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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Are these insidious people to blame for all societies ills?

Who are they anyway?

A group of do-gooders bent on silencing fair criticism with ad hominem attacks on anything that differs from their liberal world _iew?

or is it

a smug, knee jerk, ill-defined catch all used by closet bigots to damn anyone who challenges their hatred with the values of respect and common human decency?

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By *sianmale89Man
over a year ago

Stockport

OP this is not aimed at you but to the people in real life or online who I have come across it actually incredibly annoys me when people bring up the word "Political Correction" then go on and whinge about it especially when i'm there in a condescending passive aggressive way...

it's like seriously just grow a fucking pair and say what you really don't like and be done with it instead of beating around the bush like a pussy..

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

I would say they are to blame for many of todays ills. The PC brigade pick the easy option, the one that does not require any manning up, the option that avoids conflict and does 'the right thing' at the time without giving any consideration to the long term consequences of the choices being made.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I would say they are to blame for many of todays ills. The PC brigade pick the easy option, the one that does not require any manning up, the option that avoids conflict and does 'the right thing' at the time without giving any consideration to the long term consequences of the choices being made."

So you would suggest that toleration and respect is short-term thinking, as oppose to violence and intolerance? Interesting POV, how has that approach worked historically?

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By *opinovMan
over a year ago

Point Nemo, Cumbria

I just use a Mac... so it's not a problem.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd rather be part of the 'pc brigade' than a racist, sexist, homophobic misogynistic who's lives are full of intolerence nad hate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I just use a Mac... so it's not a problem."

No, you just have soooo many other problems

-Courtney

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd rather be part of the 'pc brigade' than a racist, sexist, homophobic misogynistic who's lives are full of intolerence nad hate"

I will just pretend I have really bad Tourette's let's see the PC brigade pick on me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I just use a Mac... so it's not a problem."

Too funny.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I don't like terms like pc brigade, fun police etc. If you disagree with me just say so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd rather be part of the 'pc brigade' than a racist, sexist, homophobic misogynistic who's lives are full of intolerence nad hate"

just deleted a facebook friend, and publicly highlighted i would delete family/friends posting mass generalization hate nonsense.I wont unfriend those i know in real life, but those posting circulated shit from 10 years ago and other fabricated stories can fuck off from my fb...

i have posted one race issue vid though..where a hare races a group of lads in a car at night..well funny!

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By *opinovMan
over a year ago

Point Nemo, Cumbria


"I just use a Mac... so it's not a problem.

No, you just have soooo many other problems

-Courtney"

You're so right - and I lied: I use Linux.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I just use a Mac... so it's not a problem.

No, you just have soooo many other problems

-Courtney

You're so right - and I lied: I use Linux. "

At least there is hope for you

-Courtney

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"So you would suggest that toleration and respect is short-term thinking, as oppose to violence and intolerance? Interesting POV, how has that approach worked historically?"

I would suggest that by discouraging competitive sports in schools and selling off playing fields in the 90s so that all would be winners has led to us having the most unfit, obese and unhealthy children in Europe.

I would suggest that to assuage the guilt trips that have been consistently laid on us since late 60's we have fed watered and supplied medicines to Africa and the Indian sub-continent. And that as a result we now have a world population pushing 7.5 billion and mass migration from Africa to Europe.

I would further suggest that our unwillingness to take firm military action against tyrants across the globe since the end of WW2 has led us to a position where anyone who has an axe to grind against anyone else sees us as an easy target.

I would suggest that in our mad rush to have an inclusive society where we look for the good in everyone has got us to a place where criminals are seen as victims and the victims of criminals actions are forgotten.

I would finally suggest that in our rush to political correctness we are losing all the things that we really hold dear (but are now afraid to admit we want for fear of being labelled racist, sexist, homophobic or anti any other group

).

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

How dare you. I'm offended.

That's to everyone just to cover all options.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For those of you who want a balanced _iew on the pros and cons of this issue, it's the running theme of the latest season of South Park.

To give an over_iew:

PC is good when it removes real barriers for under represented groups. However, that's a very contextual thing and when you remove all context and just apply the raw logic of PC to everything then you end up with "nobody should be ashamed of anything that isn't illegal". This frustrates people who aren't on the extremes of the debate because PC tends to mean the long term consequences of choices are ignored.

For example, someone makes a lifestyle choice that they know to be bad for their health. Then we are all expected to pay for the treatment on the NHS when the inevitable consequences occur. That pisses people off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So you would suggest that toleration and respect is short-term thinking, as oppose to violence and intolerance? Interesting POV, how has that approach worked historically?

I would suggest that by discouraging competitive sports in schools and selling off playing fields in the 90s so that all would be winners has led to us having the most unfit, obese and unhealthy children in Europe.

I would suggest that to assuage the guilt trips that have been consistently laid on us since late 60's we have fed watered and supplied medicines to Africa and the Indian sub-continent. And that as a result we now have a world population pushing 7.5 billion and mass migration from Africa to Europe.

I would further suggest that our unwillingness to take firm military action against tyrants across the globe since the end of WW2 has led us to a position where anyone who has an axe to grind against anyone else sees us as an easy target.

I would suggest that in our mad rush to have an inclusive society where we look for the good in everyone has got us to a place where criminals are seen as victims and the victims of criminals actions are forgotten.

I would finally suggest that in our rush to political correctness we are losing all the things that we really hold dear (but are now afraid to admit we want for fear of being labelled racist, sexist, homophobic or anti any other group

)."

this!

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"How dare you. I'm offended.

That's to everyone just to cover all options. "

I'm offended on your behalf granny and what's more I'm starting an on line petition.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I just use my gut and trust I will become uneasy when I think there is unpleasant motive.......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So you would suggest that toleration and respect is short-term thinking, as oppose to violence and intolerance? Interesting POV, how has that approach worked historically?

I would suggest that by discouraging competitive sports in schools and selling off playing fields in the 90s so that all would be winners has led to us having the most unfit, obese and unhealthy children in Europe.

I would suggest that to assuage the guilt trips that have been consistently laid on us since late 60's we have fed watered and supplied medicines to Africa and the Indian sub-continent. And that as a result we now have a world population pushing 7.5 billion and mass migration from Africa to Europe.

I would further suggest that our unwillingness to take firm military action against tyrants across the globe since the end of WW2 has led us to a position where anyone who has an axe to grind against anyone else sees us as an easy target.

I would suggest that in our mad rush to have an inclusive society where we look for the good in everyone has got us to a place where criminals are seen as victims and the victims of criminals actions are forgotten.

