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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

With the news of the death of 'Jihadi John' and the murders - again - in France, will we see a backlash against Muslims in Britain? And will people turn against the refugees flooding into Europe? I can't help but feel we will

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I do hope not, the majority just want to live a happy, safe and peaceful life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well i hope that we dont because that wont solve anything people get scared and tend to tar everyone with the same brush which is a very sad fact

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

Did we turn against the Irish or Catholics for the IRA?

If not, then there's no reason why we would now on Muslims.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

"Did we turn against the Irish or Catholics for the IRA?

If not, then there's no reason why we would now on Muslims. "

Yes I think you'll find there was a fair amount of prejudice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The recent events in sharm and Paris and many more before them are absolutely horrific. My thoughts are with those involved and their friends and relatives. Islam is a peace loving religion generally and many Muslims will be disgusted that these acts may have been carried out in their name but what I would like to see is a public expression from Muslim community leaders that acts of terrorism are not condoned and that being part of a multi cultural world is beneficial to all. I worry that silence could be misinterpreted as support. I hope I'm completely wrong and mosques all over the world are full of the anger and regret that we are all feeling this morning, I'd just like to hear it.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"Did we turn against the Irish or Catholics for the IRA?

If not, then there's no reason why we would now on Muslims.

Yes I think you'll find there was a fair amount of prejudice. "

Was it justified? The IRA still exists so why does it not exist now?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Did we turn against the Irish or Catholics for the IRA?

If not, then there's no reason why we would now on Muslims. "

Yes, you did, "no blacks, no dogs, no irish".

I hope the moderate muslim voice comes out strong to condemn this.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Did we turn against the Irish or Catholics for the IRA?

If not, then there's no reason why we would now on Muslims. "

There is a very real difference in that the IRA bombings didn't (in the main) leave dozens, even hundreds, dead. If they had, I suspect attitudes would have been harder.

And what caused Bloody Sunday? Arguably British forces seeing all Catholics as potential terrorists

My feeling is that the West will soon reach saturation point on these types of attacks and murders and some (by no means all) will retaliate indiscriminately against Muslims. I may be wrong but can see it happening

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The recent events in sharm and Paris and many more before them are absolutely horrific. My thoughts are with those involved and their friends and relatives. Islam is a peace loving religion generally and many Muslims will be disgusted that these acts may have been carried out in their name but what I would like to see is a public expression from Muslim community leaders that acts of terrorism are not condoned and that being part of a multi cultural world is beneficial to all. I worry that silence could be misinterpreted as support. I hope I'm completely wrong and mosques all over the world are full of the anger and regret that we are all feeling this morning, I'd just like to hear it.

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Surely all Muslims, especially Imams, must come out publicly and condemn these actions and support the West in their bid to tackle terrorism

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

all british forces seeing all irish catholic as terrorists what a crock they where sent there to do do there job like my cousin who was shot and killed on his first night of patroling he was just 20 years old and left a wife and unborn child gawd some people really dnt have a damn clue

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley

"Did we turn against the Irish or Catholics for the IRA?

If not, then there's no reason why we would now on Muslims.

There is a very real difference in that the IRA bombings didn't (in the main) leave dozens, even hundreds, dead. If they had, I suspect attitudes would have been harder.

And what caused Bloody Sunday? Arguably British forces seeing all Catholics as potential terrorists

After the Birmingham pub bombing, the Irish had a real hard time in and around brum. Terrorist rarely think of anything but their own goals.

Unfortunately every terrorist you kill 2 more stand in their place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah my mother was scared to talk in public in case people heard her accent.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"all british forces seeing all irish catholic as terrorists what a crock they where sent there to do do there job like my cousin who was shot and killed on his first night of patroling he was just 20 years old and left a wife and unborn child gawd some people really dnt have a damn clue"

Yes, they do!

Sunday Bloody Sunday. 30 Jan 1972, Londonderry. British forces shot down dozens of unarmed Catholics, killing a dozen.

Yeah, some people do talk shit

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

I hope people don't judge an entire race or religion on the actions of a very few arseholes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is a useful tool called the One Million Tweet map. It allows you to see perfectly legally geo located tweets.

Find an area with a high population of Muslims in the UK and look at the tweets coming out of that area. You can look at the profiles for extra clarity as to who is tweeting.

What a sad state of affairs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

u need to get a grip our british forces do a damn good job and you should be thankful that you and yours get to sleep in your at night and as for bluddy sunday yes alot of innocent people where killed i dnt condone that in anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

bed rant over

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Did we turn against the Irish or Catholics for the IRA?

If not, then there's no reason why we would now on Muslims.

There is a very real difference in that the IRA bombings didn't (in the main) leave dozens, even hundreds, dead. If they had, I suspect attitudes would have been harder.

