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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

This time for not answering company phone!

Oh and taking a phone charger from another vehicle due to the one I was driving on Sunday not having one in it!

Think I will hand keys back to pathetic boss tomorrow, wait for them to sack me or shall I tell them to shove it where the sun don't shine?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Secure another job before quitting.

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By *eanut Butter CupWoman
over a year ago

B & M Bargains

I think.. Maybe be more professional than to discuss work in such a way on a swingers forum

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Don't quit as you won't be entitled to any forms of benefits as you made yourself intentionally unemployed

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Can walk straight into another job so mo problem there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"Can walk straight into another job so mo problem there. "

Don't be so sure on that one, met many a person who claimed that only to find that they were mistaken

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"Can walk straight into another job so mo problem there. "

So why don't you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No point posting what I just said

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By *aneandpaulCouple
over a year ago

cleveleys

There,s always one

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Freelance coach driver... have got several people want me to work for them

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"Freelance coach driver... have got several people want me to work for them "
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Well go and work for them then...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sounds like they are trying to get rid of you, start looking

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Can walk straight into another job so mo problem there.

So why don't you?"

Was quite happy in this company until a few weeks ago.

They don't like the fact I now own my own minibus.

They are trying to find ways of getting rid of me...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would be better to leave on good terms for references etc, don't want to get a bad reputation

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Starting my own business in a few months, just may need to do it a little quicker than I wanted to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I never see the point of whinging and moaning and threatening to leave jobs

If you don't like it then work elsewhere

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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago

Catthorpe

Even so, as another poster said, secure a position and make sure it's what you expect, then do as you please. Once the bridges have been burnt there's no going back. Good luck.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Can walk straight into another job so mo problem there.

So why don't you?

Was quite happy in this company until a few weeks ago.

They don't like the fact I now own my own minibus.

They are trying to find ways of getting rid of me..."

Seems like it's working .....

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

They don't like the fact that I am going to price jobs cheaper than them!

Haha.... already got 3 customers from them, just can't use my minibus just yet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They don't like the fact that I am going to price jobs cheaper than them!

Haha.... already got 3 customers from them, just can't use my minibus just yet."

You're sounding really immature now

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"They don't like the fact that I am going to price jobs cheaper than them!

Haha.... already got 3 customers from them, just can't use my minibus just yet."

You are undercutting them if I was them I'd be fucking pissed off you are abusing your position of employment...more fool you..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They don't like the fact that I am going to price jobs cheaper than them!

Haha.... already got 3 customers from them, just can't use my minibus just yet.

You are undercutting them if I was them I'd be fucking pissed off you are abusing your position of employment...more fool you.."

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"They don't like the fact that I am going to price jobs cheaper than them!

Haha.... already got 3 customers from them, just can't use my minibus just yet.

You're sounding really immature now"

Immature? Really?

They have personally said they are not happy with me owning my own vehicle!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sounds like they are trying to get rid of you, start looking"

More like it sounds as if the OP is trying to get rid of himself

Doesn't sound like a very professional attitude to have

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"They don't like the fact that I am going to price jobs cheaper than them!

Haha.... already got 3 customers from them, just can't use my minibus just yet.

You are undercutting them if I was them I'd be fucking pissed off you are abusing your position of employment...more fool you.."

Not undercutting them at all, a customer who I took to the company wants to stay wherever I go, and as I can do it cheaper I will do!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They don't like the fact that I am going to price jobs cheaper than them!

Haha.... already got 3 customers from them, just can't use my minibus just yet.

You're sounding really immature now

Immature? Really?

They have personally said they are not happy with me owning my own vehicle!

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Yes really

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Guess this thread proves that you're not for everyone. (Love you or hate you?)

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

A wise man once told me never bite off the hand of those that feeds you..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Your employers are basically paying you to steal their customers. I think I would be pissed off too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You know the scenario better than any of us - but when it comes to work, I try never burn bridges .

References is one thing, but you know people move on etc. so if things don't work out longer term, going solo - or your minibus gets cricked - you might go back looking for work there.

So leave on good terms, don't give it the big time Charlie routine. Might come back + bite you on the arse

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

I got the sack once, well I didn't know it was carnival day when I turned up at the local park and they were looking for volunteers in a race

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By *he Ring WraithMan
over a year ago

Bradford


"I got the sack once, well I didn't know it was carnival day when I turned up at the local park and they were looking for volunteers in a race "

I must be getting slow, I had to read that three times before the penny dropped !

