FabSwingers.com forum: Noisy kids!

By *atcouple OP Couple
over a year ago

Suffolk - East Anglia

'Just read an article in one of yesterday's tabloids about noisy kids in restaurants and planes.

Should we have kids free cafes and restaurants? I think children free flights would be popular.

Also at the check in, any parents with school age children during term time should be questioned by a truancy officer stationed at the airport.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"'Just read an article in one of yesterday's tabloids about noisy kids in restaurants and planes.

Should we have kids free cafes and restaurants? I think children free flights would be popular.

Also at the check in, any parents with school age children during term time should be questioned by a truancy officer stationed at the airport."

no but they should be taught how to behave by their parents.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

Should we have kids free cafes and restaurants?"

Yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have kids and I gave to say I prefer going to places without kids!! So much quieter!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ive not long come back from America, was knackered and feeling very irritable,was actually dreading who I was gonna be forced to sit with for 9_12 hours, and then it happened... A young lady sat next to me with a 9month old baby girl, I felt like killing myself right there and then, we took of at 7.20pm I put my headphones on ready for the screaming and crying, but by the time we landed at 8.45am that baby stayed asleep for the entire flight, when she woke up, she was full of smiles and giggles,..(as well as a fyll shitty nappy) It has somewhat restored my faith in babies on flights

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By *atcouple OP Couple
over a year ago

Suffolk - East Anglia

"Ive not long come back from America, was knackered and feeling very irritable,was actually dreading who I was gonna be forced to sit with for 9_12 hours, and then it happened... A young lady sat next to me with a 9month old baby girl, I felt like killing myself right there and then, we took of at 7.20pm I put my headphones on ready for the screaming and crying, but by the time we landed at 8.45am that baby stayed asleep for the entire flight, when she woke up, she was full of smiles and giggles,..(as well as a fyll shitty nappy) It has somewhat restored my faith in babies on flights "

Ah that's nice but I have to say rare.

Why can't children be taught to be quiet and well mannered? We loved our two when they were young, (we do still love 'em) but they were taught courtesy and respect for others which included peace and quiet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ah that's nice but I have to say rare.

Very true, I have four sons, all grown up now, the youngest was 1 when we first went abroad and he and his brothers were brilliant, again I think its to do with good parenting and alot of patience lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

going out to a cafe, restaurant etc was a treat and they were taught how to behave acceptably - so if they were out of order we didnt go - we have been out with a friend who hauled her son out of a cafe as he was over naughty - but also taught them to be tolerant of others as there may be reason for what seems to be bad behaviour- turned out to be lovely polite adults

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"going out to a cafe, restaurant etc was a treat and they were taught how to behave acceptably - so if they were out of order we didnt go - we have been out with a friend who hauled her son out of a cafe as he was over naughty - but also taught them to be tolerant of others as there may be reason for what seems to be bad behaviour- turned out to be lovely polite adults "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ah that's nice but I have to say rare.

Good parenting has nothing to do with the effect of take off and landings have on young ears.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've noticed trend when families are out eating with 'little ones'- a phone,tablet infront of the child being used as a tele! What's that about??!

Her

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Was out shopping in Wilkos of all places....specifically for loads of white vinegar!

This kid starts going off on one like I've not seen in a long time....screeching, dragged out by the mother eventually. The high pitched and insanely loud crying made me want to bloody cry

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By *is_irtygirlCouple
over a year ago

somewhere out there

"Was out shopping in Wilkos of all places....specifically for loads of white vinegar!

This kid starts going off on one like I've not seen in a long time....screeching, dragged out by the mother eventually. The high pitched and insanely loud crying made me want to bloody cry

If it's for cleaning Makro do 5l bottles.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As annoying as screaming kids are in these situations, its not always down to the parents.

Kids get tired & fed up in adult orientated places and their natural reaction to this is to seek attention. Thats usually when they start to kick off, sometimes very vocally.

Its just life, so why exclude them from cafe's & flights? Seems a bit extreme.

I mean, theres people with annoying laughs or irritating voices. Should they be excluded as well? Or them that drum their fingers?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Was out shopping in Wilkos of all places....specifically for loads of white vinegar!

This kid starts going off on one like I've not seen in a long time....screeching, dragged out by the mother eventually. The high pitched and insanely loud crying made me want to bloody cry

If it's for cleaning Makro do 5l bottles.

I do up old furniture so it's to get the old musty smell out of it

was the only place that sold it around me, other than ordering online

It's a right pain to lift the "old" smell out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most kids are pretty well behaved and not too boisterous i've noticed, especially if their faces are being shoved with food.

I think if there's a need for child free stuff, as in enough people want that, then it'll happen. Most (but not all) of the pubs round here banned people from bringing their kids in because other customers asked for that. The pubs in the town centre are child friendly during the day because most of the customers are people with kids having meals.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't say it's ever bothered me, it's good to see families out enjoying life together.

I'd much rather be around families than d*unk rowdy adults.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As annoying as screaming kids are in these situations, its not always down to the parents.

Kids get tired & fed up in adult orientated places and their natural reaction to this is to seek attention. Thats usually when they start to kick off, sometimes very vocally.

Its just life, so why exclude them from cafe's & flights? Seems a bit extreme.

I mean, theres people with annoying laughs or irritating voices. Should they be excluded as well? Or them that drum their fingers?

We can all agree society could do without those that don't walk on the left can't we?

Ban those fuckers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"'Just read an article in one of yesterday's tabloids about noisy kids in restaurants and planes.

Should we have kids free cafes and restaurants? I think children free flights would be popular.

Also at the check in, any parents with school age children during term time should be questioned by a truancy officer stationed at the airport."