And what caused Bloody Sunday? Arguably British forces seeing all Catholics as potential terrorists

There are 1.57 Billion Muslims in the world, thats 23% of the worlds population. You think the West is just going to declare war on them?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"u need to get a grip our british forces do a damn good job and you should be thankful that you and yours get to sleep in your at night and as for bluddy sunday yes alot of innocent people where killed i dnt condone that in anyway "

I don't need to get a grip.

I simply highlighted a terrible event to show how people can act first - in a heighted fear-filled state - and show how that type of situation can easily escalate.

My fear is that the situation in Europe could start to escalate very soon. A backlash is quite possible...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Did we turn against the Irish or Catholics for the IRA?

If not, then there's no reason why we would now on Muslims.

There is a very real difference in that the IRA bombings didn't (in the main) leave dozens, even hundreds, dead. If they had, I suspect attitudes would have been harder.

And what caused Bloody Sunday? Arguably British forces seeing all Catholics as potential terrorists

There are 1.57 Billion Muslims in the world, thats 23% of the worlds population. You think the West is just going to declare war on them? "

No. I can see attacks by Westerners on Muslims. Can't you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Did we turn against the Irish or Catholics for the IRA?

If not, then there's no reason why we would now on Muslims.

There is a very real difference in that the IRA bombings didn't (in the main) leave dozens, even hundreds, dead. If they had, I suspect attitudes would have been harder.

And what caused Bloody Sunday? Arguably British forces seeing all Catholics as potential terrorists

There are 1.57 Billion Muslims in the world, thats 23% of the worlds population. You think the West is just going to declare war on them? "

And its about 00000.9 per cent of them that want trouble....so do ithink there will be a back lash...no the same as there wasnt with catholics

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Did we turn against the Irish or Catholics for the IRA?

If not, then there's no reason why we would now on Muslims. "

Eh ya I think you'll find ye did!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Did we turn against the Irish or Catholics for the IRA?

If not, then there's no reason why we would now on Muslims.

There is a very real difference in that the IRA bombings didn't (in the main) leave dozens, even hundreds, dead. If they had, I suspect attitudes would have been harder.

And what caused Bloody Sunday? Arguably British forces seeing all Catholics as potential terrorists

There are 1.57 Billion Muslims in the world, thats 23% of the worlds population. You think the West is just going to declare war on them?

No. I can see attacks by Westerners on Muslims. Can't you?"

No..i can see attacks on the people or organisations that perpetrated these crimes

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I can see situations where right wing, neo nazis in Europe attack innocent Muslims as 'retribution'. Though hopefully not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You are making massive assumptions with every part of this statement.

Linking two events that are not necessarily connected.

Last nights events must have been pre-planned and are not necessarily Anything to do with 'Jihadi John'.

Why would that equal a backlash against Muslims specifically?

And what the heck does that have to do with refugees.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

You are making massive assumptions with every part of this statement.

Linking two events that are not necessarily connected.

Last nights events must have been pre-planned and are not necessarily Anything to do with 'Jihadi John'.

Why would that equal a backlash against Muslims specifically?

And what the heck does that have to do with refugees."

I am simply playing Devil's Advocate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You are making massive assumptions with every part of this statement.

Linking two events that are not necessarily connected.

Last nights events must have been pre-planned and are not necessarily Anything to do with 'Jihadi John'.

Why would that equal a backlash against Muslims specifically?

And what the heck does that have to do with refugees."

Well the jihadi John cunt was just a coincidence, Muslims will be blamed because some people associate Muslims with Isis and automatically think they are all terrorists, also with all the social media hype about Isis sneaking in an army with all the refugees an attack like this will make people even more anxious about them arriving

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think that threads like this show that their is a backlash against Muslims in the UK.

Thankfully the majority of warmongering is done from behind a keyboard in the warmth of a living room.

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By *ultry SuccubusTV/TS
over a year ago

London

You are making massive assumptions with every part of this statement.

Linking two events that are not necessarily connected.

Last nights events must have been pre-planned and are not necessarily Anything to do with 'Jihadi John'.

Why would that equal a backlash against Muslims specifically?

And what the heck does that have to do with refugees."

Well said. Thank you

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By *asycouple1971Couple
over a year ago

midlands

Please do not confuse the horrible events in Paris with muslims. What happened in Paris was caused by screwed up terrorists.

Terrorists have no religion and only believe what they think is right.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think that threads like this show that their is a backlash against Muslims in the UK.

How do you mean"threads like this"?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Please do not confuse the horrible events in Paris with muslims. What happened in Paris was caused by screwed up terrorists.

Terrorists have no religion and only believe what they think is right.

I think the attackers, would strongly believe that they do have a religion.

