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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

No real reason to post this on here (couldn't get onto BBC website to complain) but I just feel I want to vent my anger.

Just watched a BBC look north report about a transgender woman who has apparently taken her own life in a mens prison,,,,,

The reporter just had to add ',,,,,formerly known as.....'

The poor girl is dead for goodness sake,,,wht does this additional indignity have to be added to injury?

The reporter probably would not sign off by telling us his name and adding that there were irrelevant facts about his past that we may find tittilating.

I expect some people will disagree with me but,,,I really don't understand the apparent obsession with dragging up a persons past in this way.

She was transgender and put in a male prison,,that is the pertinent fact,,,,her former name is not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why was she in prison ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i totally agree with you she should never have been put in a mens prison to start with god bless her

socitey stinks people need to learn to live and let live

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By *uietlykinkymeWoman
over a year ago

kinky land

"The reporter probably would not"

Did you even see/hear this first hand?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe it was a way of informing people who didn't know about her change of her death.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She head butted a bloke in a bar fight.

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By *uietlykinkymeWoman
over a year ago

kinky land


"She head butted a bloke in a bar fight. "

I thought it was tara at first but it isn't http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-34918859

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

it was quite relevant to the story. she was given a bender and broke it? nutting peopke in bars is not likely to endear a dusty old judge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"She head butted a bloke in a bar fight.

I thought it was tara at first but it isn't http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-34918859"

Oh is this another story

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By *oobsandballsMan
over a year ago

st andrews

I have trans friends and they feel that the use of someone's deadname is insulting. I agree, you wouldn't introduce a divorced woman as Ms X, formerly Mrs Y, so why do it to trans people?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have trans friends and they feel that the use of someone's deadname is insulting. I agree, you wouldn't introduce a divorced woman as Ms X, formerly Mrs Y, so why do it to trans people? "

Married women are often named like this.

Eg. Mrs Brown nee Brustock.

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By *ezjez369Man
over a year ago

london


"I have trans friends and they feel that the use of someone's deadname is insulting. I agree, you wouldn't introduce a divorced woman as Ms X, formerly Mrs Y, so why do it to trans people? "

Err I thought that's exactly what you do do in most circumstances where it's pertinent.

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By *oobsandballsMan
over a year ago

st andrews


"I have trans friends and they feel that the use of someone's deadname is insulting. I agree, you wouldn't introduce a divorced woman as Ms X, formerly Mrs Y, so why do it to trans people?

Err I thought that's exactly what you do do in most circumstances where it's pertinent."

Where it's pertinent, which I wouldn't say a news report is, unless the story includes her ex partner.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have trans friends and they feel that the use of someone's deadname is insulting. I agree, you wouldn't introduce a divorced woman as Ms X, formerly Mrs Y, so why do it to trans people?

Err I thought that's exactly what you do do in most circumstances where it's pertinent.

Where it's pertinent, which I wouldn't say a news report is, unless the story includes her ex partner. "

Or informing a news audience of someone's untimely death.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

I often find myself shaking my head at some reporting style or interview technique. Listening to an interview on Woman's Hour this week with a woman whose achievements in life include becoming a professor at 23, speaking 5 languages, a model, an opera singer among others.....the female interviewers first question "did you have any friends?" I was horrified.

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By *argaret JamesTV/TS
over a year ago

Bromsgrove


"I have trans friends and they feel that the use of someone's deadname is insulting. I agree, you wouldn't introduce a divorced woman as Ms X, formerly Mrs Y, so why do it to trans people?

Err I thought that's exactly what you do do in most circumstances where it's pertinent."

No you don't , I don't ever introduce my friends as Mrs x used to be Miss y on your profile it says house trained and humorous, is that formerly wild and cras.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

And yes I agree it was wrong to give her former name, I have two previous names and I doubt if I made the news that either of them would be mentioned.

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By *argaret JamesTV/TS
over a year ago

Bromsgrove


"I often find myself shaking my head at some reporting style or interview technique. Listening to an interview on Woman's Hour this week with a woman whose achievements in life include becoming a professor at 23, speaking 5 languages, a model, an opera singer among others.....the female interviewers first question "did you have any friends?" I was horrified."

