts that don't suit, eh? "And you can believe anything if it seems to support what you want believe. Do you really believe that Labour can win the next election with J2 running the show? | |||
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"Maybe you missed it, but Miliband isn't the party leader any more." Your reading comprehension needs work. I was referring to the election. Corbyn isn't any better. He reminds me of those old warhorse lecturers who go on strike because they can't milk the system like they used too on their 6 figure salaries. | |||
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"I am so fed up with Corbyn's Labour. It is incompetent, unintelligent, uninspiring and worst of all un-electable - we need an effective opposition & soon! The Little Red Book stunt is the last straw... Figures from a Comres poll just the other day..... Labour...27% Conservative....42% UKIP....15% Lib dems.....7% Greens.....5% So from those figures it looks like Corbyns Labour is even more unpopular than Red Ed Milibands, lol. Corbyn may have support from grassroots Labour supporters but it's what the general public think in elections what matters. IPSOS Mori just published an in depth set of polls covering a wide variety of issues, and it puts Voting intentions as follows: Conservative 37% Labour 35% If you can be troubled to read it, it's all here: https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/political-monitor-november-2015-charts.pdf So rather than Labour being unelectable under Corbyn, they are actually doing better than under Miliband. Just fancy that! Unsurprisingly, this hasn't been covered very widely by the media. Betting markets are actually more accurate than polls. If you go on odds checker the best prices on tories are 2/5 and labour is on 11/4. Even the Scottish referendum was closer than that! Are they, now? Jeremy Corbyn was given odds of 100-1 to become the Labour leader.
Yes they are. Firstly you're stating an anecdotal example as if a single example refutes a average level of accuracy that is superior. Secondly, your example doesn't even work because he wasn't 100-1 for very long and certainty wasn't 100-1 in the final months leading up to his election.
You can prove anything if you omit the facts that don't suit, eh?
And you can believe anything if it seems to support what you want believe. Do you really believe that Labour can win the next election with J2 running the show?"Very much so. The media line is that he is unelectable. The polls show that he is doing better than Miliband. The media is wildly at odds with public opinion. Couple that with his strong genuine left wing stances causing Tory U-turns seemingly daily, his strong appearances at PMQs showing people that he is a fine politician who understands and values what is important to the public, rather than being a raving communist, and the increasingly hysterical news coverage actually causing people to like him more and more...things are looking very bright for 2020 indeed. | |||
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"For crying out loud the next election is 4.5 years away. I don't understand why the right-wing are so obsessed with him, constantly thinking and talking about him, if they think he's so useless. He'll be long gone by 2020. " Let's hope so. | |||
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"For crying out loud the next election is 4.5 years away. I don't understand why the right-wing are so obsessed with him, constantly thinking and talking about him, if they think he's so useless. He'll be long gone by 2020. " They are obsessed with him because they are terrified of him. If he was unelectable, they would not be obsessed with trying to discredit him. It's clear to see. | |||
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"I am so fed up with Corbyn's Labour. It is incompetent, unintelligent, uninspiring and worst of all un-electable - we need an effective opposition & soon! The Little Red Book stunt is the last straw... Figures from a Comres poll just the other day..... Labour...27% Conservative....42% UKIP....15% Lib dems.....7% Greens.....5% So from those figures it looks like Corbyns Labour is even more unpopular than Red Ed Milibands, lol. Corbyn may have support from grassroots Labour supporters but it's what the general public think in elections what matters. IPSOS Mori just published an in depth set of polls covering a wide variety of issues, and it puts Voting intentions as follows: Conservative 37% Labour 35% If you can be troubled to read it, it's all here: https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/political-monitor-november-2015-charts.pdf So rather than Labour being unelectable under Corbyn, they are actually doing better than under Miliband. Just fancy that! Unsurprisingly, this hasn't been covered very widely by the media. Betting markets are actually more accurate than polls. If you go on odds checker the best prices on tories are 2/5 and labour is on 11/4. Even the Scottish referendum was closer than that! Are they, now? Jeremy Corbyn was given odds of 100-1 to become the Labour leader.
Yes they are. Firstly you're stating an anecdotal example as if a single example refutes a average level of accuracy that is superior. Secondly, your example doesn't even work because he wasn't 100-1 for very long and certainty wasn't 100-1 in the final months leading up to his election.
You can prove anything if you omit the facts that don't suit, eh?
And you can believe anything if it seems to support what you want believe. Do you really believe that Labour can win the next election with J2 running the show?
Very much so.
The media line is that he is unelectable. The polls show that he is doing better than Miliband. The media is wildly at odds with public opinion.
Couple that with his strong genuine left wing stances causing Tory U-turns seemingly daily, his strong appearances at PMQs showing people that he is a fine politician who understands and values what is important to the public, rather than being a raving communist, and the increasingly hysterical news coverage actually causing people to like him more and more...things are looking very bright for 2020 indeed. "I am not a betting man but I see him resigning/ pushed over a matter of principle before then. | |||
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"For crying out loud the next election is 4.5 years away. I don't understand why the right-wing are so obsessed with him, constantly thinking and talking about him, if they think he's so useless. He'll be long gone by 2020. They are obsessed with him because they are terrified of him. If he was unelectable, they would not be obsessed with trying to discredit him. It's clear to see." They must think about him morning, noon and night. But don't count your chickens that he'll still be around as leader. The result of the EU vote is going to change things dramatically. | |||
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"I am so fed up with Corbyn's Labour. It is incompetent, unintelligent, uninspiring and worst of all un-electable - we need an effective opposition & soon! The Little Red Book stunt is the last straw... Figures from a Comres poll just the other day..... Labour...27% Conservative....42% UKIP....15% Lib dems.....7% Greens.....5% So from those figures it looks like Corbyns Labour is even more unpopular than Red Ed Milibands, lol. Corbyn may have support from grassroots Labour supporters but it's what the general public think in elections what matters. IPSOS Mori just published an in depth set of polls covering a wide variety of issues, and it puts Voting intentions as follows: Conservative 37% Labour 35% If you can be troubled to read it, it's all here: https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/political-monitor-november-2015-charts.pdf So rather than Labour being unelectable under Corbyn, they are actually doing better than under Miliband. Just fancy that! Unsurprisingly, this hasn't been covered very widely by the media. Betting markets are actually more accurate than polls. If you go on odds checker the best prices on tories are 2/5 and labour is on 11/4. Even the Scottish referendum was closer than that! Are they, now? Jeremy Corbyn was given odds of 100-1 to become the Labour leader.
Yes they are. Firstly you're stating an anecdotal example as if a single example refutes a average level of accuracy that is superior. Secondly, your example doesn't even work because he wasn't 100-1 for very long and certainty wasn't 100-1 in the final months leading up to his election.
You can prove anything if you omit the facts that don't suit, eh?
And you can believe anything if it seems to support what you want believe. Do you really believe that Labour can win the next election with J2 running the show?
Very much so.
The media line is that he is unelectable. The polls show that he is doing better than Miliband. The media is wildly at odds with public opinion.
Couple that with his strong genuine left wing stances causing Tory U-turns seemingly daily, his strong appearances at PMQs showing people that he is a fine politician who understands and values what is important to the public, rather than being a raving communist, and the increasingly hysterical news coverage actually causing people to like him more and more...things are looking very bright for 2020 indeed. "Ah yes, the right wing nut jobs at the BBC and the 85% right wing media in a left leaning country! Actually his own MP's think he's unelectable but don't omit the facts that don't suit. | |||
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"I am so fed up with Corbyn's Labour. It is incompetent, unintelligent, uninspiring and worst of all un-electable - we need an effective opposition & soon! The Little Red Book stunt is the last straw... Figures from a Comres poll just the other day..... Labour...27% Conservative....42% UKIP....15% Lib dems.....7% Greens.....5% So from those figures it looks like Corbyns Labour is even more unpopular than Red Ed Milibands, lol. Corbyn may have support from grassroots Labour supporters but it's what the general public think in elections what matters. IPSOS Mori just published an in depth set of polls covering a wide variety of issues, and it puts Voting intentions as follows: Conservative 37% Labour 35% If you can be troubled to read it, it's all here: https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/political-monitor-november-2015-charts.pdf So rather than Labour being unelectable under Corbyn, they are actually doing better than under Miliband. Just fancy that! Unsurprisingly, this hasn't been covered very widely by the media. Betting markets are actually more accurate than polls. If you go on odds checker the best prices on tories are 2/5 and labour is on 11/4. Even the Scottish referendum was closer than that! Are they, now? Jeremy Corbyn was given odds of 100-1 to become the Labour leader.
Yes they are. Firstly you're stating an anecdotal example as if a single example refutes a average level of accuracy that is superior. Secondly, your example doesn't even work because he wasn't 100-1 for very long and certainty wasn't 100-1 in the final months leading up to his election.
You can prove anything if you omit the facts that don't suit, eh?
And you can believe anything if it seems to support what you want believe. Do you really believe that Labour can win the next election with J2 running the show?
Very much so.
The media line is that he is unelectable. The polls show that he is doing better than Miliband. The media is wildly at odds with public opinion.
Couple that with his strong genuine left wing stances causing Tory U-turns seemingly daily, his strong appearances at PMQs showing people that he is a fine politician who understands and values what is important to the public, rather than being a raving communist, and the increasingly hysterical news coverage actually causing people to like him more and more...things are looking very bright for 2020 indeed.
Ah yes, the right wing nut jobs at the BBC and the 85% right wing media in a left leaning country!
Actually his own MP's think he's unelectable but don't omit the facts that don't suit. "I think you are confusing some with all. | |||
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Yes they are. Firstly you're stating an anecdotal example as if a single example refutes a average level of accuracy that is superior. Secondly, your example doesn't even work because he wasn't 100-1 for very long and certainty wasn't 100-1 in the final months leading up to his election.
You can prove anything if you omit the facts that don't suit, eh?
And you can believe anything if it seems to support what you want believe. Do you really believe that Labour can win the next election with J2 running the show?
Very much so.
The media line is that he is unelectable. The polls show that he is doing better than Miliband. The media is wildly at odds with public opinion.
