FabSwingers.com forum: So... Our defences

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I don't usually get political... But Mr Corbyn, you really want us to get rid of our deterrent of nuclear capabilities. Tbh I would rather live in country that has some fuck off massive guns and military and might, to make these terrorist fuckers think twice about storming our shores again!

My thoughts are with all those affected by the horrific events this evening.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"I don't usually get political... But Mr Corbyn, you really want us to get rid of our deterrent of nuclear capabilities. Tbh I would rather live in country that has some fuck off massive guns and military and might, to make these terrorist fuckers think twice about storming our shores again!

My thoughts are with all those affected by the horrific events this evening.

hate to be the one to break this to you.... you do know that france actually has a nuclear deterrant as well.....

so please don't use what happened tonight for your own purpose.....

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So we nuke them? How useful a comment was that? Mr W

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ornynwcplCouple
over a year ago

Preston

My thoughts are with all those affected by the horrific events this evening.

hate to be the one to break this to you.... you do know that france actually has a nuclear deterrant as well.....

so please don't use what happened tonight for your own purpose....."

Nail on the empty head..

And love the idea of nuclear weapons to deal with what could potentially be homegrown terrorism.. Well thought out that one

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My thoughts are with all those affected by the horrific events this evening.

hate to be the one to break this to you.... you do know that france actually has a nuclear deterrant as well.....

so please don't use what happened tonight for your own purpose....."

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

My thoughts are with all those affected by the horrific events this evening.

hate to be the one to break this to you.... you do know that france actually has a nuclear deterrant as well.....

so please don't use what happened tonight for your own purpose....."

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What's the point in having them though? Nobody is going to destroy the planet and set them off.

They don't deter anything, they just feed the paranoia.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So we nuke them? How useful a comment was that? Mr W "

I didn't say that. I said a deterrent

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My thoughts are with all those affected by the horrific events this evening.

hate to be the one to break this to you.... you do know that france actually has a nuclear deterrant as well.....

so please don't use what happened tonight for your own purpose.....

I don't have a purpose or agenda so I'm offended you think I do (or what you might even think that my purpose is!), but I just think that his thoughts on our military and capability to defend our country are, in these times, not the correct route to take "
Do us all a favour and stick your politics where the sun don't shine for one day. By all means discuss what he stands for another day but not today. Nothing can justify or explain what has happened or how to prevent it happening again. Right now I would love to fly a highly explosive drone and blow some of the bastards to pieces. But where would I fly it to? As much as I detest many politicians they have to defend this country but how do you defend internal fundamentalism? Mr W

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"So we nuke them? How useful a comment was that? Mr W

I didn't say that. I said a deterrent "

no one has ever said at any point that there should not be a deterrent

does someone actually want to explain the different for lola between conventional weaponry and nuclear weaponry.....

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

"What's the point in having them though? Nobody is going to destroy the planet and set them off.

They don't deter anything, they just feed the paranoia."

theyve been set off 2050 of them. they deter_ed ww3 havent you noticed?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So we nuke them? How useful a comment was that? Mr W

I didn't say that. I said a deterrent

no one has ever said at any point that there should not be a deterrent

does someone actually want to explain the different for lola between conventional weaponry and nuclear weaponry....."

Would you like to stop being a patronising arse?!

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What's the point in having them though? Nobody is going to destroy the planet and set them off.

They don't deter anything, they just feed the paranoia.

theyve been set off 2050 of them. they deter_ed ww3 havent you noticed? "

Actually i did forget about the countries that aren't allowed nuclear weapons coz they're under attack.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

My thoughts are with all those affected by the horrific events this evening.

hate to be the one to break this to you.... you do know that france actually has a nuclear deterrant as well.....

so please don't use what happened tonight for your own purpose.....

I don't have a purpose or agenda so I'm offended you think I do (or what you might even think that my purpose is!), but I just think that his thoughts on our military and capability to defend our country are, in these times, not the correct route to take Do us all a favour and stick your politics where the sun don't shine for one day. By all means discuss what he stands for another day but not today. Nothing can justify or explain what has happened or how to prevent it happening again. Right now I would love to fly a highly explosive drone and blow some of the bastards to pieces. But where would I fly it to? As much as I detest many politicians they have to defend this country but how do you defend internal fundamentalism? Mr W "

I'm not political in the slightest but thanks for your assumptions... Sorry opinions. I can voice mine the same as you can.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Politicians will do what the Fuck they like. Fundamentalists on both sides will fight eachother till there is no one left on earth. I thought we came here to Fuck. We the people control Fuck all. So screw it. All our lives are worth poss to the people playing these games.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

My thoughts are with all those affected by the horrific events this evening.

hate to be the one to break this to you.... you do know that france actually has a nuclear deterrant as well.....

so please don't use what happened tonight for your own purpose.....

I don't have a purpose or agenda so I'm offended you think I do (or what you might even think that my purpose is!), but I just think that his thoughts on our military and capability to defend our country are, in these times, not the correct route to take Do us all a favour and stick your politics where the sun don't shine for one day. By all means discuss what he stands for another day but not today. Nothing can justify or explain what has happened or how to prevent it happening again. Right now I would love to fly a highly explosive drone and blow some of the bastards to pieces. But where would I fly it to? As much as I detest many politicians they have to defend this country but how do you defend internal fundamentalism? Mr W "

perhaps you can tell the class how you know its not isil?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"So we nuke them? How useful a comment was that? Mr W

I didn't say that. I said a deterrent

no one has ever said at any point that there should not be a deterrent

does someone actually want to explain the different for lola between conventional weaponry and nuclear weaponry.....

Would you like to stop being a patronising arse?!"

i will when you finally have a clue what you are talking about!!!!

until then... if you want to give cute soundbites which no one has actually said and means complete shit...... go for your guns....

love to hear how a "nuclear" deterrant is going to stop a suicide bomber....... I would have thought them "non nuclear" bullet type thingeys would give you a better shot (excuse the unintended pun)

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I honestly feel like the world has been created for us but it's a big shitty fucked up world that got made.

How did we get so crap, everything. Like most people are nice, decent people i thought. So why isn't everything else?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

A bullet (or three) would be more effective than a nuclear weapon. Question is, who do we aim the muzzle at?

Unlike the innocent people who were shot with a 'scatter gun', we have to first identify a target

My instinct is to catch these murderers and torture them to death. But the reality is that I don't want that either. I just want them to stop and for my friends, family and myself to be safe

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

My thoughts are with all those affected by the horrific events this evening.

hate to be the one to break this to you.... you do know that france actually has a nuclear deterrant as well.....

so please don't use what happened tonight for your own purpose....."

