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By *oodmess OP   Man
over a year ago

yumsville

The steady stream of bad news from Volkswagen in the last six weeks has stunned some commentators.

*** a London-based analyst with Evercore ISI, told Bloomberg:

“VW is leaving us all speechless”.

Bloomberg also has some information about the cars whose CO2 emissions are now being questioned:

Volkswagen’s Polo, Golf and Passat models are affected as well as the subcompact A1 and the A3 hatchback at the Audi premium brand, a Volkswagen spokesman said by phone.

The affected models at other brands include the Skoda Octavia, the Seat Ibiza and the Seat Leon.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2015/nov/04/volkswagen-vw-crisis-petrol-shares-hit-co2-warning-business-live

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

The Beetle is also affected.

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By *oodmess OP   Man
over a year ago

yumsville

What the above article was discussing was the fudging of the CO2 emissions tets / data / results in the above models. In the countries where CO2 has an equivalent tax band - it could well cause issues, but it has only just raised it's head and is being investigated.

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By *oodmess OP   Man
over a year ago

yumsville


"The Beetle is also affected. "

oh have been trying to see if anything like this came out - didn't see the Beetle mentioned.. I am not surprised their petrol engines weren't tampered with though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally I think there all "at it".

If you genuinely want to keep c02 low, there's 3 best options.

Buy an electric car and make sure you buy your electric through a green provider!

Keep your old car, that's really simple, just keep getting it fixed, or learn ti fix it yourself like I did, it works out much cheaper in the end anyhow and saves monumental c02 on the new one being built!

Walk or cycle wherever it's possible, it saves you even more money and will keep you fitter and slimmer in the process!

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By *oodmess OP   Man
over a year ago

yumsville

I was expecting it moving to the petrol engines - but it is disgusting that a car that you bought with the intention of paying £140 road tax on will probably now get the tax band of £200+

It's quite a difference annually and that's not even considering re-sale or trade in devaluation.

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"The Beetle is also affected.

oh have been trying to see if anything like this came out - didn't see the Beetle mentioned.. I am not surprised their petrol engines weren't tampered with though "

Mine is diesel. They sent me a letter to say they'll let me know when he's to go back.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've a 2litre Tiguan which also has the affected software.

It's leased so the onus is on vw to correct their car. However the government has said there will be no increase in road tax due to the scandal.

I'm hoping it gives me leverage for an early exit from the lease agreement!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was expecting it moving to the petrol engines - but it is disgusting that a car that you bought with the intention of paying £140 road tax on will probably now get the tax band of £200+

It's quite a difference annually and that's not even considering re-sale or trade in devaluation."
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Petrol engines are a different beast to a modern turbo diesel!

There's numerous reasons why it's the diesels but it basically boils down to the diesels ability to produce very high mpg but with a high output of emissions c02 and n0x...

So they've fiddled the emissions and sold them as "greener"

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By *lpha-and-FoxtrotCouple
over a year ago

Kettering


"Personally I think there all "at it".

If you genuinely want to keep c02 low, there's 3 best options.

Buy an electric car and make sure you buy your electric through a green provider!

Keep your old car, that's really simple, just keep getting it fixed, or learn ti fix it yourself like I did, it works out much cheaper in the end anyhow and saves monumental c02 on the new one being built!

Walk or cycle wherever it's possible, it saves you even more money and will keep you fitter and slimmer in the process!"

While electric cars may not produce any co2 whilst driving they still aren't totally co2 free. The electricity to charge them does as does building them. I do think it's ironic that America are causing such a fuss with their claims about "the emissions killing people" given the number of people killed by guns there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Personally I think there all "at it".

If you genuinely want to keep c02 low, there's 3 best options.

Buy an electric car and make sure you buy your electric through a green provider!

Keep your old car, that's really simple, just keep getting it fixed, or learn ti fix it yourself like I did, it works out much cheaper in the end anyhow and saves monumental c02 on the new one being built!

Walk or cycle wherever it's possible, it saves you even more money and will keep you fitter and slimmer in the process!

While electric cars may not produce any co2 whilst driving they still aren't totally co2 free. The electricity to charge them does as does building them. I do think it's ironic that America are causing such a fuss with their claims about "the emissions killing people" given the number of people killed by guns there."
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That's why I wrote there's "best options"...

However the most recent study by mit university on air pollution concluded that over 200,000 people die prematurely from the effects in the US....

Bearing in mind there's only 12,000 gun deaths, I'd say it was the other way round and that there's far more made of smaller deaths from guns than from the 200,000 deaths from industrial air pollutions

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

DO U THINK VW are the only company doing this.....just they caught.we should make all the people with low emission tax pay us all back.....plus I can see another phone call each night....do u own a vw we could claim compo for u

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"DO U THINK VW are the only company doing this.....just they caught.we should make all the people with low emission tax pay us all back.....plus I can see another phone call each night....do u own a vw we could claim compo for u"
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Absolutely... They've sold an item that doesn't do what they claimed and what's more they've done it fraudulently!.

I also think that they should pay back taxs on everybody's road licence

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hope all the twats that buy these boring German saloons are feeling a bit less smug.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The best way is keep your old car keep getting it fixed .

Change the oil , filters and spark plugs if petrol every year

Use secondhand parts when it goes wrong . Ask people's advice m when it does go wrong before it goes in a garage ,

New cars look good, and smell nice , but lose so much money

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"I've a 2litre Tiguan which also has the affected software.

It's leased so the onus is on vw to correct their car. However the government has said there will be no increase in road tax due to the scandal.

I'm hoping it gives me leverage for an early exit from the lease agreement!"

Unlikely

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By *oodmess OP   Man
over a year ago

yumsville


"I was expecting it moving to the petrol engines - but it is disgusting that a car that you bought with the intention of paying £140 road tax on will probably now get the tax band of £200+

It's quite a difference annually and that's not even considering re-sale or trade in devaluation..

Petrol engines are a different beast to a modern turbo diesel!

There's numerous reasons why it's the diesels but it basically boils down to the diesels ability to produce very high mpg but with a high output of emissions c02 and n0x...

So they've fiddled the emissions and sold them as "greener""

eveybody is aware of the nox scandal .. this is the recent report on the co2 specifically with the petrol engines

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You would have thought that if everybody else could make their cars pass the emissions tests without cheating that VW would have just gone and bought a competitors car, taken it to pieces and found out how the competitor had made it green. Hmmm, or maybe they are all cheating? Just that VW have been caught because the Americans were pissed at loosing market share in the US to VW that something had to be found to slow VW's sales in the US. And cheating emissions tests isn't new, Honda and Ford were both fined in 1997 in the US for cheating the tests.

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london

If any green is ditching his Porche Carrera in disgust i might be interested...

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