FabSwingers.com forum: Paris Terrorist was migrant who registered as a refugee in Greece

By *he-Hosiery-Gent OP Man
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

Farage/UKIP predicted this and was vilified, when in September he said;

'IS have said they will use this tide of humanity across the Mediterranean to embed thousands of their jihadist fighters into Europe. They mean it'.

Looks like he's been proved right?

Discuss...

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

How did he predict it when IS said it?

He was just repeating what they had said.

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By *he-Hosiery-Gent OP Man
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

"How did he predict it when IS said it?

He was just repeating what they had said. "

An oxymoron there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dunno about Farage, but I have been predicting this thread ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Same. It was inevitable really.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"How did he predict it when IS said it?

He was just repeating what they had said.

An oxymoron there."

Did anyone think it was open to interpretation?

Otherwise it was stating the obvious, not 'predicting'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well if I ever lose my passport I will make sure I ask the Security Services as they seem to be able to find them so easily....

I am also safe in the knowledge it will withstand a bomb blast and burning although the dog managed to put his teeth through mine.

Do people really think, in the mind of a lunatic, they have "remember passport" on terrorist checklist?

This post is not lightening ANYTHING that happened last Friday but some things stretch my understanding

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"Dunno about Farage, but I have been predicting this thread ... "

Me too.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Where do you get this information? The only terrorist identified so far was a French citizen. There is currently no proof that any of the terrorists were refugees.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Where do you get this information? The only terrorist identified so far was a French citizen. There is currently no proof that any of the terrorists were refugees."

It was on ITV News last night

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Dunno about Farage, but I have been predicting this thread ...

Me too."

Me three.

Please keep it civil.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well if I ever lose my passport I will make sure I ask the Security Services as they seem to be able to find them so easily....

I am also safe in the knowledge it will withstand a bomb blast and burning although the dog managed to put his teeth through mine.

Do people really think, in the mind of a lunatic, they have "remember passport" on terrorist checklist?

This post is not lightening ANYTHING that happened last Friday but some things stretch my understanding"

You realise that light paper things tend to survive explosions well as they just get blown away to safety.

After a plane crash they frequently find the passports etc scattered about

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Before you diss the subject, maybe read whats being reported

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The French media also said. That the passport could be fake or placed at the seen and the one terrorist identified is a French national guess you didn't hear that part

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

doesn't make a difference if he flew first class, or strapped to the top of a high speed train.....

he killed.

9/11 killers didn't swim to the USA

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

A passport was found at the location of one of the attacks belonging to a migrant. That isnt the same thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where do you get this information? The only terrorist identified so far was a French citizen. There is currently no proof that any of the terrorists were refugees."

I think there is. They found a Syrian passport on the remains of a suicide bomber and they know he registered as a refugee on a greek island.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well if I ever lose my passport I will make sure I ask the Security Services as they seem to be able to find them so easily....

I am also safe in the knowledge it will withstand a bomb blast and burning although the dog managed to put his teeth through mine.

Do people really think, in the mind of a lunatic, they have "remember passport" on terrorist checklist?

This post is not lightening ANYTHING that happened last Friday but some things stretch my understanding

You realise that light paper things tend to survive explosions well as they just get blown away to safety.

After a plane crash they frequently find the passports etc scattered about"

So, and this is only playing devils advocate, there is proof that a refugee was in the area not necessarily that said refugee was the perpetrator of this atrocity?

I carry my passport when in a foreign country mainly as it wont get nicked from my hotel room.

Could this person not have done the same?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Where do you get this information? The only terrorist identified so far was a French citizen. There is currently no proof that any of the terrorists were refugees.

It was on ITV News last night"

There is a very big difference between 'believed to be', which is what was actually reported, and confirmed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who knows wait a week, then we'll all know!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And really , so what?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Where do you get this information? The only terrorist identified so far was a French citizen. There is currently no proof that any of the terrorists were refugees.

I think there is. They found a Syrian passport on the remains of a suicide bomber and they know he registered as a refugee on a greek island."

You are confusing your personal bias with the facts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When we had the plethora of refugee threads a while back the point was raised about terrorists posing as refugees. The persons raising it got shot down and accused of all sorts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where do you get this information? The only terrorist identified so far was a French citizen. There is currently no proof that any of the terrorists were refugees.

