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"I like individuality, arguably the hardest thing is to be comfortable with 'normal' or 'average', very few are happy with it in the sense of the word. I think I'm passionate as a person, but what about has changed in some ways." There is one normal couple in the entire country, Sid and Doris. They work in Admin and Finance, live in a small beige noddy box and watch telly with their small beige dog in the evenings. They're welcome to it. | |||
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"I like individuality, arguably the hardest thing is to be comfortable with 'normal' or 'average', very few are happy with it in the sense of the word. I think I'm passionate as a person, but what about has changed in some ways. There is one normal couple in the entire country, Sid and Doris. They work in Admin and Finance, live in a small beige noddy box and watch telly with their small beige dog in the evenings. They're welcome to it. " You didn't tell me you knew my mum and dad  | |||
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"I have millionaires for friends, I've stayed with billionaires... I've also been in more prisons and crack dens than you might imagine. VERDICT: The difference between rich and poor people? Money." You realise you've just revealed your real identity to the site as Johnny Quid from RocknRolla? Ok but can someone explain why some people feel a need to speak an obscure language in order to identify with a place they were born? I just don't get why people feel that their identity is threatened by speaking a common language with other countries (e.g. English) | |||
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"You realise you've just revealed your real identity to the site as Johnny Quid from RocknRolla? Ok but can someone explain why some people feel a need to speak an obscure language in order to identify with a place they were born? I just don't get why people feel that their identity is threatened by speaking a common language with other countries (e.g. English) " Such as... Welsh? I don;t follow... | |||
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"You realise you've just revealed your real identity to the site as Johnny Quid from RocknRolla? Ok but can someone explain why some people feel a need to speak an obscure language in order to identify with a place they were born? I just don't get why people feel that their identity is threatened by speaking a common language with other countries (e.g. English) Such as... Welsh? I don;t follow..." Not exclusively but it's a good enough example. It takes a huge effort to learn a 2nd language and I can't understand what the benefits are relative to the opportunity cost? Let's say that they felt as strongly about learning Chinese as they do Welsh, it would probably open up huge business opportunities for them in economically depressed areas. | |||
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"National identity has its roots in linguistic politics. It can also be learned I guess. I am thoroughly English and English by birth. But still proud to be an American "Ok so the question is, is being American a stronger part of your identity than anything you choose to associate with? If so, why? | |||
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"It takes a huge effort to learn a 2nd language and I can't understand what the benefits are relative to the opportunity cost? Let's say that they felt as strongly about learning Chinese as they do Welsh, it would probably open up huge business opportunities for them in economically depressed areas. " No it doesn't - we're just English and mostly lazy. Go to Europe or travel around the world - having a few languages under your belt is common. | |||
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"It takes a huge effort to learn a 2nd language and I can't understand what the benefits are relative to the opportunity cost? Let's say that they felt as strongly about learning Chinese as they do Welsh, it would probably open up huge business opportunities for them in economically depressed areas. No it doesn't - we're just English and mostly lazy. Go to Europe or travel around the world - having a few languages under your belt is common. " The point is that if you have time to learn a second language, why not learn one that is more widely spoken for the obvious economic opportunities that come with it? | |||
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"I suppose it's because our choices can always be changed, you can change your occupation or your group of friends relatively easily. Your race, gender, nationality will always be the same." I do get that, but from what I've been told, children are inherently unbothered by things like race, gender or nationality. The implication being these are divisions we learn and perhaps don't really need... | |||
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"Ok so the question is, is being American a stronger part of your identity than anything you choose to associate with? If so, why? " I wouldn't say so, but for example if the World Cup was on and England went out but the USA and Scotland were still in I'd support the USA. And yes I realise a WC with England out and Scotland still in should be in the fantasy story section 
I think I don't identity with anything, just get on with my life, until a situation makes me aware of it. | |||