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By *rlicker123Man
over a year ago

gillingham kent

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I am simply trying to highlight how some might react.

I don't feel that way.

I have just heard on the news that Muslims themselves in France are tweeting that they are fearful of a backlash.

So, with my post, I was just highlighting what Muslims themselves are fearful of

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Did we turn against the Irish or Catholics for the IRA?

If not, then there's no reason why we would now on Muslims. "
a sad fact that Irish are still targets in some parts of the UK. I was commissioning a machine in London last year only to have IRA written in black permanent marker on my tool case and several comments made.

Prejudice is a part of human nature, a warped method of self preservation aiming to shun those who we feel are a threat. Unfortunately the greater muslin community might pay the price for this unless they are seen to do far more in the way of discouraging younger Muslims from entering hate filled groups. Thus far they simply haven't done enough

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

Checked the million tweet map. It's kinda interesting but most people were just expressing shock.

As for will there be a backlash of course there will. When people get scared or angry they act in a way that makes sense to them even if its not logical.

This attack has zero to do with jahidi John. It takes ages to plan shit like this.

ISIS are under pressure on all fronts. Sadly they will strike back were they can.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Check the tweets people.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"I hope people don't judge an entire race or religion on the actions of a very few arseholes."

80 million Germans; a few thousand Nazis with a leader who wasn't even German

We were judged and still are sometimes because we did not do enough to stop the Nazis

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am simply trying to highlight how some might react.

I don't feel that way.

I have just heard on the news that Muslims themselves in France are tweeting that they are fearful of a backlash.

So, with my post, I was just highlighting what Muslims themselves are fearful of"

I would imagine there is a lot people in France and else where who are also fearful of being shot and/or bombed.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

"Did we turn against the Irish or Catholics for the IRA?

If not, then there's no reason why we would now on Muslims. a sad fact that Irish are still targets in some parts of the UK. I was commissioning a machine in London last year only to have IRA written in black permanent marker on my tool case and several comments made.

There are millions of Muslims in the UK.

How many of those youths have drifted to extremism?

Most get on in life fine without attacking anyone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There will be backlashes and if the U.K is attacked on a mass scaled, people can only be tolerate for so long.

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By *aneandpaulCouple
over a year ago

cleveleys

It,s going to happen here

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I do hope not, the majority just want to live a happy, safe and peaceful life.

this..

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

"Check the tweets people. "

I did. Nothing to see other than people expressing empathy.

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By *izzabelle and well hungCouple
over a year ago

Edinburgh.

Total carpet ban on all religion.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

"It,s going to happen here "

Naturally, you can't stop them all.

I'm thankful for all those attacks our security services have stopped thus far. But lone wolf's and odd groups will always get through.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It,s going to happen here "

You should probably give any information you know to the police.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

"Total carpet ban on all religion. "

Yeh not exactly an unextremist response.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You are making massive assumptions with every part of this statement.

Linking two events that are not necessarily connected.

Last nights events must have been pre-planned and are not necessarily Anything to do with 'Jihadi John'.

Why would that equal a backlash against Muslims specifically?

And what the heck does that have to do with refugees.

I am simply playing Devil's Advocate "

Is today the best time for this?

Maybe pause, reflect?

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By *iscomanMan
over a year ago

Solihull

Jihadists and Isis

You are scum

How dare you inflict so much fear and carnage ,death to innocent people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Check the tweets people.

I did. Nothing to see other than people expressing empathy. "

Which area did you check?

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"Total carpet ban on all religion. "

I think part of why IS seems so alien to us is, not solely their barbarity, but because the modern West doesn't understand that level of religious extremity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Jihadists and Isis

You are scum

How dare you inflict so much fear and carnage ,death to innocent people"

Do you know something the rest of us dont know...its not been confirmed who committed these terrible acts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Jihadists and Isis

You are scum

How dare you inflict so much fear and carnage ,death to innocent people

Do you know something the rest of us dont know...its not been confirmed who committed these terrible acts

I'm going to put my neck on the line Mel and say Islamic extremists.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Did we turn against the Irish or Catholics for the IRA?

If not, then there's no reason why we would now on Muslims.

Eh ya I think you'll find ye did!!"
You had one bombing in Dublin. We had fear for decades. As youngster we didn't understand the politics as my kids don't understand why there is so much hate in the world now. I don't condone hatred but it is understandable when people live in fear. Mr W

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Check the tweets people.

I did. Nothing to see other than people expressing empathy.

Which area did you check? "

I also didnt find anything sinister. Checked Birmingham and Bradford, saw pray for paris etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am simply trying to highlight how some might react.

I don't feel that way.

I have just heard on the news that Muslims themselves in France are tweeting that they are fearful of a backlash.