Lol really!?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can't say it's ever bothered me, it's good to see families out enjoying life together.

I'd much rather be around families than d*unk rowdy adults."

Me too

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

Been on many flights including a few 11 hour ones with Young kids and can't say ive ever seen any misbehaving. Which is more than I can say for the big groups of stag/hen etc who are rowdy and d*unk and shouting across the plane at each other and get told to be quiet often!

Restaurants it's usually fairly easy to know in advance if they are family friendly or not. If I have my lad I tend to go to harvester and places like that. If im out in the evening I'll avoid those places and go somewhere a bit nicer.

I used to be one that got annoyed at kids noise but being a parent myself now I know that sometimes no matter what you do the little buggers are gonna have a paddy over something random and you can't predict it!!

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

I have lived in a flat for 2 years now. I didn't realise it incorporated noisy twats.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

You can go on kid free flights so long as you are willing to pay the premium.

Generally first or business class will have very few kids in it.

You pays your money and takes your choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hey kids are a product of their parents ,their is no discipline anymore and children run riot over their parents as a result ,I don't disagree with a smack when a child's misbehaving but I never actually did it myself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hey kids are a product of their parents ,their is no discipline anymore and children run riot over their parents as a result ,I don't disagree with a smack when a child's misbehaving but I never actually did it myself

My kids have been well brought up, when we go out for dinner and stuff, they aren't sitting on a device, they are chatting, making us laugh and lots of cuddles!! When they were little (and now and again) we've been pulled aside to say how polite and well behaved they are (considering two of them have Space issues I think that's amazing!) xx

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By *aeriequeenWoman
over a year ago

Manchester

Kids should be taught it's a treat to be taken out and behave accordingly. I've noticed it's the parents that give the kids everything that are the worst behaved. The kids sit demanding to play on their parent's phone or they must have a magazine/colouring book..or dessert.

Kids learn by parents being firm but fair and laying down the guidelines. I'm not a perfect parent but my kids are horrified with the way their younger cousins or kids outside behave.

It's usually in the name of the kids expressing themselves. As far as i'm concerned this is a poor excuse for bad behaviour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ah that's nice but I have to say rare.

Good parenting has nothing to do with the effect of take off and landings have on young ears."

Quite right, but if your a good parent, and have patience, youll know to bring calpol (before flight) and plenty of distractions (ie) books, toys, favourite teddy ect..

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By *atcouple OP Couple
over a year ago

Suffolk - East Anglia

"'Just read an article in one of yesterday's tabloids about noisy kids in restaurants and planes.

Should we have kids free cafes and restaurants? I think children free flights would be popular.

Also at the check in, any parents with school age children during term time should be questioned by a truancy officer stationed at the airport.

Lol really!?"

YES really, a great idea.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I always expect mine to behave when we go out exactly the way I had to at their age... I feel sorry for parents whose children show them up as it only reflects on them

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By *is_irtygirlCouple
over a year ago

somewhere out there

"Kids should be taught it's a treat to be taken out and behave accordingly. I've noticed it's the parents that give the kids everything that are the worst behaved. The kids sit demanding to play on their parent's phone or they must have a magazine/colouring book..or dessert.

Kids learn by parents being firm but fair and laying down the guidelines. I'm not a perfect parent but my kids are horrified with the way their younger cousins or kids outside behave.

It's usually in the name of the kids expressing themselves. As far as i'm concerned this is a poor excuse for bad behaviour.

In Britain those parents use a phrase that I've been hearing for over 30 years to justify turning a blind eye - 'they're just kid init!.'

I'd be all in favor of areas that kids are excluded from.

Grumpy Him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"'Just read an article in one of yesterday's tabloids about noisy kids in restaurants and planes.

Should we have kids free cafes and restaurants? I think children free flights would be popular.

Also at the check in, any parents with school age children during term time should be questioned by a truancy officer stationed at the airport.

Lol really!?

YES really, a great idea.

Dreadful idea!

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By *iscomanMan
over a year ago

Solihull

Let's not forget that we were all a child before being an adult

Parenting is now a thing of the past for a few.

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By *cottishsexgoddessWoman
over a year ago

Glenrothes

Ah that's nice but I have to say rare.

This. My two dare not misbehave when out in public. They knew they'd miss out on fun if they did. They were always well behaved and polite when we were out or on any form of transport.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Let's not forget that we were all a child before being an adult

Parenting is now a thing of the past for a few.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Parents should interact more with their kids, sit drawing and playing games, I always took a pad and pens/pencils with us.

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

My sister and I were never smacked as kids and we weren't naughty or rude. I would never smack my son either. Id much prefer to sit him down and explain what's wrong and how he can behave better. Works much better IMHO

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Parents should interact more with their kids, sit drawing and playing games, I always took a pad and pens/pencils with us."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've noticed trend when families are out eating with 'little ones'- a phone,tablet infront of the child being used as a tele! What's that about??!

Her "

Had this a few weeks back. Sat in the harvester with my 9 year old, an 18month old child sat near by with 2 women. He was using her iPhone 6 like he was born with it in his hand!! Absolutely disgusting, couldn't believe my eyes. He was taking selfies, sliding his little fingers all over it (prob uploading to Facebook

) . Then when he got a little bored she gave him half a pack of biscuits!!! He then proceeded to have phone in one hand and stuffing his face with the other!! Wtf?? Don't recall her speaking to him once

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

"Parents should interact more with their kids, sit drawing and playing games, I always took a pad and pens/pencils with us."

This! Most kids will be bored to death in cafes and restaurants!! Ive always got a colouring book and pencils in my handbag if we go for a cuppa when we are out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Parents should interact more with their kids, sit drawing and playing games, I always took a pad and pens/pencils with us."