Old style weapons for an old style world. Terrorists are often not bothe_ed about losing their lives either, so don't think nuclear arsenals prevent terrorists. They may attract them.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Aw bless. The world was made 6 billion years before the first human took its first life. So clearly not 'for us'. Your comment would be cute if I didn't think you actually believe it. We are on mass greedy, psychotic parasites on the face of this earth. Repeating the same cycle of violence millennia after millennia. Our weapons get bigger but our excuses stay the same. The powerful will always condemn the weak. If you wanna change anything you have to recognise the fault in repeating the same mindless crap and do something completely different. Not gonna happen though. As long as someone profits from war there will always be war.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not a creationist, i meant the world we have now was created for us. Not by us (like i feel it should be) but for us, and it's a crap one. Just feel like it should be better than this because i thought people overall were better than this and there's more of the decent people than the psychos. Maybe we're too passive.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Or not passive enough. You are right in that point this system was not built by our generation. We inherited the failure of previous generations and have just ran with it. It seems easier to accept our fate rather than see a better future for our species because is way we don't actually have to do thing about it. But honestly, when you look to the future we are leaving for the next generation, do you see a bright one or should we start apologising to our children now for failing to make a better word for them?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *tillwaterMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind with the one eyed man being king

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't look to the future really. If i think about it right now though i can see many possibilities.

I think we're doing better than past generations. Not sure if people should apologise for letting things continue as they are, i suppose everyone is free to run their life how they want to and their kids will continue this if they want to.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

"So we nuke them? How useful a comment was that? Mr W

I didn't say that. I said a deterrent

no one has ever said at any point that there should not be a deterrent

does someone actually want to explain the different for lola between conventional weaponry and nuclear weaponry.....

Would you like to stop being a patronising arse?!

i will when you finally have a clue what you are talking about!!!!

until then... if you want to give cute soundbites which no one has actually said and means complete shit...... go for your guns....

love to hear how a "nuclear" deterrant is going to stop a suicide bomber....... I would have thought them "non nuclear" bullet type thingeys would give you a better shot (excuse the unintended pun)"

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone

Not sure our military or our nuclear capabilities are much of a deterrent, considering neither patrol our streets. Maybe a few more bow street runners would help, with a bit more specialist training, as they kinda do patrol our streets, jus sayin

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"A bullet (or three) would be more effective than a nuclear weapon. Question is, who do we aim the muzzle at?

Unlike the innocent people who were shot with a 'scatter gun', we have to first identify a target

My instinct is to catch these murderers and torture them to death. But the reality is that I don't want that either. I just want them to stop and for my friends, family and myself to be safe"

Sums up my views!

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Perhaps rather than argue between ourselves lets think about the killed and the families of these people who have to get up this morning its them my heart goes out to any type of weapon is not going to stop a fanatic walking into a public place and blowing hiself up these so called migrants that everybody is feeling sorry for js a perfect hiding place to get into countries so we are powerless to stop it

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Perhaps rather than argue between ourselves lets think about the killed and the families of these people who have to get up this morning its them my heart goes out to any type of weapon is not going to stop a fanatic walking into a public place and blowing hiself up these so called migrants that everybody is feeling sorry for js a perfect hiding place to get into countries so we are powerless to stop it"

well said

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

[Removed by poster at 14/11/15 07:36:17]

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can we not turn this into yet another immigrant thread ?

A terrorist attack in another country has already turned into a discussion on nuclear weaponry and the ideologies of a politician that is never likely to have any real power.

The problems facing France now have less to do with the current migration into Europe than they do with their involvement in bombing Syria and their historical legacies in North Africa.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So we nuke them? How useful a comment was that? Mr W

I didn't say that. I said a deterrent "

So you need to pretend you are going to nuke them. But not really. Just pretend. As a deterrent.

.... Right.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do wonder how the leaders of Germany, France and Italy would feel about us carrying out nuclear attacks on their countries in order to stop the immigrants getting here and being similarly ungrateful for the hospitality they were afforded

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ozzy87Man
over a year ago

Crawley

I soluble only consider the use of nuclear weapons if it creates a Fallout type world.

I WANT SOME POWER ARMOUR!!

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

Lets remember this is not Muslims against everyone else.

Many Muslims were killed in a bomb in Beirut just the other day and there are terrorist attacks happening every day that kill Muslims.

This is Islamic extremism, like the nationalist extremism of the IRA, like the racial extemism of the Klan and Anders Brevik.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What does worry me is the lack of Police now. We have reactive Policing France has an almost Paramilitary Police force and they struggled to cope.

In some areas armed Police are scarce with the ambulance service at breaking point. Can you imagine the carnage that would occur if an active shooting attack happened here?

It's very worrying.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"What does worry me is the lack of Police now. We have reactive Policing France has an almost Paramilitary Police force and they struggled to cope.

In some areas armed Police are scarce with the ambulance service at breaking point. Can you imagine the carnage that would occur if an active shooting attack happened here?

It's very worrying. "

Thank goodnss Theresa has been digging her heels in over the cuts Osbourne is wanting.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What does worry me is the lack of Police now. We have reactive Policing France has an almost Paramilitary Police force and they struggled to cope.

In some areas armed Police are scarce with the ambulance service at breaking point. Can you imagine the carnage that would occur if an active shooting attack happened here?

It's very worrying.

Thank goodnss Theresa has been digging her heels in over the cuts Osbourne is wanting."

She was speaking this week about making firearms team regional which would make them up to 45 mins away from some population centres. Can you imagine coordinated Paris esque attacks with two officers in a car that far away?

Austerity is not looking good.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *izzabelle and well hungCouple
over a year ago

Edinburgh.

Let's nuke Paris. Or at least bomb it like it was Baghdad.

Sigh.

Believe me I'd rather have corbyn looking at this than blair and bush.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

My thoughts are with all those affected by the horrific events this evening.

posting something with the anger, outrage and fear that the events in Paris appear to have caused only serves to over ride ones common sense..

its reactive lashing out without thinking through ones response..

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"What does worry me is the lack of Police now. We have reactive Policing France has an almost Paramilitary Police force and they struggled to cope.

In some areas armed Police are scarce with the ambulance service at breaking point. Can you imagine the carnage that would occur if an active shooting attack happened here?

It's very worrying.