Nice one !

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By *ngeluk69Woman
over a year ago

Near enough

I can totally see why they might not be happy...you're taking their customers whilst being paid by them, rather underhand. I'd walk away now while they might still give you a reference

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Can't see how you all think I am taking THEIR customers.

People call for a quote, it's not like I am giving their customers my business cards.

The group I took to them only want me as a driver, if I leave then the group will leave too.

Simple fact of a boss not happy with my starting my own business, and trying to find petty ways of getting rid of me.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"Can't see how you all think I am taking THEIR customers.

People call for a quote, it's not like I am giving their customers my business cards.

The group I took to them only want me as a driver, if I leave then the group will leave too.

Simple fact of a boss not happy with my starting my own business, and trying to find petty ways of getting rid of me.

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You are taking their customers while working for them which is wrong and pretty selfish if you ask me..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You are taking their customers while working for them which is wrong and pretty selfish if you ask me.."

It's quite often the way of the business world though - clients want to work with people they can trust to get what they want done, and the name of company they pay is irrelevant.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

What part of my post do you not understand?

They are my customers and only want me as their driver.

They have followed me through 2 other companies, loyal to me.

This is NOT stealing custom from my boss, it is the customer following me.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I should imagine a lot of time would be spent in marketing and advertising, web page and collecting money etc apart from the straightforward part of driving - so if you're starting your own business, have you got that side sorted? It can take time....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why not go with dignity and class and leave on better terms?

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By *mnipotent_BehemothMan
over a year ago

near Merry Hill shopping centre

If your looking to poach their work, why bother find an excuse to get rid of you, it's breach of contract and gross misconduct and if you had works for me when I was a traffic manager you wound have been out weeks ago.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"I think.. Maybe be more professional than to discuss work in such a way on a swingers forum "

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"This time for not answering company phone!

Oh and taking a phone charger from another vehicle due to the one I was driving on Sunday not having one in it!

Think I will hand keys back to pathetic boss tomorrow, wait for them to sack me or shall I tell them to shove it where the sun don't shine?

"

Answer the company phone. Don't take other peoples chargers.

Stick to your words and hand back the keys.

Start your own business. Let us know how it goes when you are the boss.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"I should imagine a lot of time would be spent in marketing and advertising, web page and collecting money etc apart from the straightforward part of driving - so if you're starting your own business, have you got that side sorted? It can take time...."

Why bother when he's got his company's clients already?

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By *mnipotent_BehemothMan
over a year ago

near Merry Hill shopping centre

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you know the answer then just get on with it

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By *mnipotent_BehemothMan
over a year ago

near Merry Hill shopping centre

I should just say that I have come across plenty of drivers who have customers who follow them and it is never a good situation. I would never take them on in the first place, always plenty of other good Coach drivers out there who won't cause you headaches, and just do what they are paid to do, keep your motors clean and tidy and be happy with the 'whip' if they have done a good job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good luck whatever you do. It's not easy running your own business but people will go with who they know and trust. It's a competitive world. Remember though,when your company phone doesn't get answered because the driver is busy,don't blow a fuse

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And make sure every vehicle is fully equipped. No one likes shoddy management.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I struggle with someone stating that they are on "yet another disciplinary" somehow thinking they are the victim. The suggestion on the post is that it's a common occurrence. If that;s the case I really suspect that the confidence of being able to walk straight in to another job is probably misplaced

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"I struggle with someone stating that they are on "yet another disciplinary" somehow thinking they are the victim. The suggestion on the post is that it's a common occurrence. If that;s the case I really suspect that the confidence of being able to walk straight in to another job is probably misplaced"

I like you, you make sense

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"I struggle with someone stating that they are on "yet another disciplinary" somehow thinking they are the victim. The suggestion on the post is that it's a common occurrence. If that;s the case I really suspect that the confidence of being able to walk straight in to another job is probably misplaced"

I'm heartbroken if I get a mild rebuke from my manager.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You know the scenario better than any of us - but when it comes to work, I try never burn bridges .

References is one thing, but you know people move on etc. so if things don't work out longer term, going solo - or your minibus gets cricked - you might go back looking for work there.

So leave on good terms, don't give it the big time Charlie routine. Might come back + bite you on the arse

"

you never know who you might end up needing help or work from in the future

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You know the scenario better than any of us - but when it comes to work, I try never burn bridges .

References is one thing, but you know people move on etc. so if things don't work out longer term, going solo - or your minibus gets cricked - you might go back looking for work there.

