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"Corbyn's a nice chap. " Possibly. Ken ain't though | |||
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"Corbyn's a nice chap. Possibly. Ken ain't though " Politics is full of cunts and pigs. | |||
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" Politics is full of cunts. " ^THIS^ The End | |||
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"Corbyn's a nice chap. Possibly. Ken ain't though Politics is full of cunts and pigs. " Agreed. Stigmatising people with mental health problems is shitty. | |||
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" Ken Livingstone was yesterday forced to apologise after urging a shadow minister with depression to seek psychiatric help. Jeremy Corbyn urged Mr Livingstone to apologise , the former London Mayor called frontbencher Kevan Jones "disturbed" for raising questions about the party's credibility on nuclear defence. "I think he might need some psychiatric help. He's obviously very depressed and disturbed," Mr Livingstone said. "He should pop off and see his GP before he makes these offensive comments." Livingstone first refused to apologise but reluctantly relented when Corbyn insisted. He's a bit of a cunt ain't he " Another one who thinks it's cool to make friends with terrorists, sorry freedom fighters | |||
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" Ken Livingstone was yesterday forced to apologise after urging a shadow minister with depression to seek psychiatric help. Jeremy Corbyn urged Mr Livingstone to apologise , the former London Mayor called frontbencher Kevan Jones "disturbed" for raising questions about the party's credibility on nuclear defence. "I think he might need some psychiatric help. He's obviously very depressed and disturbed," Mr Livingstone said. "He should pop off and see his GP before he makes these offensive comments." Livingstone first refused to apologise but reluctantly relented when Corbyn insisted. He's a bit of a cunt ain't he " The interview with Ken Livingston that was broadcast on LBC news was cringe worthy. He refused to apologise off his own bat then an hour later put a full public apology on twitter because Corbyn told him to. 
To hurl insults about mental health issues aimed at someone suffering with his mental health tells you all you need to know about Ken.....and this is the 'new nicer politics' from the Labour party apparently? | |||
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"Corbyn's a nice chap. " really? you think so?  | |||
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"Corbyn's a nice chap. Possibly. Ken ain't though Politics is full of cunts and pigs. Agreed. Stigmatising people with mental health problems is shitty." he has form, he could have thrown him down the stairs | |||
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"Are we not allowed to make a comment about someone, until we have researched their entire health record, in case we offend them? That's just mental." Judgemental? yeah! | |||
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"Are we not allowed to make a comment about someone, until we have researched their entire health record, in case we offend them? That's just mental." The chap who was called the name bravely stood up in Parliment and described his struggles not so long ago so it was common knowledge. So in this context Livingstone was having a personal dig. | |||
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"im offended im sorry you ofended me im sorry thats offensive sorry i hope i haven't depressed you im sorry zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" | |||
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"Are we not allowed to make a comment about someone, until we have researched their entire health record, in case we offend them? That's just mental." No research was needed in this case. The man the Jibes were aimed stood up in parliament and declared he suffered from mental health issues not long ago. Livingstone was just being a cunt. | |||
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"People have to accept that certain phrases/insults are not commonplace and not deliberately aimed at someone because of their real issues that are more than likely not known to the person using them. Can we please have a definitive list of what is and is not acceptable? So I can ignore it." My list would start with. If you know someone suffers with mental health issues if they should happen to disagree with don't say you are obviously depressed go and seek phsichiactric help. | |||
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"But Livingstone wasn't in parliament to hear it was he? Why on earth would he be aware of an issue that, really, has got nothing to do with him. This pisses me off. I might have a fit. But I can say that as I have epilepsy. So ner ner ner ner ner. "It was well publicised. He is a colleague. Livingstone mentioned the particular illness the man was suffering from. | |||
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"But Livingstone wasn't in parliament to hear it was he? Why on earth would he be aware of an issue that, really, has got nothing to do with him. This pisses me off. I might have a fit. But I can say that as I have epilepsy. So ner ner ner ner ner.
It was well publicised. He is a colleague.
Livingstone mentioned the particular illness the man was suffering from. "Well publicised??? Were you aware of it, before this happened? Most people haven't even heard of him, never mind his mental health status. What might have been announced "recently" is fish and chip wrappers now. Its hardly likely to be in peoples forethought is it? | |||
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"But Livingstone wasn't in parliament to hear it was he? Why on earth would he be aware of an issue that, really, has got nothing to do with him. " He should have been aware because he is a professional politician..... | |||
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"Unfortunate choice of words....... but they'll both get over it....... It's not like either mans opinions influence the thoughts of rationally thinking members of public of any age or demographic ..... Ken been foolish and the other guy has milked an opportunity in a rather unpleasantly contrived manner,,,,, I would all them a pair of knobs but I'm rather partial too knob.... "*call them......  | |||
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"But Livingstone wasn't in parliament to hear it was he? Why on earth would he be aware of an issue that, really, has got nothing to do with him. He should have been aware because he is a professional politician....." Are you aware of the health issues of every person in your place of work? It's not important enough to actually remember! | |||
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"Slip of the tongue. Nothing intentional. Fuss about nothing. Move on. " | |||
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"Slip of the tongue. Nothing intentional. Fuss about nothing. Move on. " It was hardly a slip of the tongue, it was a personal attack. | |||
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"But Livingstone wasn't in parliament to hear it was he? Why on earth would he be aware of an issue that, really, has got nothing to do with him. This pisses me off. I might have a fit. But I can say that as I have epilepsy. So ner ner ner ner ner.
It was well publicised. He is a colleague.
Livingstone mentioned the particular illness the man was suffering from.
Well publicised??? Were you aware of it, before this happened? Most people haven't even heard of him, never mind his mental health status. What might have been announced "recently" is fish and chip wrappers now. Its hardly likely to be in peoples forethought is it?"Livingstone made particular reference to this mans illness , he knew what he was doing. | |||
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"Slip of the tongue. Nothing intentional. Fuss about nothing. Move on. It was hardly a slip of the tongue, it was a personal attack. " Fully agree guys , to make a public personal jibe at someone in such a way is a disgrace  | |||
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"But Livingstone wasn't in parliament to hear it was he? Why on earth would he be aware of an issue that, really, has got nothing to do with him. He should have been aware because he is a professional politician..... Are you aware of the health issues of every person in your place of work? It's not important enough to actually remember!" If someone stood up in your office and bravely stated they suffered from a mental illness I'm positive you would remember it. | |||
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"I like the cunt word today in this context "yes - its fitting | |||
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"But Livingstone wasn't in parliament to hear it was he? Why on earth would he be aware of an issue that, really, has got nothing to do with him. This pisses me off. I might have a fit. But I can say that as I have epilepsy. So ner ner ner ner ner.
It was well publicised. He is a colleague.
Livingstone mentioned the particular illness the man was suffering from.
Well publicised??? Were you aware of it, before this happened? Most people haven't even heard of him, never mind his mental health status. What might have been announced "recently" is fish and chip wrappers now. Its hardly likely to be in peoples forethought is it?
Livingstone made particular reference to this mans illness , he knew what he was doing. "It was a comment that could have been aimed at anyone. It's fairly common to call into question someone's sanity, as a joke, when they hold views you find odd or nonsensical. You don't know that he knew exactly what he was doing, when he made that comment. Your assuming he did, because it suits your view of the man. | |||
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"But Livingstone wasn't in parliament to hear it was he? Why on earth would he be aware of an issue that, really, has got nothing to do with him. This pisses me off. I might have a fit. But I can say that as I have epilepsy. So ner ner ner ner ner.