Couple that with his strong genuine left wing stances causing Tory U-turns seemingly daily, his strong appearances at PMQs showing people that he is a fine politician who understands and values what is important to the public, rather than being a raving communist, and the increasingly hysterical news coverage actually causing people to like him more and more...things are looking very bright for 2020 indeed.
Ah yes, the right wing nut jobs at the BBC and the 85% right wing media in a left leaning country!
Actually his own MP's think he's unelectable but don't omit the facts that don't suit.
I think you are confusing some with all."I didn't use an absolute statement... you're just acting like it's a media conspiracy and omitting the fact that a lot of what the media reports is orginating from the Labour party itself | |||
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"I am so fed up with Corbyn's Labour. It is incompetent, unintelligent, uninspiring and worst of all un-electable - we need an effective opposition & soon! The Little Red Book stunt is the last straw... Figures from a Comres poll just the other day..... Labour...27% Conservative....42% UKIP....15% Lib dems.....7% Greens.....5% So from those figures it looks like Corbyns Labour is even more unpopular than Red Ed Milibands, lol. Corbyn may have support from grassroots Labour supporters but it's what the general public think in elections what matters. IPSOS Mori just published an in depth set of polls covering a wide variety of issues, and it puts Voting intentions as follows: Conservative 37% Labour 35% If you can be troubled to read it, it's all here: https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/political-monitor-november-2015-charts.pdf So rather than Labour being unelectable under Corbyn, they are actually doing better than under Miliband. Just fancy that! Unsurprisingly, this hasn't been covered very widely by the media. Betting markets are actually more accurate than polls. If you go on odds checker the best prices on tories are 2/5 and labour is on 11/4. Even the Scottish referendum was closer than that! Are they, now? Jeremy Corbyn was given odds of 100-1 to become the Labour leader.
Yes they are. Firstly you're stating an anecdotal example as if a single example refutes a average level of accuracy that is superior. Secondly, your example doesn't even work because he wasn't 100-1 for very long and certainty wasn't 100-1 in the final months leading up to his election.
You can prove anything if you omit the facts that don't suit, eh?
And you can believe anything if it seems to support what you want believe. Do you really believe that Labour can win the next election with J2 running the show?
Very much so.
The media line is that he is unelectable. The polls show that he is doing better than Miliband. The media is wildly at odds with public opinion.
Couple that with his strong genuine left wing stances causing Tory U-turns seemingly daily, his strong appearances at PMQs showing people that he is a fine politician who understands and values what is important to the public, rather than being a raving communist, and the increasingly hysterical news coverage actually causing people to like him more and more...things are looking very bright for 2020 indeed.
Ah yes, the right wing nut jobs at the BBC and the 85% right wing media in a left leaning country!
Actually his own MP's think he's unelectable but don't omit the facts that don't suit.
I think you are confusing some with all.
I didn't use an absolute statement... you're just acting like it's a media conspiracy and omitting the fact that a lot of what the media reports is orginating from the Labour party itself "You wrote 'his own MP's' (I kept your unnecessary apostrophe in), which implies all. You should have written 'SOME of his own MPs think he is unelectable'. Which is no doubt true. However, these MPs also seem to think that they themselves are more electable, which neatly illustrates their delusion. | |||
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"For crying out loud the next election is 4.5 years away. I don't understand why the right-wing are so obsessed with him, constantly thinking and talking about him, if they think he's so useless. He'll be long gone by 2020. They are obsessed with him because they are terrified of him. If he was unelectable, they would not be obsessed with trying to discredit him. It's clear to see. So terrified they paid £3 to vote for him If you believe that, you'll believe anything. That was a right wing media plan to make Corbyn look unelectable as leader. "Hey, we'll even vote for him ourselves!" It backfired spectacularly, and now they are terrified at the prospect of genuine policies that benefit ordinary people, rather than millionaires and billionaires, becoming a reality. Jeremy already spannered tax credit cuts. One wonders just how many more ill-thought out Tory policies he will be able to set right over this term." Yes it's all a conspiracy from those facists at the BBC! JC forced the U-turn on tax credits rather than the unanimous outrage from the British public. At the end of the day, feel free to make a lot of money by putting your money where your mouth is. 11/4 odds are very good if you really believe in it. | |||
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"For crying out loud the next election is 4.5 years away. I don't understand why the right-wing are so obsessed with him, constantly thinking and talking about him, if they think he's so useless. He'll be long gone by 2020. They are obsessed with him because they are terrified of him. If he was unelectable, they would not be obsessed with trying to discredit him. It's clear to see. So terrified they paid £3 to vote for him If you believe that, you'll believe anything. That was a right wing media plan to make Corbyn look unelectable as leader. "Hey, we'll even vote for him ourselves!" It backfired spectacularly, and now they are terrified at the prospect of genuine policies that benefit ordinary people, rather than millionaires and billionaires, becoming a reality. Jeremy already spannered tax credit cuts. One wonders just how many more ill-thought out Tory policies he will be able to set right over this term. Yes it's all a conspiracy from those facists at the BBC! JC forced the U-turn on tax credits rather than the unanimous outrage from the British public. At the end of the day, feel free to make a lot of money by putting your money where your mouth is. 11/4 odds are very good if you really believe in it." How much have you bet against Labour, then? Quite a significant amount, presumably! | |||
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"For crying out loud the next election is 4.5 years away. I don't understand why the right-wing are so obsessed with him, constantly thinking and talking about him, if they think he's so useless. He'll be long gone by 2020. They are obsessed with him because they are terrified of him. If he was unelectable, they would not be obsessed with trying to discredit him. It's clear to see. So terrified they paid £3 to vote for him If you believe that, you'll believe anything. That was a right wing media plan to make Corbyn look unelectable as leader. "Hey, we'll even vote for him ourselves!" It backfired spectacularly, and now they are terrified at the prospect of genuine policies that benefit ordinary people, rather than millionaires and billionaires, becoming a reality. Jeremy already spannered tax credit cuts. One wonders just how many more ill-thought out Tory policies he will be able to set right over this term. Yes it's all a conspiracy from those facists at the BBC! JC forced the U-turn on tax credits rather than the unanimous outrage from the British public. At the end of the day, feel free to make a lot of money by putting your money where your mouth is. 11/4 odds are very good if you really believe in it. How much have you bet against Labour, then? Quite a significant amount, presumably! "Why would I bet on the Tories - The odds are shite because the market believes it's going to happen. You get good odds betting on unlikely things! That's kind of how betting works.... | |||
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"Corbyn just got the Tories to back down on Tax Credits and cuts to the Police - not bad going at all. Before he was elected the party line was identical to the Tories over the cuts." It was a combination of a defeat in the Lords and the fear of enough back bench Tory rebels voting against it that caused the climbdown. Bugger all to do with Corbyn. | |||
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"I am so fed up with Corbyn's Labour. It is incompetent, unintelligent, uninspiring and worst of all un-electable - we need an effective opposition & soon! The Little Red Book stunt is the last straw... Figures from a Comres poll just the other day..... Labour...27% Conservative....42% UKIP....15% Lib dems.....7% Greens.....5% So from those figures it looks like Corbyns Labour is even more unpopular than Red Ed Milibands, lol. Corbyn may have support from grassroots Labour supporters but it's what the general public think in elections what matters. IPSOS Mori just published an in depth set of polls covering a wide variety of issues, and it puts Voting intentions as follows: Conservative 37% Labour 35% If you can be troubled to read it, it's all here: https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/political-monitor-november-2015-charts.pdf So rather than Labour being unelectable under Corbyn, they are actually doing better than under Miliband. Just fancy that! Unsurprisingly, this hasn't been covered very widely by the media. Betting markets are actually more accurate than polls. If you go on odds checker the best prices on tories are 2/5 and labour is on 11/4. Even the Scottish referendum was closer than that! Are they, now? Jeremy Corbyn was given odds of 100-1 to become the Labour leader.
Yes they are. Firstly you're stating an anecdotal example as if a single example refutes a average level of accuracy that is superior. Secondly, your example doesn't even work because he wasn't 100-1 for very long and certainty wasn't 100-1 in the final months leading up to his election. "Ipsos poll, Mori poll, Uncle Tom Cobley's poll or Dance pole. The only one's that matter any time soon are the Oldham & Royton bye election next month and the local elections next spring. Corbyn may be popular within the ranks of his own party but let's see how he fares with the electorate at large. Could be very interesting. | |||
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"I am so fed up with Corbyn's Labour. It is incompetent, unintelligent, uninspiring and worst of all un-electable - we need an effective opposition & soon! The Little Red Book stunt is the last straw..." I don't think labour have done a bad job in the main... i think on the issues of trident and syria, they are on the wrong side of public opinionand need to pay more attention the main public as opposed to the base.... I think the shadow chancellor yesterday was gawd awful.....i think he knows he did a bad job and everyone has let him know it | |||
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"I am so fed up with Corbyn's Labour. It is incompetent, unintelligent, uninspiring and worst of all un-electable - we need an effective opposition & soon! The Little Red Book stunt is the last straw... I don't think labour have done a bad job in the main... i think on the issues of trident and syria, they are on the wrong side of public opinionand need to pay more attention the main public as opposed to the base.... I think the shadow chancellor yesterday was gawd awful.....i think he knows he did a bad job and everyone has let him know it" Unfortunately on both the issues of Trident and Syria, the public are uninformed, and wrong. I don't want a party that decides policy because it plays well with people who don't know any more than what they read in The Sun each morning. I want them deciding policy based on what's right. | |||
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"I am so fed up with Corbyn's Labour. It is incompetent, unintelligent, uninspiring and worst of all un-electable - we need an effective opposition & soon! The Little Red Book stunt is the last straw... Figures from a Comres poll just the other day..... Labour...27% Conservative....42% UKIP....15% Lib dems.....7% Greens.....5% So from those figures it looks like Corbyns Labour is even more unpopular than Red Ed Milibands, lol. Corbyn may have support from grassroots Labour supporters but it's what the general public think in elections what matters. IPSOS Mori just published an in depth set of polls covering a wide variety of issues, and it puts Voting intentions as follows: Conservative 37% Labour 35% If you can be troubled to read it, it's all here: https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/political-monitor-november-2015-charts.pdf So rather than Labour being unelectable under Corbyn, they are actually doing better than under Miliband. Just fancy that! Unsurprisingly, this hasn't been covered very widely by the media. Betting markets are actually more accurate than polls. If you go on odds checker the best prices on tories are 2/5 and labour is on 11/4. Even the Scottish referendum was closer than that! Are they, now? Jeremy Corbyn was given odds of 100-1 to become the Labour leader.
