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"I'm fick so didn't understand half of that. Lovely to see ya again though Suzy x" I'm with you in the 'fick' corner | |||
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"deep yes.. but for anyone who actually finds patterns of the mind, making them unhappy...i posted this on another thread as a comment..i wish to share as a generalized topic... you mind, tells the illusion self, that it cant exist without it, its true it cant.. the mind is a series of patterns to bolster ones reality.. it defends what it believes to be true, so you can feel stable in your very existence.. the more fixed you are.. the tighter the corner to put yourself in...when in that corner of bolstering your own reality, you have to become right...and your mind, which is a foreign installation of things learnt, backs you up, to keep you 'true' to yourself and your created reality.... you dont have a self..its an illusion...you are a consciousness, in your case finding out about 'self' importance...which is futile as you will always attract those to attempt to break up those fixed patterns, because fluidity is the nature of the universe and the only constant is change... dont change, you will find yourself at odds with the world, course thats where the victim comes in..but youll find a small group that agrees with you..thats the nature of the game...gain awareness or stay in your defended corner...doesnt matter..its just the way things actually are here..creative limitless playground.. you want to stay on the roundabout.. that is your prerogative..but thats not the truth abut who you truly are..you are not separate from anything..you are a nothing that hosts 'ideas'...sometimes those ideas make your life harder than it needs to be..they can be dissolved easily, just like that...if you know why you have them in the first place..choice is true 'personal power' and comes with freedom to be, just as you are..in that state you always are looking for the commonality around you, not for the separatist view, that is the delusional duality, in all things. with love s x" But we have lots of meets and never once felt like meeting on a roundabout . Having said that , if you fancy a watersports and cum swap session on a busy roundabout , we don't mind   | |||
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"I'm fick so didn't understand half of that. Lovely to see ya again though Suzy x" dont need to 'understand' your body knows and feels, what i am saying..the mind will resist it and tell you im crazy..i got rid of my mind along time ago...you are not thick, its a different perception from one most have only ever known...sit with it or not..freedom..most joyful thing ever...living it..is bliss..feel it..if you want...if you dont, you dont have to...xxx | |||
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"I have reset all my old mind patterns . I no longer hold on to bad thoughts. Dwell on things and let go of things and thoughts that are negative. I see all thoughts as clouds they grow then dissipate . I forgive myself now as I used to just forgive others. I am as compassionate with myself as others . "i only host thoughts..i never own them..they come and go as free as the wind xx | |||
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"deep yes.. but for anyone who actually finds patterns of the mind, making them unhappy...i posted this on another thread as a comment..i wish to share as a generalized topic... you mind, tells the illusion self, that it cant exist without it, its true it cant.. the mind is a series of patterns to bolster ones reality.. it defends what it believes to be true, so you can feel stable in your very existence.. the more fixed you are.. the tighter the corner to put yourself in...when in that corner of bolstering your own reality, you have to become right...and your mind, which is a foreign installation of things learnt, backs you up, to keep you 'true' to yourself and your created reality.... you dont have a self..its an illusion...you are a consciousness, in your case finding out about 'self' importance...which is futile as you will always attract those to attempt to break up those fixed patterns, because fluidity is the nature of the universe and the only constant is change... dont change, you will find yourself at odds with the world, course thats where the victim comes in..but youll find a small group that agrees with you..thats the nature of the game...gain awareness or stay in your defended corner...doesnt matter..its just the way things actually are here..creative limitless playground.. you want to stay on the roundabout.. that is your prerogative..but thats not the truth abut who you truly are..you are not separate from anything..you are a nothing that hosts 'ideas'...sometimes those ideas make your life harder than it needs to be..they can be dissolved easily, just like that...if you know why you have them in the first place..choice is true 'personal power' and comes with freedom to be, just as you are..in that state you always are looking for the commonality around you, not for the separatist view, that is the delusional duality, in all things. with love s x But we have lots of meets and never once felt like meeting on a roundabout . Having said that , if you fancy a watersports and cum swap session on a busy roundabout , we don't mind "been there and done that sweet..thanks for the offer though xx | |||
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"Well, I read it, then I actually read it again - and I realised it was complete and utter nonsense - apart from the bit about wanting to stay on the roundabout. I ALWAYS wanted to stay on the roundabout!" happiness is a hamster wheel for you.. excellent..never be unhappy again xx | |||
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"I'm fick so didn't understand half of that. Lovely to see ya again though Suzy x I'm with you in the 'fick' corner "Room for another? 
Sorry Suzy... you lost me at paragraph two.
It's a sticky subject for me though, personal stuff and I'm not sure I can contribute anything of any meaning. Soz x | |||
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"I'm fick so didn't understand half of that. Lovely to see ya again though Suzy x I'm with you in the 'fick' corner
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Sorry Suzy... you lost me at paragraph two.
It's a sticky subject for me though, personal stuff and I'm not sure I can contribute anything of any meaning. Soz x"you are beautiful _irtygirl and i love you muchly xx | |||
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"Well, I read it, then I actually read it again - and I realised it was complete and utter nonsense - apart from the bit about wanting to stay on the roundabout. I ALWAYS wanted to stay on the roundabout! happiness is a hamster wheel for you.. excellent..never be unhappy again xx" Yes, my happiness is almost perpetual - I'll take it! | |||
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"Suzy, I love reading your stuff. But we have a fundamentally different view of the world. By the way, have you ever read any Philosophy of the Mind? There is an argument to make (a non-religious argument, that is) that there is no such thing as choice. That freedom of choice is just an illusion. But if that's true, then what effect would that have on your theory? This is rhetorical...just something to think about. -Courtney" i am a sorcerer.. you have to know personal will, before you can drop will as a choice.. most here arent even at the personal will stage yet..im just pointing a signpost as to the next step for many..its not my fundamental belief..i dont have any, i gave them up too..however i can intend to have a choice if i want to dance in this playground..and i can play the nothing when i feel like it..from that i derive a lot of awareness.. i am the universe and the quantum and i play beyond the known veils of humanity....it dances its dance through me.. i just play with its intent from time to time..and turn it to my own..cos i know how..its all controlled folly...it only matters if you make it matter..that is the material point..excuse the pun.. | |||
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"Suzy, I love reading your stuff. But we have a fundamentally different view of the world. By the way, have you ever read any Philosophy of the Mind? There is an argument to make (a non-religious argument, that is) that there is no such thing as choice. That freedom of choice is just an illusion. But if that's true, then what effect would that have on your theory? This is rhetorical...just something to think about. -Courtney" How is choice just an illusion? Like fate? | |||
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"Suzy, I love reading your stuff. But we have a fundamentally different view of the world. By the way, have you ever read any Philosophy of the Mind? There is an argument to make (a non-religious argument, that is) that there is no such thing as choice. That freedom of choice is just an illusion. But if that's true, then what effect would that have on your theory? This is rhetorical...just something to think about. -Courtney How is choice just an illusion? Like fate?" theres two types on intent or choice..theres personal will or choice and then there is THE intent of the cosmos, which is ever existent in balance...and an individual facet of consciousness here is a apart of that.. it can only be truly played with when that individual has lost thier sense of self ad has expanded to include, group, mass and planetary consciousness.. then you can wield it as your own, by being an instrument for it..its not a personal choice thing anymore...you become what you are required to be be no more, no less..hope this explains the two types of 'will' xx | |||