I would finally suggest that in our rush to political correctness we are losing all the things that we really hold dear (but are now afraid to admit we want for fear of being labelled racist, sexist, homophobic or anti any other group

)."

Well said. Some people trip over themselves to label people on here in an apparent desperation to appear "right on" without giving thought as to how them labelling others makes them potentially racist sexist homophobic and hypocritical

As View says go with your gut.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How dare you. I'm offended.

That's to everyone just to cover all options.

I'm offended on your behalf granny and what's more I'm starting an on line petition."

Loads of people don't have internet access. Discrimination.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"How dare you. I'm offended.

That's to everyone just to cover all options.

I'm offended on your behalf granny and what's more I'm starting an on line petition.

Loads of people don't have internet access. Discrimination."

got me

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"How dare you. I'm offended.

That's to everyone just to cover all options.

I'm offended on your behalf granny and what's more I'm starting an on line petition.

Loads of people don't have internet access. Discrimination.

got me "

I'm outraged that you were discovered before my petition was completed. I'm claiming AGEISM !!! or any other ism I can lay my wrinkly hands on.

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

folkestone

Not sure about Pc brigade, but there is certainly a section of the media/social media/politicians who try to shut down any attempt to have an open discussion on things like immigration, by crying racism when voters bring up their fears about unlimited immigration. I don't see how, in a democracy, that is a good thing.

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By *oachman 9CoolMan
over a year ago

derby


"Not sure about Pc brigade, but there is certainly a section of the media/social media/politicians who try to shut down any attempt to have an open discussion on things like immigration, by crying racism when voters bring up their fears about unlimited immigration. I don't see how, in a democracy, that is a good thing. "

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By *andb69Couple
over a year ago

leeds


"I'd rather be part of the 'pc brigade' than a racist, sexist, homophobic misogynistic who's lives are full of intolerence nad hate"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would say they are to blame for many of todays ills. The PC brigade pick the easy option, the one that does not require any manning up, the option that avoids conflict and does 'the right thing' at the time without giving any consideration to the long term consequences of the choices being made."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So you would suggest that toleration and respect is short-term thinking, as oppose to violence and intolerance? Interesting POV, how has that approach worked historically?

I would suggest that by discouraging competitive sports in schools and selling off playing fields in the 90s so that all would be winners has led to us having the most unfit, obese and unhealthy children in Europe.

I would suggest that to assuage the guilt trips that have been consistently laid on us since late 60's we have fed watered and supplied medicines to Africa and the Indian sub-continent. And that as a result we now have a world population pushing 7.5 billion and mass migration from Africa to Europe.

I would further suggest that our unwillingness to take firm military action against tyrants across the globe since the end of WW2 has led us to a position where anyone who has an axe to grind against anyone else sees us as an easy target.

I would suggest that in our mad rush to have an inclusive society where we look for the good in everyone has got us to a place where criminals are seen as victims and the victims of criminals actions are forgotten.

I would finally suggest that in our rush to political correctness we are losing all the things that we really hold dear (but are now afraid to admit we want for fear of being labelled racist, sexist, homophobic or anti any other group

).

this! "

Refusing to bow down to the pc brigade does not make you sexist racist or homophobic. You may well agree with the pc thinking on those issues. It just means you feel they have gone too far telling us what we should or shouldnt think, feel and say. Branding everyone with vile names who doesnt want to take part in activities deemed acceptable by them.

Its gone too far in government in schools in work places and on here...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would say they are to blame for many of todays ills. The PC brigade pick the easy option, the one that does not require any manning up, the option that avoids conflict and does 'the right thing' at the time without giving any consideration to the long term consequences of the choices being made."

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By *andb69Couple
over a year ago

leeds

How many people do you know that start a sentence with " I'm not racist, but..." or "I'm not homophobic, but..." and then continue with some outrageous statement? Being pc doesn't make you extreme or controlling - it simply makes one aware that other people have feelings and a right to live their lives without harassment or bullying - seems quite liberal and caring really and not something to ridicule.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


"I would say they are to blame for many of todays ills. The PC brigade pick the easy option, the one that does not require any manning up, the option that avoids conflict and does 'the right thing' at the time without giving any consideration to the long term consequences of the choices being made.

"

Indeed, without the PC brigade we might still have regular racial attacks and gay bashing, women would stay in the home and we could harass trans people out on the streets for the freaks they are.

Ahhh... the good old days when we were free to punch our privilege into other people's faces. *

* Irony

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

I don't know why its considered 'politically correct' to desire equal treatment for all. If I see someone being treated poorly I'll stick up for them, regardless of sex, creed, colour, or religion, but because I sometimes defend people who others consider different because of their sex, creed, colour, or religion, I'm called a bleeding heart liberal.

Why am I considered 'PC' for being a decent human being?

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"I would say they are to blame for many of todays ills. The PC brigade pick the easy option, the one that does not require any manning up, the option that avoids conflict and does 'the right thing' at the time without giving any consideration to the long term consequences of the choices being made."

How can people who defend others from bigoted behaviour be considered taking the easy option? Do you know how hard it is to stand up to people sometimes?

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


"I don't know why its considered 'politically correct' to desire equal treatment for all. If I see someone being treated poorly I'll stick up for them, regardless of sex, creed, colour, or religion, but because I sometimes defend people who others consider different because of their sex, creed, colour, or religion, I'm called a bleeding heart liberal.

Why am I considered 'PC' for being a decent human being?"

My guess is that those who don't believe in equal treatment of everyone take that _iew because they don't believe everyone to be equal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't know why its considered 'politically correct' to desire equal treatment for all. If I see someone being treated poorly I'll stick up for them, regardless of sex, creed, colour, or religion, but because I sometimes defend people who others consider different because of their sex, creed, colour, or religion, I'm called a bleeding heart liberal.

Why am I considered 'PC' for being a decent human being?"

The ones I consider the "pc brigade" and class as going too far are the ones saying if you fly an England flag your racist and will upset immigrants. Or demand christmas decorations say happy holidays so we dont upset other religions. The ones who demand people who come into this country should be protected, not from racial abuse or harrasment EVERYBODY should be free from that regardless. But demand they are protected from normal day to day way of life things that have gone one for centuries without ever upsetting ANYBODY because they are scared 1 solitary over the top IDIOT will take it the wrong way and cry about it. Well if 999 people out of 1000 are happy to say merry christmas then the 1 person who is insulted by it can jump off a fucking cliff for all I care because they are wasting valuable oxygen that the rest of the free world need to breath!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't know why its considered 'politically correct' to desire equal treatment for all. If I see someone being treated poorly I'll stick up for them, regardless of sex, creed, colour, or religion, but because I sometimes defend people who others consider different because of their sex, creed, colour, or religion, I'm called a bleeding heart liberal.

