FabSwingers.com forum: UK will join and bomb in syria

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

After 10 days ago in france, UK will join forces Cameron said today, do you think this is the right thing and would it be the wrong move?

Could this lead to more threat against UK from ISIS?

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley

"After 10 days ago in france, UK will join forces Cameron said today, do you think this is the right thing and would it be the wrong move?

Could this lead to more threat against UK from ISIS?"
quick answer no, yes & yes. Parliament needs to have free vote on it.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Obviously it will.

More bombing in Syria=more innocents killed, more people radicalised and more people willing to get revenge through terrorism against the UK and others involved in the region.

Of course, that is exactly what ISIS wants, so people who support bombing in Syria are people who support ISIS.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Depends what we do.

If we went in and simply destroyed assads airforce we'd save a lot of civilian lives by stopping the barrel bombings of civilian areas.

That I could support

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought we were the number 1 ally to get involved to help France. being an island with great security we are least likely to be successfully hurt for bombing ISIS so why not us?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seems a bit ridiculous if you ask me, how will the uk 6 planes help...is this a case of Cameron missing out on the action and he has to be a player of the party for his ego's sake.

More should be done on the humanitarian side, this is where real respect can be earned...all we do is drop bombs, let USA and Russia do that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I thought we were the number 1 ally to get involved to help France. being an island with great security we are least likely to be successfully hurt for bombing ISIS so why not us?

Of the 700+ UK citizens that have gone to fight for Isis over 450 have returned to the UK with only a handful being a rested or charged

That's a lot of potential, if not bombers but preachers and recruiters.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"I thought we were the number 1 ally to get involved to help France. being an island with great security we are least likely to be successfully hurt for bombing ISIS so why not us?

There are easily targetable Brits all over the world.

Having great security didn't prevent 7/7. France's security is far more stringent than ours, and it hasn't prevented attacks there.

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

"After 10 days ago in france, UK will join forces Cameron said today, do you think this is the right thing and would it be the wrong move?

Could this lead to more threat against UK from ISIS?"

We're already in the firing line, so it makes little difference.

It's not the end solution, but, it's an inevitable starting point.

We're hardly showing solidarity with France, like we're claiming, unless we join them, are we?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seems a bit ridiculous if you ask me, how will the uk 6 planes help...is this a case of Cameron missing out on the action and he has to be a player of the party for his ego's sake.

More should be done on the humanitarian side, this is where real respect can be earned...all we do is drop bombs, let USA and Russia do that

We've been providing non lethal aid since the start.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I thought we were the number 1 ally to get involved to help France. being an island with great security we are least likely to be successfully hurt for bombing ISIS so why not us?

Of the 700+ UK citizens that have gone to fight for Isis over 450 have returned to the UK with only a handful being a rested or charged

That's a lot of potential, if not bombers but preachers and recruiters. "

How did sone get back into the UK without being arrested? (Not arguing just asking

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I thought we were the number 1 ally to get involved to help France. being an island with great security we are least likely to be successfully hurt for bombing ISIS so why not us?

Of the 700+ UK citizens that have gone to fight for Isis over 450 have returned to the UK with only a handful being a rested or charged

That's a lot of potential, if not bombers but preachers and recruiters.

How did sone get back into the UK without being arrested? (Not arguing just asking

We never made it a crime.

So they just came back when they were deported by turkey etc trying to cross the border.

Others just returned of their own free will.

Unless we have prof they faught though there's not much that could be done.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I think they need to hold some kind of voting first for the population to decide as it affects us as every action has consequences of joining the battle.

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By *ovely CummingsWoman
over a year ago

Peaky Nipples

All the bombing campaigns have resulted in the situation we are now in, can't see how continuing the same will get different results??

Maybe stop the arms being sold would be a better tact?

Finding and using all other solutions would be my view

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah let them back in so they can do a Paris type attack on us !!!! Well done mr Cameron

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All the bombing campaigns have resulted in the situation we are now in, can't see how continuing the same will get different results??

Maybe stop the arms being sold would be a better tact?

Finding and using all other solutions would be my view "

With the billions Isis has there's always someone who will sell them arms.

But you must remember they captu_ed masses of equipment from the Iraqi army so they have a pot without having to buy it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah let them back in so they can do a Paris type attack on us !!!! Well done mr Cameron "

Don't worry they're having to attend classes to teach them how wrong terrorism is.

See don't you feel safer now

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By *atcoupleCouple
over a year ago

Suffolk - East Anglia

"After 10 days ago in france, UK will join forces Cameron said today, do you think this is the right thing and would it be the wrong move?

Could this lead to more threat against UK from ISIS?"

As good old Maggie said, appeasement never ever works.

Bomb them soon, very very hard.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

TO LATE YOU USELESS PIECE OF SHIT CAMERON....the people of kent have seen you let thousands of migrants flood into our country,no checks nothing and we help them....no one knows how many isis fighters are already here....just waiting for the next bomb on innocent people in uk.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

This is soooooo pointless

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By *atcoupleCouple
over a year ago

Suffolk - East Anglia

"TO LATE YOU USELESS PIECE OF SHIT CAMERON....the people of kent have seen you let thousands of migrants flood into our country,no checks nothing and we help them....no one knows how many isis fighters are already here....just waiting for the next bomb on innocent people in uk."

Fair comment!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

An interesting article showed a huge % of Muslims aged 15 to 35 are heavily influenced by the hate preachers . This is the root of the issue . So sod free speech - stop the preachers of hate and the problem goes .

Easier said than done of course - but pandering to them and allowing them to influence as we have must stop .

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Hmmm.

Daily Mail readers are out in force today, I see.

Arm-chair generallery at its finest

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He tried to do this how many years ago but labour blocked it.

Also no they haven't seen thousands of imigrants flood in. They've seen a few hund_ed at most.

But thsouands of attempts have been stopped.

How exactly do you expect him to stop it blow up the channel tunnel?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is soooooo pointless"

I can't sleep this helps :p

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"An interesting article showed a huge % of Muslims aged 15 to 35 are heavily influenced by the hate preachers . This is the root of the issue . So sod free speech - stop the preachers of hate and the problem goes .

Easier said than done of course - but pandering to them and allowing them to influence as we have must stop .

Are you referring to the front page of the sun?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Humaniatarians, read about their history. From 610 till NOW they still fight , even between each other as they do not understand quran in same way. BUT when is about humiliating the unbelivers they agree this is the goal to serve law of allah. Spread of Islam is so close to UK, France Sweden. UK will have 64% muslims till 2050. They will ask for their law to be implied with a help of a political party (or they make they own).As they WON`T change the wayof life, even some look like they do. This is the way they spread around.Humiliating people who dont belive is also they goal( see quran or just see couple of video...they use alot "humiliating"). SO, YES someone have to have some balls to say, they have to change. Leaving them alone is not that simple. See IRAN trying to develop nuclear bombs. SO the easiest thing will be to try to keep that region out of war ( one more see years 610-2015) it is not about america, or uk or... war is what they do best in name of allah. it is a campaing now on facebook #not in my name, they have fun with us, of course not in their names...in the name of allah ...the best planer

) Also is not just about isis, there are 12 groups who fight against assad regime. And u see Nato have to show unity, otherwise everything is lost HERE Protect your way of life...or just be muslim.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sad to say but true.In every war there is collateral damage and civilians killed.Thousands died in W.W.2 both Uk and German.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Sad to say but true.In every war there is collateral damage and civilians killed.Thousands died in W.W.2 both Uk and German."

* millions

Don;t forget Russia, China, Japan &c &c

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

I can see a lot of FEAR in this thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"UK will have 64% muslims till 2050."

I'll assume you mean by not till.

But all this sentence proves is that you have no grasp of the statistics you're attempting to put forward.

Unless we get invaded by Saudi Arabia and they commit a large scale genocide of the non Muslim population this just can't happen.

Even if you assume all births to Muslim parents result in all offspring resulting in Muslim adults it still doesn't hold true due to the significantly larger population of non Muslims breeding

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can see a lot of FEAR in this thread"

I always liked

Fear is a choice;

Forget Everything And Run

Face Everything And Rise

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"I can see a lot of FEAR in this thread

I always liked

Fear is a choice;

Forget Everything And Run

Face Everything And Rise "

Personally, I think we should bomb anyone who's not exactly like us

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"I can see a lot of FEAR in this thread

I always liked

Fear is a choice;

Forget Everything And Run

Face Everything And Rise "

* Fight or flight?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can see a lot of FEAR in this thread

I always liked

Fear is a choice;

Forget Everything And Run

Face Everything And Rise

Personally, I think we should bomb anyone who's not exactly like us

That's harsh the Scots aren't THAT bad.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"I can see a lot of FEAR in this thread

I always liked

Fear is a choice;

Forget Everything And Run

Face Everything And Rise

Personally, I think we should bomb anyone who's not exactly like us

That's harsh the Scots aren't THAT bad."