So leave on good terms, don't give it the big time Charlie routine. Might come back + bite you on the arse

you never know who you might end up needing help or work from in the future"

And you need never know which company owners and decision-makers talk to counterparts in other companies. And management move jobs too, remember.

Be professional and be nice.

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By *pple16Man
over a year ago

Macclesfield

if this guy is so sure about himself why has he not set up a company years ago and had a team behind him by now?

Answer

its simpler to hide behind a job and complain

SIMPLES!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This time for not answering company phone!

Oh and taking a phone charger from another vehicle due to the one I was driving on Sunday not having one in it!

Think I will hand keys back to pathetic boss tomorrow, wait for them to sack me or shall I tell them to shove it where the sun don't shine?

"

Why didn't you answer the Company phone?Were you driving at the time?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

While I think your a great guy Pez, reading through this post, I get the impression you aren't good with authority?

Each company you work for has rules and regulations that you as an employee must adhere to, even if you don't agree with it, you can express that you don't agree with it of course via the right channels but not following their rules has led to this, like the jacket situation a few weeks ago, they are company rules.

Working for yourself in everyone's head seems quite straight forward but the cost and preparation for such a venture, it's not just get into your mini bus and drive, there is insurances, health and safety, PAYE, training, accounts and I could go on, it takes time to do all these things and while you are sorting all these things out, you are loosing revenue because all the above needs sorting out first.

I wish you luck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No one is indispensable.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Starting my own business os something that I have been working on for the last 3 years, I know ot is not easy... plenty of setbacks and other things, hence I am still working for a company.

Insurance and public liability is costly, same as having an operator's licence, premises etc.

I have run a company in the past, so I know all too well what is involved.

Now back to the original post.... not answering a phone because I was DRIVING!

Law's on this are plain and simple, DONT ANSWER WHILST DRIVING and this is the answer I will be giving in the morning.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"While I think your a great guy Pez, reading through this post, I get the impression you aren't good with authority?

Each company you work for has rules and regulations that you as an employee must adhere to, even if you don't agree with it, you can express that you don't agree with it of course via the right channels but not following their rules has led to this, like the jacket situation a few weeks ago, they are company rules.

Working for yourself in everyone's head seems quite straight forward but the cost and preparation for such a venture, it's not just get into your mini bus and drive, there is insurances, health and safety, PAYE, training, accounts and I could go on, it takes time to do all these things and while you are sorting all these things out, you are loosing revenue because all the above needs sorting out first.

I wish you luck

"

It takes time and energy and money and commitment and confidence to start ones own business. I have an excellent idea for a mini bus business so wish the OP the best of luck.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

Don't discuss the mans profile please

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Starting my own business os something that I have been working on for the last 3 years, I know ot is not easy... plenty of setbacks and other things, hence I am still working for a company.

Insurance and public liability is costly, same as having an operator's licence, premises etc.

I have run a company in the past, so I know all too well what is involved.

Now back to the original post.... not answering a phone because I was DRIVING!

Law's on this are plain and simple, DONT ANSWER WHILST DRIVING and this is the answer I will be giving in the morning. "

Is that before or after you tell her to shove it up her arse ???

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Lol thanks Steve, but im not doing swingers across Britain!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Don't discuss the mans profile please"

Thank you

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"Lol thanks Steve, but im not doing swingers across Britain! "

Pm me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Starting my own business os something that I have been working on for the last 3 years, I know ot is not easy... plenty of setbacks and other things, hence I am still working for a company.

Insurance and public liability is costly, same as having an operator's licence, premises etc.

I have run a company in the past, so I know all too well what is involved.

Now back to the original post.... not answering a phone because I was DRIVING!

Law's on this are plain and simple, DONT ANSWER WHILST DRIVING and this is the answer I will be giving in the morning. "

Well if you didn't answer purely because you were driving then what exactly happened to get it to the level of a disciplinary?

Sounds like you have issues with authority. Would you struggle so much if your boss was a man?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Starting my own business os something that I have been working on for the last 3 years, I know ot is not easy... plenty of setbacks and other things, hence I am still working for a company.

Insurance and public liability is costly, same as having an operator's licence, premises etc.

I have run a company in the past, so I know all too well what is involved.

Now back to the original post.... not answering a phone because I was DRIVING!