We have never been good at praising our own, that's impressive and yet ignored, men or women with the guts to be themselves against all odds should be seen as an asset and brave not a freak some people think swingers are odd but that will not stop us.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I often find myself shaking my head at some reporting style or interview technique. Listening to an interview on Woman's Hour this week with a woman whose achievements in life include becoming a professor at 23, speaking 5 languages, a model, an opera singer among others.....the female interviewers first question "did you have any friends?" I was horrified.

We have never been good at praising our own, that's impressive and yet ignored, men or women with the guts to be themselves against all odds should be seen as an asset and brave not a freak some people think swingers are odd but that will not stop us."

I agree. The interviews first thought seemed to be that a talented woman would have been shunned.....its awful.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Sexism is rife and embedded in this patriarchal society.

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By *oobsandballsMan
over a year ago

st andrews

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"Sexism is rife and embedded in this patriarchal society. "

I know this as when I was a househusband I wasn't allowed to feed my baby in a mother and baby room - there was nowhere for me to feed the baby and nowhere for a man to change the nappy. Maybe that bit was matriarchal but the principle remains.

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By *oobsandballsMan
over a year ago

st andrews


"I have trans friends and they feel that the use of someone's deadname is insulting. I agree, you wouldn't introduce a divorced woman as Ms X, formerly Mrs Y, so why do it to trans people?

Err I thought that's exactly what you do do in most circumstances where it's pertinent.

Where it's pertinent, which I wouldn't say a news report is, unless the story includes her ex partner.

Or informing a news audience of someone's untimely death. "

But why would they need the deadname? Take Caitlyn Jenner for example, if she passed away we all know who she is so why would we need to reference the deadname?

And in the case of someone not famous, if it was to inform friends and family they would already know her by her actual name, surely?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have trans friends and they feel that the use of someone's deadname is insulting. I agree, you wouldn't introduce a divorced woman as Ms X, formerly Mrs Y, so why do it to trans people?

Err I thought that's exactly what you do do in most circumstances where it's pertinent.

Where it's pertinent, which I wouldn't say a news report is, unless the story includes her ex partner.

Or informing a news audience of someone's untimely death.

But why would they need the deadname? Take Caitlyn Jenner for example, if she passed away we all know who she is so why would we need to reference the deadname?

And in the case of someone not famous, if it was to inform friends and family they would already know her by her actual name, surely?"

I have never heard of Caitlin Jenner so a reference to her former name would do me a favour.

Maybe not all her family knew of her transition.

Maybe it was a way of informing the full facts so that everyone knew of this poor persons death.

I agree that you should refer to a person how they wish to be referred but when making an announcement of someone's passing I think you should give all the facts so everyone knows who you're on about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have just googled Caitlin Jenner and I didn't know who she was before she changed so I would have been none the wiser if she'd died and they gave out both names.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have trans friends and they feel that the use of someone's deadname is insulting. I agree, you wouldn't introduce a divorced woman as Ms X, formerly Mrs Y, so why do it to trans people?

Err I thought that's exactly what you do do in most circumstances where it's pertinent.

Where it's pertinent, which I wouldn't say a news report is, unless the story includes her ex partner.

Or informing a news audience of someone's untimely death.

But why would they need the deadname? Take Caitlyn Jenner for example, if she passed away we all know who she is so why would we need to reference the deadname?

And in the case of someone not famous, if it was to inform friends and family they would already know her by her actual name, surely?"

Can't have been her dead name if he was in a men's prison can it? What was the name and sex at the time of sentencing?

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By *oobsandballsMan
over a year ago

st andrews


"I have trans friends and they feel that the use of someone's deadname is insulting. I agree, you wouldn't introduce a divorced woman as Ms X, formerly Mrs Y, so why do it to trans people?

Err I thought that's exactly what you do do in most circumstances where it's pertinent.

Where it's pertinent, which I wouldn't say a news report is, unless the story includes her ex partner.

Or informing a news audience of someone's untimely death.

But why would they need the deadname? Take Caitlyn Jenner for example, if she passed away we all know who she is so why would we need to reference the deadname?