I think there is. They found a Syrian passport on the remains of a suicide bomber and they know he registered as a refugee on a greek island."

Still not enough evidence for some. It's not good for the Syrian refugees who aren't terrorists.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Before you diss the subject, maybe read whats being reported"

That advice should apply equally to the OP.

At this moment the French police have publicly identified one French born citizen as one of the terrorists.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Where do you get this information? The only terrorist identified so far was a French citizen. There is currently no proof that any of the terrorists were refugees.

It was on ITV News last night

There is a very big difference between 'believed to be', which is what was actually reported, and confirmed."

There is....but the subject was discussed on the NEWS that one of the terrorists could be a refugee who came through Greece on 3rd October .People will make their own mind up until it is confirmed but we can't blame people for discussing it.

For me, I can't understand why a killer who was probably going to be killed or kill himself would remember to take his passport with him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For me, I can't understand why a killer who was probably going to be killed or kill himself would remember to take his passport with him."

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Before you diss the subject, maybe read whats being reported

That advice should apply equally to the OP.

At this moment the French police have publicly identified one French born citizen as one of the terrorists. "

And mentioned a refugee coming through Greece in October.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For me, I can't understand why a killer who was probably going to be killed or kill himself would remember to take his passport with him."

They may want to be identified so they can be celebrated by others who share their twisted and warped mentality.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

For me, I can't understand why a killer who was probably going to be killed or kill himself would remember to take his passport with him."

I thought that was strange too but then I read a report this morning, I don't know how accurate, that they might have been planning to flee.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thousands of genuine people have become refugees because they are desperate.

the extremists who did this may have come in because of our kindness to people in need.that is not something to be ashamed of.

If you are such an ignorant cunt as to think we should close all help to people who need it you should be ashamed.

These are not refuges. They are terrorists

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

For me, I can't understand why a killer who was probably going to be killed or kill himself would remember to take his passport with him.

I thought that was strange too but then I read a report this morning, I don't know how accurate, that they might have been planning to flee. "

True

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where do you get this information? The only terrorist identified so far was a French citizen. There is currently no proof that any of the terrorists were refugees.

It was on ITV News last night

There is a very big difference between 'believed to be', which is what was actually reported, and confirmed.

For me, I can't understand why a killer who was probably going to be killed or kill himself would remember to take his passport with him."

What was speculated on the news doesn't turn it into fact.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

OK before this gets out of hand....stop attacking posters while giving your _iew or you will end up banned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where do you get this information? The only terrorist identified so far was a French citizen. There is currently no proof that any of the terrorists were refugees.

It was on ITV News last night

There is a very big difference between 'believed to be', which is what was actually reported, and confirmed.

For me, I can't understand why a killer who was probably going to be killed or kill himself would remember to take his passport with him.

What was speculated on the news doesn't turn it into fact. "

It doesn't automatically mean that it's not either. Personal bias works both ways. Only time will tell.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"...

For me, I can't understand why a killer who was probably going to be killed or kill himself would remember to take his passport with him."

So that he can be identified correctly when the 72 virgins are being dished out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Before you diss the subject, maybe read whats being reported

That advice should apply equally to the OP.

At this moment the French police have publicly identified one French born citizen as one of the terrorists.

And mentioned a refugee coming through Greece in October. "

Mentioned a passport belonging to a refugee. Until they link that document with one of the bodies it doesn't prove anything other than they have a valid line of enquiry.

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By *irceWoman
over a year ago

Gloucester

I am shocked a person would infiltrate and ignite 5th coliminsts into action.

No one could have for seen this being a reality........could they?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Where do you get this information? The only terrorist identified so far was a French citizen. There is currently no proof that any of the terrorists were refugees.

It was on ITV News last night

There is a very big difference between 'believed to be', which is what was actually reported, and confirmed."

we know that greece confirmed the suicide bomber at the stade de france with the syrian passport passed thru their territory 3 months ago and was processed there....

we know that at least one was a homegrown frenchman.... so before people scream at the refugees people should also look close to home!!!!

what it looks like is that at least 1 of the three terror cells in this attack was French nations based in belgium..... which points toward Schengen basically being close to finished if that is case.....