Yes they are. Firstly you're stating an anecdotal example as if a single example refutes a average level of accuracy that is superior. Secondly, your example doesn't even work because he wasn't 100-1 for very long and certainty wasn't 100-1 in the final months leading up to his election.
Ipsos poll, Mori poll, Uncle Tom Cobley's poll or Dance pole.
The only one's that matter any time soon are the Oldham & Royton bye election next month and the local elections next spring.
Corbyn may be popular within the ranks of his own party but let's see how he fares with the electorate at large.
Could be very interesting. "Of course, polls can be wrong, and often are. I only produce it because it is the most recent test available, and neatly bursts the illusion that Corbyn is either putting off voters, or is unelectable. The fact is he is doing a great job - and is terrifying Tories everywhere. | |||
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"I am so fed up with Corbyn's Labour. It is incompetent, unintelligent, uninspiring and worst of all un-electable - we need an effective opposition & soon! The Little Red Book stunt is the last straw... I don't think labour have done a bad job in the main... i think on the issues of trident and syria, they are on the wrong side of public opinionand need to pay more attention the main public as opposed to the base.... I think the shadow chancellor yesterday was gawd awful.....i think he knows he did a bad job and everyone has let him know it Unfortunately on both the issues of Trident and Syria, the public are uninformed, and wrong. I don't want a party that decides policy because it plays well with people who don't know any more than what they read in The Sun each morning. I want them deciding policy based on what's right." Nothing wrong with policies which suit those who know no more than what they read in the Sun each morning . Works for us | |||
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"I am so fed up with Corbyn's Labour. It is incompetent, unintelligent, uninspiring and worst of all un-electable - we need an effective opposition & soon! The Little Red Book stunt is the last straw... I think he is doing a wonderful job. Long may it continue "That's what Cameron said. | |||
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"I am so fed up with Corbyn's Labour. It is incompetent, unintelligent, uninspiring and worst of all un-electable - we need an effective opposition & soon! The Little Red Book stunt is the last straw... I don't think labour have done a bad job in the main... i think on the issues of trident and syria, they are on the wrong side of public opinionand need to pay more attention the main public as opposed to the base.... I think the shadow chancellor yesterday was gawd awful.....i think he knows he did a bad job and everyone has let him know it Unfortunately on both the issues of Trident and Syria, the public are uninformed, and wrong. I don't want a party that decides policy because it plays well with people who don't know any more than what they read in The Sun each morning. I want them deciding policy based on what's right." Uninformed & wrong? As someone who actually lived through the cold war I can assure you that I am not uninformed. It's just that I looked beyond Communist, Neutralist Defeatist (aka CND) and the socialist workers party for my information. I think the end result of the cold war proved that the NATO alliance including Britain's independent nuclear deterrent was far from wrong. | |||
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"I am so fed up with Corbyn's Labour. It is incompetent, unintelligent, uninspiring and worst of all un-electable - we need an effective opposition & soon! The Little Red Book stunt is the last straw... I don't think labour have done a bad job in the main... i think on the issues of trident and syria, they are on the wrong side of public opinionand need to pay more attention the main public as opposed to the base.... I think the shadow chancellor yesterday was gawd awful.....i think he knows he did a bad job and everyone has let him know it Unfortunately on both the issues of Trident and Syria, the public are uninformed, and wrong. I don't want a party that decides policy because it plays well with people who don't know any more than what they read in The Sun each morning. I want them deciding policy based on what's right. Uninformed & wrong? As someone who actually lived through the cold war I can assure you that I am not uninformed. It's just that I looked beyond Communist, Neutralist Defeatist (aka CND) and the socialist workers party for my information. I think the end result of the cold war proved that the NATO alliance including Britain's independent nuclear deterrent was far from wrong. " Then you have concluded erroneously. | |||
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"I am so fed up with Corbyn's Labour. It is incompetent, unintelligent, uninspiring and worst of all un-electable - we need an effective opposition & soon! The Little Red Book stunt is the last straw... Figures from a Comres poll just the other day..... Labour...27% Conservative....42% UKIP....15% Lib dems.....7% Greens.....5% So from those figures it looks like Corbyns Labour is even more unpopular than Red Ed Milibands, lol. Corbyn may have support from grassroots Labour supporters but it's what the general public think in elections what matters. IPSOS Mori just published an in depth set of polls covering a wide variety of issues, and it puts Voting intentions as follows: Conservative 37% Labour 35% If you can be troubled to read it, it's all here: https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/political-monitor-november-2015-charts.pdf So rather than Labour being unelectable under Corbyn, they are actually doing better than under Miliband. Just fancy that! Unsurprisingly, this hasn't been covered very widely by the media. Betting markets are actually more accurate than polls. If you go on odds checker the best prices on tories are 2/5 and labour is on 11/4. Even the Scottish referendum was closer than that! Are they, now? Jeremy Corbyn was given odds of 100-1 to become the Labour leader.
Yes they are. Firstly you're stating an anecdotal example as if a single example refutes a average level of accuracy that is superior. Secondly, your example doesn't even work because he wasn't 100-1 for very long and certainty wasn't 100-1 in the final months leading up to his election.
Ipsos poll, Mori poll, Uncle Tom Cobley's poll or Dance pole.
The only one's that matter any time soon are the Oldham & Royton bye election next month and the local elections next spring.
Corbyn may be popular within the ranks of his own party but let's see how he fares with the electorate at large.
Could be very interesting.
Of course, polls can be wrong, and often are.
I only produce it because it is the most recent test available, and neatly bursts the illusion that Corbyn is either putting off voters, or is unelectable.
The fact is he is doing a great job - and is terrifying Tories everywhere."We will see how terrified the Tory's are a week tomorrow. | |||
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"Edwalu2 he isn't scaring the Tories in the slightest. They are simply laughing their arses off. To be honest, I haven't really heard the Tories say much about him at all. We have had him described as a "disgrace" by a group of MPs after his "no shoot to kill" debacle, where he was also criticised by Hilary Benn and Keith Vaz. His Shadow Secretary of Defence saying she was "Furious" with him over his decision to appoint Ken Livingston to co-write the shadow SDSR. We had virtually every Labour MP appalled by his decision not to sing the national anthem. So the Tories are politically savvy enough to let the Labour party destroy itself, rather than feel the need to join in themselves." In bizarro world, maybe. I feel sorry for you died in the wool Tories. You are clinging to this idea that your party sees him as a joke in desperation, because it's the only hope you've got. He cannot be challenged by anyone in your party, because there is no-one in a senior position who can match him intellectually, or in terms of connecting with people. He seems to keep having these 'debacles', that get a disproportionate amount of attention in the press, and yet he just keeps getting more and more popular with voters, as the polls continue to show. It's a wonderful time to be a socialist. | |||
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"Edwalu2 he isn't scaring the Tories in the slightest. They are simply laughing their arses off. To be honest, I haven't really heard the Tories say much about him at all. We have had him described as a "disgrace" by a group of MPs after his "no shoot to kill" debacle, where he was also criticised by Hilary Benn and Keith Vaz. His Shadow Secretary of Defence saying she was "Furious" with him over his decision to appoint Ken Livingston to co-write the shadow SDSR. We had virtually every Labour MP appalled by his decision not to sing the national anthem. So the Tories are politically savvy enough to let the Labour party destroy itself, rather than feel the need to join in themselves." Spot on | |||
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"Edwalu2 he isn't scaring the Tories in the slightest. They are simply laughing their arses off. To be honest, I haven't really heard the Tories say much about him at all. We have had him described as a "disgrace" by a group of MPs after his "no shoot to kill" debacle, where he was also criticised by Hilary Benn and Keith Vaz. His Shadow Secretary of Defence saying she was "Furious" with him over his decision to appoint Ken Livingston to co-write the shadow SDSR. We had virtually every Labour MP appalled by his decision not to sing the national anthem. So the Tories are politically savvy enough to let the Labour party destroy itself, rather than feel the need to join in themselves. In bizarro world, maybe. I feel sorry for you died in the wool Tories. You are clinging to this idea that your party sees him as a joke in desperation, because it's the only hope you've got. He cannot be challenged by anyone in your party, because there is no-one in a senior position who can match him intellectually, or in terms of connecting with people. He seems to keep having these 'debacles', that get a disproportionate amount of attention in the press, and yet he just keeps getting more and more popular with voters, as the polls continue to show. It's a wonderful time to be a socialist. "Who said Im a Tory? | |||
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"Edwalu2 he isn't scaring the Tories in the slightest. They are simply laughing their arses off. To be honest, I haven't really heard the Tories say much about him at all. We have had him described as a "disgrace" by a group of MPs after his "no shoot to kill" debacle, where he was also criticised by Hilary Benn and Keith Vaz. His Shadow Secretary of Defence saying she was "Furious" with him over his decision to appoint Ken Livingston to co-write the shadow SDSR. We had virtually every Labour MP appalled by his decision not to sing the national anthem. So the Tories are politically savvy enough to let the Labour party destroy itself, rather than feel the need to join in themselves. In bizarro world, maybe. I feel sorry for you died in the wool Tories. You are clinging to this idea that your party sees him as a joke in desperation, because it's the only hope you've got. He cannot be challenged by anyone in your party, because there is no-one in a senior position who can match him intellectually, or in terms of connecting with people. He seems to keep having these 'debacles', that get a disproportionate amount of attention in the press, and yet he just keeps getting more and more popular with voters, as the polls continue to show. It's a wonderful time to be a socialist. "I'm a died-in-the-wool socialist who believes in almost everything Jezza says, but also believes he isn't capable of carrying this off. I don't think he or his foolish buddy have the intellect or the charisma (unfortunately). We are on a one-way road to the Blairite brother with the superficial smile. | |||
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"Edwalu2 he isn't scaring the Tories in the slightest. They are simply laughing their arses off. To be honest, I haven't really heard the Tories say much about him at all. We have had him described as a "disgrace" by a group of MPs after his "no shoot to kill" debacle, where he was also criticised by Hilary Benn and Keith Vaz. His Shadow Secretary of Defence saying she was "Furious" with him over his decision to appoint Ken Livingston to co-write the shadow SDSR. We had virtually every Labour MP appalled by his decision not to sing the national anthem. So the Tories are politically savvy enough to let the Labour party destroy itself, rather than feel the need to join in themselves. In bizarro world, maybe. I feel sorry for you died in the wool Tories. You are clinging to this idea that your party sees him as a joke in desperation, because it's the only hope you've got. He cannot be challenged by anyone in your party, because there is no-one in a senior position who can match him intellectually, or in terms of connecting with people. He seems to keep having these 'debacles', that get a disproportionate amount of attention in the press, and yet he just keeps getting more and more popular with voters, as the polls continue to show. It's a wonderful time to be a socialist. "Think you have got the wrong thread for that one. Better posted here. https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/448795 | |||
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"Edwalu2 he isn't scaring the Tories in the slightest. They are simply laughing their arses off. To be honest, I haven't really heard the Tories say much about him at all. We have had him described as a "disgrace" by a group of MPs after his "no shoot to kill" debacle, where he was also criticised by Hilary Benn and Keith Vaz. His Shadow Secretary of Defence saying she was "Furious" with him over his decision to appoint Ken Livingston to co-write the shadow SDSR. We had virtually every Labour MP appalled by his decision not to sing the national anthem. So the Tories are politically savvy enough to let the Labour party destroy itself, rather than feel the need to join in themselves. In bizarro world, maybe. I feel sorry for you died in the wool Tories. You are clinging to this idea that your party sees him as a joke in desperation, because it's the only hope you've got. He cannot be challenged by anyone in your party, because there is no-one in a senior position who can match him intellectually, or in terms of connecting with people. He seems to keep having these 'debacles', that get a disproportionate amount of attention in the press, and yet he just keeps getting more and more popular with voters, as the polls continue to show. It's a wonderful time to be a socialist.
