FabSwingers.com forum: Britains Fattest Man

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Just watched it on CH4.

Surely the people who were feeding him during the last 8 years of his immobility have a lot to answer for!

XXXX

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yup

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Saw the trailer couldn't watch.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Indeed!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

i've not see it but some people at work were talking about it. the things this guy eats in a day are astounding - even i couldnt manage them

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By *ig badMan
over a year ago

Up North :-)

"Just watched it on CH4.

Surely the people who were feeding him during the last 8 years of his immobility have a lot to answer for!

XXXX"

Well thats what i was thinking. After all he can't get out of bed to get the food. Its a combination of poor willpower and poor help. The guy seems pretty depressed but not as much as the tax payer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Exactly with care costs of 700 pounds a week!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thay call it loving them ....... feeding them ........ I have seen it too on Tv and did think thay are the ones getting the food paying .. WHO are as much to blame for this.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Exactly with care costs of 700 pounds a week!"

Well when you put it like that, we reckon the carers had plenty of incentive to keep him well fed........Golden Goose and all that!

XXXX

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I read it in the paper and it was sad poor chap had tried to take his life a few times. But who do you blame? Him, his carers his family his doctor?

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By *ig badMan
over a year ago

Up North :-)

"Exactly with care costs of 700 pounds a week!

Well when you put it like that, we reckon the carers had plenty of incentive to keep him well fed........Golden Goose and all that!

XXXX"

Actually thats something i hadn't considered but it is a valid point. It doesn't benefit them him loosing weight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They did say his carers were no longer allowed to lift him out of bed health and safety, so before he was out of bed and then confided to bed I truly feel sorry for him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This was a very sad programme.

He had gone through a lot in his life and compensated with food as many do.

Very very sad and i hope that he gets back his life once he is healed and lost some weight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He's already lost lots of weight so there is hope

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By *ick and tockCouple
over a year ago

wigan

im sorry that that was sick how can u let your self get that big

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just watched it on CH4.

Surely the people who were feeding him during the last 8 years of his immobility have a lot to answer for!

XXXX"

Yep they probably do but while the guy is classed as sound of mind they have ta give him what he asks for because if they dont(and he cant get it himself) they are going against his human rights

Crazy world this xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I read it in the paper and it was sad poor chap had tried to take his life a few times. But who do you blame? Him, his carers his family his doctor?

him

we are all responsable for outselves, the food may have been bought to him but noone forced him to eat it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I felt sorry for him

its a form of self abuse really - and if he was doing that he would be in hospital getting treatment

have to say though i didnt like him much - condition and illness aside i thought he was a bad tempered selfish man

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By *edhotminxWoman
over a year ago

Turn left at the Singing Ringing Tree

Until someone wants to lose weight, they can't be helped - no matter what anyone else says to them about their health etc. Food is a drug and people become addicted to it.

I did chuckle to myself watching last night, when the man got his wheelchair, and after years of being housebound, the first place he visited was the local supermarket.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Until someone wants to lose weight, they can't be helped - no matter what anyone else says to them about their health etc. Food is a drug and people become addicted to it.

It must be bad for people who are addicted because it ruins your life when it affects your mobility. But like you say you have to want to loose it or it will never happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I laughed when he got into the ambulance to take him for surgery and he opened a pack of bacon sandwiches up for the ride - typical!

Didn't feel sorry for him at all, he seemed like a bit of an asshole, I've had days when I've eaten loads and thought 'fuck thats bad' but the thought of eating 20,000 calories is insane.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I laughed when he got into the ambulance to take him for surgery and he opened a pack of bacon sandwiches up for the ride - typical!

Didn't feel sorry for him at all, he seemed like a bit of an asshole, I've had days when I've eaten loads and thought 'fuck thats bad' but the thought of eating 20,000 calories is insane."

I watched it and it was shocking that he could actually eat so much. I think he had other problems beside the eating thing. It made me think about the different things people can get addicted to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

when did he last see his dick?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"when did he last see his dick?"

don't want to think about that one

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"when did he last see his dick?"

pretty sure that was low down on his list of worries

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"when did he last see his dick?

pretty sure that was low down on his list of worries

Well he struggled to get sat up so i think your right that was the least of his worries, poor bloke.

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

The trouble with food addiction is that with all other addictions you can live without them even though it can be a struggle

You have to eat to live

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The trouble with food addiction is that with all other addictions you can live without them even though it can be a struggle

You have to eat to live

I never though of that. Its not like alcohol where you can give it all up because you have to eat something.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I laughed when he got into the ambulance to take him for surgery and he opened a pack of bacon sandwiches up for the ride - typical!

Didn't feel sorry for him at all, he seemed like a bit of an asshole, I've had days when I've eaten loads and thought 'fuck thats bad' but the thought of eating 20,000 calories is insane."

I didnt find it funny in the least...

The guy has an addiction which is hard to deal with.

Walk a mile in his shoes and see how funny you think it is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I laughed when he got into the ambulance to take him for surgery and he opened a pack of bacon sandwiches up for the ride - typical!

Didn't feel sorry for him at all, he seemed like a bit of an asshole, I've had days when I've eaten loads and thought 'fuck thats bad' but the thought of eating 20,000 calories is insane.

I didnt find it funny in the least...

The guy has an addiction which is hard to deal with.

Walk a mile in his shoes and see how funny you think it is.

maybe he should walk a mile

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Again...........

Not in the least bit funny

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Again...........

Not in the least bit funny

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"I laughed when he got into the ambulance to take him for surgery and he opened a pack of bacon sandwiches up for the ride - typical!

Didn't feel sorry for him at all, he seemed like a bit of an asshole, I've had days when I've eaten loads and thought 'fuck thats bad' but the thought of eating 20,000 calories is insane.

I didnt find it funny in the least...

The guy has an addiction which is hard to deal with.

Walk a mile in his shoes and see how funny you think it is.

maybe he should walk a mile

oh you're a funny funny man

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if he wants to eat himself to death let him

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"if he wants to eat himself to death let him"

thinking of joining the samaritans are we deary???

why not see if something can be done to treat whatever is triggering the overeatig, and help him to lose weight and turn his life away

does someones life really mean that little to you?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

turn his life around!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Now see its THAT attitude that makes people with problems like the guy had, go hide away because they are ashamed and scared what people will say.

Hence the problem just gets bigger and bigger.