They are a little bit suspect tho'?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" UK will have 64% muslims till 2050."

That seems a ridiculous statement to make. Have you any source to back it up?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

" UK will have 64% muslims till 2050.

That seems a ridiculous statement to make. Have you any source to back it up?"

Probs The Express or made up on the spot. More or less the same thing tbh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" UK will have 64% muslims till 2050.

That seems a ridiculous statement to make. Have you any source to back it up?"

Daily Hate oops I meant Daily Mail

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

What me must remember is ISIS are not simply a terrorist organisation seeking revenge on what they perceive as oppression from the West. Their aim is to establish a fully fledged theocratic Islamic state that encompasses Muslims worldwide. What is more, the choice offe_ed to all is to agree with them or be killed.

One of the main reasons why the Paris concert became a target was because it represented the decadence of Western youth.

Where and how do you begin to deal with a 'state' that envisages and desires world domination?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"What me must remember is ISIS are not simply a terrorist organisation seeking revenge on what they perceive as oppression from the West. Their aim is to establish a fully fledged theocratic Islamic state that encompasses Muslims worldwide. What is more, the choice offe_ed to all is to agree with them or be killed.

One of the main reasons why the Paris concert became a target was because it represented the decadence of Western youth.

Where and how do you begin to deal with a 'state' that envisages and desires world domination? "

So-called Islamic State is a medieval death cult.

There is no way they will ever achieve world domination.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I blame the Freemasons

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I blame the Freemasons "

Just seen your other thread lol

But yeh the Freemasons did it..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One of the main reasons why the Paris concert became a target was because it represented the decadence of Western youth.

Where and how do you begin to deal with a 'state' that envisages and desires world domination?

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Bomb them apparently

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

One of the main reasons why the Paris concert became a target was because it represented the decadence of Western youth.

Where and how do you begin to deal with a 'state' that envisages and desires world domination?

So-called Islamic State is a medieval death cult.

There is no way they will ever achieve world domination. "

I agree, but that wasn't the question

The question is how do you deal with an organisation that believes that, and is killing people on a daily basis

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By *edMan
over a year ago

cambridgeshire

"I blame the Freemasons "

Of like to shake your hands in a very strange way

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

One of the main reasons why the Paris concert became a target was because it represented the decadence of Western youth.

Where and how do you begin to deal with a 'state' that envisages and desires world domination?

So-called Islamic State is a medieval death cult.

There is no way they will ever achieve world domination.

I agree, but that wasn't the question

The question is how do you deal with an organisation that believes that, and is killing people on a daily basis "

Several things:

IS/ISIS/ISIL/whatever we're calling it this week is inherently unstable. It will eventually implode... It is however, highly dangerous and impossible to open a dialogue with.

So:

1/ regional, round table talks, inc. the Syrians/Assad, the Iranians, Saudis as well as US & Russia - every fucker who's throwing fuel on the fire - with a view to creating a common command/control structure.

2/ strangle their finances - through oil smuggling

3/ pour resources in to the refugee crisis/camps in neighbouring countries

4/ Someone's gonna have to put troops on the ground - be that the US, Russia, Turkey, Saudi or some combination. Air power alone cannot win without men on the ground.

And then thought needs to put into a post-ISIS world - what are we gonna do with this benighted part of the world?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One of the main reasons why the Paris concert became a target was because it represented the decadence of Western youth.

Where and how do you begin to deal with a 'state' that envisages and desires world domination?

So-called Islamic State is a medieval death cult.

There is no way they will ever achieve world domination.

I agree, but that wasn't the question

The question is how do you deal with an organisation that believes that, and is killing people on a daily basis

Several things:

IS/ISIS/ISIL/whatever we're calling it this week is inherently unstable. It will eventually implode... It is however, highly dangerous and impossible to open a dialogue with.

So:

2/ strangle their finances - through oil smuggling

3/ pour resources in to the refugee crisis/camps in neighbouring countries

4/ Someone's gonna have to put troops on the ground - be that the US, Russia, Turkey, Saudi or some combination. Air power alone cannot win without men on the ground.

And then thought needs to put into a post-ISIS world - what are we gonna do with this benighted part of the world?"

Agreed sounds eminently sensible.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

One of the main reasons why the Paris concert became a target was because it represented the decadence of Western youth.

Where and how do you begin to deal with a 'state' that envisages and desires world domination?

So-called Islamic State is a medieval death cult.

There is no way they will ever achieve world domination.

I agree, but that wasn't the question

The question is how do you deal with an organisation that believes that, and is killing people on a daily basis

Several things:

IS/ISIS/ISIL/whatever we're calling it this week is inherently unstable. It will eventually implode... It is however, highly dangerous and impossible to open a dialogue with.

So:

2/ strangle their finances - through oil smuggling

3/ pour resources in to the refugee crisis/camps in neighbouring countries

4/ Someone's gonna have to put troops on the ground - be that the US, Russia, Turkey, Saudi or some combination. Air power alone cannot win without men on the ground.

And then thought needs to put into a post-ISIS world - what are we gonna do with this benighted part of the world?

Agreed sounds eminently sensible.

I'm not as dumb as I look

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Even if Britain didn't join in bombing the cunts they will still attack the U.K

The people who want to put your head in the sand and pretend it's not happening okay.

To them you aren't a muslim, you are a non believer in a rich country. You are everything they hate, so you can give them flowers and sweets, they will still attack you cause they hate you.

ISIS is like a bacterial infection, pretend it not there it will spread and eventually kill you, so you have to kill the infection first

If someone is getting attacked on the street, do you pretend you haven't seen it and carry on walking or do you help, even by just calling the police.

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By *atcoupleCouple
over a year ago

Suffolk - East Anglia

"Even if Britain didn't join in bombing the cunts they will still attack the U.K

The people who want to put your head in the sand and pretend it's not happening okay.

To them you aren't a muslim, you are a non believer in a rich country. You are everything they hate, so you can give them flowers and sweets, they will still attack you cause they hate you.

ISIS is like a bacterial infection, pretend it not there it will spread and eventually kill you, so you have to kill the infection first

If someone is getting attacked on the street, do you pretend you haven't seen it and carry on walking or do you help, even by just calling the police."

Well put!

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Even if Britain didn't join in bombing the cunts they will still attack the U.K

The people who want to put your head in the sand and pretend it's not happening okay.

To them you aren't a muslim, you are a non believer in a rich country. You are everything they hate, so you can give them flowers and sweets, they will still attack you cause they hate you.

ISIS is like a bacterial infection, pretend it not there it will spread and eventually kill you, so you have to kill the infection first

If someone is getting attacked on the street, do you pretend you haven't seen it and carry on walking or do you help, even by just calling the police."

FEAR!!!

The point is simple:

Terrorists cannot kill us all. The greater threat to our way of life comes not from jihadi fucks but how we respond to them.

We will trade liberty for 'security' and get neither, if we're not careful at this precise moment.

Do not live in fear.

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By *edMan
over a year ago

cambridgeshire

One of the main reasons why the Paris concert became a target was because it represented the decadence of Western youth.

Where and how do you begin to deal with a 'state' that envisages and desires world domination?

So-called Islamic State is a medieval death cult.

There is no way they will ever achieve world domination.

I agree, but that wasn't the question

The question is how do you deal with an organisation that believes that, and is killing people on a daily basis

Several things:

IS/ISIS/ISIL/whatever we're calling it this week is inherently unstable. It will eventually implode... It is however, highly dangerous and impossible to open a dialogue with.

So:

2/ strangle their finances - through oil smuggling

3/ pour resources in to the refugee crisis/camps in neighbouring countries

4/ Someone's gonna have to put troops on the ground - be that the US, Russia, Turkey, Saudi or some combination. Air power alone cannot win without men on the ground.

And then thought needs to put into a post-ISIS world - what are we gonna do with this benighted part of the world?"

Total agreement. The post conflict time ( whenever that might be..) is of great concern. Mishandling the peace post WW1 lead to WW2, Iraq went from the population seeing the coilition go from hero to zero quite quickly and all the problems that caused.

If you liberate a people from an oppressor, you hand to help them set up their own country the way they want it. Not impose your own ideas on them.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Total agreement. The post conflict time ( whenever that might be..) is of great concern. Mishandling the peace post WW1 lead to WW2, Iraq went from the population seeing the coilition go from hero to zero quite quickly and all the problems that caused.