So, with my post, I was just highlighting what Muslims themselves are fearful of"

People are more aware of this now. I remember one of the last times, some people going out of their way to reassure Muslim people that we don't all tar everyone with the same brush.

Can't remember the exact example sorry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Jihadists and Isis

You are scum

How dare you inflict so much fear and carnage ,death to innocent people

Do you know something the rest of us dont know...its not been confirmed who committed these terrible acts

I'm going to put my neck on the line Mel and say Islamic extremists. "

Id probably agree with you...but some people are quck to condemn...a bit like the Birmingham 6...found out they were innocent after 18 years i think

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Jihadists and Isis

You are scum

How dare you inflict so much fear and carnage ,death to innocent people

Do you know something the rest of us dont know...its not been confirmed who committed these terrible acts

His opinion on ISIS is valid no matter who is to blame. However the fact that suicide bombers were involved pretty much rubber stamps the action was carried out by a jihadist group.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Check the tweets people.

I did. Nothing to see other than people expressing empathy.

Which area did you check?

I also didnt find anything sinister. Checked Birmingham and Bradford, saw pray for paris etc."

Ah but did I say check for negativity?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Surely all Muslims, especially Imams, must come out publicly and condemn these actions and support the West in their bid to tackle terrorism"

they have done after Charlie Hebdo..

they did so after Lee Rigby..

they did so after Alan Hemmings..

but yet again the above is stated like its never happened before..

almost like its ignored for some reason..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh I thought you meant the tweets you saw were a sad state of affairs, not the whole situation.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

There are 1.57 Billion Muslims in the world, thats 23% of the worlds population. You think the West is just going to declare war on them?

No. I can see attacks by Westerners on Muslims. Can't you?"

After the Charlie Hebo attacks earlier this year you saw ordinary french people volunteering to escort Muslims home if they didn't feel safe travelling alone.

I believe that these selfless acts to protect others, are the acts that will be rewarded in the afterlife, not shooting innocent people who may or may not be of the same religion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh I thought you meant the tweets you saw were a sad state of affairs, not the whole situation."

I deliberately didn't commit an opinion as I hoped people would be genuinely surprised by the support.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Please do not confuse the horrible events in Paris with muslims. What happened in Paris was caused by screwed up terrorists.

Terrorists have no religion and only believe what they think is right.

exactly

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"I am simply trying to highlight how some might react.

I don't feel that way.

I have just heard on the news that Muslims themselves in France are tweeting that they are fearful of a backlash.

So, with my post, I was just highlighting what Muslims themselves are fearful of

People are more aware of this now. I remember one of the last times, some people going out of their way to reassure Muslim people that we don't all tar everyone with the same brush.

Can't remember the exact example sorry. "

Walk with me; Australian woman

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Check the tweets people.

I did. Nothing to see other than people expressing empathy.

Which area did you check? "

What area should we be checking

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"With the news of the death of 'Jihadi John' and the murders - again - in France, will we see a backlash against Muslims in Britain? And will people turn against the refugees flooding into Europe? I can't help but feel we will "
of course their will be but just as Muslims find our lifestyle distasteful to them I do to theirs how she we not have an opinion on it ,I don't want to kill anyone having said that I just disagree with religion as a basis for life ,in my opinion it's brain washing and any race that treats others as subservients (women) should face rebuke

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh I thought you meant the tweets you saw were a sad state of affairs, not the whole situation.

I deliberately didn't commit an opinion as I hoped people would be genuinely surprised by the support. "

That app is phenomenal!

Just checked it...dumbfounded...

Very, very telling.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

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By *aro7Man
over a year ago

wickford

I'm sick of hearing about it, I'm sick of seeing it, I'm sick of looking at it,,,,,,why should religion cause all of this but most importantly why so human beings want to kill each other,,,,,,,,,I'm disgusted by it all,,,,,,,,,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh I thought you meant the tweets you saw were a sad state of affairs, not the whole situation.

I deliberately didn't commit an opinion as I hoped people would be genuinely surprised by the support.

That app is phenomenal!

Just checked it...dumbfounded...

Very, very telling."

It's easy to concentrate on the bad during times like this and even justifiable in a way. But took a bit of comfort when I had a look this morning.

In sunnier times the app is quite good to nose around the world and see some tweets in fascinating places.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"I'm sick of hearing about it, I'm sick of seeing it, I'm sick of looking at it,,,,,,why should religion cause all of this but most importantly why so human beings want to kill each other,,,,,,,,,I'm disgusted by it all,,,,,,,,,

Well ISIS is generally fighting other Muslims, so religion doesn't have much to do with it.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

"Did we turn against the Irish or Catholics for the IRA?