Law's on this are plain and simple, DONT ANSWER WHILST DRIVING and this is the answer I will be giving in the morning. "

Genuine question, surely in this day and age commercial vehicles have hands free for that very reason?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

No, my boss doesn't like the fact that I have my own vehicle, this is her main issue with me, now just trying every little thing to get rid of me.

Cctv in vehicle, taking a charger for a phone now an offence for discipline?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

If you are freelance does that mean you are a contractor? In which case if she really wanted rid of you she would just let you go

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Not quite that simple for her

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I never see the point of whinging and moaning and threatening to leave jobs

If you don't like it then work elsewhere "

Sometimes it is just letting off steam, they know they can't leave but can't do anything about it.

Before any jumps on this, it was not aimed at the op more a generalisation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They don't like the fact that I am going to price jobs cheaper than them!

Haha.... already got 3 customers from them, just can't use my minibus just yet."

Make sure you are not in breach of any contracts, that could turn messy for you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Cctv in vehicle, taking a charger for a phone now an offence for discipline? "

Who's vehicle was it? Did they know and consent to you taking it? Had you had opportunity to return it and failed to do so? If you have your own coach where was your own charger? Was the charger for your own phone or the company one? If it was for the company one where's the charger they gave you with the phone? Why wasn't your phone charged? Why did you need a charger if it was only going to be on standby as you had no intention of answering it?

If I was representing you in the disciplinary I'd hope you could give a convincing answer to all those questions in order to get off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm hoping your employer isn't on here, or your next employer for that matter . .

Her

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Company vehicle, charger missing from the vehicle i had to use.

Cctv in all vehicles, mainly to spy on the drivers!!!!!

Maybe you would like to attend the hearing?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I'm hoping your employer isn't on here, or your next employer for that matter . .

Her "

My next employer os typing all the messages!

This is turning into quite a discussion.... shame nobody can see it from my view lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Was it a full disciplinary with proper notice and representation for you, or just a "talking to"? If the latter, ignore it and work toward your own business as you see fit. You owe them nothing. If the former - "mind fuck" them and tell them you apologise profusely for your actions, blame it on lack of adequate training and ask them for a re-training course. Also tell them you're under a lot of stress and that you need counselling - see how fast they offer to pay for it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Company vehicle, charger missing from the vehicle i had to use.

Cctv in all vehicles, mainly to spy on the drivers!!!!!

Maybe you would like to attend the hearing? "

To spy on the drivers? Or to ensure they are doing their job and offer evidence in the case of prosecution and/or insurance claims?

The fact that you refer to it as spying just reinforces the persecution complex you seem to have. I've represented plenty of people in disciplinaries, but I always found bolshoi aggressive unapologetic types the worst to deal with so I'll decline that offer.

I do suspect that if your attitude is as bad as it is on this thread that is why you are on a disciplnary, an apology and an explanation for a matter so trivial usually resolves it. Unless this was the straw that broke the camal's back maybe?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

OP was/were the previous discipline issue(s) with the same person..?

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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago

Catthorpe


"I'm hoping your employer isn't on here, or your next employer for that matter . .

Her

My next employer os typing all the messages!

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Wow, just wow!!! Madness!!

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

There's usually a process, informal chat, formal chat/verbal warning 1 and 2, written warning with regular meetings then booted outski.

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By *trawberry-popWoman
over a year ago

South East Midlands NOT

I'm not surprised people aren't seeing it from the OPs perspective.

My best friend is a victim, and is regularly subject to disciplinary procedures at work. All she does is whinge and moan about work...no one listens any more.

I dare say it's her perspective and attitude which are the problems.

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else


"Can walk straight into another job so mo problem there.

So why don't you?

Was quite happy in this company until a few weeks ago.

They don't like the fact I now own my own minibus.

They are trying to find ways of getting rid of me..."

...by ringing you up and leaving company property for you to steal?

The scheming bastards.

If only there was some way of avoiding all this unreasonable disciplinary hassle....

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Can walk straight into another job so mo problem there.

So why don't you?

Was quite happy in this company until a few weeks ago.

They don't like the fact I now own my own minibus.

They are trying to find ways of getting rid of me...

...by ringing you up and leaving company property for you to steal?

The scheming bastards.

If only there was some way of avoiding all this unreasonable disciplinary hassle...."

Since when did I say I 'stole' company property!

Some of the replies on here this evening are laughable, nobody knows the full extent of why I have an attitude with my boss, the cctv installed has only been used to spy on drivers, me being the only person in the company man enough to speak out about it.

