FabSwingers.com forum: deliberate attempt to hit me

By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Just had a driver aim his car AT me, then lean out of his window yelling abuse.

My crime? To cycle more than a doors width away from parked cars as per training & govt safety advice.

He even admitted he'd done it to 'teach me a lesson'

I'm shaking now, ive been cycling for over 30yrs and this was the worst in a long time.

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By *innamon!Woman
over a year ago

no matter

Time to get a helmet cam.. Better go sit down have a cuppa tea.

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

I have a cam, never wanted to have to use it on my daily commute but I will from tomorrow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What a wanker! Big hugs xx

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

We're there witnesses? Cctv? Have you contacted the police?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Big hugs. Sorry to hear you had to deal with knobheads

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hope your ok some "people "shouldn't be allowed to drive and that man is one of them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are some idiots about!! Hope you are ok x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Should report to police as altercation

Go and sit down and take deep breaths xx

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman
over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!

Fucking idiot,hope you're ok.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Just had a driver aim his car AT me, then lean out of his window yelling abuse.

My crime? To cycle more than a doors width away from parked cars as per training & govt safety advice.

He even admitted he'd done it to 'teach me a lesson'

I'm shaking now, ive been cycling for over 30yrs and this was the worst in a long time."

I once had a driver put his hand out of his window and push me. I was standing in my pedals waiting to turn right and he pushed me off in front of the car I was waiting to pass. Luckily the other car stopped.

I chased after the dickhead and asked why he was trying to kill me? he said I "was taking up too much room".

I reported him to the police but he just denied everything.

Cal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would of just touched his car ever so slightly the fall off big claim then he would get done aswell win win

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You need to report him and go get yourself a hot drink. Sorry to hear there are some real idiots on the roads these days

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some motorists are so inconsiderate towards cyclist! I have a close shave just about every time I go out!

Hope you're okay?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I take my bike out with the mindset everyone is going to kill me. Have seen someone fly over a car door before and it's not pretty. Your word against his so get that helmet cam on and get him Ronnie Pickering style

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hugs- drink tea and feel better soon x

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

Report the incident to the Police. This is very serious. This guy is mentally unstable

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Big big hugs, I cycle pretty much everywhere & often don't get given space I feel I need. I haven't had anything as bad as that happen though.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Some motorists are so inconsiderate towards cyclist! I have a close shave just about every time I go out!"

I think that it's sometimes much worse than inconsiderate, I think that some drivers actually "HATE" cyclists and wish us harm..

"I take my bike out with the mindset everyone is going to kill me. Have seen someone fly over a car door before and it's not pretty. Your word against his so get that helmet cam on and get him Ronnie Pickering style "

I agree here too, whenever I'm on two wheels I ride like they're all trying to kill me. I really must start wearing the GoPro when I ride.

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Ive no evidence other than my word, & GMP are useless at this - ive tried before.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Ive no evidence other than my word, & GMP are useless at this - ive tried before."

It's worth reporting these things even if it's just to boost the crime figures. If there's no record of these crimes, then they don't have to accept that they happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you make a report against him, even if nothing comes of it then its logged, next time he does something like this theres two incidents and so on. It builds up and will get him

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Ive reported before & heard nothing back, doesn't instill confidence in the police I I'm honest.

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By *lashheartMan
over a year ago

shrewsbury

When I ride I'm always getting passed really close on fast roads.

And when I pass bikes and slow right down and pass on the other side of the road I get tooted at!

So many idiots now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just had a driver aim his car AT me, then lean out of his window yelling abuse.

My crime? To cycle more than a doors width away from parked cars as per training & govt safety advice.

He even admitted he'd done it to 'teach me a lesson'

I'm shaking now, ive been cycling for over 30yrs and this was the worst in a long time."