If not, then there's no reason why we would now on Muslims. "

Some places they did sadly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"With the news of the death of 'Jihadi John' and the murders - again - in France, will we see a backlash against Muslims in Britain? And will people turn against the refugees flooding into Europe? I can't help but feel we will of course their will be but just as Muslims find our lifestyle distasteful to them I do to theirs how she we not have an opinion on it ,I don't want to kill anyone having said that I just disagree with religion as a basis for life ,in my opinion it's brain washing and any race that treats others as subservients (women) should face rebuke

Sometimes its so nice to see people who are board minded

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well ISIS is generally fighting other Muslims, so religion doesn't have much to do with it."

That statement should win a prize

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"Did we turn against the Irish or Catholics for the IRA?

If not, then there's no reason why we would now on Muslims.

Some places they did sadly."
we locked a hell of a lot of them away for being Irish and in the wrong place at the wrong time Birmingham six Guildford four spring to mind

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By *aneandpaulCouple
over a year ago

cleveleys

Is there any of the good Muslims helping us a telling the Powers of B were the bad Muslims are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Religion should be scraped and we should all become Atheist their is no such thing as God we all organic matter live your life each day you only live once it's evolution just face it it's the truth, yes we all like to believe we live on but we no that's not true so we all should just do good in our lives for one another and help our fellow humans. If their was a god he should have destroyed this planet and humanity along time ago. Well it's all heading for a Big Bang soon in the Middle East.!! I have had a good life so far just feel sorry for our Children.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are all people at base level and have to put up with the same shit life throws at us, uslis don't turn against all British and US Christians for the bombing of their relatives in their country of origin.

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

"Is there any of the good Muslims helping us a telling the Powers of B were the bad Muslims are"

I think isil might be in the country of isil.

get £50 from crime stoppers for that. no need to thank me

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

"Religion should be scraped and we should all become Atheist their is no such thing as God we all organic matter live your life each day you only live once it's evolution just face it it's the truth, yes we all like to believe we live on but we no that's not true so we all should just do good in our lives for one another and help our fellow humans. If their was a god he should have destroyed this planet and humanity along time ago. Well it's all heading for a Big Bang soon in the Middle East.!! I have had a good life so far just feel sorry for our Children. "

thats the most accurate insightful crazy person rant ive ever heard

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Check the tweets people. "

Hi just tried to mail

You but won't let me. Can u add million tweets via a app and how do u see the tweets? Thanks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot of the problem is Muslims seem to be slow coming forward to say this or that is wrong!!

On occasion the Muslim Council of Britain have been terribly slow at condemning acts of terror..

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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago

Chippenham Malmesbury area

I really hope not - we are all one big community and should resist ANY attempt by terrorists to devide us!

I don't know enough about what the Islamic faith is doing to eradicate extremism but I'm fearful that if they fail then others will try, as there will sever consequences for everyone. No one wins when hatred and fear are the driving forces behind actions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well ISIS is generally fighting other Muslims, so religion doesn't have much to do with it.

That statement should win a prize

Nah don't let the evidence get in the way of deeply held prejudices. Never mind that ISIS fighters much more likely to be well paid mercenaries than brain washed dummies. Never mind that all the studies done show that terrorist justifications and grievances don't correlate with their actions at all, but they do correlate with the available wealth they van control (Oxford uni in case you are wondering) and lets ignore everything we know about history and pretend terrorism stared when the west got interested in middle east oil.

I read the daily mail so that makes me an arm chair expert. I might not know any Muslims and I don't even know what a Muslim is but I'm pretty sure they don't look like me so that's bad enough and they should all go home so we can build a wall around our border and that would be the end of all war and suffering ushering in an unheralded era of world peace.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love you all

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

A lot of the problem is Muslims seem to be slow coming forward to say this or that is wrong!!

On occasion the Muslim Council of Britain have been terribly slow at condemning acts of terror..

Why do you think they should?

Are you expected to condemn the actions of anyone from Melton Mowbray whenever they commit a crime?

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By *olfcartweaselCouple
over a year ago

Melrose

"I hope the moderate muslim voice comes out strong to condemn this."

Even the non-moderate ones have come out to condemn it. The Iranian president has condemned it, and the Iranian foreign ministry is quoted as saying "Those terrorist groups that committed the Paris crimes do not believe in ethical principles and they are not loyal to any type of divine religions — including Islam."

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

Nothing will change, although the people who think Islam and Muslims are the root of all our problems will shout louder.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

these 120 people will be forgotten by the masses in the the same way as the 100's of thousands of innocent people being killed in their homelands.........

only their immediate families will grieve over the long term.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

A lot of the problem is Muslims seem to be slow coming forward to say this or that is wrong!!