Others bitch behind the bosses back, I don't do that, instead I load both barrels and shot, re load and shoot again!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Can walk straight into another job so mo problem there.

So why don't you?

Was quite happy in this company until a few weeks ago.

They don't like the fact I now own my own minibus.

They are trying to find ways of getting rid of me...

...by ringing you up and leaving company property for you to steal?

The scheming bastards.

If only there was some way of avoiding all this unreasonable disciplinary hassle....

Since when did I say I 'stole' company property!

Some of the replies on here this evening are laughable, nobody knows the full extent of why I have an attitude with my boss, the cctv installed has only been used to spy on drivers, me being the only person in the company man enough to speak out about it.

Others bitch behind the bosses back, I don't do that, instead I load both barrels and shot, re load and shoot again!

"

Good for you . Well I hope they give your job to someone who deserves it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Yeah I pity the next person who has to work for such a fuckwit boss.

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

Woooshhhhhhhhh.....

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Woooshhhhhhhhh....."

Can't quite see how you can make such a silly assumption that I stole anything.... care to elaborate?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They don't like the fact that I am going to price jobs cheaper than them!

Haha.... already got 3 customers from them, just can't use my minibus just yet."

this is where you have to be careful - taking clients

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Can walk straight into another job so mo problem there.

So why don't you?

Was quite happy in this company until a few weeks ago.

They don't like the fact I now own my own minibus.

They are trying to find ways of getting rid of me...

...by ringing you up and leaving company property for you to steal?

The scheming bastards.

If only there was some way of avoiding all this unreasonable disciplinary hassle....

Since when did I say I 'stole' company property!

Some of the replies on here this evening are laughable, nobody knows the full extent of why I have an attitude with my boss, the cctv installed has only been used to spy on drivers, me being the only person in the company man enough to speak out about it.

Others bitch behind the bosses back, I don't do that, instead I load both barrels and shot, re load and shoot again!

"

How is this not bitching behind the boss's back? Shooting to kill by posting about her on a swinging forum, ooh...that'll teach her...

People are only basing their reactions on the information you've provided, there's no big conspiracy.

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By *obbytupperMan
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley


"Can walk straight into another job so mo problem there.

So why don't you?

Was quite happy in this company until a few weeks ago.

They don't like the fact I now own my own minibus.

They are trying to find ways of getting rid of me...

...by ringing you up and leaving company property for you to steal?

The scheming bastards.

If only there was some way of avoiding all this unreasonable disciplinary hassle....

Since when did I say I 'stole' company property!

Some of the replies on here this evening are laughable, nobody knows the full extent of why I have an attitude with my boss, the cctv installed has only been used to spy on drivers, me being the only person in the company man enough to speak out about it.

Others bitch behind the bosses back, I don't do that, instead I load both barrels and shot, re load and shoot again!

"

This is why you'll be fired.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

maybe it's actually you that is in the wrong and not your boss. Just a thought.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Can walk straight into another job so mo problem there.

So why don't you?

Was quite happy in this company until a few weeks ago.

They don't like the fact I now own my own minibus.

They are trying to find ways of getting rid of me...

...by ringing you up and leaving company property for you to steal?

The scheming bastards.

If only there was some way of avoiding all this unreasonable disciplinary hassle....

Since when did I say I 'stole' company property!

Some of the replies on here this evening are laughable, nobody knows the full extent of why I have an attitude with my boss, the cctv installed has only been used to spy on drivers, me being the only person in the company man enough to speak out about it.

Others bitch behind the bosses back, I don't do that, instead I load both barrels and shot, re load and shoot again!

"

And as you are on 'yet another disciplinary' - how is that approach going compared to your colleagues approach?

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else


"Woooshhhhhhhhh.....

Can't quite see how you can make such a silly assumption that I stole anything.... care to elaborate? "

First post says you took a phone charger out of a vehicle.

I still can't see how phoning you up is victimisation.... care to elaborate?

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else


"They don't like the fact that I am going to price jobs cheaper than them!

Haha.... already got 3 customers from them, just can't use my minibus just yet.

this is where you have to be careful - taking clients "

Seems more likely to be a short term borrowing, in my opinion...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

The boss knows NOT to call personal phones whilst we are driving! She phoned mine 5 times in as many mins!

As I was driving, I will NOT answer without bluetooth, and as they don't supply them I didn't answer her call.

Elaborated enough?

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else


"The boss knows NOT to call personal phones whilst we are driving! She phoned mine 5 times in as many mins!