And how long does this keep them occupied? Before one gets bored?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are many people not just children who suffer sensory overload in public places such as shops etc. It's not always bad behaviour or poor parenting. These children are often having a 'meltdown' and can not be sorted out with some more discipline. It's that sort of judgmental attitude that winds me up more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ah that's nice but I have to say rare.

Good parenting has nothing to do with the effect of take off and landings have on young ears."

Thank you u have said it so much more politely than I would have lol x

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

"I've noticed trend when families are out eating with 'little ones'- a phone,tablet infront of the child being used as a tele! What's that about??!

Her

Ive read as well that children get very easily addicted to the tablets/phones. When I got my iPad a couple of years back I put a few puzzle games on it for my lad. He would play for maybe 30 mins and I would tell him to turn it off. The tantrums that followed were epic! I banned him from using it after that and he's not touched it or my phone since!!

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As annoying as screaming kids are in these situations, its not always down to the parents.

Kids get tired & fed up in adult orientated places and their natural reaction to this is to seek attention. Thats usually when they start to kick off, sometimes very vocally.

Its just life, so why exclude them from cafe's & flights? Seems a bit extreme.

I mean, theres people with annoying laughs or irritating voices. Should they be excluded as well? Or them that drum their fingers?

Well said x

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

"Parents should interact more with their kids, sit drawing and playing games, I always took a pad and pens/pencils with us.

And how long does this keep them occupied? Before one gets bored?

We hit 2 hours in Costa colouring last week while we were hiding from the rain and he was still ok! So was I.. My colouring of santa and his reindeer was awesome if I do say so myself!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have kids and I gave to say I prefer going to places without kids!! So much quieter!! "

Same, I think there should be both child-friendly and child-free places. Our daughter has excellent table manners but unfortunately some don't so the option should be there

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

"There are many people not just children who suffer sensory overload in public places such as shops etc. It's not always bad behaviour or poor parenting. These children are often having a 'meltdown' and can not be sorted out with some more discipline. It's that sort of judgmental attitude that winds me up more.

Agreed that some people don't understand why kids lose the plot sometimes. A child having a tantrum isn't necessarily because the are naughty, haven't got their own way or due to bad parenting! Many things can contribute. I can normally spot the signs now when my boy is gonna blow and try to get him out somewhere quiet in advance to prevent it but it's not always possible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can't say it's ever bothered me, it's good to see families out enjoying life together.

I'd much rather be around families than d*unk rowdy adults."

This. How are children supposed to learn how to 'behave' if they aren't put into that situation? A meal out at a restaurant is what, an hour/90 minutes at least? I think on the whole most kids do really well - that's a long time to ask them to sit and listen to boring adult conversation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The look I used to give my kids tended to be enough,then oneday it was questioned with a teenagers attitude,"What??"

. It did make laugh and reminded me so much of myself. . The battle of wills commenced. .

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By *educedWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham

Is it really that inconvenient/ upsetting if they are noisy etc? Strikes me we (society) should be getting upset about lots of things. Boisterous noisy kids isn't one of them!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've had meltdowns with my youngest on a number of occasions, while they behave themselves as I mentioned earlier, he can't control it sometimes, if gravy comes on his food, big commotion erupts, which isn't his fault, I'm past caring if other diners stare, his brain can't commute somethings and even though it's not fair on other people is it fair I dint take my son (sons) out for a meal?

I'm a walking contradiction this morning I've just noticed!! I guess it's as I'm getting older now and my kids are bigger, small kids sometimes get my goat when we are out in restaurants but thinking about my situation and others, I guess I shouldn't be so quick to judge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it really that inconvenient/ upsetting if they are noisy etc? Strikes me we (society) should be getting upset about lots of things. Boisterous noisy kids isn't one of them! "

If you've got one evening off from your own noisy children why should you have to listen to a load of other people's? Those that you can't even discipline

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it really that inconvenient/ upsetting if they are noisy etc? Strikes me we (society) should be getting upset about lots of things. Boisterous noisy kids isn't one of them! "

Some people just like to gripe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think after a certain time at night, it should be adults only in places.

I do think some adults expect children to be silent when out though and not make ANY noise which is just stupid.

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London

I'm gobsmacked that some folk here are expecting fully formed brain function in those that simply don't have it.

Children's brains, personality and behaviours are complex and complicated. For example, in development terms, the brain does not understand 'consequence' until it's about 21.

Please don't whinge about distraction techniques AND distracting behaviour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Parents should interact more with their kids, sit drawing and playing games, I always took a pad and pens/pencils with us."

A lot of the time the kids are just bored.

I feel bad when I see kids standing there bored and the parent is ignoring them, usually on their phone. Or fed up in a trolley while the parent just tells them to shut up.

Shopping is boring. Talk to them!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Parents should interact more with their kids, sit drawing and playing games, I always took a pad and pens/pencils with us.

A lot of the time the kids are just bored.

I feel bad when I see kids standing there bored and the parent is ignoring them, usually on their phone. Or fed up in a trolley while the parent just tells them to shut up.

Shopping is boring. Talk to them!"

You just reminded me...i used to have my 2 babies in the trolley seats and then my older 2 boys clinging on the side of the trolley as we went round morrisons, good times. Bet i looked mad though, not that i noticed anyone looking coz i had to be careful my sons didn't fall off the trolley.

Can't wait to have grandkids even more now.

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By *is_irtygirlCouple
over a year ago

somewhere out there

"'Just read an article in one of yesterday's tabloids about noisy kids in restaurants and planes.

Should we have kids free cafes and restaurants? I think children free flights would be popular.

Also at the check in, any parents with school age children during term time should be questioned by a truancy officer stationed at the airport."