And in the case of someone not famous, if it was to inform friends and family they would already know her by her actual name, surely?

I have never heard of Caitlin Jenner so a reference to her former name would do me a favour.

Maybe not all her family knew of her transition.

Maybe it was a way of informing the full facts so that everyone knew of this poor persons death.

I agree that you should refer to a person how they wish to be referred but when making an announcement of someone's passing I think you should give all the facts so everyone knows who you're on about. "

So by that argument then, when Elton John passes away the news reports should all state Reginald Dwight, the name he was born with, yes?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Sexism is rife and embedded in this patriarchal society. "

sadly endemic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have trans friends and they feel that the use of someone's deadname is insulting. I agree, you wouldn't introduce a divorced woman as Ms X, formerly Mrs Y, so why do it to trans people?

Err I thought that's exactly what you do do in most circumstances where it's pertinent.

Where it's pertinent, which I wouldn't say a news report is, unless the story includes her ex partner.

Or informing a news audience of someone's untimely death.

But why would they need the deadname? Take Caitlyn Jenner for example, if she passed away we all know who she is so why would we need to reference the deadname?

And in the case of someone not famous, if it was to inform friends and family they would already know her by her actual name, surely?

I have never heard of Caitlin Jenner so a reference to her former name would do me a favour.

Maybe not all her family knew of her transition.

Maybe it was a way of informing the full facts so that everyone knew of this poor persons death.

I agree that you should refer to a person how they wish to be referred but when making an announcement of someone's passing I think you should give all the facts so everyone knows who you're on about.

So by that argument then, when Elton John passes away the news reports should all state Reginald Dwight, the name he was born with, yes? "

It wouldn't offend me if they did.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's actially a lot more common than you think for people to kill themselves in prison

The feeling of self loathing being taken away from family losing wife and kids

Male suicide in prison is quote high and most of the time it can be prevented

It's even worse for those that havr been imprisoned wrongly and see their Mrs take the house etc

It's something that needs to be addressed my local prison had 3 suicidrs this year

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sexism is rife and embedded in this patriarchal society.

sadly endemic "

Feminism has done very little for women lately

And if anything has made a deeper resentment between the two sexes

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Sexism is rife and embedded in this patriarchal society.

sadly endemic

Feminism has done very little for women lately

And if anything has made a deeper resentment between the two sexes "

I disagree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have trans friends and they feel that the use of someone's deadname is insulting. I agree, you wouldn't introduce a divorced woman as Ms X, formerly Mrs Y, so why do it to trans people?

Err I thought that's exactly what you do do in most circumstances where it's pertinent.

Where it's pertinent, which I wouldn't say a news report is, unless the story includes her ex partner.

Or informing a news audience of someone's untimely death.

But why would they need the deadname? Take Caitlyn Jenner for example, if she passed away we all know who she is so why would we need to reference the deadname?

And in the case of someone not famous, if it was to inform friends and family they would already know her by her actual name, surely?

I have never heard of Caitlin Jenner so a reference to her former name would do me a favour.

Maybe not all her family knew of her transition.

Maybe it was a way of informing the full facts so that everyone knew of this poor persons death.

I agree that you should refer to a person how they wish to be referred but when making an announcement of someone's passing I think you should give all the facts so everyone knows who you're on about.

So by that argument then, when Elton John passes away the news reports should all state Reginald Dwight, the name he was born with, yes?

It wouldn't offend me if they did. "

To be fair, they often call paul gadd by his birth name before identifying him as gary glitter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This thread is now reminding me of how many famous people don't use their birth name.

Maurice Micklewhite anybody?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sexism is rife and embedded in this patriarchal society.

sadly endemic

Feminism has done very little for women lately

And if anything has made a deeper resentment between the two sexes "

I don't resent women at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This thread is now reminding me of how many famous people don't use their birth name.

Maurice Micklewhite anybody?"

Michael Caine ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Harry webb!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Harry webb!"

Cliff Richard?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This thread is now reminding me of how many famous people don't use their birth name.

Maurice Micklewhite anybody?

Michael Caine ?"

Yep x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Harry webb!

Cliff Richard?"