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"Suzy, I love reading your stuff. But we have a fundamentally different view of the world. By the way, have you ever read any Philosophy of the Mind? There is an argument to make (a non-religious argument, that is) that there is no such thing as choice. That freedom of choice is just an illusion. But if that's true, then what effect would that have on your theory? This is rhetorical...just something to think about. -Courtney How is choice just an illusion? Like fate?" Well, its hard to explain here, which is why I began my post by asking whether Suzy had ever read any philosophy of the mind. Basically, when you make the decision to move your arm (for example), you would think you were making the choice to move your arm - that you had the free will to do so. However, there is some science to show that your body actually begins the physical process of moving your arm before you can attribute a conscious thought to the movement of your arm. Philosophers who study philosophy of the mind and who are believers in free will (as opposed to many things, including but not limited to fate) have a hard time reconciling this with free will because free will is attributed to the conscious portion of our minds.... Anyway, it can get a lot more complicated, but that is the basis of what I was referring to. It just sounds to me like choice and freedom are at the core of Suzy's beliefs and I thought it would be interesting to hear how she would handle this type of issue. -Courtney | |||
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"Suzy, I love reading your stuff. But we have a fundamentally different view of the world. By the way, have you ever read any Philosophy of the Mind? There is an argument to make (a non-religious argument, that is) that there is no such thing as choice. That freedom of choice is just an illusion. But if that's true, then what effect would that have on your theory? This is rhetorical...just something to think about. -Courtney How is choice just an illusion? Like fate? Well, its hard to explain here, which is why I began my post by asking whether Suzy had ever read any philosophy of the mind. Basically, when you make the decision to move your arm (for example), you would think you were making the choice to move your arm - that you had the free will to do so. However, there is some science to show that your body actually begins the physical process of moving your arm before you can attribute a conscious thought to the movement of your arm. Philosophers who study philosophy of the mind and who are believers in free will (as opposed to many things, including but not limited to fate) have a hard time reconciling this with free will because free will is attributed to the conscious portion of our minds.... Anyway, it can get a lot more complicated, but that is the basis of what I was referring to. It just sounds to me like choice and freedom are at the core of Suzy's beliefs and I thought it would be interesting to hear how she would handle this type of issue. -Courtney" i hope in my last post you have gleaned i have knowing, not beliefs, which are of the mind and are therefore illusionary the mind is not the consciousness aspect of potential.. experience of awareness, being something is knowing.. the mind is a small box of ideas which one has learnt as a projected experience indirectly, and as a structure they are self perpetuating...a truth but not the truth...throw away the box, theres a whole lot of possibilities out there unseen and i know you can sense that otherwise you wouldn't be reading about the probability of it's existence....the unseen worlds beyond known science are awesomely mind blowing and all equally valid as this one..xxx | |||
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"I think I understand where you're coming from Suzy. I experience vibration and energy beyond my own, I am just a molecule of the whole. Being aware of the connection and experiencing the universe is euphoria and joy, and the mind fades away into the background and is replaced by sensation. However, this feeling lasts a week or so a few times a year, and is unsustainable as it inevitably gives way to real life or to despair. I have been labelled and will soon have medication to 'deal' with it." Sounds like your body is producing hallucination inducing chemicals! Medication be damned! | |||
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"Suzy, I love reading your stuff. But we have a fundamentally different view of the world. By the way, have you ever read any Philosophy of the Mind? There is an argument to make (a non-religious argument, that is) that there is no such thing as choice. That freedom of choice is just an illusion. But if that's true, then what effect would that have on your theory? This is rhetorical...just something to think about. -Courtney How is choice just an illusion? Like fate? Well, its hard to explain here, which is why I began my post by asking whether Suzy had ever read any philosophy of the mind. Basically, when you make the decision to move your arm (for example), you would think you were making the choice to move your arm - that you had the free will to do so. However, there is some science to show that your body actually begins the physical process of moving your arm before you can attribute a conscious thought to the movement of your arm. Philosophers who study philosophy of the mind and who are believers in free will (as opposed to many things, including but not limited to fate) have a hard time reconciling this with free will because free will is attributed to the conscious portion of our minds.... Anyway, it can get a lot more complicated, but that is the basis of what I was referring to. It just sounds to me like choice and freedom are at the core of Suzy's beliefs and I thought it would be interesting to hear how she would handle this type of issue. -Courtney i hope in my last post you have gleaned i have knowing, not beliefs, which are of the mind and are therefore illusionary the mind is not the consciousness aspect of potential.. experience of awareness, being something is knowing.. the mind is a small box of ideas which one has learnt as a projected experience indirectly, and as a structure they are self perpetuating...a truth but not the truth...throw away the box, theres a whole lot of possibilities out there unseen and i know you can sense that otherwise you wouldn't be reading about the probability of it's existence....the unseen worlds beyond known science are awesomely mind blowing and all equally valid as this one..xxx" Yes, I understand what you are saying about beliefs and knowing and choice. I still disagree. By the way, are you saying you know about the "unseen worlds beyond known science?" Also, what do you think about my note earlier about free will and choice? What if science discovers that there is no free will (which I am NOT saying it has done)? What then? -Courtney | |||
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"Suzy, I love reading your stuff. But we have a fundamentally different view of the world. By the way, have you ever read any Philosophy of the Mind? There is an argument to make (a non-religious argument, that is) that there is no such thing as choice. That freedom of choice is just an illusion. But if that's true, then what effect would that have on your theory? This is rhetorical...just something to think about. -Courtney How is choice just an illusion? Like fate? Well, its hard to explain here, which is why I began my post by asking whether Suzy had ever read any philosophy of the mind. Basically, when you make the decision to move your arm (for example), you would think you were making the choice to move your arm - that you had the free will to do so. However, there is some science to show that your body actually begins the physical process of moving your arm before you can attribute a conscious thought to the movement of your arm. Philosophers who study philosophy of the mind and who are believers in free will (as opposed to many things, including but not limited to fate) have a hard time reconciling this with free will because free will is attributed to the conscious portion of our minds.... Anyway, it can get a lot more complicated, but that is the basis of what I was referring to. It just sounds to me like choice and freedom are at the core of Suzy's beliefs and I thought it would be interesting to hear how she would handle this type of issue. -Courtney i hope in my last post you have gleaned i have knowing, not beliefs, which are of the mind and are therefore illusionary the mind is not the consciousness aspect of potential.. experience of awareness, being something is knowing.. the mind is a small box of ideas which one has learnt as a projected experience indirectly, and as a structure they are self perpetuating...a truth but not the truth...throw away the box, theres a whole lot of possibilities out there unseen and i know you can sense that otherwise you wouldn't be reading about the probability of it's existence....the unseen worlds beyond known science are awesomely mind blowing and all equally valid as this one..xxx Yes, I understand what you are saying about beliefs and knowing and choice. I still disagree. By the way, are you saying you know about the "unseen worlds beyond known science?" Also, what do you think about my note earlier about free will and choice? What if science discovers that there is no free will (which I am NOT saying it has done)? What then? -Courtney " she can choose to ignore it  | |||