I've seen some real lunatic drivers where Cyclists are concerned, especially in the Peak District. Hope you're ok, I'm always a considerate driver, I'll look out for you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hope your ok xx

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By *indys loverCouple
over a year ago

Stratford on avon

unfortunately there are inconsiderate road users on all forms of transport bike users included and it is wrong to try and bully people of the road just because you are in a bigger vehicle ,...... our problem is that our country lanes arent safe enough to handle 2 riders riding abreast , i know you say you do it for safety reasons but if 2 cars have to use passing points to pass then its only reasonable that cyclists who insist on riding 2 abreast stop and use these passing points as well but for some reason they dont want to stop and they cause a lot of bad feeling ,,,,,,, will be interested on your thoughts as this thread has so far been mostly covered by cyclists

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did you get the reg?

Calm down, have a cup of tea, then find out who he is and slowly plot your revenge. Dogshit under the door handles is a good one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Best to use your cam as unless there was more than 2 people witnessing it to report it the police will do bugger all. Sorry to hear about it. Some humans are just a pile of shit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you make a report against him, even if nothing comes of it then its logged, next time he does something like this theres two incidents and so on. It builds up and will get him"

Agree. It takes your time and seems pointless but eventually he will get what's coming...

Wear the cam.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just had a driver aim his car AT me, then lean out of his window yelling abuse.

My crime? To cycle more than a doors width away from parked cars as per training & govt safety advice.

He even admitted he'd done it to 'teach me a lesson'

I'm shaking now, ive been cycling for over 30yrs and this was the worst in a long time."

(((HUG))) did you not get the car ref number?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just had a driver aim his car AT me, then lean out of his window yelling abuse.

My crime? To cycle more than a doors width away from parked cars as per training & govt safety advice.

He even admitted he'd done it to 'teach me a lesson'

I'm shaking now, ive been cycling for over 30yrs and this was the worst in a long time."

I notice that you're 5'2, it's amazing how many guys grow a huge pair of balls when facing someone they're confident they can intimidate.

Don't let the coward faze you.

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Oh he got out of the car to threaten me with violence - that's assault whether he touches you or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have a cam, never wanted to have to use it on my daily commute but I will from tomorrow.

Get your cam on, I never commute with out mine, if they can see it it tends to make them think twice. No one wants to become the next internet sensation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh he got out of the car to threaten me with violence - that's assault whether he touches you or not."

I get lots of people shouting abuse at me from car windows when I'm riding my bike, none of them ever get out and confront me though.

Can't think why.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No point in reporting it, not unless you have witnesses.

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Unfortunately, that's quite true.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe you swerved out too suddenly and scared the guy, maybe he was in shock. There are always 2 sides

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just had a driver aim his car AT me, then lean out of his window yelling abuse.

My crime? To cycle more than a doors width away from parked cars as per training & govt safety advice.

He even admitted he'd done it to 'teach me a lesson'

I'm shaking now, ive been cycling for over 30yrs and this was the worst in a long time."
Awwww sweety an Audi tt just did similar to me I gave him a right mouthful I got knocked off on roundabout the other week the guy appologised said he never saw me hehe hey hope you got his number

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What's with it these days, virtually everyone on the road seems to be in such a rush, is so short tempered and totally inconsiderate to other road users?

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"Maybe you swerved out too suddenly and scared the guy, maybe he was in shock. There are always 2 sides"

In this instance, complete rubbish. He pulled alongside then swung the wheel over.

He then told me it was to teach me a lesson because in his view I was too far into the road, ie I was riding away from the 'door zone' of parked cars. That's good cycling/motorcycling practice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe you swerved out too suddenly and scared the guy, maybe he was in shock. There are always 2 sides

In this instance, complete rubbish. He pulled alongside then swung the wheel over.

He then told me it was to teach me a lesson because in his view I was too far into the road, ie I was riding away from the 'door zone' of parked cars. That's good cycling/motorcycling practice."

Fair enough. But if thats where you usually cycle, how long does the line of traffic behind you usually stretch for?