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By *he-Hosiery-Gent OP Man
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

Can we move this along a bit?

Obviously nothing has been officially confirmed yet, that should be a given, hence the

I used.

IF, it does turn out to be true, though?

What, then?

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By *he-Hosiery-Gent OP Man
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

"Can we move this along a bit?

Obviously nothing has been officially confirmed yet, that should be a given, hence the question mark, I used.

IF, it does turn out to be true, though?

What, then? "

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

They are now hunting for an 8th assailant, a French national who rented a car seen outside the Bataclan.

I hope they find him quickly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Carrying I.d in France is law.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"Can we move this along a bit?

Obviously nothing has been officially confirmed yet, that should be a given, hence the question mark, I used.

IF, it does turn out to be true, though?

What, then? "

hatred towards refugees will heighten by people forgetting that evil lurks in our own people.

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By *opinovMan
over a year ago

Point Nemo, Cumbria

It's just been revealed that two were Belgian.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"...

For me, I can't understand why a killer who was probably going to be killed or kill himself would remember to take his passport with him.

So that he can be identified correctly when the 72 virgins are being dished out"

Maybe it's an ISIS tactic

Get a group of swingers so hot under the collar over a passport that they wage Jihad on each other

Death by Hitachi wand

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

France, the UK n USA have committed acts of war, by bombing their country back to the stone age, opening arming their enemies. killing men, women n children at school, in hospitals, at weddings.

But when they fight back, u call them the terrorist.

Laughable really.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

For me, I can't understand why a killer who was probably going to be killed or kill himself would remember to take his passport with him.

They may want to be identified so they can be celebrated by others who share their twisted and warped mentality. "

This is also possible

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where do you get this information? The only terrorist identified so far was a French citizen. There is currently no proof that any of the terrorists were refugees.

It was on ITV News last night

There is a very big difference between 'believed to be', which is what was actually reported, and confirmed.

For me, I can't understand why a killer who was probably going to be killed or kill himself would remember to take his passport with him."

I don't know if while you're in France you should always carry your passport? If you do then you don't want to be arrested for not carrying it before you get to your target.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"Can we move this along a bit?

Obviously nothing has been officially confirmed yet, that should be a given, hence the

I used.

IF, it does turn out to be true, though?

What, then? "

We don't know... how can we comment when so little is known?

If it was one Syrian refugee and 7 French nationals or 2 French nationals and 6 Syrian refugees - that's all very different.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's like the magic passport that was found after 9/11.

But stupid people will believe anything.

Even that their own government is working for them

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

For me, I can't understand why a killer who was probably going to be killed or kill himself would remember to take his passport with him.

I thought that was strange too but then I read a report this morning, I don't know how accurate, that they might have been planning to flee. "

I can answer that..... but it is actually a gruesome answer......

what use to happen is that families of suicide bombers in the middle east would end up being paid money... so it was to identify them.....

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

The G is reporting that 2 of the terrorists 'were from Brussels'.

I don't know if that means resident or what.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do some Geography and then get back on with a reasoned opinion. Oh and find Facebook and discuss it there. Mr W

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where do you get this information? The only terrorist identified so far was a French citizen. There is currently no proof that any of the terrorists were refugees.

It was on ITV News last night

There is a very big difference between 'believed to be', which is what was actually reported, and confirmed.

we know that greece confirmed the suicide bomber at the stade de france with the syrian passport passed thru their territory 3 months ago and was processed there....

we know that at least one was a homegrown frenchman.... so before people scream at the refugees people should also look close to home!!!!

If the French police had linked that passport definitively with a terrorist they'd be announcing the name rather than some initials (given they've already announced the name of the French national involved). What they seem to know at the moment is that the passport was used as you said and was found near one of the attacks. That isn't the same as saying that the owner of the passport was one of the terrorists - YET.

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over a year ago

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

For me, I can't understand why a killer who was probably going to be killed or kill himself would remember to take his passport with him.

I thought that was strange too but then I read a report this morning, I don't know how accurate, that they might have been planning to flee.

I can answer that..... but it is actually a gruesome answer......

what use to happen is that families of suicide bombers in the middle east would end up being paid money... so it was to identify them....."

