FabSwingers.com forum: Turkey V Russia

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Well-well-well....

This could get clarty ....

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

oops..

yes agreed, didn't see this one..

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

As if its not a complicated mess already ..

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"As if its not a complicated mess already ..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"oops..

yes agreed, didn't see this one.."

Yep..... I can't see either side laughing this one off,,,,,,

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"oops..

yes agreed, didn't see this one..

Yep..... I can't see either side laughing this one off,,,,,,

nope, macho v macho its got the potential to go very pear shaped..

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

Stand by for a round of politicians being asked "were Turkey right?"

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Stand by for a round of politicians being asked "were Turkey right?"

Well it is Panto season...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Strap yourselves in it's going to get messy. Is this an excuse that Russia needs to get some stomping in?

Putin gonna be mad

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Strap yourselves in it's going to get messy. Is this an excuse that Russia needs to get some stomping in?

Putin gonna be mad "

Ironically the scenario of Russian pilots ending up in I.S. hands could unleash a Russian response the rest of the world might welcome.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can't they just put it down to friendly fire? US just normally blow up anything that moves, at least the Russians Had a few warnings.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Ooh what happened, do i need to turn News 24 on??

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Ooh what happened, do i need to turn News 24 on??"

The Turks shot-down a Russian warplane which they claim violated their airspace.

2 Russian pilots ejected and landed over the Syrian border possibly into rebel held territory ....

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

If you believe the Turks and the flight plan they have released it seems that the Russian plane did briefly cross a small finger of Turkish territory.

However it seems to have flown widthways across a very small area and a fast jet would have been in and out in a matter of seconds.

So why the hell did the Turks have to shoot it down?

The Russians are bombing ISIS who are supposedly the enemy of Turkey as well.

I think the Turks have to decide who's side they are REALLY on.

At the moment it doesn't look like they are on ours.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And to complicate things further, Turkey is a member of NATO, so if Russia retaliates things could get very messy, very fast.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Turks are looking after themselves. Putin is hand in hand with Assad,bombing anyone fighting Assads regime. It was bound to turn ugly sooner rather than later.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

hope the plane wasn't called arch duke ferdinand

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Turkey claiming it's jets shot it down,Russia claiming it was a land missile.

Anyone booked a Turkish or Balkan holiday for next year?

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"hope the plane wasn't called arch duke ferdinand

A chilling thought, and it has to be remembered that after the assassination it was the various treaty's and pacts that led down the road to war.

I think NATO should think very hard about article five before things get out of hand.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Strap yourselves in it's going to get messy. Is this an excuse that Russia needs to get some stomping in?

Putin gonna be mad

Ironically the scenario of Russian pilots ending up in I.S. hands could unleash a Russian response the rest of the world might welcome.....

Yes don't piss the Russians off ask hitler he found out the hard way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Turkey claiming it's jets shot it down,Russia claiming it was a land missile.

Anyone booked a Turkish or Balkan holiday for next year?"

Only the insane or ignorant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you believe the Turks and the flight plan they have released it seems that the Russian plane did briefly cross a small finger of Turkish territory.

However it seems to have flown widthways across a very small area and a fast jet would have been in and out in a matter of seconds.

So why the hell did the Turks have to shoot it down?

The Russians are bombing ISIS who are supposedly the enemy of Turkey as well.

I think the Turks have to decide who's side they are REALLY on.

At the moment it doesn't look like they are on ours."

All valid points (though how much the Russians are bombing ISIS and how much they're bombing the other anti-Assad rebels is a matter of debate).

However, on the other hand:

- Was it wise for the Russians to be flying close enough to the border to stray across it like that?

- If the Turks are right and they repeatedly challenged the bomber by radio, why didn't the Russians respond? The challenge would probably have been made while the bomber was over Syria ("You are approaching Turkish airspace, please state your intentions" or something).

- If the bomber was in Turkish airspace, was it a navigational error, or were they attacking Syrian rebels sheltering on the Turkish side of the border?

Someone somewhere screwed up badly and if, as the latest reports suggest, one of the Russian crew is dead, this could get very bad.

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By *opinovMan
over a year ago

Point Nemo, Cumbria

Arms companies' shares will be booming!