Thank goodnss Theresa has been digging her heels in over the cuts Osbourne is wanting.

Austerity is not looking good. "

Hmmmm, makes me wonder how prepa_ed they are for rapid response in urban areas.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My thoughts are with all those affected by the horrific events this evening.

hate to be the one to break this to you.... you do know that france actually has a nuclear deterrant as well.....

so please don't use what happened tonight for your own purpose.....

I don't have a purpose or agenda so I'm offended you think I do (or what you might even think that my purpose is!), but I just think that his thoughts on our military and capability to defend our country are, in these times, not the correct route to take Do us all a favour and stick your politics where the sun don't shine for one day. By all means discuss what he stands for another day but not today. Nothing can justify or explain what has happened or how to prevent it happening again. Right now I would love to fly a highly explosive drone and blow some of the bastards to pieces. But where would I fly it to? As much as I detest many politicians they have to defend this country but how do you defend internal fundamentalism? Mr W

I'm not political in the slightest but thanks for your assumptions... Sorry opinions. I can voice mine the same as you can. "
You mentioned a politician and politics. Mr W

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm with you on the sentiment about the families and loved ones, they need to know what has happened.

I disagree with you when it comes to the immigration stance. A big part of the reason for there being all the camps in Calais and Germany and Hungary and all over Europe is that attacks like this happen on a weekly basis in a lot of the countries that all of the people are coming from.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My thoughts are with all those affected by the horrific events this evening.

posting something with the anger, outrage and fear that the events in Paris appear to have caused only serves to over ride ones common sense..

its reactive lashing out without thinking through ones response..

and what massive guns would have prevented last night? all out warfare is very rare. this is an era of guerilla fighting and fanatics. the world must not be sca_ed, we must be very vigilant.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *edMan
over a year ago

cambridgeshire

"What does worry me is the lack of Police now. We have reactive Policing France has an almost Paramilitary Police force and they struggled to cope.

In some areas armed Police are scarce with the ambulance service at breaking point. Can you imagine the carnage that would occur if an active shooting attack happened here?

It's very worrying.

Thank goodnss Theresa has been digging her heels in over the cuts Osbourne is wanting.

Austerity is not looking good. "

As always crazysexy hits the nail on the head in a measu_ed, insightful way. The politicians are gradually leaving us bare, unprotected from only too obvious threats. They massage figures to pretend crime is diminishing when the truth is people are either too sca_ed to report it, or see no point because they don't believe there is a chance anything will be done.

Living in an area where 3 forces have joined into a tri partie agreement go save money and allegedly improve efficiency, we are now told by one force they will not come out for things like burglaries. Another of the three forces has hinted the same.

This links to serious crime and terrorism because the police traditionally would get a lot of intelligence from the general public. If you don't relate with the public, your intelligence diminishes, and the criminals and terrorists flourish.

As for Theresa May.... I don't often shout at my TV, but she makes me do it !

All firearms unit protecting the politicians should be returned to the response teams, and then the politicos can truly say we are all in it together!

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

Heads up, we don't have much of a military might anymore. We are no longer the strong fighting force we used to be, all thanks to cut backs.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"Heads up, we don't have much of a military might anymore. We are no longer the strong fighting force we used to be, all thanks to cut backs."
we no longer have an army less than 80.000 full timers make it a defence force not an army

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *hekaiserMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I'm with you on the sentiment about the families and loved ones, they need to know what has happened.

Oh really?

Lets just tar all with the same brush.

Not many people here pick up on the fact WE ( the west) created this mess...who invaded Iraq/Afghanistan?

Who bombed Libya and then walked away leaving all the different sects to fight it out?

Who stood back and watch Syria burn?

YES...arabs (NOT muslim) govts in the middle east have their own agenda when it comes to Syria.

However, every major player is in on the developments.

So please dont tar everyone wit the same brush....the vast majority of people coming to Europe are doing so to find a better life etc.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/16/david-cameron-to-boost-security-spending-after-paris-attacks

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My thoughts are with all those affected by the horrific events this evening.

hate to be the one to break this to you.... you do know that france actually has a nuclear deterrant as well.....

so please don't use what happened tonight for your own purpose.....

So you're going to nuke Bradford?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Heads up, we don't have much of a military might anymore. We are no longer the strong fighting force we used to be, all thanks to cut backs.we no longer have an army less than 80.000 full timers make it a defence force not an army "

We've got one of only 3 blue water navies in the world iirc

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *rixieswTV/TS
over a year ago

S.Westerly

Is a Swingers site the place for such discussion?

Or have I got the wrong idea about Swinging?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think we should have soldiers on the streets, in all cities across the UK. We don't have an army anymore we have a security force, we lost the title of army when the numbers fell under 90k. I think it's 89 thousand armed forces people now thanks to all the cuts but there's camps and bases all over the UK and when these guys aren't on exercise they genuinely are on camp twiddling their thumbs, they would be more than happy to just walk around the streets in full uniform with weapons in hand, not doing anything in particular but I'm sure if a would be shooter or suicide bomber could see armed soldiers walking round the streets it would make them think twice.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Please note: All comments herein are passed to the MoD, who are reliant upon your input.

Your suggestions will be given due consideration and possible implementation right after the Ministry has assessed those from a dogging site, mumsnet, and the Justin Bieber Fanclub forum.

We'll keep you updated.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I honestly feel like the world has been created for us but it's a big shitty fucked up world that got made.

How did we get so crap, everything. Like most people are nice, decent people i thought. So why isn't everything else?"

I understand your fears, but the world isn't any crappier than it was in the so called golden years when people could leave their backdoors open (the backdoors on their houses you pervs)

The only thing that has changed is that you world has suddenly become a lot smaller (globalisation) and the media is controlled by a few rich people who want to scare us.

Why do they want to scare us?

Well if we are all sca_ed it's much easier for governments to implement legislation that curtails our human rights, such as 24/7 surveillance.

It's also much easier to increase spending on security and intelligence and to keep high level weapons systems such as Trident.

People who are sca_ed are much easier to manipulate and control.

The Establishment want us all sca_ed. They want us to believe that terrorists are going to leap out from behind a hedge and kill us. They want us to believe that we are going to loose our jobs to immigrants. They want us to believe that we are being bankrupted by idle scroungers.

In fact the quite opposite is true

But since when did the media let the truth get in the way of a good story

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"We've got one of only 3 blue water navies in the world iirc"

Since when?

Just to be clear, without looking anything up here are the ones I can name:

USA (I think they have the biggest).