It's comments like this that really grinds my gears whatever next?! Although sometimes it maybe bad behaviour sometimes it could be down to the child being excited or even having special needs.

Maybe if people had a bit more consideration behaviours could be more tolerated.

As of truancy officer... yeah let's do that making it harder for families and single parents who try their best to make ends meet and not let their children go on holiday because the airlines and holiday resorts decide to up their prices to ridiculous amounts.

Ffs I'd rather listen to a screaming kid than listen to this shite. And of course before you say it's your opinion, I accept that. As so much this is my opinion.

Dirty Girl.

P.s I will be having words with Him for his comment!

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By *ouplefunukCouple
over a year ago

North Bristol

Children are not little adults and shouldn't be expected to behave as such.

Some shocking opinions on here.

*Her*

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By *ouplefunukCouple
over a year ago

North Bristol

"I'm gobsmacked that some folk here are expecting fully formed brain function in those that simply don't have it.

Children's brains, personality and behaviours are complex and complicated. For example, in development terms, the brain does not understand 'consequence' until it's about 21.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Parents are responsible for their childrens behaviour in public however i take my son abroad for 2 months of the year and i don't believe schools should be able to stop me. The experiences he gains and the life lessons he learns when travelling the world can't be taught at school. So i'd say yes to child free flights if people can afford them but the truancy thing, no chance!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As annoying as screaming kids are in these situations, its not always down to the parents.

Kids get tired & fed up in adult orientated places and their natural reaction to this is to seek attention. Thats usually when they start to kick off, sometimes very vocally.

Its just life, so why exclude them from cafe's & flights? Seems a bit extreme.

I mean, theres people with annoying laughs or irritating voices. Should they be excluded as well? Or them that drum their fingers?

I have a daughter with special needs! If I couldn't go anywhere just in case she played up then she and I would have a miserable, house-bound life!

In my experience it's adults that are occasionally rude, loud or obnoxious in restaurants! I've seen couples fight like cat and dog, have loud telephone conversations, etc etc - at least when kids misbehave there's often a reason and a solution!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Parents are responsible for their childrens behaviour in public however i take my son abroad for 2 months of the year and i don't believe schools should be able to stop me. The experiences he gains and the life lessons he learns when travelling the world can't be taught at school. So i'd say yes to child free flights if people can afford them but the truancy thing, no chance!"

How does he catch up on all the school work that he missed?

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By *is_irtygirlCouple
over a year ago

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"As annoying as screaming kids are in these situations, its not always down to the parents.

Kids get tired & fed up in adult orientated places and their natural reaction to this is to seek attention. Thats usually when they start to kick off, sometimes very vocally.

Its just life, so why exclude them from cafe's & flights? Seems a bit extreme.

I mean, theres people with annoying laughs or irritating voices. Should they be excluded as well? Or them that drum their fingers?

I have a daughter with special needs! If I couldn't go anywhere just in case she played up then she and I would have a miserable, house-bound life!

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

"'ny parents with school age children during term time should be questioned by a truancy officer stationed at the airport."

and when you say he is out of school without permission during term time ..what would the truancy officer do ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's a vast difference between noisy and badly-behaved...a small boy was singing loudly whilst I was in a long Post Office queue this morning and it was lovely to hear him so happy!

For every bored/badly-behaved/tantruming child out in public there's an equal number of loud/loutish/foul-mouthed/rude adults...should they be banned too?

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By *atcouple OP Couple
over a year ago

Suffolk - East Anglia

"'ny parents with school age children during term time should be questioned by a truancy officer stationed at the airport.

and when you say he is out of school without permission during term time ..what would the truancy officer do ?"

They would do what the school should have done, and what schools do... fine the parents. A record number of parents were fined last year for taking children out of school during term time. If this is the law why should it not be enforced? Over 99% of parents respect this and obey the law.

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"'ny parents with school age children during term time should be questioned by a truancy officer stationed at the airport.

and when you say he is out of school without permission during term time ..what would the truancy officer do ?

Over 60 million + people fly through Heathrow each year so the truancy officer is going to be very busy indeed

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over a year ago

Children, even the allegedly well behaved ones, tend to piss me off so I go out of my way to avoid that situation, e.g. going out to eat late, online shopping so I don't have to encounter them in the supermarket etc. I do think some kind of family section in planes would be good, there's nothing worse than being next to some fidgeting kid for hours in a confined space - if the families with children were all seated together the grumpy grown ups like me could sit nice and quietly on our own. And it would keep your little darlings away from any nasty sweary adults.

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over a year ago

"Children, even the allegedly well behaved ones, tend to piss me off so I go out of my way to avoid that situation, e.g. going out to eat late, online shopping so I don't have to encounter them in the supermarket etc. I do think some kind of family section in planes would be good, there's nothing worse than being next to some fidgeting kid for hours in a confined space - if the families with children were all seated together the grumpy grown ups like me could sit nice and quietly on our own. And it would keep your little darlings away from any nasty sweary adults. "

Love it!!

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over a year ago

I have children, and I got the chance to go on holiday without them as they were away with their dad...

I specifically chose a child free hotel in Italy ....

It was heaven

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

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But the schools do fine the parents so i still dont understand the truancy officers in every airport ..should we put them on campsites and caravan parks aswell ?

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over a year ago

Classic idea , you can then be surrounded by all the stag & hen parties instead of them being dispersed equally throughout the plane....

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over a year ago

Obviously the people complaining don't have children

I have two young girls who have impeccable manors and are lovely girls but hey ho, children make noise and have fun.