Think you have got the wrong thread for that one.
Better posted here.
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"Edwalu2 he isn't scaring the Tories in the slightest. They are simply laughing their arses off. To be honest, I haven't really heard the Tories say much about him at all. We have had him described as a "disgrace" by a group of MPs after his "no shoot to kill" debacle, where he was also criticised by Hilary Benn and Keith Vaz. His Shadow Secretary of Defence saying she was "Furious" with him over his decision to appoint Ken Livingston to co-write the shadow SDSR. We had virtually every Labour MP appalled by his decision not to sing the national anthem. So the Tories are politically savvy enough to let the Labour party destroy itself, rather than feel the need to join in themselves. In bizarro world, maybe. I feel sorry for you died in the wool Tories. You are clinging to this idea that your party sees him as a joke in desperation, because it's the only hope you've got. He cannot be challenged by anyone in your party, because there is no-one in a senior position who can match him intellectually, or in terms of connecting with people. He seems to keep having these 'debacles', that get a disproportionate amount of attention in the press, and yet he just keeps getting more and more popular with voters, as the polls continue to show. It's a wonderful time to be a socialist.
I'm a died-in-the-wool socialist who believes in almost everything Jezza says, but also believes he isn't capable of carrying this off. I don't think he or his foolish buddy have the intellect or the charisma (unfortunately).
We are on a one-way road to the Blairite brother with the superficial smile."You're totally wrong in my opinion. But at least you are a decent human being! | |||
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"Edwalu2 he isn't scaring the Tories in the slightest. They are simply laughing their arses off. To be honest, I haven't really heard the Tories say much about him at all. We have had him described as a "disgrace" by a group of MPs after his "no shoot to kill" debacle, where he was also criticised by Hilary Benn and Keith Vaz. His Shadow Secretary of Defence saying she was "Furious" with him over his decision to appoint Ken Livingston to co-write the shadow SDSR. We had virtually every Labour MP appalled by his decision not to sing the national anthem. So the Tories are politically savvy enough to let the Labour party destroy itself, rather than feel the need to join in themselves. In bizarro world, maybe. I feel sorry for you died in the wool Tories. You are clinging to this idea that your party sees him as a joke in desperation, because it's the only hope you've got. He cannot be challenged by anyone in your party, because there is no-one in a senior position who can match him intellectually, or in terms of connecting with people. He seems to keep having these 'debacles', that get a disproportionate amount of attention in the press, and yet he just keeps getting more and more popular with voters, as the polls continue to show. It's a wonderful time to be a socialist. "'died in the wool' Freudian slip? Enjoy your socialist time, in politics everything ends in tears. | |||
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"I am so fed up with Corbyn's Labour. It is incompetent, unintelligent, uninspiring and worst of all un-electable - we need an effective opposition & soon! The Little Red Book stunt is the last straw... Figures from a Comres poll just the other day..... Labour...27% Conservative....42% UKIP....15% Lib dems.....7% Greens.....5% So from those figures it looks like Corbyns Labour is even more unpopular than Red Ed Milibands, lol. Corbyn may have support from grassroots Labour supporters but it's what the general public think in elections what matters. IPSOS Mori just published an in depth set of polls covering a wide variety of issues, and it puts Voting intentions as follows: Conservative 37% Labour 35% If you can be troubled to read it, it's all here: https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/political-monitor-november-2015-charts.pdf So rather than Labour being unelectable under Corbyn, they are actually doing better than under Miliband. Just fancy that! Unsurprisingly, this hasn't been covered very widely by the media. Betting markets are actually more accurate than polls. If you go on odds checker the best prices on tories are 2/5 and labour is on 11/4. Even the Scottish referendum was closer than that! Are they, now? Jeremy Corbyn was given odds of 100-1 to become the Labour leader.
Yes they are. Firstly you're stating an anecdotal example as if a single example refutes a average level of accuracy that is superior. Secondly, your example doesn't even work because he wasn't 100-1 for very long and certainty wasn't 100-1 in the final months leading up to his election.
You can prove anything if you omit the facts that don't suit, eh?
And you can believe anything if it seems to support what you want believe. Do you really believe that Labour can win the next election with J2 running the show?
Very much so.
The media line is that he is unelectable. The polls show that he is doing better than Miliband. The media is wildly at odds with public opinion.
Couple that with his strong genuine left wing stances causing Tory U-turns seemingly daily, his strong appearances at PMQs showing people that he is a fine politician who understands and values what is important to the public, rather than being a raving communist, and the increasingly hysterical news coverage actually causing people to like him more and more...things are looking very bright for 2020 indeed. "Hey, I quite like him to but there is no way on earth I'd ever vote for him. As for JM... You really need to wake up. | |||
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"Edwalu2 he isn't scaring the Tories in the slightest. They are simply laughing their arses off. To be honest, I haven't really heard the Tories say much about him at all. We have had him described as a "disgrace" by a group of MPs after his "no shoot to kill" debacle, where he was also criticised by Hilary Benn and Keith Vaz. His Shadow Secretary of Defence saying she was "Furious" with him over his decision to appoint Ken Livingston to co-write the shadow SDSR. We had virtually every Labour MP appalled by his decision not to sing the national anthem. So the Tories are politically savvy enough to let the Labour party destroy itself, rather than feel the need to join in themselves. In bizarro world, maybe. I feel sorry for you died in the wool Tories. You are clinging to this idea that your party sees him as a joke in desperation, because it's the only hope you've got. He cannot be challenged by anyone in your party, because there is no-one in a senior position who can match him intellectually, or in terms of connecting with people. He seems to keep having these 'debacles', that get a disproportionate amount of attention in the press, and yet he just keeps getting more and more popular with voters, as the polls continue to show. It's a wonderful time to be a socialist.
I'm a died-in-the-wool socialist who believes in almost everything Jezza says, but also believes he isn't capable of carrying this off. I don't think he or his foolish buddy have the intellect or the charisma (unfortunately).
We are on a one-way road to the Blairite brother with the superficial smile.
You're totally wrong in my opinion. But at least you are a decent human being! "Ah so the rest of us aren't decent human beings because we don't want to repeat the mistakes of the Soviet Union / Moaist China / North Korea or Cuba. Got it. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. | |||
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"I am so fed up with Corbyn's Labour. It is incompetent, unintelligent, uninspiring and worst of all un-electable - we need an effective opposition & soon! The Little Red Book stunt is the last straw... "Am I the only one who didn't get the (attempted) joke at all? The guardian were trying to say that it was a reference to Osborne's visits to China but that doesn't make any sense. The people George met despise Mao, as have most leaders since Deng Xiaoping (1981 - 1987) | |||
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"I am so fed up with Corbyn's Labour. It is incompetent, unintelligent, uninspiring and worst of all un-electable - we need an effective opposition & soon! The Little Red Book stunt is the last straw... Figures from a Comres poll just the other day..... Labour...27% Conservative....42% UKIP....15% Lib dems.....7% Greens.....5% So from those figures it looks like Corbyns Labour is even more unpopular than Red Ed Milibands, lol. Corbyn may have support from grassroots Labour supporters but it's what the general public think in elections what matters. IPSOS Mori just published an in depth set of polls covering a wide variety of issues, and it puts Voting intentions as follows: Conservative 37% Labour 35% If you can be troubled to read it, it's all here: https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/political-monitor-november-2015-charts.pdf So rather than Labour being unelectable under Corbyn, they are actually doing better than under Miliband. Just fancy that! Unsurprisingly, this hasn't been covered very widely by the media. Betting markets are actually more accurate than polls. If you go on odds checker the best prices on tories are 2/5 and labour is on 11/4. Even the Scottish referendum was closer than that! " Another 3 or 4 years of the tories pulling your pants down and kicking your arses will soon see the polls go the other way. The media are raping Corbyn and making out he is a numpty! Although i do not agree with all his ideals i can still see the tories for what they are,a party to help the well off as well as their mates whilst screwing the rest and lining their pockets. The young of this country have taken to Corbyn as he at least comes over as though he cares  | |||
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"Edwalu2 he isn't scaring the Tories in the slightest. They are simply laughing their arses off. To be honest, I haven't really heard the Tories say much about him at all. We have had him described as a "disgrace" by a group of MPs after his "no shoot to kill" debacle, where he was also criticised by Hilary Benn and Keith Vaz. His Shadow Secretary of Defence saying she was "Furious" with him over his decision to appoint Ken Livingston to co-write the shadow SDSR. We had virtually every Labour MP appalled by his decision not to sing the national anthem. So the Tories are politically savvy enough to let the Labour party destroy itself, rather than feel the need to join in themselves. In bizarro world, maybe. I feel sorry for you died in the wool Tories. You are clinging to this idea that your party sees him as a joke in desperation, because it's the only hope you've got. He cannot be challenged by anyone in your party, because there is no-one in a senior position who can match him intellectually, or in terms of connecting with people. He seems to keep having these 'debacles', that get a disproportionate amount of attention in the press, and yet he just keeps getting more and more popular with voters, as the polls continue to show. It's a wonderful time to be a socialist.