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By *igeiaWoman
over a year ago

Bristol

Shirley Crabtree!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Marion Morrison?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maurice cole...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Marion Morrison?"

Ooo pass!

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By *igeiaWoman
over a year ago

Bristol


"Shirley Crabtree!

Giant haystacks"

No, his real name was Martin Ruane. Shirley was his nemesis.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Marion Morrison?

Ooo pass!"

You'll be surprised

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Shirley Crabtree!"

I think giant haystacks....but I'm also thinking big daddy......

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Marion Morrison?

Ooo pass!

You'll be surprised "

Isn't that John Wayne?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Shirley Crabtree!

Giant haystacks

No, his real name was Martin Ruane. Shirley was his nemesis."

Knew it! Grrrrt

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By *igeiaWoman
over a year ago

Bristol


"Marion Morrison?

Ooo pass!

You'll be surprised "
Wasn't John Wayne a Marion? I don't know his surname though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Marion Morrison?

Ooo pass!

You'll be surprised Wasn't John Wayne a Marion? I don't know his surname though."

The real "a boy named sue" huh?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Marion Morrison?

Ooo pass!

You'll be surprised Wasn't John Wayne a Marion? I don't know his surname though."

Yes, it was John Wayne

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Sexism is rife and embedded in this patriarchal society.

sadly endemic

Feminism has done very little for women lately

And if anything has made a deeper resentment between the two sexes "

its nothing to do with feminism..

its to so with the attitudes of some males being stuck in the past..

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By *argaret JamesTV/TS
over a year ago

Bromsgrove


"I have trans friends and they feel that the use of someone's deadname is insulting. I agree, you wouldn't introduce a divorced woman as Ms X, formerly Mrs Y, so why do it to trans people?

Err I thought that's exactly what you do do in most circumstances where it's pertinent.

Where it's pertinent, which I wouldn't say a news report is, unless the story includes her ex partner.

Or informing a news audience of someone's untimely death.

But why would they need the deadname? Take Caitlyn Jenner for example, if she passed away we all know who she is so why would we need to reference the deadname?

And in the case of someone not famous, if it was to inform friends and family they would already know her by her actual name, surely?

Can't have been her dead name if he was in a men's prison can it? What was the name and sex at the time of sentencing?"

The accused

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Marion Morrison?

Ooo pass!

You'll be surprised Wasn't John Wayne a Marion? I don't know his surname though.

Yes, it was John Wayne "

you haven't guessed Maurice cole yet...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have trans friends and they feel that the use of someone's deadname is insulting. I agree, you wouldn't introduce a divorced woman as Ms X, formerly Mrs Y, so why do it to trans people?

Err I thought that's exactly what you do do in most circumstances where it's pertinent.

Where it's pertinent, which I wouldn't say a news report is, unless the story includes her ex partner.

Or informing a news audience of someone's untimely death.

But why would they need the deadname? Take Caitlyn Jenner for example, if she passed away we all know who she is so why would we need to reference the deadname?

And in the case of someone not famous, if it was to inform friends and family they would already know her by her actual name, surely?

Can't have been her dead name if he was in a men's prison can it? What was the name and sex at the time of sentencing?

The accused"

Nice try

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Marion Morrison?

Ooo pass!

You'll be surprised Wasn't John Wayne a Marion? I don't know his surname though.

Yes, it was John Wayne

you haven't guessed Maurice cole yet..."

No idea, but I'm sure it was all done in the best possible taste

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Marion Morrison?

Ooo pass!

You'll be surprised Wasn't John Wayne a Marion? I don't know his surname though.

Yes, it was John Wayne

you haven't guessed Maurice cole yet...

No idea, but I'm sure it was all done in the best possible taste "

Lol clever cloggs!

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By *oobsandballsMan
over a year ago

st andrews


"I have trans friends and they feel that the use of someone's deadname is insulting. I agree, you wouldn't introduce a divorced woman as Ms X, formerly Mrs Y, so why do it to trans people?

Err I thought that's exactly what you do do in most circumstances where it's pertinent.

Where it's pertinent, which I wouldn't say a news report is, unless the story includes her ex partner.

Or informing a news audience of someone's untimely death.