Russia (maybe some of their stuff is badly maintained but it still works).

China.

France (they are the ones who will lend us an aircraft carrier if we need one [fat chance]).

Australia (or maybe you think being able to bob around in the largest ocean in the world and launch rescue missions into the ant-artic seas does not qualify as blue water...).

Now thats 5 of the 2 (other than us) you claim to exist.

And if I went checking I think I would find that Canada, New Zealand, Vietnam, Japan and Korea (north and south) have blue water navies.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"Is a Swingers site the place for such discussion?

Or have I got the wrong idea about Swinging?

The lounge is for anything and everything. If you want to suck, fuck, avoid...swingers chat is that way -----

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is a Swingers site the place for such discussion?

Or have I got the wrong idea about Swinging?

The lounge is for anything and everything. If you want to suck, fuck, avoid...swingers chat is that way -----"

Fuck please

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

[Removed by poster at 16/11/15 10:04:33]

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"Is a Swingers site the place for such discussion?

Or have I got the wrong idea about Swinging?

The lounge is for anything and everything. If you want to suck, fuck, avoid...swingers chat is that way -----

Fuck please

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

[Removed by poster at 16/11/15 10:07:08]

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We should put a transfer request in for putin

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We've got one of only 3 blue water navies in the world iirc

Since when?

Just to be clear, without looking anything up here are the ones I can name:

USA (I think they have the biggest).

Russia (maybe some of their stuff is badly maintained but it still works).

China.

France (they are the ones who will lend us an aircraft carrier if we need one [fat chance]).

Australia (or maybe you think being able to bob around in the largest ocean in the world and launch rescue missions into the ant-artic seas does not qualify as blue water...).

Now thats 5 of the 2 (other than us) you claim to exist.

And if I went checking I think I would find that Canada, New Zealand, Vietnam, Japan and Korea (north and south) have blue water navies."

Canada new zeland Japan (who only have a defence force) and Korea do not have blue water navies they have brown.

I suppose China has moved up the list since they started building carriers but they never used to be conside_ed a blue water nave as they only had the capability and desire to work locally around their own islands.

You could count france i suppose but but it is in a very limited capacity. (Down to just one carrier now so unlikely to lend it out )

The only major ones are the USA, the UK and russia

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"We should put a transfer request in for putin

You want him riding shirtless through the valleys on horseback eh?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Australia (or maybe you think being able to bob around in the largest ocean in the world and launch rescue missions into the ant-artic seas does not qualify as blue water...)."

Correct it's not.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

[Removed by poster at 16/11/15 10:15:48]

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Australia (or maybe you think being able to bob around in the largest ocean in the world and launch rescue missions into the ant-artic seas does not qualify as blue water...)."

Correct it's not."

You're pretty, never looked at your pictures before, lovely willy. Take the compliment, I rarely give them!

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We should put a transfer request in for putin

You want him riding shirtless through the valleys on horseback eh?

Haha why not bet he be right laugh on the piss aswell

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"We should put a transfer request in for putin

You want him riding shirtless through the valleys on horseback eh?

Haha why not bet he be right laugh on the piss aswell

And probably buy the drinks

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Australia (or maybe you think being able to bob around in the largest ocean in the world and launch rescue missions into the ant-artic seas does not qualify as blue water...)."

Correct it's not."

India has a blue water navy along with China and France.

Source Janes Defence

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

"What does worry me is the lack of Police now. We have reactive Policing France has an almost Paramilitary Police force and they struggled to cope.

In some areas armed Police are scarce with the ambulance service at breaking point. Can you imagine the carnage that would occur if an active shooting attack happened here?

It's very worrying. "

We shouldn't kid ourselves. It's not a case of if, rather, than when...

The threat from IS is evolving all the time.

The fact they look to now have 'cells' within Europe and our lands is deeply worrying.

Expect the unexpected.

It's an extremely worrying situation, and no real solution exists to prevent it.

Ultimately they have to be destroyed with a huge international coordinated military effort, before they overwhelm us.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We should put a transfer request in for putin

You want him riding shirtless through the valleys on horseback eh?

Haha why not bet he be right laugh on the piss aswell

Don't want him over here, I like my apple juice without polonium in it.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We should put a transfer request in for putin

You want him riding shirtless through the valleys on horseback eh?

Haha why not bet he be right laugh on the piss aswell

And probably buy the drinks

Few vodkas his top will be off dancing around probably get thrown out of every club in cardiff

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We should put a transfer request in for putin

You want him riding shirtless through the valleys on horseback eh?

Haha why not bet he be right laugh on the piss aswell

And probably buy the drinks

Few vodkas his top will be off dancing around probably get thrown out of every club in cardiff

You wouldn't want to be the bouncer that chucks him out. I would be drinking from a sports bottle of baby's beaker for a while.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"We should put a transfer request in for putin

You want him riding shirtless through the valleys on horseback eh?

Haha why not bet he be right laugh on the piss aswell

And probably buy the drinks

Few vodkas his top will be off dancing around probably get thrown out of every club in cardiff

I suspect Cardiff has seen worse

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We should put a transfer request in for putin

You want him riding shirtless through the valleys on horseback eh?

Haha why not bet he be right laugh on the piss aswell

And probably buy the drinks

Few vodkas his top will be off dancing around probably get thrown out of every club in cardiff

I suspect Cardiff has seen worse

Its the norm down here

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What does worry me is the lack of Police now. We have reactive Policing France has an almost Paramilitary Police force and they struggled to cope.

In some areas armed Police are scarce with the ambulance service at breaking point. Can you imagine the carnage that would occur if an active shooting attack happened here?

It's very worrying.

We shouldn't kid ourselves. It's not a case of if, rather, than when...

The threat from IS is evolving all the time.

The fact they look to now have 'cells' within Europe and our lands is deeply worrying.

Expect the unexpected.

It's an extremely worrying situation, and no real solution exists to prevent it.

Ultimately they have to be destroyed with a huge international coordinated military effort, before they overwhelm us.

How will they overwhelm us? There were far, far more terrorist attacks in the 1970's and the 1980's when the IRA was a large, active paramilitary organisation. There were bombs going off on the British mainland on an almost monthly basis. But we didn't run around shouting "were doomed" and "let's organise military air strikes on Northern Ireland".

Let's be reasonable and sensible. More people died last year in the UK via food poisoning than in terrorist attacks, but I don't see anybody sending drones to bomb kebab shops with poor hygiene ratings.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

"What does worry me is the lack of Police now. We have reactive Policing France has an almost Paramilitary Police force and they struggled to cope.

