FabSwingers.com forum: UK Christians

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

This isn't a thread related to the atrocities in Paris last night, so please try and keep such issues off it, however, the debates since inspired my curiosity to have a look at how widespread religion actually is in this country - notably among Caucasians in this case (though other Christian ethnicities are free to contribute too)

A quick look at Wikipedia states that around 60% of the UK population identifies as Christian, however, it seems to me that most people I talk to day to day don't seem to actually PRACTICE it (as in knowing the bible, going to church, praying regularly etc, though I'm aware that peoples views on what constitutes proper religious practice may differ) or identify as either Atheist or Agnostic.

What are other peoples views on this? Do people here consider themselves to be Christians?

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

I think a lot of people identify as being brought up in the Christian tradition.

However most don't practice Christianity in the sense of organised religion.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

I was christened, and my mother is quite a strong Christian, but we weren't brought up practicing Christianity. I have no religion, and my daughter hasn't been christened.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I went to Sunday school as a child,I enjoyed the stories and kindness behind the stories. As I grew up and heard of different stories,that were hand picked by men to use as control over people,and kept hearing how I had to follow their rules to get into heaven,or do what I want and repent on my death bed, I decide not to worship. The ideal behind religion became soured to me as I grew up and realised it's all smoke screen for controlling people. I can't worship someone who was living 2000 years ago in a world that doesn't represent our world now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The vast majority of Christians I know seem to celebrate if purely by buying Chtistmas presents and Easter Eggs. The teachings of the bible and the small matter of going to to church seem largely irrelevant

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I went to Sunday school as a child,I enjoyed the stories and kindness behind the stories. As I grew up and heard of different stories,that were hand picked by men to use as control over people,and kept hearing how I had to follow their rules to get into heaven,or do what I want and repent on my death bed, I decide not to worship. The ideal behind religion became soured to me as I grew up and realised it's all smoke screen for controlling people. I can't worship someone who was living 2000 years ago in a world that doesn't represent our world now. "

I often feel the same way, it's amazing how beliefs and philosophies, which I do honestly believe came about from those trying to improve the world for everyone, can become so tainted by the power hungry few who find ways to manipulate them as tools of control.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was brought up as a Catholic, went to church every Sunday, did the whole christening, First Communion, Confirmation and got married in a Catholic Church.

I stopped going to church on a regular basis when I was 16, I was going because my mum wanted me to go, not because I wanted to.

I'm not sure what I believe now but I definitely wouldn't dismiss it as mumbo jumbo.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was brought up as a Catholic, went to church every Sunday, did the whole christening, First Communion, Confirmation and got married in a Catholic Church.

I stopped going to church on a regular basis when I was 16, I was going because my mum wanted me to go, not because I wanted to.

I'm not sure what I believe now but I definitely wouldn't dismiss it as mumbo jumbo."

Same here

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By *aucy tiggerWoman
over a year ago

Back where I belong

Although christened I didn't have a particularly religious upbringing. My parents were of the opinion myself and my brothers could decide for ourselves when we were older.

Neither of my sons are christened, I chose to leave it up to them to decide if they wanted to follow a religion, but we did instil good manners and respect into them.

I have no particular interest at all, especially when I read and hear about all the atrocities carried out in the name of religion.

When filling in forms I always select none.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

I tend to lean towards Buddhism as it's a non prophet phillosophy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a child I think the stories like the Good Samaritan influenced me and I wanted to be good to people. After reading books on how wicked nuns,priests and other clergy can be,saw the greed and wealth of the Churches and even now see the intolerance and fear that Christianity has and uses for control,I don't want to be a part of it. I don't believe there is a God or that Bible stories are accurate. I try to be a good person to other people,because it's a good thing to do,not to earn a place in Heaven.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The "Christians" I know seem to be good at picking teachings that they agree with and follow and ignoring certain teachings that don't suit them.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

We are one Christian and one Buddhist

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"The "Christians" I know seem to be good at picking teachings that they agree with and follow and ignoring certain teachings that don't suit them.

Would you rather they stoned adulters?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The "Christians" I know seem to be good at picking teachings that they agree with and follow and ignoring certain teachings that don't suit them.

Would you rather they stoned adulters? "

Absolutey not, but I would not count myself as religious.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The most active Christians we come across is Africans/Afro Caribbean it's very rare we've come across Caucasian Christians not not sure if they may feel we'd be offended but never been approached. We've been to church plenty of times and enjoyed it.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I don't follow any religion from choice.

I find it difficult to comprehend how any thinking person believes there to be a God.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The actual number of Christians is somewhat flawed as the vast majority are christened shortly after birth when they have no say in the matter

As they grow in to adults and make their own choice about faith they are still regarded as a Christian due to their parents decision, this is a big reason as to why the Church of England has so many seats at the House of Lords - yet in reality the large number of 'Christians' they are representing don't actually practice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The actual number of Christians is somewhat flawed as the vast majority are christened shortly after birth when they have no say in the matter

That's the same with all religions though isn't it? Your parents decide your religion and brain wash you into believing,from birth. Some religions are more forceful than others.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"The actual number of Christians is somewhat flawed as the vast majority are christened shortly after birth when they have no say in the matter

That's the same with all religions though isn't it? Your parents decide your religion and brain wash you into believing,from birth. Some religions are more forceful than others. "

And some parents are more forceful than others too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a recovered Christian i have come to terms with the fact that everyone i know and love, and myself will suffer an eternity in hell. I blame Eve.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was not christened and have grown up not believing.

I think that religion causes war and I have no time for any of it.

I don't think any religion is worse than any other. I dislike them all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a recovered Christian i have come to terms with the fact that everyone i know and love, and myself will suffer an eternity in hell. I blame Eve."

She's going to punch your lights out when she sees this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The actual number of Christians is somewhat flawed as the vast majority are christened shortly after birth when they have no say in the matter

That's the same with all religions though isn't it? Your parents decide your religion and brain wash you into believing,from birth. Some religions are more forceful than others.

And some parents are more forceful than others too. "

Some people have weaker minds than others.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Pagan with a touch of Jedi

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"This isn't a thread related to the atrocities in Paris last night, so please try and keep such issues off it, however, the debates since inspired my curiosity to have a look at how widespread religion actually is in this country - notably among Caucasians in this case (though other Christian ethnicities are free to contribute too)

What are other peoples views on this? Do people here consider themselves to be Christians?"
. I am a Christian and an Anglican. I am proud to be both .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a recovered Christian i have come to terms with the fact that everyone i know and love, and myself will suffer an eternity in hell. I blame Eve.

She's going to punch your lights out when she sees this"

Is she on here?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a recovered Christian i have come to terms with the fact that everyone i know and love, and myself will suffer an eternity in hell. I blame Eve.

She's going to punch your lights out when she sees this

Is she on here?!

Your very own Eve is. Run

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"The "Christians" I know seem to be good at picking teachings that they agree with and follow and ignoring certain teachings that don't suit them.

Would you rather they stoned adulters?

Absolutey not, but I would not count myself as religious. "

But its not about you, you are complaining that Christians are following the bible. So if you want them to, it would involve a lot of craziness, including the stoning of adulterers

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"I tend to lean towards Buddhism as it's a non prophet phillosophy"

erm, Gautama was a prophet

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

I am a not very good, but practicing Catholic. I regularly attend Mass, know the Bible reasonably well, pray whenever I can

Ido not 'push' my beliefs on anyone and do not even discuss my beliefs or religion unless they ask me

I also visit swingers clubs

[ now getting ready to be told that I am a either delusional or a hypocrite or both ]

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The "Christians" I know seem to be good at picking teachings that they agree with and follow and ignoring certain teachings that don't suit them.

Would you rather they stoned adulters?

Absolutey not, but I would not count myself as religious.

But its not about you, you are complaining that Christians are following the bible. So if you want them to, it would involve a lot of craziness, including the stoning of adulterers "

And abstinence from shellfish.

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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

Religion has ruined this world

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was not christened and have grown up not believing.

I think that religion causes war and I have no time for any of it.