You can't force them to be quiet. They're kids. As long as they're not running around being naughty I don't see the problem with a bit of noise. We were all children once

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By *atcouple OP Couple
over a year ago

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"Obviously the people complaining don't have children

I have two young girls who have impeccable manors and are lovely girls but hey ho, children make noise and have fun.

You can't force them to be quiet. They're kids. As long as they're not running around being naughty I don't see the problem with a bit of noise. We were all children once

Not complaining; expressing the view that people should be able to eat at a restaurant in peace and quiet. We've had two children who have grown up to be wonderful adults and now have very good jobs. When they were young they were taught courtesy and respect for others. Amongst all the excuses for noisy children, be it, growing up, some kind of condition or parents who just don't know how to control their kids, there remains a very strong argument for people to eat, fly in a plane or generally go about their business without screaming ill behaved youngsters ruining their enjoyment. Simples.

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over a year ago

"Obviously the people complaining don't have children

I have two young girls who have impeccable manors and are lovely girls but hey ho, children make noise and have fun.

You can't force them to be quiet. They're kids. As long as they're not running around being naughty I don't see the problem with a bit of noise. We were all children once

Children are not meant to be controlled so that adults can have peace and quiet.

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over a year ago

"Obviously the people complaining don't have children

I have two young girls who have impeccable manors and are lovely girls but hey ho, children make noise and have fun.

You can't force them to be quiet. They're kids. As long as they're not running around being naughty I don't see the problem with a bit of noise. We were all children once

Children are not meant to be controlled so that adults can have peace and quiet. "

Forgot this bit 'simples'

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over a year ago

Classic idea , you can then be surrounded by all the stag & hen parties instead of them being dispersed equally throughout the plane....

I'm ok with that tbh. I'm usually in one of the hen parties

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By *oobsandballsMan
over a year ago

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For a long time I have been saying there should be adult only screenings of animated films at the cinema.

Although I once went to a midnight showing of Kung Fu Panda 2 and a couple had brought their toddler

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over a year ago

If there was an option of a child free plane I would take it!

And to be honest I avoid the restaurants and cafe's where there are lots of children simply because I don't have any - and it's annoying trying to drink a coffee when there's a toddler throwing a tantrum or screaming!

I don't think it's unreasonable of me to want to be in a child free atmosphere - there should be more places that are child free in my opinion!

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

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Kids learn by parents being firm but fair and laying down the guidelines. I'm not a perfect parent but my kids are horrified with the way their younger cousins or kids outside behave.

It's usually in the name of the kids expressing themselves. As far as i'm concerned this is a poor excuse for bad behaviour.

spot on ... my mum goes up to the parent if kids are unruly lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having a kid or 3 doesn't mean you develop any parenting skills automatically.

That's the real issue.. Some..not all shouldn't breed.

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

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enforce the not taking kids out of school more then all us adults can go away in peace lol

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over a year ago

Or maybe just maybe people should be more tolerant of children. It's not about parenting sometimes kids are noisy. If you don't like it then go somewhere where there aren't any.

We were all children once and at some point or other played up in public.

To ban children from places or services does nothing but teach the families that they're second class citizens

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over a year ago

"Or maybe just maybe people should be more tolerant of children. It's not about parenting sometimes kids are noisy. If you don't like it then go somewhere where there aren't any.

We were all children once and at some point or other played up in public.

To ban children from places or services does nothing but teach the families that they're second class citizens"

So if people don't want to bump into annoying noisy kids, they should just stay home?

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over a year ago

"Or maybe just maybe people should be more tolerant of children. It's not about parenting sometimes kids are noisy. If you don't like it then go somewhere where there aren't any.

We were all children once and at some point or other played up in public.

To ban children from places or services does nothing but teach the families that they?re second class citizens"

I don't think that people with children are second class citizens!

That's ridiculous- as families are the majority!

It's difficult to find a cafe or restaurant now where there aren't any children.

I don't think they should be banned but I think that some environments like aeroplanes should have a child free option.

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over a year ago

Ah that's nice but I have to say rare.

Good parenting has nothing to do with the effect of take off and landings have on young ears.

Quite right, but if your a good parent, and have patience, youll know to bring calpol (before flight) and plenty of distractions (ie) books, toys, favourite teddy ect.."

OK fine, can we just have "bad parent free" flights then? It sounds politically viable

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over a year ago

"Or maybe just maybe people should be more tolerant of children. It's not about parenting sometimes kids are noisy. If you don't like it then go somewhere where there aren't any.

We were all children once and at some point or other played up in public.

To ban children from places or services does nothing but teach the families that they're second class citizens

So if people don't want to bump into annoying noisy kids, they should just stay home? "

You must have been an annoying kid at some point. Probably off the scale too judging from your current paddy.

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over a year ago

"Or maybe just maybe people should be more tolerant of children. It's not about parenting sometimes kids are noisy. If you don't like it then go somewhere where there aren't any.

We were all children once and at some point or other played up in public.

To ban children from places or services does nothing but teach the families that they're second class citizens

So if people don't want to bump into annoying noisy kids, they should just stay home?

You must have been an annoying kid at some point. Probably off the scale too judging from your current paddy."

Was that aimed at me?

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over a year ago

"Or maybe just maybe people should be more tolerant of children. It's not about parenting sometimes kids are noisy. If you don't like it then go somewhere where there aren't any.

We were all children once and at some point or other played up in public.

To ban children from places or services does nothing but teach the families that they're second class citizens

So if people don't want to bump into annoying noisy kids, they should just stay home? "

I think if people are so intollerant that a crying child causes them to get so irritated then perhaps they should stay at home for fear that something really bad should befall them like having to queue up for an inordinate amount of time or their caramel latte not being hot enough

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over a year ago

How does he catch up on all the school work that he missed?"