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By *innamon!Woman
over a year ago

no matter

"I have a cam, never wanted to have to use it on my daily commute but I will from tomorrow.

I think in the end one needs to take precautions.nothing worse than aggressive drivers.At least you would have proof for the police.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe you swerved out too suddenly and scared the guy, maybe he was in shock. There are always 2 sides

In this instance, complete rubbish. He pulled alongside then swung the wheel over.

He then told me it was to teach me a lesson because in his view I was too far into the road, ie I was riding away from the 'door zone' of parked cars. That's good cycling/motorcycling practice."

Get him a copy of the highway code, show him exactly where you are entitled to ride then tear the relevant pages out, roll them up and shove them up his arse.

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"Maybe you swerved out too suddenly and scared the guy, maybe he was in shock. There are always 2 sides

In this instance, complete rubbish. He pulled alongside then swung the wheel over.

He then told me it was to teach me a lesson because in his view I was too far into the road, ie I was riding away from the 'door zone' of parked cars. That's good cycling/motorcycling practice.

Fair enough. But if thats where you usually cycle, how long does the line of traffic behind you usually stretch for?

It doesn't matter, safety is the important factor here. I move back inside when there aren't any parked cars.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh he got out of the car to threaten me with violence - that's assault whether he touches you or not.

I get lots of people shouting abuse at me from car windows when I'm riding my bike, none of them ever get out and confront me though.

Can't think why."

Same here! Always ask if they would like to stop and discuss the matter by the side of the road! Out the way of traffic! And cctv

And always wave and say hi the the nice drivers who toot at me

It's nice tobe nice

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By *uessWhosBackAgainMan
over a year ago

London

I would love to hear the drivers version of events before i make a judgement

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Always use the camera it's there for your protection and once most see your using it they just drive off without the abuse I use mine every day out on the bike

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe you swerved out too suddenly and scared the guy, maybe he was in shock. There are always 2 sides

In this instance, complete rubbish. He pulled alongside then swung the wheel over.

He then told me it was to teach me a lesson because in his view I was too far into the road, ie I was riding away from the 'door zone' of parked cars. That's good cycling/motorcycling practice.

Fair enough. But if thats where you usually cycle, how long does the line of traffic behind you usually stretch for?

It doesn't matter, safety is the important factor here. I move back inside when there aren't any parked cars.

And you check your mirror when pulling out into the middle of the road? Can you always judge the speed of traffic coming up behind you? And what if its coming too fast to pull out into the middle of the road? Do you stop behind each parked car until its clear?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe you swerved out too suddenly and scared the guy, maybe he was in shock. There are always 2 sides

In this instance, complete rubbish. He pulled alongside then swung the wheel over.

He then told me it was to teach me a lesson because in his view I was too far into the road, ie I was riding away from the 'door zone' of parked cars. That's good cycling/motorcycling practice.

Fair enough. But if thats where you usually cycle, how long does the line of traffic behind you usually stretch for?

It doesn't matter, safety is the important factor here. I move back inside when there aren't any parked cars.

If the car drivers behind are too stupid to see the cyclist in front and slow down accordingly, they shouldn't be on the road.

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Its strange how these people are in such a desperate hurry they are prepared to physically remove you from the road, then have all the time in the world for an argument...

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"Maybe you swerved out too suddenly and scared the guy, maybe he was in shock. There are always 2 sides

In this instance, complete rubbish. He pulled alongside then swung the wheel over.

He then told me it was to teach me a lesson because in his view I was too far into the road, ie I was riding away from the 'door zone' of parked cars. That's good cycling/motorcycling practice.

Fair enough. But if thats where you usually cycle, how long does the line of traffic behind you usually stretch for?

It doesn't matter, safety is the important factor here. I move back inside when there aren't any parked cars.

That is why primary & secondary positions are taught, even in secondary a driver behind must actually make a manoeuvre to overtake, not blithely pass in the same lane.