I don't think any religion is worse than any other. I dislike them all. "

I think it's people that cause war, sometimes in the name of religion but generally it's people who are the cause.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was not christened and have grown up not believing.

I think that religion causes war and I have no time for any of it.

I don't think any religion is worse than any other. I dislike them all.

I think it's people that cause war, sometimes in the name of religion but generally it's people who are the cause."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Was brought up in a Christian environment, but am totally agnostic. As far as Christian values go, I try to treat others as I would like to be treated myself

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By *hampagneAfterpartyCouple
over a year ago

"Religion has ruined this world "

So true!

Having faith and believing in a higher power, which ever one you believe in is great. Joining the club and believing the incredible works of fiction that all religions dish out and letting it direct your way of thinking and warping your mind to believe implausible things is where it gets scary. Religion without common sense is dangerous

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not Christian at all.non of my family are.we are all atheists

I do not socialise with anyone who goes to church

Christian values is a bit of a myth. Values for living together were around way before man invented religion.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

If it harms no one, do as you will.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not Christian at all.non of my family are.we are all atheists

I do not socialise with anyone who goes to church

Christian values is a bit of a myth. Values for living together were around way before man invented religion."

What would you do if you met people who you really liked and wanted to socialise with but then found out they went to church ?

Would you just not bother with them ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The "Christians" I know seem to be good at picking teachings that they agree with and follow and ignoring certain teachings that don't suit them.

Would you rather they stoned adulters?

Absolutey not, but I would not count myself as religious.

But its not about you, you are complaining that Christians are following the bible. So if you want them to, it would involve a lot of craziness, including the stoning of adulterers "

I wasn't complaining that Christians follow the bible, I was saying that I find it odd that people can follow the parts that suit them.

Not what is in the book they believe in, ie stoning adulterers as the example you used.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"The "Christians" I know seem to be good at picking teachings that they agree with and follow and ignoring certain teachings that don't suit them.

Would you rather they stoned adulters?

Absolutey not, but I would not count myself as religious.

But its not about you, you are complaining that Christians are following the bible. So if you want them to, it would involve a lot of craziness, including the stoning of adulterers

I wasn't complaining that Christians follow the bible, I was saying that I find it odd that people can follow the parts that suit them.

Not what is in the book they believe in, ie stoning adulterers as the example you used. "

But ofcourse

Just because I was once stopped for speeding on a motorway, I might as well throw in the towel and commit murder too. Afterall, I am now already a law-breaker, so nothing matters

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By *hampagneAfterpartyCouple
over a year ago

"The "Christians" I know seem to be good at picking teachings that they agree with and follow and ignoring certain teachings that don't suit them.

Would you rather they stoned adulters?

Absolutey not, but I would not count myself as religious.

But its not about you, you are complaining that Christians are following the bible. So if you want them to, it would involve a lot of craziness, including the stoning of adulterers

I wasn't complaining that Christians follow the bible, I was saying that I find it odd that people can follow the parts that suit them.

Not what is in the book they believe in, ie stoning adulterers as the example you used. "

You have to pick bits to follow and not others, because it's full of contradictions so impossible to follow all of it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The "Christians" I know seem to be good at picking teachings that they agree with and follow and ignoring certain teachings that don't suit them.

Would you rather they stoned adulters?

Absolutey not, but I would not count myself as religious.

But its not about you, you are complaining that Christians are following the bible. So if you want them to, it would involve a lot of craziness, including the stoning of adulterers

I wasn't complaining that Christians follow the bible, I was saying that I find it odd that people can follow the parts that suit them.

Not what is in the book they believe in, ie stoning adulterers as the example you used.

But ofcourse

Just because I was once stopped for speeding on a motorway, I might as well throw in the towel and commit murder too. Afterall, I am now already a law-breaker, so nothing matters"

So how does no string sex fit in with the teachings of Christianity? I would have thought that like chalk and cheese?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Complete atheist here I only know two people who identify as Christian. Everyone else I know is an atheist xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Or other religious denomination xx

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By *hampagneAfterpartyCouple
over a year ago

"The "Christians" I know seem to be good at picking teachings that they agree with and follow and ignoring certain teachings that don't suit them.

Would you rather they stoned adulters?

Absolutey not, but I would not count myself as religious.

But its not about you, you are complaining that Christians are following the bible. So if you want them to, it would involve a lot of craziness, including the stoning of adulterers

I wasn't complaining that Christians follow the bible, I was saying that I find it odd that people can follow the parts that suit them.

Not what is in the book they believe in, ie stoning adulterers as the example you used.

But ofcourse

Just because I was once stopped for speeding on a motorway, I might as well throw in the towel and commit murder too. Afterall, I am now already a law-breaker, so nothing matters

So how does no string sex fit in with the teachings of Christianity? I would have thought that like chalk and cheese? "

If you want no string sex they send you off to join the Catholic Church as a priest, where it's encouraged!

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By *entenTeaCouple
over a year ago

Buckley North Wales

"I am a not very good, but practicing Catholic. I regularly attend Mass, know the Bible reasonably well, pray whenever I can

Ido not 'push' my beliefs on anyone and do not even discuss my beliefs or religion unless they ask me

I also visit swingers clubs

[ now getting ready to be told that I am a either delusional or a hypocrite or both ]"

Your not alone, there are other Christians on here. We celibrate the bodies and sexuality we're blessed with. As for adultery we dont go behind each others back. Adultery is cheating if your honest and up front why worry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

brought up catholic but have no religious belief at all.....and i think you'll find the 'stoning adulterers' stuff is actually not christian...in the bible its where jesus supposedly stopped a stoning and did the 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone' bit...

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By *ubicinchMan
over a year ago

Gwynedd

"I tend to lean towards Buddhism as it's a non prophet phillosophy"
all prophets go to charity?

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"The "Christians" I know seem to be good at picking teachings that they agree with and follow and ignoring certain teachings that don't suit them.

Would you rather they stoned adulters?

Absolutey not, but I would not count myself as religious.

But its not about you, you are complaining that Christians are following the bible. So if you want them to, it would involve a lot of craziness, including the stoning of adulterers

I wasn't complaining that Christians follow the bible, I was saying that I find it odd that people can follow the parts that suit them.

Not what is in the book they believe in, ie stoning adulterers as the example you used.

But ofcourse

Just because I was once stopped for speeding on a motorway, I might as well throw in the towel and commit murder too. Afterall, I am now already a law-breaker, so nothing matters

So how does no string sex fit in with the teachings of Christianity? I would have thought that like chalk and cheese? "

It doesn't. But there are lots of other things in my life which do

Like I said, the moment anyone here puts their hand up to the question, "are you a Christian", they will be labeled as delusional, hypocritical or both

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"Religion has ruined this world "
. People practising religious beliefs has made the world a much better place in which to live . Are you confusing religion with politics ?.

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By *hampagneAfterpartyCouple
over a year ago

"Religion has ruined this world . People practising religious beliefs has made the world a much better place in which to live . Are you confusing religion with politics ?. "

Since the dawn of time I'd say religion has killed far more people than politics

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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

"Religion has ruined this world . People practising religious beliefs has made the world a much better place in which to live . Are you confusing religion with politics ?. "

If you profess to be an active swinger, there are religious people who would happily take your life for your views and lifestyle.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Religion has ruined this world . People practising religious beliefs has made the world a much better place in which to live . Are you confusing religion with politics ?.

If you profess to be an active swinger, there are religious people who would happily take your life for your views and lifestyle.

I wouldn't; even when I wasn't a 'swinger', I would not have said a word to anyone, let alone, take their life

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"The "Christians" I know seem to be good at picking teachings that they agree with and follow and ignoring certain teachings that don't suit them.

Would you rather they stoned adulters?

Absolutey not, but I would not count myself as religious.

But its not about you, you are complaining that Christians are following the bible. So if you want them to, it would involve a lot of craziness, including the stoning of adulterers

I wasn't complaining that Christians follow the bible, I was saying that I find it odd that people can follow the parts that suit them.