If you liberate a people from an oppressor, you hand to help them set up their own country the way they want it. Not impose your own ideas on them.

It is very interesting to note that massive investment in both Japan & W Germany after WWII produced two of the most successful new democracies on the planet.

If you bomb a state to fuck, leave it alone and then expect democracy to flower you end up with things like Libya.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Diamond Joe i suggest you move to syria and do not live in fear, dont let them hold you down.

I guess when terrorists attack, the police should sit in the office and ignore them, and also we should remove all police and MI5, MI6 surveillance, switch off all cctv. Then we can have our human right of privacy.

so there will be suicide bombings everyday, beheadings on the street, but we will be pacifist like jeremy corbyn with privacy and a bit of tree hugging xxxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"After 10 days ago in france, UK will join forces Cameron said today, do you think this is the right thing and would it be the wrong move?

Could this lead to more threat against UK from ISIS?"

Yes it will, I am totally against war but when people have no principles and kill innocent people we should wipe them out before they kill many more people. Fuck them!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am just thinking, we are a nation that complains when we get a cold meal, a TV prgram cancelled, an old newspaper, or an immigrant/refugee living next door to us.

We have good health, food and jobs, Ok so life is hard but take a look at a typical day in Syria No free speech and people getting moved en masse.

How pathetic we are as a nation!

So you do not want to protect the freedom that we have because others fought in two (or more) wars and stop these bastards?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Diamond Joe i suggest you move to syria and do not live in fear, dont let them hold you down.

so there will be suicide bombings everyday, beheadings on the street, but we will be pacifist like jeremy corbyn with privacy and a bit of tree hugging xxxx

Is that your conside_ed opinion or have you been scaring yourself witless with the Daily Fail again?

Please go back a few posts and read some random thoughts I put together about how to realistically deal with the threat of so-called Islamic State.

Fear is not the answer.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

Could this lead to more threat against UK from ISIS?"

I would certainly think so.

Would 'more' threat constitute a significant difference from the current that would prevent us from bombing? I don't know.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Bomb 'em.

Bomb some sense in to 'em!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you liberate a people from an oppressor, you hand to help them set up their own country the way they want it. Not impose your own ideas on them.

It is very interesting to note that massive investment in both Japan & W Germany after WWII produced two of the most successful new democracies on the planet.

If you bomb a state to fuck, leave it alone and then expect democracy to flower you end up with things like Libya. "

The world is a much different place than it was in 1945

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

If you liberate a people from an oppressor, you hand to help them set up their own country the way they want it. Not impose your own ideas on them.

It is very interesting to note that massive investment in both Japan & W Germany after WWII produced two of the most successful new democracies on the planet.

If you bomb a state to fuck, leave it alone and then expect democracy to flower you end up with things like Libya.

The world is a much different place than it was in 1945

Yes, the 'West' isn't in competition with the Eastern bloc for rebuilding a shatte_ed continent.

Shame really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you liberate a people from an oppressor, you hand to help them set up their own country the way they want it. Not impose your own ideas on them.

It is very interesting to note that massive investment in both Japan & W Germany after WWII produced two of the most successful new democracies on the planet.

If you bomb a state to fuck, leave it alone and then expect democracy to flower you end up with things like Libya.

The world is a much different place than it was in 1945

Yes, the 'West' isn't in competition with the Eastern bloc for rebuilding a shatte_ed continent.

Shame really. "

Ooh, how very "conspiracy theory" of you! Next you'll be claiming there were no WMD' s in Iraq

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

The 'BOMB THEM NOW' position is of course one that appeals to people who are sca_ed and fearful.

If you are sca_ed, you are more likely to believe that terrorism poses a personal risk to you, rather than a statistically improbable one, and you are likely to want someone to strike out at someone on your behalf. Doesn't really matter who of course, just someone. It will make you feel strong powerful by association, rather than weak and powerless.

Politicians find it easy to lead fearful people, they just start throwing around dog whistle words like 'Churchill spirit' and the fearful will lick their hands. They will roll over and give up their personal liberties because they don't understand their true worth.

The bravest people in our society are those willing to stand up against pointless military action with a cool head. The people brave enough to try and preserve our liberty and freedom, rather than hand it over to the authorities out of baseless fear, are the ones who see bombing for the ineffective show of impotent strength it is.

We can only hope people learn to become more brave.

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By *atcoupleCouple
over a year ago

Suffolk - East Anglia

"Diamond Joe i suggest you move to syria and do not live in fear, dont let them hold you down.

so there will be suicide bombings everyday, beheadings on the street, but we will be pacifist like jeremy corbyn with privacy and a bit of tree hugging xxxx

Right on !!! Well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah let them back in so they can do a Paris type attack on us !!!! Well done mr Cameron

Don't worry they're having to attend classes to teach them how wrong terrorism is.

See don't you feel safer now"

Thank you I do

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

We cant even seem to all agree on what to call the bad guys lol

ISIL

ISIS

DAESH

????

A good place to start might be agreeing with your allies about who your enemy is and agree on what you are going to call them.

It may seem an irrelevant point but really joined up efforts require joined up and aligned thinking.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"We cant even seem to all agree on what to call the bad guys lol

ISIL

ISIS

DAESH

????

A good place to start might be agreeing with your allies about who your enemy is and agree on what you are going to call them.

It may seem an irrelevant point but really joined up efforts require joined up and aligned thinking."

Ah, but the burning question is "what colour should this 8-sided wheel be painted?"

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

A quote from Edward R Murrow that seems apt in these crazy times:

"No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Few points from what I read so far ..firstly it wasn't immigrants who bomb France they were European citizens so fearing some immigrants is comédie over and bomb you is silly secondly Their and groups in the world mlwho are much more dangerous than isis they have been beheading people and bombing politicians even before isis was created we call them the Colombian cartel and lastly the likelihood of you personally getting attacked by isis in UK soil slim next to none I see no need to worry

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Diamond Joe i suggest you move to syria and do not live in fear, dont let them hold you down.

so there will be suicide bombings everyday, beheadings on the street, but we will be pacifist like jeremy corbyn with privacy and a bit of tree hugging xxxx

Right on !!! Well said "

Well said?

its drivel of the highest order, it has no relevance other than to rant bollocks..

regardless of ones position, be that liberal, leftie, bhuddism, pacifist or even jedi on this site no one has yet advocated that any of the above may or should be a possibility..

that you agree with it is a bit puzzling..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If we weren't in conflict with these terrorists how would we justify the increase in the defence budget? More "searching for Russian subs"? Please! Get a grip! Being in conflict with a group rather than a state is frickin ace!

do what you like to them safe in the knowledge you'll never have to sit next to them at a UN meeting...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ref the OP yeah probably. Bomb them back to the stoneage. Seriously, without social media they are nothing.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Bombing the Middle East hasn't achieved a great deal so far.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Could this lead to more threat against UK from ISIS?"

i would imagine we are pretty much on their 'to do' list so no i don't think any actual jets engaging ground targets in Syria will make a difference given we are already using drones there anyway..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hate to point it out but we have been bombing Syria for weeks now!!!!!

so really its nothing new its just upping the anti a bit.

Makes no odds bombing Syria I don't think, Its been made perfectly clear that isis/is extremists have travelled along with genuine refugees across Europe.

As its been made perfectly clear there are cells of extremists here in the uk and Europe already.

Perhaps its time to close our borders to stop the possibility of more coming into the uk, and also monitor any activity of those they suspect maybe round them all up to prevent them from planning more terrorist attacks.

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By *argaret JamesTV/TS
over a year ago

Bromsgrove

"Obviously it will.

More bombing in Syria=more innocents killed, more people radicalised and more people willing to get revenge through terrorism against the UK and others involved in the region.

Of course, that is exactly what ISIS wants, so people who support bombing in Syria are

people who support ISIS."

What a load of bollocks

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Hate to point it out but we have been bombing Syria for weeks now!!!!!

so really its nothing new its just upping the anti a bit.

Makes no odds bombing Syria I don't think, Its been made perfectly clear that isis/is extremists have travelled along with genuine refugees across Europe.

As its been made perfectly clear there are cells of extremists here in the uk and Europe already.

Good idea! While they are at it, they should also round up everyone in the UK, and all crime would drop to zero.

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By *edMan
over a year ago

cambridgeshire

I do think ISIS are scum and need removal.

I don't consider them Muslims.

I disassociate myself from any kind of religious hat_ed or racism.

Not in my name.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Obviously it will.

More bombing in Syria=more innocents killed, more people radicalised and more people willing to get revenge through terrorism against the UK and others involved in the region.

Of course, that is exactly what ISIS wants, so people who support bombing in Syria are

people who support ISIS.