I'm a died-in-the-wool socialist who believes in almost everything Jezza says, but also believes he isn't capable of carrying this off. I don't think he or his foolish buddy have the intellect or the charisma (unfortunately).
We are on a one-way road to the Blairite brother with the superficial smile.
You're totally wrong in my opinion. But at least you are a decent human being!
Ah so the rest of us aren't decent human beings because we don't want to repeat the mistakes of the Soviet Union / Moaist China / North Korea or Cuba. Got it.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. "Hey, here's a quote from another high profile British Communist, in love with Chairman Mao: "Like Chairman Mao, we’ve embarked on a Long March to reform our education system." That Michael Gove, eh? He's got reds under the bed for sure! I bet he rides to work on a Chairman Mao-style bicycle (also known as a bicycle, for people who don't read the Telegraph) like Comrade Jezza! | |||
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"For crying out loud the next election is 4.5 years away. I don't understand why the right-wing are so obsessed with him, constantly thinking and talking about him, if they think he's so useless. He'll be long gone by 2020. They are obsessed with him because they are terrified of him. If he was unelectable, they would not be obsessed with trying to discredit him. It's clear to see." You are just so wrong. I think we know better what we believe than you do. Conservative Central office is not scared of Corbyn. As I've said before Corbyn only worries those on the right of the Tory party, because they are worried that with the centre ground empty the Conservatives will move to the left to occupy it, and those on the left because, with no affective opposition and the possibility of this remaining so till after the next general election, that the party moves to the right as they'll probably win any election regardless what they do. In short the only worries anyone in the Conservative party has about Corbyn is how it effects where the Conservatives should place themselves. Non of them are even the least bit worried that he'll actually lead Labour to election victory. | |||
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"Yes, the leader of the opposition shaming the government at PMQs and in the national media on a regular basis, thus making sure it was firmly on the national agenda, had nothing at all to do with anything else that happened.
Do we watch the same PMQ!? "Yes we do. But understanding it makes a big difference to interpretation. | |||
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"Edwalu2 he isn't scaring the Tories in the slightest. They are simply laughing their arses off. To be honest, I haven't really heard the Tories say much about him at all. We have had him described as a "disgrace" by a group of MPs after his "no shoot to kill" debacle, where he was also criticised by Hilary Benn and Keith Vaz. His Shadow Secretary of Defence saying she was "Furious" with him over his decision to appoint Ken Livingston to co-write the shadow SDSR. We had virtually every Labour MP appalled by his decision not to sing the national anthem. So the Tories are politically savvy enough to let the Labour party destroy itself, rather than feel the need to join in themselves. In bizarro world, maybe. I feel sorry for you died in the wool Tories. You are clinging to this idea that your party sees him as a joke in desperation, because it's the only hope you've got. He cannot be challenged by anyone in your party, because there is no-one in a senior position who can match him intellectually, or in terms of connecting with people. He seems to keep having these 'debacles', that get a disproportionate amount of attention in the press, and yet he just keeps getting more and more popular with voters, as the polls continue to show. It's a wonderful time to be a socialist.
I'm a died-in-the-wool socialist who believes in almost everything Jezza says, but also believes he isn't capable of carrying this off. I don't think he or his foolish buddy have the intellect or the charisma (unfortunately).
We are on a one-way road to the Blairite brother with the superficial smile.
You're totally wrong in my opinion. But at least you are a decent human being!
Ah so the rest of us aren't decent human beings because we don't want to repeat the mistakes of the Soviet Union / Moaist China / North Korea or Cuba. Got it.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Hey, here's a quote from another high profile British Communist, in love with Chairman Mao:
"Like Chairman Mao, we’ve embarked on a Long March to reform our education system."
That Michael Gove, eh? He's got reds under the bed for sure! I bet he rides to work on a Chairman Mao-style bicycle (also known as a bicycle, for people who don't read the Telegraph) like Comrade Jezza!"Yes I'm sure Michael Grove wanted to leave NATO and cosy up with the Soviet Union. Just out of interest, which communist / socialist country do you wish Britain was more like? | |||
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"For crying out loud the next election is 4.5 years away. I don't understand why the right-wing are so obsessed with him, constantly thinking and talking about him, if they think he's so useless. He'll be long gone by 2020. They are obsessed with him because they are terrified of him. If he was unelectable, they would not be obsessed with trying to discredit him. It's clear to see. You are just so wrong. I think we know better what we believe than you do. Conservative Central office is not scared of Corbyn. As I've said before Corbyn only worries those on the right of the Tory party, because they are worried that with the centre ground empty the Conservatives will move to the left to occupy it, and those on the left because, with no affective opposition and the possibility of this remaining so till after the next general election, that the party moves to the right as they'll probably win any election regardless what they do. In short the only worries anyone in the Conservative party has about Corbyn is how it effects where the Conservatives should place themselves. Non of them are even the least bit worried that he'll actually lead Labour to election victory." Keep repeating that, and eventually you might even convince yourself. | |||
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"Edwalu2 he isn't scaring the Tories in the slightest. They are simply laughing their arses off. To be honest, I haven't really heard the Tories say much about him at all. We have had him described as a "disgrace" by a group of MPs after his "no shoot to kill" debacle, where he was also criticised by Hilary Benn and Keith Vaz. His Shadow Secretary of Defence saying she was "Furious" with him over his decision to appoint Ken Livingston to co-write the shadow SDSR. We had virtually every Labour MP appalled by his decision not to sing the national anthem. So the Tories are politically savvy enough to let the Labour party destroy itself, rather than feel the need to join in themselves. In bizarro world, maybe. I feel sorry for you died in the wool Tories. You are clinging to this idea that your party sees him as a joke in desperation, because it's the only hope you've got. He cannot be challenged by anyone in your party, because there is no-one in a senior position who can match him intellectually, or in terms of connecting with people. He seems to keep having these 'debacles', that get a disproportionate amount of attention in the press, and yet he just keeps getting more and more popular with voters, as the polls continue to show. It's a wonderful time to be a socialist.
I'm a died-in-the-wool socialist who believes in almost everything Jezza says, but also believes he isn't capable of carrying this off. I don't think he or his foolish buddy have the intellect or the charisma (unfortunately).
We are on a one-way road to the Blairite brother with the superficial smile.
You're totally wrong in my opinion. But at least you are a decent human being!
Ah so the rest of us aren't decent human beings because we don't want to repeat the mistakes of the Soviet Union / Moaist China / North Korea or Cuba. Got it.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. "As with all utopian ideologies if you disagree with them you are automatically demonised. If your not a socialist you're not a decent human being....you don't care... you're ill informed...you are intellectually inferior...you need educating by those who know best...you're a traitor to your class.... the list goes on | |||
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"Edwalu2 he isn't scaring the Tories in the slightest. They are simply laughing their arses off. To be honest, I haven't really heard the Tories say much about him at all. We have had him described as a "disgrace" by a group of MPs after his "no shoot to kill" debacle, where he was also criticised by Hilary Benn and Keith Vaz. His Shadow Secretary of Defence saying she was "Furious" with him over his decision to appoint Ken Livingston to co-write the shadow SDSR. We had virtually every Labour MP appalled by his decision not to sing the national anthem. So the Tories are politically savvy enough to let the Labour party destroy itself, rather than feel the need to join in themselves. In bizarro world, maybe. I feel sorry for you died in the wool Tories. You are clinging to this idea that your party sees him as a joke in desperation, because it's the only hope you've got. He cannot be challenged by anyone in your party, because there is no-one in a senior position who can match him intellectually, or in terms of connecting with people. He seems to keep having these 'debacles', that get a disproportionate amount of attention in the press, and yet he just keeps getting more and more popular with voters, as the polls continue to show. It's a wonderful time to be a socialist.
I'm a died-in-the-wool socialist who believes in almost everything Jezza says, but also believes he isn't capable of carrying this off. I don't think he or his foolish buddy have the intellect or the charisma (unfortunately).
We are on a one-way road to the Blairite brother with the superficial smile.
You're totally wrong in my opinion. But at least you are a decent human being!
Ah so the rest of us aren't decent human beings because we don't want to repeat the mistakes of the Soviet Union / Moaist China / North Korea or Cuba. Got it.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Hey, here's a quote from another high profile British Communist, in love with Chairman Mao:
"Like Chairman Mao, we’ve embarked on a Long March to reform our education system."
That Michael Gove, eh? He's got reds under the bed for sure! I bet he rides to work on a Chairman Mao-style bicycle (also known as a bicycle, for people who don't read the Telegraph) like Comrade Jezza!
Yes I'm sure Michael Grove wanted to leave NATO and cosy up with the Soviet Union. Just out of interest, which communist / socialist country do you wish Britain was more like? "Who's Michael Grove? If you mean Michael Gove, he probably doesn't want to. But he does want to doom us to several generations of fear, violence and continually eroded liberty by stoking the fires of radicalisation in the Middle East. Which is far more dangerous than either of the previous options. | |||
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"Edwalu2 he isn't scaring the Tories in the slightest. They are simply laughing their arses off. To be honest, I haven't really heard the Tories say much about him at all. We have had him described as a "disgrace" by a group of MPs after his "no shoot to kill" debacle, where he was also criticised by Hilary Benn and Keith Vaz. His Shadow Secretary of Defence saying she was "Furious" with him over his decision to appoint Ken Livingston to co-write the shadow SDSR. We had virtually every Labour MP appalled by his decision not to sing the national anthem. So the Tories are politically savvy enough to let the Labour party destroy itself, rather than feel the need to join in themselves. In bizarro world, maybe. I feel sorry for you died in the wool Tories. You are clinging to this idea that your party sees him as a joke in desperation, because it's the only hope you've got. He cannot be challenged by anyone in your party, because there is no-one in a senior position who can match him intellectually, or in terms of connecting with people. He seems to keep having these 'debacles', that get a disproportionate amount of attention in the press, and yet he just keeps getting more and more popular with voters, as the polls continue to show. It's a wonderful time to be a socialist.