Not what is in the book they believe in, ie stoning adulterers as the example you used. "

Sorry I meant you were complaining that people where NOT following the bible. So if you want them to follow it all, then you would have to put up with all kinds of craziness. I doubt it would be significantly different to sharia law.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Religion has ruined this world . People practising religious beliefs has made the world a much better place in which to live . Are you confusing religion with politics ?.

If you profess to be an active swinger, there are religious people who would happily take your life for your views and lifestyle.

There are "religious people" who would take your life for the simple fact that your breathing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The "Christians" I know seem to be good at picking teachings that they agree with and follow and ignoring certain teachings that don't suit them.

Would you rather they stoned adulters?

Absolutey not, but I would not count myself as religious.

But its not about you, you are complaining that Christians are following the bible. So if you want them to, it would involve a lot of craziness, including the stoning of adulterers

I wasn't complaining that Christians follow the bible, I was saying that I find it odd that people can follow the parts that suit them.

Not what is in the book they believe in, ie stoning adulterers as the example you used.

But ofcourse

Just because I was once stopped for speeding on a motorway, I might as well throw in the towel and commit murder too. Afterall, I am now already a law-breaker, so nothing matters

So how does no string sex fit in with the teachings of Christianity? I would have thought that like chalk and cheese?

It doesn't. But there are lots of other things in my life which do

Like I said, the moment anyone here puts their hand up to the question, "are you a Christian", they will be labeled as delusional, hypocritical or both"

Agree with this

I'm not a Christian but I have noticed the moment people say they are Christian the mob come out on the prowl.

Live and let live

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"Religion has ruined this world . People practising religious beliefs has made the world a much better place in which to live . Are you confusing religion with politics ?.

If you profess to be an active swinger, there are religious people who would happily take your life for your views and lifestyle.

"
. I do not think any Christians would take this course of action .I have never heard of it happening . A lot of Christians are more tolerated and open minded than aethists

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

A lot of Christians are more tolerated and open minded than aethists "

... you have belfast listed as one of your locations and you come out this gem?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's just a tiny minority pursuit now, I think, to actively engage with this religion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Regular churchgoer here, yes. Never been so glad to have my faith.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

A lot of Christians are more tolerated and open minded than aethists

... you have belfast listed as one of your locations and you come out this gem?"
. Yes because Christianity brings out the best in people . I think you may be confusing politics with religion. True Christians do not fight.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"I am a not very good, but practicing Catholic. I regularly attend Mass, know the Bible reasonably well, pray whenever I can

Ido not 'push' my beliefs on anyone and do not even discuss my beliefs or religion unless they ask me

I also visit swingers clubs

[ now getting ready to be told that I am a either delusional or a hypocrite or both ]

Glad to see someone else who does not feel that all is lost just because they had sex with someone they are not married to in Church; xxx

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

A lot of Christians are more tolerated and open minded than aethists

... you have belfast listed as one of your locations and you come out this gem?. Yes because Christianity brings out the best in people . I think you may be confusing politics with religion. True Christians do not fight. "

nice idea but the reality is quite different. just look at loyal orange order. proven to be the driving force behind the loyalist paramilitary groups and unionist armed factions. since its formation in 1795 it's sought to enforce protestant domination by any means necessary. how many marches end in violence? aside from NI, there's plenty of christian terrrist groups around the world.

however saying this, i would say that most wars are started over resources not religion. religion is just used as a means to glavanize support for wars once they have already started.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not Christian at all.non of my family are.we are all atheists

I do not socialise with anyone who goes to church

Christian values is a bit of a myth. Values for living together were around way before man invented religion.

What would you do if you met people who you really liked and wanted to socialise with but then found out they went to church ?

Would you just not bother with them ?

I would not assosiate with people who went to church

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"I'm not Christian at all.non of my family are.we are all atheists

I do not socialise with anyone who goes to church

Christian values is a bit of a myth. Values for living together were around way before man invented religion.

What would you do if you met people who you really liked and wanted to socialise with but then found out they went to church ?

Would you just not bother with them ?

I would not assosiate with people who went to church"

It varies. I am friends with people who are very devout Irish Catholics, my militant atheism doesn't get in the way because we both acknowledge we have different views and that they are nothing to do with each other.

However I have recently broken off all contact with another former friend due to her Christian Fundamentalist views. Ive no problem with people believing, what have a major problem with is the mindset that believes they should be able to force that view on others, that religion be exempt from equality law, that religion demands a platform of privilege to use to push its ideology.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

10% of the UK adult population go to church at least weekly. 2007 data.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not Christian at all.non of my family are.we are all atheists

I do not socialise with anyone who goes to church

Christian values is a bit of a myth. Values for living together were around way before man invented religion."

So is that one of the questions you ask before socialising?

Do you go to church? Yes, then sorry we won't socialise with you then.

I understand that you can meet or not meet based on any reason. Smoking, being left handed walking with a limp. I just find it a bit of an odd question to ask people before you meet them.

So what if you met them, enjoyed their company and were friends, then found out they went to church? Would that be all over?

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

What are other peoples views on this? Do people here consider themselves to be Christians?"

I too was raise in a Christian family, but I'd decided by aroun 5years old that I didn't believe. I have called myself an atheist for thirty years now.

I'm fairly sure, I read earlier this year that the number of British Nationals who identified as being Athiest/Agnostic had now exceeded 50%.

Cal

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

I have to add. Although I'm an Athiest, I have no issues with other people having their own beliefs. I have a few friends who are quite prominent in their church, and whilst their "spiritual" posts on Facebook are slightly irritating, their faith makes them happy. Obviously they're my friends and their happiness makes me happy too.

Cal x

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

I know Christian, Muslim, atheist and more.

I'd never think to isolate myself from others based on their religious beliefs.

There are many religious crimes, there are many atheist and agnostic crimes. North Korea is hardly a haven given its strict banning of religion.

The USSR and many other regimes have tried to irradiate religion they never seemed any less fundamental for the effort.

You just have to accept that groups of humans tend to be a bit crap.

Best example 1 d*unk person is annoying. A group of d*unken lads and or ladies can cause huge trouble on a night out.

Simple answers to complex problems never really work out as intended.

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By *reedy_for_funCouple
over a year ago

My House

Religion is the root of all evil. End of.

That is all

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

"Religion is the root of all evil. End of.

That is all"

Is that an oxymoron?

Can you believe in evil without believing in religion?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Religion is the root of all evil. End of.

That is all"

Exactly the same attitude as the headcases.....

If people want religion fair enough it's when people belittle the views of others the problems come. If your not being forced or your not harming anyone what's the issue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Religion is the root of all evil. End of.

That is all"

I disagree.

Some religious people cause problems but so do some atheists.

Some religious people do nothing but good as do some atheists.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"I am a not very good, but practicing Catholic. I regularly attend Mass, know the Bible reasonably well, pray whenever I can

Ido not 'push' my beliefs on anyone and do not even discuss my beliefs or religion unless they ask me

I also visit swingers clubs

[ now getting ready to be told that I am a either delusional or a hypocrite or both ]"

Only by the usual intolerant, mostly atheists, who seem to think that if you don't believe or practice the way they either do themselves or believe others should, then you are a hypocrite, delusional or possibly both.

I consider myself a Christian because I believe I am saved by Christ. It doesn't matter what else I believe or do, that is all i have to believe to be a Christian.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Religion has ruined this world . People practising religious beliefs has made the world a much better place in which to live . Are you confusing religion with politics ?.

Since the dawn of time I'd say religion has killed far more people than politics"

Communism, Nazi and fascism were responsible for more deaths in the 20th century than deaths caused by religious conflict in the whole of recorded history.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

"Religion has ruined this world . People practising religious beliefs has made the world a much better place in which to live . Are you confusing religion with politics ?.

Since the dawn of time I'd say religion has killed far more people than politics

Communism, Nazi and fascism were responsible for more deaths in the 20th century than deaths caused by religious conflict in the whole of recorded history.

Stop putting facts in the way of a good old rant.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Religion has ruined this world . People practising religious beliefs has made the world a much better place in which to live . Are you confusing religion with politics ?.

If you profess to be an active swinger, there are religious people who would happily take your life for your views and lifestyle.