It was well publicised. He is a colleague.
Livingstone mentioned the particular illness the man was suffering from.
Well publicised??? Were you aware of it, before this happened? Most people haven't even heard of him, never mind his mental health status. What might have been announced "recently" is fish and chip wrappers now. Its hardly likely to be in peoples forethought is it?
Livingstone made particular reference to this mans illness , he knew what he was doing.
It was a comment that could have been aimed at anyone. It's fairly common to call into question someone's sanity, as a joke, when they hold views you find odd or nonsensical. You don't know that he knew exactly what he was doing, when he made that comment. Your assuming he did, because it suits your view of the man."You are making assumptions about my view on Ken by your view on me. You have no idea of my views on him. If you read what Ken said it is obvious it was a personal attack on this mans battle with depression. | |||
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"But Livingstone wasn't in parliament to hear it was he? Why on earth would he be aware of an issue that, really, has got nothing to do with him. This pisses me off. I might have a fit. But I can say that as I have epilepsy. So ner ner ner ner ner.
It was well publicised. He is a colleague.
Livingstone mentioned the particular illness the man was suffering from.
Well publicised??? Were you aware of it, before this happened? Most people haven't even heard of him, never mind his mental health status. What might have been announced "recently" is fish and chip wrappers now. Its hardly likely to be in peoples forethought is it?
Livingstone made particular reference to this mans illness , he knew what he was doing.
It was a comment that could have been aimed at anyone. It's fairly common to call into question someone's sanity, as a joke, when they hold views you find odd or nonsensical. You don't know that he knew exactly what he was doing, when he made that comment. Your assuming he did, because it suits your view of the man.
You are making assumptions about my view on Ken by your view on me.
You have no idea of my views on him.
If you read what Ken said it is obvious it was a personal attack on this mans battle with depression.
"No! It isn't obvious at all! As I said, you could use the phrase about anyone. It's just unfortunate he used it about him. Had he been aware of the man's issues, I think it's "obvious" he wouldn't have said it. Livingstone isn't stupid. He knows not to knowingly insult someone's real problems. You are presuming he was aware. But livingstone is just a convenient man to hate, its water offa ducks back to him. | |||
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"But Livingstone wasn't in parliament to hear it was he? Why on earth would he be aware of an issue that, really, has got nothing to do with him. This pisses me off. I might have a fit. But I can say that as I have epilepsy. So ner ner ner ner ner.
It was well publicised. He is a colleague.
Livingstone mentioned the particular illness the man was suffering from.
Well publicised??? Were you aware of it, before this happened? Most people haven't even heard of him, never mind his mental health status. What might have been announced "recently" is fish and chip wrappers now. Its hardly likely to be in peoples forethought is it?
Livingstone made particular reference to this mans illness , he knew what he was doing.
It was a comment that could have been aimed at anyone. It's fairly common to call into question someone's sanity, as a joke, when they hold views you find odd or nonsensical. You don't know that he knew exactly what he was doing, when he made that comment. Your assuming he did, because it suits your view of the man.
You are making assumptions about my view on Ken by your view on me.
You have no idea of my views on him.
If you read what Ken said it is obvious it was a personal attack on this mans battle with depression.
No! It isn't obvious at all! As I said, you could use the phrase about anyone. It's just unfortunate he used it about him. Had he been aware of the man's issues, I think it's "obvious" he wouldn't have said it. Livingstone isn't stupid. He knows not to knowingly insult someone's real problems. You are presuming he was aware.
But livingstone is just a convenient man to hate, its water offa ducks back to him."He has form on this. It's not the first time he has behaved in such a manner. Just read what he said. It's not an off the cuff remark or a slip off the tongue. It is an attack on a person who disagrees with him. Watch the interview, it's obvious he knew what he was saying. | |||
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"But Livingstone wasn't in parliament to hear it was he? Why on earth would he be aware of an issue that, really, has got nothing to do with him. This pisses me off. I might have a fit. But I can say that as I have epilepsy. So ner ner ner ner ner.
It was well publicised. He is a colleague.
Livingstone mentioned the particular illness the man was suffering from.
Well publicised??? Were you aware of it, before this happened? Most people haven't even heard of him, never mind his mental health status. What might have been announced "recently" is fish and chip wrappers now. Its hardly likely to be in peoples forethought is it?
Livingstone made particular reference to this mans illness , he knew what he was doing.
It was a comment that could have been aimed at anyone. It's fairly common to call into question someone's sanity, as a joke, when they hold views you find odd or nonsensical. You don't know that he knew exactly what he was doing, when he made that comment. Your assuming he did, because it suits your view of the man.
You are making assumptions about my view on Ken by your view on me.
You have no idea of my views on him.
If you read what Ken said it is obvious it was a personal attack on this mans battle with depression.
No! It isn't obvious at all! As I said, you could use the phrase about anyone. It's just unfortunate he used it about him. Had he been aware of the man's issues, I think it's "obvious" he wouldn't have said it. Livingstone isn't stupid. He knows not to knowingly insult someone's real problems. You are presuming he was aware.
But livingstone is just a convenient man to hate, its water offa ducks back to him.
He has form on this.
It's not the first time he has behaved in such a manner.
Just read what he said. It's not an off the cuff remark or a slip off the tongue. It is an attack on a person who disagrees with him. Watch the interview, it's obvious he knew what he was saying. "I've seen the interview. It's not a comment that you can possibly say could only be targeted at someone with real mental health issues. Its a JOKE, that could be directed at anyone. But there's none so blind as will not see eh? | |||
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"But Livingstone wasn't in parliament to hear it was he? Why on earth would he be aware of an issue that, really, has got nothing to do with him. This pisses me off. I might have a fit. But I can say that as I have epilepsy. So ner ner ner ner ner.
It was well publicised. He is a colleague.
Livingstone mentioned the particular illness the man was suffering from.
Well publicised??? Were you aware of it, before this happened? Most people haven't even heard of him, never mind his mental health status. What might have been announced "recently" is fish and chip wrappers now. Its hardly likely to be in peoples forethought is it?
Livingstone made particular reference to this mans illness , he knew what he was doing.
It was a comment that could have been aimed at anyone. It's fairly common to call into question someone's sanity, as a joke, when they hold views you find odd or nonsensical. You don't know that he knew exactly what he was doing, when he made that comment. Your assuming he did, because it suits your view of the man.
You are making assumptions about my view on Ken by your view on me.
You have no idea of my views on him.
If you read what Ken said it is obvious it was a personal attack on this mans battle with depression.
No! It isn't obvious at all! As I said, you could use the phrase about anyone. It's just unfortunate he used it about him. Had he been aware of the man's issues, I think it's "obvious" he wouldn't have said it. Livingstone isn't stupid. He knows not to knowingly insult someone's real problems. You are presuming he was aware.
But livingstone is just a convenient man to hate, its water offa ducks back to him.
He has form on this.
It's not the first time he has behaved in such a manner.
Just read what he said. It's not an off the cuff remark or a slip off the tongue. It is an attack on a person who disagrees with him. Watch the interview, it's obvious he knew what he was saying.