What a load of bollocks"

words of

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Hate to point it out but we have been bombing Syria for weeks now!!!!!

so really its nothing new its just upping the anti a bit.

Makes no odds bombing Syria I don't think, Its been made perfectly clear that isis/is extremists have travelled along with genuine refugees across Europe.

As its been made perfectly clear there are cells of extremists here in the uk and Europe already.

"
Good point and I didn't know we have done it for weeks, maibe he means to up the intensity?

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By *ingersoloWoman
over a year ago

Oldham

I don't like d/c but from what I saw he mainly said we would mostly support France in their campaign, including refueling the aeroplanes. But also that we will be conducting peace negotiations in syria.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just let the french foreign legion sort them out...

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Hate to point it out but we have been bombing Syria for weeks now!!!!!

so really its nothing new its just upping the anti a bit.

Makes no odds bombing Syria I don't think, Its been made perfectly clear that isis/is extremists have travelled along with genuine refugees across Europe.

As its been made perfectly clear there are cells of extremists here in the uk and Europe already.

Good point and I didn't know we have done it for weeks, maibe he means to up the intensity?"

I'm sure it's unintentional, OP, but you don't half have a habit of prompting fractious, vicious and hate-filled threads.

I think Big Brother, the gym and sweeties work better for you.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"After 10 days ago in france, UK will join forces Cameron said today, do you think this is the right thing and would it be the wrong move?

Could this lead to more threat against UK from ISIS?"

It almost definitely will but then so did declaring war on Germany in 1914 for you invading Belgium and 1939 for invading Poland. The question is not whether it will increase the risk of attacks on Britain but whether it's right, whether it's the right thing to do and whether it will eventually solve the problem.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Even if Britain didn't join in bombing the cunts they will still attack the U.K

The people who want to put your head in the sand and pretend it's not happening okay.

To them you aren't a muslim, you are a non believer in a rich country. You are everything they hate, so you can give them flowers and sweets, they will still attack you cause they hate you.

ISIS is like a bacterial infection, pretend it not there it will spread and eventually kill you, so you have to kill the infection first

If someone is getting attacked on the street, do you pretend you haven't seen it and carry on walking or do you help, even by just calling the police.

FEAR!!!

The point is simple:

Terrorists cannot kill us all. The greater threat to our way of life comes not from jihadi fucks but how we respond to them.

We will trade liberty for 'security' and get neither, if we're not careful at this precise moment.

Do not live in fear. "

I am not at all afraid that they might kill you

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"After 10 days ago in france, UK will join forces Cameron said today, do you think this is the right thing and would it be the wrong move?

Could this lead to more threat against UK from ISIS?

To which the answers are no, no and no.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Obviously it will.

More bombing in Syria=more innocents killed, more people radicalised and more people willing to get revenge through terrorism against the UK and others involved in the region.

Of course, that is exactly what ISIS wants, so people who support bombing in Syria are people who support ISIS."

Or they could just see things differently from you? They may, in your opinion, be wrong but that's not the same thing as supporting ISIS.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"Diamond Joe i suggest you move to syria and do not live in fear, dont let them hold you down.

so there will be suicide bombings everyday, beheadings on the street, but we will be pacifist like jeremy corbyn with privacy and a bit of tree hugging xxxx

"
. Excellent post. Whilst bombing might not be the ideal solution at least it might put fear into them..Hopefully the various security organisations can take out the various ring leaders by any means necessary .

Those who wish to talk do not live in the real world or have never had to fight terrorism themselves .

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

It's interesting to note that the people who accuse others of not living in 'the real world' rarely seem able to demonstrate any familiarity with it themselves.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"Hate to point it out but we have been bombing Syria for weeks now!!!!!

so really its nothing new its just upping the anti a bit.

Makes no odds bombing Syria I don't think, Its been made perfectly clear that isis/is extremists have travelled along with genuine refugees across Europe.

As its been made perfectly clear there are cells of extremists here in the uk and Europe already.

"
. Those were my thoughts as well. At least by closing the borders we would be taking steps to protect ourselves creating jobs and paying out less on welfare benefits to asylum seekers .

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Diamond Joe i suggest you move to syria and do not live in fear, dont let them hold you down.

so there will be suicide bombings everyday, beheadings on the street, but we will be pacifist like jeremy corbyn with privacy and a bit of tree hugging xxxx

. Excellent post. Whilst bombing might not be the ideal solution at least it might put fear into them..Hopefully the various security organisations can take out the various ring leaders by any means necessary .

Those who wish to talk do not live in the real world or have never had to fight terrorism themselves . "

so are you saying that negotiation (where possible and not at present with the IS) is not a solution we should explore to end conflict..?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

Easier said than done of course - but pandering to them and allowing them to influence as we have must stop .

Was this the same survey that was reported in the Sun? If so I think you'll find that the results of the actual survey were not quite what was reported in the paper.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

I wonder whether some or all of those who were killed in France would still be alive if the raids were carried out earlier

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

For the record, the US have been flying two bombing sorties against ISIS positions every hour for the last 450 days.

That's what's happening in 'the real world', and it doesn't seem to be putting much fear into them.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"I wonder whether some or all of those who were killed in France would still be alive if the raids were carried out earlier"

Maybe, if the US had been bombing Belgium.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"I think they need to hold some kind of voting first for the population to decide as it affects us as every action has consequences of joining the battle."

We elect our MPs to represent us and vote on such things on our behalf.

Personally I think a vote by the public would be more emotional than based on military intelligence etc. And I'd prefer to let them work out what is best to do.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Hmmm.

Daily Mail readers are out in force today, I see.

Arm-chair generallery at its finest

I don't think that's the problem in this case. There is an argument to be made for bombing. If the only arguments being put up against it is that the Daily Mail supports it (and I'm not sure it does) or that we should not do it out of fear of potential reprisals from ISIS itself then I'm pretty sure the bombing will be starting soon.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"I wonder whether some or all of those who were killed in France would still be alive if the raids were carried out earlier

Maybe, if the US had been bombing Belgium.

Don't need bombs; just a dozen or so bullets aimed at a dozen or so heads. No need to fire 5000 rounds; that is just a waste of money

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"Diamond Joe i suggest you move to syria and do not live in fear, dont let them hold you down.

so there will be suicide bombings everyday, beheadings on the street, but we will be pacifist like jeremy corbyn with privacy and a bit of tree hugging xxxx

Those who wish to talk do not live in the real world or have never had to fight terrorism themselves .

so are you saying that negotiation (where possible and not at present with the IS) is not a solution we should explore to end conflict..?"
. By all means talk yes , but you will need to show that you have strenght and fire power which you are prepa_ed to use .

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

He tried to do this how many years ago but labour blocked it.

Also no they haven't seen thousands of imigrants flood in. They've seen a few hund_ed at most.

But thsouands of attempts have been stopped.

How exactly do you expect him to stop it blow up the channel tunnel?"

I wonder if ISIS have thought of that?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"I wonder whether some or all of those who were killed in France would still be alive if the raids were carried out earlier

Maybe, if the US had been bombing Belgium.

Don't need bombs; just a dozen or so bullets aimed at a dozen or so heads. No need to fire 5000 rounds; that is just a waste of money"

I guess that's where they run in to the thorny issue of identifying the heads, pinpointing the locations of those heads, and then being able to read their thoughts in such a way that would be admissible as evidence in a court of law, before blowing them off the relevant shoulders.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

something has to be done we carnt just let the terrorists go on killing innocent people

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Diamond Joe i suggest you move to syria and do not live in fear, dont let them hold you down.

so there will be suicide bombings everyday, beheadings on the street, but we will be pacifist like jeremy corbyn with privacy and a bit of tree hugging xxxx

Those who wish to talk do not live in the real world or have never had to fight terrorism themselves .

so are you saying that negotiation (where possible and not at present with the IS) is not a solution we should explore to end conflict..?. By all means talk yes , but you will need to show that you have strenght and fire power which you are prepa_ed to use . "

i tend to agree that at present with the IS that there can sadly only be one solution and that is to meet fire with fire, they are not open to dialogue, their aims are too extreme to be contemplated and allowed to develop and like a rabid dog thy need to be culled..

i would always jaw, jaw rather than war, war but it aint going to happen with this lot..

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Diamond Joe i suggest you move to syria and do not live in fear, dont let them hold you down.

so there will be suicide bombings everyday, beheadings on the street, but we will be pacifist like jeremy corbyn with privacy and a bit of tree hugging xxxx

Those who wish to talk do not live in the real world or have never had to fight terrorism themselves .