That's beyond morbid Fab!

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By *he tactile technicianMan
over a year ago

the good lands, the bad lands, the any where you may want me lands

"Dunno about Farage, but I have been predicting this thread ...

Me too."

The most predictable of it all is the same old culprits flaming people...it makes reading threads very dull and tiresome

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

"Where do you get this information? The only terrorist identified so far was a French citizen. There is currently no proof that any of the terrorists were refugees.

It was on ITV News last night

There is a very big difference between 'believed to be', which is what was actually reported, and confirmed.

For me, I can't understand why a killer who was probably going to be killed or kill himself would remember to take his passport with him.

What was speculated on the news doesn't turn it into fact. "
I must be talking in fork talk this weekend.

I didn't say it was fact, I said it was reported

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"How did he predict it when IS said it?

He was just repeating what they had said.

An oxymoron there.

Did anyone think it was open to interpretation?

Otherwise it was stating the obvious, not 'predicting'. "

Does it matter if he predicted it or just repeated it? Surely the question is how much of a real threat it is and what can we do about it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"France, the UK n USA have committed acts of war, by bombing their country back to the stone age, opening arming their enemies. killing men, women n children at school, in hospitals, at weddings.

But when they fight back, u call them the terrorist.

Laughable really."

They are terrorists laugh all you want.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One of them who did it was a french man.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When we had the plethora of refugee threads a while back the point was raised about terrorists posing as refugees. The persons raising it got shot down and accused of all sorts.

Yeah... I was the one who got shot down. And for what??? Everyone is now saying the same bloody thing! Funny how it's good enough for them to agree now but the other night they were out like a lynch mob.

Pretty sad to be honest. I always thought bitchiness & cliques were a thing of childhood & school years... Seems not!!

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I don't know if while you're in France you should always carry your passport? If you do then you don't want to be arrested for not carrying it before you get to your target."

I didn't know this when we went to Paris, although we did carry our passports anyway, good job they didn't stop us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where do you get this information? The only terrorist identified so far was a French citizen. There is currently no proof that any of the terrorists were refugees.

It was on ITV News last night

There is a very big difference between 'believed to be', which is what was actually reported, and confirmed.

For me, I can't understand why a killer who was probably going to be killed or kill himself would remember to take his passport with him.

I don't know if while you're in France you should always carry your passport? If you do then you don't want to be arrested for not carrying it before you get to your target."

Given the weapons they were carrying, my guess would be that they'd be fairly indifferent about being stopped for carrying no ID. Of course that's just a guess.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When we had the plethora of refugee threads a while back the point was raised about terrorists posing as refugees. The persons raising it got shot down and accused of all sorts.

Very true! I think maybe there should be apologies to these people who were treated so badly. Eh admin?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

One was SEVEN weren't.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One of them who did it was a french man."

IS terrorists aren't just Indian Muslims you know... Look at Jihadi John. He was British!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where do you get this information? The only terrorist identified so far was a French citizen. There is currently no proof that any of the terrorists were refugees.

It was on ITV News last night

There is a very big difference between 'believed to be', which is what was actually reported, and confirmed.

For me, I can't understand why a killer who was probably going to be killed or kill himself would remember to take his passport with him.

I don't know if while you're in France you should always carry your passport? If you do then you don't want to be arrested for not carrying it before you get to your target.

Given the weapons they were carrying, my guess would be that they'd be fairly indifferent about being stopped for carrying no ID. Of course that's just a guess."

Be a bummer if you were locked up while going to your weapons cache for not having an ID though and throwing it all off kilter. Attention to detail. Its the little things that have caught people out before. Son of Sam was caught because he got a parking ticket.

Anyway at this point it's all conjecture.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"...

For me, I can't understand why a killer who was probably going to be killed or kill himself would remember to take his passport with him.

So that he can be identified correctly when the 72 virgins are being dished out"

This always amuses me.

72 Virgins..... I'd rather have 10 fully fledged swingers... One even.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One of them who did it was a french man.

IS terrorists aren't just Indian Muslims you know... Look at Jihadi John. He was British!!! "
Yes and that is right, could be of any country they come from even yes john who was against his own.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"It's just been revealed that two were Belgian."