People with these sort of problems need help and not ridicule.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if he wants to eat himself to death let him

thinking of joining the samaritans are we deary???

why not see if something can be done to treat whatever is triggering the overeatig, and help him to lose weight and turn his life away

does someones life really mean that little to you?"

i think i need the samaritans myself.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"if he wants to eat himself to death let him

thinking of joining the samaritans are we deary???

why not see if something can be done to treat whatever is triggering the overeatig, and help him to lose weight and turn his life away

does someones life really mean that little to you?

i think i need the samaritans myself."

whys that???? come tell aunty evesham all abut it - see if i cant impart some kind words such as you have

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I laughed when he got into the ambulance to take him for surgery and he opened a pack of bacon sandwiches up for the ride - typical!

Didn't feel sorry for him at all, he seemed like a bit of an asshole, I've had days when I've eaten loads and thought 'fuck thats bad' but the thought of eating 20,000 calories is insane."

His behaviour indicates that he is not exactly good at thought and judgement.

This is not a university graduate, member of the judiciary or a religious icon that is being talked about. It's a man whose mental and emotional condition have ruined his life.

If you can claim to be totally disinterested and call him an asshole I'll take his company over yours any day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I laughed when he got into the ambulance to take him for surgery and he opened a pack of bacon sandwiches up for the ride - typical!

Didn't feel sorry for him at all, he seemed like a bit of an asshole, I've had days when I've eaten loads and thought 'fuck thats bad' but the thought of eating 20,000 calories is insane.

I didnt find it funny in the least...

The guy has an addiction which is hard to deal with.

Walk a mile in his shoes and see how funny you think it is.

maybe he should walk a mile

I think that at this stage of his realisation he would really like to walk a mile.

You enjoy exercise but use it to beat others with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if he wants to eat himself to death let him"

sorry was a bit hash must be hard for him.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

sometimes life deals you a deck that sadly, can take you to the depths of despair.. not just feeling down, a wee bit fed up but you lose all hope, rational thought and any self awareness. He may have been there, dont know... didnt see the programme.

All I hope for this gentleman is compassion, help and for him to realise it is recoverable.

He just needs to believe it.

good luck to him xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I laughed when he got into the ambulance to take him for surgery and he opened a pack of bacon sandwiches up for the ride - typical!

Didn't feel sorry for him at all, he seemed like a bit of an asshole, I've had days when I've eaten loads and thought 'fuck thats bad' but the thought of eating 20,000 calories is insane.

I didnt find it funny in the least...

The guy has an addiction which is hard to deal with.

Walk a mile in his shoes and see how funny you think it is.

Luckily we all have different senses of humour, I feel no sorrow for him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love this moral high ground stuff though, especially when its from people who have clearly never had a bad word to say about anybody! I bet theres plenty of 'addicts' you haven't felt sorry for.

As someone else mentioned before I did, he didn't appear to be a very nice man. I'd rather spend my time caring about someone with cancer, than someone who needs life saving treatment because they've eaten too much or an alcoholic who's needs a new liver because he's d*unken himself to death, etc, etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I laughed when he got into the ambulance to take him for surgery and he opened a pack of bacon sandwiches up for the ride - typical!

Didn't feel sorry for him at all, he seemed like a bit of an asshole, I've had days when I've eaten loads and thought 'fuck thats bad' but the thought of eating 20,000 calories is insane.

I didnt find it funny in the least...

The guy has an addiction which is hard to deal with.

Walk a mile in his shoes and see how funny you think it is.

Luckily we all have different senses of humour, I feel no sorrow for him."

Now see this post says a lot more about you than it does me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And again, all these 'documentaries' are fed off peoples lust for seeing some 'freaks' - channel 4 and 5 are notorious for it, whether its some baby with 8 arms, people with massive facial disfigurement, people with elephantiasis or a big fat man etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I laughed when he got into the ambulance to take him for surgery and he opened a pack of bacon sandwiches up for the ride - typical!

Didn't feel sorry for him at all, he seemed like a bit of an asshole, I've had days when I've eaten loads and thought 'fuck thats bad' but the thought of eating 20,000 calories is insane.

I didnt find it funny in the least...

The guy has an addiction which is hard to deal with.

Walk a mile in his shoes and see how funny you think it is.

Luckily we all have different senses of humour, I feel no sorrow for him.

Now see this post says a lot more about you than it does me.

Of course it would, it was a post by me, about me!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But like I said, everyone thinks they're a modern Florence Nightingale, never having a bad word to say about anyone - at least I'm not a hypocrite about it all.

Many of people saying how sad it all is and how you can't dislike the guy are the same people who'd complain that NHS funds were being used to treat smokers for cancer etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thank god we all dont think the same and have the same values .

some people are nice and some were born a**holes . thank god were all different

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thank god we all dont think the same and have the same values .

some people are nice and some were born a**holes . thank god were all different

If you'd of heard him reading the article from the newspaper, it would appear that most feel little sorrow for him.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

the only people I would consider being exempt from NHS treatment would be serial and child killers.

I am not a hypocrite... I try and have compassion for all who face some of lifes challenges... why.. because I have and was surrounded by love.

Thats why I made it back.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the only people I would consider being exempt from NHS treatment would be serial and child killers.

I am not a hypocrite... I try and have compassion for all who face some of lifes challenges... why.. because I have and was surrounded by love.

Thats why I made it back.

If someone hasn't be issued the death penalty though its within the governments duty to keep them alive - completely different ball game really and it shows the how certain 'topics' make people think/operate irrationally.

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By *iggles and BeardyCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

We are all victims of ourselves, if we are addicted to drugs we should blame ourselves, adicted to drink again ourselves, at to much that we are obese yep again blame ourselves.. it is far too easy to blame others like the person who sold it or introduced us or abused us.

People should take responsibility ffs and stop with all the "ohh i've had a hard life" crap

If the worlds to hard buy a bloody crash helmet!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We are all victims of ourselves, if we are addicted to drugs we should blame ourselves, adicted to drink again ourselves, at to much that we are obese yep again blame ourselves.. it is far too easy to blame others like the person who sold it or introduced us or abused us.

People should take responsibility ffs and stop with all the "ohh i've had a hard life" crap

If the worlds to hard buy a bloody crash helmet!"

certainly in the developed world there is no excuse. Sometimes I think a trip to see how some have to survive in the less fortunate parts of the globe might wake some up.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"the only people I would consider being exempt from NHS treatment would be serial and child killers.

I am not a hypocrite... I try and have compassion for all who face some of lifes challenges... why.. because I have and was surrounded by love.

Thats why I made it back.

thats why I said consider.

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By *iggles and BeardyCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

As to the less developed world, it's less developed due to the people can't be bothered to imporove it or simply have got to used to the rst of the world doing it for them.