Good point. ISIS may have missed the last fourteen years of military decimation that the region has suffe_ed at the hands of the West.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"After 10 days ago in france, UK will join forces Cameron said today, do you think this is the right thing and would it be the wrong move?

Could this lead to more threat against UK from ISIS?"

I am ok with bombing I would think it's a fucking disgrace If ground troops were sent

Enough honest hard working soldiers have died trying to make the Middle East safe

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

One of the main reasons why the Paris concert became a target was because it represented the decadence of Western youth.

Where and how do you begin to deal with a 'state' that envisages and desires world domination?

Well it's not like we haven't seen that before is it? 1939-45

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"I wonder whether some or all of those who were killed in France would still be alive if the raids were carried out earlier

Maybe, if the US had been bombing Belgium.

Don't need bombs; just a dozen or so bullets aimed at a dozen or so heads. No need to fire 5000 rounds; that is just a waste of money

They were identified well enough last week; even saved on one bullet when a female terrorist did us all a favour and blew herself up. Pity that she didn't do exactly that before a 100+ innocent people were gunned down

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"FEAR!!!

The point is simple:

Terrorists cannot kill us all. The greater threat to our way of life comes not from jihadi fucks but how we respond to them.

We will trade liberty for 'security' and get neither, if we're not careful at this precise moment.

Do not live in fear. "

Exactly

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

One of the main reasons why the Paris concert became a target was because it represented the decadence of Western youth.

Where and how do you begin to deal with a 'state' that envisages and desires world domination?

So-called Islamic State is a medieval death cult.

There is no way they will ever achieve world domination.

I agree, but that wasn't the question

The question is how do you deal with an organisation that believes that, and is killing people on a daily basis

Several things:

IS/ISIS/ISIL/whatever we're calling it this week is inherently unstable. It will eventually implode... It is however, highly dangerous and impossible to open a dialogue with.

So:

2/ strangle their finances - through oil smuggling

3/ pour resources in to the refugee crisis/camps in neighbouring countries

4/ Someone's gonna have to put troops on the ground - be that the US, Russia, Turkey, Saudi or some combination. Air power alone cannot win without men on the ground.

And then thought needs to put into a post-ISIS world - what are we gonna do with this benighted part of the world?"

reluctantly!!

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"After 10 days ago in france, UK will join forces Cameron said today, do you think this is the right thing and would it be the wrong move?

Could this lead to more threat against UK from ISIS?

I am ok with bombing I would think it's a fucking disgrace If ground troops were sent

Enough honest hard working soldiers have died trying to make the Middle East safe "

The real shame is that the Middle East was safer for everyone before a single hard working soldier of ours was killed.

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over a year ago

"I wonder whether some or all of those who were killed in France would still be alive if the raids were carried out earlier

Maybe, if the US had been bombing Belgium.

Don't need bombs; just a dozen or so bullets aimed at a dozen or so heads. No need to fire 5000 rounds; that is just a waste of money

Yeah but she took poor old Diesel with her. She (Diesel) was worth more than that savage.

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By *rai69Man
over a year ago

Braintree

"Obviously it will.

More bombing in Syria=more innocents killed, more people radicalised and more people willing to get revenge through terrorism against the UK and others involved in the region.

Of course, that is exactly what ISIS wants, so people who support bombing in

Syria are people who support ISIS."

I think bombing Syria is the right thing to be doing, we can't let ISIS build and get stronger and stronger.

I am deeply offended by the comment that anyone who supports the bombing support ISIS

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"I wonder whether some or all of those who were killed in France would still be alive if the raids were carried out earlier

Maybe, if the US had been bombing Belgium.

Don't need bombs; just a dozen or so bullets aimed at a dozen or so heads. No need to fire 5000 rounds; that is just a waste of money

Yes, that's the thing. It's always much easier to identify someone as a criminal once they've committed the crime, rather than before.

They haven't quite got the Minority Report machines up and running yet.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Even if Britain didn't join in bombing the cunts they will still attack the U.K

The people who want to put your head in the sand and pretend it's not happening okay.

To them you aren't a muslim, you are a non believer in a rich country. You are everything they hate, so you can give them flowers and sweets, they will still attack you cause they hate you.

ISIS is like a bacterial infection, pretend it not there it will spread and eventually kill you, so you have to kill the infection first

If someone is getting attacked on the street, do you pretend you haven't seen it and carry on walking or do you help, even by just calling the police.

FEAR!!!

The point is simple:

Terrorists cannot kill us all. The greater threat to our way of life comes not from jihadi fucks but how we respond to them.

We will trade liberty for 'security' and get neither, if we're not careful at this precise moment.

Do not live in fear. "

This

with absolutely no reluctance this time.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"I wonder whether some or all of those who were killed in France would still be alive if the raids were carried out earlier

Maybe, if the US had been bombing Belgium.

Don't need bombs; just a dozen or so bullets aimed at a dozen or so heads. No need to fire 5000 rounds; that is just a waste of money

Yes, that's the thing. It's always much easier to identify someone as a criminal once they've committed the crime, rather than before.

They haven't quite got the Minority Report machines up and running yet."

And when they have been identified then pussy footing around and talking about talking with them them is just plain silly

What on Earth are we going to talk with them about? The weather?

The kind of people who put another human being in a cage, douse him in an inflammable liquid, set him on fire whilst he is still alive and then make home videos about it are not the kind of people who want to talk

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Diamond Joe i suggest you move to syria and do not live in fear, dont let them hold you down.

so there will be suicide bombings everyday, beheadings on the street, but we will be pacifist like jeremy corbyn with privacy and a bit of tree hugging xxxx

I think you know that's not what he's saying. I'm not sure whether he's in favour of bombing Syria or not but his comments about not giving up our freedom for security because that normally involves the loss of both is valid. And his point, that we should not live in fear echoes my own comments about not bombing Syria because we're sca_ed of reprisals (although I think his argument was more about not bombing because we're sca_ed of them).

Let's try and stick to the arguments either in favour or against bombing and not turn this into personal attacks on the individuals putting forward their points of view.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"After 10 days ago in france, UK will join forces Cameron said today, do you think this is the right thing and would it be the wrong move?

Could this lead to more threat against UK from ISIS?

Yes it will, I am totally against war but when people have no principles and kill innocent people we should wipe them out before they kill many more people. Fuck them!"

Then don't deluded yourself, your not totally against war.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

If you liberate a people from an oppressor, you hand to help them set up their own country the way they want it. Not impose your own ideas on them.

It is very interesting to note that massive investment in both Japan & W Germany after WWII produced two of the most successful new democracies on the planet.

If you bomb a state to fuck, leave it alone and then expect democracy to flower you end up with things like Libya.

The world is a much different place than it was in 1945

You're right, it's much more like 1938

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"I wonder whether some or all of those who were killed in France would still be alive if the raids were carried out earlier

Maybe, if the US had been bombing Belgium.

Don't need bombs; just a dozen or so bullets aimed at a dozen or so heads. No need to fire 5000 rounds; that is just a waste of money

Yes, that's the thing. It's always much easier to identify someone as a criminal once they've committed the crime, rather than before.

They haven't quite got the Minority Report machines up and running yet.

And when they have been identified then pussy footing around and talking about talking with them them is just plain silly

What on Earth are we going to talk with them about? The weather?

The people who conducted the Paris attacks were French and Belgian citizens, living in Belgium and France.

As for the ISIS people who you are now talking about, unfortunately they don't know exactly who and where those people are.

They have some good guesses, but sadly even a very good guess usually means killing innocent civilians as well, and thankfully our forces still pay more than lip service to the idea that innocent lives should not be sacrificed at whim.

It would be much easier if ISIS troops sat around in tents with ISIS written on the top miles away from where the innocent civilians live, but they seem a bit reluctant to do that.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

If you liberate a people from an oppressor, you hand to help them set up their own country the way they want it. Not impose your own ideas on them.

It is very interesting to note that massive investment in both Japan & W Germany after WWII produced two of the most successful new democracies on the planet.

If you bomb a state to fuck, leave it alone and then expect democracy to flower you end up with things like Libya.

The world is a much different place than it was in 1945

You're right, it's much more like 1938"

It's not even remotely like 1938. Suggesting there is any similarity between ISIS and the Nazi led German state is ridiculous, and an insult to those who gave their lives in World War Two.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"The 'BOMB THEM NOW' position is of course one that appeals to people who are sca_ed and fearful.

We can only hope people learn to become more brave.