I'm a died-in-the-wool socialist who believes in almost everything Jezza says, but also believes he isn't capable of carrying this off. I don't think he or his foolish buddy have the intellect or the charisma (unfortunately).
We are on a one-way road to the Blairite brother with the superficial smile.
You're totally wrong in my opinion. But at least you are a decent human being!
Ah so the rest of us aren't decent human beings because we don't want to repeat the mistakes of the Soviet Union / Moaist China / North Korea or Cuba. Got it.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Hey, here's a quote from another high profile British Communist, in love with Chairman Mao:
"Like Chairman Mao, we’ve embarked on a Long March to reform our education system."
That Michael Gove, eh? He's got reds under the bed for sure! I bet he rides to work on a Chairman Mao-style bicycle (also known as a bicycle, for people who don't read the Telegraph) like Comrade Jezza!
Yes I'm sure Michael Grove wanted to leave NATO and cosy up with the Soviet Union. Just out of interest, which communist / socialist country do you wish Britain was more like?
Who's Michael Grove?
If you mean Michael Gove, he probably doesn't want to. But he does want to doom us to several generations of fear, violence and continually eroded liberty by stoking the fires of radicalisation in the Middle East.
Which is far more dangerous than either of the previous options."Care to answer my question now or shall we degenerate into spelling comments? | |||
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I'm a died-in-the-wool socialist who believes in almost everything Jezza says, but also believes he isn't capable of carrying this off. I don't think he or his foolish buddy have the intellect or the charisma (unfortunately).
We are on a one-way road to the Blairite brother with the superficial smile.
You're totally wrong in my opinion. But at least you are a decent human being!
Ah so the rest of us aren't decent human beings because we don't want to repeat the mistakes of the Soviet Union / Moaist China / North Korea or Cuba. Got it.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
As with all utopian ideologies if you disagree with them you are automatically demonised. If your not a socialist you're not a decent human being....you don't care... you're ill informed...you are intellectually inferior...you need educating by those who know best...you're a traitor to your class.... the list goes on "So, with that post one can conclude that you don't think people on the right should also automatically demonise socialists. People like Jeremy Corbyn, perhaps? Or is that okay, because...er...well it just is! | |||
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I'm a died-in-the-wool socialist who believes in almost everything Jezza says, but also believes he isn't capable of carrying this off. I don't think he or his foolish buddy have the intellect or the charisma (unfortunately).
We are on a one-way road to the Blairite brother with the superficial smile.
You're totally wrong in my opinion. But at least you are a decent human being!
Ah so the rest of us aren't decent human beings because we don't want to repeat the mistakes of the Soviet Union / Moaist China / North Korea or Cuba. Got it.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Hey, here's a quote from another high profile British Communist, in love with Chairman Mao:
"Like Chairman Mao, we’ve embarked on a Long March to reform our education system."
That Michael Gove, eh? He's got reds under the bed for sure! I bet he rides to work on a Chairman Mao-style bicycle (also known as a bicycle, for people who don't read the Telegraph) like Comrade Jezza!
Yes I'm sure Michael Grove wanted to leave NATO and cosy up with the Soviet Union. Just out of interest, which communist / socialist country do you wish Britain was more like?
Who's Michael Grove?
If you mean Michael Gove, he probably doesn't want to. But he does want to doom us to several generations of fear, violence and continually eroded liberty by stoking the fires of radicalisation in the Middle East.
Which is far more dangerous than either of the previous options.
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Yes we do. But understanding it makes a big difference to interpretation.
Miaow! "See the great unwashed (us) are too stupid to know what's going on in the world. Thankfully there are people who know more than us because they've never needed to waste time working a real job (Corbyn). Just listen to the party line and drink the kool aid. | |||
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"give it a couple more months and there will be talk of a break away and most of labours established mps will breakawy and form a new labour party similar to what the lib-dems did"
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Yes we do. But understanding it makes a big difference to interpretation.
Miaow!
See the great unwashed (us) are too stupid to know what's going on in the world. Thankfully there are people who know more than us because they've never needed to waste time working a real job (Corbyn). Just listen to the party line and drink the kool aid. "Yes, Jeremy really should bow to the Tories on that front. Maybe the Prime Minister could tell him what it's like to really graft for a living! | |||
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Do we watch the same PMQ!?
Yes we do. But understanding it makes a big difference to interpretation.
Miaow!
See the great unwashed (us) are too stupid to know what's going on in the world. Thankfully there are people who know more than us because they've never needed to waste time working a real job (Corbyn). Just listen to the party line and drink the kool aid.
Yes, Jeremy really should bow to the Tories on that front. Maybe the Prime Minister could tell him what it's like to really graft for a living! "He'd know more about it than corbyn. I'm still waiting for that example of a successful socialist country by the way... | |||
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Haven't heard much out of you today. Still reeling from you poll being blown clean out of the water? "Some of us actually have to go out to work for a living, unlike the champagne socialists with 2 kitchens and 2 million quid houses. | |||
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Yes we do. But understanding it makes a big difference to interpretation.
Miaow!
See the great unwashed (us) are too stupid to know what's going on in the world. Thankfully there are people who know more than us because they've never needed to waste time working a real job (Corbyn). Just listen to the party line and drink the kool aid.
Yes, Jeremy really should bow to the Tories on that front. Maybe the Prime Minister could tell him what it's like to really graft for a living!
He'd know more about it than corbyn. I'm still waiting for that example of a successful socialist country by the way..."Really? Tell us all about what great experience of working in a real job David Cameron has got then...if you dare! | |||
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" The young of this country have taken to Corbyn as he at least comes over as though he cares "I'd noticed this - and actually a lot of the braying from smug clarksonesque types about him (you could imagine this thread taking place as an actual debate in a pub, say), is making him appeal still further. | |||
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Haven't heard much out of you today. Still reeling from you poll being blown clean out of the water?
Some of us actually have to go out to work for a living, unlike the champagne socialists with 2 kitchens and 2 million quid houses."I'll take that a yes then. Polls eh? They betray us so easily! For minimal embarrassment, check facts before posting. | |||
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Yes we do. But understanding it makes a big difference to interpretation.
Miaow!
See the great unwashed (us) are too stupid to know what's going on in the world. Thankfully there are people who know more than us because they've never needed to waste time working a real job (Corbyn). Just listen to the party line and drink the kool aid.
Yes, Jeremy really should bow to the Tories on that front. Maybe the Prime Minister could tell him what it's like to really graft for a living!
He'd know more about it than corbyn. I'm still waiting for that example of a successful socialist country by the way...
Really? Tell us all about what great experience of working in a real job David Cameron has got then...if you dare! "Google it yourself, he's had a job. I'm not his mate, I'm not here to defend him. But bottom line, he has some real work experience, JC doesn't. | |||
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Yes we do. But understanding it makes a big difference to interpretation.
Miaow!
See the great unwashed (us) are too stupid to know what's going on in the world. Thankfully there are people who know more than us because they've never needed to waste time working a real job (Corbyn). Just listen to the party line and drink the kool aid.
Yes, Jeremy really should bow to the Tories on that front. Maybe the Prime Minister could tell him what it's like to really graft for a living!
He'd know more about it than corbyn. I'm still waiting for that example of a successful socialist country by the way..."OK I'll have go at the successful socialist/communist country. Er...... hmmmmm......oh... er no........ah, what about.... er no......then there was.....oops sorry, er..... I'll get back to you. | |||
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"Edwalu2 he isn't scaring the Tories in the slightest. They are simply laughing their arses off. To be honest, I haven't really heard the Tories say much about him at all. We have had him described as a "disgrace" by a group of MPs after his "no shoot to kill" debacle, where he was also criticised by Hilary Benn and Keith Vaz. His Shadow Secretary of Defence saying she was "Furious" with him over his decision to appoint Ken Livingston to co-write the shadow SDSR. We had virtually every Labour MP appalled by his decision not to sing the national anthem. So the Tories are politically savvy enough to let the Labour party destroy itself, rather than feel the need to join in themselves. In bizarro world, maybe. I feel sorry for you died in the wool Tories. You are clinging to this idea that your party sees him as a joke in desperation, because it's the only hope you've got. He cannot be challenged by anyone in your party, because there is no-one in a senior position who can match him intellectually, or in terms of connecting with people. He seems to keep having these 'debacles', that get a disproportionate amount of attention in the press, and yet he just keeps getting more and more popular with voters, as the polls continue to show. It's a wonderful time to be a socialist.
I'm a died-in-the-wool socialist who believes in almost everything Jezza says, but also believes he isn't capable of carrying this off. I don't think he or his foolish buddy have the intellect or the charisma (unfortunately).
We are on a one-way road to the Blairite brother with the superficial smile.
You're totally wrong in my opinion. But at least you are a decent human being!
Ah so the rest of us aren't decent human beings because we don't want to repeat the mistakes of the Soviet Union / Moaist China / North Korea or Cuba. Got it.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
As with all utopian ideologies if you disagree with them you are automatically demonised. If your not a socialist you're not a decent human being....you don't care... you're ill informed...you are intellectually inferior...you need educating by those who know best...you're a traitor to your class.... the list goes on
So, with that post one can conclude that you don't think people on the right should also automatically demonise socialists.
People like Jeremy Corbyn, perhaps? Or is that okay, because...er...well it just is! "Just don't get it do you...I may not agree with Corbyn on many things, but respect his right to express an opinion without questioning his ability to care, reason, or his sincerity. | |||
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Do we watch the same PMQ!?
Yes we do. But understanding it makes a big difference to interpretation.