On occasion the Muslim Council of Britain have been terribly slow at condemning acts of terror..

They could drape themselves in sackcloth and ashes, flagellate themselves with cat o'ninetails it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference it wouldn't be reported.

Why do people expect moderate Muslims to apologise anyway? I don't feel the need to apologise/condemn atrocities carried out by women/black people/Christians/labour politicians etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think that threads like this show that their is a backlash against Muslims in the UK.

Thankfully the majority of warmongering is done from behind a keyboard in the warmth of a living room."

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

A lot of the problem is Muslims seem to be slow coming forward to say this or that is wrong!!

On occasion the Muslim Council of Britain have been terribly slow at condemning acts of terror..

Why do you think they should?

Are you expected to condemn the actions of anyone from Melton Mowbray whenever they commit a crime?"

Thank you: my point exactly!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot of the problem is Muslims seem to be slow coming forward to say this or that is wrong!!

On occasion the Muslim Council of Britain have been terribly slow at condemning acts of terror..

Why do you think they should?

Are you expected to condemn the actions of anyone from Melton Mowbray whenever they commit a crime?"

Because the extremists are claiming they are doing this in the name of Islam. Of course proper Muslims should condemn this.

If only to help stop young disenfranchised muslims being attracted to such groups.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

A lot of the problem is Muslims seem to be slow coming forward to say this or that is wrong!!

On occasion the Muslim Council of Britain have been terribly slow at condemning acts of terror..

They could drape themselves in sackcloth and ashes, flagellate themselves with cat o'ninetails it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference it wouldn't be reported.

Why do people expect moderate Muslims to apologise anyway? I don't feel the need to apologise/condemn atrocities carried out by women/black people/Christians/labour politicians etc.

ditto..

maybe i best go and buy a sandwich board and prepare to walk the high street condemning criminal acts carried out by white middle aged blokes..

just so we all know that one doesn't agree etc..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why do you think they should?

Are you expected to condemn the actions of anyone from Melton Mowbray whenever they commit a crime?"

Where are all the moderate Muslims in the mosques when the hate is being preached & there young being turned to evil?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Terrorism is not an individual crime done for personal gain like some are comparing it to.

Terrorism is conducted with a political, ideological aim, usually on behalf of a section of the population. IRA on behalf of Irish Republican catholics, KKK on behalf of white people as examples.

Of course if you are one of these people and these terrorists are misrepresenting your thoughts and _iews then you should speak up against them and clarify what you stand for and believe.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Checked the million tweet map. It's kinda interesting but most people were just expressing shock.

As for will there be a backlash of course there will. When people get scared or angry they act in a way that makes sense to them even if its not logical.

This attack has zero to do with jahidi John. It takes ages to plan shit like this.

ISIS are under pressure on all fronts. Sadly they will strike back were they can.

Really? And how do you know this? Do you have a direct line to the military commanders and planners of IS? Or is it that you like many others are so arrogant that you refuse to give IS credit for taking and holding so much of Syria and Iriq for years against all comers while setting up new branches and destabilising the majority of Middle Eastern countries and infiltrating their fighters into Europe?

Like it or not IS is a well oiled machine that has long term plans and planners. I for one am not so stupid and blinkered to dismiss the possibility that they have numerous sleeper cells with fully prepared preplanned targets just awaiting activation in response to the loss of any high value asset or enemy gain.

Remember within days of Russian air-power being used against them a Russian plane was brought down killing hundreds. Now within hours of Jahidi John being killed there is another attack killing and injuring similar numbers. I see an emerging pattern, do you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot of the problem is Muslims seem to be slow coming forward to say this or that is wrong!!

On occasion the Muslim Council of Britain have been terribly slow at condemning acts of terror..

Why do you think they should?

Are you expected to condemn the actions of anyone from Melton Mowbray whenever they commit a crime?

Because the extremists are claiming they are doing this in the name of Islam. Of course proper Muslims should condemn this.

If only to help stop young disenfranchised muslims being attracted to such groups."

I'm guessing you've never heard of the representativeness heuristic?

It's not the flag waving fanatic with an IQ of 60 that I worry about. Its the battle hardened mercenary from chechnya that keeps me awake.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Terrorists have 2 Main allies. Time and Hatred. When they come knocking on the door of Politicians and reach them. Will they wake up and smell what there shovelling?? I don't think so. As long as the innocent suffer. Nothing will be done. Throughout History. Todays Terrorist leaders become tomorrow's countries Leaders. YES THAT'S RIGHT.

TOTAL ARSE WIPES!

Only the innocent suffer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot of the problem is Muslims seem to be slow coming forward to say this or that is wrong!!

On occasion the Muslim Council of Britain have been terribly slow at condemning acts of terror..

Why do you think they should?