He's a smart boy. In the last 8 years of going abraod with him at school, no teachers have ever given him "catch up work" and he just goes back to class. School isn't exactly MENSA. He's never had lower than an A in any of his classes and his behaviour always gets a "I wish every child in my class was like him" comment. The only thing he gets is a low attendance comment. Of the 3 head teachers he's had they've all said the same thing. "We would complain if his school work was affected but it's not." As someone who has 2 degrees, i've come to realise that education isn't the promised land as a lot of people seem to think.

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over a year ago

"Or maybe just maybe people should be more tolerant of children. It's not about parenting sometimes kids are noisy. If you don't like it then go somewhere where there aren't any.

We were all children once and at some point or other played up in public.

To ban children from places or services does nothing but teach the families that they?re second class citizens

I don't think that people with children are second class citizens!

That's ridiculous- as families are the majority!

It's difficult to find a cafe or restaurant now where there aren't any children.

I don't think they should be banned but I think that some environments like aeroplanes should have a child free option.

I say cut child benefit, then people will have less money to take them to restaurants

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over a year ago

How does he catch up on all the school work that he missed?

Excellent news! Now can teachers be allowed on holiday in term time too please?

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over a year ago

And i'd rather be next to a noisy kid than a smelly or hugely overweight or ignorant or loud or aggressive adult, of which there are THOUSANDS.

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over a year ago

How does he catch up on all the school work that he missed?

Excellent news! Now can teachers be allowed on holiday in term time too please? "

Well my sons teachers get holidays during term time! Last parents night there were 3 of them on holiday and it didnt bother me one bit!

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over a year ago

"Or maybe just maybe people should be more tolerant of children. It's not about parenting sometimes kids are noisy. If you don't like it then go somewhere where there aren't any.

We were all children once and at some point or other played up in public.

To ban children from places or services does nothing but teach the families that they?re second class citizens

I don't think that people with children are second class citizens!

That's ridiculous- as families are the majority!

It's difficult to find a cafe or restaurant now where there aren't any children.

I don't think they should be banned but I think that some environments like aeroplanes should have a child free option.

I say cut child benefit, then people will have less money to take them to restaurants

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By *ezjez369Man
over a year ago

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And that imho is why we are in the position we are in within society

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over a year ago

How does he catch up on all the school work that he missed?

Excellent news! Now can teachers be allowed on holiday in term time too please?

Well my sons teachers get holidays during term time! Last parents night there were 3 of them on holiday and it didnt bother me one bit!"

Teachers are not allowed to take holiday in term time. Surely parents' evenings are after the school day has ended? My husband has had one day off in 12 years, to move house! So we also have to pay all the extortionate prices and be surrounded by brats on holiday

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over a year ago

Children will be children. We attended an 80th birthday party last month with our 4yo(one of 4 kids there going childless wasn't an option as birthday girl wanted them there) He's not quiet, hes fidgety and we thanked christmas for an innotab last year along with a set of head phones. He did fantastic as did the other 3 under 5years olds. Children need to be taught manners its shocking the amount of kids that think "if I scream I'll get what I want". Parents need to be more stern in my eyes. We still show him love but my god if he's naughty or misbehaves he knows the consequences.

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over a year ago

How does he catch up on all the school work that he missed?

Excellent news! Now can teachers be allowed on holiday in term time too please?

Well my sons teachers get holidays during term time! Last parents night there were 3 of them on holiday and it didnt bother me one bit!

Parents nights are held during term time but after the school day. Those teachers were on holiday. One of them even showed the class pictures coz my son and i had been there and they chatted about it. Maybe it's different for different council areas?

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over a year ago

"Or maybe just maybe people should be more tolerant of children. It's not about parenting sometimes kids are noisy. If you don't like it then go somewhere where there aren't any.

We were all children once and at some point or other played up in public.

To ban children from places or services does nothing but teach the families that they?re second class citizens

I don't think that people with children are second class citizens!

That's ridiculous- as families are the majority!

It's difficult to find a cafe or restaurant now where there aren't any children.

I don't think they should be banned but I think that some environments like aeroplanes should have a child free option.

I say cut child benefit, then people will have less money to take them to restaurants

Pssstt...I'm not being serious. Well, not totally

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over a year ago

How does he catch up on all the school work that he missed?

Excellent news! Now can teachers be allowed on holiday in term time too please?

Well my sons teachers get holidays during term time! Last parents night there were 3 of them on holiday and it didnt bother me one bit!

How bizarre. It's not different in different areas to my knowledge but I'll ask him when he gets home. Is it a private school?

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over a year ago

"And i'd rather be next to a noisy kid than a smelly or hugely overweight or ignorant or loud or aggressive adult, of which there are THOUSANDS. "

Billions even

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

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And that imho is why we are in the position we are in within society"

Care to elaborate?

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By *ratty_DamselWoman
over a year ago

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"'Just read an article in one of yesterday's tabloids about noisy kids in restaurants and planes.

Should we have kids free cafes and restaurants? I think children free flights would be popular.

Also at the check in, any parents with school age children during term time should be questioned by a truancy officer stationed at the airport.

no but they should be taught how to behave by their parents. "

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over a year ago

How does he catch up on all the school work that he missed?

Excellent news! Now can teachers be allowed on holiday in term time too please?

Well my sons teachers get holidays during term time! Last parents night there were 3 of them on holiday and it didnt bother me one bit!

How bizarre. It's not different in different areas to my knowledge but I'll ask him when he gets home. Is it a private school? "

I wish! No it's a local school but i live in Scotland and our education system is a lot different i think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

personally on my travels I find blearing fucking headphones more annoying than any kids...

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over a year ago

How does he catch up on all the school work that he missed?