In some areas armed Police are scarce with the ambulance service at breaking point. Can you imagine the carnage that would occur if an active shooting attack happened here?

It's very worrying.

We shouldn't kid ourselves. It's not a case of if, rather, than when...

The threat from IS is evolving all the time.

The fact they look to now have 'cells' within Europe and our lands is deeply worrying.

Expect the unexpected.

It's an extremely worrying situation, and no real solution exists to prevent it.

Ultimately they have to be destroyed with a huge international coordinated military effort, before they overwhelm us.

You can't compare the threat from IS to the threat from the IRA, 30/40 years ago. The IRA published warnings prior to their bombs.. IS, use suicide bombers, the IRA didn't..

The potential of what could escalate here, is the real worry.

This is a war between murderous fundamentalist Islam and Western civilisation, and basically anyone and anything not Muslim.

The Egypt plane crash, the attacks in Lebanon and Friday's events in Paris, all within two weeks...

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *icki.fucksTV/TS
over a year ago

Mcr

[Removed by poster at 16/11/15 11:02:15]

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

" There were far, far more terrorist attacks in the 1970's and the 1980's when the IRA was a large, active paramilitary organisation. There were bombs going off on the British mainland on an almost monthly basis. But we didn't run around shouting "were doomed" and "let's organise military air strikes on Northern Ireland". "

Your right we did not run around shouting "we'er doomed".

What we did was use the 1920 emergency powers act, the 1921 special emergency powers act (NI) and introduce the 1969 special powers act powers act to beef up the powers we already had. Then we sent some 30,000 troops to NI under Op Banner emergency reinforcement to the civil powers, introduce detention without trial, suspend trial by jury in NI and introduce the Diplock Courts...

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

And then we finally sat down and had a chat with our opponents and achieved peace in Northern Ireland.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

You can't compare the threat from IS to the threat from the IRA, 30/40 years ago. The IRA published warnings prior to their bombs.. IS, use suicide bombers, the IRA didn't..

For some of their bombs they did.

For British military and police they didn't.

My cousin was one of their victims.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"And then we finally sat down and had a chat with our opponents and achieved peace in Northern Ireland. "

Not really Tina, I hate to say this, but all that happened in the 90's is that both sides agreed to take a break. Nothing has been settled in NI, the hat_ed there is too deep.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And then we finally sat down and had a chat with our opponents and achieved peace in Northern Ireland. "

I don't think sitting down with ISIS will go the same way. However one they are out the way the best chance for peace will be sitting down and talking it out.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"And then we finally sat down and had a chat with our opponents and achieved peace in Northern Ireland. "

It's a very fragile 'peace'.

As the Northern Ireland Office confirmed recently, the IRA still exists.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

"And then we finally sat down and had a chat with our opponents and achieved peace in Northern Ireland. "

That's half the problem.

We can't sit down with IS and discuss a compromise or peace process.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

George bush jnr stopped that in his "if you fund a terrorist, or harbour a terrorist, you're a terrorist speech" as the IRA was being funded by yanks.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *edMan
over a year ago

cambridgeshire

"Please note: All comments herein are passed to the MoD, who are reliant upon your input.

Your suggestions will be given due consideration and possible implementation right after the Ministry has assessed those from a dogging site, mumsnet, and the Justin Bieber Fanclub forum.

We'll keep you updated."

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

its always the innocent ordinary people that are targeted i wonder what action the world leaders would take if god forbid any politician member or royal was murde_ed by terrorists?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

"its always the innocent ordinary people that are targeted i wonder what action the world leaders would take if god forbid any politician member or royal was murde_ed by terrorists? "

it's so common it has its own name. assassination.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"its always the innocent ordinary people that are targeted i wonder what action the world leaders would take if god forbid any politician member or royal was murde_ed by terrorists? "

The French president almost could have if the suicide bombers hadn't been stopped by security. He was at the football match in the stadium and was ushe_ed out. The death toll is already disgustingly high but imagine how many more there would have been if they'd got into that stadium and blown themselves up. The poor French player was inside and obviously didn't know his cousin had been killed in the attacks outside.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And then we finally sat down and had a chat with our opponents and achieved peace in Northern Ireland.

It's a very fragile 'peace'.

As the Northern Ireland Office confirmed recently, the IRA still exists. "

They very much exist,as do the loyalist paramilitary groups.. Shootings,beatings murders,kidnappings,extortions,drug dealing,arms and people dealing from both sides..need I go on.. That said,life over here now is much different to the country I grew up in.. 40yrs this country was pulling itself apart and our government done nothing to seak a peaceful solution until it was brought to their doorstep at Canary Wharf,it's the same everywhere,nobody cares until it hits them personally

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What does worry me is the lack of Police now. We have reactive Policing France has an almost Paramilitary Police force and they struggled to cope.

In some areas armed Police are scarce with the ambulance service at breaking point. Can you imagine the carnage that would occur if an active shooting attack happened here?

It's very worrying.

We shouldn't kid ourselves. It's not a case of if, rather, than when...

The threat from IS is evolving all the time.

The fact they look to now have 'cells' within Europe and our lands is deeply worrying.

Expect the unexpected.

It's an extremely worrying situation, and no real solution exists to prevent it.

Ultimately they have to be destroyed with a huge international coordinated military effort, before they overwhelm us.

You can't compare the threat from IS to the threat from the IRA, 30/40 years ago. The IRA published warnings prior to their bombs.. IS, use suicide bombers, the IRA didn't..

The potential of what could escalate here, is the real worry.

This is a war between murderous fundamentalist Islam and Western civilisation, and basically anyone and anything not Muslim.

The Egypt plane crash, the attacks in Lebanon and Friday's events in Paris, all within two weeks...

The threat from fundamentalists seeking to eradicate anybody who doesn't agree with their way of life is nothing new. We did it to the middle East during the Crusades. It happened in the Balkans, it continues today.

You can't compare what happens in other countries to the UK

The Egypt plane crash was a result of shite security and piss poor intelligence. I'd c_edit our airports and security services with being some of the best in the world.