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"Suzy, I love reading your stuff. But we have a fundamentally different view of the world. By the way, have you ever read any Philosophy of the Mind? There is an argument to make (a non-religious argument, that is) that there is no such thing as choice. That freedom of choice is just an illusion. But if that's true, then what effect would that have on your theory? This is rhetorical...just something to think about. -Courtney How is choice just an illusion? Like fate? Well, its hard to explain here, which is why I began my post by asking whether Suzy had ever read any philosophy of the mind. Basically, when you make the decision to move your arm (for example), you would think you were making the choice to move your arm - that you had the free will to do so. However, there is some science to show that your body actually begins the physical process of moving your arm before you can attribute a conscious thought to the movement of your arm. Philosophers who study philosophy of the mind and who are believers in free will (as opposed to many things, including but not limited to fate) have a hard time reconciling this with free will because free will is attributed to the conscious portion of our minds.... Anyway, it can get a lot more complicated, but that is the basis of what I was referring to. It just sounds to me like choice and freedom are at the core of Suzy's beliefs and I thought it would be interesting to hear how she would handle this type of issue. -Courtney i hope in my last post you have gleaned i have knowing, not beliefs, which are of the mind and are therefore illusionary the mind is not the consciousness aspect of potential.. experience of awareness, being something is knowing.. the mind is a small box of ideas which one has learnt as a projected experience indirectly, and as a structure they are self perpetuating...a truth but not the truth...throw away the box, theres a whole lot of possibilities out there unseen and i know you can sense that otherwise you wouldn't be reading about the probability of it's existence....the unseen worlds beyond known science are awesomely mind blowing and all equally valid as this one..xxx Yes, I understand what you are saying about beliefs and knowing and choice. I still disagree. By the way, are you saying you know about the "unseen worlds beyond known science?" Also, what do you think about my note earlier about free will and choice? What if science discovers that there is no free will (which I am NOT saying it has done)? What then? -Courtney " ever seen a S.C.I.O quantum biofeedback machine, or read about them..ive had the fascinating experience of working with one, with clients....amazing, every thought/ emotion/ physical quality has a separate frequency...all read and brought up on a screen..everything and i mean everything about your belief structures to your mothers projected beliefs about you..very insightful as well as being extraordinarily accurate.start changing those frequencies within someone...things change...simple... yes i know worlds beyond this one..thats how i can see it other things as they are.., or walk in this one..mostly both at the same time, naturally.. playing its game but aware of my ability, that i dont have to.. energy is energy, it works in certain ways and if you go beyond that structure, there is the doorway to the infinite and if you go beyond that concept...it is what it is... | |||
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"Suzy, I love reading your stuff. But we have a fundamentally different view of the world. By the way, have you ever read any Philosophy of the Mind? There is an argument to make (a non-religious argument, that is) that there is no such thing as choice. That freedom of choice is just an illusion. But if that's true, then what effect would that have on your theory? This is rhetorical...just something to think about. -Courtney How is choice just an illusion? Like fate? Well, its hard to explain here, which is why I began my post by asking whether Suzy had ever read any philosophy of the mind. Basically, when you make the decision to move your arm (for example), you would think you were making the choice to move your arm - that you had the free will to do so. However, there is some science to show that your body actually begins the physical process of moving your arm before you can attribute a conscious thought to the movement of your arm. Philosophers who study philosophy of the mind and who are believers in free will (as opposed to many things, including but not limited to fate) have a hard time reconciling this with free will because free will is attributed to the conscious portion of our minds.... Anyway, it can get a lot more complicated, but that is the basis of what I was referring to. It just sounds to me like choice and freedom are at the core of Suzy's beliefs and I thought it would be interesting to hear how she would handle this type of issue. -Courtney i hope in my last post you have gleaned i have knowing, not beliefs, which are of the mind and are therefore illusionary the mind is not the consciousness aspect of potential.. experience of awareness, being something is knowing.. the mind is a small box of ideas which one has learnt as a projected experience indirectly, and as a structure they are self perpetuating...a truth but not the truth...throw away the box, theres a whole lot of possibilities out there unseen and i know you can sense that otherwise you wouldn't be reading about the probability of it's existence....the unseen worlds beyond known science are awesomely mind blowing and all equally valid as this one..xxx Yes, I understand what you are saying about beliefs and knowing and choice. I still disagree. By the way, are you saying you know about the "unseen worlds beyond known science?" Also, what do you think about my note earlier about free will and choice? What if science discovers that there is no free will (which I am NOT saying it has done)? What then? -Courtney ever seen a S.C.I.O quantum biofeedback machine, or read about them..ive had the fascinating experience of working with one, with clients....amazing, every thought/ emotion/ physical quality has a separate frequency...all read and brought up on a screen..everything and i mean everything about your belief structures to your mothers projected beliefs about you..very insightful as well as being extraordinarily accurate.start changing those frequencies within someone...things change...simple... yes i know worlds beyond this one..thats how i can see it other things as they are.., or walk in this one..mostly both at the same time, naturally.. playing its game but aware of my ability, that i dont have to.. energy is energy, it works in certain ways and if you go beyond that structure, there is the doorway to the infinite and if you go beyond that concept...it is what it is..." If I've learned anything from this thread (I haven't) it's that medication is a wonderful thing, but it comes with instructions that should be followed. | |||
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"Suzy, I love reading your stuff. But we have a fundamentally different view of the world. By the way, have you ever read any Philosophy of the Mind? There is an argument to make (a non-religious argument, that is) that there is no such thing as choice. That freedom of choice is just an illusion. But if that's true, then what effect would that have on your theory? This is rhetorical...just something to think about. -Courtney How is choice just an illusion? Like fate? Well, its hard to explain here, which is why I began my post by asking whether Suzy had ever read any philosophy of the mind. Basically, when you make the decision to move your arm (for example), you would think you were making the choice to move your arm - that you had the free will to do so. However, there is some science to show that your body actually begins the physical process of moving your arm before you can attribute a conscious thought to the movement of your arm. Philosophers who study philosophy of the mind and who are believers in free will (as opposed to many things, including but not limited to fate) have a hard time reconciling this with free will because free will is attributed to the conscious portion of our minds.... Anyway, it can get a lot more complicated, but that is the basis of what I was referring to. It just sounds to me like choice and freedom are at the core of Suzy's beliefs and I thought it would be interesting to hear how she would handle this type of issue. -Courtney i hope in my last post you have gleaned i have knowing, not beliefs, which are of the mind and are therefore illusionary the mind is not the consciousness aspect of potential.. experience of awareness, being something is knowing.. the mind is a small box of ideas which one has learnt as a projected experience indirectly, and as a structure they are self perpetuating...a truth but not the truth...throw away the box, theres a whole lot of possibilities out there unseen and i know you can sense that otherwise you wouldn't be reading about the probability of it's existence....the unseen worlds beyond known science are awesomely mind blowing and all equally valid as this one..xxx Yes, I understand what you are saying about beliefs and knowing and choice. I still disagree. By the way, are you saying you know about the "unseen worlds beyond known science?" Also, what do you think about my note earlier about free will and choice? What if science discovers that there is no free will (which I am NOT saying it has done)? What then? -Courtney ever seen a S.C.I.O quantum biofeedback machine, or read about them..ive had the fascinating experience of working with one, with clients....amazing, every thought/ emotion/ physical quality has a separate frequency...all read and brought up on a screen..everything and i mean everything about your belief structures to your mothers projected beliefs about you..very insightful as well as being extraordinarily accurate.start changing those frequencies within someone...things change...simple... yes i know worlds beyond this one..thats how i can see it other things as they are.., or walk in this one..mostly both at the same time, naturally.. playing its game but aware of my ability, that i dont have to.. energy is energy, it works in certain ways and if you go beyond that structure, there is the doorway to the infinite and if you go beyond that concept...it is what it is... If I've learned anything from this thread (I haven't) it's that medication is a wonderful thing, but it comes with instructions that should be followed." ive found that manners dont come with medication, if you find my perception challenging to your mind, then just say so...politely.. your reaction says a lot about you, that you felt you had to speak up, to assert your dominant rationality and therefore your reality, is a prime example of the patterns i am talking about..much love x | |||
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Room for another?
Sorry Suzy... you lost me at paragraph two.