I agree with a lot of what you say but the fear is not the prerogative of those in favour of bombing Syria. There are also those who believe that we should not bomb Syria because they fear the possibly of ISIS directing attacks at us in reprisal.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Diamond Joe i suggest you move to syria and do not live in fear, dont let them hold you down.

so there will be suicide bombings everyday, beheadings on the street, but we will be pacifist like jeremy corbyn with privacy and a bit of tree hugging xxxx

Right on !!! Well said

Well said?

its drivel of the highest order, it has no relevance other than to rant bollocks..

regardless of ones position, be that liberal, leftie, bhuddism, pacifist or even jedi on this site no one has yet advocated that any of the above may or should be a possibility..

that you agree with it is a bit puzzling.. "

I seem to be agreeing with a lot of people I don't normally agree with today.

Well said

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"I wonder whether some or all of those who were killed in France would still be alive if the raids were carried out earlier

Maybe, if the US had been bombing Belgium.

Don't need bombs; just a dozen or so bullets aimed at a dozen or so heads. No need to fire 5000 rounds; that is just a waste of money

Yes, that's the thing. It's always much easier to identify someone as a criminal once they've committed the crime, rather than before.

They haven't quite got the Minority Report machines up and running yet.

And when they have been identified then pussy footing around and talking about talking with them them is just plain silly

What on Earth are we going to talk with them about? The weather?

The people who conducted the Paris attacks were French and Belgian citizens, living in Belgium and France.

As for the ISIS people who you are now talking about, unfortunately they don't know exactly who and where those people are.

It would be much easier if ISIS troops sat around in tents with ISIS written on the top miles away from where the innocent civilians live, but they seem a bit reluctant to do that."

It is irrelevant as to which passports these terrorists have acqui_ed. They have been identified and shot dead. New terrorists may take their place but these ones will not kill innocent people again

And in any case, some of them did travel to France along with the migrants on Syrian passports

I am not sure about bombing their tents. They are welcome to their tents in their own countries. But not doing anything to stop them from coming here or not doing anything to apprehend the ones who have been identified here, makes no sense

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"After 10 days ago in france, UK will join forces Cameron said today, do you think this is the right thing and would it be the wrong move?

Could this lead to more threat against UK from ISIS?

To which the answers are no, no and no."

I think you're being over simplistic but I'd love to hear your reasoning.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Diamond Joe i suggest you move to syria and do not live in fear, dont let them hold you down.

so there will be suicide bombings everyday, beheadings on the street, but we will be pacifist like jeremy corbyn with privacy and a bit of tree hugging xxxx

Those who wish to talk do not live in the real world or have never had to fight terrorism themselves . "

I don't think anyone is suggesting we try talking to ISIS but it might be helpful to talk to others involved especially Assad, the Russians, Saudis and Iranians.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

If you liberate a people from an oppressor, you hand to help them set up their own country the way they want it. Not impose your own ideas on them.

It is very interesting to note that massive investment in both Japan & W Germany after WWII produced two of the most successful new democracies on the planet.

If you bomb a state to fuck, leave it alone and then expect democracy to flower you end up with things like Libya.

The world is a much different place than it was in 1945

You're right, it's much more like 1938

It's not even remotely like 1938. Suggesting there is any similarity between ISIS and the Nazi led German state is ridiculous, and an insult to those who gave their lives in World War Two."

Maybe you should read up on what ISIS actually is. Whilst I agree that ISIS does not currently represent the same level of threat to either the UK or the world its stated aim is for a world Caliphate (ie a world dominated by their vision of how the world should be run). If we, or someone else, doesn't do something to stop them then they will not stop until they have achieved their primary objective. The argument that we should ignore them is simply at best putting our heads in the sand and at worst inaction brought on by fear. The question is not whether we should do something, we clearly should, but rather whether bombing is going to make thinks better. I'm still waiting to read a rational argument of a better alternative to joining our long term allies in fighting this curse.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Our involvement in bombing there will just achieve more atrocities here. We should not do it. We should work with allies such as Turkey to restrict them. There's not one single strategy that's quick.

They are an evolving diversely spread group that is fuelled by conflict and their tiny cells will each be capable of major carnage. Fanning the flames readies these splinter cells to take action. They are ok with suicide missions or plant and go and our efforts should be to stop them here and not waste our resources overseas.

And implementation of emergency legislation etc at such a time is some leaders wet dream - it should not largely be tolerated.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

Militarily and tactically, there is no need whatsoever for the UK to drop more bombs on Syria.

We could add to the fight in other ways much month effectively by for example upping the spend on electronic counter propaganda.

Bombing is just about a gesture and the relatively small number of bombs that we drop will be insignificant compa_ed to what is already going on with US, Russia, France, Jordan etc

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

If you liberate a people from an oppressor, you hand to help them set up their own country the way they want it. Not impose your own ideas on them.

It is very interesting to note that massive investment in both Japan & W Germany after WWII produced two of the most successful new democracies on the planet.

If you bomb a state to fuck, leave it alone and then expect democracy to flower you end up with things like Libya.

The world is a much different place than it was in 1945

You're right, it's much more like 1938

It's not even remotely like 1938. Suggesting there is any similarity between ISIS and the Nazi led German state is ridiculous, and an insult to those who gave their lives in World War Two.

That is a superficial similarity at best.

Comparing a tiny group of members of a fanatical death cult with no popular support to the democratically elected leadership of the mighty German state which enjoyed the popular support of it's citizens is facile.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

If you liberate a people from an oppressor, you hand to help them set up their own country the way they want it. Not impose your own ideas on them.

It is very interesting to note that massive investment in both Japan & W Germany after WWII produced two of the most successful new democracies on the planet.

If you bomb a state to fuck, leave it alone and then expect democracy to flower you end up with things like Libya.

The world is a much different place than it was in 1945

You're right, it's much more like 1938

It's not even remotely like 1938. Suggesting there is any similarity between ISIS and the Nazi led German state is ridiculous, and an insult to those who gave their lives in World War Two.

That is a superficial similarity at best.

The 'popular support' was not all that popular amonst the German populace; certainly not popular at all amongst those who were made to kneel in the village square and shot in the back of the head by the Nazis as punishment for giving food and shelter to help a couple of Jews here and there to escape over the Dutch border

If this death cult is such a tiny group then how come they are holding towns and cities in the middle-east hostage

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady

"The 'BOMB THEM NOW' position is of course one that appeals to people who are sca_ed and fearful.

We can only hope people learn to become more brave.

Your wrong in believing that people want to bomb ISIS because THEY feel threatened by them. They know ISIS needs bombed because EVERYONE is threatened by them.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

The people who conducted the Paris attacks were French and Belgian citizens, living in Belgium and France.

Some of whom had been to Syria and slipped back into Europe posing as refugees. The various authorities in Europe have released the names and all the details about this. Which cave have you been living in for the last week not to know about this?

Ahmed Almuhamed was rescued from a sinking boat full of refugees and migrants in the Mediterranean Sea earlier this year along with his family member Mohammed Almuhamed and they were then taken to the Greek Isle of Leros. The Greek authorities produced tickets which proved they then boarded a ferry to the Greek mainland destination Piraeus. From there they hid amongst the refugees and travelled along the refugee migrant routes through borderles Europe into France where they committed the attacks in Paris. The ringleader Abdelhamid Abaaoud was also known to be in Syria earlier in the year (there are plenty of isis videos of him which prove this) but he somehow managed to get back into Europe undetected (again crazy border free EU Policy at work there undoubtedly helped him) where he was killed in the gunfight in the terror raid where the female suicide bomber blew herself up.

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over a year ago

Hope they nuke the little rats in Syria an Iraq kids or not there all just guna turn out like the rest so get rid before it gets to that point

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

If you liberate a people from an oppressor, you hand to help them set up their own country the way they want it. Not impose your own ideas on them.

It is very interesting to note that massive investment in both Japan & W Germany after WWII produced two of the most successful new democracies on the planet.

If you bomb a state to fuck, leave it alone and then expect democracy to flower you end up with things like Libya.

The world is a much different place than it was in 1945

You're right, it's much more like 1938

It's not even remotely like 1938. Suggesting there is any similarity between ISIS and the Nazi led German state is ridiculous, and an insult to those who gave their lives in World War Two.

That is a superficial similarity at best.

If this death cult is such a tiny group then how come they are holding towns and cities in the middle-east hostage"

Had this exact same discussion the other day with the poster you quoted on another thread. The comparisons between isis and the nazis are shockingly similar, as unleashed craken already said isis want to establish a global caliphate and the nazis wanted to establish a global 3rd reich. ISIS think they are superior to everyone else and the nazis thought the aryan race was superior, isis want to exterminate the infidels, the nazis wanted to exterminate the Jews. They indiscriminately kill anyone who does not agree with their ideology. The comparisons are plain for all to see.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

Until the end game is sorted I don't see the point in throwing more bombs at it.

If we really want to help France then we would do better to provide logistics to the amount of bombs they are already throwing at it.