Of all the ' religious people ' I know all would most definitely not take anybody's life for anything let alone for their life style. Do you actually know any personally who would?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Religion has ruined this world . People practising religious beliefs has made the world a much better place in which to live . Are you confusing religion with politics ?.

If you profess to be an active swinger, there are religious people who would happily take your life for your views and lifestyle.

There are "religious people" who would take your life for the simple fact that your breathing. "

Again, have you actually met any?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What are other peoples views on this? Do people here consider themselves to be Christians?"

I don't follow any religion. I was never christened & I've never christened my children. Religion should be a choice not something pushed on to you.

I'm not against religion. Please don't take my comment in the wrong context.

I have family members who are practising Christians & they get great comfort from it. But I do also think a lot of people get their kids christened just so they can have a big party after it & gets lots of money & gifts as a lot of people I know had their kids christened but have never stepped foot in a church since.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a Christian. Catholic in fact, although I appreciate people may find that difficult to reconcile with my presence on here. Anyone who identifies as Christian on this site is quickly called deluded or worse, even from the same liberal-minded folk who preach tolerance on other threads.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If having lots of no strings sex with people is ok.

Maybe I could be a devout Christian. I'll ask my local minister for advice and see what he thinks

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

"If having lots of no strings sex with people is ok.

Maybe I could be a devout Christian. I'll ask my local minister for advice and see what he thinks

He or she may ask to join you at a club.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am not religious and a non beleiver.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

"I am not religious and a non beleiver."

Each to their own but being a religious non believer is the new norm.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Religion is the root of all evil. End of.

That is all

I disagree.

Some religious people cause problems but so do some atheists.

Some religious people do nothing but good as do some atheists."

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

Having been on this site for quite sometime now I can honestly say that in all the threads on this subject I have noticed that the ones who come out and openly say they are religious or even Christian seem to come across as much nicer, tolerant and more liberal minded people than those that seem to be militantly opposed to it.

And that tolerance and niceness seems to come across in other threads they post on to.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"I have to add. Although I'm an Athiest, I have no issues with other people having their own beliefs. I have a few friends who are quite prominent in their church, and whilst their "spiritual" posts on Facebook are slightly irritating, their faith makes them happy. Obviously they're my friends and their happiness makes me happy too.

Cal x"

And conversely, when my atheist friend asks me if I had been to 'that place' last Sunday to say hello to my invisible pink flying unicorn, I say yes. I think that makes us both happy knowing that she doesn't take the fact I am a church-goer negatively and I don't take her little jibes seriously

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am not religious and a non beleiver.

Each to their own but being a religious non believer is the new norm."
Yes and that is right as too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I consider myself a Christian. I was brought up as a Christian. I made the decision to stay Christian as an adult I used to go to church regularly as was confirmed at 21. I don't go to church anymore for personal reasons but still have my faith and still pray privately. I have three grown up children only one of which classes themselves as Christian the others believe in nothing. I respect all of their decisions and have tried not to influence them either way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm a Christian. Catholic in fact, although I appreciate people may find that difficult to reconcile with my presence on here. Anyone who identifies as Christian on this site is quickly called deluded or worse, even from the same liberal-minded folk who preach tolerance on other threads."

anyone who has an opposite opinion from the masses on here gets called deluded or worse... Seems to be a very common thing in here. You need to follow the sheep. No black sheep allowed! - didn't you know? Lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Having been on this site for quite sometime now I can honestly say that in all the threads on this subject I have noticed that the ones who come out and openly say they are religious or even Christian seem to come across as much nicer, tolerant and more liberal minded people than those that seem to be militantly opposed to it.

And that tolerance and niceness seems to come across in other threads they post on to."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If having lots of no strings sex with people is ok.

Maybe I could be a devout Christian. I'll ask my local minister for advice and see what he thinks

He or she may ask to join you at a club."

Well it doesn't seem to be an issue, so you never know lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What are other peoples views on this? Do people here consider themselves to be Christians?"

No, I am spiritual,(no not a spiritualist) and respect all religions for what they have in common and what they have different is open to discussion not criticism.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am not religious and a non beleiver.

Each to their own but being a religious non believer is the new norm."

spiritualism and buddhism are fastest growing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"10% of the UK adult population go to church at least weekly. 2007 data.

Taken from a survey of only a few thousand. I'm not convinced that is necessarily a true reflection

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And that tolerance and niceness seems to come across in other threads they post on to."

Obviously that tolerance and niceness doesn't include your own post earlier in this thread when you made a sweeping generalisation and presented a very negative stereotype of atheists.

I think the nature of a forum, and life in general is that we spot behaviour in kindred spirits that we use to vindicate our own beliefs and conversely spot negative traits in those that we are diametrically opposed to for the same reason.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"10% of the UK adult population go to church at least weekly. 2007 data.

Taken from a survey of only a few thousand. I'm not convinced that is necessarily a true reflection"

No I suspect this is probably quite accurate. But it's not necessarily traditional "white" C of E branches of Christianity. The percentage could well increase as a result of Catholic immigration from Eastern European countries and Christianity is thriving among many communities of African origin.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

It may count temple and mosque as churches too. I've not read it in detail.

Just trying to be helpful.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

Brought up in a Catholic schools my entire school life, even got a D in religion. I have to say I am a very relaxed Catholic now, I got fed up of going to church seeing all these good Christians saying all the right things, then come Monday morning they would stab you in the back as quick as they could. But then this is only my veiw of things, someone else will have gone to the same church, they could have had an entirely different experience.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"10% of the UK adult population go to church at least weekly. 2007 data.

Taken from a survey of only a few thousand. I'm not convinced that is necessarily a true reflection

I don't disagree with that, and to a degree is kind of what I was alluding too. It would be easy to present a biased viewpoint from such a relatively small cross selection and the result could be massively distorted by geographical location

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

And that tolerance and niceness seems to come across in other threads they post on to."
. An excellent post. My thoughts exactly . I have found that some of the anti religious people are the most intolerant of all.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

This is a Christian Country, our laws and attitudes have been shaped by some 1000 years plus of Christianity. How much longer this will be the case I do not know.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"I think a lot of people identify as being brought up in the Christian tradition.

However most don't practice Christianity in the sense of organised religion. "

This

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over a year ago

"This is a Christian Country, our laws and attitudes have been shaped by some 1000 years plus of Christianity. How much longer this will be the case I do not know. "

Considering that most of the Tory party and many of the labour party are of a christian denomination, as are the House of Lords and of course our monarchy, I suspect that you don't need to worry too much that it will change any time soon.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"This is a Christian Country, our laws and attitudes have been shaped by some 1000 years plus of Christianity. How much longer this will be the case I do not know.

They really should get back to traditional paganism.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"This is a Christian Country, our laws and attitudes have been shaped by some 1000 years plus of Christianity. How much longer this will be the case I do not know. "

Yes, a lot of people will tick the 'Christian' box simply by default. I remember filling in my first ever passport application as a kid - I asked my father what to put for religion and he said 'C of E', simply because that's who baptised me I suspect - our family is a-religious.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm christened Greek orthodox...

That's a load of arse too.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

The statistic comes from the fact that probably about 60% have been baptised at a young age and as such is an official record. The figure on census data may be lower due to the Athiest/Agnostic/Jedi Knight option.

I was baptised a Catholic and do regard myself as a practicing Christian although I do not attend church very often. For me Christianity is about treating all with respect and understanding. Forgiveness, acceptance of others and charity.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"This is a Christian Country, our laws and attitudes have been shaped by some 1000 years plus of Christianity. How much longer this will be the case I do not know.

They really should get back to traditional paganism. "

I'm up for bonfires and human sacrifice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And that tolerance and niceness seems to come across in other threads they post on to."
.

Now there's a difference between tolerance and acceptance!

As an atheist you're expecting me to tolerate your religious views.

That's fine, but then a Muslim must also tolerate my wish to draw the prophet!

The thing that passers by most religious people is that , humans not God, gave you the right to practise you're religion, if you care to check the ten commandants , you'll see that your God gave you no such right!.