Why am I considered 'PC' for being a decent human being?

The ones I consider the "pc brigade" and class as going too far are the ones saying if you fly an England flag your racist and will upset immigrants. Or demand christmas decorations say happy holidays so we dont upset other religions. The ones who demand people who come into this country should be protected, not from racial abuse or harrasment EVERYBODY should be free from that regardless. But demand they are protected from normal day to day way of life things that have gone one for centuries without ever upsetting ANYBODY because they are scared 1 solitary over the top IDIOT will take it the wrong way and cry about it. Well if 999 people out of 1000 are happy to say merry christmas then the 1 person who is insulted by it can jump off a fucking cliff for all I care because they are wasting valuable oxygen that the rest of the free world need to breath!! "

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Oh, those lily-livered weak-minded fools who want to feed the hungry and give medicine to the poor, even if they are not honest, stout hearted Brits.

One can only guess how they managed to gain the power to quiten all opposition by using words and intellectual thinking.

Burn the books

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How many people do you know that start a sentence with " I'm not racist, but..." or "I'm not homophobic, but..." and then continue with some outrageous statement? Being pc doesn't make you extreme or controlling - it simply makes one aware that other people have feelings and a right to live their lives without harassment or bullying - seems quite liberal and caring really and not something to ridicule."

this is how I term it:

racist/religious/sexist stuff...

do you let your kids perpetuate the same thing...do you accept they should bully etc etc...regarding another person..

if so..that makes U a cunt.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


"Oh, those lily-livered weak-minded fools who want to feed the hungry and give medicine to the poor, even if they are not honest, stout hearted Brits.

One can only guess how they managed to gain the power to quiten all opposition by using words and intellectual thinking.

Burn the books

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Call in the Luddites!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"How many people do you know that start a sentence with " I'm not racist, but..." or "I'm not homophobic, but..." and then continue with some outrageous statement? Being pc doesn't make you extreme or controlling - it simply makes one aware that other people have feelings and a right to live their lives without harassment or bullying - seems quite liberal and caring really and not something to ridicule.

this is how I term it:

racist/religious/sexist stuff...

do you let your kids perpetuate the same thing...do you accept they should bully etc etc...regarding another person..

if so..that makes U a cunt."

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"I don't know why its considered 'politically correct' to desire equal treatment for all. If I see someone being treated poorly I'll stick up for them, regardless of sex, creed, colour, or religion, but because I sometimes defend people who others consider different because of their sex, creed, colour, or religion, I'm called a bleeding heart liberal.

Why am I considered 'PC' for being a decent human being?

The ones I consider the "pc brigade" and class as going too far are the ones saying if you fly an England flag your racist and will upset immigrants. Or demand christmas decorations say happy holidays so we dont upset other religions. The ones who demand people who come into this country should be protected, not from racial abuse or harrasment EVERYBODY should be free from that regardless. But demand they are protected from normal day to day way of life things that have gone one for centuries without ever upsetting ANYBODY because they are scared 1 solitary over the top IDIOT will take it the wrong way and cry about it. Well if 999 people out of 1000 are happy to say merry christmas then the 1 person who is insulted by it can jump off a fucking cliff for all I care because they are wasting valuable oxygen that the rest of the free world need to breath!! "

You need to stop reading the Daily Mail.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

People call others names if they don't agree with what they say or don't like the subject, be that PC brigade/ bigots/racist /misogynists etc

It is a shame as it just spoils discussion ( not just on here )as people get irate when others opinions differ. Even the most reasoned arguments are lost in the middle.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


"People call others names if they don't agree with what they say or don't like the subject, be that PC brigade/ bigots/racist /misogynists etc

"

Champagne socialist is my personal fav.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"People call others names if they don't agree with what they say or don't like the subject, be that PC brigade/ bigots/racist /misogynists etc

It is a shame as it just spoils discussion ( not just on here )as people get irate when others opinions differ. Even the most reasoned arguments are lost in the middle."

Yes, this was supposed to be the point of the thread.

When making reasonable, thought out arguments we've often noticed people being insulted by this term - in the same way as "racist" can sometimes be thrown in the other direction.

We are happy and confident in being liberal, wordly people who think all human lives have value (and that political correctness is a compliment not an insult) - but we always say Happy Christmas, are patriotic and are not usually insulted by the English flag

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I just use a Mac... so it's not a problem."

Hehehe!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd rather be part of the 'pc brigade' than a racist, sexist, homophobic misogynistic who's lives are full of intolerence nad hate

"

That's nadistic!!!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"I'd rather be part of the 'pc brigade' than a racist, sexist, homophobic misogynistic who's lives are full of intolerence nad hate"

This..

It's the usual bollocks chuck away term to try and stifle those who challenge some of kid above and if some of the above only learnt to express themselves with a bit of thought to what effects their language had no others then they may not need to be challenged but some just love it.

Part of their insecurity and a need to blame someone for their own lack of whatever..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't know why its considered 'politically correct' to desire equal treatment for all. If I see someone being treated poorly I'll stick up for them, regardless of sex, creed, colour, or religion, but because I sometimes defend people who others consider different because of their sex, creed, colour, or religion, I'm called a bleeding heart liberal.

Why am I considered 'PC' for being a decent human being?

The ones I consider the "pc brigade" and class as going too far are the ones saying if you fly an England flag your racist and will upset immigrants. Or demand christmas decorations say happy holidays so we dont upset other religions. The ones who demand people who come into this country should be protected, not from racial abuse or harrasment EVERYBODY should be free from that regardless. But demand they are protected from normal day to day way of life things that have gone one for centuries without ever upsetting ANYBODY because they are scared 1 solitary over the top IDIOT will take it the wrong way and cry about it. Well if 999 people out of 1000 are happy to say merry christmas then the 1 person who is insulted by it can jump off a fucking cliff for all I care because they are wasting valuable oxygen that the rest of the free world need to breath!!

You need to stop reading the Daily Mail."

Ok can I borrow your copy of the sunday sport

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't know why its considered 'politically correct' to desire equal treatment for all. If I see someone being treated poorly I'll stick up for them, regardless of sex, creed, colour, or religion, but because I sometimes defend people who others consider different because of their sex, creed, colour, or religion, I'm called a bleeding heart liberal.