As I was driving, I will NOT answer without bluetooth, and as they don't supply them I didn't answer her call.

Elaborated enough? "

Feisty...

This thread isn't the orgy of sympathy you were hoping for, is it? Have you asked yourself why that might be?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The boss knows NOT to call personal phones whilst we are driving! She phoned mine 5 times in as many mins!

As I was driving, I will NOT answer without bluetooth, and as they don't supply them I didn't answer her call.

Elaborated enough? "

Thought it was a company phone she called?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The boss knows NOT to call personal phones whilst we are driving! She phoned mine 5 times in as many mins!

As I was driving, I will NOT answer without bluetooth, and as they don't supply them I didn't answer her call.

Elaborated enough? "

But you said in your OP it was the company phone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you had no intention of answering the phone why did you need a charger?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Didn't post for sympathy, and yes I did say company phone, she tried that one first and due to no parrot system in vehicle I declined to answer, then she went on to call my personal phone.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"If you had no intention of answering the phone why did you need a charger?"

To charge the sat nav, the battery doesn't last all day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Didn't post for sympathy, and yes I did say company phone, she tried that one first and due to no parrot system in vehicle I declined to answer, then she went on to call my personal phone."

So you expect your employer to supply blue tooth for your personal phone (it;s why you said you weren't answering it) incase they ring you on that rather than the complany mobile they supply you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The boss knows NOT to call personal phones whilst we are driving! She phoned mine 5 times in as many mins!

As I was driving, I will NOT answer without bluetooth, and as they don't supply them I didn't answer her call.

Elaborated enough? "

Well done tbh.

If the company's too cheap to opt for a legal hands free system for their drivers then they should expect that phone calls will be voice mails to be replied to at the next shedulled stop.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The boss knows NOT to call personal phones whilst we are driving! She phoned mine 5 times in as many mins!

As I was driving, I will NOT answer without bluetooth, and as they don't supply them I didn't answer her call.

Elaborated enough?

Well done tbh.

If the company's too cheap to opt for a legal hands free system for their drivers then they should expect that phone calls will be voice mails to be replied to at the next shedulled stop."

This sums it up perfectly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Can walk straight into another job so mo problem there.

Don't be so sure on that one, met many a person who claimed that only to find that they were mistaken "

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By *9bottMan
over a year ago

chester


"Starting my own business in a few months, just may need to do it a little quicker than I wanted to.

"
....then you will realise that your biggest problem are misbehaving employees :-0)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Starting my own business in a few months, just may need to do it a little quicker than I wanted to.

....then you will realise that your biggest problem are misbehaving employees :-0) "

Misbehaving by not breaking the law?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lots of guys like this one out there, we usually sack them before the end of the first day.Will also say that there are a lot of people out there who will bend over backwards to assist the company in appreciation of having a job.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Lots of guys like this one out there, we usually sack them before the end of the first day.Will also say that there are a lot of people out there who will bend over backwards to assist the company in appreciation of having a job."

This makes me laugh!

You know nothing about me, I have done many a good turn for the company, bringing in custom when they had quiet periods, and also have about 30 recommendations through my work.

Think this thread needs to be closed now!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Lots of guys like this one out there, we usually sack them before the end of the first day.Will also say that there are a lot of people out there who will bend over backwards to assist the company in appreciation of having a job.

This makes me laugh!

You know nothing about me, I have done many a good turn for the company, bringing in custom when they had quiet periods, and also have about 30 recommendations through my work.

Think this thread needs to be closed now! "

But you invited comment by posting OP. Just because it hasn't gone the way you expected, you want it closed? I suspect that the attitude displayed in this thread is at the root cause of your professional life too!

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else


"Lots of guys like this one out there, we usually sack them before the end of the first day.Will also say that there are a lot of people out there who will bend over backwards to assist the company in appreciation of having a job.

This makes me laugh!

You know nothing about me, I have done many a good turn for the company, bringing in custom when they had quiet periods, and also have about 30 recommendations through my work.

Think this thread needs to be closed now! "

We still haven't heard about your previous misdemeanours...you may be able to convert us with your tales of woe...

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"Company vehicle, charger missing from the vehicle i had to use.

Cctv in all vehicles, mainly to spy on the drivers!!!!!

Maybe you would like to attend the hearing?

To spy on the drivers? Or to ensure they are doing their job and offer evidence in the case of prosecution and/or insurance claims?