You shall have no other God except me!

It's clearly defined in both Christianity and Islam that you have no religious freedom, these freedoms are given to your by humankind and mostly atheists humankind.

The tragedy is that all religious people refuse to see the very intolerance their own religions perpetrate (ask any Muslim what the penalty for apostasy is) yet they are more than willing to throw the accusations of racism, intolerance and xenophobia while practising those exact habits.

At least atheists wear their honesty on their sleeves without having to fall back on their mystical make belive friends!

Christianity, Islam and Judaism have never been a peaceful religion because they were wrote 2000/1300 years ago when humans were, how shall we say, barbaric, hence why there a barbaric religion reflecting the times when they were wrote.

At least Christianity was born from a secular state where the Roman empire was separate from the Christian doctrine, the same cannot be said for Islam which has always be born of a religious/political persuasion due to it's beginnings.

If you wish to persist in this delusion that atheists are intolerant at least be honest enough to show your own religious intolerance.

There's people proclaiming to be Christian on here, but let's face facts, there not in anyway what could be described as Christian, religious maybe God fearing, yes, but not Christian... The bible is very clear, Sundays are not to be worked, no sex before marriage, no gays, no TV's, no eating fish on a Friday!! Blah blah blah.. Your not Christian just as most Muslims who chose to ignore the awful bits of the Qur'an are not "Islamic"..

Christianity is full of splinter groups who like one bit but not the other, it's also full of groups who have fought one another fit century's, no different than modern Islam with the shias and the Sunnis and the allawites.

The only difference is that Christianity fought is differences while we all had muskets, sticks and swords, whereas Islam is fighting is differences with Kalashnikov's, grenades and rockets!, it took Christianity 400 years to come out the other side..

Personally I feel we don't have 400 years for the Islamic faith to do the same!

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"I am a not very good, but practicing Catholic. I regularly attend Mass, know the Bible reasonably well, pray whenever I can

Ido not 'push' my beliefs on anyone and do not even discuss my beliefs or religion unless they ask me

I also visit swingers clubs

[ now getting ready to be told that I am a either delusional or a hypocrite or both ]

I consider myself a Christian because I believe I am saved by Christ. It doesn't matter what else I believe or do, that is all i have to believe to be a Christian."

No sex before marriage seems to be the corner-stone of Christianity to some here

For most Christians, the corner-stone is tolerance and respect for each other; and each other includes Atheists

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"I am a not very good, but practicing Catholic. I regularly attend Mass, know the Bible reasonably well, pray whenever I can

Ido not 'push' my beliefs on anyone and do not even discuss my beliefs or religion unless they ask me

I also visit swingers clubs

[ now getting ready to be told that I am a either delusional or a hypocrite or both ]

I consider myself a Christian because I believe I am saved by Christ. It doesn't matter what else I believe or do, that is all i have to believe to be a Christian.

No sex before marriage seems to be the corner-stone of Christianity to some here

For most Christians, the corner-stone is tolerance and respect for each other; and each other includes Atheists"
. An excellent post . It is a pity that those who criticise the church do not investigate what it actually does before making their comments .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

this may not be the best forum or website to find on accurate % of practicing religious types of any faith... just a thought.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hubby and me are both Atheists.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

And that tolerance and niceness seems to come across in other threads they post on to.

Obviously that tolerance and niceness doesn't include your own post earlier in this thread when you made a sweeping generalisation and presented a very negative stereotype of atheists.

Born out off experience of some of the atheists on this site. Also tolerance does not preclude criticism of others who disagree with you but simply that you treat others with respect. I have found this mutual respect generally lacking in most, although not all, comments made by atheists on this site.

If the atheists on this site don't want to be considered intolerant bigots then they should stop acting like intolerant bigots.

If course there are many atheists in the real world who are not intolerant and a few on here but generally my experience of atheists on this site has been mostly negative, often intolerant and always belittling.

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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

News Flash!

Militant Fundamental Atheists have been running into churches, mosques, salvation army soup kitchens et al shouting 'There is no god, there are no angels, Santa is a paedo and shooting believers then blowing themselves up.

If you see groups of heavily armed people wearing Richard Dawkins masks run for your lives.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"News Flash!

If you see groups of heavily armed people wearing Richard Dawkins masks run for your lives."

The thread was about UK Christians

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"News Flash!

If you see groups of heavily armed people wearing Richard Dawkins masks run for your lives."

Tolerance, open-mindedness and understanding. Aye.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

Another Christian here and also proud to hold Christian values .

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

The only thing tolerant people should refuse to tolerate is intolerance.

Intolerance should always be confronted and shown for what it is whether it comes from Christians, Muslims, Atheists, Communists or any other ism, ist or ns. We should not, can not and I will not let it hide it's philosophy of hate, mistrust and division behind any mask.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Another Christian here and also proud to hold Christian values ."

have christians got a copyright on morals?

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over a year ago

"Another Christian here and also proud to hold Christian values .

have christians got a copyright on morals?"

He said Christian values, not morals.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"Another Christian here and also proud to hold Christian values .

have christians got a copyright on morals?"

They change with the weather

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Another Christian here and also proud to hold Christian values .

have christians got a copyright on morals?"

No of course they haven't. Why does someone saying they're proud to be Christian have to be taken as some kind of condemnation on someone who isn't? (Particularly on a thread which is asking the specific question - are you a Christian.)

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

"Another Christian here and also proud to hold Christian values ."

Another one here....attend church regularly.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Another Christian here and also proud to hold Christian values .

Another one here....attend church regularly."

how does one square ones christian values with this aspect..?

or is it just a case of lie during confession, be a hypocrite during services and then blag it to get into heaven come the day..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Another Christian here and also proud to hold Christian values .

have christians got a copyright on morals?

He said Christian values, not morals."

OK I mistyped . Why do Christians think they hold the monopoly on values?

Values were created long before man came up with the utterly ludicrous fantasy of a god. We needed them to succeed in groups that allowed us to get along and prosper.

To say Britain for example is based on Christian values is laughable.

I lead a life where I don't hurt,steal,care for people etc etc and I don't have any intention of claiming any belief is needed to do that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Another Christian here and also proud to hold Christian values .

have christians got a copyright on morals?

He said Christian values, not morals.

OK I mistyped . Why do Christians think they hold the monopoly on values?

Values were created long before man came up with the utterly ludicrous fantasy of a god. We needed them to succeed in groups that allowed us to get along and prosper.

To say Britain for example is based on Christian values is laughable.

I lead a life where I don't hurt,steal,care for people etc etc and I don't have any intention of claiming any belief is needed to do that."

Which Christian on this thread has said they hold the monopoly on values?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Marriage was an agreement made in church to God. In this day and age we are not classed as being married, even if we went through the church service unless we register with the Civil service under the Local Registry Office. This merely turns it into another money making business.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Another Christian here and also proud to hold Christian values .

have christians got a copyright on morals?

He said Christian values, not morals.

OK I mistyped . Why do Christians think they hold the monopoly on values?

Values were created long before man came up with the utterly ludicrous fantasy of a god. We needed them to succeed in groups that allowed us to get along and prosper.

To say Britain for example is based on Christian values is laughable.

I lead a life where I don't hurt,steal,care for people etc etc and I don't have any intention of claiming any belief is needed to do that.

Which Christian on this thread has said they hold the monopoly on values? "

To my thinking christian values are all values Christians hold that no other does hold

For example many Christians (non have ever admitted here ) say that one of their values is that they should not have sexual relations with the same sex

There is a word called synonymous. Christian values for some strange reason have been and to many people's minds are synonymous with , no sex out of wed lock and gay sex being incompatible with loving a god though the path of a Christ?

When some mention that to be a xtian all that is required is to think their salvation is though a Christ character, the word salvation has much behind it for a start , as it directly suggests that not following certain teachings of a Christ character is somehow on a path which leads to the opposite of being saved

In fact if I wanted to be petty the very use of calling oneself a christian could be deemed offensive towards others as it directly implies they feel we are all guilty of stuff that a "salvation" is required

If you hope a god exists that's cool

Christianity has baggage to deny that would be dishonest ?