But why would they need the deadname? Take Caitlyn Jenner for example, if she passed away we all know who she is so why would we need to reference the deadname?

And in the case of someone not famous, if it was to inform friends and family they would already know her by her actual name, surely?

I have never heard of Caitlin Jenner so a reference to her former name would do me a favour.

Maybe not all her family knew of her transition.

Maybe it was a way of informing the full facts so that everyone knew of this poor persons death.

I agree that you should refer to a person how they wish to be referred but when making an announcement of someone's passing I think you should give all the facts so everyone knows who you're on about.

So by that argument then, when Elton John passes away the news reports should all state Reginald Dwight, the name he was born with, yes?

It wouldn't offend me if they did. "

But it isn't about you, is the point. To use someone's deadname is a slur against them, and it's unnecessary.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have trans friends and they feel that the use of someone's deadname is insulting. I agree, you wouldn't introduce a divorced woman as Ms X, formerly Mrs Y, so why do it to trans people?

Err I thought that's exactly what you do do in most circumstances where it's pertinent.

Where it's pertinent, which I wouldn't say a news report is, unless the story includes her ex partner.

Or informing a news audience of someone's untimely death.

But why would they need the deadname? Take Caitlyn Jenner for example, if she passed away we all know who she is so why would we need to reference the deadname?

And in the case of someone not famous, if it was to inform friends and family they would already know her by her actual name, surely?

I have never heard of Caitlin Jenner so a reference to her former name would do me a favour.

Maybe not all her family knew of her transition.

Maybe it was a way of informing the full facts so that everyone knew of this poor persons death.

I agree that you should refer to a person how they wish to be referred but when making an announcement of someone's passing I think you should give all the facts so everyone knows who you're on about.

So by that argument then, when Elton John passes away the news reports should all state Reginald Dwight, the name he was born with, yes?

It wouldn't offend me if they did.

But it isn't about you, is the point. To use someone's deadname is a slur against them, and it's unnecessary."

Even when trying to inform people of someone's passing ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have trans friends and they feel that the use of someone's deadname is insulting. I agree, you wouldn't introduce a divorced woman as Ms X, formerly Mrs Y, so why do it to trans people?

Err I thought that's exactly what you do do in most circumstances where it's pertinent.

Where it's pertinent, which I wouldn't say a news report is, unless the story includes her ex partner.

Or informing a news audience of someone's untimely death.

But why would they need the deadname? Take Caitlyn Jenner for example, if she passed away we all know who she is so why would we need to reference the deadname?

And in the case of someone not famous, if it was to inform friends and family they would already know her by her actual name, surely?

Can't have been her dead name if he was in a men's prison can it? What was the name and sex at the time of sentencing?"

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By *oobsandballsMan
over a year ago

st andrews


"I have trans friends and they feel that the use of someone's deadname is insulting. I agree, you wouldn't introduce a divorced woman as Ms X, formerly Mrs Y, so why do it to trans people?

Err I thought that's exactly what you do do in most circumstances where it's pertinent.

Where it's pertinent, which I wouldn't say a news report is, unless the story includes her ex partner.

Or informing a news audience of someone's untimely death.

But why would they need the deadname? Take Caitlyn Jenner for example, if she passed away we all know who she is so why would we need to reference the deadname?

And in the case of someone not famous, if it was to inform friends and family they would already know her by her actual name, surely?

I have never heard of Caitlin Jenner so a reference to her former name would do me a favour.

Maybe not all her family knew of her transition.

Maybe it was a way of informing the full facts so that everyone knew of this poor persons death.

I agree that you should refer to a person how they wish to be referred but when making an announcement of someone's passing I think you should give all the facts so everyone knows who you're on about.

So by that argument then, when Elton John passes away the news reports should all state Reginald Dwight, the name he was born with, yes?

It wouldn't offend me if they did.

But it isn't about you, is the point. To use someone's deadname is a slur against them, and it's unnecessary.

Even when trying to inform people of someone's passing ? "

Who would need to be informed through a news report that wouldn't be informed through friends and family?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have trans friends and they feel that the use of someone's deadname is insulting. I agree, you wouldn't introduce a divorced woman as Ms X, formerly Mrs Y, so why do it to trans people?