I've seen the interview. It's not a comment that you can possibly say could only be targeted at someone with real mental health issues. Its a JOKE, that could be directed at anyone. But there's none so blind as will not see eh?"So mental illness is funny now ? | |||
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"But Livingstone wasn't in parliament to hear it was he? Why on earth would he be aware of an issue that, really, has got nothing to do with him. This pisses me off. I might have a fit. But I can say that as I have epilepsy. So ner ner ner ner ner.
It was well publicised. He is a colleague.
Livingstone mentioned the particular illness the man was suffering from.
Well publicised??? Were you aware of it, before this happened? Most people haven't even heard of him, never mind his mental health status. What might have been announced "recently" is fish and chip wrappers now. Its hardly likely to be in peoples forethought is it?
Livingstone made particular reference to this mans illness , he knew what he was doing.
It was a comment that could have been aimed at anyone. It's fairly common to call into question someone's sanity, as a joke, when they hold views you find odd or nonsensical. You don't know that he knew exactly what he was doing, when he made that comment. Your assuming he did, because it suits your view of the man.
You are making assumptions about my view on Ken by your view on me.
You have no idea of my views on him.
If you read what Ken said it is obvious it was a personal attack on this mans battle with depression.
No! It isn't obvious at all! As I said, you could use the phrase about anyone. It's just unfortunate he used it about him. Had he been aware of the man's issues, I think it's "obvious" he wouldn't have said it. Livingstone isn't stupid. He knows not to knowingly insult someone's real problems. You are presuming he was aware.
But livingstone is just a convenient man to hate, its water offa ducks back to him.
He has form on this.
It's not the first time he has behaved in such a manner.
Just read what he said. It's not an off the cuff remark or a slip off the tongue. It is an attack on a person who disagrees with him. Watch the interview, it's obvious he knew what he was saying.
I've seen the interview. It's not a comment that you can possibly say could only be targeted at someone with real mental health issues. Its a JOKE, that could be directed at anyone. But there's none so blind as will not see eh?
So mental illness is funny now ? "Depending on the context, yes, it can be. Most humour has to have a butt of a joke. Those are the hard facts of comedy. For christs sake don't go to a comedy club whatever you do, you'll be trying to defend everyone in the front row. | |||
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"But Livingstone wasn't in parliament to hear it was he? Why on earth would he be aware of an issue that, really, has got nothing to do with him. This pisses me off. I might have a fit. But I can say that as I have epilepsy. So ner ner ner ner ner.
It was well publicised. He is a colleague.
Livingstone mentioned the particular illness the man was suffering from.
Well publicised??? Were you aware of it, before this happened? Most people haven't even heard of him, never mind his mental health status. What might have been announced "recently" is fish and chip wrappers now. Its hardly likely to be in peoples forethought is it?
Livingstone made particular reference to this mans illness , he knew what he was doing.
It was a comment that could have been aimed at anyone. It's fairly common to call into question someone's sanity, as a joke, when they hold views you find odd or nonsensical. You don't know that he knew exactly what he was doing, when he made that comment. Your assuming he did, because it suits your view of the man.
You are making assumptions about my view on Ken by your view on me.
You have no idea of my views on him.
If you read what Ken said it is obvious it was a personal attack on this mans battle with depression.
No! It isn't obvious at all! As I said, you could use the phrase about anyone. It's just unfortunate he used it about him. Had he been aware of the man's issues, I think it's "obvious" he wouldn't have said it. Livingstone isn't stupid. He knows not to knowingly insult someone's real problems. You are presuming he was aware.
But livingstone is just a convenient man to hate, its water offa ducks back to him.
He has form on this.
It's not the first time he has behaved in such a manner.
Just read what he said. It's not an off the cuff remark or a slip off the tongue. It is an attack on a person who disagrees with him. Watch the interview, it's obvious he knew what he was saying.
I've seen the interview. It's not a comment that you can possibly say could only be targeted at someone with real mental health issues. Its a JOKE, that could be directed at anyone. But there's none so blind as will not see eh?
So mental illness is funny now ?
Depending on the context, yes, it can be.
Most humour has to have a butt of a joke. Those are the hard facts of comedy. For christs sake don't go to a comedy club whatever you do, you'll be trying to defend everyone in the front row."Is digging out a colleague with a known illness because he disagrees with you the right context ? | |||
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" Ken Livingstone was yesterday forced to apologise after urging a shadow minister with depression to seek psychiatric help. Jeremy Corbyn urged Mr Livingstone to apologise , the former London Mayor called frontbencher Kevan Jones "disturbed" for raising questions about the party's credibility on nuclear defence. "I think he might need some psychiatric help. He's obviously very depressed and disturbed," Mr Livingstone said. "He should pop off and see his GP before he makes these offensive comments." Livingstone first refused to apologise but reluctantly relented when Corbyn insisted. He's a bit of a cunt ain't he " yes he is and always has been personally I find these hard left wingers the least democratic and intolerant of all political breeds. If you dare to disagree , even if your view is with the majority you get slagged off. | |||
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"But Livingstone wasn't in parliament to hear it was he? Why on earth would he be aware of an issue that, really, has got nothing to do with him. This pisses me off. I might have a fit. But I can say that as I have epilepsy. So ner ner ner ner ner.
It was well publicised. He is a colleague.
Livingstone mentioned the particular illness the man was suffering from.
Well publicised??? Were you aware of it, before this happened? Most people haven't even heard of him, never mind his mental health status. What might have been announced "recently" is fish and chip wrappers now. Its hardly likely to be in peoples forethought is it?
Livingstone made particular reference to this mans illness , he knew what he was doing.
It was a comment that could have been aimed at anyone. It's fairly common to call into question someone's sanity, as a joke, when they hold views you find odd or nonsensical. You don't know that he knew exactly what he was doing, when he made that comment. Your assuming he did, because it suits your view of the man.
You are making assumptions about my view on Ken by your view on me.
You have no idea of my views on him.
If you read what Ken said it is obvious it was a personal attack on this mans battle with depression.
No! It isn't obvious at all! As I said, you could use the phrase about anyone. It's just unfortunate he used it about him. Had he been aware of the man's issues, I think it's "obvious" he wouldn't have said it. Livingstone isn't stupid. He knows not to knowingly insult someone's real problems. You are presuming he was aware.
But livingstone is just a convenient man to hate, its water offa ducks back to him.
He has form on this.
It's not the first time he has behaved in such a manner.
Just read what he said. It's not an off the cuff remark or a slip off the tongue. It is an attack on a person who disagrees with him. Watch the interview, it's obvious he knew what he was saying.
I've seen the interview. It's not a comment that you can possibly say could only be targeted at someone with real mental health issues. Its a JOKE, that could be directed at anyone. But there's none so blind as will not see eh?
So mental illness is funny now ?
Depending on the context, yes, it can be.
Most humour has to have a butt of a joke. Those are the hard facts of comedy. For christs sake don't go to a comedy club whatever you do, you'll be trying to defend everyone in the front row.