We only have a few planes anyway, this is not going to add more firepower, just move it from Iraq to Syria.

It will provide no tactical or strategic advantage, but it will make some people feel better.

I'm not anti conflict, I do believe you need to take them on, on the ground as well as online. However, with no possible chance of either Iran or Saudi backing down then clearing ISIS from Syria is going to be impossible. No sensible government will send troops in for fear of ending up in a stand up fight between the two major powers in the region.

This will stop when the Saudis and the Iranians come to some agreement and not before. ISIS are just playing merry hell in the vacuum in between.

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By *izzabelle and well hungCouple
over a year ago

Edinburgh.

"Obviously it will.

More bombing in Syria=more innocents killed, more people radicalised and more people willing to get revenge through terrorism against the UK and others involved in the region.

Of course, that is exactly what ISIS wants, so people who support bombing in Syria are people who support ISIS."

Spot on

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Obviously it will.

More bombing in Syria=more innocents killed, more people radicalised and more people willing to get revenge through terrorism against the UK and others involved in the region.

Of course, that is exactly what ISIS wants, so people who support bombing in Syria are people who support ISIS.

Spot on"

The other way around could also be true

However both such statements would be ridiculous as neither is backed by any evidence

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought we had no money funny how we can always aford a war in another country im sure all the migrants will sign up to fight

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Hope they nuke the little rats in Syria an Iraq kids or not there all just guna turn out like the rest so get rid before it gets to that point "

Yet, why not wipe out a few innocent kids to to show how much less evil we are than them. Makes perfect sense.

Who ever said we were going to stand by our values and way of life?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Cor!

I'm glad we've clea_ed this up so neatly that we can all sleep safely in our beds.

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over a year ago

"Hope they nuke the little rats in Syria an Iraq kids or not there all just guna turn out like the rest so get rid before it gets to that point

Yet, why not wipe out a few innocent kids to to show how much less evil we are than them. Makes perfect sense.

Who ever said we were going to stand by our values and way of life?"
so we can't wipe out them

But yet they can wipe out a concert full or innocent people? Nuke the fuckin lot of the little future suicide bombers b4 it's to late

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By *izzabelle and well hungCouple
over a year ago

Edinburgh.

Not short on sun readers here !

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Hope they nuke the little rats in Syria an Iraq kids or not there all just guna turn out like the rest so get rid before it gets to that point

Yet, why not wipe out a few innocent kids to to show how much less evil we are than them. Makes perfect sense.

Who ever said we were going to stand by our values and way of life? so we can't wipe out them

But yet they can wipe out a concert full or innocent people? Nuke the fuckin lot of the little future suicide bombers b4 it's to late "

Because nits grow and into lice? Right.

Unbelievable!!

Maybe we should also nuke Merseyside while we're at it in order to prevent any others there running over and killing police officers.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

I've just been out for a run and I passed some Jehovah Witnesses passing out leaflets with "What good does war do?"

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

"Hope they nuke the little rats in Syria an Iraq kids or not there all just guna turn out like the rest so get rid before it gets to that point

Yet, why not wipe out a few innocent kids to to show how much less evil we are than them. Makes perfect sense.

Who ever said we were going to stand by our values and way of life? so we can't wipe out them

But yet they can wipe out a concert full or innocent people? Nuke the fuckin lot of the little future suicide bombers b4 it's to late "

Wow really genocide is the solution? How very Mein Kampf.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

If you liberate a people from an oppressor, you hand to help them set up their own country the way they want it. Not impose your own ideas on them.

It is very interesting to note that massive investment in both Japan & W Germany after WWII produced two of the most successful new democracies on the planet.

If you bomb a state to fuck, leave it alone and then expect democracy to flower you end up with things like Libya.

The world is a much different place than it was in 1945

You're right, it's much more like 1938

It's not even remotely like 1938. Suggesting there is any similarity between ISIS and the Nazi led German state is ridiculous, and an insult to those who gave their lives in World War Two.

That is a superficial similarity at best.

If this death cult is such a tiny group then how come they are holding towns and cities in the middle-east hostage

You're right, we had the discussion before, but you don't seem to have benefitted by it. The similarities you list are superficial ones, and still seem to number precisely four, in comparison to the thousands of differences that you have to avoid to make the comparison.

However, to give you an examples of where even your own 'similarities' are wrong: the Germans in WW2 did not 'indiscriminately kill' anyone who did not agree with their ideology. There were millions of people who lived in countries controlled by the Nazis during the war who were able to live alongside then, despite clearly not supporting their aims. Thousands of prisoners of war were not executed indiscriminately, but 'respected' to varying degrees over the course of the war and released when hostilities ceased. Perhaps you could now give the other 'similarities' appropriate scrutiny?

People who talk about ISIS being 'like the Nazis' are deliberately insulting the sacrifice that millions of people made during World War 2 in the name of freedom from oppression against a global existential threat, in order to make a tiny terrorist cult seem far more dangerous than they are.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Hope they nuke the little rats in Syria an Iraq kids or not there all just guna turn out like the rest so get rid before it gets to that point

Yet, why not wipe out a few innocent kids to to show how much less evil we are than them. Makes perfect sense.

Who ever said we were going to stand by our values and way of life? so we can't wipe out them

But yet they can wipe out a concert full or innocent people? Nuke the fuckin lot of the little future suicide bombers b4 it's to late

Wow really genocide is the solution? How very Mein Kampf.

Exactly. That's where the main similarity with Nazi ideology in this situation seems to exist. Ironic that it often seems to be coming from people in the name of freedom.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

If you liberate a people from an oppressor, you hand to help them set up their own country the way they want it. Not impose your own ideas on them.

It is very interesting to note that massive investment in both Japan & W Germany after WWII produced two of the most successful new democracies on the planet.

If you bomb a state to fuck, leave it alone and then expect democracy to flower you end up with things like Libya.

The world is a much different place than it was in 1945

You're right, it's much more like 1938

It's not even remotely like 1938. Suggesting there is any similarity between ISIS and the Nazi led German state is ridiculous, and an insult to those who gave their lives in World War Two.

That is a superficial similarity at best.

If this death cult is such a tiny group then how come they are holding towns and cities in the middle-east hostage

So the Nazis were better than the 'tiny' terrorist cult?

And how 'tiny' is this terrorist cult and why are millions of Syrians fleeing from these handful of cult members? Could a thousand or two or ten not overpower this tiny-weeny cult?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

If you liberate a people from an oppressor, you hand to help them set up their own country the way they want it. Not impose your own ideas on them.

It is very interesting to note that massive investment in both Japan & W Germany after WWII produced two of the most successful new democracies on the planet.

If you bomb a state to fuck, leave it alone and then expect democracy to flower you end up with things like Libya.

The world is a much different place than it was in 1945

You're right, it's much more like 1938

It's not even remotely like 1938. Suggesting there is any similarity between ISIS and the Nazi led German state is ridiculous, and an insult to those who gave their lives in World War Two.

That is a superficial similarity at best.

If this death cult is such a tiny group then how come they are holding towns and cities in the middle-east hostage

So the Nazis were better than the 'tiny' terrorist cult?

And how 'tiny' is this terrorist cult and why are millions of Syrians fleeing from these handful of cult members? Could a thousand or two or ten not overpower this tiny-weeny cult?"

The size of ISIS is estimated at numbe_ed anywhere between 50,000 and 200,000 people. The German army in WW2 numbe_ed 18,000,000. Can you see a difference?

No more need be said on that. Really though, you might want to try addressing and defending the points where you have been proven factually wrong, before introducing more.

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over a year ago

If you liberate a people from an oppressor, you hand to help them set up their own country the way they want it. Not impose your own ideas on them.

It is very interesting to note that massive investment in both Japan & W Germany after WWII produced two of the most successful new democracies on the planet.

If you bomb a state to fuck, leave it alone and then expect democracy to flower you end up with things like Libya.

The world is a much different place than it was in 1945

You're right, it's much more like 1938

It's not even remotely like 1938. Suggesting there is any similarity between ISIS and the Nazi led German state is ridiculous, and an insult to those who gave their lives in World War Two.

That is a superficial similarity at best.

If this death cult is such a tiny group then how come they are holding towns and cities in the middle-east hostage

So the Nazis were better than the 'tiny' terrorist cult?

And how 'tiny' is this terrorist cult and why are millions of Syrians fleeing from these handful of cult members? Could a thousand or two or ten not overpower this tiny-weeny cult?

The size of ISIS is estimated at numbe_ed anywhere between 50,000 and 200,000 people. The German army in WW2 numbe_ed 18,000,000. Can you see a difference?