Err I thought that's exactly what you do do in most circumstances where it's pertinent.

Where it's pertinent, which I wouldn't say a news report is, unless the story includes her ex partner.

Or informing a news audience of someone's untimely death.

But why would they need the deadname? Take Caitlyn Jenner for example, if she passed away we all know who she is so why would we need to reference the deadname?

And in the case of someone not famous, if it was to inform friends and family they would already know her by her actual name, surely?

I have never heard of Caitlin Jenner so a reference to her former name would do me a favour.

Maybe not all her family knew of her transition.

Maybe it was a way of informing the full facts so that everyone knew of this poor persons death.

I agree that you should refer to a person how they wish to be referred but when making an announcement of someone's passing I think you should give all the facts so everyone knows who you're on about.

So by that argument then, when Elton John passes away the news reports should all state Reginald Dwight, the name he was born with, yes?

It wouldn't offend me if they did.

But it isn't about you, is the point. To use someone's deadname is a slur against them, and it's unnecessary.

Even when trying to inform people of someone's passing ?

Who would need to be informed through a news report that wouldn't be informed through friends and family? "

School friends. Members of his old football, darts, or snooker club.

His old pub mates.

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By *oobsandballsMan
over a year ago

st andrews

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By *oobsandballsMan
over a year ago

st andrews


"I have trans friends and they feel that the use of someone's deadname is insulting. I agree, you wouldn't introduce a divorced woman as Ms X, formerly Mrs Y, so why do it to trans people?

Err I thought that's exactly what you do do in most circumstances where it's pertinent.

Where it's pertinent, which I wouldn't say a news report is, unless the story includes her ex partner.

Or informing a news audience of someone's untimely death.

But why would they need the deadname? Take Caitlyn Jenner for example, if she passed away we all know who she is so why would we need to reference the deadname?

And in the case of someone not famous, if it was to inform friends and family they would already know her by her actual name, surely?

I have never heard of Caitlin Jenner so a reference to her former name would do me a favour.

Maybe not all her family knew of her transition.

Maybe it was a way of informing the full facts so that everyone knew of this poor persons death.

I agree that you should refer to a person how they wish to be referred but when making an announcement of someone's passing I think you should give all the facts so everyone knows who you're on about.

So by that argument then, when Elton John passes away the news reports should all state Reginald Dwight, the name he was born with, yes?

It wouldn't offend me if they did.

But it isn't about you, is the point. To use someone's deadname is a slur against them, and it's unnecessary.

Even when trying to inform people of someone's passing ?

Who would need to be informed through a news report that wouldn't be informed through friends and family?

School friends. Members of his old football, darts, or snooker club.

His old pub mates. "

That would be she, not he. And if they were close friends they would know that.

When I die I don't expect my family members to be contacting people I went to school with! My family and friends would be told, no one else needs to know.

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over a year ago


"I have trans friends and they feel that the use of someone's deadname is insulting. I agree, you wouldn't introduce a divorced woman as Ms X, formerly Mrs Y, so why do it to trans people?

Err I thought that's exactly what you do do in most circumstances where it's pertinent.

Where it's pertinent, which I wouldn't say a news report is, unless the story includes her ex partner.

Or informing a news audience of someone's untimely death.

But why would they need the deadname? Take Caitlyn Jenner for example, if she passed away we all know who she is so why would we need to reference the deadname?

And in the case of someone not famous, if it was to inform friends and family they would already know her by her actual name, surely?

I have never heard of Caitlin Jenner so a reference to her former name would do me a favour.

Maybe not all her family knew of her transition.

Maybe it was a way of informing the full facts so that everyone knew of this poor persons death.

I agree that you should refer to a person how they wish to be referred but when making an announcement of someone's passing I think you should give all the facts so everyone knows who you're on about.

So by that argument then, when Elton John passes away the news reports should all state Reginald Dwight, the name he was born with, yes?

It wouldn't offend me if they did.

But it isn't about you, is the point. To use someone's deadname is a slur against them, and it's unnecessary.

Even when trying to inform people of someone's passing ?

Who would need to be informed through a news report that wouldn't be informed through friends and family?