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"Well at school I was in the 'freaks' group, not in the 'cool' group" This is a good example. I was the quiet one that most people didn't even talk to. So when I went to Uni I made a conscious effort to talk to everyone. I wanted to escape that group that I had been in. To my surprise I became one of the cool people  But to this day I make an effort to include anyone who is quiet in a group situation. | |||
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"Ok so the question is, is being American a stronger part of your identity than anything you choose to associate with? If so, why? I wouldn't say so, but for example if the World Cup was on and England went out but the USA and Scotland were still in I'd support the USA. And yes I realise a WC with England out and Scotland still in should be in the fantasy story section
I think I don't identity with anything, just get on with my life, until a situation makes me aware of it. "That's sensible, I'm not anti having a national identity or anything and sports are always a fun time to wave the flag. But the other day I was watching some pseudo debating programme (maybe question time) and there's a white, British man going on a rant about fucking immigrants taking all out jobs and practising voodoo to ruin the harvest (maybe I exaggerated there). Anyway, I'm just thinking that I don't identify with this guy in any way, shape or form but he'd probably identify with me because we have the same skin colour and passport. | |||
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"I'd say that I always feel most uncomfortable with people whose pride and joy was being born a certain way!"  | |||
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"It takes a huge effort to learn a 2nd language and I can't understand what the benefits are relative to the opportunity cost? Let's say that they felt as strongly about learning Chinese as they do Welsh, it would probably open up huge business opportunities for them in economically depressed areas. No it doesn't - we're just English and mostly lazy. Go to Europe or travel around the world - having a few languages under your belt is common. The point is that if you have time to learn a second language, why not learn one that is more widely spoken for the obvious economic opportunities that come with it? " do you know a second language that was taught to you from birth? genuine question | |||
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"When people identify with a particular group, you could split those groups into ones they choose and ones they were effectively born into. Personally I find it strange that the strongest emotions seem to come with identities that people never even chose, does anyone else find this strange? That list includes nationalities, gender, race... I'm just confused why people (on average) seem to feel more strongly these things than say their choice of occupation, choice of values or the groups they choose to associate with. Any thoughts? " I don't categorise myself ,I think it exists with people who have low self esteem and feel that conforming with certain views and actions exacted by others makes them feel comfortable ,they feel part of something as highly sexed people do they feel belonging to fab makes them part of a community of like minded people and some feel so comfortable they are willing to share their ridiculous thoughts with us !!    hugs | |||
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"It takes a huge effort to learn a 2nd language and I can't understand what the benefits are relative to the opportunity cost? Let's say that they felt as strongly about learning Chinese as they do Welsh, it would probably open up huge business opportunities for them in economically depressed areas. No it doesn't - we're just English and mostly lazy. Go to Europe or travel around the world - having a few languages under your belt is common. The point is that if you have time to learn a second language, why not learn one that is more widely spoken for the obvious economic opportunities that come with it? do you know a second language that was taught to you from birth? genuine question" No, I found the language education at school to be pathetic and so I've struggled to try and pick up a 2nd language later in life which is very very hard | |||
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"It takes a huge effort to learn a 2nd language and I can't understand what the benefits are relative to the opportunity cost? Let's say that they felt as strongly about learning Chinese as they do Welsh, it would probably open up huge business opportunities for them in economically depressed areas. No it doesn't - we're just English and mostly lazy. Go to Europe or travel around the world - having a few languages under your belt is common. The point is that if you have time to learn a second language, why not learn one that is more widely spoken for the obvious economic opportunities that come with it? do you know a second language that was taught to you from birth? genuine question No, I found the language education at school to be pathetic and so I've struggled to try and pick up a 2nd language later in life which is very very hard " in that case it's going to be difficult to convey why welsh people have no problem being bilingual whilst growing up and then go on to be tri-lingual or more when they learn other languages in school etc. plus welsh is widely used in the work place, signage, media braodcast etc. so as we are immersed in both english and welsh it's completely natural to use both. also many jobs in wales require employees to have the ability to speak welsh and without that ability you are competative in the job market. we don't do this in order to identify with a group, we don't think about it, it just happens. and because it just happens it's given us a unique cultural identity which is distinct from say the english or spanish etc. | |||