Is digging out a colleague with a known illness because he disagrees with you the right context ? ",Yes, the right context, if his illness wasn't known or remembered by you. | |||
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" Ken Livingstone was yesterday forced to apologise after urging a shadow minister with depression to seek psychiatric help. Jeremy Corbyn urged Mr Livingstone to apologise , the former London Mayor called frontbencher Kevan Jones "disturbed" for raising questions about the party's credibility on nuclear defence. "I think he might need some psychiatric help. He's obviously very depressed and disturbed," Mr Livingstone said. "He should pop off and see his GP before he makes these offensive comments." Livingstone first refused to apologise but reluctantly relented when Corbyn insisted. He's a bit of a cunt ain't he yes he is and always has been personally I find these hard left wingers the least democratic and intolerant of all political breeds. If you dare to disagree , even if your view is with the majority you get slagged off." Whereas the right wingers just drown out speakers like the hooray Henry's they are. | |||
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"Maybe Ken Livinstone is a qualified doctor who was just diagnosing and advising the guy?" Award for most naive comment of the day goes to.... | |||
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"Maybe Ken Livinstone is a qualified doctor who was just diagnosing and advising the guy? Award for most naive comment of the day goes to...." It was sarcasm, on the internet it's always sarcasm... | |||
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" Livingstone isn't stupid." On 2nd thoughts, award for most naive comment of the day goes to..... | |||
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" Ken Livingstone was yesterday forced to apologise after urging a shadow minister with depression to seek psychiatric help. Jeremy Corbyn urged Mr Livingstone to apologise , the former London Mayor called frontbencher Kevan Jones "disturbed" for raising questions about the party's credibility on nuclear defence. "I think he might need some psychiatric help. He's obviously very depressed and disturbed," Mr Livingstone said. "He should pop off and see his GP before he makes these offensive comments." Livingstone first refused to apologise but reluctantly relented when Corbyn insisted. He's a bit of a cunt ain't he yes he is and always has been personally I find these hard left wingers the least democratic and intolerant of all political breeds. If you dare to disagree , even if your view is with the majority you get slagged off. Whereas the right wingers just drown out speakers like the hooray Henry's they are. "thus proving my point. | |||
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"a strom in a tea-cup really innit, the extreme right on this thread would do better to concentrate on the obnoxious policies the cabinet are implementing that is dragging this country down." Now now. Let's forget about the mountains, there are molehills to be dealt with! | |||
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"But Livingstone wasn't in parliament to hear it was he? Why on earth would he be aware of an issue that, really, has got nothing to do with him. This pisses me off. I might have a fit. But I can say that as I have epilepsy. So ner ner ner ner ner.
You're making yourself look silly.....defending the indefensible
It was well publicised. He is a colleague.
Livingstone mentioned the particular illness the man was suffering from.
Well publicised??? Were you aware of it, before this happened? Most people haven't even heard of him, never mind his mental health status. What might have been announced "recently" is fish and chip wrappers now. Its hardly likely to be in peoples forethought is it?" | |||
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"a strom in a tea-cup really innit, the extreme right on this thread would do better to concentrate on the obnoxious policies the cabinet are implementing that is dragging this country down. Could do but that would be off topic. Try reading the title of the thread. " it's this crass attitude that i was alluding too in my post ... thanks for being so demonstrative | |||
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I thought it was a Lib dem/Tory coalition govt who armed them, but let's not let facts get in the way shall we? "Are you seriously suggesting that the Liberals opposed any Tory initiatives in that government with any degree of success? Or was it those ISIS loving Lib Dems pulling the strings behind the scenes all the time? | |||
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Or Pinochet, or Hussein, or most unsavoury regimes, plus various freedom fighters/terrorists that the Tories seemed keen to be pally with.... "Can't we just nitpick about the influence of the Lib Dems in all this? | |||
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Or Pinochet, or Hussein, or most unsavoury regimes, plus various freedom fighters/terrorists that the Tories seemed keen to be pally with....
Can't we just nitpick about the influence of the Lib Dems in all this? "Nick Clegg seemed pretty keen on bombing Libya. | |||
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Or Pinochet, or Hussein, or most unsavoury regimes, plus various freedom fighters/terrorists that the Tories seemed keen to be pally with....
Can't we just nitpick about the influence of the Lib Dems in all this?
Nick Clegg seemed pretty keen on bombing Libya."What's your point please, caller? | |||
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" Nick Clegg seemed pretty keen on bombing Libya." not nearly as keen as ca-moron was and that ended spectacularly well for everyone involved didn't it? | |||
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Or Pinochet, or Hussein, or most unsavoury regimes, plus various freedom fighters/terrorists that the Tories seemed keen to be pally with....
Can't we just nitpick about the influence of the Lib Dems in all this?
Nick Clegg seemed pretty keen on bombing Libya.
What's your point please, caller?
"You just asked people to nitpick about the influence of the lib dems in all this so that's what I did. We had a tory/lib dem coalition government for the last 5 years, something which you seem to have forgotten in a previous post you made earlier about arming the rebels. | |||
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"People have to accept that certain phrases/insults are not commonplace and not deliberately aimed at someone because of their real issues that are more than likely not known to the person using them. Can we please have a definitive list of what is and is not acceptable? So I can ignore it." I don't think it's acceptable to try and discredit anyone just because they don't agree with you by using a mental illness as your weapon. whether they are or have ever been mentally ill is totally irrelevant. | |||
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"You just asked people to nitpick about the influence of the lib dems in all this so that's what I did. We had a tory/lib dem coalition government for the last 5 years, something which you seem to have forgotten in a previous post you made earlier about arming the rebels. so much for your concerns about my post going off topic .... but then the extreme right trait of one rule for some and different more draconian rules for all the rest is the conerstone of their pernicious ideology "I was asked a specific question so I answered the poster who questioned me. Also when people get facts wrong as that poster did only right they should be corrected. | |||
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"You just asked people to nitpick about the influence of the lib dems in all this so that's what I did. We had a tory/lib dem coalition government for the last 5 years, something which you seem to have forgotten in a previous post you made earlier about arming the rebels. so much for your concerns about my post going off topic .... but then the extreme right trait of one rule for some and different more draconian rules for all the rest is the conerstone of their pernicious ideology
I was asked a specific question so I answered the poster who questioned me. Also when people get facts wrong as that poster did only right they should be corrected. "so how do you explain your other off topic posts on this thread .... in fact don't bother, my previous post answers it for you | |||
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" Another one who thinks it's cool to make friends with terrorists, sorry freedom fighters Terrorists/freedom fighters armed by us, under a Tory govt because they opposed Assad, you mean? Those ones?
Or Pinochet, or Hussein, or most unsavoury regimes, plus various freedom fighters/terrorists that the Tories seemed keen to be pally with....
Can't we just nitpick about the influence of the Lib Dems in all this?
Nick Clegg seemed pretty keen on bombing Libya.
What's your point please, caller?