No more need be said on that. Really though, you might want to try addressing and defending the points where you have been proven factually wrong, before introducing more."

So far you have said people who support the bombing are in fact supporting ISIS and now labelling them Nazis is a direct slur on the sacrifice of those in WW2.

Back to earth now please . People can liken their Ideology to the Nazis because it's a very similar in terms of brutality. And in a way they go past the Nazis on sheer wanton cruelty. Remember it took the Nazi years to implement the final solution I wonder what ISIS if unchecked can come up with? Let's not forget the highly stylised executions of people burnt alive and thrown of buildings purely for their sexuality.

The Nazis were allowed to flourish unchecked because of dithering and appeasement (some would say strategic). Let's stop them now because they are not going away.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

People liken ISIS and the Nazis because they have an 'understanding' of the relative issues that is simple, and this makes it easier to portray simple solutions such as 'nuke them all' as conside_ed opinion.

There is no similarity between the two, no matter how much 'historians' would like there to be.

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over a year ago

"People liken ISIS and the Nazis because they have an 'understanding' of the relative issues that is simple, and this makes it easier to portray simple solutions such as 'nuke them all' as conside_ed opinion.

There is no similarity between the two, no matter how much 'historians' would like there to be."

In your opinion let's not forget that.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

And also in the opinion of anyone with any knowledge of history, let's not forget that either.

ISIS are exactly the same as the Nazis - if you ignore the actual facts.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

and to complicate an already complicated situation it looks like Turkey may have shot down a Russian plane..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The attackers in Paris seem to be ceneed in Brussels,so should we not be bombing ISIS in Belgium?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And also in the opinion of anyone with any knowledge of history, let's not forget that either.

ISIS are exactly the same as the Nazis - if you ignore the actual facts."

Link please?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"And also in the opinion of anyone with any knowledge of history, let's not forget that either.

ISIS are exactly the same as the Nazis - if you ignore the actual facts.

Link please? "

As you don't seem keen to read, why not watch The World at War? It's in 26 parts for easy digestion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_at_War

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

And here's a quote from respected military historian Sir Max Hastings, if you can't be bothe_ed to learn about these things for yourself:

"The good news about ISIS is that neither now nor in the imaginable future does it represent an existential threat to our society as did Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.

It can cause us grief and pain by murdering innocents, but it cannot inflict serious damage on Western societies.

We face rabbles of murderous criminals, not a coherent enemy power capable of invading us or wrecking our cities."

In his opinion, of course.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And also in the opinion of anyone with any knowledge of history, let's not forget that either.

ISIS are exactly the same as the Nazis - if you ignore the actual facts.

Link please?

As you don't seem keen to read, why not watch The World at War? It's in 26 parts for easy digestion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_at_War"

Well aware of that watched the great series Laurence Oliviere narrated it if I recall. Poor argument though.

Does not answer the question. People can make comparisons about the Nazis because in their opinion and learned people's opinions they have many similarities in terms of ideology aims and how they started. Both stem from an unhappy populace after war and then the rest is there to see.

Respect your opinion as always but going to have to agree to disagree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And here's a quote from respected military historian Sir Max Hastings, if you can't be bothe_ed to learn about these things for yourself:

"The good news about ISIS is that neither now nor in the imaginable future does it represent an existential threat to our society as did Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.

It can cause us grief and pain by murdering innocents, but it cannot inflict serious damage on Western societies.

We face rabbles of murderous criminals, not a coherent enemy power capable of invading us or wrecking our cities."

In his opinion, of course.

A simple Google search throws up similar of the opposite viewpoint. Luckily the worlds going the other way to you.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

No. People only think they have similar aims and ideologies if they know very little about ISIS, Germany and the Second World War, or both.

No-one with sufficient knowledge seriously conflates them. On the other hand, politicians who want to lead the thoughtless public by the nose regularly do.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"And here's a quote from respected military historian Sir Max Hastings, if you can't be bothe_ed to learn about these things for yourself:

"The good news about ISIS is that neither now nor in the imaginable future does it represent an existential threat to our society as did Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.

It can cause us grief and pain by murdering innocents, but it cannot inflict serious damage on Western societies.

We face rabbles of murderous criminals, not a coherent enemy power capable of invading us or wrecking our cities."

In his opinion, of course.

A simple Google search throws up similar of the opposite viewpoint. Luckily the worlds going the other way to you. "

Yep. That's the thoughtless public in action.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"And also in the opinion of anyone with any knowledge of history, let's not forget that either.

ISIS are exactly the same as the Nazis - if you ignore the actual facts.

Link please?

As you don't seem keen to read, why not watch The World at War? It's in 26 parts for easy digestion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_at_War

Well aware of that watched the great series Laurence Oliviere narrated it if I recall. Poor argument though.

Respect your opinion as always but going to have to agree to disagree. "

the cloud cuckoos are out in force on this thread then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No. People only think they have similar aims and ideologies if they know very little about ISIS, Germany and the Second World War, or both.

No-one with sufficient knowledge seriously conflates them. On the other hand, politicians who want to lead the thoughtless public by the nose regularly do."

You don't speak for my part of the world and we are happy to compare them to the Nazis. You are tunnel visioned with how it's related to the West. Come out wide rather being so narrow.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Here's what Major General Michael K. Nagata, commander of American Special Operations forces in the Middle East said about ISIS at the end of last year:

“We do not understand the movement, and until we do, we are not going to defeat it,” he said, according to the confidential minutes of a conference call he held with the experts. “We have not defeated the idea. We do not even understand the idea.”

He should come and read the Fab forums for ten minutes, it seems all the experts in ISIS ideology hang out here.

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over a year ago

"Here's what Major General Michael K. Nagata, commander of American Special Operations forces in the Middle East said about ISIS at the end of last year:

He should come and read the Fab forums for ten minutes, it seems all the experts in ISIS ideology hang out here."

Supercilious I like it. However you have commented on the exact same thing from a different viewpoint so it could be said that you think your an expert too.

I will pass on your details if you like?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Here's what Major General Michael K. Nagata, commander of American Special Operations forces in the Middle East said about ISIS at the end of last year:

He should come and read the Fab forums for ten minutes, it seems all the experts in ISIS ideology hang out here.

Supercilious I like it. However you have commented on the exact same thing from a different viewpoint so it could be said that you think your an expert too.

I will pass on your details if you like? "

The experts seem to share the same opinion as I do, so I doubt they need my input.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ISRAEL SS..

BILDERBERG SS. THINK TANK.

KNIGHTS OF MALTA

NAZIS NEVER DIED TRUTH IS ITS ALL A LIE

FALSE FLAGS..

FALSE IDENTITIES.

THEY ARE JESUITS.. FOLLOWERS OF LUCIFER.

NATO RECRUITS

BILDERBERG.. Mission to secure ONE WORLD GOVERNMENTpi

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here's what Major General Michael K. Nagata, commander of American Special Operations forces in the Middle East said about ISIS at the end of last year:

He should come and read the Fab forums for ten minutes, it seems all the experts in ISIS ideology hang out here.

Supercilious I like it. However you have commented on the exact same thing from a different viewpoint so it could be said that you think your an expert too.

I will pass on your details if you like?

The experts seem to share the same opinion as I do, so I doubt they need my input."

Some experts. Remeber others have recommend escalation (which is happening) but they must be the thoughtless ones.

I need to go make some trades now and make some clients happy. Honeywell along with Leidos and Booze Allen are looking good this morning. Enjoy your day

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over a year ago

"ISRAEL SS..

BILDERBERG SS. THINK TANK.

KNIGHTS OF MALTA

NAZIS NEVER DIED TRUTH IS ITS ALL A LIE

FALSE FLAGS..

FALSE IDENTITIES.

THEY ARE JESUITS.. FOLLOWERS OF LUCIFER.

NATO RECRUITS

BILDERBERG.. Mission to secure ONE WORLD GOVERNMENTpi"

You forget the Masons.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

It seems the most vociferous public figure who is on record comparing ISIS to the Nazis is none other than renowned 'thinker', Australian prime minister, Tony Abbott.

Tony Abbott.

Nothing else need be said.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yeah yeah like the Germans in 193x except not elected and not a actally a country etc. etc.

but i need to sort my shares portfolio, so are we bombing Belgium or not?

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"You don't speak for my part of the world and we are happy to compare them to the Nazis."

milton keynes .... the globally renowned hot-bed of research lead critical thinking ... wow they really leave oxbridge and the ivy league in the shade don't they

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For anyone interested in trying to understand what ISIS is about, I would recommend reading the excellent article on the subject by Graeme Wood in The Atlantic magazine:

Google 'The Atlantic - What ISIS Really Wants'

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