Take the old "give a man a fish" idea.. if that man and his family have sat by a river for generations and not learn't to bloody fish, they deserve thiere place in life!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As to the less developed world, it's less developed due to the people can't be bothered to imporove it or simply have got to used to the rst of the world doing it for them.

Take the old "give a man a fish" idea.. if that man and his family have sat by a river for generations and not learn't to bloody fish, they deserve thiere place in life!

Guess you have travelled a bit thereabouts then. Should I "bow" to your experience.

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By *iggles and BeardyCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

No need to bow, It's my opinion, you can accept it or form you own opinion, thats the beauty of the world, we are responsible for ourselves.

Pity some would preffer to blame the rest of the world for how hard there life is or how it's turned out.

I have no sympathy for anyone who eats themselves to death, if he manages to loose it and live, fair enough.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Feel the love people........feel the love

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having watched the programme and also having had a lifelong battle with the bulge, (bulge is currently slightly ahead), I know it Is hard for people to understand the complex relationship that some people have with food.

The man featured was also having lots of mental issues dating back to his early twenties that were occurences that would try the very best of us.

He was also refused for surgery when he weighed 20 stone less, and at what cost to him, emotionally and us the taxpayer.

His surgeon said that the authorities had ultimately cost themselves more money by not dealing with it earlier, so nuff said on that score.

And as for the 'let him eat himself to death' comments, purile.

And imagine how isolated you would be if your only interactions, were with Paid carers who moved on when the cash cow was milked and no longer forthcoming, because he had to deal with that just after his op too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Having watched the programme and also having had a lifelong battle with the bulge, (bulge is currently slightly ahead), I know it Is hard for people to understand the complex relationship that some people have with food.

The man featured was also having lots of mental issues dating back to his early twenties that were occurences that would try the very best of us.

He was also refused for surgery when he weighed 20 stone less, and at what cost to him, emotionally and us the taxpayer.

His surgeon said that the authorities had ultimately cost themselves more money by not dealing with it earlier, so nuff said on that score.

And as for the 'let him eat himself to death' comments, purile.

totally agree but...

Me thinks that some of those posting with negative _iews dont give a shite.

Unless you have had to deal with said problem...you have no idea.

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"if he wants to eat himself to death let him"

Can't win really... you laugh regardless of what fat people do it seems.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

never met a person that was unimportant most of us need help at some point in our lives it may be food drink fags or sex addiction im trying to find a group for the later one lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"never met a person that was unimportant most of us need help at some point in our lives it may be food drink fags or sex addiction im trying to find a group for the later one lol"

oh we have little sex groups quite regularly, we find it helps.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No need to bow, It's my opinion, you can accept it or form you own opinion, thats the beauty of the world, we are responsible for ourselves.

Pity some would preffer to blame the rest of the world for how hard there life is or how it's turned out.

I have no sympathy for anyone who eats themselves to death, if he manages to loose it and live, fair enough."

hmmmm and we should always be careful not to burn our bridges.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

In all honesty, the ones we feel sorry for most are his mother.......who he literally ate out of house and home, forcing her to re mortgage her house to get the money to feed him and in the end having it re possessed.

And his sisters who's inheritance he ate!

He never worked so where did the money for this massive diet come from.....not from the £60 per week dole that a guy who'd worked but lost his job would receive I bet!

Shit happens to us all, deal with it in your own way, but don't expect others to fund the way you deal with it.

XXXX

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By *imal75Man
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

I have to agree with wiggleshappy. I love the comments and my thoughts are exactly the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In all honesty, the ones we feel sorry for most are his mother.......who he literally ate out of house and home, forcing her to re mortgage her house to get the money to feed him and in the end having it re possessed.

And his sisters who's inheritance he ate!

He never worked so where did the money for this massive diet come from.....not from the £60 per week dole that a guy who'd worked but lost his job would receive I bet!

Shit happens to us all, deal with it in your own way, but don't expect others to fund the way you deal with it.

XXXX"

didnt see it but just reading that theres no way id have done that for my child

If it came to me loosing my home he'd have been on a diet years ago lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

watched the programme,

Bloody grose to say the least.

can only say, when you have a pile of fruit balancing on your leg and yet still ignore the fruit and stuff the crap stuff down his throat what hope is there, even the care worker was giving him the high calorie food!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

some spiritual wisdom hereabouts ....and some egos, who it would appear have a meaningless opinion on something they really have no understanding of .......tis the foolish person who thinks that they are immune from getting a mental illness .....possibly the most vunerable ..paradoxically !!!

tis addiction and co dependence writ large ....a human story ....sad ...tragic ....x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've just read that he's suing the NHS for his weight gain because he went to them for help and his GP told him to excercise more!!! So it's not his fault he's fat!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its caled denial ...comes with the territory of addiction ....he needs help ...and those around him ...do we condemn others with illnesses other than addiction per se ....we try to understand and support .....as hard as the cost is ...the alternative doesn`t reflect a civilised society ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"some spiritual wisdom hereabouts ....and some egos, who it would appear have a meaningless opinion on something they really have no understanding of .......tis the foolish person who thinks that they are immune from getting a mental illness .....possibly the most vunerable ..paradoxically !!!

tis addiction and co dependence writ large ....a human story ....sad ...tragic ....x"

Wise words and certainly appropriate to the thread,,,, As are the many valid comments raised questioning the actions of the people who provide and serve this man the unquestionably unhealthy amount of food he has been allowed to consume leading towards his present state, Thus these very people who are supposedly provide him with a duty of care have failed that duty in feeding his addiction.

Mental illness is very broad topic with infinite variation of cause and effect, and some but not all addictions are included in the category of metal illness, But non of these conditions that are curable by allowing the sufferer to continue with behavioural dependency libel to culminate in self harm….. so adopting a line of sympathetic tolerance and is not always appropriate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can feel sorry for people like that, it is an adiction which is very hard to break, in the end you form a relationship with what ever you are adicted to.

I don't drink anymore, because many years ago, I had some personal problems and hit the bottle, at first it was to forget what had happened, then it was to get me out of the house and into society again, but it got to the stage where it was to face the world, it was my friend, always there when I wanted or needed it, didn't judge, or comment.

I got help, but having been there and hit the bottom I can see and understand how easy it is for someone to get in that situation.

You can not judge unless you know what it is like

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over a year ago

yes ...I would agree with that .......tis enablement of his `carers` that have contributed to his present predicament ........family dynamics of codependency are liable to be wildly out of control if they ain`t assisted in a wise course of intervention .......appropriately the best kind of love is to show someone the door , with a "don`t grace my door till you change" aphorism ringing in their ears!!....allowing them the chance to assume responsiility ....and abandon victimhood .....but this is extremely complex ...families ....addiction .....but thanks for your thoughtful contribution ....x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

tis addiction and co dependence writ large ....a human story ....sad ...tragic ....x

Some years ago whilst working with someone who was mentally disabled but able to live alone with support.