It's a sticky subject for me though, personal stuff and I'm not sure I can contribute anything of any meaning. Soz x
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"Suzy, I love reading your stuff. But we have a fundamentally different view of the world. By the way, have you ever read any Philosophy of the Mind? There is an argument to make (a non-religious argument, that is) that there is no such thing as choice. That freedom of choice is just an illusion. But if that's true, then what effect would that have on your theory? This is rhetorical...just something to think about. -Courtney How is choice just an illusion? Like fate? Well, its hard to explain here, which is why I began my post by asking whether Suzy had ever read any philosophy of the mind. Basically, when you make the decision to move your arm (for example), you would think you were making the choice to move your arm - that you had the free will to do so. However, there is some science to show that your body actually begins the physical process of moving your arm before you can attribute a conscious thought to the movement of your arm. Philosophers who study philosophy of the mind and who are believers in free will (as opposed to many things, including but not limited to fate) have a hard time reconciling this with free will because free will is attributed to the conscious portion of our minds.... Anyway, it can get a lot more complicated, but that is the basis of what I was referring to. It just sounds to me like choice and freedom are at the core of Suzy's beliefs and I thought it would be interesting to hear how she would handle this type of issue. -Courtney i hope in my last post you have gleaned i have knowing, not beliefs, which are of the mind and are therefore illusionary the mind is not the consciousness aspect of potential.. experience of awareness, being something is knowing.. the mind is a small box of ideas which one has learnt as a projected experience indirectly, and as a structure they are self perpetuating...a truth but not the truth...throw away the box, theres a whole lot of possibilities out there unseen and i know you can sense that otherwise you wouldn't be reading about the probability of it's existence....the unseen worlds beyond known science are awesomely mind blowing and all equally valid as this one..xxx Yes, I understand what you are saying about beliefs and knowing and choice. I still disagree. By the way, are you saying you know about the "unseen worlds beyond known science?" Also, what do you think about my note earlier about free will and choice? What if science discovers that there is no free will (which I am NOT saying it has done)? What then? -Courtney ever seen a S.C.I.O quantum biofeedback machine, or read about them..ive had the fascinating experience of working with one, with clients....amazing, every thought/ emotion/ physical quality has a separate frequency...all read and brought up on a screen..everything and i mean everything about your belief structures to your mothers projected beliefs about you..very insightful as well as being extraordinarily accurate.start changing those frequencies within someone...things change...simple... yes i know worlds beyond this one..thats how i can see it other things as they are.., or walk in this one..mostly both at the same time, naturally.. playing its game but aware of my ability, that i dont have to.. energy is energy, it works in certain ways and if you go beyond that structure, there is the doorway to the infinite and if you go beyond that concept...it is what it is... If I've learned anything from this thread (I haven't) it's that medication is a wonderful thing, but it comes with instructions that should be followed. ive found that manners dont come with medication, if you find my perception challenging to your mind, then just say so...politely.. your reaction says a lot about you, that you felt you had to speak up, to assert your dominant rationality and therefore your reality, is a prime example of the patterns i am talking about..much love x What I wanted was to provoke a coherent response that made sense, like your profile does. Thank you. Finally. it all makes sense to me.. just because it doesnt to you..thats not my deal is it?..get over yourself, there is more to people on here than their vaginas and cocks...i happen to be able to include all of me on this site..because i dont pretend to be something i am not and its obvious to people who meet me, i am more than my tits. if you like power struggles, and, if you really want one, you can have one, but i wouldn't recommend it..you will end up looking stupid
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"Suzy, I love reading your stuff. But we have a fundamentally different view of the world. By the way, have you ever read any Philosophy of the Mind? There is an argument to make (a non-religious argument, that is) that there is no such thing as choice. That freedom of choice is just an illusion. But if that's true, then what effect would that have on your theory? This is rhetorical...just something to think about. -Courtney How is choice just an illusion? Like fate? Well, its hard to explain here, which is why I began my post by asking whether Suzy had ever read any philosophy of the mind. Basically, when you make the decision to move your arm (for example), you would think you were making the choice to move your arm - that you had the free will to do so. However, there is some science to show that your body actually begins the physical process of moving your arm before you can attribute a conscious thought to the movement of your arm. Philosophers who study philosophy of the mind and who are believers in free will (as opposed to many things, including but not limited to fate) have a hard time reconciling this with free will because free will is attributed to the conscious portion of our minds.... Anyway, it can get a lot more complicated, but that is the basis of what I was referring to. It just sounds to me like choice and freedom are at the core of Suzy's beliefs and I thought it would be interesting to hear how she would handle this type of issue. -Courtney i hope in my last post you have gleaned i have knowing, not beliefs, which are of the mind and are therefore illusionary the mind is not the consciousness aspect of potential.. experience of awareness, being something is knowing.. the mind is a small box of ideas which one has learnt as a projected experience indirectly, and as a structure they are self perpetuating...a truth but not the truth...throw away the box, theres a whole lot of possibilities out there unseen and i know you can sense that otherwise you wouldn't be reading about the probability of it's existence....the unseen worlds beyond known science are awesomely mind blowing and all equally valid as this one..xxx" I think science is still in its infancy as far as the human race goes, there is still so much to be learned about the mind and consciousness, not sure science will ever really fully understand it all. | |||
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"Suzy, I love reading your stuff. But we have a fundamentally different view of the world. By the way, have you ever read any Philosophy of the Mind? There is an argument to make (a non-religious argument, that is) that there is no such thing as choice. That freedom of choice is just an illusion. But if that's true, then what effect would that have on your theory? This is rhetorical...just something to think about. -Courtney How is choice just an illusion? Like fate? Well, its hard to explain here, which is why I began my post by asking whether Suzy had ever read any philosophy of the mind. Basically, when you make the decision to move your arm (for example), you would think you were making the choice to move your arm - that you had the free will to do so. However, there is some science to show that your body actually begins the physical process of moving your arm before you can attribute a conscious thought to the movement of your arm. Philosophers who study philosophy of the mind and who are believers in free will (as opposed to many things, including but not limited to fate) have a hard time reconciling this with free will because free will is attributed to the conscious portion of our minds.... Anyway, it can get a lot more complicated, but that is the basis of what I was referring to. It just sounds to me like choice and freedom are at the core of Suzy's beliefs and I thought it would be interesting to hear how she would handle this type of issue. -Courtney i hope in my last post you have gleaned i have knowing, not beliefs, which are of the mind and are therefore illusionary the mind is not the consciousness aspect of potential.. experience of awareness, being something is knowing.. the mind is a small box of ideas which one has learnt as a projected experience indirectly, and as a structure they are self perpetuating...a truth but not the truth...throw away the box, theres a whole lot of possibilities out there unseen and i know you can sense that otherwise you wouldn't be reading about the probability of it's existence....the unseen worlds beyond known science are awesomely mind blowing and all equally valid as this one..xxx I think science is still in its infancy as far as the human race goes, there is still so much to be learned about the mind and consciousness, not sure science will ever really fully understand it all. " Anything is possible | |||
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"deep yes.. but for anyone who actually finds patterns of the mind, making them unhappy...i posted this on another thread as a comment..i wish to share as a generalized topic... you mind, tells the illusion self, that it cant exist without it, its true it cant.. the mind is a series of patterns to bolster ones reality.. it defends what it believes to be true, so you can feel stable in your very existence.. the more fixed you are.. the tighter the corner to put yourself in...when in that corner of bolstering your own reality, you have to become right...and your mind, which is a foreign installation of things learnt, backs you up, to keep you 'true' to yourself and your created reality.... you dont have a self..its an illusion...you are a consciousness, in your case finding out about 'self' importance...which is futile as you will always attract those to attempt to break up those fixed patterns, because fluidity is the nature of the universe and the only constant is change... dont change, you will find yourself at odds with the world, course thats where the victim comes in..but youll find a small group that agrees with you..thats the nature of the game...gain awareness or stay in your defended corner...doesnt matter..its just the way things actually are here..creative limitless playground.. you want to stay on the roundabout.. that is your prerogative..but thats not the truth abut who you truly are..you are not separate from anything..you are a nothing that hosts 'ideas'...sometimes those ideas make your life harder than it needs to be..they can be dissolved easily, just like that...if you know why you have them in the first place..choice is true 'personal power' and comes with freedom to be, just as you are..in that state you always are looking for the commonality around you, not for the separatist view, that is the delusional duality, in all things. with love s x" Oh I'm in love with a woman . You I could talk to over breakfast | |||
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"I used to understand all of this kind of conversation. But now I can't keep up. As I understand it, the universe operates on certain frequencies, and our thoughts and feelings output certain frequencies too. The universe adjusts to match our minds frequencies. Oh christ, OK the rest of the thread has basically descended into scientology at this point. I'm going to leave the starchildren alone or I'm going to a have an aneurysm from the stupid. What about what I wrote meant "starchildren?"