You just asked people to nitpick about the influence of the lib dems in all this so that's what I did. We had a tory/lib dem coalition government for the last 5 years, something which you seem to have forgotten in a previous post you made earlier about arming the rebels. "I hadn't forgotten, it didn't seem necessary to mention it. IF you want my opinion on the Lib Dems in that particular instance, I would say that since they were in office, they were equally culpable. That is to say, the Tories armed ISIS AND the Lib Dems armed ISIS. They don't get to be 50% culpable each in my eyes. | |||
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"But Livingstone wasn't in parliament to hear it was he? Why on earth would he be aware of an issue that, really, has got nothing to do with him. This pisses me off. I might have a fit. But I can say that as I have epilepsy. So ner ner ner ner ner. "Sometimes it's better to just admit it was wrong rather than making ever wilder and increasingly unbelievable excuses for what was clearly totally unacceptable and uncalled for behaviour. | |||
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"You just asked people to nitpick about the influence of the lib dems in all this so that's what I did. We had a tory/lib dem coalition government for the last 5 years, something which you seem to have forgotten in a previous post you made earlier about arming the rebels. so much for your concerns about my post going off topic .... but then the extreme right trait of one rule for some and different more draconian rules for all the rest is the conerstone of their pernicious ideology
I was asked a specific question so I answered the poster who questioned me. Also when people get facts wrong as that poster did only right they should be corrected.
so how do you explain your other off topic posts on this thread .... in fact don't bother, my previous post answers it for you"Such as? | |||
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Nope not saying that at all but thanks for putting words in my mouth. There's a huge difference between having dialogue with groups to find solutions to problems and standing up giving speeches about how bloody awesome they are and how Nobel their cause is because they are fellow lefties. "you mean like corbyn supporting the ANC struggle in apartheid south africa while the bullingdon boys were calling for mandela to be executed publically? | |||
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Nope not saying that at all but thanks for putting words in my mouth. There's a huge difference between having dialogue with groups to find solutions to problems and standing up giving speeches about how bloody awesome they are and how Nobel their cause is because they are fellow lefties. "Hang on.... You are honestly saying that in your opinion ISIS are on the left of the political spectrum? | |||
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I was asked a specific question so I answered the poster who questioned me. Also when people get facts wrong as that poster did only right they should be corrected.
so how do you explain your other off topic posts on this thread .... in fact don't bother, my previous post answers it for you
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I was asked a specific question so I answered the poster who questioned me. Also when people get facts wrong as that poster did only right they should be corrected.
so how do you explain your other off topic posts on this thread .... in fact don't bother, my previous post answers it for you
Such as?
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I was asked a specific question so I answered the poster who questioned me. Also when people get facts wrong as that poster did only right they should be corrected.
so how do you explain your other off topic posts on this thread .... in fact don't bother, my previous post answers it for you
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So you can't name any other off topic posts then? "just scroll up dude | |||
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Nope not saying that at all but thanks for putting words in my mouth. There's a huge difference between having dialogue with groups to find solutions to problems and standing up giving speeches about how bloody awesome they are and how Nobel their cause is because they are fellow lefties.
you mean like corbyn supporting the ANC struggle in apartheid south africa while the bullingdon boys were calling for mandela to be executed publically?"If you want to go down that rabbit hole start a new thread please. Your example is irrelevant to my distinction between resolving problems and ass licking. | |||
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"Another one who thinks it's cool to make friends with terrorists, sorry freedom fighters hmmmm .... so your're inferring that opening a dialouge with terrorists didn't bring a modicum of peace to northern ireland but 30 odd years of martial law and a strict policy no mediation did .... right
Nope not saying that at all but thanks for putting words in my mouth. There's a huge difference between having dialogue with groups to find solutions to problems and standing up giving speeches about how bloody awesome they are and how Nobel their cause is because they are fellow lefties.
you mean like corbyn supporting the ANC struggle in apartheid south africa while the bullingdon boys were calling for mandela to be executed publically?
If you want to go down that rabbit hole start a new thread please. Your example is irrelevant to my distinction between resolving problems and ass licking. "yeah right | |||
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I was asked a specific question so I answered the poster who questioned me. Also when people get facts wrong as that poster did only right they should be corrected.
so how do you explain your other off topic posts on this thread .... in fact don't bother, my previous post answers it for you
Such as?
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So you can't name any other off topic posts then?
just scroll up dude"I have done, all posts seem to be on topic or replies to specific questions asked by others on the thread. I've asked you to produce them....clearly you can't. | |||
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"But Livingstone wasn't in parliament to hear it was he? Why on earth would he be aware of an issue that, really, has got nothing to do with him. This pisses me off. I might have a fit. But I can say that as I have epilepsy. So ner ner ner ner ner.
It was well publicised. He is a colleague.
Livingstone mentioned the particular illness the man was suffering from.
Well publicised??? Were you aware of it, before this happened? Most people haven't even heard of him, never mind his mental health status. What might have been announced "recently" is fish and chip wrappers now. Its hardly likely to be in peoples forethought is it?"But it's totally unacceptable to make those sort of comments regardless. The reason why it's unacceptable is because either you know the person has a mental illness, the person has a mental illness but you don't know about it or non of the above and you're just insulting every single person who has or has had a mental illness ever. I really don't know how you can't see that any of those is just plain wrong. | |||
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Nope not saying that at all but thanks for putting words in my mouth. There's a huge difference between having dialogue with groups to find solutions to problems and standing up giving speeches about how bloody awesome they are and how Nobel their cause is because they are fellow lefties.
Hang on....
You are honestly saying that in your opinion ISIS are on the left of the political spectrum?"When did ISIS enter the conversation? Is ken friends with them? | |||
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I was asked a specific question so I answered the poster who questioned me. Also when people get facts wrong as that poster did only right they should be corrected.
so how do you explain your other off topic posts on this thread .... in fact don't bother, my previous post answers it for you
Such as?
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So you can't name any other off topic posts then?
just scroll up dude
I have done, all posts seem to be on topic or replies to specific questions asked by others on the thread. I've asked you to produce them....clearly you can't. "what's bombing libya got to do with ken livingstone insulting a colleague? don't answer that .... it's a rhetorical question | |||
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Nope not saying that at all but thanks for putting words in my mouth. There's a huge difference between having dialogue with groups to find solutions to problems and standing up giving speeches about how bloody awesome they are and how Nobel their cause is because they are fellow lefties.
you mean like corbyn supporting the ANC struggle in apartheid south africa while the bullingdon boys were calling for mandela to be executed publically?
If you want to go down that rabbit hole start a new thread please. Your example is irrelevant to my distinction between resolving problems and ass licking. "Did you make that distinction? Or was it supposed to be inferred from where you haven't written anything of the sort? How are ISIS on the left please? | |||
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I was asked a specific question so I answered the poster who questioned me. Also when people get facts wrong as that poster did only right they should be corrected.
so how do you explain your other off topic posts on this thread .... in fact don't bother, my previous post answers it for you
Such as?
crass
So you can't name any other off topic posts then?
just scroll up dude
I have done, all posts seem to be on topic or replies to specific questions asked by others on the thread. I've asked you to produce them....clearly you can't.
what's bombing libya got to do with ken livingstone insulting a colleague? don't answer that .... it's a rhetorical question "That was a reply to JimiUk when he asked about the role of the lib dems in all this. Next...... | |||
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Nope not saying that at all but thanks for putting words in my mouth. There's a huge difference between having dialogue with groups to find solutions to problems and standing up giving speeches about how bloody awesome they are and how Nobel their cause is because they are fellow lefties.
Hang on....
You are honestly saying that in your opinion ISIS are on the left of the political spectrum?
When did ISIS enter the conversation? Is ken friends with them? "Who were you talking about then as being "fellow lefties"? The IRA? | |||
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"But Livingstone wasn't in parliament to hear it was he? Why on earth would he be aware of an issue that, really, has got nothing to do with him. This pisses me off. I might have a fit. But I can say that as I have epilepsy. So ner ner ner ner ner.