Why am I considered 'PC' for being a decent human being?

The ones I consider the "pc brigade" and class as going too far are the ones saying if you fly an England flag your racist and will upset immigrants. Or demand christmas decorations say happy holidays so we dont upset other religions. The ones who demand people who come into this country should be protected, not from racial abuse or harrasment EVERYBODY should be free from that regardless. But demand they are protected from normal day to day way of life things that have gone one for centuries without ever upsetting ANYBODY because they are scared 1 solitary over the top IDIOT will take it the wrong way and cry about it. Well if 999 people out of 1000 are happy to say merry christmas then the 1 person who is insulted by it can jump off a fucking cliff for all I care because they are wasting valuable oxygen that the rest of the free world need to breath!!

You need to stop reading the Daily Mail.

Ok can I borrow your copy of the sunday sport "

Sunday sport, hate that paper it shows woman as nothing more than sex objects and is degrading to woman.

It should be banned as well as page 3. X

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford


"Are these insidious people to blame for all societies ills?

Who are they anyway?

A group of do-gooders bent on silencing fair criticism with ad hominem attacks on anything that differs from their liberal world _iew?

or is it

a smug, knee jerk, ill-defined catch all used by closet bigots to damn anyone who challenges their hatred with the values of respect and common human decency?

"

The pc correct brigade are best ignored. They are intolerant towards other peoples _iews are always think that their _iews are right and others are wrong . The reality is that not everyone in society is equal and we have to recognise that .

I refuse to be told how I should think

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford


"I don't know why its considered 'politically correct' to desire equal treatment for all. If I see someone being treated poorly I'll stick up for them, regardless of sex, creed, colour, or religion, but because I sometimes defend people who others consider different because of their sex, creed, colour, or religion, I'm called a bleeding heart liberal.

Why am I considered 'PC' for being a decent human being?

The ones I consider the "pc brigade" and class as going too far are the ones saying if you fly an England flag your racist and will upset immigrants. Or demand christmas decorations say happy holidays so we dont upset other religions. The ones who demand people who come into this country should be protected, not from racial abuse or harrasment EVERYBODY should be free from that regardless. But demand they are protected from normal day to day way of life things that have gone one for centuries without ever upsetting ANYBODY because they are scared 1 solitary over the top IDIOT will take it the wrong way and cry about it. Well if 999 people out of 1000 are happy to say merry christmas then the 1 person who is insulted by it can jump off a fucking cliff for all I care because they are wasting valuable oxygen that the rest of the free world need to breath!!

You need to stop reading the Daily Mail."

If more people acted on the ideas and facts as presented in the Daily Mail , we might have the solution to many of Britains problems

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By *iSTARessWoman
over a year ago

London


"I don't know why its considered 'politically correct' to desire equal treatment for all. If I see someone being treated poorly I'll stick up for them, regardless of sex, creed, colour, or religion, but because I sometimes defend people who others consider different because of their sex, creed, colour, or religion, I'm called a bleeding heart liberal.

Why am I considered 'PC' for being a decent human being?

The ones I consider the "pc brigade" and class as going too far are the ones saying if you fly an England flag your racist and will upset immigrants. Or demand christmas decorations say happy holidays so we dont upset other religions. The ones who demand people who come into this country should be protected, not from racial abuse or harrasment EVERYBODY should be free from that regardless. But demand they are protected from normal day to day way of life things that have gone one for centuries without ever upsetting ANYBODY because they are scared 1 solitary over the top IDIOT will take it the wrong way and cry about it. Well if 999 people out of 1000 are happy to say merry christmas then the 1 person who is insulted by it can jump off a fucking cliff for all I care because they are wasting valuable oxygen that the rest of the free world need to breath!!

You need to stop reading the Daily Mail.

If more people acted on the ideas and facts as presented in the Daily Mail , we might have the solution to many of Britains problems "

Read through this thread seeing an unfocused and general discussion take place but I interesting non the less.

Then I got to this and threw up a little in my mouth.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"I don't know why its considered 'politically correct' to desire equal treatment for all. If I see someone being treated poorly I'll stick up for them, regardless of sex, creed, colour, or religion, but because I sometimes defend people who others consider different because of their sex, creed, colour, or religion, I'm called a bleeding heart liberal.

Why am I considered 'PC' for being a decent human being?

The ones I consider the "pc brigade" and class as going too far are the ones saying if you fly an England flag your racist and will upset immigrants. Or demand christmas decorations say happy holidays so we dont upset other religions. The ones who demand people who come into this country should be protected, not from racial abuse or harrasment EVERYBODY should be free from that regardless. But demand they are protected from normal day to day way of life things that have gone one for centuries without ever upsetting ANYBODY because they are scared 1 solitary over the top IDIOT will take it the wrong way and cry about it. Well if 999 people out of 1000 are happy to say merry christmas then the 1 person who is insulted by it can jump off a fucking cliff for all I care because they are wasting valuable oxygen that the rest of the free world need to breath!!

You need to stop reading the Daily Mail."

From your comments it sounds like you need to stop reading the Guardian.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"I don't know why its considered 'politically correct' to desire equal treatment for all. If I see someone being treated poorly I'll stick up for them, regardless of sex, creed, colour, or religion, but because I sometimes defend people who others consider different because of their sex, creed, colour, or religion, I'm called a bleeding heart liberal.

Why am I considered 'PC' for being a decent human being?

The ones I consider the "pc brigade" and class as going too far are the ones saying if you fly an England flag your racist and will upset immigrants. Or demand christmas decorations say happy holidays so we dont upset other religions. The ones who demand people who come into this country should be protected, not from racial abuse or harrasment EVERYBODY should be free from that regardless. But demand they are protected from normal day to day way of life things that have gone one for centuries without ever upsetting ANYBODY because they are scared 1 solitary over the top IDIOT will take it the wrong way and cry about it. Well if 999 people out of 1000 are happy to say merry christmas then the 1 person who is insulted by it can jump off a fucking cliff for all I care because they are wasting valuable oxygen that the rest of the free world need to breath!!

You need to stop reading the Daily Mail.

From your comments it sounds like you need to stop reading the Guardian. "

I don't read any newspapers.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


"I don't know why its considered 'politically correct' to desire equal treatment for all. If I see someone being treated poorly I'll stick up for them, regardless of sex, creed, colour, or religion, but because I sometimes defend people who others consider different because of their sex, creed, colour, or religion, I'm called a bleeding heart liberal.