The fact that you refer to it as spying just reinforces the persecution complex you seem to have. I've represented plenty of people in disciplinaries, but I always found bolshoi aggressive unapologetic types the worst to deal with so I'll decline that offer.

I do suspect that if your attitude is as bad as it is on this thread that is why you are on a disciplnary, an apology and an explanation for a matter so trivial usually resolves it. Unless this was the straw that broke the camal's back maybe?"

CCTV is used in PSVs for a myriad of reasons, for evidence in instances of public abuse of drivers, public v public altercations, accident and insurance investigations, external investigations where police may ask the bus company for their hard drives, evidence of damage to vehicles by public, and yes, evidence in disciplinary investigations. It is never, in my experience, used to 'spy' on drivers... that would take up an inordinate and costly amount of time.

Having said all that, from what you have said on this thread, if I were your boss you would have been an ex-employee some time ago.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

My comments still stand I think you are taking the piss out of the company who is providing you with your bread and butter as I said before don't bite the hand that feeds you...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Methinks when youve got your own company, theres a very good chance you'll even argue, and fall out, with yourself!

Look out National Express! Not

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I'm not sure this went as the OP expected it.

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By *istress DiscreetzWoman
over a year ago

Herts. Cambridge. Essex.


"Lots of guys like this one out there, we usually sack them before the end of the first day.Will also say that there are a lot of people out there who will bend over backwards to assist the company in appreciation of having a job.

This makes me laugh!

You know nothing about me, I have done many a good turn for the company, bringing in custom when they had quiet periods, and also have about 30 recommendations through my work.

Think this thread needs to be closed now! "

Soon Be Christmas Pez lol xx Ho Ho Ho xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They don't like the fact that I am going to price jobs cheaper than them!

Haha.... already got 3 customers from them, just can't use my minibus just yet.

You're sounding really immature now"

I was thinking this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm not sure this went as the OP expected it. "

Nah Tina, its gone EXACTLY how he wanted. Look at me! Look at me! Look at me!....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Lots of guys like this one out there, we usually sack them before the end of the first day.Will also say that there are a lot of people out there who will bend over backwards to assist the company in appreciation of having a job.

This makes me laugh!

You know nothing about me, I have done many a good turn for the company, bringing in custom when they had quiet periods, and also have about 30 recommendations through my work.

Think this thread needs to be closed now! "

You have 30 Fab recommendations through work? No wonder you couldn't answer your fucking phone

And if I was your boss and you were bringing your own vehicle for work and then taking equipment out of my vehicle (rendering MY vehicle unusable) I would be fucking annoyed too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OP I think I'd be discussing this with your wife rather than putting half a story as your opener and expecting everyone to sooth you. My own opinion from what I've read here is I wouldn't trust or employ you!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mate, sorry you're having a rough time at work. I don't know the full facts from either your side or theirs so I'm not really qualified to say whose fault it is or what exactly is the truth of the situation, but it's never nice when anyone is unhappy in their day to day workplace so I hope you can find some resolution and job satisfaction soon!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Mate, sorry you're having a rough time at work. I don't know the full facts from either your side or theirs so I'm not really qualified to say whose fault it is or what exactly is the truth of the situation, but it's never nice when anyone is unhappy in their day to day workplace so I hope you can find some resolution and job satisfaction soon! "

Thursday man. Thursday!

That's when we're allowed to be nice to fellas. Read the fucking FAQ's for fucks sake

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"What part of my post do you not understand?

They are my customers and only want me as their driver.

They have followed me through 2 other companies, loyal to me.

This is NOT stealing custom from my boss, it is the customer following me."

Most EMPLOYERS employ people because of what they BRING to their organisation. The chances are YOUR EMPLOYERS employed you for the business you BROUGHT WITH YOU...

They probably are not stupid and have worked out that you now intend to set up on your own TAKING SOME OF THEIR (it does not matter that you brought the business in with you when you started working for them) WITH YOU.

What will you do when you find one of your employees is STEALING your business from you when the boot is on the other foot?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Mate, sorry you're having a rough time at work. I don't know the full facts from either your side or theirs so I'm not really qualified to say whose fault it is or what exactly is the truth of the situation, but it's never nice when anyone is unhappy in their day to day workplace so I hope you can find some resolution and job satisfaction soon!

Thursday man. Thursday!

That's when we're allowed to be nice to fellas. Read the fucking FAQ's for fucks sake "

ah I'm confusing it with Ranting Thursdays!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yawn.......Id be letting you go.....