Primary is taken to prevent an overtake where it is inappropriate/dangerous.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe you swerved out too suddenly and scared the guy, maybe he was in shock. There are always 2 sides

In this instance, complete rubbish. He pulled alongside then swung the wheel over.

He then told me it was to teach me a lesson because in his view I was too far into the road, ie I was riding away from the 'door zone' of parked cars. That's good cycling/motorcycling practice.

Fair enough. But if thats where you usually cycle, how long does the line of traffic behind you usually stretch for?

It doesn't matter, safety is the important factor here. I move back inside when there aren't any parked cars.

If the car drivers behind are too stupid to see the cyclist in front and slow down accordingly, they shouldn't be on the road. "

And this is the attitude that gets cyclists injured

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"unfortunately there are inconsiderate road users on all forms of transport bike users included and it is wrong to try and bully people of the road just because you are in a bigger vehicle ,...... our problem is that our country lanes arent safe enough to handle 2 riders riding abreast , i know you say you do it for safety reasons but if 2 cars have to use passing points to pass then its only reasonable that cyclists who insist on riding 2 abreast stop and use these passing points as well but for some reason they dont want to stop and they cause a lot of bad feeling ,,,,,,, will be interested on your thoughts as this thread has so far been mostly covered by cyclists"

He/she sorry don't know which one you identify has? Wasn't riding 2 they were on there own just riding in a save position on the road, also it is perfectly legal for cyclist to ride 2 a breast on the road why should they pull in and stop to let cars past? Should caravan drivers do that? Horse riders? Tractors? There is no excuse for driving your car towards anyone cyclist pedestrian other vehicles,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe you swerved out too suddenly and scared the guy, maybe he was in shock. There are always 2 sides

In this instance, complete rubbish. He pulled alongside then swung the wheel over.

He then told me it was to teach me a lesson because in his view I was too far into the road, ie I was riding away from the 'door zone' of parked cars. That's good cycling/motorcycling practice.

Fair enough. But if thats where you usually cycle, how long does the line of traffic behind you usually stretch for?

It doesn't matter, safety is the important factor here. I move back inside when there aren't any parked cars.

If the car drivers behind are too stupid to see the cyclist in front and slow down accordingly, they shouldn't be on the road.

And this is the attitude that gets cyclists injured"

No the attitude that gets cyclist injured is your attitude that cyclist should stop at every parked car and let cars past and then try to pull out from behind the car because that is a safe way to ride a bike,

Why do people think it is acceptable to try and threaten and intimidate cyclist? People get in their little metal box and think they are invincible and untouchable

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe you swerved out too suddenly and scared the guy, maybe he was in shock. There are always 2 sides

In this instance, complete rubbish. He pulled alongside then swung the wheel over.

He then told me it was to teach me a lesson because in his view I was too far into the road, ie I was riding away from the 'door zone' of parked cars. That's good cycling/motorcycling practice.

Fair enough. But if thats where you usually cycle, how long does the line of traffic behind you usually stretch for?

It doesn't matter, safety is the important factor here. I move back inside when there aren't any parked cars.

If the car drivers behind are too stupid to see the cyclist in front and slow down accordingly, they shouldn't be on the road.

And this is the attitude that gets cyclists injured

Why do people think it is acceptable to try and threaten and intimidate cyclist? People get in their little metal box and think they are invincible and untouchable"

I didnt say that cyclists should do that. And I am talking about the attitude that if a driver can't see me then he shouldn't be on the road. Bang oops too late.It is some of the people on bicycles who think they are invincible

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are terrible examples of both cyclists and drivers on the road.

Cyclists are especially vulnerable to road rage tho as they can't lock themselves in a steel cage. This means that they are more exposed to the crazies.

Plus there has been a growing tendency for cyclists to become militant.

Cars and bikes should be kept apart for the sake of every one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe you swerved out too suddenly and scared the guy, maybe he was in shock. There are always 2 sides

In this instance, complete rubbish. He pulled alongside then swung the wheel over.