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"Thought carefully about this thread.... was in this realm for a good few years, now glad to be back in the real world. Been there, done that, got the t shirt, instead of naval gazing, decided to make a choice to be of service (no, not in the sexual sense in any way, shape of form). The one thing that bothers me, to be honest, is the assumption that this descent (yes that was a deliberate choice of word) into the realms of spirituality and soul represents a point further along the journey than most of us are. is this for sure? I deliberately choose my words to be inclusive, my language to embrace rather than to alienate. I don't every feel or imply I am better than or I am further along any journey than my own. I am not a higher being, nor aspiring to be one ... I am not striving for nirvana ... I think life is what you make it and I don't believe or need to believe I am here for enlightenment. Just to live and love. Guess that is my round about way of saying kiss and fuck. But, of course, because I am an academic on an academic times two, with words at my command too, I say it in a different way. Every day I work with people who need to be reached to be saved, to live a 'normal life' .... to, who is to say people like me (and there are a lot of us) are not further along the path to enlightenment that is alluded to here?" I also decided to stop worrying about my progression to enlightenment a while ago, however, I still hold to the fundamental universe aligning to your thoughts idea as all I have to do is think positively and spread loving care. On the flip side though, I took that too far at times, and while that left people thinking well of me, I couldn't stand myself. Now I'm a more rounded individual because I can say no and not be afraid anymore | |||
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"Thought carefully about this thread.... was in this realm for a good few years, now glad to be back in the real world. Been there, done that, got the t shirt, instead of naval gazing, decided to make a choice to be of service (no, not in the sexual sense in any way, shape of form). The one thing that bothers me, to be honest, is the assumption that this descent (yes that was a deliberate choice of word) into the realms of spirituality and soul represents a point further along the journey than most of us are. is this for sure? I deliberately choose my words to be inclusive, my language to embrace rather than to alienate. I don't every feel or imply I am better than or I am further along any journey than my own. I am not a higher being, nor aspiring to be one ... I am not striving for nirvana ... I think life is what you make it and I don't believe or need to believe I am here for enlightenment. Just to live and love. Guess that is my round about way of saying kiss and fuck. But, of course, because I am an academic on an academic times two, with words at my command too, I say it in a different way. Every day I work with people who need to be reached to be saved, to live a 'normal life' .... to, who is to say people like me (and there are a lot of us) are not further along the path to enlightenment that is alluded to here?" The thing that I find endearing about spiritual growth and development, is the ability to manage life's little bumps in the road better. For someone who doesn't naturally have a positive mental attitude, I find this stuff helpful in brushing off things I find difficult and stressful. By expanding that tight corner I would normally have backed myself into, because of limiting beliefs, I can see a more positive outcome. | |||
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"I used to understand all of this kind of conversation. But now I can't keep up. As I understand it, the universe operates on certain frequencies, and our thoughts and feelings output certain frequencies too. The universe adjusts to match our minds frequencies. Oh christ, OK the rest of the thread has basically descended into scientology at this point. I'm going to leave the starchildren alone or I'm going to a have an aneurysm from the stupid. What about what I wrote meant "starchildren?"
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Same here, also, why is a difference of ideas stupid thx?"It's not a difference of ideas it's the fact in this thread every use of the word "quantum" could be replaced with magic and I most cases it would actually make the sentence make more sense. But let's take your quoted post and your "frequencies" so what are these frequencies of? We'll ignore the vast disparity in energies between your mind and the "universe" and so not deal with the issues regarding "adjustments" But what is the event were mapping here? I've got my graph I've got my time on the bottom, what is it I'm scribbling on the Y? | |||
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"I've explored myself a lot lately as I've made mistakes and there's parts of me that I don't like about myself, although there's plenty I do like. I'd say I've gone through life with a fixed mind set, I'm working hard to try and move that to a growth mind set. " Growth mind set fixed mind set discussion is different from what is outlined here. In educational Carole Dweck sense in any case. This is something different ... and something fascinating too, especially in the light of recent changes to government policy regarding testing children at all ages. And there I was coming onto the forums to relax after a thirteen hour day .... | |||
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"There is a lot in most major faiths about service to others. It's one commonality. I think the facts that the universe is connected is another way of seeing this, but its fundamentally flawed because its too self-obsessed, in my humble opinion. Yeah, great, all life is suffering (my ex was a Buddhist and I get that) but ultimately we are here for a reason (not on fabs, but that too). The enlightenment the op is talking about is over rated, I think. It's also the prerogative of the privileged. Any suffering I experience is relative .... and I have to compare it to the suffering of others. To be human is to want to do something about the suffering of others, surely?" as i am not religious in any sense or privileged and this is not based on any cultural belief system, only on working at a quantum level which happens to be cellular as well, because its based on what reality actually is, not what you 'think' reality is..that is what is class, gender or economically subjective...people work on patterns, patterns can be broken, leading to more awareness..simplez...have no patterns, have loads of awareness..its not that difficult really..xx | |||
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"I used to understand all of this kind of conversation. But now I can't keep up. As I understand it, the universe operates on certain frequencies, and our thoughts and feelings output certain frequencies too. The universe adjusts to match our minds frequencies. Oh christ, OK the rest of the thread has basically descended into scientology at this point. I'm going to leave the starchildren alone or I'm going to a have an aneurysm from the stupid. What about what I wrote meant "starchildren?"
-Courtney
Same here, also, why is a difference of ideas stupid thx?
It's not a difference of ideas it's the fact in this thread every use of the word "quantum" could be replaced with magic and I most cases it would actually make the sentence make more sense.
But let's take your quoted post and your "frequencies" so what are these frequencies of?
We'll ignore the vast disparity in energies between your mind and the "universe" and so not deal with the issues regarding "adjustments"
But what is the event were mapping here?
I've got my graph I've got my time on the bottom, what is it I'm scribbling on the Y?
"Well, quantum is the smallest point a physical entity can be, which is why I haven't used the word. Frequencies is a word picked out to represent the partial psychic nature of the mind which cannot legitimately be proven, however, I believe exists, because it explains how missing gaps in information transferrance from animals and people speaking foreign languages can be partly understood without fully understanding the modes of communication. Also an event cannot be mapped in terms of time. There are equations that negate the existence of time, but whether this is one or not cannot be proven. It is merely that a thought will eventually become reality if you hold onto it strongly enough, and try as you might to chart it, you could be charting in excess of our lifetimes for some changes. It's next to impossible to prove some of this stuff, which is why it's technically a religion, because it relies on people to somewhat negate logic, however, at the same time, it makes sense to dream about the things you want to bring into your life as it sets your mind into a problem solving mode working out how it can achieve its dreams. Conversely, this is also why people can get addicted to gambling, because their dream is to win the big prize, and they will do anything they can to do so. It's a double edged sword like any belief system, and to use it to your benefit, you have to understand that it's one of many and therefore there's a time to switch to another system when it no longer functions as we want it to | |||
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"I used to understand all of this kind of conversation. But now I can't keep up. As I understand it, the universe operates on certain frequencies, and our thoughts and feelings output certain frequencies too. The universe adjusts to match our minds frequencies. Oh christ, OK the rest of the thread has basically descended into scientology at this point. I'm going to leave the starchildren alone or I'm going to a have an aneurysm from the stupid. What about what I wrote meant "starchildren?"