Are you expected to condemn the actions of anyone from Melton Mowbray whenever they commit a crime?"

I think your simplifying the point a little there. People who commit a crime in say Melton Mowbray are not doing so in the name of the town or stating it's because of atrocities committed on people who live there. They just happen to live there. ISIS and other terror organizations are committing these acts and saying it is because their religion tells them to. If anyone murdered someone and tried to include my religion, value, are belief as justificationi would feel the need to say that I did not agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not about race, colour, or which God you pray to.

Some people just want to watch the world burn and will find any any excuse to justify it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not about race, colour, or which God you pray to.

Some people just want to watch the world burn and will find any any excuse to justify it."

Almost, they want to get powerful off watching the world burn, which normally equates to financial gain. That's not much of a rallying cry so it sounds better cloaked in a religious / political / visionary agenda. But smart people look beneath the surface...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot of the problem is Muslims seem to be slow coming forward to say this or that is wrong!!

On occasion the Muslim Council of Britain have been terribly slow at condemning acts of terror..

Why do you think they should?

Are you expected to condemn the actions of anyone from Melton Mowbray whenever they commit a crime?

As a normal (ish) bloke from what I read and see on the news the Muslim council and general population are not doing enough to out radicals within their communities.

Religious leader's, family, etc should be more proactive and a higher profile should be maintained.

Thus proving that they are also against radicals and terrorism.

This stance would mean that the rest of the population will be more supportive towards Muslims.

All that seems to happen now unfortunately is a senior cleric will hold a news conference condemning it and that's all we see.

I don't blame all Muslims for these attacks, however I do feel that they are not doing enough to rid their religion of these nutcases.

I stand to be corrected if anyone cares to enlighten and educate please feel free.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Islamic state is a glorified illegal protection racket.They are trying to hold the world to ransom. The World should stop wringing it's hands and get together and form the most amazing wold alliance the world has ever seen, arrest these criminal gangs and either hunt them down till they are dead or crush their organisation. This is not about religion. It is a criminal nation gang.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

I make no secret that I despise the cult of Islam and pretty much everything it stands for. Then again I feel the same about most other religions which are nothing more than ancient mumbo jumbo created by humans to control other humans.

However this thread is about Muslims so I will stay on topic.

There is a sizeable section of this cult that has now declared war on us, and make no mistake it is war, like it or not.

At the outbreak of WW2 the British government took steps to intern all Germans and Italians living in Britain as move to counter espionage and for public safety. The Americans did the same with the Japanese community after Pearl harbour.

Now I fully accept that it would be impossible to intern the entire Muslim community in Britain or anywhere else, but it is now high time that serious restrictions should be placed on Islam in the west.

We often hear the mantra "if it saves one life then it is worth it" when for whatever reason governments take away a little bit more of our freedoms. Over zealous health and safety rules, draconian penalties for minor motoring offences and the like, we always hear the same thing."If it saves one life it is worth it"

So after well over a hundred people we killed last night, two hundred and odd blown out of the sky a couple of weeks ago, Charlie Hebdo, Madrid, 7/7 and so on. Isn't it now time that the "if it saves one life" principle is applied to Islam?

Like it or not, this is WW3 and we are all in the front line and it is about time politicians put public safety above the fear of causing offence.

I know some of you wont like what I have written and some of you will want to call me lots of horrible names. My only answer to you would be: Just hope and pray to whatever god you follow that you or your family are not victims of the next attack that will surely come as certainly as night follows day. We just don't know where or when.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Why do you think they should?

Are you expected to condemn the actions of anyone from Melton Mowbray whenever they commit a crime?

Where are all the moderate Muslims in the mosques when the hate is being preached & there young being turned to evil?"

Where are you when the criminals of Melton Mowbray are being criminals?

The point, which seems to elude you, is that moderate Muslims are no more responsible for the action of radical criminal Muslims than you are.

And it is besides the point that these sort of crimes are always and have always been criticised in the strongest terms by the Muslim community as a whole.

But you will see what you want to see, so carry on as you like.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think people will have any problems with the genuine refugees fleeing violence and persecution, who stop at the first safe country and claim assylum.

The economic refugees are another matter entirely.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"I make no secret that I despise the cult of Islam and pretty much everything it stands for. Then again I feel the same about most other religions which are nothing more than ancient mumbo jumbo created by humans to control other humans.

However this thread is about Muslims so I will stay on topic.

There is a sizeable section of this cult that has now declared war on us, and make no mistake it is war, like it or not.

Like it or not, this is WW3 and we are all in the front line and it is about time politicians put public safety above the fear of causing offence.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

This line should have read.

So after well over a hundred people were killed last night.