Miaow!
See the great unwashed (us) are too stupid to know what's going on in the world. Thankfully there are people who know more than us because they've never needed to waste time working a real job (Corbyn). Just listen to the party line and drink the kool aid.
Yes, Jeremy really should bow to the Tories on that front. Maybe the Prime Minister could tell him what it's like to really graft for a living!
He'd know more about it than corbyn. I'm still waiting for that example of a successful socialist country by the way...
Really? Tell us all about what great experience of working in a real job David Cameron has got then...if you dare! "The reason you won't answer the question is because socialism doesn't work. | |||
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Yes we do. But understanding it makes a big difference to interpretation.
Miaow!
See the great unwashed (us) are too stupid to know what's going on in the world. Thankfully there are people who know more than us because they've never needed to waste time working a real job (Corbyn). Just listen to the party line and drink the kool aid.
Yes, Jeremy really should bow to the Tories on that front. Maybe the Prime Minister could tell him what it's like to really graft for a living!
He'd know more about it than corbyn. I'm still waiting for that example of a successful socialist country by the way...
Really? Tell us all about what great experience of working in a real job David Cameron has got then...if you dare!
Google it yourself, he's had a job. I'm not his mate, I'm not here to defend him. But bottom line, he has some real work experience, JC doesn't. "Haha, I didn't think you'd have the nerve! Don't worry, I won't post it if you won't. | |||
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I'd noticed this - and actually a lot of the braying from smug clarksonesque types about him (you could imagine this thread taking place as an actual debate in a pub, say), is making him appeal still further. "Not the pub Nigel Farage drinks in.  | |||
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"Edwalu2 he isn't scaring the Tories in the slightest. They are simply laughing their arses off. To be honest, I haven't really heard the Tories say much about him at all. We have had him described as a "disgrace" by a group of MPs after his "no shoot to kill" debacle, where he was also criticised by Hilary Benn and Keith Vaz. His Shadow Secretary of Defence saying she was "Furious" with him over his decision to appoint Ken Livingston to co-write the shadow SDSR. We had virtually every Labour MP appalled by his decision not to sing the national anthem. So the Tories are politically savvy enough to let the Labour party destroy itself, rather than feel the need to join in themselves. In bizarro world, maybe. I feel sorry for you died in the wool Tories. You are clinging to this idea that your party sees him as a joke in desperation, because it's the only hope you've got. He cannot be challenged by anyone in your party, because there is no-one in a senior position who can match him intellectually, or in terms of connecting with people. He seems to keep having these 'debacles', that get a disproportionate amount of attention in the press, and yet he just keeps getting more and more popular with voters, as the polls continue to show. It's a wonderful time to be a socialist.
I'm a died-in-the-wool socialist who believes in almost everything Jezza says, but also believes he isn't capable of carrying this off. I don't think he or his foolish buddy have the intellect or the charisma (unfortunately).
We are on a one-way road to the Blairite brother with the superficial smile.
You're totally wrong in my opinion. But at least you are a decent human being!
Ah so the rest of us aren't decent human beings because we don't want to repeat the mistakes of the Soviet Union / Moaist China / North Korea or Cuba. Got it.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
As with all utopian ideologies if you disagree with them you are automatically demonised. If your not a socialist you're not a decent human being....you don't care... you're ill informed...you are intellectually inferior...you need educating by those who know best...you're a traitor to your class.... the list goes on
So, with that post one can conclude that you don't think people on the right should also automatically demonise socialists.
People like Jeremy Corbyn, perhaps? Or is that okay, because...er...well it just is!
Just don't get it do you...I may not agree with Corbyn on many things, but respect his right to express an opinion without questioning his ability to care, reason, or his sincerity.
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Yes we do. But understanding it makes a big difference to interpretation.
Miaow!
See the great unwashed (us) are too stupid to know what's going on in the world. Thankfully there are people who know more than us because they've never needed to waste time working a real job (Corbyn). Just listen to the party line and drink the kool aid.
Yes, Jeremy really should bow to the Tories on that front. Maybe the Prime Minister could tell him what it's like to really graft for a living!
He'd know more about it than corbyn. I'm still waiting for that example of a successful socialist country by the way...
OK I'll have go at the successful socialist/communist country.
Er...... hmmmmm......oh... er no........ah, what about.... er no......then there was.....oops sorry, er..... I'll get back to you. "You've missed the point - without socialism we wouldn't have an NHS, universal sufferage, paid leave from work etc etc. You appear to be limiting yourself to vanguardism/dictatorships. | |||
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"Edwalu2 he isn't scaring the Tories in the slightest. They are simply laughing their arses off. To be honest, I haven't really heard the Tories say much about him at all. We have had him described as a "disgrace" by a group of MPs after his "no shoot to kill" debacle, where he was also criticised by Hilary Benn and Keith Vaz. His Shadow Secretary of Defence saying she was "Furious" with him over his decision to appoint Ken Livingston to co-write the shadow SDSR. We had virtually every Labour MP appalled by his decision not to sing the national anthem. So the Tories are politically savvy enough to let the Labour party destroy itself, rather than feel the need to join in themselves. In bizarro world, maybe. I feel sorry for you died in the wool Tories. You are clinging to this idea that your party sees him as a joke in desperation, because it's the only hope you've got. He cannot be challenged by anyone in your party, because there is no-one in a senior position who can match him intellectually, or in terms of connecting with people. He seems to keep having these 'debacles', that get a disproportionate amount of attention in the press, and yet he just keeps getting more and more popular with voters, as the polls continue to show. It's a wonderful time to be a socialist.
I'm a died-in-the-wool socialist who believes in almost everything Jezza says, but also believes he isn't capable of carrying this off. I don't think he or his foolish buddy have the intellect or the charisma (unfortunately).
We are on a one-way road to the Blairite brother with the superficial smile.
You're totally wrong in my opinion. But at least you are a decent human being!
Ah so the rest of us aren't decent human beings because we don't want to repeat the mistakes of the Soviet Union / Moaist China / North Korea or Cuba. Got it.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
As with all utopian ideologies if you disagree with them you are automatically demonised. If your not a socialist you're not a decent human being....you don't care... you're ill informed...you are intellectually inferior...you need educating by those who know best...you're a traitor to your class.... the list goes on "Not true the right wing as well look at how they slated Corbin for not singing the nathinal. If you are left wing you get slanted for not being patriotic enough is just one example. | |||
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"Except of course, if you actually listened to what was said, you would have realised that it was a poke at the Tories for selling off national assets to the Chinese. The point being, that Cameron might need to own a copy of Mao's book in order to better understand who he is doing business with. I happened to catch the quote on Vine today and then listen to the debate go off at rather an odd tangent. Well for that to work then Xi Jinping would have to like Mao, which be doesn't. It wasn't the cleverest of analogies, but still - that was the point of it. I don't know how any but the most stupid could actually listen to what was said (you'd need the preamble and not just the quote from Mao) and not understand that was the point - hence the offer of the gift of the little red book. Don't forget, most people get their understanding of parliament by being told what happened by the front of the papers, rather than hearing it and forming a conclusion for themselves." Is that really the case when newspaper readership has declined over the last 10years. | |||
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"What ever happened to comical Ali? Did he move to Bristol with his partner and join fabswingers?
Haven't heard much out of you today. Still reeling from you poll being blown clean out of the water?
Some of us actually have to go out to work for a living, unlike the champagne socialists with 2 kitchens and 2 million quid houses.
I'll take that a yes then. Polls eh? They betray us so easily! For minimal embarrassment, check facts before posting. "I did check the facts, and it wasn't "my poll" it was a "Comres poll" which was printed in last weekends newspapers. | |||
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Do we watch the same PMQ!?
Yes we do. But understanding it makes a big difference to interpretation.
Miaow!
See the great unwashed (us) are too stupid to know what's going on in the world. Thankfully there are people who know more than us because they've never needed to waste time working a real job (Corbyn). Just listen to the party line and drink the kool aid.
Yes, Jeremy really should bow to the Tories on that front. Maybe the Prime Minister could tell him what it's like to really graft for a living!
He'd know more about it than corbyn. I'm still waiting for that example of a successful socialist country by the way...
OK I'll have go at the successful socialist/communist country.
Er...... hmmmmm......oh... er no........ah, what about.... er no......then there was.....oops sorry, er..... I'll get back to you.
You've missed the point - without socialism we wouldn't have an NHS, universal sufferage, paid leave from work etc etc.
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"For crying out loud the next election is 4.5 years away. I don't understand why the right-wing are so obsessed with him, constantly thinking and talking about him, if they think he's so useless. He'll be long gone by 2020. They are obsessed with him because they are terrified of him. If he was unelectable, they would not be obsessed with trying to discredit him. It's clear to see. You are just so wrong. I think we know better what we believe than you do. Conservative Central office is not scared of Corbyn. As I've said before Corbyn only worries those on the right of the Tory party, because they are worried that with the centre ground empty the Conservatives will move to the left to occupy it, and those on the left because, with no affective opposition and the possibility of this remaining so till after the next general election, that the party moves to the right as they'll probably win any election regardless what they do. In short the only worries anyone in the Conservative party has about Corbyn is how it effects where the Conservatives should place themselves. Non of them are even the least bit worried that he'll actually lead Labour to election victory. Keep repeating that, and eventually you might even convince yourself. "Why do you assume that I'm not convinced already. It seems to me that you are ascribing to me what practically everyone on this thread is thinking about what you're saying, including those on the left. When someone tells you something it's normally best to believe they're telling you the truth until you can prove otherwise. Your constant attempts to question the integrity of anyone who is simply telling you that they don't see things the way you do does more to harm your case than anything anyone else here is saying. | |||
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"Except of course, if you actually listened to what was said, you would have realised that it was a poke at the Tories for selling off national assets to the Chinese. The point being, that Cameron might need to own a copy of Mao's book in order to better understand who he is doing business with. I happened to catch the quote on Vine today and then listen to the debate go off at rather an odd tangent. Well for that to work then Xi Jinping would have to like Mao, which be doesn't. It wasn't the cleverest of analogies, but still - that was the point of it. I don't know how any but the most stupid could actually listen to what was said (you'd need the preamble and not just the quote from Mao) and not understand that was the point - hence the offer of the gift of the little red book. Don't forget, most people get their understanding of parliament by being told what happened by the front of the papers, rather than hearing it and forming a conclusion for themselves. Is that really the case when newspaper readership has declined over the last 10years." I used that as shorthand for media in general. Most newspapers also have websites these days. | |||
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"For crying out loud the next election is 4.5 years away. I don't understand why the right-wing are so obsessed with him, constantly thinking and talking about him, if they think he's so useless. He'll be long gone by 2020. They are obsessed with him because they are terrified of him. If he was unelectable, they would not be obsessed with trying to discredit him. It's clear to see. You are just so wrong. I think we know better what we believe than you do. Conservative Central office is not scared of Corbyn. As I've said before Corbyn only worries those on the right of the Tory party, because they are worried that with the centre ground empty the Conservatives will move to the left to occupy it, and those on the left because, with no affective opposition and the possibility of this remaining so till after the next general election, that the party moves to the right as they'll probably win any election regardless what they do. In short the only worries anyone in the Conservative party has about Corbyn is how it effects where the Conservatives should place themselves. Non of them are even the least bit worried that he'll actually lead Labour to election victory. Keep repeating that, and eventually you might even convince yourself.