He smoked and would chain smoke and ..when doing his shopping with him he would also buy packs of cakes and then proceed to eat them all in one go.

Anyways.

We as support workers were very concerned about the smoking side of things as he had emphasemia BUT. we were not allowed to interfere with his choice.

If he wanted to smoke himself to death we couldnt stop him.

We constantly argued with those above to no avail. it was his basic human rights. etc.

That man is now dead because of.

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over a year ago

although intended to make the world a better place, the human rights act is one of the worst pieces of legislation ever written, it allows people to hide behind it, and prevents you from doing what is right.

Is it not time for common sense to rule and PC to be put where it belongs, back in the hands of the people

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over a year ago

Thats a terribly frustrating and debillitating situation Peaches .....one I`ve encountered before !!!...unfortunately theres lots of examples of mixed priorities .....a lack of coherence ......but we`re talking humans .....highly irrational lol...but must of hurt you , the powerlessness !!!..x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It sure did so i can understand the frustrations of this mans carers...

yess you want to help and give him a lower calorie meal. Feed him good things etc.

But if that man wants the other stuff, you are powerless to do anything about it.

And thats because social services spout on about human rights etc.

To do what you wanted to do because of his failing health would mean making him a ward of court. And the ss wont go that route.

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over a year ago

good food for thought Peaches ...just opens up on the complexities of the situation really .....as in most cases of ` media stories` we get sloppy journalism and soundbites ....stereotypes ....yeah , the checks n balances are awry eh !!!.....seems society is tying itself in knots with this and that ....x

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By *enderbycoupleCouple
over a year ago

derbyshire or localish

nobody forced him to shove all that food down his throat,,hes fucking disgusting and a huge burden to taxpayers...

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over a year ago

"nobody forced him to shove all that food down his throat,,hes fucking disgusting and a huge burden to taxpayers..."

Oh well dont hold back, say what your thinking.

Feel the love people...feel the love

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By *enderbycoupleCouple
over a year ago

derbyshire or localish

yeah well,,you have a choice in life,,live healthy and look after youself or do what he did,,,normal people dont do what he did.

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over a year ago

Till we find someone in our family falls prey to a health situation ...I guess !!!!

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over a year ago

"yeah well,,you have a choice in life,,live healthy and look after youself or do what he did,,,normal people dont do what he did."

"Normal" ...ffs

This guy has an addiction.

You could say we on this site aint normal because of what we do.

Doesnt give anyone the right to say its "ffffing disgusting"

Show a little comapssion eh....one day it may just be a family member of your who has the same problem.

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over a year ago

"yeah well,,you have a choice in life,,live healthy and look after youself or do what he did,,,normal people dont do what he did.

"Normal" ...ffs

This guy has an addiction.

You could say we on this site aint normal because of what we do.

Doesnt give anyone the right to say its "ffffing disgusting"

Show a little comapssion eh....one day it may just be a family member of your who has the same problem.

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here here

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By *enderbycoupleCouple
over a year ago

derbyshire or localish

no compasion here,,he said himself in the programme he was eating himself to death and didnt care,,his words.

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over a year ago

"yeah well,,you have a choice in life,,live healthy and look after youself or do what he did,,,normal people dont do what he did.

"Normal" ...ffs

This guy has an addiction.

You could say we on this site aint normal because of what we do.

Doesnt give anyone the right to say its "ffffing disgusting"

Show a little comapssion eh....one day it may just be a family member of your who has the same problem.

here here"

Please forgive spelling mistakes....

I got quite irate then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

but when you have an addiction like that you do not care, I know coz I have been there, like him, I got help and beat it, it was fucking hard, there were times when I wanted to die.

As I said before do not judge till you have been there.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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"but when you have an addiction like that you do not care, I know coz I have been there, like him, I got help and beat it, it was fucking hard, there were times when I wanted to die.

As I said before do not judge till you have been there."

Like you say... he didn't care about what he was doing to himslef... so is it so surprising when other people don't?

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over a year ago

One thing i cant stand is "holier than thow" people.

If it was so easy to put right i thinks the world wouldnt have the problems its having now with obesity .

Some think its a case of eat less and all will be well.

Forgetting that you have to deal with the cause first.

Then heal the body.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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Let's not forget... it's compassion that's been feeding him ever since he couldn't get his arse out of bed.

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over a year ago

"but when you have an addiction like that you do not care, I know coz I have been there, like him, I got help and beat it, it was fucking hard, there were times when I wanted to die.

As I said before do not judge till you have been there.

Like you say... he didn't care about what he was doing to himslef... so is it so surprising when other people don't?"
I understand that, why should anyone have any sympathy for some one who has inflicted this on his self, and every one is entitled to their own opinion. sadly though most of us will ignore any cry for help, because we have our own issues to deal with, it is far easier to "let someone else deal with it",

yes it was his choice to do what he did at first, but then it gets out of control and he no longer has a choice.

it is just I don't think you can sit in judgement of someone else because it is not something you yourself would do.

You would have no sympathy if you say a junkie on the street, but you don't know what put them there in the first place, most people would cross the street without even thinking about it

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over a year ago

ah jeez!!! I remember when a family friend had post natal depression ......we didn`t condemn ....I didn`t quite understand ....she oft said she wanted to kill herslf ...fortunately being of sound mind we didn`t allow such irrational thoughts , ideas , comments to alter our commitment to support , seek help for her!!! .....if we paid heed to her ramblings . she`d well....jeez!!!..fortunately shes very happy now ...a temporary abberation ....thank god we detached ourselves from the ramblings of someone who wasn`t of sound mind!!! A useful trait to acquire methinks !!!..x

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"ah jeez!!! I remember when a family friend had post natal depression ......we didn`t condemn ....I didn`t quite understand ....she oft said she wanted to kill herslf ...fortunately being of sound mind we didn`t allow such irrational thoughts , ideas , comments to alter our commitment to support , seek help for her!!! .....if we paid heed to her ramblings . she`d well....jeez!!!..fortunately shes very happy now ...a temporary abberation ....thank god we detached ourselves from the ramblings of someone who wasn`t of sound mind!!! A useful trait to acquire methinks !!!..x"
you talk about sound mind on here!!????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A temporary loss of sanity

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

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"A temporary loss of sanity

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I thought so

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I reside by Lake Bewildered ...slubbering over the fire

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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yes it was his choice to do what he did at first, but then it gets out of control and he no longer has a choice.