The attacks in Lebanon were probably a quiet week in a part of the world that brings new meaning to the phrase 'neighbour dispute'

And lastly let's look at France.....no borders to speak of since the Schengen agreement came into force (the UK still has its borders), and automatic weapons are still relatively easy to get hold of in France (contrary to popular belief its quite difficult to get hold of automatic weapons in the UK)

Lastly, here is a bit of factual information rather than the worrymongering spouted by the press (who quite like a crisis cos it sells newspapers)......in the UK you are 17,000 times more likely to die of heart disease than you are of terrorism. But I don't see us carrying out airstrikes against Coca Cola, McDonald's or Burger King

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My thoughts are with all those affected by the horrific events this evening.

hate to be the one to break this to you.... you do know that france actually has a nuclear deterrant as well.....

so please don't use what happened tonight for your own purpose....."

well said as ever Fabbio

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Australia (or maybe you think being able to bob around in the largest ocean in the world and launch rescue missions into the ant-artic seas does not qualify as blue water...)."

Correct it's not.

You're pretty, never looked at your pictures before, lovely willy. Take the compliment, I rarely give them!"

With you, on that one.

Extremely pretty.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Australia (or maybe you think being able to bob around in the largest ocean in the world and launch rescue missions into the ant-artic seas does not qualify as blue water...)."

Correct it's not.

You're pretty, never looked at your pictures before, lovely willy. Take the compliment, I rarely give them!

With you, on that one.

Extremely pretty."

Errm thank you both.

Don't think I've ever been called pretty before :o

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *MaleMan
over a year ago

[Removed by poster at 16/11/15 18:22:49]

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *eorgeyporgeyMan
over a year ago

Warrington

Nukes don't deter aggression from anyone.

We are nuclear armed and have had terrorist attacks (so are and did the French).

It doesn't deter conventional aggression either (We were nuke armed in 1982).

Nukes are a waste of money, a weapon system that you can't use.

Use the money to either Build a new generation of Nuclear Power stations (which we won't have to pay the chinese x2 the price of electricity generated) and create huge numbers of well paid, highly skilled jobs, or build up our conventional forces.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"Politicians will do what the Fuck they like. Fundamentalists on both sides will fight eachother till there is no one left on earth. I thought we came here to Fuck. We the people control Fuck all. So screw it. All our lives are worth poss to the people playing these games."

Oooo, a nihlist - you don't see many of those about these days.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nukes don't deter aggression from anyone.

We are nuclear armed and have had terrorist attacks (so are and did the French).

It doesn't deter conventional aggression either (We were nuke armed in 1982).

Nukes are a waste of money, a weapon system that you can't use.

Tell that to the Soviet union

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *eorgeyporgeyMan
over a year ago

Warrington

"Nukes don't deter aggression from anyone.

We are nuclear armed and have had terrorist attacks (so are and did the French).

It doesn't deter conventional aggression either (We were nuke armed in 1982).

Nukes are a waste of money, a weapon system that you can't use.

Tell that to the Soviet union"
Did the Soviet union use nukes against any non nuke armed states? Did the Soviet Union having nukes prevent aggression by any other players?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nukes don't deter aggression from anyone.

We are nuclear armed and have had terrorist attacks (so are and did the French).

It doesn't deter conventional aggression either (We were nuke armed in 1982).

Nukes are a waste of money, a weapon system that you can't use.

Tell that to the Soviet union Did the Soviet union use nukes against any non nuke armed states? Did the Soviet Union having nukes prevent aggression by any other players?"

Yes they did use them to prevent agrees.

Just as we did against them.

Do you think the cold war would have stayed cold if neither side had nukes?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *eorgeyporgeyMan
over a year ago

Warrington

"Nukes don't deter aggression from anyone.

We are nuclear armed and have had terrorist attacks (so are and did the French).

It doesn't deter conventional aggression either (We were nuke armed in 1982).

Nukes are a waste of money, a weapon system that you can't use.

Tell that to the Soviet union Did the Soviet union use nukes against any non nuke armed states? Did the Soviet Union having nukes prevent aggression by any other players?

Yes they did use them to prevent agrees.

Just as we did against them.

Do you think the cold war would have stayed cold if neither side had nukes?"

Precisely how did either side stop aggression from anyone with threats of use of nukes? I could list all of the proxy conflicts...but one from each side from each decade?

Korea - Hungary

Vietnam - Czechoslovakia

(Still) Vietnam - Afghanistan

Grenada - (Still) Afghanistan

Which of these conflicts was prevented by possession of nuclear weaponry?

Yes, I do believe that the cold war would have stayed cold without nukes. The Great Game, a cold war between Britain and Russia in the 19th Century has a large number of similarities to the US/USSR cold war and, while there was one significant conflict, there was no full scale war between Britain and Russia.....

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok you want the real truth. Ok cameron despises corbyn. Why, upsetting their plans.

Knights of malta.. UK RUSSIA FRANCE USA AND VATICAN.

Vatican are generals under the queens royal command.

Rothchild Rockefeller own banks and land so does queen. You heard of New World Order. One world government.. They been doing this for years.

Who set up the wars? Shame you dont research any evidence. Truth is there fab swingers. X

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok you want the real truth. Ok cameron despises corbyn. Why, upsetting their plans.

Knights of malta.. UK RUSSIA FRANCE USA AND VATICAN.

Vatican are generals under the queens royal command.

Rothchild Rockefeller own banks and land so does queen. You heard of New World Order. One world government.. They been doing this for years.

Who set up the wars? Shame you dont research any evidence. Truth is there fab swingers. X

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nukes don't deter aggression from anyone.

We are nuclear armed and have had terrorist attacks (so are and did the French).

It doesn't deter conventional aggression either (We were nuke armed in 1982).

Nukes are a waste of money, a weapon system that you can't use.

Tell that to the Soviet union Did the Soviet union use nukes against any non nuke armed states? Did the Soviet Union having nukes prevent aggression by any other players?

Yes they did use them to prevent agrees.

Just as we did against them.

Do you think the cold war would have stayed cold if neither side had nukes?

Precisely how did either side stop aggression from anyone with threats of use of nukes? I could list all of the proxy conflicts...but one from each side from each decade?

Korea - Hungary

Vietnam - Czechoslovakia

(Still) Vietnam - Afghanistan

Grenada - (Still) Afghanistan

Which of these conflicts was prevented by possession of nuclear weaponry?

It stopped agressipn between the ussr and the West being open all our war.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *eorgeyporgeyMan
over a year ago

Warrington

"Nukes don't deter aggression from anyone.

We are nuclear armed and have had terrorist attacks (so are and did the French).

It doesn't deter conventional aggression either (We were nuke armed in 1982).

Nukes are a waste of money, a weapon system that you can't use.