It was well publicised. He is a colleague.
Livingstone mentioned the particular illness the man was suffering from.
Well publicised??? Were you aware of it, before this happened? Most people haven't even heard of him, never mind his mental health status. What might have been announced "recently" is fish and chip wrappers now. Its hardly likely to be in peoples forethought is it?
Livingstone made particular reference to this mans illness , he knew what he was doing.
It was a comment that could have been aimed at anyone. It's fairly common to call into question someone's sanity, as a joke, when they hold views you find odd or nonsensical. You don't know that he knew exactly what he was doing, when he made that comment. Your assuming he did, because it suits your view of the man."I don't care if he knew or not. It's unacceptable to use mental illness as a form of derogatory insult. End of. | |||
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Nope not saying that at all but thanks for putting words in my mouth. There's a huge difference between having dialogue with groups to find solutions to problems and standing up giving speeches about how bloody awesome they are and how Nobel their cause is because they are fellow lefties.
Hang on....
You are honestly saying that in your opinion ISIS are on the left of the political spectrum?
When did ISIS enter the conversation? Is ken friends with them? "it may help if you were specific about which group of freedom fighters you were refering to in that case | |||
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I was asked a specific question so I answered the poster who questioned me. Also when people get facts wrong as that poster did only right they should be corrected.
so how do you explain your other off topic posts on this thread .... in fact don't bother, my previous post answers it for you
Such as?
crass
So you can't name any other off topic posts then?
just scroll up dude
I have done, all posts seem to be on topic or replies to specific questions asked by others on the thread. I've asked you to produce them....clearly you can't.
what's bombing libya got to do with ken livingstone insulting a colleague? don't answer that .... it's a rhetorical question
That was a reply to JimiUk when he asked about the role of the lib dems in all this. Next......"still off topic though innit | |||
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"But Livingstone wasn't in parliament to hear it was he? Why on earth would he be aware of an issue that, really, has got nothing to do with him. This pisses me off. I might have a fit. But I can say that as I have epilepsy. So ner ner ner ner ner.
It was well publicised. He is a colleague.
Livingstone mentioned the particular illness the man was suffering from.
Well publicised??? Were you aware of it, before this happened? Most people haven't even heard of him, never mind his mental health status. What might have been announced "recently" is fish and chip wrappers now. Its hardly likely to be in peoples forethought is it?
Livingstone made particular reference to this mans illness , he knew what he was doing.
It was a comment that could have been aimed at anyone. It's fairly common to call into question someone's sanity, as a joke, when they hold views you find odd or nonsensical. You don't know that he knew exactly what he was doing, when he made that comment. Your assuming he did, because it suits your view of the man.
You are making assumptions about my view on Ken by your view on me.
You have no idea of my views on him.
If you read what Ken said it is obvious it was a personal attack on this mans battle with depression.
No! It isn't obvious at all! As I said, you could use the phrase about anyone. It's just unfortunate he used it about him. Had he been aware of the man's issues, I think it's "obvious" he wouldn't have said it. Livingstone isn't stupid. He knows not to knowingly insult someone's real problems. You are presuming he was aware.
But livingstone is just a convenient man to hate, its water offa ducks back to him.
He has form on this.
It's not the first time he has behaved in such a manner.
Just read what he said. It's not an off the cuff remark or a slip off the tongue. It is an attack on a person who disagrees with him. Watch the interview, it's obvious he knew what he was saying.
I've seen the interview. It's not a comment that you can possibly say could only be targeted at someone with real mental health issues. Its a JOKE, that could be directed at anyone. But there's none so blind as will not see eh?"In deep there is not!! | |||
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Nope not saying that at all but thanks for putting words in my mouth. There's a huge difference between having dialogue with groups to find solutions to problems and standing up giving speeches about how bloody awesome they are and how Nobel their cause is because they are fellow lefties.
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I was asked a specific question so I answered the poster who questioned me. Also when people get facts wrong as that poster did only right they should be corrected.
so how do you explain your other off topic posts on this thread .... in fact don't bother, my previous post answers it for you
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I have done, all posts seem to be on topic or replies to specific questions asked by others on the thread. I've asked you to produce them....clearly you can't.
what's bombing libya got to do with ken livingstone insulting a colleague? don't answer that .... it's a rhetorical question
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still off topic though innit"Clearly you think so but that is the way the thread has developed. So shall we get back to the OP and talk about what a moronic prat Ken Livingstone is for insulting mental health sufferers, when it's one of his Labour party colleagues who stood up in the house of commons and told everyone he suffered with depression not that long ago. | |||
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I was asked a specific question so I answered the poster who questioned me. Also when people get facts wrong as that poster did only right they should be corrected. "There using diversion to take you, and in this case the majority of normal people, of track because they know they haven't got a leg to stand-on with regard to Ken's remarks. | |||
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"I'm a long-term admirer of Ken, who thinks his comments yesterday were incredibly disappointing - whether they were deliberately aimed or not. Neither do I think his apology was either heartfelt or addressed the issue. The stigmatising of people with mental health problems should be dealt with in the same manner as racism, sexism etc; Hope he's ashamed."
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I was asked a specific question so I answered the poster who questioned me. Also when people get facts wrong as that poster did only right they should be corrected.
so how do you explain your other off topic posts on this thread .... in fact don't bother, my previous post answers it for you
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just scroll up dude
I have done, all posts seem to be on topic or replies to specific questions asked by others on the thread. I've asked you to produce them....clearly you can't.
what's bombing libya got to do with ken livingstone insulting a colleague? don't answer that .... it's a rhetorical question
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still off topic though innit
Clearly you think so but that is the way the thread has developed. So shall we get back to the OP and talk about what a moronic prat Ken Livingstone is for insulting mental health sufferers, when it's one of his Labour party colleagues who stood up in the house of commons and told everyone he suffered with depression not that long ago. "i clearly think so because you clearly went so far off topic for so many posts, an act of which you attempted to belittle me for doing earlier when i remarked that this ken lingstone issue is a strom in a teacup ... so i'll reiterate about the extreme right trait of one rule for some and different more draconian rules for all the rest is the conerstone of their pernicious ideology | |||
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I was asked a specific question so I answered the poster who questioned me. Also when people get facts wrong as that poster did only right they should be corrected.
There using diversion to take you, and in this case the majority of normal people, of track because they know they haven't got a leg to stand-on with regard to Ken's remarks."No I wasn't - I was responding to other posts in the thread. The debate had moved on slightly, thats what they do. | |||
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I was asked a specific question so I answered the poster who questioned me. Also when people get facts wrong as that poster did only right they should be corrected.
so how do you explain your other off topic posts on this thread .... in fact don't bother, my previous post answers it for you
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just scroll up dude
I have done, all posts seem to be on topic or replies to specific questions asked by others on the thread. I've asked you to produce them....clearly you can't.
what's bombing libya got to do with ken livingstone insulting a colleague? don't answer that .... it's a rhetorical question
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still off topic though innit
Clearly you think so but that is the way the thread has developed. So shall we get back to the OP and talk about what a moronic prat Ken Livingstone is for insulting mental health sufferers, when it's one of his Labour party colleagues who stood up in the house of commons and told everyone he suffered with depression not that long ago.
i clearly think so because you clearly went so far off topic for so many posts, an act of which you attempted to belittle me for doing earlier when i remarked that this ken lingstone issue is a strom in a teacup ... so i'll reiterate about the extreme right trait of one rule for some and different more draconian rules for all the rest is the conerstone of their pernicious
ideology "As Unleashed Craken just said you are using diversionary tactics because you know you haven't got a leg to stand on when it comes to Ken Livingstone's remarks. | |||
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I was asked a specific question so I answered the poster who questioned me. Also when people get facts wrong as that poster did only right they should be corrected.