I disagree.

At first it probably wasn't his choice, because he wouldn't have been aware he had to make a choice... just excuses to himself about having to buy bigger clothes and so on.

But between then and now, there would have been many points when his choices would have been explained, points in his life when he did make a choice.

You don't get from buying clothes at Jacamo to having to have your pants specially made without some intervention.

However, my disgust and antipathy is for those who aided him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He made a conscious choice to go on eating when he persuaded his mother to re-mortgage the house to fund his eating,and she subsequently had it repossessed.

That's why his family and many friends have nothing to do with him and showed no support.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Addiction is primarily a family illness , they ( the family )are rarely are given good advice , in respect to how to deal with themselves and reactions , emotions, DENIAL....and the person in addiction ......left to muddle their way thru !! And get lost too!!!..fear twists the mind ....and makes peeps do really irrational things ..like feeding someone ?....Its a lack of resources ...the knowledge is there to assist everyone!!! ....but lead a horse to water et al .......I`ve seen family member sabotage an addicts recovery because they themselves are in an addiction ..........both need help ?

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over a year ago

A conscious choice?....hardly appropiatte? ......he`s barking mad surely !!!and utterly selfish , but again, thats common in his illness!!!...calling a spade a spade !!!

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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"......he`s barking mad surely !!!and utterly selfish "

I would have thought you could only be one or the other. For someone to be utterly selfish implies cognition ... to be barking mad does not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've just read that he's suing the NHS for his weight gain because he went to them for help and his GP told him to excercise more!!! So it's not his fault he's fat!!!

I read that too,and I am with his doctor on that one

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over a year ago

"A conscious choice?....hardly appropiatte? ......he`s barking mad surely !!!and utterly selfish , but again, thats common in his illness!!!...calling a spade a spade !!!"

He admitted during the programme he had no money coming in so persuaded his mother to re-mortgage because he wanted the money for food, knowing that he would not be able to pay back the mortgage.

I think he had the choice then to take his 'addiction' in hand and seek help. He was hoping to commit suicide from eating, but eventually conceded it was too slow a death.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

its rather like the `cloud of unknowing ` isn`t it?.....a flimsy veil fluttering in the breeze o consciousness .....we` ain`t really dealing with a sane person is all thats required .....we could argue the toss of pyschology ...last time I looked there was 27 schools of Fruedian pyschiatry alone ...we won`t mention the others lol....addicts are always selfish tho eh !!...I know nothing about the story really ...I don`t do the news etc, soundbites et al ..x

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By *ouplefunukCouple
over a year ago

North Bristol

For goodness sake. So many saying be sympathetic. Why? It's people being sympathetic that got him where he was - instead of telling it to him like it is.

Not his fault? Whose fault was it then pray tell? NO ONE these days takes responsibility for their actions. It's always someone elses fault.

There HAD to be a single point, just once where that guy looked in the mirror and thought this isn't right, I need to stop this. And he didn't.

Many of us can tell a story about how hard done by we've been and how that meant we developed an addiction and woe is me and it isn't my fault, but it doesn't give us the right to burden the taxpayer to such a huge extent. Some of us looked at our situations, took responsibility for ourselves and dealt with it. It wasn't just himself he was damaging don't forget.

I have NOTHING against larger people, at all, but he was just taking the piss. As someone else has said, he didn't want to help himself, so why does he deserve anyones sympathy? Pure selfish he was.

*Her*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you talk from a rational _iewpoint of choices !!!!! I think we can agee he had an opportunity to make better ones .......its the complexity o the situation that oft prohibits wise choices !!!!....we`ll be talking bout free will in a mo hahaha ..x

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over a year ago

hahaha ...you`ll find sympathy tween shit and syphillis in my dictionary !!!!!...I`m a believer in tough love and woe betide victims near me , however an understanding of addiction needs to be considered .....I think many who hven`t experienced a sever mental illness, can`t really understand this subject

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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I like to believe an insane person would have been sectioned for their own protection... and thus fed appropriate meals.... so I guess it's a shame he isn't.

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over a year ago

"I like to believe an insane person would have been sectioned for their own protection... and thus fed appropriate meals.... so I guess it's a shame he isn't."

Yep they limit my meals xx

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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"hahaha ...you`ll find sympathy tween shit and syphillis in my dictionary !!!!!...I`m a believer in tough love and woe betide victims near me , however an understanding of addiction needs to be considered .....I think many who hven`t experienced a sever mental illness, can`t really understand this subject

A mental illness with severe consequence should never be confused with a severe mental illness.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

at the end of the day, we all have an opinion and a right to voice it, this man was let down by the system, his family and friends, wether you think it was his fault or not is up to you.

I just hope that you don't find yourself dealing with a family member with an addiction, you come out realising how hard it is, for them and for you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yeah , but its the devils job trying to get someone sectioned !!!! ...can`t section an alcoholic easily ?....soon as they`re dried out ...they`re deemed compos mentis and released to the supermarket .......its a challenging situation .......lots of hurt to countless peeps ....prolly all contributing somehow to the sum total .....its a human story ...messy !!!...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Without wishing to descend the thread towards uncharted depths of irreverent idiom…. And purely in an effort to enlist a token gesture of brevity to this otherwise fascinating debate,,,

Does anyone ant to join me in a rousing chorus of….. Who ate all the pies… sheeezzzzz …. nope …alright then….. I didn’t think yuz wud…. Sigh……

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the thread petains to this mans illness ...and the obvious consequences its had for himself , family , friends , society ...........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The ability to laugh is oft considered healthy tehe ......esp at oneself

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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"The ability to laugh is oft considered healthy tehe ......esp at oneself

If he could laugh it off he wouldn't have a problem... fuck me I'd be like a rake if you could laugh it off.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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"at the end of the day, we all have an opinion and a right to voice it, this man was let down by the system, his family and friends, wether you think it was his fault or not is up to you.

I just hope that you don't find yourself dealing with a family member with an addiction, you come out realising how hard it is, for them and for you."

I do love (not) the blanket approach of all addictions and addicts are equal.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"A conscious choice?....hardly appropiatte? ......he`s barking mad surely !!!and utterly selfish , but again, thats common in his illness!!!...calling a spade a spade !!!

He admitted during the programme he had no money coming in so persuaded his mother to re-mortgage because he wanted the money for food, knowing that he would not be able to pay back the mortgage.