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By *isdirtygirlCouple
over a year ago

somewhere out there

My suspicions would be on the Turks. They know the Russians are operating in the area. Someone had an itchy trigger finger and has caused a major diplomatic incident.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The russia today news website has lots of info of course.

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By *ummersun99Woman
over a year ago

North Yorkshire by the Sea

Haven't the Russians repeatedly flown over our airspace too and been escorted out?

I think the Russians wouldn't bat an eye at flouting airspace borders in their Syria campaign, but the Turks are playing both sides, US/NATO allies yet allowing Turkish IS fighters and weapons suppliess across it's borders without challenge.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

There will be no reprisals against Turkey over this. Putin will make a big show for his domestic audience in order to keep up his hard-man image. However unlike the Ukraine, Turkey is a member of NATO and is protected by NATO's nuclear umbrella and Putin like all his bully predecessors will not start a hot war with the west because he knows he cannot win.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw a really eye opening interview with Putin. He sat down with a live audience, and anyone could throw a question at him and he would answer. He'd sit there for hours answering stuff, yet you'd never see Cameron ever consider something like that unless he only answers questions planned in advance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KHCNk9BYy4

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I saw a really eye opening interview with Putin. He sat down with a live audience, and anyone could throw a question at him and he would answer. He'd sit there for hours answering stuff, yet you'd never see Cameron ever consider something like that unless he only answers questions planned in advance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KHCNk9BYy4"

and you don't think that in Putin's Russia where independent and scrutinising journalists have been being topped for several years that his own audience wasn't hand picked..?

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

"Haven't the Russians repeatedly flown over our airspace too and been escorted out?

From memory, they were over international waterse but very close to our waters in a buffer zone. So not technically doing anything wrong but politically rude...

The trouble is, Turkey is trying to have its cake and eat it...

Part of Europe and Nato but still a Muslim state with some ideals that don't sit well with the rest of the EU...

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

Apparently both crew are dead...

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By *argaret JamesTV/TS
over a year ago

Bromsgrove

"Haven't the Russians repeatedly flown over our airspace too and been escorted out?

Mmmm wouldn't mind invading your borders

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"If you believe the Turks and the flight plan they have released it seems that the Russian plane did briefly cross a small finger of Turkish territory.

However it seems to have flown widthways across a very small area and a fast jet would have been in and out in a matter of seconds.

So why the hell did the Turks have to shoot it down?

The Russians are bombing ISIS who are supposedly the enemy of Turkey as well.

I think the Turks have to decide who's side they are REALLY on.

At the moment it doesn't look like they are on ours."

The Russians are bombing all of the anti Assad groups. In that little corner where it was bombing, opposition Turkmen fighters are active and these people are openly supported by Turkey. Seemingly they shot both pilot and Navigator as they were descending alive in their parachutes. This could turn really unpleasant actually.

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KHCNk9BYy4

and you don't think that in Putin's Russia where independent and scrutinising journalists have been being topped for several years that his own audience wasn't hand picked..?

Aye, and during the cold war i also imagined it was always raining in the eastern bloc, and mostly black and white....turns out they do have colour and it's quite sunny at times

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mrs N used to shag a young turkish guy. Gord he was passionate LOL. He used to fuck like an express train.

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By *onnybag69Man
over a year ago

Manchester

according to RT television the pilots have been shot dead by rebels supported by Turkey there is film of the dead pilots on RT tv it turns outthat Turkey as been supporting isil

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"according to RT television the pilots have been shot dead by rebels supported by Turkey there is film of the dead pilots on RT tv it turns outthat Turkey as been supporting isil"

The news feed I'm watching reported the pilots where shot dead during their parachuting fall.... now it's reporting both pilots are still alive....

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By *ay and KatieCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Turkey claiming it's jets shot it down,Russia claiming it was a land missile.

Anyone booked a Turkish or Balkan holiday for next year?

Only the insane or ignorant."

Going to Istanbul in 2 weeks for a football game.

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By *izzabelle and well hungCouple
over a year ago

Edinburgh.

"Turkey claiming it's jets shot it down,Russia claiming it was a land missile.