No more chocolate for me then.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Well if I ever lose my passport I will make sure I ask the Security Services as they seem to be able to find them so easily....

I am also safe in the knowledge it will withstand a bomb blast and burning although the dog managed to put his teeth through mine.

Do people really think, in the mind of a lunatic, they have "remember passport" on terrorist checklist?

This post is not lightening ANYTHING that happened last Friday but some things stretch my understanding"

A Syrian passport has been found close to the body of one of the suicide bombers. Whilst I accept that it could have been planted either by ISIS itself or some other organisation that has an interest in ratcheting up tension against migrants, it still begs the question, who are these refugees and are we being duly diligent in making sure that all those who claim to be refugees are genuinely refugees and don't have a darker, more sinister motive for wanting to get into Europe.

This has been a concern of mine since the refugee crisis started.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One of them who did it was a french man.

IS terrorists aren't just Indian Muslims you know... Look at Jihadi John. He was British!!! "

Where did the Indian Muslims come into this?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where do you get this information? The only terrorist identified so far was a French citizen. There is currently no proof that any of the terrorists were refugees.

It was on ITV News last night

There is a very big difference between 'believed to be', which is what was actually reported, and confirmed.

For me, I can't understand why a killer who was probably going to be killed or kill himself would remember to take his passport with him.

What was speculated on the news doesn't turn it into fact. I must be talking in fork talk this weekend.

I didn't say it was fact, I said it was reported"

Then, given the information available, a leap too far was made based on what could be legitimately reported... that's speculation and leads to unjustifiable titles to threads like this.

What's fork talk?

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"How did he predict it when IS said it?

He was just repeating what they had said.

An oxymoron there.

Did anyone think it was open to interpretation?

Otherwise it was stating the obvious, not 'predicting'.

Does it matter if he predicted it or just repeated it? Surely the question is how much of a real threat it is and what can we do about it?"

That was the OPs question so I gave my answer!

What can we do about it? I don't know.

I said in previous threads that the UK plan was originally to take refugees from Lebanon and Jordan who had claimed assylum from the beginning of the conflict, that way you know that the people really have fled the trouble - so if Europe is to keep accepting refugees then that's the best plan I think.

If Europe is going to stop accepting refugees then some solutions are; to let the boats drown, to annex part of Syria as a refugee zone, throw money and infrastructure provision at Jordan to expand their camps, or do nothing at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's just been revealed that two were Belgian.

No more chocolate for me then."

We have a Belgium chip shop in the next village. I'm not going there till this whole thing blows over.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"France, the UK n USA have committed acts of war, by bombing their country back to the stone age, opening arming their enemies. killing men, women n children at school, in hospitals, at weddings.

But when they fight back, u call them the terrorist.

Laughable really."

Stone Age bombs.... ?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"The G is reporting that 2 of the terrorists 'were from Brussels'.

I don't know if that means resident or what. "

*resists a sprout shortage comment........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where do you get this information? The only terrorist identified so far was a French citizen. There is currently no proof that any of the terrorists were refugees.

It was on ITV News last night

There is a very big difference between 'believed to be', which is what was actually reported, and confirmed.

For me, I can't understand why a killer who was probably going to be killed or kill himself would remember to take his passport with him.

I don't know if while you're in France you should always carry your passport? If you do then you don't want to be arrested for not carrying it before you get to your target.

Given the weapons they were carrying, my guess would be that they'd be fairly indifferent about being stopped for carrying no ID. Of course that's just a guess."

I'm sure they were concealed until wanted. You wouldn't want to give anyone a chance to search your car if you had a boot full of Kalashnikov.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"The G is reporting that 2 of the terrorists 'were from Brussels'.

I don't know if that means resident or what.

*resists a sprout shortage comment........"

Is Christmas dinner ruined?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

What's fork talk? "

The same as fork tongue without the autocarrot

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"When we had the plethora of refugee threads a while back the point was raised about terrorists posing as refugees. The persons raising it got shot down and accused of all sorts.

Very true! I think maybe there should be apologies to these people who were treated so badly. Eh admin? "

I raised it on one of those threads. I wasn't shot down. The people who were shot down on those threads were the ones who seemed incapable of showing any human compassion for others in distress.