Why am I considered 'PC' for being a decent human being?

The ones I consider the "pc brigade" and class as going too far are the ones saying if you fly an England flag your racist and will upset immigrants. Or demand christmas decorations say happy holidays so we dont upset other religions. The ones who demand people who come into this country should be protected, not from racial abuse or harrasment EVERYBODY should be free from that regardless. But demand they are protected from normal day to day way of life things that have gone one for centuries without ever upsetting ANYBODY because they are scared 1 solitary over the top IDIOT will take it the wrong way and cry about it. Well if 999 people out of 1000 are happy to say merry christmas then the 1 person who is insulted by it can jump off a fucking cliff for all I care because they are wasting valuable oxygen that the rest of the free world need to breath!!

You need to stop reading the Daily Mail.

If more people acted on the ideas and facts as presented in the Daily Mail , we might have the solution to many of Britains problems "

We'd also have embraced the Nazis.

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over a year ago


"I don't know why its considered 'politically correct' to desire equal treatment for all. If I see someone being treated poorly I'll stick up for them, regardless of sex, creed, colour, or religion, but because I sometimes defend people who others consider different because of their sex, creed, colour, or religion, I'm called a bleeding heart liberal.

Why am I considered 'PC' for being a decent human being?"

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By *andb69Couple
over a year ago

leeds


"I don't know why its considered 'politically correct' to desire equal treatment for all. If I see someone being treated poorly I'll stick up for them, regardless of sex, creed, colour, or religion, but because I sometimes defend people who others consider different because of their sex, creed, colour, or religion, I'm called a bleeding heart liberal.

Why am I considered 'PC' for being a decent human being?

The ones I consider the "pc brigade" and class as going too far are the ones saying if you fly an England flag your racist and will upset immigrants. Or demand christmas decorations say happy holidays so we dont upset other religions. The ones who demand people who come into this country should be protected, not from racial abuse or harrasment EVERYBODY should be free from that regardless. But demand they are protected from normal day to day way of life things that have gone one for centuries without ever upsetting ANYBODY because they are scared 1 solitary over the top IDIOT will take it the wrong way and cry about it. Well if 999 people out of 1000 are happy to say merry christmas then the 1 person who is insulted by it can jump off a fucking cliff for all I care because they are wasting valuable oxygen that the rest of the free world need to breath!!

"

The examples you give are nothing to do with being politically correct, they are a consequence of unthinking stupidity. Unfortunately such stupidity is not restricted to a small minority of the pc brigade. It is just as prevalent, if not more so, in the bigoted, racist and ignorant sections of society.

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over a year ago


"The ones I consider the "pc brigade" and class as going too far are the ones saying if you fly an England flag your racist and will upset immigrants. "

Does that happen? Many public buildings fly the St George Cross and/or union jack. Many pubs will have the flag for sporting occasions. People have them on their cars and homes. So who is asking for it to be banned and when? And as many immigrants, the Irish in particular, but also many, many others proudly fly their flags who is being offended?


"Or demand christmas decorations say happy holidays so we don't upset other religions. "

Again does that happen? There are always storie but pretty much every town and city hads christmas lights and decorations, many have christmas markets, shops are decorated, santa is still in every shopping centre. So ho is Christmas being banned? And in cases like Winter Wonderland at Hyde Park, is it really wrong that something incorporates Christmas and is enjoyed by people of all faiths and religions?


"The ones who demand people who come into this country should be protected, not from racial abuse or harrasment EVERYBODY should be free from that regardless. But demand they are protected from normal day to day way of life things that have gone one for centuries without ever upsetting ANYBODY because they are scared 1 solitary over the top IDIOT will take it the wrong way and cry about it. Well if 999 people out of 1000 are happy to say merry christmas then the 1 person who is insulted by it can jump off a fucking cliff for all I care because they are wasting valuable oxygen that the rest of the free world need to breath!! "

I've read this several times but still not sure what you mean. Who is being offended by what in this impressively vague hypothetical scenario?

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"I just use a Mac... so it's not a problem."

Me too

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

Do-gooders often make a mess of stuff.

Not read the whole thread, figured it would get rough

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"The ones I consider the "pc brigade" and class as going too far are the ones saying if you fly an England flag your racist and will upset immigrants.

Does that happen? Many public buildings fly the St George Cross and/or union jack. Many pubs will have the flag for sporting occasions. People have them on their cars and homes. So who is asking for it to be banned and when? And as many immigrants, the Irish in particular, but also many, many others proudly fly their flags who is being offended?"

We fly the White Rose in Yorkshire.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do-gooders often make a mess of stuff.

Not read the whole thread, figured it would get rough "

Not always David Cameron's "hug a hoodie" has worked a treat. Lol

However I would have loved to see him hugging a "hoodie" around here.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"

The pc correct brigade are best ignored. They are intolerant towards other peoples _iews are always think that their _iews are right and others are wrong . The reality is that not everyone in society is equal and we have to recognise that .

I refuse to be told how I should think "

Anyone quoting that the values of the daily mail are a template for people to live by has to be the winner of the ironic post of the year award especially when they talk about the intolerence of others who challenge such _iews that such a paper pours out in its vile drivel

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"The ones I consider the "pc brigade" and class as going too far are the ones saying if you fly an England flag your racist and will upset immigrants.

Does that happen? Many public buildings fly the St George Cross and/or union jack. Many pubs will have the flag for sporting occasions. People have them on their cars and homes. So who is asking for it to be banned and when? And as many immigrants, the Irish in particular, but also many, many others proudly fly their flags who is being offended?

We fly the White Rose in Yorkshire. "

Rainbow flags in Brighton.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


"

The pc correct brigade are best ignored. They are intolerant towards other peoples _iews are always think that their _iews are right and others are wrong . The reality is that not everyone in society is equal and we have to recognise that .

I refuse to be told how I should think

Anyone quoting that the values of the daily mail are a template for people to live by has to be the winner of the ironic post of the year award especially when they talk about the intolerence of others who challenge such _iews that such a paper pours out in its vile drivel "

I've decided to take his advice on board!

He's lesser than, not equal to, me.

Oooooh, is this what being right-wing feels like?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I'm not reading the contributions as they will probably annoy me.

As the wonderful Clive Stafford Smith says, I'd rather be a do-gooder than a do-badder.

Proud to be...

PC Lickety

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Me I call a spade a spade....or sometimes a shovel

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over a year ago


"I'm not reading the contributions as they will probably annoy me.