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Another Christian here and also proud to hold Christian values .

have christians got a copyright on morals?

He said Christian values, not morals.

OK I mistyped . Why do Christians think they hold the monopoly on values?

Values were created long before man came up with the utterly ludicrous fantasy of a god. We needed them to succeed in groups that allowed us to get along and prosper.

To say Britain for example is based on Christian values is laughable.

I lead a life where I don't hurt,steal,care for people etc etc and I don't have any intention of claiming any belief is needed to do that.

Which Christian on this thread has said they hold the monopoly on values? "

To my thinking christian values are all values Christians hold that no other does hold

For example many Christians (non have ever admitted here ) say that one of their values is that they should not have sexual relations with the same sex

If you hope a god exists that's cool

Christianity has baggage to deny that would be dishonest ?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Another Christian here and also proud to hold Christian values .

have christians got a copyright on morals?

He said Christian values, not morals.

OK I mistyped . Why do Christians think they hold the monopoly on values?

Values were created long before man came up with the utterly ludicrous fantasy of a god. We needed them to succeed in groups that allowed us to get along and prosper.

To say Britain for example is based on Christian values is laughable.

I lead a life where I don't hurt,steal,care for people etc etc and I don't have any intention of claiming any belief is needed to do that.

Which Christian on this thread has said they hold the monopoly on values?

To my thinking christian values are all values Christians hold that no other does hold

For example many Christians (non have ever admitted here ) say that one of their values is that they should not have sexual relations with the same sex

If you hope a god exists that's cool

Christianity has baggage to deny that would be dishonest ?

Si good you had to say it twice.

I'm sure we've been through this argument before, in quite some detail. I really don't know that I can be bothered to go through it all again.

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By *eorgeyporgeyMan
over a year ago

Warrington

Bit of a weird one. I was raised by an Anglican and an Atheist and went to a Roman Catholic set of schools (which were excellent, I'll always recommend religious schools over secular ones).

Going to RC school turned me into a "Spitting" Atheist, I'd seek out the religious to challenge them and their faith.

After a long story, I regained my faith and call myself a born again lapsed Catholic......I don't go to church (except midnight mass at christmas) but I keep my faith (too many evangelists and judgmental people at church, I found).

What makes faith difficult for me is the dichotomy between believing in God and positing a rational view of the world. I know evolution is how it works. I know that there is no proof of a soul or an afterlife, but still can't get away from a belief in them... I guess that's why faith is a mystery....I do tend to wind up atheists from time to time though!

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Another Christian here and also proud to hold Christian values .

have christians got a copyright on morals?

He said Christian values, not morals.

OK I mistyped . Why do Christians think they hold the monopoly on values?

Values were created long before man came up with the utterly ludicrous fantasy of a god. We needed them to succeed in groups that allowed us to get along and prosper.

To say Britain for example is based on Christian values is laughable.

I lead a life where I don't hurt,steal,care for people etc etc and I don't have any intention of claiming any belief is needed to do that.

Which Christian on this thread has said they hold the monopoly on values?

To my thinking christian values are all values Christians hold that no other does hold

For example many Christians (non have ever admitted here ) say that one of their values is that they should not have sexual relations with the same sex

If you hope a god exists that's cool

Christianity has baggage to deny that would be dishonest ?

Si good you had to say it twice.

I'm sure we've been through this argument before, in quite some detail. I really don't know that I can be bothered to go through it all again."

Actually to my knowledge you haven't been through this in any detail instead often you seem to change the subject usually finding some nonsense written by a less articulate aggressive non beliver as the view point of all and then claim victim status, rather than ever addressing a fair point with a fair validation

My above post clearly suggests, that to be a Christian one needs to think or do or believe certain things contrary or significantly differant to either a Muslim or a jw or a jew, a Deist,a hindu, Buddhist, a theist or an atheist

It is the differences which makeuth the definition

To think the Christ is the way to whatever, by implication certain facts exist , the Christ is defined by biblical new testament

We can all read this text and thus by reasonable reasoning we can all know what christians think they know their Christ thought granted the scope for interpretation is vast as the writing is so poor , but it is the only indication of what a christ is. Thus for unbiased clarification it is wise to ask the alleged xtian what they personaly infer from the text to know their mind too xx

Aparantly christians think the Christ was the son of a god , but which one

The Christ of the book tells us

The christ explicitly tells his followers

The way to god is through me

Christians on here tell us

All Christianity to us is we belive in a christ

But that is a huge statement as the Christ is a complex character with lots and lots of subtext

The character Christ was most specific which god was it's father

I'd suggest most christians on here are just theists , ie they belive in some sort of god but no idea what , belive a good character called Jesus existed but no more, that is not christian

Muslims Jews and even atheists believe a Jesus existed but this does not make them christian

It's the differences which make the definition

Next you will tell me corbin supporters are advocates of privatisation

Mail readers welcome more migrants ?

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

I think what confuses so many non believers is, how a person can believe quite so strongly that the Christ character of the bible is a valid hypothesis and at the same time dismiss all of the surrounding subtext

With so much dismissed (quite rightly) by good intelligent people how they then reason that the central two characters exist but are nothing like their book characters is exceptionally difficult for me to understand

And to date no christian has ever wanted to help me resolve this xx

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Another Christian here and also proud to hold Christian values .

have christians got a copyright on morals?

He said Christian values, not morals.

OK I mistyped . Why do Christians think they hold the monopoly on values?

Values were created long before man came up with the utterly ludicrous fantasy of a god. We needed them to succeed in groups that allowed us to get along and prosper.

To say Britain for example is based on Christian values is laughable.

I lead a life where I don't hurt,steal,care for people etc etc and I don't have any intention of claiming any belief is needed to do that.

You are absolutely correct, you do not need to believe in anything to be good person and there are many people who do believe in God who are definitely not good people. However, in my personal experience I have found that most people who have been brought up in a environment of faith and tolerance, even if some reject the faith part later in life, tend to make better people who contribute towards the society in which they live.

Which Christian on this thread has said they hold the monopoly on values?

To my thinking christian values are all values Christians hold that no other does hold

I can not think of a single value that all Christians hold, including all the ones you mention below, that is either held exclusively by Christians or not held also by other non Christian groups including some atheists.

For example many Christians (non have ever admitted here ) say that one of their values is that they should not have sexual relations with the same sex

I would not disagree that some Christians hold those beliefs but it's not a requirement for being a Christian to hold such beliefs. I'm also pretty sure that many Muslims also hold those beliefs to and, I'm pretty sure, that there are still many people who have no religious belief that still don't think that homosexual relationships are valid and proper relationships.

What people choose to believe is synonymous with Christian values and what Christian values actually are are clearly two very different things then. Surely what Christian values actually are is for Christians to decide amongst themselves and not for some non Christian to decree for and upon them.

It means exactly that. It's a fundamental of Christian belief that everyone is a sinner and everyone, no matter how big or small they perceive their sin to be, can be saved if they want to be.

I fail to see how you can be offended by the fact I believe that myself, you or anybody else can be saved by believing in something you happen not to believe in. Surely it's only a problem if I try and force you to believe the same as me.

If you hope a god exists that's cool

Christianity has baggage to deny that would be dishonest ?

All belief systems, and non belief systems, have baggage and history. Atheism has it's own to:- Stalin, Hitler, Pol-Pot to start the list. I'm sure you can think of others for yourself.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

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All ...non belief systems, have baggage and history. Atheism has it's own to:- Stalin, Hitler, Pol-Pot to start the list. I'm sure you can think of others for yourself."

Not believing in something doesn't largely carry baggage. I don't have a belief in 50 feet tall women, and many other things. I just have an absence of a belief in them.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Another Christian here and also proud to hold Christian values .

have christians got a copyright on morals?

He said Christian values, not morals.

OK I mistyped . Why do Christians think they hold the monopoly on values?

Values were created long before man came up with the utterly ludicrous fantasy of a god. We needed them to succeed in groups that allowed us to get along and prosper.

To say Britain for example is based on Christian values is laughable.