I think he had the choice then to take his 'addiction' in hand and seek help. He was hoping to commit suicide from eating, but eventually conceded it was too slow a death. "

Well if he'd tried to commit suicide by starvation, his mother would still have a home,his sisters their inheritance and chances are he'd have thrown in the towel and got help and been a lot slimmer and healthier today.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Probally right !!!!....high pitched squeels are said to work ...amidst the moans o rapiscious rhapsody

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"yeah well,,you have a choice in life,,live healthy and look after youself or do what he did,,,normal people dont do what he did."

Aaaah but normal people do!

What turns a quick half after work into needing a shot to get up in the morning?

What turns a little puff of wacky backy at the end of the week into breaking into houses to feed your £500 a day crack habit?

What turns a steak bake with your cheese sarnie from Greggs into family buckets of KFC for brekkie til you can't move out of your bed.

Addiction! Addiction that affects NORMAL people!

Personally, I didn't have much sympathy for him - he wasn't a likeable man, and the fact he's suing the NHS hasn't endeared him to me, but I do recognise addiction and can only say "but for the grace of God..."

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over a year ago

"at the end of the day, we all have an opinion and a right to voice it, this man was let down by the system, his family and friends, wether you think it was his fault or not is up to you.

I just hope that you don't find yourself dealing with a family member with an addiction, you come out realising how hard it is, for them and for you."

I know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If......is a poem by Rudyard Kipling ......somewhat germane to the convo tehe ...x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you`ve a handle on it ....yup !!!..x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Addiction has common elements , wouldn`t you agree?....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think its worth pointing out that an addiction involving food Is Different to other addictions, because you can't just stop completely like you can with drugs or booze.

Food addiction is possibly harder, like saying okay you aren't gonna give up the heroin, just halve your dosage!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

got to be the hardest addiction to recover from ?.......how to get balance must be terrible ..x

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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"I think its worth pointing out that an addiction involving food Is Different to other addictions, because you can't just stop completely like you can with drugs or booze.

Food addiction is possibly harder, like saying okay you aren't gonna give up the heroin, just halve your dosage!"

Isn't that how a methadone programme works? (though not cutting it by half in one go obviously)

Could it be looked at another way... it's not as hard because you don't have to give it up totally. You don't have to say (and come to terms with) "I will never have the feeling I enjoyed so much again"

Drink and drug addictions are also different because it is not just the bodies own chemicals you have to deal with.... you also have to deal with the mind altering effects of the substance... double trouble.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

room fer discussion and thought

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over a year ago

"I think its worth pointing out that an addiction involving food Is Different to other addictions, because you can't just stop completely like you can with drugs or booze.

Food addiction is possibly harder, like saying okay you aren't gonna give up the heroin, just halve your dosage!

Isn't that how a methadone programme works? (though not cutting it by half in one go obviously)

I think you have totally missed the point I was trying to make.

I wasn't saying it should be halved, or using Heroin as a specific example. Its more like the idea, of saying to an addict, just be a little less addicted, please.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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"I think its worth pointing out that an addiction involving food Is Different to other addictions, because you can't just stop completely like you can with drugs or booze.

Food addiction is possibly harder, like saying okay you aren't gonna give up the heroin, just halve your dosage!

Isn't that how a methadone programme works? (though not cutting it by half in one go obviously)

I think you have totally missed the point I was trying to make.

I wasn't saying it should be halved, or using Heroin as a specific example. Its more like the idea, of saying to an addict, just be a little less addicted, please."

I get the point... and I appreciate the brown was just an example. and I was just using the same example to show other addicts do have to go through just that.... with the added draw back of additional chemicals to deal with.

Dealing with food addiction is about reprogramming the brain, not removing the substance.

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over a year ago

Which is why it Is different to other addictions as it Is possible never to have them again. Not so, with food.

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over a year ago

ain`t we fogetting dopamines here tho!!!!......pleasure centres that the food addict has to endure every time they have a bite !!!.....I take both of your points tbh.....might be silly o us to compare one against the other ...mabye!!!!....personally I think by making a desicion o total abstinence is prolly easier ..tho tis true the mind altering effcts of long term drug abuse leave scars the food addict doesn`t comprehend....

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

*steps gingerly into thread*

Having watched the thread at a distance for a day or so and noted the passion in the debate with interest, I would say that a fair amount of the discussion re whether and how much this man should be helped, and by whom, basically boils down to this;

Should the state intervene in this mans life and 'save him from himself' or not?

It's a tricky question, because it is very difficult to balance the freedom of the individual with the need to do something about their situation.

On balance however, I would have to say no, the state should not intervene.

This can & will lead to tragic cases such as the man in the documentary, but that, on the whole, is more desirable than living in a 'top down' command society where 'good', 'bad', 'right' and 'wrong' are decided by policy makers.

Millions of people make all sorts of choices and decisions about their lives on a daily basis. Not everyone gets it right. In fact, a lot of people get it wrong.

But you can't save everyone. And you can't tell people how to live their lives, only give them advice and guidance as to the choices they have to make, and the consequences of making them.

Who is to say when and how, something should have been done for this man, and by whom?

The only other thing I would add is that if the man is taking legal action against the NHS, then it's a sad reflection of the times and society we live in.

*steps back out*

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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"Which is why it Is different to other addictions as it Is possible never to have them again. Not so, with food."

I agree addictions are different... otherwise it's like saying apples and oranges are the same because they are both fruit.

I disagree that food addiction is harder to deal with because you can't give up food.

I would have quoted the others who said it also, but yours was at the bottom.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In which case, Polo, we will have to agree to disagree!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

please be assured you`re treated with the merit your thoughtful post provided to at least me ......yes .....its a victimhood culture alright ...one Ammericanism we should give straight back ....and yeah ,to a bottom up society....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

But surely he's only addicted to food because society makes him able to afford it.

If they cut his money to permit him the 500 calories a day - the minimum needed to sustain human life - as he was given in hospital, then he'd have to lose weight.

It's only because the welfare state gives him the money to feed his addiction, no pun intended, that he can do it.

His 20,000 calorie a day diet must have cost a fortune.

If he didn't have the government hand outs he could hardly squeeze through your kitchen window to raid your fridge could he?

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By *enderbycoupleCouple
over a year ago

derbyshire or localish

and for all those playing the sympathy card for him....maybe youd all like to club together and repay the NHS the £100,000 (hundred thousand)A YEAR its cost to keep him alive...money that could and should have been spent on more deserving cases,,ie cancer patients and the like.

no???? thought not.i rest my case.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We waste millions a year by keeping rapists, murderers and paedos in utter luxury otherwise known as prison.

Simple solution...

Put them all down like the dogs they are and put that money to the nhs.

Problem solved

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"We waste millions a year by keeping rapists, murderers and paedos in utter luxury otherwise known as prison.

Simple solution...