Tell that to the Soviet union Did the Soviet union use nukes against any non nuke armed states? Did the Soviet Union having nukes prevent aggression by any other players?

Yes they did use them to prevent agrees.

Just as we did against them.

Do you think the cold war would have stayed cold if neither side had nukes?

Precisely how did either side stop aggression from anyone with threats of use of nukes? I could list all of the proxy conflicts...but one from each side from each decade?

Korea - Hungary

Vietnam - Czechoslovakia

(Still) Vietnam - Afghanistan

Grenada - (Still) Afghanistan

Which of these conflicts was prevented by possession of nuclear weaponry?

It stopped agressipn between the ussr and the West being open all our war.

"
Invalid then. USSR had no nukes in 1948/49 during the Berlin airlift, war could easily have broken out were that on course. The following year War broke out in Korea. The USSR sent resources to North Korea, US and China fought openly but no war spilt out beyond that theatre.

Once again, I state that Nukes do not deter aggression. If they did, Argentina would not have invaded the Falkland, for fear of a thermo Buenos Aires...

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

"Ok you want the real truth. Ok cameron despises corbyn. Why, upsetting their plans.

Knights of malta.. UK RUSSIA FRANCE USA AND VATICAN.

Vatican are generals under the queens royal command.

Rothchild Rockefeller own banks and land so does queen. You heard of New World Order. One world government.. They been doing this for years.

Who set up the wars? Shame you dont research any evidence. Truth is there fab swingers. X"

I think your on to something. I'm sure the illuminate have swapped my tin foil hat for an aluminium one.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nukes don't deter aggression from anyone.

We are nuclear armed and have had terrorist attacks (so are and did the French).

It doesn't deter conventional aggression either (We were nuke armed in 1982).

Nukes are a waste of money, a weapon system that you can't use.

Tell that to the Soviet union Did the Soviet union use nukes against any non nuke armed states? Did the Soviet Union having nukes prevent aggression by any other players?

Yes they did use them to prevent agrees.

Just as we did against them.

Do you think the cold war would have stayed cold if neither side had nukes?

Precisely how did either side stop aggression from anyone with threats of use of nukes? I could list all of the proxy conflicts...but one from each side from each decade?

Korea - Hungary

Vietnam - Czechoslovakia

(Still) Vietnam - Afghanistan

Grenada - (Still) Afghanistan

Which of these conflicts was prevented by possession of nuclear weaponry?

It stopped agressipn between the ussr and the West being open all our war.

Invalid then. USSR had no nukes in 1948/49 during the Berlin airlift, war could easily have broken out were that on course. The following year War broke out in Korea. The USSR sent resources to North Korea, US and China fought openly but no war spilt out beyond that theatre.

Once again, I state that Nukes do not deter aggression. If they did, Argentina would not have invaded the Falkland, for fear of a thermo Buenos Aires...

You're right the ussr did not have nukes then

The Americans did and had just made a very public showing that they were wiling to use them on cities

Now America was still fairly isolationist in its home politics and didn't really want to expand unlike the Soviet union so had no reason to declare war.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *eorgeyporgeyMan
over a year ago

Warrington

"Nukes don't deter aggression from anyone.

We are nuclear armed and have had terrorist attacks (so are and did the French).

It doesn't deter conventional aggression either (We were nuke armed in 1982).

Nukes are a waste of money, a weapon system that you can't use.

Tell that to the Soviet union Did the Soviet union use nukes against any non nuke armed states? Did the Soviet Union having nukes prevent aggression by any other players?

Yes they did use them to prevent agrees.

Just as we did against them.

Do you think the cold war would have stayed cold if neither side had nukes?

Precisely how did either side stop aggression from anyone with threats of use of nukes? I could list all of the proxy conflicts...but one from each side from each decade?

Korea - Hungary

Vietnam - Czechoslovakia

(Still) Vietnam - Afghanistan

Grenada - (Still) Afghanistan

Which of these conflicts was prevented by possession of nuclear weaponry?

It stopped agressipn between the ussr and the West being open all our war.

Once again, I state that Nukes do not deter aggression. If they did, Argentina would not have invaded the Falkland, for fear of a thermo Buenos Aires...

You're right the ussr did not have nukes then

The Americans did and had just made a very public showing that they were wiling to use them on cities

Now America was still fairly isolationist in its home politics and didn't really want to expand unlike the Soviet union so had no reason to declare war."
We are (specifically) arguing not about declarations of War, but of the deterrent effect of nuclear weapons on aggression. In that case, in both the Berlin Blockade AND the Korean War, we are not discussing the US (because A) they weren't the aggressor and B) they had nukes where no one else had them).

In both cases, the US holding Nukes DID NOT DETER AGGRESSION (Please note, I capitalise for emphasis, not to shout, please take no offense, none is intended). That Britain held WMDs DID NOT DETER AGGRESSION against it's sovereign territory.

Nuclear Weapons do not deter aggression. Having them will not stop nutters from shooting people in the streets, if it did then The attacks in Paris and France more generally, wouldn't have happened. 7/7 wouldn't have happened. 9/11 wouldn't have happened. If we want to deter this sort of attack, we need more money to be spent on and more resources devoted to our proxies in the region (a policy carried out by Britain throughout the 18th Century) and to spend more on conventional armed forces which will not happen with a nuclear vanity project.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

"What does worry me is the lack of Police now. We have reactive Policing France has an almost Paramilitary Police force and they struggled to cope.

In some areas armed Police are scarce with the ambulance service at breaking point. Can you imagine the carnage that would occur if an active shooting attack happened here?

It's very worrying.

We shouldn't kid ourselves. It's not a case of if, rather, than when...

The threat from IS is evolving all the time.

The fact they look to now have 'cells' within Europe and our lands is deeply worrying.

Expect the unexpected.

It's an extremely worrying situation, and no real solution exists to prevent it.

Ultimately they have to be destroyed with a huge international coordinated military effort, before they overwhelm us.

You can't compare the threat from IS to the threat from the IRA, 30/40 years ago. The IRA published warnings prior to their bombs.. IS, use suicide bombers, the IRA didn't..

The potential of what could escalate here, is the real worry.

This is a war between murderous fundamentalist Islam and Western civilisation, and basically anyone and anything not Muslim.

The Egypt plane crash, the attacks in Lebanon and Friday's events in Paris, all within two weeks...

You can't compare what happens in other countries to the UK

The Egypt plane crash was a result of shite security and piss poor intelligence. I'd c_edit our airports and security services with being some of the best in the world.