I lead a life where I don't hurt,steal,care for people etc etc and I don't have any intention of claiming any belief is needed to do that.

Which Christian on this thread has said they hold the monopoly on values?

To my thinking christian values are all values Christians hold that no other does hold

For example many Christians (non have ever admitted here ) say that one of their values is that they should not have sexual relations with the same sex

If you hope a god exists that's cool

Christianity has baggage to deny that would be dishonest ?

Si good you had to say it twice.

I'm sure we've been through this argument before, in quite some detail. I really don't know that I can be bothered to go through it all again.

It is the differences which makeuth the definition

To think the Christ is the way to whatever, by implication certain facts exist , the Christ is defined by biblical new testament

Aparantly christians think the Christ was the son of a god , but which one

The Christ of the book tells us

The christ explicitly tells his followers

The way to god is through me

Christians on here tell us

All Christianity to us is we belive in a christ

But that is a huge statement as the Christ is a complex character with lots and lots of subtext

The character Christ was most specific which god was it's father

I'd suggest most christians on here are just theists , ie they belive in some sort of god but no idea what , belive a good character called Jesus existed but no more, that is not christian

Muslims Jews and even atheists believe a Jesus existed but this does not make them christian

It's the differences which make the definition

Next you will tell me corbin supporters are advocates of privatisation

Mail readers welcome more migrants ?

Your recollection of are past debates is, like much of what you say, not correct. I have never claimed victim status from your posts and comments and never would. What I have said is that your attitude towards religion is an intolerant attitude. To me that makes you your own victim.

With regard to what you're saying on this post you are clearly ignorant of what is required to be a Christian.

To be a Christian you have to believe in God and believe you are saved through Christ. You do not have to believe in anything else. You do not even have to believe that Jesus was the son of God or in a trinity (Farther, Son & spirit). You do not have to accept all or even any of the New or Old Testaments either.

Many Christians would argue that not accepting some of these things would make such a Christian a heretic but that's the point. To be a heretic you have to be a Christian and to be a Christian you only have to believe what I said above.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Another Christian here and also proud to hold Christian values .

have christians got a copyright on morals?

He said Christian values, not morals.

OK I mistyped . Why do Christians think they hold the monopoly on values?

Values were created long before man came up with the utterly ludicrous fantasy of a god. We needed them to succeed in groups that allowed us to get along and prosper.

To say Britain for example is based on Christian values is laughable.

I lead a life where I don't hurt,steal,care for people etc etc and I don't have any intention of claiming any belief is needed to do that.

Which Christian on this thread has said they hold the monopoly on values?

To my thinking christian values are all values Christians hold that no other does hold

For example many Christians (non have ever admitted here ) say that one of their values is that they should not have sexual relations with the same sex

If you hope a god exists that's cool

Christianity has baggage to deny that would be dishonest ?

Si good you had to say it twice.

I'm sure we've been through this argument before, in quite some detail. I really don't know that I can be bothered to go through it all again.

It is the differences which makeuth the definition

To think the Christ is the way to whatever, by implication certain facts exist , the Christ is defined by biblical new testament

Aparantly christians think the Christ was the son of a god , but which one

The Christ of the book tells us

The christ explicitly tells his followers

The way to god is through me

Christians on here tell us

All Christianity to us is we belive in a christ

But that is a huge statement as the Christ is a complex character with lots and lots of subtext

The character Christ was most specific which god was it's father

I'd suggest most christians on here are just theists , ie they belive in some sort of god but no idea what , belive a good character called Jesus existed but no more, that is not christian

Muslims Jews and even atheists believe a Jesus existed but this does not make them christian

It's the differences which make the definition

Next you will tell me corbin supporters are advocates of privatisation

Mail readers welcome more migrants ?

With regard to what you're saying on this post you are clearly ignorant of what is required to be a Christian.

Excellent now we are getting somewhere

Saved, salvation , saved from what ? Earlier you mentioned sin? I have no idea what sin is . You suggest we all sin ? But don't declare what a sin is x

Other than the sin of not believing in a christ why else you you think me a sinner ? Where can I find what a sin is ? So do all christians think all humans are sinners ? Is that also part of the agreed definition?

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over a year ago

Regarding sins - there are various classes.

Mortal / deadly etc.

The answer to your question - what is a sin, lies there.

As for why sins are considered bad - well what would happen if everyone did that? Would it be good for society or bad.

The religious sin, just a religions attempt at a code of good/bad ethics.

arr all people sinners, well Jc said let he without sin throw first, blah blah .

So yeah in that view we are. But then it's a question of judgement. An overall rating. Like hotels .

Good/bad.

Live a life of sin, but Save a baby's life on your last day. What's the overall score? Past St. Peter into da club. Or downstairs for some basement treatment?

Or maybe that half way house - purgatory .

Questions are good !

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

I am neither proud nor ashamed to be a Christian. Neither do I think I am 'holier' than Atheists. Once my Atheist friend realised that, we became friends again

My Church is filled to the brim with holy parishioners. However, all is not lost because my parish has me; the one and only sinner. The Church need sinners otherwise what is the point of its' existence

For me to believe in nothingness and purely random events is quite easy. I also have no problem with evolution, etc; it makes logical sense. For me to believe in another belief system other than Atheism is more difficult. And trying to reconcile my life with Catholicism becomes very difficult, but I do try

A few sharp words by some posters here or anywhere else are not going to shake my belief; afterall, my belief is not worth me having if I can be swayed or become disillusioned so easily

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Another Christian here and also proud to hold Christian values .

have christians got a copyright on morals?

He said Christian values, not morals.

OK I mistyped . Why do Christians think they hold the monopoly on values?

Values were created long before man came up with the utterly ludicrous fantasy of a god. We needed them to succeed in groups that allowed us to get along and prosper.

To say Britain for example is based on Christian values is laughable.

I lead a life where I don't hurt,steal,care for people etc etc and I don't have any intention of claiming any belief is needed to do that.

Which Christian on this thread has said they hold the monopoly on values?

To my thinking christian values are all values Christians hold that no other does hold

For example many Christians (non have ever admitted here ) say that one of their values is that they should not have sexual relations with the same sex

If you hope a god exists that's cool

Christianity has baggage to deny that would be dishonest ?

Si good you had to say it twice.

I'm sure we've been through this argument before, in quite some detail. I really don't know that I can be bothered to go through it all again.

It is the differences which makeuth the definition

To think the Christ is the way to whatever, by implication certain facts exist , the Christ is defined by biblical new testament

Aparantly christians think the Christ was the son of a god , but which one

The Christ of the book tells us

The christ explicitly tells his followers

The way to god is through me

Christians on here tell us

All Christianity to us is we belive in a christ

But that is a huge statement as the Christ is a complex character with lots and lots of subtext

The character Christ was most specific which god was it's father

I'd suggest most christians on here are just theists , ie they belive in some sort of god but no idea what , belive a good character called Jesus existed but no more, that is not christian

Muslims Jews and even atheists believe a Jesus existed but this does not make them christian

It's the differences which make the definition

Next you will tell me corbin supporters are advocates of privatisation

Mail readers welcome more migrants ?

With regard to what you're saying on this post you are clearly ignorant of what is required to be a Christian.

Excellent now we are getting somewhere

Saved, salvation , saved from what ? Earlier you mentioned sin? I have no idea what sin is . You suggest we all sin ? But don't declare what a sin is x

Not believing in Christ is not a sin unless you claim to be a Christian in which case you're lying which would be a sin.

Most Christian faiths teach the concept of Original Sin. Under the doctrine of Original Sin all people are sinners. I'm not going to go into the full doctrine of Original Sin, if you're really interested in finding out about it you can Google it yourself. In essence the problem you have is in your believe that by calling everyone a sinner Christians are somehow setting themselves above others or saying that others are somehow less good or worthy in some way. That is not the case. Christians believe that we are all sinners, that we all sin and that sun exists in everyone. Being a sinner does not make you any less of a person it simply makes you human. So what is sin? Sin, at its most basic level, is to do something that you know to be wrong. I doubt very much there ever has been, is or will be a person who has reached consensus that has not done something they know to be wrong.