Put them all down like the dogs they are and put that money to the nhs.

Problem solved

Sounds about right to us!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"and for all those playing the sympathy card for him....maybe youd all like to club together and repay the NHS the £100,000 (hundred thousand)A YEAR its cost to keep him alive...money that could and should have been spent on more deserving cases,,ie cancer patients and the like.

no???? thought not.i rest my case."

You never put a case forward but thanks for the smile x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Or better still use them instead of animals for medical testing, kinder to the animals and we still get to advance science!

Just a step away from the Nazi experiments, methinks?

Inflammatory, yes, but it proves that if you take an idea to extremes it becomes ridiculous?

Like letting a man down because he is not conforming physically, or psychologically to what society expects from him.

He needed help, he got help, it saved his life.

And what price can you actually put on a human life?

Now imagine its your life and answer the same question!

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By *enderbycoupleCouple
over a year ago

derbyshire or localish

too many people chatting shit! he didnt deserve the chance of life,,he did what he did to himself,,he made him what he is,,no one forced him did they!! stop chatting shit and be real,,hes a fucking waste of space,taxpayers money,vital NHS money..all wasted cos one selfish piece of shit couldnt stop filling his face..unless you saw the programme...the facts stop chatting shite! he needs to fuck off and die the selfless twat.ive lost people through illnesses such as cancer,,had the nhs had the funds they may have had a better chance,,but no,,this useless piece if shite gets hundreds of thousands spent on him by the taxpayer and nhs and people are playing him the sympathy card...get fucking real.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Or better still use them instead of animals for medical testing, kinder to the animals and we still get to advance science!"

I've often thought that.....what works on them would work on us.........and animals are innocent afterall.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gulp

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"too many people chatting shit! he didnt deserve the chance of life,,he did what he did to himself,,he made him what he is,,no one forced him did they!! stop chatting shit and be real,,hes a fucking waste of space,taxpayers money,vital NHS money..all wasted cos one selfish piece of shit couldnt stop filling his face..unless you saw the programme...the facts stop chatting shite! he needs to fuck off and die the selfless twat.ive lost people through illnesses such as cancer,,had the nhs had the funds they may have had a better chance,,but no,,this useless piece if shite gets hundreds of thousands spent on him by the taxpayer and nhs and people are playing him the sympathy card...get fucking real."

oh dearie me.. @ fuck off and die.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

and you may mean selfish twat

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

If someone asks for help to save their life morally I believe the NHS should help.

Sadly, not all who ask for help are given it. The price which NICE and PCT's put on life is often less than £10,000 per year, when they refuse to allow proven medication to be prescribed.

So I have to look at people who have repeatedly been offered help and turned it down and wonder why they now deserve it; when others are fighting tooth and nail against a ticking clock to get the funding to keep them alive. People with families, with children, with everything to live for and a stack of letters says 'No it costs too much... you're treatment will reduce the number of other people we will be able to help'.

Sometimes, someone, somewhere has to make a call on where the money is spent.

I know there isn't enough money to fund the number of premature baby untis needed year... babies die through lack of funding.

Given the choice between giving a 5 mothers with cancer 2 more years with her children, giving one more premature baby the life saving care it needs or helping a man who turned down help time and time again... the only tough choice is between the first two.

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Glad to see the thread turning into a reasoned debate about the difficult choices faced under terrible circumstances.

And not a slanging match for people who make the Daily Mail look like the Morning Star.

Jesus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Glad to see the thread turning into a reasoned debate about the difficult choices faced under terrible circumstances.

And not a slanging match for people who make the Daily Mail look like the Morning Star.

Jesus."

Never knew your name was Jesus ....

Didn't you do sommat with five fish and a crusty roll ... you've got a sick history with food ....hmmmmmmmm What's the water like in your house?

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By *enderbycoupleCouple
over a year ago

derbyshire or localish

lol granny.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

C'monnnnnnnn I know that's Jeremy Paxman in there ....

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Glad to see the thread turning into a reasoned debate about the difficult choices faced under terrible circumstances.

And not a slanging match for people who make the Daily Mail look like the Morning Star.

Jesus.

Never knew your name was Jesus ....

Didn't you do sommat with five fish and a crusty roll ... you've got a sick history with food ....hmmmmmmmm What's the water like in your house?"

I'll turn the water into wine, and feed the five thousand.

It's easy.

Because i'm a fictional character.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

Never knew your name was Jesus ....

Didn't you do sommat with five fish and a crusty roll ......"

If he can still do that trick , I might know someone who'll be interested.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cheaper to operate on him than to continue to provide care so hush about the op already ....

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

Never knew your name was Jesus ....

Didn't you do sommat with five fish and a crusty roll ......

If he can still do that trick , I might know someone who'll be interested."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can turn wine into water.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

I am ashamed to stand in almost the same corner.

Whilst I have posted about hard cash choices needing to be made and this guy's case being a fairly easy one from my point of _iew (when you look at some of the people who don't get the care they need).... I could add a lot more people to the list below him... people without any real addiction or mental illness (allegedly) who repeatedly role the crap dice on the table and expect the NHS to be their for them when it all goes tits-up.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

As an after thought, I guess that also applies to smokers like myself..... but then again I bet I've paid close to a £100,000 in fag duty.... if it was all in today's money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Feeling the love here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was shocked at how much he was eating. So many calories and next to no exercise. I would think he has seriously damaged his organs and will never recover his full health. It's a very tragic situation all round.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The impression I got of the guy is that he came across as extremely condescending and very selfish... but then I haven't had to live in his body all these years and I've seen enough of the gluttony programmes to know that there is a tipping point from which there is often no way back. The poster above who said 'fuck off and die' may well get his wish as this chap won't see too many more Christmases even WITH treatment from the NHS. His body must be under enormous strain and has been so for years. I pity the guy tbh, the same as I'd pity anyone who lets their body/life become so off-kilter that they end up like that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

what alot of people have overlooked is that he plans to sue the nhs, he says that he will donate the money to charity he just wants to prove his point, surely this cant be alowed the he has cost the nhs enough and im sure he would need legal aid.

right or wrong he has nobody else to blaim for this in the same way any addict has only themselves to blame, im a smoker and yes its my fault.....

am i the only one to admit im at fault and that its not everyone elses problem to deal with it, and before people say i will in time be a drain on the nhs also, ive payed more in duty on my cigs than it will ever cost to help me.

the no blame culture in this country makes me sick

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are a couple of other things to put in to the equation, too. First is to remember it is a programme maker's job to manipulate the audience and while the person featured can't be grossly misrepresented- thanks to the precedent set by Ron on Castaway- they can be creatively edited. How much haS anyone been affected by this in this case? Second is the Media in general's attitude to overweight people. If I were a smoker I could access tea, classes, patches, sympathy and help to mend my ways. All I get for being fat is representation on the telly of obese women wearing midrif tanktops, serious, stern voice-overs saying how much we cost the NHS and responsibility for the inferred banckrupy and no help at all. Most overweight people in this culture WANT to be thinner but there are a myriad of social and psychological issues that need changed. It's not as simple as ' fat git deserves to die without help.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've never smoked, rarely drink, and have never taken drugs. All 3 of the above people use for recreation, turn to for emotional reason or as a response to something that has happened in their lives. If they went and asked the doctor for help they would receive councelling, programmes, and patches or althernative drugs such as methedone.