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"It takes a huge effort to learn a 2nd language and I can't understand what the benefits are relative to the opportunity cost? Let's say that they felt as strongly about learning Chinese as they do Welsh, it would probably open up huge business opportunities for them in economically depressed areas. No it doesn't - we're just English and mostly lazy. Go to Europe or travel around the world - having a few languages under your belt is common. The point is that if you have time to learn a second language, why not learn one that is more widely spoken for the obvious economic opportunities that come with it? do you know a second language that was taught to you from birth? genuine question No, I found the language education at school to be pathetic and so I've struggled to try and pick up a 2nd language later in life which is very very hard in that case it's going to be difficult to convey why welsh people have no problem being bilingual whilst growing up and then go on to be tri-lingual or more when they learn other languages in school etc. plus welsh is widely used in the work place, signage, media braodcast etc. so as we are immersed in both english and welsh it's completely natural to use both. also many jobs in wales require employees to have the ability to speak welsh and without that ability you are competative in the job market. we don't do this in order to identify with a group, we don't think about it, it just happens. and because it just happens it's given us a unique cultural identity which is distinct from say the english or spanish etc." But this wasn't an accident, it was a deliberate policy of the Welsh government to raise the profile of the Welsh language - and it's worked. I like Wales a lot and lived there for many years. But the cold economic rationality is that the average Welsh person has 15% less purchasing power parity than the average English person which is a complicated way of saying, the Welsh economy could do with a boost! That's why it seems strange to an outsider that they put so much effort into a language that doesn't bring any economic benefit. I'm not denying it could have a cultural benefit but that's just what I'm asking / trying to understand... Ps: the same could apply to Cornwall so this isn't an anti Welsh thing, in all honesty I'd love to move back to Wales but there just aren't the jobs for us (or many of them) | |||
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"It takes a huge effort to learn a 2nd language and I can't understand what the benefits are relative to the opportunity cost? Let's say that they felt as strongly about learning Chinese as they do Welsh, it would probably open up huge business opportunities for them in economically depressed areas. No it doesn't - we're just English and mostly lazy. Go to Europe or travel around the world - having a few languages under your belt is common. The point is that if you have time to learn a second language, why not learn one that is more widely spoken for the obvious economic opportunities that come with it? do you know a second language that was taught to you from birth? genuine question No, I found the language education at school to be pathetic and so I've struggled to try and pick up a 2nd language later in life which is very very hard in that case it's going to be difficult to convey why welsh people have no problem being bilingual whilst growing up and then go on to be tri-lingual or more when they learn other languages in school etc. plus welsh is widely used in the work place, signage, media braodcast etc. so as we are immersed in both english and welsh it's completely natural to use both. also many jobs in wales require employees to have the ability to speak welsh and without that ability you are competative in the job market. we don't do this in order to identify with a group, we don't think about it, it just happens. and because it just happens it's given us a unique cultural identity which is distinct from say the english or spanish etc. But this wasn't an accident, it was a deliberate policy of the Welsh government to raise the profile of the Welsh language - and it's worked. I like Wales a lot and lived there for many years. But the cold economic rationality is that the average Welsh person has 15% less purchasing power parity than the average English person which is a complicated way of saying, the Welsh economy could do with a boost! That's why it seems strange to an outsider that they put so much effort into a language that doesn't bring any economic benefit. I'm not denying it could have a cultural benefit but that's just what I'm asking / trying to understand... Ps: the same could apply to Cornwall so this isn't an anti Welsh thing, in all honesty I'd love to move back to Wales but there just aren't the jobs for us (or many of them) " like i said it's difficult to convey as you can't grasp the fundamentals being a mono-linguist. but aside from that, having the ability to speak welsh from pre-school age gives us the bi-product of a cultural identity that is easily identified with. | |||