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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

Whenever there is a religious thread we get this endless interminable gibberish, utterly incomprehensible to those who have absolutely no understanding of these cut and paste tracts and no desire to. Who are you trying to convince? Yourselves probably.

What do your respective omnipresent all seeing gods think of your swinging antics?

Or when you jerk-off to pics of someone else's wife or partner?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As soon as I seen UK Christians, I knew this would descend into utter SH#TE.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"Whenever there is a religious thread we get this endless interminable gibberish, utterly incomprehensible to those who have absolutely no understanding of these cut and paste tracts and no desire to. Who are you trying to convince? Yourselves probably.

What do your respective omnipresent all seeing gods think of your swinging antics?

Or when you jerk-off to pics of someone else's wife or partner?"
. I think God is much more interested in the good that people do.. Why would he have any interest in swinging activities ?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"...

All ...non belief systems, have baggage and history. Atheism has it's own to:- Stalin, Hitler, Pol-Pot to start the list. I'm sure you can think of others for yourself.

Not believing in something doesn't largely carry baggage. I don't have a belief in 50 feet tall women, and many other things. I just have an absence of a belief in them."

The point is is that whatever you believe or don't believe, by itself, it does preclude from doing good or evil in your life. Also I would argue that a true atheist is not someone who does not believe that God, a god or gods exists but more some who believes that no God, god or gods exists and, as such, despite their argument that they have no believe, their positive non belief is just as much a belief as any other.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

I'm nit trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm simply answering and replying to points made on this thread. If people don't want to hear the answer they need not ask the question. If they are going to make assertions then they should expect, where those assertions are incorrect that others will post back pointing out where they have made incorrect assertions. I would post back just as vigorously on a thread that was spreading intolerance and miss truths on any other subject and often do.

What do your respective omnipresent all seeing gods think of your swinging antics?

That's between me and him but I would guess he would think it's me being human.

Or when you jerk-off to pics of someone else's wife or partner?"

I don't generally jerk-off to pics of anyone whether they are someone else's wife or not but if you have some particularly good ones you want to send I may consider it.

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By *ink magnolia s yorksWoman
over a year ago

south yorkshire

I'm atheist and on any forms that ask about religion etc I always tick atheist. If that isn't an option I write it in... Tends to wind people up lol. I falsely identity myself, not only that I find it disrespectful to people who do practice religion. It's like calling myself a gym bunny without putting in any time at the gym. Most of my family are atheist but if asked they will say C of E. It's just daft.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

seems lot of people go to church. What type of church do you go to?

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

I think the OP started this thread because somewhere in the back of his mind he must have found the idea of Christians who also have sex outside of marriage, difficult to understand

Ofcourse, it is a sin. However, committing this sin does not turn me into an Athetist; it turns me into a Christian who is also a sinner. And that is something which I need to have a 'conversation' with God about; not with a priest or another swinger!

An Atheist believes in nothingness and random uncontrolled events. It is a simple belief system and one which permits Atheists to live their lives however they feel they should

Christians, amongst other things, believe in a Creator and that their life has a purpose. For me, I will remain accountable to the Creator even after I die. An Atheist is only accountable to other humans and does not need to worry about such matters for they have nothingness after their death

Chrstianity does not hinge on whether one has sex outside of marriage or not or whether one works on a Sunday or not. It is much more than these simple rules and regulations

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What kind of church do you go to Josie?

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"What kind of church do you go to Josie?"

AbFabs, OurPlace4Fun, MSD Parties, Kestrel and on Sundays and sometimes midweek, to a Catholic Church

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over a year ago

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"...

What do your respective omnipresent all seeing gods think of your swinging antics?

Or when you jerk-off to pics of someone else's wife or partner?"

I have yet to 'jerk-off' to a photograph of any man (or woman). But I guess God must be hoping that my USB vibrator is powered by a clean energy source. I don't think he cares much about the various speeds and programmes which I cycle through before achieving my heaven on Earth

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

these so called christians on here talking about sin......

very good at cherry picking what ever suits their lifestyle

http://list25.com/25-normal-things-the-bible-forbids-but-we-still-do/

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think the OP started this thread because somewhere in the back of his mind he must have found the idea of Christians who also have sex outside of marriage, difficult to understand

An Atheist believes in nothingness and random uncontrolled events. It is a simple belief system and one which permits Atheists to live their lives however they feel they should

Chrstianity does not hinge on whether one has sex outside of marriage or not or whether one works on a Sunday or not. It is much more than these simple rules and regulations"

Excellent explanation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"these so called christians on here talking about sin......

very good at cherry picking what ever suits their lifestyle

http://list25.com/25-normal-things-the-bible-forbids-but-we-still-do/"

Why "so-called" Christians? Why can't you get your head around Christians being able to determine for themselves what they feel are the most important aspects of their faith? Would you prefer everyone took everything completely literally all the time? And yes I can talk about sin. I'm a sinner, you're a sinner, we're all sinners. Being Christian just means I believe certain things you don't. Neither of us is better than the other.

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over a year ago

"these so called christians on here talking about sin......

very good at cherry picking what ever suits their lifestyle

http://list25.com/25-normal-things-the-bible-forbids-but-we-still-do/"

I have no idea if you're married so this might not apply to you personally but the marriage vows in the registry office talk about being faithful.

Now to the majority, that would mean not having sex with anyone but your partner.

So aren't married swingers cherry picking parts of their marriage vows to suit this lifestyle, whether Christian or not?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know my father and my nan and grandfather were Caholic but nothing was ever forced on me. My mother even had me Christened as a baby but never been overtly religious.

Religion is a penis, it's ok to be proud of it, it's ok to have it but do not pull it out in public, do not force it on people, do not write laws with it and do not start wars with it.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

What are other peoples views on this? Do people here consider themselves to be Christians?"

I just thought I'd bump the OP's original post.

The OP specifically asked for the thoughts and views of people who consider themselves Christians. I really don't understand why so many who claim to not be Christian or religious are getting quite so het up about the fact that those people who consider themselves Christian have responded on the thread. If you don't want to know what they are saying don't look at this thread. No one is forcing you to but if you do decide to look you shouldn't be surprised. If you ask a question on the thread why be surprised that someone answers it and if you make an assertion or claim that is factually incorrect you should expect others who know the facts to correct you. It's called open discussion and debate.

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By *ipswingCouple
over a year ago

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"these so called christians on here talking about sin......

very good at cherry picking what ever suits their lifestyle

http://list25.com/25-normal-things-the-bible-forbids-but-we-still-do/"

It's called freedom of choice and freedom of belief. You're free to choose what you want to believe and I'm free to choose what I want to believe. If you want to know what I believe I'm happy to answer your questions. If you don't want to know what I believe stop asking questions and I'll stop answering. Either way I'm happy for you to choose.

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By *ipswingCouple
over a year ago

portrush

"Religion is the root of all evil. End of.

That is all"
..ummm is it not the love of money..

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By *ipswingCouple
over a year ago

portrush

"I tend to lean towards Buddhism as it's a non prophet phillosophy

erm, Gautama was a prophet

mmm more of a Teacher ... ..

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"these so called christians on here talking about sin......

very good at cherry picking what ever suits their lifestyle

http://list25.com/25-normal-things-the-bible-forbids-but-we-still-do/"

Just to point out this is a straw dog Christians are not supposed to live under Judaic law anyway. I rather like reading this quote with a facetious tone in reply to such erroneous arguments:

'Everything is permissible, not everything is beneficial'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is the problem with labels. As soon as you accept a label people assume you are "true" to the label.

We are Christians but tend to bend the rules. Likewise we know many Muslims and even Jews that drink alcohol and even eat pork when they fancy it too.

Moral of the story, labels should be treated with a pinch of salt as we all tend to bend the rules to suit our needs or desires ...

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

I do enjoy the irony of those who do not believe telling those who do that they are doing it all wrong.

How do they know?

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

I am agnostic and respect other people's beliefs, as long as they are not knocking on my door trying to convert me to their religion. I think this is an imposition, but I would not be rude to them.

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