As the wonderful Clive Stafford Smith says, I'd rather be a do-gooder than a do-badder.

Proud to be...

PC Lickety"

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"

I would suggest that by discouraging competitive sports in schools and selling off playing fields in the 90s so that all would be winners has led to us having the most unfit, obese and unhealthy children in Europe.

I would suggest that to assuage the guilt trips that have been consistently laid on us since late 60's we have fed watered and supplied medicines to Africa and the Indian sub-continent. And that as a result we now have a world population pushing 7.5 billion and mass migration from Africa to Europe.

I would further suggest that our unwillingness to take firm military action against tyrants across the globe since the end of WW2 has led us to a position where anyone who has an axe to grind against anyone else sees us as an easy target.

I would suggest that in our mad rush to have an inclusive society where we look for the good in everyone has got us to a place where criminals are seen as victims and the victims of criminals actions are forgotten.

I would finally suggest that in our rush to political correctness we are losing all the things that we really hold dear (but are now afraid to admit we want for fear of being labelled racist, sexist, homophobic or anti any other group

)."

Sigh. School playing fields are sold off for the money, not for some weird "let's not do sports" PC attitude.

And instead of supporting victims of famine we should what, let them die in case they survive and want to come and make a better life for themselves? What a lovely idea.

The idea that criminals are seen as victims is just made up Daily Mail nonsense. We live in a country where criminals are heavily punished still. Compare to a country like Norway, where they actually rehabilitate criminals (and it works).

Unwillingness to take action against tyrants...we're sti reaping the repercussions for what we did in Iraq against Saddam. I dont know if that was the right thing to do or not, but the idea that being more aggressive in our foreign policy protects us is laughably naive.

Those aside, brilliant criticism of the terrible, bogeyman "PC brigade"

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

What disturbs me is how far apart we can be, whilst living in the same country. I would label myself as PC, put my money where my mouth is and fight against discrimination on a daily basis. Daily Mail and the Bake Off says it all really.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford


"

The pc correct brigade are best ignored. They are intolerant towards other peoples _iews are always think that their _iews are right and others are wrong . The reality is that not everyone in society is equal and we have to recognise that .

I refuse to be told how I should think

Anyone quoting that the values of the daily mail are a template for people to live by has to be the winner of the ironic post of the year award especially when they talk about the intolerence of others who challenge such _iews that such a paper pours out in its vile drivel "
. Hi. I assume that are also a Daily Mail reader . If not , how would you be aware of its content?. Are you able to give any examples of what you refer to as vile drivel or is this just a broad generalisation?.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'm in no PC society, nor know of any PC law.

But I do hold respect for others and always have done. Some may _iew people who have and expect respect to be PC - I have no clue. They bleat about PC this or that and are unintelligible.

I think though that some people have become like dinosaurs and are at risk of being outpaced by society that is uninterested in the befuddled, the outraged and the intolerant. I think there are people who expect the world to change to accommodate them, rather than accepting change and welcoming opportunity. I think that bigots are also trying to pass the blame onto others - they dislike the intolerance that others have for their own bigoted intolerance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So you would suggest that toleration and respect is short-term thinking, as oppose to violence and intolerance? Interesting POV, how has that approach worked historically?

I would suggest that by discouraging competitive sports in schools and selling off playing fields in the 90s so that all would be winners has led to us having the most unfit, obese and unhealthy children in Europe.

I would suggest that to assuage the guilt trips that have been consistently laid on us since late 60's we have fed watered and supplied medicines to Africa and the Indian sub-continent. And that as a result we now have a world population pushing 7.5 billion and mass migration from Africa to Europe.

I would further suggest that our unwillingness to take firm military action against tyrants across the globe since the end of WW2 has led us to a position where anyone who has an axe to grind against anyone else sees us as an easy target.

I would suggest that in our mad rush to have an inclusive society where we look for the good in everyone has got us to a place where criminals are seen as victims and the victims of criminals actions are forgotten.

I would finally suggest that in our rush to political correctness we are losing all the things that we really hold dear (but are now afraid to admit we want for fear of being labelled racist, sexist, homophobic or anti any other group

)."

Well said...

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford


"So you would suggest that toleration and respect is short-term thinking, as oppose to violence and intolerance? Interesting POV, how has that approach worked historically?

I would suggest that by discouraging competitive sports in schools and selling off playing fields in the 90s so that all would be winners has led to us having the most unfit, obese and unhealthy children in Europe.

I would suggest that to assuage the guilt trips that have been consistently laid on us since late 60's we have fed watered and supplied medicines to Africa and the Indian sub-continent. And that as a result we now have a world population pushing 7.5 billion and mass migration from Africa to Europe.

I would further suggest that our unwillingness to take firm military action against tyrants across the globe since the end of WW2 has led us to a position where anyone who has an axe to grind against anyone else sees us as an easy target.

I would suggest that in our mad rush to have an inclusive society where we look for the good in everyone has got us to a place where criminals are seen as victims and the victims of criminals actions are forgotten.

I would finally suggest that in our rush to political correctness we are losing all the things that we really hold dear (but are now afraid to admit we want for fear of being labelled racist, sexist, homophobic or anti any other group

)."
. An excellent post . At least you live in the real world .

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"I'm not reading the contributions as they will probably annoy me.

As the wonderful Clive Stafford Smith says, I'd rather be a do-gooder than a do-badder.

Proud to be...

PC Lickety"

That's all well and good but what happens when PC do gooder intentions end up allowing bad to happen. As in the cases of the asian paedophile grooming gangs getting away with what they did for so long in Rochdale and Rotherham because the authorities were afraid to act for fear of being called "racist". There are always consequences to ones actions.

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By *sianmale89Man
over a year ago

Stockport


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That's all well and good but what happens when PC do gooder intentions end up allowing bad to happen. As in the cases of the asian paedophile grooming gangs getting away with what they did for so long in Rochdale and Rotherham because the authorities were afraid to act for fear of being called "racist". There are always consequences to ones actions. "

I never make any excuses for people who groom kids or have rape gangs etc etc by all means lock them away and throw away the keys...

however I wonder was jimmy saville asian? I suppose all of operation yew tree suspects and those found guilty were all asian too?

you know what perhaps those paedophille rings in west minster were all asians too eh? or those lords and commanders or all those reports in the papers off V.I.P. rings must have been asian eh?

wake up you muppet this country has always been majority white and always will be overall statistics wise more whites have raped their own or others because ding dong ITS A WHITE COUNTRY AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN...

but yeah you know what all those ethnics you hear about must be the majority perpetrators but you know what when people like jimmy saville or rolf harris did it everyone just idle sat by and thought hmmm what nice gentleman they were who could not hurt a fly..