Excellent news! Now can teachers be allowed on holiday in term time too please?

Well my sons teachers get holidays during term time! Last parents night there were 3 of them on holiday and it didnt bother me one bit!

Go to adult only hotels

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over a year ago

How does he catch up on all the school work that he missed?

Excellent news! Now can teachers be allowed on holiday in term time too please?

Well my sons teachers get holidays during term time! Last parents night there were 3 of them on holiday and it didnt bother me one bit!

Go to adult only hotels

We do! But that doesn't solve the plane problem

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over a year ago

How does he catch up on all the school work that he missed?

Excellent news! Now can teachers be allowed on holiday in term time too please?

Well my sons teachers get holidays during term time! Last parents night there were 3 of them on holiday and it didnt bother me one bit!

Go to adult only hotels

We do! But that doesn't solve the plane problem

I must just be very lucky then

What do they say about karma?

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over a year ago

I like taking my 8 yr old grandson on long journeys. He talks to everyone,telling them about the train or bus we are on. Explaining where the train goes to and from. He would probably drive some of you miserable bastards mad,but he's more interesting to listen to than some of the drivel that adults come out with. I don't mind noisy children,as long as they aren't trying to kill each other or being rude. If you're on a plane you can put your headphones on and listen to music. Or you can book a Saga holiday with all the OAPs you'd get along swimmingly with

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over a year ago

How does he catch up on all the school work that he missed?

Excellent news! Now can teachers be allowed on holiday in term time too please?

Well my sons teachers get holidays during term time! Last parents night there were 3 of them on holiday and it didnt bother me one bit!

Go to adult only hotels

We do! But that doesn't solve the plane problem

I must just be very lucky then

What do they say about karma?

Something happens to people when they have children that makes them immune to the annoyance of children

Since I probably never will they'll keep irritating me.

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over a year ago

"personally on my travels I find blearing fucking headphones more annoying than any kids...

Or the couple sitting in front,kissing noisily every 5 minutes.

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over a year ago

How does he catch up on all the school work that he missed?

Excellent news! Now can teachers be allowed on holiday in term time too please?

Well my sons teachers get holidays during term time! Last parents night there were 3 of them on holiday and it didnt bother me one bit!

Go to adult only hotels

We do! But that doesn't solve the plane problem

I must just be very lucky then

What do they say about karma?

Something happens to people when they have children that makes them immune to the annoyance of children

Since I probably never will they'll keep irritating me. "

I disagree I'm not immune.

My children and other peoples have the ability to annoy the fuck out of me at times....

I travel during school holidays & can't say I have really experienced a plane full of noisy, unruly children ~ maybe it's different depending on your departure airport.....

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over a year ago

How does he catch up on all the school work that he missed?

Excellent news! Now can teachers be allowed on holiday in term time too please?

Well my sons teachers get holidays during term time! Last parents night there were 3 of them on holiday and it didnt bother me one bit!

Go to adult only hotels

We do! But that doesn't solve the plane problem

I must just be very lucky then

What do they say about karma?

Something happens to people when they have children that makes them immune to the annoyance of children

Since I probably never will they'll keep irritating me. "

No, when it's someone else's child having a major tantrum in public, you just think thank fuck it's not mine doing that

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And that imho is why we are in the position we are in within society"

you cant have it perfect...but I detest the 'non-pc' attitude that many have when it comes to children(the misbehaving ones)..when I was at school I seen first hand abuse by teachers on children...though it could thinly be disguised as punishment..despite it actually being a beating!!!

if everyone wants to jump back to a more disciplined time, yer all welcome to fuck off back to the to the last century...and whether some think its relevant or not, we are picking up the pieces right now when it comes to various authorities/bodies mishandling of child abuse in some of the places supposedly set up to help troubled youth.

my example right now would be, did anyone ever get a phone call asking for permission to physically punish their child? was a contract signed beforehand?...would it be accepted right now for any authority to act as judge and jury while handing out physical punishment?

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over a year ago

"Or maybe just maybe people should be more tolerant of children. It's not about parenting sometimes kids are noisy. If you don't like it then go somewhere where there aren't any.

We were all children once and at some point or other played up in public.

To ban children from places or services does nothing but teach the families that they?re second class citizens

I don't think that people with children are second class citizens!

That's ridiculous- as families are the majority!

It's difficult to find a cafe or restaurant now where there aren't any children.

I don't think they should be banned but I think that some environments like aeroplanes should have a child free option.

I say cut child benefit, then people will have less money to take them to restaurants

Pssstt...I'm not being serious. Well, not totally

Oh thank god!! Lol

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over a year ago

"Or maybe just maybe people should be more tolerant of children. It's not about parenting sometimes kids are noisy. If you don't like it then go somewhere where there aren't any.

We were all children once and at some point or other played up in public.

To ban children from places or services does nothing but teach the families that they're second class citizens

So if people don't want to bump into annoying noisy kids, they should just stay home?

Fair enough.

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over a year ago

How does he catch up on all the school work that he missed?

Excellent news! Now can teachers be allowed on holiday in term time too please?

Well my sons teachers get holidays during term time! Last parents night there were 3 of them on holiday and it didnt bother me one bit!

Go to adult only hotels

We do! But that doesn't solve the plane problem

I must just be very lucky then

What do they say about karma?

Something happens to people when they have children that makes them immune to the annoyance of children

Since I probably never will they'll keep irritating me.

No, when it's someone else's child having a major tantrum in public, you just think thank fuck it's not mine doing that

And walk away smiling

Although my children never had public tantrums. I'm not a super parent,I was just blessed with well behaved children. I did master the art of giving them things to occupy themselves. We used to play supermarket sweep when we went shopping. I'd give them 3 things each to fetch,with explicit instructions not to run. They sort of jogged around Asda.