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"It takes a huge effort to learn a 2nd language and I can't understand what the benefits are relative to the opportunity cost? Let's say that they felt as strongly about learning Chinese as they do Welsh, it would probably open up huge business opportunities for them in economically depressed areas. No it doesn't - we're just English and mostly lazy. Go to Europe or travel around the world - having a few languages under your belt is common. The point is that if you have time to learn a second language, why not learn one that is more widely spoken for the obvious economic opportunities that come with it? do you know a second language that was taught to you from birth? genuine question No, I found the language education at school to be pathetic and so I've struggled to try and pick up a 2nd language later in life which is very very hard in that case it's going to be difficult to convey why welsh people have no problem being bilingual whilst growing up and then go on to be tri-lingual or more when they learn other languages in school etc. plus welsh is widely used in the work place, signage, media braodcast etc. so as we are immersed in both english and welsh it's completely natural to use both. also many jobs in wales require employees to have the ability to speak welsh and without that ability you are competative in the job market. we don't do this in order to identify with a group, we don't think about it, it just happens. and because it just happens it's given us a unique cultural identity which is distinct from say the english or spanish etc. But this wasn't an accident, it was a deliberate policy of the Welsh government to raise the profile of the Welsh language - and it's worked. I like Wales a lot and lived there for many years. But the cold economic rationality is that the average Welsh person has 15% less purchasing power parity than the average English person which is a complicated way of saying, the Welsh economy could do with a boost! That's why it seems strange to an outsider that they put so much effort into a language that doesn't bring any economic benefit. I'm not denying it could have a cultural benefit but that's just what I'm asking / trying to understand... Ps: the same could apply to Cornwall so this isn't an anti Welsh thing, in all honesty I'd love to move back to Wales but there just aren't the jobs for us (or many of them) like i said it's difficult to convey as you can't grasp the fundamentals being a mono-linguist. but aside from that, having the ability to speak welsh from pre-school age gives us the bi-product of a cultural identity that is easily identified with. " I wouldn't call myself a mono-linguist, I'm continuing to learn a second language and will be fluent one day. The question is just about why it is important to some people to identify so strongly with something you were born into, rather than something you choose? It's not just language or the Welsh. I don't really understand people that constantly bang on about the colour of their skin either. Whilst I am white living in a white country, I work abroad a lot and don't feel self aware in non-white countries. | |||
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"i'm not sure what you're asking .... seems vague" If we're sat at a social and you asked me about things I identify with, I would describe things I have chosen to identify with (my profession, groups I'm a member of, things I like). There are other people that would answer the same question with identities that they were born with (e.g. nationality, skin colour, gender). In my personal experience, these people seem even more passionate about identifying this way and I'm just trying to understand why because it strikes me as counter intuitive. | |||
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"Comfort zones Most people like to feel comfortable Why try something new when something already works?" Makes for a more interesting & potentially fulfilling life | |||
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"Comfort zones Most people like to feel comfortable Why try something new when something already works? Makes for a more interesting & potentially fulfilling life " It was rhetorical | |||
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"Comfort zones Most people like to feel comfortable Why try something new when something already works? Makes for a more interesting & potentially fulfilling life It was rhetorical "Mainly because that's a popular phrase I hear from people who don't try to improve their lives | |||
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"I met a woman who, at the age of 32 stopped being a house wife and mother in Japan and moved to Australia to start a new life with an internet lover. When our paths crossed she was in London, thinking about doing it again..." So Australia didn't work out then? | |||
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"I met a woman who, at the age of 32 stopped being a house wife and mother in Japan and moved to Australia to start a new life with an internet lover. When our paths crossed she was in London, thinking about doing it again... So Australia didn't work out then? " Apparently not. She'd been with the Aussie for 8 years when I met her. Very odd woman. But totally at ease with the idea of ripping everything up and doing something else on the other side of the world. Unusual. | |||
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