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over a year ago


"I'm not reading the contributions as they will probably annoy me.

As the wonderful Clive Stafford Smith says, I'd rather be a do-gooder than a do-badder.

Proud to be...

PC Lickety

That's all well and good but what happens when PC do gooder intentions end up allowing bad to happen. As in the cases of the asian paedophile grooming gangs getting away with what they did for so long in Rochdale and Rotherham because the authorities were afraid to act for fear of being called "racist". There are always consequences to ones actions. "

I'd describe allowing paedophile gangs to get away with their crimes as doing bad whatever the colour or religion of the offender or the child. As a do-gooder I'd expect the authorities to do their job in terms of child protection. You have a distorted _iew of what doing good means possibly because you've got so used to trying to use it as an insult you've forgotten what the words actually mean.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"I'm not reading the contributions as they will probably annoy me.

As the wonderful Clive Stafford Smith says, I'd rather be a do-gooder than a do-badder.

Proud to be...

PC Lickety

That's all well and good but what happens when PC do gooder intentions end up allowing bad to happen. As in the cases of the asian paedophile grooming gangs getting away with what they did for so long in Rochdale and Rotherham because the authorities were afraid to act for fear of being called "racist". There are always consequences to ones actions.

I'd describe allowing paedophile gangs to get away with their crimes as doing bad whatever the colour or religion of the offender or the child. As a do-gooder I'd expect the authorities to do their job in terms of child protection. You have a distorted _iew of what doing good means possibly because you've got so used to trying to use it as an insult you've forgotten what the words actually mean."

They were allowed to get away with it for as long as they did because of political correctness, that is the whole point. Bad sometimes ends up happening because of the 'do gooder' attitute. Your _iew is distorted if you cannot accept and acknowledge that.

Also another point to pick with you from the other thread which filled up on the Paris attackers posing as refugees to gain access into France.

As of midnight Sky news reported that at least 2 of the attackers are now known to have travelled back into France from Syria posing as refugees and hiding in amongst the refugees. It's also on the front page of the daily star tomorrow one of them was saved from a sinking boat full of migrants in the Mediterranean Sea, registered as a refugee in Greece before travelling along the refugee migrant routes into France. What was that you were saying about 2 and 2 not adding upto 4 on the other thread?

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford


"

That's all well and good but what happens when PC do gooder intentions end up allowing bad to happen. As in the cases of the asian paedophile grooming gangs getting away with what they did for so long in Rochdale and Rotherham because the authorities were afraid to act for fear of being called "racist". There are always consequences to ones actions.

I never make any excuses for people who groom kids or have rape gangs etc etc by all means lock them away and throw away the keys...

however I wonder was jimmy saville asian? I suppose all of operation yew tree suspects and those found guilty were all asian too?

you know what perhaps those paedophille rings in west minster were all asians too eh? or those lords and commanders or all those reports in the papers off V.I.P. rings must have been asian eh?

wake up you muppet this country has always been majority white and always will be overall statistics wise more whites have raped their own or others because ding dong ITS A WHITE COUNTRY AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN...

but yeah you know what all those ethnics you hear about must be the majority perpetrators but you know what when people like jimmy saville or rolf harris did it everyone just idle sat by and thought hmmm what nice gentleman they were who could not hurt a fly.."
. One slight problem with part of your post . There never was a paedophile ring at Westminster and. the various allegations have been been shown to be untrue . Action concerning Rochdale would have been taken much earlier , but the various authorities were afraid of being branded as racist ..

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By *sianmale89Man
over a year ago

Stockport


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One slight problem with part of your post . There never was a paedophile ring at Westminster and. the various allegations have been been shown to be untrue . Action concerning Rochdale would have been taken much earlier , but the various authorities were afraid of being branded as racist .."

point is however we accept responsibility that there were certain members of the asian community who were in gangs and carrying out sick crimes of grooming young girls that is without a doubt...

what I don't get is the hypocrisy is that when anyone else does it hardly anyone blinks an eye or gives a shit..

yet if a couple of sick minded asian lads round the country in a few gangs do it everyone is suddenly up in arms with fire and pitch forks..

if anything there was a fail in the system too in apprehending those types who commit those crimes who were not only asian but other groups as well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm not reading the contributions as they will probably annoy me.

As the wonderful Clive Stafford Smith says, I'd rather be a do-gooder than a do-badder.

Proud to be...

PC Lickety

That's all well and good but what happens when PC do gooder intentions end up allowing bad to happen. As in the cases of the asian paedophile grooming gangs getting away with what they did for so long in Rochdale and Rotherham because the authorities were afraid to act for fear of being called "racist". There are always consequences to ones actions.

I'd describe allowing paedophile gangs to get away with their crimes as doing bad whatever the colour or religion of the offender or the child. As a do-gooder I'd expect the authorities to do their job in terms of child protection. You have a distorted _iew of what doing good means possibly because you've got so used to trying to use it as an insult you've forgotten what the words actually mean.

They were allowed to get away with it for as long as they did because of political correctness, that is the whole point. Bad sometimes ends up happening because of the 'do gooder' attitute. Your _iew is distorted if you cannot accept and acknowledge that.

Also another point to pick with you from the other thread which filled up on the Paris attackers posing as refugees to gain access into France.

As of midnight Sky news reported that at least 2 of the attackers are now known to have travelled back into France from Syria posing as refugees and hiding in amongst the refugees. It's also on the front page of the daily star tomorrow one of them was saved from a sinking boat full of migrants in the Mediterranean Sea, registered as a refugee in Greece before travelling along the refugee migrant routes into France. What was that you were saying about 2 and 2 not adding upto 4 on the other thread? "

You keep rehashing the same old rubbish.

Do you understand what good means? Doing good does not mean allowing child abuse except in the warped minds of certain people.

Secondly, you were the one going on about 2 and 2 making or not making 4, not me - try to get at least that right. If you bothered to read what I wrote, I said wait until the evidence comes in from the French police and don't jump to conclusions. That should be an easy enough to understand.

Meanwhile the Sky News report available on-line at 02:10 today at http://news.sky.com/story/1588193/police-let-fugitive-suspect-go-after-attacks has a video which clearly states it's not known whether the Syrian passport found was real or fake. In the description of the journey of the passport holder they use the word 'may' 5 or 6 times because they are not sure about the connection with the actual terrorist. There's a one month gap in the time line between the passport user entering Hungary and the terror attack.