It is amazing how missing a couple of letters can completely change the meaning of something.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

A lot of the problem is Muslims seem to be slow coming forward to say this or that is wrong!!

On occasion the Muslim Council of Britain have been terribly slow at condemning acts of terror..

Why do you think they should?

Are you expected to condemn the actions of anyone from Melton Mowbray whenever they commit a crime?

As a normal (ish) bloke from what I read and see on the news the Muslim council and general population are not doing enough to out radicals within their communities.

Religious leader's, family, etc should be more proactive and a higher profile should be maintained.

Thus proving that they are also against radicals and terrorism.

This stance would mean that the rest of the population will be more supportive towards Muslims.

All that seems to happen now unfortunately is a senior cleric will hold a news conference condemning it and that's all we see.

I don't blame all Muslims for these attacks, however I do feel that they are not doing enough to rid their religion of these nutcases.

I stand to be corrected if anyone cares to enlighten and educate please feel free. "

As you hold the opinion that they are not doing enough, one assumes you are informed about what they are doing.

Perhaps you could detail that first, and then we could suggest what could be done in addition, with the benefit of your informed opinion.

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By *eally Filthy CoupleCouple
over a year ago

bristol

this

Surely all Muslims, especially Imams, must come out publicly and condemn these actions and support the West in their bid to tackle terrorism"

100% agree with this . I know it will not happen and that is because there is a disturbingly high number of that community that secretly in there own minds support anti west radicals like isis

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Jihadists and Isis

You are scum

How dare you inflict so much fear and carnage ,death to innocent people

Do you know something the rest of us dont know...its not been confirmed who committed these terrible acts

His opinion on ISIS is valid no matter who is to blame. However the fact that suicide bombers were involved pretty much rubber stamps the action was carried out by a jihadist group."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

this

Surely all Muslims, especially Imams, must come out publicly and condemn these actions and support the West in their bid to tackle terrorism

100% agree with this . I know it will not happen and that is because there is a disturbingly high number of that community that secretly in there own minds support anti west radicals like isis "
....spot on comment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This line should have read.

So after well over a hundred people were killed last night.

It is amazing how missing a couple of letters can completely change the meaning of something."

Yes that was the only problem with your tirade. Thanks for correcting that bit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

this

Surely all Muslims, especially Imams, must come out publicly and condemn these actions and support the West in their bid to tackle terrorism

100% agree with this . I know it will not happen and that is because there is a disturbingly high number of that community that secretly in there own minds support anti west radicals like isis "

Erm... If they're secretly supporting them, how do you know how disturbingly high the number is?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot of the problem is Muslims seem to be slow coming forward to say this or that is wrong!!

On occasion the Muslim Council of Britain have been terribly slow at condemning acts of terror..

They could drape themselves in sackcloth and ashes, flagellate themselves with cat o'ninetails it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference it wouldn't be reported.

Why do people expect moderate Muslims to apologise anyway? I don't feel the need to apologise/condemn atrocities carried out by women/black people/Christians/labour politicians etc.

ditto..

maybe i best go and buy a sandwich board and prepare to walk the high street condemning criminal acts carried out by white middle aged blokes..

just so we all know that one doesn't agree etc..

Haha. I've got a sandwich board you can borrow if you like...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The actions of a handful of militant scum do not reflect the overall _iews of Muslims just as those of the KKK do not reflect mine.

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By *abphilMan
over a year ago

sheffield

We seem to have a common thread here, everything is offensive to someone, somewhere, its just how the human race is. Perhaps tolerance and common sense should be taught in the worlds schools, just a thought!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Send in the ground troops now destroy isis

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Far too many people revelling in this horrible tragedy because it fits their "clash of cultures" ideology.

Fortunately, wiser heads (not difficult) will prevail.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The actions of a handful of militant scum do not reflect the overall _iews of Muslims just as those of the KKK do not reflect mine."

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over a year ago

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Some ignorant and misguided people may try it but I hope not.

One thing that's become clearer over recent years is that any retaliatory action just fuels far more. Harassment in Hampshire (or anywhere) could lead to revenge murders.

The more we work to educate those who may turn to extreme activities, the less likely citizens here will be pulled astray.

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By *eally Filthy CoupleCouple
over a year ago

bristol

"The actions of a handful of militant scum do not reflect the overall _iews of Muslims just as those of the KKK do not reflect mine."

Agreed Brian, and most comments on here agree also, but a key point being made here is why is there not more vocal and large scale condemnation from the "peaceful" muslim community?? You would think they would be incensed that murders are being done in the name of their religion!!

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"This line should have read.

So after well over a hundred people were killed last night.

It is amazing how missing a couple of letters can completely change the meaning of something.

Yes that was the only problem with your tirade. Thanks for correcting that bit. "