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over a year ago

"Parents should interact more with their kids, sit drawing and playing games, I always took a pad and pens/pencils with us.

And how long does this keep them occupied? Before one gets bored?

I used to do 4 hours on a coach with my son, never got bored, same with other kids, imagination is the key, patience and time are also helpful.

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over a year ago

My Autistic lads have massive tantrums sometimes, I used to get a lot of looks and comments when they were younger, once they reached a certain age their disabilities became more obvious, I still get the odd comments from tosspots, but most people are lovely.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

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"'Just read an article in one of yesterday's tabloids about noisy kids in restaurants and planes.

Should we have kids free cafes and restaurants? I think children free flights would be popular.

Also at the check in, any parents with school age children during term time should be questioned by a truancy officer stationed at the airport.

no but they should be taught how to behave by their parents. "

On the continent kids are in restaurants, the difference is they know how to behave, not allowed to run wild by indifferent, lazy, sloppy parents...oh don't get me started on this!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cattle prods

First sign of a tantrum or hyper activity ... zap !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On a flight, give me a crying child any day over a screeching / cackling hen party or a loud and boisterous stag do

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over a year ago

"'Just read an article in one of yesterday's tabloids about noisy kids in restaurants and planes.

Should we have kids free cafes and restaurants? I think children free flights would be popular.

Also at the check in, any parents with school age children during term time should be questioned by a truancy officer stationed at the airport.

no but they should be taught how to behave by their parents.

On the continent kids are in restaurants, the difference is they know how to behave, not allowed to run wild by indifferent, lazy, sloppy parents...oh don't get me started on this!"

I think a lot is down to the fact children are more accepted in restaurants and cafes on the continent than they are in England.

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over a year ago

"Cattle prods

First sign of a tantrum or hyper activity ... zap !

Oh the power

I'd zap every annoying fooker in sight ~ luvre it

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By *gowbhoy4funMan
over a year ago

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Just give them all a wee valium

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"'Just read an article in one of yesterday's tabloids about noisy kids in restaurants and planes.

Should we have kids free cafes and restaurants? I think children free flights would be popular.

Also at the check in, any parents with school age children during term time should be questioned by a truancy officer stationed at the airport.

no but they should be taught how to behave by their parents.

On the continent kids are in restaurants, the difference is they know how to behave, not allowed to run wild by indifferent, lazy, sloppy parents...oh don't get me started on this!"

So many points are made during debates with that phrase "on the continent". Isn't that the equivalent of someone coming here on holiday, visiting nice attractions, museums etc. Noticing how children behave at such venues and return to place of origin and saying British children are very well behaved.

On the continent, they have 'no go' areas in Paris which frequent rioting. No need to mention certain suburbs in Brussels. Higher crime rates in Spain. Massive problems with alcohol dependency in some Scandinavian countries. Problems with racism in Greece but apparently all still much better parents than us.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

"The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise."

Socrates

Old humans love being grumpy about younger humans shocker.

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over a year ago

""The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise."

Socrates

Old humans love being grumpy about younger humans shocker.

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""The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise."

Socrates

Old humans love being grumpy about younger humans shocker.

Can we not say the same about adults, I have met oe annoying adults than I have kids.

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over a year ago

Lets just face it - most people with children are going to argue their right to take them where they want - and people without children are going to argue that they don't want to be surrounded by brats!

Even the ones that have baby sitters and are spending time without their own!

So why not have child free zones - it's a basic human right to choose what and who we want to be surrounded by - especially when you are paying to sit in a cafe / pub / restaurant!

I don't understand why this is offensive - surely those of you that have children understand that it is really annoying to have other peoples kids around?!

I like children by the way - I just want to have a choice of places where they aren't going to be from time to time!

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

Another thread just highlighting how intolerant humans are of other humans....

What I really find amusing is that people moaning about children are actually showing childish traits themselves.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

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"Lets just face it - most people with children are going to argue their right to take them where they want - and people without children are going to argue that they don't want to be surrounded by brats!

Even the ones that have baby sitters and are spending time without their own!

So why not have child free zones - it's a basic human right to choose what and who we want to be surrounded by - especially when you are paying to sit in a cafe / pub / restaurant!

I don't understand why this is offensive - surely those of you that have children understand that it is really annoying to have other peoples kids around?!

I like children by the way - I just want to have a choice of places where they aren't going to be from time to time!

Children are just another section of society, like it or not.

Is it acceptable to exclude people along different demographics?

Places that bar old people perhaps, or bar a particular gender?

I've heard certain men in pubs voice that they would like to see a return to a time when women weren't allowed in pubs - is this a basic human right?

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over a year ago

Even the ones that have baby sitters and are spending time without their own!

So why not have child free zones - it's a basic human right to choose what and who we want to be surrounded by - especially when you are paying to sit in a cafe / pub / restaurant!

I don't understand why this is offensive - surely those of you that have children understand that it is really annoying to have other peoples kids around?!

I like children by the way - I just want to have a choice of places where they aren't going to be from time to time!

Children are just another section of society, like it or not.

Is it acceptable to exclude people along different demographics?

Places that bar old people perhaps, or bar a particular gender?

I've heard certain men in pubs voice that they would like to see a return to a time when women weren't allowed in pubs - is this a basic human right?"

Everyone is entitled to an opinion

I don't really care whether it is acceptable to you or anyone else - it's how I feel.

Do you not try your best to put yourself in environments that suit you?

I understand that when I'm in a public place I have no control over who or what is going to be there!

You can see it as you like - most people don't like other peoples brats!

I'm guessing you have children .....