Trey to look at the evidence objectively.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"I'm not reading the contributions as they will probably annoy me.

As the wonderful Clive Stafford Smith says, I'd rather be a do-gooder than a do-badder.

Proud to be...

PC Lickety

That's all well and good but what happens when PC do gooder intentions end up allowing bad to happen. As in the cases of the asian paedophile grooming gangs getting away with what they did for so long in Rochdale and Rotherham because the authorities were afraid to act for fear of being called "racist". There are always consequences to ones actions.

I'd describe allowing paedophile gangs to get away with their crimes as doing bad whatever the colour or religion of the offender or the child. As a do-gooder I'd expect the authorities to do their job in terms of child protection. You have a distorted _iew of what doing good means possibly because you've got so used to trying to use it as an insult you've forgotten what the words actually mean.

They were allowed to get away with it for as long as they did because of political correctness, that is the whole point. Bad sometimes ends up happening because of the 'do gooder' attitute. Your _iew is distorted if you cannot accept and acknowledge that.

Also another point to pick with you from the other thread which filled up on the Paris attackers posing as refugees to gain access into France.

As of midnight Sky news reported that at least 2 of the attackers are now known to have travelled back into France from Syria posing as refugees and hiding in amongst the refugees. It's also on the front page of the daily star tomorrow one of them was saved from a sinking boat full of migrants in the Mediterranean Sea, registered as a refugee in Greece before travelling along the refugee migrant routes into France. What was that you were saying about 2 and 2 not adding upto 4 on the other thread?

You keep rehashing the same old rubbish.

Do you understand what good means? Doing good does not mean allowing child abuse except in the warped minds of certain people.

Secondly, you were the one going on about 2 and 2 making or not making 4, not me - try to get at least that right. If you bothered to read what I wrote, I said wait until the evidence comes in from the French police and don't jump to conclusions. That should be an easy enough to understand.

Meanwhile the Sky News report available on-line at 02:10 today at http://news.sky.com/story/1588193/police-let-fugitive-suspect-go-after-attacks has a video which clearly states it's not known whether the Syrian passport found was real or fake. In the description of the journey of the passport holder they use the word 'may' 5 or 6 times because they are not sure about the connection with the actual terrorist. There's a one month gap in the time line between the passport user entering Hungary and the terror attack.

Trey to look at the evidence objectively.

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I'm afraid you keep rehashing the same old rubbish too. I did read what you wrote it's a shame you don't actually read what I've written either, I wasn't 'jumping to conclusions' just saying what itv news reported 2 days ago, and what was on the front page of several newspapers yesterday, now sky news are going with it, but that still doesn't seem 'official' enough for some people on here.

Looking at the evidence objectively is a two way street but you seem to want to continue to bury your head in the sand and ignore the evidence as it piles up day after day. That's what police do they look at the available evidence and then come to a rational conclusion based on that evidence even when they sometimes don't have a full picture of exactly what happened.

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over a year ago


"I'm not reading the contributions as they will probably annoy me.

As the wonderful Clive Stafford Smith says, I'd rather be a do-gooder than a do-badder.

Proud to be...

PC Lickety

That's all well and good but what happens when PC do gooder intentions end up allowing bad to happen. As in the cases of the asian paedophile grooming gangs getting away with what they did for so long in Rochdale and Rotherham because the authorities were afraid to act for fear of being called "racist". There are always consequences to ones actions.

I'd describe allowing paedophile gangs to get away with their crimes as doing bad whatever the colour or religion of the offender or the child. As a do-gooder I'd expect the authorities to do their job in terms of child protection. You have a distorted _iew of what doing good means possibly because you've got so used to trying to use it as an insult you've forgotten what the words actually mean.

They were allowed to get away with it for as long as they did because of political correctness, that is the whole point. Bad sometimes ends up happening because of the 'do gooder' attitute. Your _iew is distorted if you cannot accept and acknowledge that.

Also another point to pick with you from the other thread which filled up on the Paris attackers posing as refugees to gain access into France.

As of midnight Sky news reported that at least 2 of the attackers are now known to have travelled back into France from Syria posing as refugees and hiding in amongst the refugees. It's also on the front page of the daily star tomorrow one of them was saved from a sinking boat full of migrants in the Mediterranean Sea, registered as a refugee in Greece before travelling along the refugee migrant routes into France. What was that you were saying about 2 and 2 not adding upto 4 on the other thread?

You keep rehashing the same old rubbish.

Do you understand what good means? Doing good does not mean allowing child abuse except in the warped minds of certain people.

Secondly, you were the one going on about 2 and 2 making or not making 4, not me - try to get at least that right. If you bothered to read what I wrote, I said wait until the evidence comes in from the French police and don't jump to conclusions. That should be an easy enough to understand.

Meanwhile the Sky News report available on-line at 02:10 today at http://news.sky.com/story/1588193/police-let-fugitive-suspect-go-after-attacks has a video which clearly states it's not known whether the Syrian passport found was real or fake. In the description of the journey of the passport holder they use the word 'may' 5 or 6 times because they are not sure about the connection with the actual terrorist. There's a one month gap in the time line between the passport user entering Hungary and the terror attack.

Trey to look at the evidence objectively.

I'm afraid you keep rehashing the same old rubbish too. I did read what you wrote it's a shame you don't actually read what I've written either, I wasn't 'jumping to conclusions' just saying what itv news reported 2 days ago, and what was on the front page of several newspapers yesterday, now sky news are going with it, but that still doesn't seem 'official' enough for some people on here.

Looking at the evidence objectively is a two way street but you seem to want to continue to bury your head in the sand and ignore the evidence as it piles up day after day. That's what police do they look at the available evidence and then come to a rational conclusion based on that evidence even when they sometimes don't have a full picture of exactly what happened. "

Well it's good to see you admitting in writing at long last that you are rehashing rubbish. So all that stuff you wrote yesterday about 2 plus 2 making 4 wasn't about how you, ahead of the police, had come to a conclusion that links the passport to a terrorist? And yet this morning at 8 am news broadcasts are saying the police are still investigating the provenance of the passport. Thankfully they seem to be doing their job and investigating rather than jumping to conclusions. You could learn from them.

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over a year ago

There you go centaur ... Now the police have confirmed that one of the terrorists came in via leros though they still have not connected him with the passport.

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over a year ago

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