There using diversion to take you, and in this case the majority of normal people, of track because they know they haven't got a leg to stand-on with regard to Ken's remarks.
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I was asked a specific question so I answered the poster who questioned me. Also when people get facts wrong as that poster did only right they should be corrected.
There using diversion to take you, and in this case the majority of normal people, of track because they know they haven't got a leg to stand-on with regard to Ken's remarks.
No I wasn't - I was responding to other posts in the thread. The debate had moved on slightly, thats what they do.
And now we've moved back on topic maybe you could share your views on whether Ken's comments were either right or justifiable?"No, not really, but as above, politicians do tend towards cuntiness. There, that was short and possibly dull, when this thread is proving to be very entertaining for other reasons. | |||
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I was asked a specific question so I answered the poster who questioned me. Also when people get facts wrong as that poster did only right they should be corrected.
There using diversion to take you, and in this case the majority of normal people, of track because they know they haven't got a leg to stand-on with regard to Ken's remarks.
No I wasn't - I was responding to other posts in the thread. The debate had moved on slightly, thats what they do.
And now we've moved back on topic maybe you could share your views on whether Ken's comments were either right or justifiable?
No, not really, but as above, politicians do tend towards cuntiness.
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I was asked a specific question so I answered the poster who questioned me. Also when people get facts wrong as that poster did only right they should be corrected.
There using diversion to take you, and in this case the majority of normal people, of track because they know they haven't got a leg to stand-on with regard to Ken's remarks.
No I wasn't - I was responding to other posts in the thread. The debate had moved on slightly, thats what they do.
And now we've moved back on topic maybe you could share your views on whether Ken's comments were either right or justifiable?
No, not really, but as above, politicians do tend towards cuntiness.
There, that was short and possibly dull, when this thread is proving to be very entertaining for other reasons.
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Nope not saying that at all but thanks for putting words in my mouth. There's a huge difference between having dialogue with groups to find solutions to problems and standing up giving speeches about how bloody awesome they are and how Nobel their cause is because they are fellow lefties.
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You are honestly saying that in your opinion ISIS are on the left of the political spectrum?
When did ISIS enter the conversation? Is ken friends with them?
it may help if you were specific about which group of freedom fighters you were refering to in that case"I base my original comment on his friendship with such characters as Yusuf al-Qaradawi, Azzam Tamimi, Hugo Chavez & Khaled Meshaal. Frankly I don't have time to enter a rabbit hole debate about each one. It's my opinion that a British politician shouldn't show support for such people, although they can have dialogue with them. If you still don't understand the difference then have a look at British relations with Iran. That's my opinion, feel free to have your own. | |||
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Nope not saying that at all but thanks for putting words in my mouth. There's a huge difference between having dialogue with groups to find solutions to problems and standing up giving speeches about how bloody awesome they are and how Nobel their cause is because they are fellow lefties.
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You are honestly saying that in your opinion ISIS are on the left of the political spectrum?
When did ISIS enter the conversation? Is ken friends with them?
it may help if you were specific about which group of freedom fighters you were refering to in that case
I base my original comment on his friendship with such characters as Yusuf al-Qaradawi, Azzam Tamimi, Hugo Chavez & Khaled Meshaal. Frankly I don't have time to enter a rabbit hole debate about each one. It's my opinion that a British politician shouldn't show support for such people, although they can have dialogue with them. If you still don't understand the difference then have a look at British relations with Iran. That's my opinion, feel free to have your own. "What about Pinochet, say? | |||
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Nope not saying that at all but thanks for putting words in my mouth. There's a huge difference between having dialogue with groups to find solutions to problems and standing up giving speeches about how bloody awesome they are and how Nobel their cause is because they are fellow lefties.
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You are honestly saying that in your opinion ISIS are on the left of the political spectrum?
When did ISIS enter the conversation? Is ken friends with them?
it may help if you were specific about which group of freedom fighters you were refering to in that case
I base my original comment on his friendship with such characters as Yusuf al-Qaradawi, Azzam Tamimi, Hugo Chavez & Khaled Meshaal. Frankly I don't have time to enter a rabbit hole debate about each one. It's my opinion that a British politician shouldn't show support for such people, although they can have dialogue with them. If you still don't understand the difference then have a look at British relations with Iran. That's my opinion, feel free to have your own.
What about Pinochet, say?"What about him - did someone nominate me as the Maggie Thatcher defence task force? I don't think any of my list are ISIS or IRA so thanks to the people stuffing words in my thumbs for me. Sorry I didn't get your opinion on my list, are those people you think he should call friends or not? | |||
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"Can't be arsed to read all the thread, but Livingstone has always come across a bit of a dick so this isn't exactly a surprising outburst. Blah blah "you can't say anything without someone getting offended" blah - well you fucking well should think before you speaking when your job is speaking in public." It also helps if you excuse is better than "he started it" | |||
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"Can't be arsed to read all the thread, but Livingstone has always come across a bit of a dick so this isn't exactly a surprising outburst. Blah blah "you can't say anything without someone getting offended" blah - well you fucking well should think before you speak when your job is speaking in public." This | |||
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"Heard a bit of his interview on the world at 1 and he said he was 'historically correct', even if he is ffs there are ways of debating a point (even if John Mann is in your face) and using Hitler in an argument over someone suspended over anti semitic comments is crass, stupid and well out of order.. Corbyn has to get a grip, though not sure he is strong enough to sort it out.." Yup | |||
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"Shock as socialist holds anti semetic views!! Why would socialists necessarily hold anti-semitic views? Indeed socialism has often (just as ridiculously) between described as a Zionist plot through history." Socialists have long held links with anti Semitic groups. This is not to say all socialists are anti Semitic but is is a believe that many of them hold. | |||
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"Oh for Christs sake he isn't,and wasn't anti Semitic.And neither were his comments. I'm almost getting annoyed. Saying hitler was a zionist? No. I'll informed people saying Corbyn is an anti semite.ridiculous. Who has said he was? Polka did just above my comment.as have others. No I never, you're beginning to make things up now. " You said 'hr has long been regarding as an anti semite'. May not have been what you intended it to mean,but its very easy,looking at the phrasing and the semantics of the words used,ro not even have to think about inferring that you were indicating that you think he is an anti Semite. | |||
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"Shah said Jews should be marched to the USA. That is anti Semitic. She should never been chosen to stand as an MP with those views. " Correct | |||
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"Oh for Christs sake he isn't,and wasn't anti Semitic.And neither were his comments. I'm almost getting annoyed." So defending an MP who thinks The population of Israel should all be deported isn't anti-Semitic? Who wrote your dictionary? Goebels? Mengele? Hitler himself? Of course it is anti-Semitic. As were his other comments given directly on a radio interview. I am no lover of the media putting a spin on things but in this case they didn't have to....his comments were given live on air and can be heard directly in his own words. He has always been a first class dickwad....but he has taken it to another level today. I suppose at least his mate Jeremy acted more quickly this time, rather than dragging his heels until virtually forced to act. | |||