However, I turned to food when my brother died and then within weeks my husband left and put on weight. When I went to the doctor for help to loose weigh I got buggar all but a badly photocopied diet sheet and told to get some willpower.

Food can be as much of an addiction as any other substance you put in your body and there are usually underlying emotional reasons for the addiction. But it is not seen as an addicion by society.

When you are a drug addict or a smoker when you give up you have made the choice to never again put that substance in your body ever again. And good on those people that do.

With food you can't make that choice as you cannot ever not put food in your system again or you will starve.

You don't get the support groups offered or the alternative drugs or patches.

You don't get offered counselling to get to help with the underlying reasons you have turned to food. An you have to face your food addiction everytime you eat anything.

So to those smokers or drug addicts that judge us larger people remember how you feel when you try to give up something that your mind and body is addicted to.

Remember you don't know the reason why we turned to food like we dont know the reasons behind you pumping chemicals into your bodies.

Positive help is better than judging and critisising.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely agree with you. Everyone can make the choice not to do drugs or smoke. Everyone HAS to eat. There's the problem.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Absolutely agree with you. Everyone can make the choice not to do drugs or smoke. Everyone HAS to eat. There's the problem. "

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

folkestone

Is the example of how large this guy got, a modern day thing? or have there been examples of people getting this large a hundred years ago?.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i live in fattest part of europe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Absolutely agree with you. Everyone can make the choice not to do drugs or smoke. Everyone HAS to eat. There's the problem.

Plenty of people use recreational drugs and/or smoke a few cigarettes each day - and then some people abuse themselves by excessive drug use or smoke 60/day - over-eating and gluttony is no different."
. Well it is if you have an eating disorder, since coming off drugs/drink/smoking can involve abstinence, counseling, or substitution with the aim of complete remission. How hard do you think it is for a person with an eating disorder to still have to be involved, handle, cook and eat the very stuff that's killing them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i live in fattest part of europe

Upeurone?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Absolutely agree with you. Everyone can make the choice not to do drugs or smoke. Everyone HAS to eat. There's the problem.

Plenty of people use recreational drugs and/or smoke a few cigarettes each day - and then some people abuse themselves by excessive drug use or smoke 60/day - over-eating and gluttony is no different.. Well it is if you have an eating disorder, since coming off drugs/drink/smoking can involve abstinence, counseling, or substitution with the aim of complete remission. How hard do you think it is for a person with an eating disorder to still have to be involved, handle, cook and eat the very stuff that's killing them? "

The term 'eating disorder' was coined simply to put a health defintion to something to make people who stuff their faces to excess feel better about themselves.

A person, such as the subject in the OP of this thread, knows full well that gorging themselves on a daily basis on not good for them yet they continue to do it anyway. The same as an habitual drug user sticks needles in his veins who knows what he's doing could kill him. It's no disorder at all - it's simply a weak person unwilling to exercise a little control over the urges and impulses that most people have no problem with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Absolutely agree with you. Everyone can make the choice not to do drugs or smoke. Everyone HAS to eat. There's the problem.

Plenty of people use recreational drugs and/or smoke a few cigarettes each day - and then some people abuse themselves by excessive drug use or smoke 60/day - over-eating and gluttony is no different.. Well it is if you have an eating disorder, since coming off drugs/drink/smoking can involve abstinence, counseling, or substitution with the aim of complete remission. How hard do you think it is for a person with an eating disorder to still have to be involved, handle, cook and eat the very stuff that's killing them?

The term 'eating disorder' was coined simply to put a health defintion to something to make people who stuff their faces to excess feel better about themselves.

Unable

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Unable "

I thought about using that word instead of 'unwilling' but decided against it as it could have been misconstrued as unable=disabled=disorder.

So I used unwilling instead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

some peeps obviously have no grasp o the paradoxical nature o life.......

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Is the example of how large this guy got, a modern day thing? or have there been examples of people getting this large a hundred years ago?. "

In Georgian times it became fashionable, for the gentry, to be fat.

It was a sign that you were rich, a show of wealth, especially if you had a fat wife, it meant you could afford to feed someone else as well as yourself, to the point of corpulence.

"Wow, look at them fat buggers, bet they've got a few bob!", that type of thing.

I do know this though, when we were at school, we maybe had a couple of fat girls and a couple of fat boys.

These days its probably 50/50!

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

folkestone

"Is the example of how large this guy got, a modern day thing? or have there been examples of people getting this large a hundred years ago?.

In Georgian times it became fashionable, for the gentry, to be fat.

It was a sign that you were rich, a show of wealth, especially if you had a fat wife, it meant you could afford to feed someone else as well as yourself, to the point of corpulence.

"Wow, look at them fat buggers, bet they've got a few bob!", that type of thing.

I do know this though, when we were at school, we maybe had a couple of fat girls and a couple of fat boys.

These days its probably 50/50!

XXXX"

Yes i think your right, as i remember watching a programme where the cases of people suffering from Gout was very high in the georgian times because of the amount of rich food they eat. I guess they would be looking at a maximum of around 30 -35 stone of the most fattest person - i can't imagine you got many 60 stone people around then.

Are there countries where this sort of thing would never happen(other than the 3rd world)?

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By *edhotminxWoman
over a year ago

Turn left at the Singing Ringing Tree

In some African countries they 'fatten' up the girls for marriage, as it's a sign of how well the tribe are doing, as food is a precious commodity.

We, as a Society, are getting bigger. However when babies are born, they are all of an average size - we teach our children bad habits. If you feel down, have a bit of chocolate. If you want a treat, buy yourself that cream cake. A child's having a tantrum, give them a biscuit, ice cream, bag of crisps to shut them up. You're having a bad day, sod the diet and raid the fridge of everything inside it. These are all learned responses to food.

Diets are all well and good, but unless you find out what the underlying trigger is that makes that person reach for food as an emotional crutch - they won't work.

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