FabSwingers.com forum: Isis cyber attacks

By *uckandbunny OP Couple
over a year ago

In your bed

Just read the news this morning. The first thing that jumped out at me was why should a power plants computers be hooked up to the Internet?

Surely all control of generating machines should be isolated in house.

It's not like these places don't have people on site to operate them.

I'm not overly bothered about Isis it's more the bored teenagers giving it a go just to see if they can.

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By *he horny kinkstersCouple
over a year ago

North West

One way or another every network is connected to the outside world.

A supplier of machines or control systems or something will have remote access to support their kit and there will be a lot of those suppliers and therefore a lot of ways in for someone wanting to get access.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Chinese are a bigger risk, it's widely believed that Chinese made chips have a kill switch that when triggered turns them off. Most chips are made in China. They turn them off then no power and no telecoms, society would break down within the week

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think a lot of this is scaremongering by the government to support their snooping bill. Yes power plants are connected to the web for back up and remote access. However in light of everything I imagine they have higher encryption then they did before the recent cyber attacks.

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By *uckandbunny OP Couple
over a year ago

In your bed

My point is that these big infrastructure machines just don't require them.

I get it for your local exchange were there are no staff on site, but a major power plant will have engineers and technicians all over it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its the hospitals that worry me more than the power plants they cant cope as it is so imagine all the hospital records going. These are scary times at the moment the attacks are getting more and more often

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Just read the news this morning. The first thing that jumped out at me was why should a power plants computers be hooked up to the Internet?

Surely all control of generating machines should be isolated in house.

It's not like these places don't have people on site to operate them.

I'm not overly bothered about Isis it's more the bored teenagers giving it a go just to see if they can.

The Y2K bug was going to send us all back to the stone age. Aircraft were going to fall out of the skies, power generation would have come to a halt, EMS in autos was going to fail, even our water and grocery deliveries were going to be affected

Thank the Lord for the scare-mongerers for all it did was it made some of us comfortably well-off in the last two years of the millennium

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

Personally, I think that our cyber capability needs to be much improved. This war against IS can be won online by the effective discrediting of the IS narrative and by swamping their electronic capability.

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By *imply_SensualMan
over a year ago

warrington

"Just read the news this morning. The first thing that jumped out at me was why should a power plants computers be hooked up to the Internet?

Surely all control of generating machines should be isolated in house.

It's not like these places don't have people on site to operate them.

I'm not overly bothered about Isis it's more the bored teenagers giving it a go just to see if they can.

As others have said, it's about business continuity and remote access, in short, it's about cost. Yes, power plants will have staff in site at all times, but specialist staff will not be, and it is cheaper for them to 'dial in' and diagnose problems than make a journey into work (call out expenses etc). They will have encryption, but the trick is to stay one step ahead of the hackers.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"My point is that these big infrastructure machines just don't require them.

I get it for your local exchange were there are no staff on site, but a major power plant will have engineers and technicians all over it."

The more online our lives and services are the more at risk we are.

RBS systems being down for weeks... Talk Talk customer information... Ashley Madison leaks... Anonymous attacks... IS attacks...

We are so dependant on technology.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My point is that these big infrastructure machines just don't require them.

I get it for your local exchange were there are no staff on site, but a major power plant will have engineers and technicians all over it."

Picture a real terror attack

went off and a complete evacuation happens… who's going to shut down a reactor should it start to go critical? That's one of the reasons power plants have remote access.

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By *isdirtygirlCouple
over a year ago

somewhere out there

"My point is that these big infrastructure machines just don't require them.

I get it for your local exchange were there are no staff on site, but a major power plant will have engineers and technicians all over it."

And third party suppliers and maintainers that can log on remotely to fault fund. Telemetry that reports back to head office etc. To not be connected would be impossible in this day and age.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

[ rubs her hands in glee for the geek shall, afterall, inherit the Earth ]

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

"My point is that these big infrastructure machines just don't require them.

I get it for your local exchange were there are no staff on site, but a major power plant will have engineers and technicians all over it.

And third party suppliers and maintainers that can log on remotely to fault fund. Telemetry that reports back to head office etc. To not be connected would be impossible in this day and age."

it should be a closed system. down loading patches and what not is a recipe for disaster.

windows 10 anyone?

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By *uckandbunny OP Couple
over a year ago

In your bed

Like I said I'm more concerned about genuine hackers that ISIS.

I did find an interesting article online whilst following this.

On thinking by numbers dot org.

It's USA based numbers but basically you are 3x more likely to be killed by lightening than terrorism.

It has a great graphic showing the spending in the US compared to the total number of deaths.

It's not flippant about those killed but it does put some perspective on what we become fearful of.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A little off topic but did anyone see this morning the international hacker group declaring war on IS?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wont be long before putin marches an army through syria

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah I remember all the doom and gloom merchants whimpering on about how the Millennium bug would strike chaos into the very fabric of modern day society,,,, and did it?........ No!....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I read about this and some big announcement next week.

I'm thinking our government is using this as a way to take more control of the internet.

They will use it to make us feel, its for our safety.

We already know they wish they could take certain sites down and ban videos from youtube because they are fed up of people finding out truths. More and more people are opening their eyes to how corrupt everything is.

I don't feel we live in democracy at all, more and more laws are being changed so they have more control and we get less say but according to them, its to make it safer. BS

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By *errygTV/TS
over a year ago

denton

"I read about this and some big announcement next week.

I'm thinking our government is using this as a way to take more control of the internet.

They will use it to make us feel, its for our safety.

I don't feel we live in democracy at all, more and more laws are being changed so they have more control and we get less say but according to them, its to make it safer. BS"
I find you tube has film clips not shown by bbc,ie migrants attack germans, we rely on internet to much if if was hacked in a major way, banking, this site, gov depts., it would be chaos

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The Chinese are a bigger risk, it's widely believed that Chinese made chips have a kill switch that when triggered turns them off. Most chips are made in China. They turn them off then no power and no telecoms, society would break down within the week"

The Chinese make chips too? Whatever next, carrots? Love chips though. Yum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The spy who loves me. Oh stop snooping on me you M15 OR CIA. YEP ITS CONTROL. I want to run away from the truth. Most of you would not understand me when I say knights of malta. X

Bad enough on here with stalkers. X

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

There will be monitoring/telemetry and network management under way at all times for significant networks here and abroad. Individual plants don't work in isolation from others, as they are part of a larger managed infrastructure. Some of that management will be automated, with some of the role done by people. If the UK local plants were all operating without any 'intelligence' behind them, such as what loads are needed, where there are problems as well as acting in advance of anticipated demands etc, then we'd all probably pay an awful lot more for our utility services. As such there is communication infrastructure involved in our major operations and they are vulnerable, as are the plants themselves.

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