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

Flagrante

Interesting thread.....I saw that you said you have been working on setting up your business for the last three years....during this time the company have been paying you which has partly enabled you to do this so in reality they have helped you. Knowing now that you are setting up on your own in the same industry would be a problem for them which I guess has caused some animosity, and none of us have first hand knowledge of your relationship with your employer.

As many other have said, go with good grace as you never know what the future holds.....also make sure there are no restrictive covenants in your contract which preclude you from setting up a competitive business. Good luck.

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By *trawberry-popWoman
over a year ago

South East Midlands NOT


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Think this thread needs to be closed now! "

Diddums.

They won't close the thread on the basis that you don't like what you're hearing.

As previously stated it seems your attitude is all wrong! That might be where you're falling foul of disciplinary procedures.

People here in the past have said I have a bad attitude. In my 18 years of working I have never been sacked or disciplined. Just saying.

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By *he devil wears pradaWoman
over a year ago

gosport ish

Why don't you share why you've had other disciplinaries op? There could be a common denominator here, although reading the thread I think I know what it maybe #justsaying

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"Yeah I pity the next person who has to work for such a fuckwit boss. "

But you were happy there before they found out you were setting up in competition. Did you honestly expect them to be happy?

It sounds like you are not quite ready to go it alone and resent her setting the pace. Just go for it, but leave on as good terms as you can - your company may not work out (your last one didn't) and remember, when you are self-employed, you swap one boss for many: because effectively all of your customers are your 'boss'.

It sounds like you work for a taxi firm, in which case make sure you have cctv fitted in your own mini-bus. You'll regret not having it the first time a d*unken customer falsely accuses you of something - I believe in some places it is even compulsory before the local council give you a licence. Not everything is a conspiracy...

Mr ddc

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

If you are about to set your own company up ask yourself if you would employ someone with your attitude?

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

If what you have done is by the letter of the law and with in company policy, then you have zero to be concerned about then op. !

Most employers tred very carefully regards any disaplinary and bound by strict regulations .They know otherwise they'd be subjet to unfair dismissal claims.

I feel theres much more to this than just not answering company phone while driving and would be a totally different story coming from the other person's side .

We will never know the full account but whether you are in the right or wrong best to go in with dignity and grace

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not a typically rude chap ....me...that is...worked hard all my life...been in business...had my own for a while...met all sorts...always managed people. ...so I think I'm level headed.....OP....YOU ARE A COMPLETE AMD UTTER "CHUMP". ..WHO HASNT GOT A CLUE...And I'm being very polite. ..!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Starting my own business os something that I have been working on for the last 3 years, I know ot is not easy... plenty of setbacks and other things, hence I am still working for a company.

Insurance and public liability is costly, same as having an operator's licence, premises etc.

I have run a company in the past, so I know all too well what is involved.

Now back to the original post.... not answering a phone because I was DRIVING!

Law's on this are plain and simple, DONT ANSWER WHILST DRIVING and this is the answer I will be giving in the morning.

Genuine question, surely in this day and age commercial vehicles have hands free for that very reason?"
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Most sensible businesses will not let you make phone calls whilst driving... At all

Evidence suggests that hands free is not much safer than holding the damn thing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Can walk straight into another job so mo problem there. "
Why you here moaning then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What part of my post do you not understand?

They are my customers and only want me as their driver.

They have followed me through 2 other companies, loyal to me.

This is NOT stealing custom from my boss, it is the customer following me.

Most EMPLOYERS employ people because of what they BRING to their organisation. The chances are YOUR EMPLOYERS employed you for the business you BROUGHT WITH YOU...

They probably are not stupid and have worked out that you now intend to set up on your own TAKING SOME OF THEIR (it does not matter that you brought the business in with you when you started working for them) WITH YOU.

What will you do when you find one of your employees is STEALING your business from you when the boot is on the other foot?

"
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You can't STEAL business... It's called free market enterprise and is the basis of capitalism!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Can walk straight into another job so mo problem there. Why you here moaning then "

Because to me, it looks like his ego has been bruised by a woman.

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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago

Chippenham Malmesbury area

Sounds like the OP is using the company as a stop-gap until he's able to use his own Minibus and set up for himself, taking some of there customers with him.

If I was him, I'd grin and bear whatever they threw at me and leave with without being sacked.

And, as for taking another job - this may not be that easy if they got wind of him only wanting the job for a short while then leaving; if it's the same work he's doing now, they could even be concerned he'd take some of their custom too.

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