-Courtney
Same here, also, why is a difference of ideas stupid thx?
It's not a difference of ideas it's the fact in this thread every use of the word "quantum" could be replaced with magic and I most cases it would actually make the sentence make more sense.
But let's take your quoted post and your "frequencies" so what are these frequencies of?
We'll ignore the vast disparity in energies between your mind and the "universe" and so not deal with the issues regarding "adjustments"
But what is the event were mapping here?
I've got my graph I've got my time on the bottom, what is it I'm scribbling on the Y?
Well, quantum is the smallest point a physical entity can be, which is why I haven't used the word.
Frequencies is a word picked out to represent the partial psychic nature of the mind which cannot legitimately be proven, however, I believe exists, because it explains how missing gaps in information transferrance from animals and people speaking foreign languages can be partly understood without fully understanding the modes of communication.
Also an event cannot be mapped in terms of time. There are equations that negate the existence of time, but whether this is one or not cannot be proven. It is merely that a thought will eventually become reality if you hold onto it strongly enough, and try as you might to chart it, you could be charting in excess of our lifetimes for some changes.
It's next to impossible to prove some of this stuff, which is why it's technically a religion, because it relies on people to somewhat negate logic, however, at the same time, it makes sense to dream about the things you want to bring into your life as it sets your mind into a problem solving mode working out how it can achieve its dreams. Conversely, this is also why people can get addicted to gambling, because their dream is to win the big prize, and they will do anything they can to do so.
It's a double edged sword like any belief system, and to use it to your benefit, you have to understand that it's one of many and therefore there's a time to switch to another system when it no longer functions as we want it to"Sweet lord :/ So basically badtardising scientific terms and shoehorn in in mathematical theory you don't understand to come up with "Physic powers" And thoughts will be made real by magic. Like I said energy disparity, your brain is a rather puny machine when it comes to energy generation yet your placing on it the ability to effect change that would require energies significantly higher than that of most stars. And I'm not even gonna start on "humans must be telepathic cause we can kinda communicate with people who don't speak the same language" | |||
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"I used to understand all of this kind of conversation. But now I can't keep up. As I understand it, the universe operates on certain frequencies, and our thoughts and feelings output certain frequencies too. The universe adjusts to match our minds frequencies. Oh christ, OK the rest of the thread has basically descended into scientology at this point. I'm going to leave the starchildren alone or I'm going to a have an aneurysm from the stupid. What about what I wrote meant "starchildren?"
-Courtney
Same here, also, why is a difference of ideas stupid thx?
It's not a difference of ideas it's the fact in this thread every use of the word "quantum" could be replaced with magic and I most cases it would actually make the sentence make more sense.
But let's take your quoted post and your "frequencies" so what are these frequencies of?
We'll ignore the vast disparity in energies between your mind and the "universe" and so not deal with the issues regarding "adjustments"
But what is the event were mapping here?
I've got my graph I've got my time on the bottom, what is it I'm scribbling on the Y?
Well, quantum is the smallest point a physical entity can be, which is why I haven't used the word.
Frequencies is a word picked out to represent the partial psychic nature of the mind which cannot legitimately be proven, however, I believe exists, because it explains how missing gaps in information transferrance from animals and people speaking foreign languages can be partly understood without fully understanding the modes of communication.
Also an event cannot be mapped in terms of time. There are equations that negate the existence of time, but whether this is one or not cannot be proven. It is merely that a thought will eventually become reality if you hold onto it strongly enough, and try as you might to chart it, you could be charting in excess of our lifetimes for some changes.
It's next to impossible to prove some of this stuff, which is why it's technically a religion, because it relies on people to somewhat negate logic, however, at the same time, it makes sense to dream about the things you want to bring into your life as it sets your mind into a problem solving mode working out how it can achieve its dreams. Conversely, this is also why people can get addicted to gambling, because their dream is to win the big prize, and they will do anything they can to do so.
It's a double edged sword like any belief system, and to use it to your benefit, you have to understand that it's one of many and therefore there's a time to switch to another system when it no longer functions as we want it to
Sweet lord :/
So basically badtardising scientific terms and shoehorn in in mathematical theory you don't understand to come up with
"Physic powers"
And thoughts will be made real by magic. Like I said energy disparity, your brain is a rather puny machine when it comes to energy generation yet your placing on it the ability to effect change that would require energies significantly higher than that of most stars.
And I'm not even gonna start on "humans must be telepathic cause we can kinda communicate with people who don't speak the same language"
"OK, first off, I am not puny because I have a difference of opinion to you. Second of all, I don't need your approval to think the way I do. Third of all, you slate me yet mistake psychic for physic. Fourth point, I never said it was a magical way of making fairy tales and pixie dust a reality, if you want that, watch 1940s Disney, I'm talking about mindsets attracting things of similar potential to itself using elements of the mind that people laugh at and shun purely because they don't understand it. If you know everything about how the mind and the universe work, then I will accept your comments as being scientific, but until then, they're opinions and it is unfair of you to deride my opinions purely because you think they're unscientific, because while my opinions are unscientific, there's just as much evidence of their existence as there is yours | |||
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"deep yes.. but for anyone who actually finds patterns of the mind, making them unhappy...i posted this on another thread as a comment..i wish to share as a generalized topic... you mind, tells the illusion self, that it cant exist without it, its true it cant.. the mind is a series of patterns to bolster ones reality.. it defends what it believes to be true, so you can feel stable in your very existence.. the more fixed you are.. the tighter the corner to put yourself in...when in that corner of bolstering your own reality, you have to become right...and your mind, which is a foreign installation of things learnt, backs you up, to keep you 'true' to yourself and your created reality.... you dont have a self..its an illusion...you are a consciousness, in your case finding out about 'self' importance...which is futile as you will always attract those to attempt to break up those fixed patterns, because fluidity is the nature of the universe and the only constant is change... dont change, you will find yourself at odds with the world, course thats where the victim comes in..but youll find a small group that agrees with you..thats the nature of the game...gain awareness or stay in your defended corner...doesnt matter..its just the way things actually are here..creative limitless playground.. you want to stay on the roundabout.. that is your prerogative..but thats not the truth abut who you truly are..you are not separate from anything..you are a nothing that hosts 'ideas'...sometimes those ideas make your life harder than it needs to be..they can be dissolved easily, just like that...if you know why you have them in the first place..choice is true 'personal power' and comes with freedom to be, just as you are..in that state you always are looking for the commonality around you, not for the separatist view, that is the delusional duality, in all things. with love s x" Well that was nine seconds of my life I won't get back. Verbal diarrhoea. Complete and utter bollocks.  | |||
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" Just be careful you don't open it so far your brain falls out. What like the OP? " I don't know why you and thx feel it's OK to lay into people for having different belief systems. We're in the 21st century, not the 12th. Surely society is supposed to be more accommodating of people regardless of whether we believe what they believe. Maybe you two should have a good think about what makes your beliefs so much better than ours if yours allows you to attack people in such a fashion when ours allows us to respect that you have a different idea of how the universe works | |||
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"Think what you like mate I couldn't give a wank. By the same token though am I not allowed to disagree with a woman without people thinking I'm some kind of wife beating misogynistic wench murderer? " At no point did I say you were not entitled to your own ideas, nor did I put yours down like you did mine and ops. If you have a guilt complex, keep it to yourself. It's not my problem | |||