School friends. Members of his old football, darts, or snooker club.

His old pub mates.

That would be she, not he. And if they were close friends they would know that.

When I die I don't expect my family members to be contacting people I went to school with! My family and friends would be told, no one else needs to know."

I don't agree. If he was a she, she would have sadly died in a women's prison. Hence my question under what name was he sentenced? His name or her name. The answer to this will answer why the paper named him. He might have been very popular before she became a criminal. His friends may have been very supportive throughout her transition. Like it or not at some stage in her life she was a he. She was probably still a he in the eyes of the law.

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By *oobsandballsMan
over a year ago

st andrews


"I have trans friends and they feel that the use of someone's deadname is insulting. I agree, you wouldn't introduce a divorced woman as Ms X, formerly Mrs Y, so why do it to trans people?

Err I thought that's exactly what you do do in most circumstances where it's pertinent.

Where it's pertinent, which I wouldn't say a news report is, unless the story includes her ex partner.

Or informing a news audience of someone's untimely death.

But why would they need the deadname? Take Caitlyn Jenner for example, if she passed away we all know who she is so why would we need to reference the deadname?

And in the case of someone not famous, if it was to inform friends and family they would already know her by her actual name, surely?

I have never heard of Caitlin Jenner so a reference to her former name would do me a favour.

Maybe not all her family knew of her transition.

Maybe it was a way of informing the full facts so that everyone knew of this poor persons death.

I agree that you should refer to a person how they wish to be referred but when making an announcement of someone's passing I think you should give all the facts so everyone knows who you're on about.

So by that argument then, when Elton John passes away the news reports should all state Reginald Dwight, the name he was born with, yes?

It wouldn't offend me if they did.

But it isn't about you, is the point. To use someone's deadname is a slur against them, and it's unnecessary.

Even when trying to inform people of someone's passing ?

Who would need to be informed through a news report that wouldn't be informed through friends and family?

School friends. Members of his old football, darts, or snooker club.

His old pub mates.

That would be she, not he. And if they were close friends they would know that.

When I die I don't expect my family members to be contacting people I went to school with! My family and friends would be told, no one else needs to know.

I don't agree. If he was a she, she would have sadly died in a women's prison. Hence my question under what name was he sentenced? His name or her name. The answer to this will answer why the paper named him. He might have been very popular before she became a criminal. His friends may have been very supportive throughout her transition. Like it or not at some stage in her life she was a he. She was probably still a he in the eyes of the law."

wow.

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By *uietlykinkymeWoman
over a year ago

kinky land

Don't want naming on television or in the media, don't do things to end up in prison. End up in prison and expect people to hear about you.

Gender, sexual preference, height irrelevant.

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By *argaret JamesTV/TS
over a year ago

Bromsgrove

How about they just state the relavent details instead of making a tragedy worse by sensationalizing peoples missfortunes eg Soham and countless others. There was no need for the public to know anything about his/her background just that the courts had gotten it wrong again.we will go to great lengths to look after refugees but don't treat our own with dignity, respect or understanding.

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over a year ago


"How about they just state the relavent details instead of making a tragedy worse by sensationalizing peoples missfortunes eg Soham and countless others. There was no need for the public to know anything about his/her background just that the courts had gotten it wrong again.we will go to great lengths to look after refugees but don't treat our own with dignity, respect or understanding."

Because that won't sell newspapers.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"How about they just state the relavent details instead of making a tragedy worse by sensationalizing peoples missfortunes eg Soham and countless others. There was no need for the public to know anything about his/her background just that the courts had gotten it wrong again.we will go to great lengths to look after refugees but don't treat our own with dignity, respect or understanding."

Some time ago a woman was gored by a stag in Scotland and nearly died,a sensational enough story in itself.The reporting of it made as much a lot of the fact that she was a trans woman,a completely irrelevant fact.I doubt the stag attacked her specifically because she was trans.

In the case of the woman who has died in jail,apparently a suicide,shouldn't it be of concern that a person on suicide watch could manage to take their own life,,,,more important than the fact that she had once changed her name?

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

Maybe it is to inform people who knew the person when in male form, not the person she has become.

That is the only reason you would thjnk to include a dead name.

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