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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Sorry Im having a rant nowhere to vent but here. My daughter is off to France with the school in Feb and her best friend now cant go because her passport has been rejected because her so called mother who abandoned her to go off with her new fella wont sign her passport have had Roxanne here in tears all day some people are utterly selfish. I am so angry but there is nothing I can do.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

why won't she sign? seems very selfish, is the other parent fom abroad, maybe she is wary of him fleeing the country ... mind ya a bit rich if she went fleeing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

court can award emergency guardianship or make her a ward of court for that sort of thing in extreme circumstances? X

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

She lives with her dad but hes useless dont get me started on him and the passport needs both signatures. Her mother is pregnant and playing happy families with her new fella and not got the time of day for her daughter she never even recieved an xmas pressie from her mum. Thing is shes a great kid.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"She lives with her dad but hes useless dont get me started on him and the passport needs both signatures. Her mother is pregnant and playing happy families with her new fella and not got the time of day for her daughter she never even recieved an xmas pressie from her mum. Thing is shes a great kid."

as the song says... 'god bless the child'.

hope her life improves xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Doesn't matter who she lives with. Who has legal custody ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cant you have a word with the teacher and try to get them to have a word with the mother in the childs best interest !

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By *mumaWoman
over a year ago

Livingston

and his is where scottish and english law differentiates. Both me and the arsewipe (term of endearment for the ex) have a passport each for shorty.

When the aw wanted to take her on holiday over christmas and new year he actually had to ask for my written permission to do so. Should he have taken her out of britain then I could have got him done for kidnapping and vice versa if I do the same

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry Im having a rant nowhere to vent but here. My daughter is off to France with the school in Feb and her best friend now cant go because her passport has been rejected because her so called mother who abandoned her to go off with her new fella wont sign her passport have had Roxanne here in tears all day some people are utterly selfish. I am so angry but there is nothing I can do."

Yes there is ! Get a passport application form from the P.O. Get her a set of photies. Fill in the form bar the sigs. Take the form to her dad and then to her mum. Hey bingo ! she has a passport.

I know you shouldn't have to .... but it sounds like someone needs your help xxxx Good luck xxxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"and his is where scottish and english law differentiates. Both me and the arsewipe (term of endearment for the ex) have a passport each for shorty.

Abduction is illegal in England too. I THINK that mum has responsibility if they were NOT wed at time of birth ..If they were wed then there is joint resp and divorce does not end the resp.

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By *mumaWoman
over a year ago

Livingston

"and his is where scottish and english law differentiates. Both me and the arsewipe (term of endearment for the ex) have a passport each for shorty.

Abduction is illegal in England too. I THINK that mum has responsibility if they were NOT wed at time of birth ..If they were wed then there is joint resp and divorce does not end the resp. "

Thank you Granny xx I was quoting from my divorced scottish point of _iew as I don't know English law, but I know up here, you cannot take a child out of Britain without secondary (m/f) written consent

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

S'okay tups ... im not sure on passports n kids.....

I know that divorced dads are still dads and never married dads aren't ... Mad innit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"S'okay tups ... im not sure on passports n kids.....

I know that divorced dads are still dads and never married dads aren't ... Mad innit. "

They are if they are put on the birth certificate, but there lies the problem...some at the time would rather not pay child support...but then later regret in later life (no inference on single dads, just my module in family law). Unfortunately although law is moving towards equal parental rights, giving birth gives women a better right/case for the child and their interests. X

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

She was put into care by her mum her dad took her out but he has no time for her. He has a girlfriend too in mancester and before she and my daughter became friends spent most weekends on her own or at her nans. But now she spends her weekends with us. I have spoken to her mum and her attitude is that its not her problem. Could have smacked her one. I know its not the same but got a family holiday booked only at butlins but she is coming with us.

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By *arambarMan
over a year ago

swindon

I'd suggest doing as Granny says and take charge of getting both parents to sign the photos, if you know where they can be found.

If the mother says she can't be arsed doing it and it's a waste of her time, then tell her you'll be back hassling her every day until she does sign it. Then shove a Bic biro in her face and tell her to just sign the frigging thing to save time on everyone's part.

As for the father, tell him that you'll tell his new girlfriend that he's been shagging you behind her back unless he signs the goddamned photo right now.