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"The world is flat sayeth the people. What craziness is this to purport the world is round? " I find the aggressive posts in here very interesting. 'What a load of bollox'. 'You're an idiot for believing that' 'I've just wasted my time reading this drivel' speaks volumes of the closed mind, ego driven, I'm right you all are wrong brigade. Maybe what is being discussed in here is rubbish and will be proved as such by science in years to come, but why do some people get so agitated about differing views? Why do you have to put others down, just because you have such a strong need to be right? | |||
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"The world is flat sayeth the people. What craziness is this to purport the world is round? I find the aggressive posts in here very interesting. 'What a load of bollox'. 'You're an idiot for believing that' 'I've just wasted my time reading this drivel' speaks volumes of the closed mind, ego driven, I'm right you all are wrong brigade. Maybe what is being discussed in here is rubbish and will be proved as such by science in years to come, but why do some people get so agitated about differing views? Why do you have to put others down, just because you have such a strong need to be right?" Sorry but wanting testable evidence not "magic" and undetectable, unprovable, Unverifiable, Unexplainable and lacking any theoretical or mathematical basis is not close minded. It's open minded with an aproach to test and verify. Just accepting nonsense without proof is close minded. There eis nothing in this thread that will be proved or disproved by science because it is untestable and so outside the scope of science it is the tell of religion. What annoys me is the coopting of since to prove a false sense of validity to the claims especially where snake oil is being sold to the sick and desperate as a cure. I suggest while you're there with your open mind you read up on a man called Dr mathais raith and his wonderful cure for aids he sold for years to the desperate while using bogus science eto back up his claims. Then you will understand why people are annoyed | |||
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"What strikes me is that the OP and others on this thread have been more eloquent in defending the original post, than the original post itself. I wanted to understand what it is you were saying and I read it several times, but the prose in your OP was written in such a way as to be almost unintelligible (maybe that's my failing) and written IMO to give an impression of superior intellect and a window into a fantasy world that perhaps gets you through a troubled life. Many of us are happy to exist in a day to day world with beliefs that satisfy us both physically and at a spiritual level. If your beliefs help you get through any given day and they don't adversely impact your life - then good for you." | |||
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"The world is flat sayeth the people. What craziness is this to purport the world is round? I find the aggressive posts in here very interesting. 'What a load of bollox'. 'You're an idiot for believing that' 'I've just wasted my time reading this drivel' speaks volumes of the closed mind, ego driven, I'm right you all are wrong brigade. Maybe what is being discussed in here is rubbish and will be proved as such by science in years to come, but why do some people get so agitated about differing views? Why do you have to put others down, just because you have such a strong need to be right? Sorry but wanting testable evidence not "magic" and undetectable, unprovable, Unverifiable, Unexplainable and lacking any theoretical or mathematical basis is not close minded. It's open minded with an aproach to test and verify. Just accepting nonsense without proof is close minded. There eis nothing in this thread that will be proved or disproved by science because it is untestable and so outside the scope of science it is the tell of religion. What annoys me is the coopting of since to prove a false sense of validity to the claims especially where snake oil is being sold to the sick and desperate as a cure. I suggest while you're there with your open mind you read up on a man called Dr mathais raith and his wonderful cure for aids he sold for years to the desperate while using bogus science eto back up his claims. Then you will understand why people are annoyed" I actually entirely agree with you. 100% But, just a question, aren't there nice ways of debating without being condescending? -Courtney | |||
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"The world is flat sayeth the people. What craziness is this to purport the world is round? I find the aggressive posts in here very interesting. 'What a load of bollox'. 'You're an idiot for believing that' 'I've just wasted my time reading this drivel' speaks volumes of the closed mind, ego driven, I'm right you all are wrong brigade. Maybe what is being discussed in here is rubbish and will be proved as such by science in years to come, but why do some people get so agitated about differing views? Why do you have to put others down, just because you have such a strong need to be right? Sorry but wanting testable evidence not "magic" and undetectable, unprovable, Unverifiable, Unexplainable and lacking any theoretical or mathematical basis is not close minded. It's open minded with an aproach to test and verify. Just accepting nonsense without proof is close minded. There eis nothing in this thread that will be proved or disproved by science because it is untestable and so outside the scope of science it is the tell of religion. What annoys me is the coopting of since to prove a false sense of validity to the claims especially where snake oil is being sold to the sick and desperate as a cure. I suggest while you're there with your open mind you read up on a man called Dr mathais raith and his wonderful cure for aids he sold for years to the desperate while using bogus science eto back up his claims. Then you will understand why people are annoyed I actually entirely agree with you. 100% But, just a question, aren't there nice ways of debating without being condescending? -Courtney" Probably but I'm an asshole | |||
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"The world is flat sayeth the people. What craziness is this to purport the world is round? I find the aggressive posts in here very interesting. 'What a load of bollox'. 'You're an idiot for believing that' 'I've just wasted my time reading this drivel' speaks volumes of the closed mind, ego driven, I'm right you all are wrong brigade. Maybe what is being discussed in here is rubbish and will be proved as such by science in years to come, but why do some people get so agitated about differing views? Why do you have to put others down, just because you have such a strong need to be right? Sorry but wanting testable evidence not "magic" and undetectable, unprovable, Unverifiable, Unexplainable and lacking any theoretical or mathematical basis is not close minded. It's open minded with an aproach to test and verify. Just accepting nonsense without proof is close minded. There eis nothing in this thread that will be proved or disproved by science because it is untestable and so outside the scope of science it is the tell of religion. What annoys me is the coopting of since to prove a false sense of validity to the claims especially where snake oil is being sold to the sick and desperate as a cure. I suggest while you're there with your open mind you read up on a man called Dr mathais raith and his wonderful cure for aids he sold for years to the desperate while using bogus science eto back up his claims. Then you will understand why people are annoyed I actually entirely agree with you. 100% But, just a question, aren't there nice ways of debating without being condescending? -Courtney Probably but I'm an asshole " Fair enough | |||
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"What strikes me is that the OP and others on this thread have been more eloquent in defending the original post, than the original post itself. I wanted to understand what it is you were saying and I read it several times, but the prose in your OP was written in such a way as to be almost unintelligible (maybe that's my failing) and written IMO to give an impression of superior intellect and a window into a fantasy world that perhaps gets you through a troubled life. Many of us are happy to exist in a day to day world with beliefs that satisfy us both physically and at a spiritual level. If your beliefs help you get through any given day and they don't adversely impact your life - then good for you." Well said, and I was at pains to make my disagreement with the original post in less 'eloquent' terms (ie so people are ot alienated and there is a true discussion). I for one don't think a superior intellect is evidenced by eloquent language, indeed, being able to alter your diction and language depending on where you are and who you are with is far more a sign of intellect. On both side, there are people who want to prove, maybe because they are trying to convince themselves more than anyone else, that they are right. There are snobs, inverted snobs and those of us who put our money where our mouth is. I like a debate, but find overly pretentious and meaningless language as alienating as someone calling a woman 'love' ... well, actually not quite. I don't like being dismissively called 'love' and take an exception to anyone who does that or who tells me they have reached a more enlightened state than I have. Are you sure? | |||