Why do you assume that I'm not convinced already. It seems to me that you are ascribing to me what practically everyone on this thread is thinking about what you're saying, including those on the left.
When someone tells you something it's normally best to believe they're telling you the truth until you can prove otherwise. Your constant attempts to question the integrity of anyone who is simply telling you that they don't see things the way you do does more to harm your case than anything anyone else here is saying. "I am not making a case, merely observing that facts. You're here trying to convince me you actually believe that stuff, not the other way around.
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"Yes, the leader of the opposition shaming the government at PMQs and in the national media on a regular basis, thus making sure it was firmly on the national agenda, had nothing at all to do with anything else that happened.
Do we watch the same PMQ!?
Yes we do. But understanding it makes a big difference to interpretation.
Miaow!
See the great unwashed (us) are too stupid to know what's going on in the world. Thankfully there are people who know more than us because they've never needed to waste time working a real job (Corbyn). Just listen to the party line and drink the kool aid.
Yes, Jeremy really should bow to the Tories on that front. Maybe the Prime Minister could tell him what it's like to really graft for a living!
He'd know more about it than corbyn. I'm still waiting for that example of a successful socialist country by the way...
OK I'll have go at the successful socialist/communist country.
Er...... hmmmmm......oh... er no........ah, what about.... er no......then there was.....oops sorry, er..... I'll get back to you.
You've missed the point - without socialism we wouldn't have an NHS, universal sufferage, paid leave from work etc etc.
You appear to be limiting yourself to vanguardism/dictatorships.
I suppose that is why Britain does so well. Occasional socialism tempered every few years by a dose of reality "If you want an example of one you could look at Cuba, but its usually pointess bringing it up, because people then go on to compare it to the UK or the USA, both of whom have massive economies. To make the comparison valid, you'd have to compare it to its analogues. Haiti, for example. | |||
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"Except of course, if you actually listened to what was said, you would have realised that it was a poke at the Tories for selling off national assets to the Chinese. The point being, that Cameron might need to own a copy of Mao's book in order to better understand who he is doing business with. I happened to catch the quote on Vine today and then listen to the debate go off at rather an odd tangent. Well for that to work then Xi Jinping would have to like Mao, which be doesn't. It wasn't the cleverest of analogies, but still - that was the point of it. I don't know how any but the most stupid could actually listen to what was said (you'd need the preamble and not just the quote from Mao) and not understand that was the point - hence the offer of the gift of the little red book. Don't forget, most people get their understanding of parliament by being told what happened by the front of the papers, rather than hearing it and forming a conclusion for themselves." I tried forming my own views, but apparently i can't understand it - maybe you could suggest a re-education course... | |||
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"Yes, the leader of the opposition shaming the government at PMQs and in the national media on a regular basis, thus making sure it was firmly on the national agenda, had nothing at all to do with anything else that happened.
Do we watch the same PMQ!?
Yes we do. But understanding it makes a big difference to interpretation.
Miaow!
See the great unwashed (us) are too stupid to know what's going on in the world. Thankfully there are people who know more than us because they've never needed to waste time working a real job (Corbyn). Just listen to the party line and drink the kool aid.
Yes, Jeremy really should bow to the Tories on that front. Maybe the Prime Minister could tell him what it's like to really graft for a living!
He'd know more about it than corbyn. I'm still waiting for that example of a successful socialist country by the way...
OK I'll have go at the successful socialist/communist country.
Er...... hmmmmm......oh... er no........ah, what about.... er no......then there was.....oops sorry, er..... I'll get back to you.
You've missed the point - without socialism we wouldn't have an NHS, universal sufferage, paid leave from work etc etc.
You appear to be limiting yourself to vanguardism/dictatorships.
I suppose that is why Britain does so well. Occasional socialism tempered every few years by a dose of reality
If you want an example of one you could look at Cuba, but its usually pointess bringing it up, because people then go on to compare it to the UK or the USA, both of whom have massive economies. To make the comparison valid, you'd have to compare it to its analogues. Haiti, for example. "Haiti is probably the only country in the region that Cuba compares well to. Even by South American and Caribbean standards Cuba is a basket case. It has a decent heath service and sod all else. | |||
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"Except of course, if you actually listened to what was said, you would have realised that it was a poke at the Tories for selling off national assets to the Chinese. The point being, that Cameron might need to own a copy of Mao's book in order to better understand who he is doing business with. I happened to catch the quote on Vine today and then listen to the debate go off at rather an odd tangent. Well for that to work then Xi Jinping would have to like Mao, which be doesn't. It wasn't the cleverest of analogies, but still - that was the point of it. I don't know how any but the most stupid could actually listen to what was said (you'd need the preamble and not just the quote from Mao) and not understand that was the point - hence the offer of the gift of the little red book. Don't forget, most people get their understanding of parliament by being told what happened by the front of the papers, rather than hearing it and forming a conclusion for themselves." Nobody watches it broadcast live on parliament TV then or what is shown on the news or other political programmes. I suppose all these Labour MP's twitter accounts who criticise Corbyn, Ken Livingstone or John McDonnel are also infiltrated by the media to demonise Corbyn too? | |||
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"I am so fed up with Corbyn's Labour. It is incompetent, unintelligent, uninspiring and worst of all un-electable - we need an effective opposition & soon! The Little Red Book stunt is the last straw..." Cameron has to be the weakest PM the UK has suffered for some years but wouldn't trust Mr Corr Blimey Corbyn to run a train set never mind a country. How could Labour get it so wrong. | |||
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"As an aside. I think the people of Oldham West & Royton still believe that Milliband or even Brown is still leader of the Labour party. The local party have pretty much erased comrade Jezza from their campaign. Maybe they are showing their caring side. Don't want to terrify the Tory's too much. "Reading The Telegraph again, eh? Who would believe it! | |||
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"I am so fed up with Corbyn's Labour. It is incompetent, unintelligent, uninspiring and worst of all un-electable - we need an effective opposition & soon! The Little Red Book stunt is the last straw... Cameron has to be the weakest PM the UK has suffered for some years but wouldn't trust Mr Corr Blimey Corbyn to run a train set never mind a country. How could Labour get it so wrong." Yes, Corbyn is showing stronger in the polls than Miliband at his height. What a blunder! | |||
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"For crying out loud the next election is 4.5 years away. I don't understand why the right-wing are so obsessed with him, constantly thinking and talking about him, if they think he's so useless. He'll be long gone by 2020. They are obsessed with him because they are terrified of him. If he was unelectable, they would not be obsessed with trying to discredit him. It's clear to see. You are just so wrong. I think we know better what we believe than you do. Conservative Central office is not scared of Corbyn. As I've said before Corbyn only worries those on the right of the Tory party, because they are worried that with the centre ground empty the Conservatives will move to the left to occupy it, and those on the left because, with no affective opposition and the possibility of this remaining so till after the next general election, that the party moves to the right as they'll probably win any election regardless what they do. In short the only worries anyone in the Conservative party has about Corbyn is how it effects where the Conservatives should place themselves. Non of them are even the least bit worried that he'll actually lead Labour to election victory. Keep repeating that, and eventually you might even convince yourself.
Why do you assume that I'm not convinced already. It seems to me that you are ascribing to me what practically everyone on this thread is thinking about what you're saying, including those on the left.
When someone tells you something it's normally best to believe they're telling you the truth until you can prove otherwise. Your constant attempts to question the integrity of anyone who is simply telling you that they don't see things the way you do does more to harm your case than anything anyone else here is saying. "It's known as comical Ali syndrome. | |||
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"Well I feel that certain individuals on here, the Media and the Tories are vociferous about criticising Jeremy Corbyn. I agree with previous posters that Tories are so vocal because they are seriously worried that he will be a successful opposition leader." Alternatively, most people are centre ground voters and the Tories are going more right than We'd like but labour don't provide credible opposition. Hence our despair is that the centre ground is vacant or dominated by the lib dems who we don't even hear about any more... that's our real problem | |||
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"Perhaps we should put it another way. The forum is made up of people from around the UK, different ages, backgrounds, religions, jobs, education levels etc. So a not unreasonable stand-in for the UK electorate as a whole. If you read through this thread and cahracterised each poster as for, or against Corbyn, and the election was tomorrow, I think it's fairly clear he would lose." You've really got the art of polling cracked! "Ignore everything that doesn't fit, claim it's representative, and give the answer the client wants to hear!" | |||
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"Well I feel that certain individuals on here, the Media and the Tories are vociferous about criticising Jeremy Corbyn. I agree with previous posters that Tories are so vocal because they are seriously worried that he will be a successful opposition leader. Alternatively, most people are centre ground voters and the Tories are going more right than We'd like but labour don't provide credible opposition. Hence our despair is that the centre ground is vacant or dominated by the lib dems who we don't even hear about any more... that's our real problem" Labour: Doesn't provide a credible opposition. Labour: Causes two U-turns on major government policy in two weeks. Are you sure you don't write for The Telegraph? You seem to have their style of 'interpretation of events' pretty much to pat. | |||
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