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"The context of the thread has(obviously)changed in light of comments and press respond today. Shah was anti israeli(government),as is the UN basically.she didn't post anything even vaguely anti Semitic on her facebook page. Livingstone has not said Hitler was pro Jewish,or whatever the second poster today said(I'm on my phone so hard to check with ease). He said that hitler was Zionist.he was wrong.he meant Eichmann.who was a Zionist.and an anti Semite. Ken saying that doesn't mean he's anti Semitic. Anti Semitic means anti Jewish. Zionist(or the moat popular meaning) means wanting to found a Jewish state or homeland.ie isreal. Eichmann investigates doing this in the early to.mid thirties,therefore he was unambiguously a zionist,yet at the same time being a disgusting anti Semite.the two things are not mutually exclusive.the words (semite/anti semite/zionist)have completely different meanings. Livingstone also said hitler went crazy and killed six million Jews.that in no way contradicts him saying that Hitler(when he meant Eichmann et al)was a Zionist." Shah said the Jews not zionists , she said what hitter did was legal. I have no problem in branding her an anti Semite nor do I have a problem calling Ken one. I am concerned why Corbyn seems very slow to act when confronted by racists in his party. | |||
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"Shah said Jews should be marched to the USA. That is anti Semitic. She should never been chosen to stand as an MP with those views. " I haven't seen that.i have only seen the image of what she posted on her facebook page,which made no mention of that. Where did she say the thing about marching? | |||
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"The context of the thread has(obviously)changed in light of comments and press respond today. Shah was anti israeli(government),as is the UN basically.she didn't post anything even vaguely anti Semitic on her facebook page. Livingstone has not said Hitler was pro Jewish,or whatever the second poster today said(I'm on my phone so hard to check with ease). He said that hitler was Zionist.he was wrong.he meant Eichmann.who was a Zionist.and an anti Semite. Ken saying that doesn't mean he's anti Semitic. Anti Semitic means anti Jewish. Zionist(or the moat popular meaning) means wanting to found a Jewish state or homeland.ie isreal. Eichmann investigates doing this in the early to.mid thirties,therefore he was unambiguously a zionist,yet at the same time being a disgusting anti Semite.the two things are not mutually exclusive.the words (semite/anti semite/zionist)have completely different meanings. Livingstone also said hitler went crazy and killed six million Jews.that in no way contradicts him saying that Hitler(when he meant Eichmann et al)was a Zionist." Well maybe Ken should learn his history. Hitler did not suddenly go crazy and turn on the Jews after 1932, he wrote a book about his feelings towards them in 1925 and it's quite clear. To say otherwise is a lie and one has to wonder what kind of politician feels a need to lie on behalf of Hitler. | |||
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"Oh for Christs sake he isn't,and wasn't anti Semitic.And neither were his comments. I'm almost getting annoyed. Saying hitler was a zionist? No. I'll informed people saying Corbyn is an anti semite.ridiculous. Who has said he was? Polka did just above my comment.as have others. No I never, you're beginning to make things up now. You said 'hr has long been regarding as an anti semite'. May not have been what you intended it to mean,but its very easy,looking at the phrasing and the semantics of the words used,ro not even have to think about inferring that you were indicating that you think he is an anti Semite. " Ken has long been regarded as an anti Semite. The clue about who I was referring to is in the thread title | |||
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"The context of the thread has(obviously)changed in light of comments and press respond today. Shah was anti israeli(government),as is the UN basically.she didn't post anything even vaguely anti Semitic on her facebook page. Livingstone has not said Hitler was pro Jewish,or whatever the second poster today said(I'm on my phone so hard to check with ease). He said that hitler was Zionist.he was wrong.he meant Eichmann.who was a Zionist.and an anti Semite. Ken saying that doesn't mean he's anti Semitic. Anti Semitic means anti Jewish. Zionist(or the moat popular meaning) means wanting to found a Jewish state or homeland.ie isreal. Eichmann investigates doing this in the early to.mid thirties,therefore he was unambiguously a zionist,yet at the same time being a disgusting anti Semite.the two things are not mutually exclusive.the words (semite/anti semite/zionist)have completely different meanings. Livingstone also said hitler went crazy and killed six million Jews.that in no way contradicts him saying that Hitler(when he meant Eichmann et al)was a Zionist. Shah said the Jews not zionists , she said what hitter did was legal. I have no problem in branding her an anti Semite nor do I have a problem calling Ken one. I am concerned why Corbyn seems very slow to act when confronted by racists in his party. " I may be missing comments from shah then in that case Would you please address my other comments in that post,which did after all make up the bulk of it but you haven't touched upon. | |||
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"Oh for Christs sake he isn't,and wasn't anti Semitic.And neither were his comments. I'm almost getting annoyed." his comments were crass, downright not necessary and inacurate given the nature of Naz Shah's comments what did he think he was doing..? he's been around long enough to know how to deflect a question or to answer it diplomatically given her pending investigation he should and could have done better.. | |||
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"Shock as socialist holds anti semetic views!! Why would socialists necessarily hold anti-semitic views? Indeed socialism has often (just as ridiculously) between described as a Zionist plot through history. Socialists have long held links with anti Semitic groups. This is not to say all socialists are anti Semitic but is is a believe that many of them hold. As have conservatives and a wide range of other ignorant cretins...?" Yes | |||
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"Shah said Jews should be marched to the USA. That is anti Semitic. She should never been chosen to stand as an MP with those views. Correct" this.. | |||
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"Shah said Jews should be marched to the USA. That is anti Semitic. She should never been chosen to stand as an MP with those views. Correct" She said it would save them pocket money. | |||
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"Shah said Jews should be marched to the USA. That is anti Semitic. She should never been chosen to stand as an MP with those views. " Yeah but look where she was standing. Can see why these views might be a vote winner there :p | |||
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"Shock as socialist holds anti semetic views!! Why would socialists necessarily hold anti-semitic views? Indeed socialism has often (just as ridiculously) between described as a Zionist plot through history. To paraphrase livingstone "Socialists should learn thier history" "Nice, trite and condescending answer which takes a fairly narrow interpretation of history to make a silly point. Thanks. | |||
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"Oh for Christs sake he isn't,and wasn't anti Semitic.And neither were his comments. I'm almost getting annoyed. Saying hitler was a zionist? No. I'll informed people saying Corbyn is an anti semite.ridiculous. Who has said he was? Polka did just above my comment.as have others. No I never, you're beginning to make things up now. You said 'hr has long been regarding as an anti semite'. May not have been what you intended it to mean,but its very easy,looking at the phrasing and the semantics of the words used,ro not even have to think about inferring that you were indicating that you think he is an anti Semite. Ken has long been regarded as an anti Semite. The clue about who I was referring to is in the thread title" Am I missing something(sincerely!)? The title of the thread is ken. The comment by you said that ken was anti Semitic. I pointed this out. You said you hadn't said he was anti semitic. I said you had.and qouted you saying so. You now say something nebulous about what the thread title is. You said he was anti Semitic,even though you then go on to say you hadn't. I'm saying you did. The thread title is both broadly relevant and irrelevant in the context of you stating your opinion that he is anti Semitic. | |||
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