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"What strikes me is that the OP and others on this thread have been more eloquent in defending the original post, than the original post itself. I wanted to understand what it is you were saying and I read it several times, but the prose in your OP was written in such a way as to be almost unintelligible (maybe that's my failing) and written IMO to give an impression of superior intellect and a window into a fantasy world that perhaps gets you through a troubled life. Many of us are happy to exist in a day to day world with beliefs that satisfy us both physically and at a spiritual level. If your beliefs help you get through any given day and they don't adversely impact your life - then good for you. Well said, and I was at pains to make my disagreement with the original post in less 'eloquent' terms (ie so people are ot alienated and there is a true discussion). I for one don't think a superior intellect is evidenced by eloquent language, indeed, being able to alter your diction and language depending on where you are and who you are with is far more a sign of intellect. On both side, there are people who want to prove, maybe because they are trying to convince themselves more than anyone else, that they are right. There are snobs, inverted snobs and those of us who put our money where our mouth is. I like a debate, but find overly pretentious and meaningless language as alienating as someone calling a woman 'love' ... well, actually not quite. I don't like being dismissively called 'love' and take an exception to anyone who does that or who tells me they have reached a more enlightened state than I have. Are you sure?" As I understand what you say, big words don't mean enlightenment. However, just because someone calls you love, doesn't mean they're not enlightened. Is this correct? On the subject of enlightenment. I used to do all sorts to achieve enlightenment. Then I uncovered Maslow's hierarchy of needs around the same time as studying Buddhism. I came to understand Maslow's hierarchy as fulfillment, and I realised that throughout the years, I'd mistaken the fulfillment and enlightenment. Now I have a different understanding, I can move forward, and be more accepting of my responsibilities to society and to myself. | |||
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"What strikes me is that the OP and others on this thread have been more eloquent in defending the original post, than the original post itself. I wanted to understand what it is you were saying and I read it several times, but the prose in your OP was written in such a way as to be almost unintelligible (maybe that's my failing) and written IMO to give an impression of superior intellect and a window into a fantasy world that perhaps gets you through a troubled life. Many of us are happy to exist in a day to day world with beliefs that satisfy us both physically and at a spiritual level. If your beliefs help you get through any given day and they don't adversely impact your life - then good for you. Well said, and I was at pains to make my disagreement with the original post in less 'eloquent' terms (ie so people are ot alienated and there is a true discussion). I for one don't think a superior intellect is evidenced by eloquent language, indeed, being able to alter your diction and language depending on where you are and who you are with is far more a sign of intellect. On both side, there are people who want to prove, maybe because they are trying to convince themselves more than anyone else, that they are right. There are snobs, inverted snobs and those of us who put our money where our mouth is. I like a debate, but find overly pretentious and meaningless language as alienating as someone calling a woman 'love' ... well, actually not quite. I don't like being dismissively called 'love' and take an exception to anyone who does that or who tells me they have reached a more enlightened state than I have. Are you sure? As I understand what you say, big words don't mean enlightenment. However, just because someone calls you love, doesn't mean they're not enlightened. Is this correct? On the subject of enlightenment. I used to do all sorts to achieve enlightenment. Then I uncovered Maslow's hierarchy of needs around the same time as studying Buddhism. I came to understand Maslow's hierarchy as fulfillment, and I realised that throughout the years, I'd mistaken the fulfillment and enlightenment. Now I have a different understanding, I can move forward, and be more accepting of my responsibilities to society and to myself. " I would assume anyone who called me 'love' in the tone it was used is far from enlightened. I would also assume that anyone who used big words to try to impress is also far from enlightened. (Does that mean it's only me who has reached this higher level?) I think lots of people have come across lots of things that help them get to where they are ... but I also agree with your conclusion - its where we are in relation to society, we don't exist in a vacuum, both in terms of how we interact and who and what we interact with. Its true that all experiences, on a number of levels influence us, but ultimately we also have a power to be a small pebble flicked into a large pond ... and make ripples. | |||
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"Suzy, I love reading your stuff. But we have a fundamentally different view of the world. By the way, have you ever read any Philosophy of the Mind? There is an argument to make (a non-religious argument, that is) that there is no such thing as choice. That freedom of choice is just an illusion. But if that's true, then what effect would that have on your theory? This is rhetorical...just something to think about. -Courtney" freedom of choice is an illusion on a higher level of fractality.... in the material, physical world however,the choices you make effect the route to the 'fate' you are destined to have. meaning choice can have an effect on the experiences you have, but essentially whichever route you pick... you arrive at the same destination. | |||
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" On the subject of enlightenment. I used to do all sorts to achieve enlightenment. Then I uncovered Maslow's hierarchy of needs around the same time as studying Buddhism. I came to understand Maslow's hierarchy as fulfillment, and I realised that throughout the years, I'd mistaken the fulfillment and enlightenment. Now I have a different understanding, I can move forward, and be more accepting of my responsibilities to society and to myself. I would assume anyone who called me 'love' in the tone it was used is far from enlightened. I would also assume that anyone who used big words to try to impress is also far from enlightened. (Does that mean it's only me who has reached this higher level?) I think lots of people have come across lots of things that help them get to where they are ... but I also agree with your conclusion - its where we are in relation to society, we don't exist in a vacuum, both in terms of how we interact and who and what we interact with. Its true that all experiences, on a number of levels influence us, but ultimately we also have a power to be a small pebble flicked into a large pond ... and make ripples." Yes, I now kinda have a condescending voice repeating love in my head on a loop now. I like the pebble in a pond metaphor. It's pretty and a good visual representation
However, I don't think enlightenment allows people to place themselves on the scale, or if it does, they certainly don't care about it. I use the matrix reloaded as an example because it uses characters to represent programs with specific functions. Our role in the program of life is to carry out specific functions, whether that be a beggar on a street, a bunny in Playboy mansion, or someone saying love in a condescending voice, and while a lot of people claim that there are God's giving the functions, that may be true, there is no evidence here nor there, some people claim we choose our destinies, which is a more satisfying feeling, coming around to, Maslow's hierarchy of needs, of which each one is a key component of enlightenment.
So enlightenment could just be, playing our part in society one way or another, no matter how smart our words, or obnoxious our behaviour.
In which case, there is no enlightenment
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"Suzy, I love reading your stuff. But we have a fundamentally different view of the world. By the way, have you ever read any Philosophy of the Mind? There is an argument to make (a non-religious argument, that is) that there is no such thing as choice. That freedom of choice is just an illusion. But if that's true, then what effect would that have on your theory? This is rhetorical...just something to think about. -Courtney freedom of choice is an illusion on a higher level of fractality.... in the material, physical world however,the choices you make effect the route to the 'fate' you are destined to have. meaning choice can have an effect on the experiences you have, but essentially whichever route you pick... you arrive at the same destination. "See this is when it's just silly people trying to use big words to make some psudeo scientific point. The fractal comment is particularly amusing to anyone who knows their properties | |||
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"Suzy, I love reading your stuff. But we have a fundamentally different view of the world. By the way, have you ever read any Philosophy of the Mind? There is an argument to make (a non-religious argument, that is) that there is no such thing as choice. That freedom of choice is just an illusion. But if that's true, then what effect would that have on your theory? This is rhetorical...just something to think about. -Courtney freedom of choice is an illusion on a higher level of fractality.... in the material, physical world however,the choices you make effect the route to the 'fate' you are destined to have. meaning choice can have an effect on the experiences you have, but essentially whichever route you pick... you arrive at the same destination.
See this is when it's just silly people trying to use big words to make some psudeo scientific point.
The fractal comment is particularly amusing to anyone who knows their properties "Isn't fractal a repetition of similar shapes? | |||
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