The attacks in Lebanon were probably a quiet week in a part of the world that brings new meaning to the phrase 'neighbour dispute'

You make valid points which I agree with (apart from your last sentence) however, you miss the point.

The very nature of the current threat that IS pose, is evolving and is unique.

Paris, marked a new style of attack in which we haven't seen before.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What does worry me is the lack of Police now. We have reactive Policing France has an almost Paramilitary Police force and they struggled to cope.

In some areas armed Police are scarce with the ambulance service at breaking point. Can you imagine the carnage that would occur if an active shooting attack happened here?

It's very worrying.

We shouldn't kid ourselves. It's not a case of if, rather, than when...

The threat from IS is evolving all the time.

The fact they look to now have 'cells' within Europe and our lands is deeply worrying.

Expect the unexpected.

It's an extremely worrying situation, and no real solution exists to prevent it.

Ultimately they have to be destroyed with a huge international coordinated military effort, before they overwhelm us.

You can't compare the threat from IS to the threat from the IRA, 30/40 years ago. The IRA published warnings prior to their bombs.. IS, use suicide bombers, the IRA didn't..

The potential of what could escalate here, is the real worry.

This is a war between murderous fundamentalist Islam and Western civilisation, and basically anyone and anything not Muslim.

The Egypt plane crash, the attacks in Lebanon and Friday's events in Paris, all within two weeks...

You can't compare what happens in other countries to the UK

The Egypt plane crash was a result of shite security and piss poor intelligence. I'd c_edit our airports and security services with being some of the best in the world.

The attacks in Lebanon were probably a quiet week in a part of the world that brings new meaning to the phrase 'neighbour dispute'

You make valid points which I agree with (apart from your last sentence) however, you miss the point.

The very nature of the current threat that IS pose, is evolving and is unique.

Paris, marked a new style of attack in which we haven't seen before.

Mumbai

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The British Police and Intelligence services have been rehearsing for this exact type of attack since Mumbai.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok you want the real truth. Ok cameron despises corbyn. Why, upsetting their plans.

Knights of malta.. UK RUSSIA FRANCE USA AND VATICAN.

Vatican are generals under the queens royal command.

Rothchild Rockefeller own banks and land so does queen. You heard of New World Order. One world government.. They been doing this for years.

Who set up the wars? Shame you dont research any evidence. Truth is there fab swingers. X"

Is this truth because it's on the Internet?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

"What does worry me is the lack of Police now. We have reactive Policing France has an almost Paramilitary Police force and they struggled to cope.

In some areas armed Police are scarce with the ambulance service at breaking point. Can you imagine the carnage that would occur if an active shooting attack happened here?

It's very worrying.

We shouldn't kid ourselves. It's not a case of if, rather, than when...

The threat from IS is evolving all the time.

The fact they look to now have 'cells' within Europe and our lands is deeply worrying.

Expect the unexpected.

It's an extremely worrying situation, and no real solution exists to prevent it.

Ultimately they have to be destroyed with a huge international coordinated military effort, before they overwhelm us.

You can't compare the threat from IS to the threat from the IRA, 30/40 years ago. The IRA published warnings prior to their bombs.. IS, use suicide bombers, the IRA didn't..

The potential of what could escalate here, is the real worry.

This is a war between murderous fundamentalist Islam and Western civilisation, and basically anyone and anything not Muslim.

The Egypt plane crash, the attacks in Lebanon and Friday's events in Paris, all within two weeks...

You can't compare what happens in other countries to the UK

The Egypt plane crash was a result of shite security and piss poor intelligence. I'd c_edit our airports and security services with being some of the best in the world.

The attacks in Lebanon were probably a quiet week in a part of the world that brings new meaning to the phrase 'neighbour dispute'

You make valid points which I agree with (apart from your last sentence) however, you miss the point.

The very nature of the current threat that IS pose, is evolving and is unique.

Paris, marked a new style of attack in which we haven't seen before.

Mumbai"

... here, in the West.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"What's the point in having them though? Nobody is going to destroy the planet and set them off.

They don't deter anything, they just feed the paranoia.

theyve been set off 2050 of them. they deter_ed ww3 havent you noticed? "

They are what kept the Cold War cold. Of course they work.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

And any nuclear deterrent is for things other than terrorism.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So we nuke them? How useful a comment was that? Mr W

I didn't say that. I said a deterrent "

As much as I'd love to see these animals wiped off this earth, sadly, they are not deter_ed by anything.

So no matter what powerful weapons we may have(easy ladies!), it won't make a difference to how they go about their "agenda".

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

"So we nuke them? How useful a comment was that? Mr W

I didn't say that. I said a deterrent

As much as I'd love to see these animals wiped off this earth, sadly, they are not deter_ed by anything.

So no matter what powerful weapons we may have(easy ladies!), it won't make a difference to how they go about their "agenda".

jihadi john'll think twice about playing with knives again.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *eorgeyporgeyMan
over a year ago

Warrington

"So we nuke them? How useful a comment was that? Mr W

I didn't say that. I said a deterrent

As much as I'd love to see these animals wiped off this earth, sadly, they are not deter_ed by anything.

So no matter what powerful weapons we may have(easy ladies!), it won't make a difference to how they go about their "agenda".

jihadi john'll think twice about playing with knives again.

"
Yes, but the thousand or so radicals that his martyrdom has inspi_ed won't think twice about playing with their AKs.

It truly is sad that we don't seem to learn from even our most recent living history....We lurch on, same foolish actions prompting the same foolish reactions.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So we nuke them? How useful a comment was that? Mr W

I didn't say that. I said a deterrent

As much as I'd love to see these animals wiped off this earth, sadly, they are not deter_ed by anything.

So no matter what powerful weapons we may have(easy ladies!), it won't make a difference to how they go about their "agenda".

jihadi john'll think twice about playing with knives again.

Yes, but the thousand or so radicals that his martyrdom has inspi_ed won't think twice about playing with their AKs.

It truly is sad that we don't seem to learn from even our most recent living history....We lurch on, same foolish actions prompting the same foolish reactions."

I agree that more should be done to tackle this "disease" that is spreading through our world. Problem is, our armies are bound by so much political _ed tape, that they appear to operate in a way that allows terrorists to function.

Look at France, announcing their jets will strike on Thursday. Well done for letting them know whats coming! Do they think isis don't have a TV?

Totally bonkers! Whatever happened to covert operations?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

Post new Message to Thread