It's amazing what you can achieve if you can manage to look a bit psycho and speak very sternly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

sorry to hear this shaz xxx

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By *eppersCouple
over a year ago

telford

Sorry to hear all these problems,with your daughters friend, and you mention her grandparents mother or fathers side? could you not get them to apply for temp permanent residence and they can then apply for a passport? don't know the inns and outs but just a thought. failing that the school maybe able to to do something like talk to the parents.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yes we have a meeting with the school tomz and the grandparents are too old.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if her mothers abandoned her she is no longer her legal guardian so whoever is looking after the child can sign the pass port

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

if her mothers abandoned her she is no longer her legal guardian so whoever is looking after the child can sign the pass port"

Only if that person has been appointed as the legal guardian of the child I think you will find.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

They were married now divorced and the passport needs both signatures her dad should just grow a pair and get it signed for her they are away to france 18th Feb and have known since last May so plenty of time to sort it out the balance is paid for so they will loose out on what they paid for the trip. Which her grandparents paid for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if her mothers abandoned her she is no longer her legal guardian so whoever is looking after the child can sign the pass port

Only if that person has been appointed as the legal guardian of the child I think you will find."

not if its her dad thats bringing her up

i have split with my ex and he had nothing at all to do with the getting of my kids pass ports last year

i told them i was a single parent they put it on record and never even asked for the dads signiture as he didnt share the family home

i dont see how it can work different because its a man rasing a child than a woman hes still in the same situatian as me

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Isn't this only if the parents are divorced?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Passport office rejected the application without the mothers signature thats as much as I know thing is shes not going away with her dad but the school. Will try and work something out tomz, Will find out more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Passport office rejected the application without the mothers signature thats as much as I know thing is shes not going away with her dad but the school. Will try and work something out tomz, Will find out more."

Its nice that you care.

It seems all too common these days for parents to "abandon" their kids for their own short term satisfaction.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I got my kids passports without their dads signature as a divorced single parent.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"I got my kids passports without their dads signature as a divorced single parent. "

Which may be the problem with this couple....if they are not divorced?

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By *amschwingerzCouple
over a year ago

West

There are some truly horrible people out there..I hate seeing kids go without due to selfish parents..christ they brought em into this world...surely they would do as much as they could to ensure they are happy..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are no longer any frontier controls at the borders between 22 EU countries. This is thanks to the Schengen rules which are part of EU law. These rules remove all internal border controls but put in place effective controls at the external borders of the EU and introduce a common visa policy. All EU countries are full Schengen members except for Bulgaria, Cyprus, Ireland, Romania and the United Kingdom. You will therefore need to present a valid passport or ID card to travel to those five countries. Iceland, Norway and Switzerland are also Schengen members but are not in the EU.

When entering or leaving the EU at the external borders you will need a valid passport or an ID card.

Carry them when travelling in the EU because you may be required to prove your identity. If public order or national security so require, checks at the internal borders may be carried out for limited periods.

Make sure that any children travelling with you either have their own passport or ID card or are registered on your passport.

Agreements with Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Switzerland enable their nationals to be treated in the same way as EU citizens and to travel with just an ID card or passport in the EU.

http://europa.eu/travel/doc/index_en.htm

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By *ornyandnymphoCouple
over a year ago

poole

She will also need a European health card, which can be applied for online. Think its on the directgov website.

Really hope you can sort things out for her xx

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Who needs to sign it

The child's parent or someone with parental responsibility should sign the form.

If the parents are divorced but were:

married at the time of the child's birth (or when the mother became pregnant, for those living in Scotland)

married at any time after the child's birth

either parent can sign, unless there is a court order about parental responsibility or about the child having a passport. If there is such a court order you should send it to IPS with the application.

Note that a custody or maintenance order does not automatically take away the other parent's parental responsibility.

If the parents are not married to each other, the mother can give permission. If the father is not married to the child's mother (and is not divorced from her as described above), he can give permission only if:

he has a parental responsibility order or agreement (in which case he should send this with the application)

he is named on the birth certificate and the birth was jointly registered on or after 15 April 2002 in Northern Ireland, 1 December 2003 in England and Wales, 4 May 2006 in Scotland

If another adult is acting as parent they should send proof of their parental responsibility to IPS.

There is more information about parental responsibility in the parents section.

What is parental responsibility?

While the law does not define in detail what parental responsibility is, the following list sets out the key roles:

providing a home for the child

having contact with and living with the child

protecting and maintaining the child

disciplining the child

choosing and providing for the child's education

determining the religion of the child

agreeing to the child's medical treatment

naming the child and agreeing to any change of the child's name

accompanying the child outside the UK and agreeing to the child's emigration, should the issue arise

being responsible for the child's property

appointing a guardian for the child, if necessary

allowing confidential information about the child to be disclosed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not wanting to put ideas into peoples heads but the passport office dont ask for proof of the parents signature so if you were to think outside the box and put 2+2 together you will see that it's not an insurmountable problem.

My biggest concern at the minute would be getting the passport back on time.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"She will also need a European health card, which can be applied for online. Think its on the directgov website.

Really hope you can sort things out for her xx

Thanks I got her ehic card for her online some time ago she has everything but the bloody passport

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"Not wanting to put ideas into peoples heads but the passport office dont ask for proof of the parents signature so if you were to think outside the box and put 2+2 together you will see that it's not an insurmountable problem.

My biggest concern at the minute would be getting the passport back on time."

Until the parents complain and it becomes a very serious investigation.

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