Anyone booked a Turkish or Balkan holiday for next year?

Only the insane or ignorant.

Going to Istanbul in 2 weeks for a football game.

You must be mental!

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By *ay and KatieCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Turkey claiming it's jets shot it down,Russia claiming it was a land missile.

Anyone booked a Turkish or Balkan holiday for next year?

Only the insane or ignorant.

Going to Istanbul in 2 weeks for a football game.

You must be mental!"

Love my team, even tho they are playing shit lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Turkey claiming it's jets shot it down,Russia claiming it was a land missile.

Anyone booked a Turkish or Balkan holiday for next year?

Only the insane or ignorant.

Going to Istanbul in 2 weeks for a football game.

You must be mental!

Love my team, even tho they are playing shit lol "

A quick trip there is fine. I wouldn't be booking 2 weeks there though.

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By *onnybag69Man
over a year ago

Manchester

i suppose a football match will be fair game

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By *im himCouple (MM)
over a year ago

bedworth

Yes but don't you think that's what the powers at be want ? Think of all that cash they be earning . Wars make them a lot of money . Only saying

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By *onnybag69Man
over a year ago

Manchester

well it seems the turks are definitely on the fiddle

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All these different Countries backing different factions was only a matter of time before the streams got crossed. Big kick off on the horizon.

Didn't Nostradamus predict this?

http://www.tedmontgomery.com/bblovrvw/Endtimes/Nostradamus/05.html

It will all be ok brah

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Mrs N used to shag a young turkish guy. Gord he was passionate LOL. He used to fuck like an express train."

did you often take the Midnight Express?

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

"Haven't the Russians repeatedly flown over our airspace too and been escorted out?

No, there have been no publicly reported incursions. They have flown close, as they have been doing since the 60's, and are routinely advised of their proximity and escorted by quick reaction fighters until they are clear.

I'm sure they would have received several warnings from Turkey, which they chose to ignore. I'm also sure that Russia will just lie about the events.

The US is bound to have accurate data, the exact sequence of events will no doubt surface in time.

I don't think Russia will want an all out conflict with NATO, and I'm guessing they'll be a bit more circumspect in future.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

Pretty good synopsis at the beeb:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34914375

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Haven't the Russians repeatedly flown over our airspace too and been escorted out?

I'm sure they would have received several warnings from Turkey, which they chose to ignore. I'm also sure that Russia will just lie about the events.

The US is bound to have accurate data, the exact sequence of events will no doubt surface in time.

I don't think Russia will want an all out conflict with NATO, and I'm guessing they'll be a bit more circumspect in future."

Good use of the word "publicly"...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The Turks are looking after themselves. Putin is hand in hand with Assad,bombing anyone fighting Assads regime. It was bound to turn ugly sooner rather than later.

Yes & the Turks are looking after the Kurds too, - the people whom are doing more than anyone else in fighting ISIS, - by bombing them!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Isis was making money from the oil, Russia blow up the oil to stop isis gaining more money then Turkey blow up the plane. So if Turkey is corrupt should they be a member of NATO. USA have got a hidden agenda by training and supplying the rebels to fight and topple the Syria government and also they hate Russia

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By *eamanguyMan
over a year ago

Altinkum-Turkey

Hey Russia, sorry you lost a pilot and a Su-24 today, but isn’t the closest ISIS like 500+ miles away from there?Most of countries doing that, but we warned russian pilots 10 times. according our soldiers resources. there are rules.they must go and just kill isis. not every anti Asad people. Stop killing turkmens. Don't occupy Ukraine.Those kids are crying because of an airplane while there are 300000 people dead in that area.3million syrian people has left from their country and all the syrians people now in turkey .turkey has save thems now almost 4 years .so a lot of trajedi and poor. :- we only defend Turkmens and FSA in syria. Secondly we just shot the plane, cause it was in our territory not in syria ok?

Turkey has rights in order to make safer place border. So, fighting PKK, ISIS and other teror groups

real supporter of ISIS is Russia itself... ISIS have never really fight against Esed's Russian supported regime... existence of ISIS is used by Russia to legitimize its military intervention and existence in Syria

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