He then told me it was to teach me a lesson because in his view I was too far into the road, ie I was riding away from the 'door zone' of parked cars. That's good cycling/motorcycling practice.

Fair enough. But if thats where you usually cycle, how long does the line of traffic behind you usually stretch for?

It doesn't matter, safety is the important factor here. I move back inside when there aren't any parked cars.

If the car drivers behind are too stupid to see the cyclist in front and slow down accordingly, they shouldn't be on the road.

And this is the attitude that gets cyclists injured

Why do people think it is acceptable to try and threaten and intimidate cyclist? People get in their little metal box and think they are invincible and untouchable

I agree some cyclist are complete fucktards, but I also think yes if a car driver cannot see a cyclist and make adjustments to compensate for a cyclist having to pull out for a parked car then no they shouldn't be on the road

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By *indys loverCouple
over a year ago

Stratford on avon

its a he ,,,, i didnt say it was right to drive him of the road and i realise that he was cycling on his own, please read my post again, what i am trying to say is that cyclists in my experience hardly ever pull over , along the country lane that i drive along 8 or 10 or maybe 30 times a day it is not unusual to have well in excess of 200 cyclists a day at the weekend and if theres a cycle ride organised then well in excess of a 1000 ,no problem in that at all , its a lovely part of the country ,but most of time these cyclists are on a mission to get back home in as quick a time as possible , yet again no problem in that , what ever floats your boat , but because they wont stop at the pull in points when they are near one then it is them who is trying to force other vehicles off the road ,, the pull in points along our lane just happen to be on both sides of the road for a reason !!!!,, is there a law which states that a cycle has right of way over another vehicle ? ,,, may be there is ,, im all for give and take but on a sunday morning it is very frustrating to say the least ,

2 ambulance visits along our lane in 18 months , both times injured cyclists , i dont want to see anymore hurt but im afraid sooner or later theres going to be a more tragic reason for an ambulance to be called ,,,,,,

to me its just plain common sense if you want to road race along narrow country lanes with blind corners and gravel and what ever on the roads then sooner or later you will come a cropper

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Personally I dont do these large events, I'm too tight to pay £50 for the privilege of riding a route I can ride anytime I want!

As for narrow lanes, if the lane is down to a single lane width - ie no white line - then I'll ride bang in the middle, if I can't see what's coming round the bend then the driver begin me certainly can't, so he can wait til I can see the way is clear & THEN I'll move over - IF there is enough room to do so without putting me at risk.

I'll sometimes stop & let them past, but again that's my decision to make.

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Oh yes, I object to being referred to as 'it'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Personally I dont do these large events, I'm too tight to pay £50 for the privilege of riding a route I can ride anytime I want!

I'll sometimes stop & let them past, but again that's my decision to make."

You will ride right in the middle?

Please stop before you kill yourself or someone else

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

Sadly that is the type of driver out there nowadays, sad really how things have gone bad.

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"Personally I dont do these large events, I'm too tight to pay £50 for the privilege of riding a route I can ride anytime I want!

I'll sometimes stop & let them past, but again that's my decision to make.

You will ride right in the middle?

Please stop before you kill yourself or someone else"

Read my words. I cycle in the middle of the lane where it is appropriate & where the lane is too narrow to support a cycle & vehicle side by side.

This is official govt advice, it is training offered by govt approved & local authority delivered training schemes.

You should go away & look up Primary & Secondary Positions for cycling on the road, but I'll make it easy for you.

Look at the lane ahead. Divide it into three equal widths. Secondary position is at minimum the first line from the left, roughly one metre away from the kerb. Training teaches cyclists NEVER to ride closer to the kerb than that line. This is done to keep the rider in the drivers eyeline, to avoid roadside debris & to give the rider a 'bail out space'.

Primary position is between the second imagined line & the road centre/white line.

This position should be adopted when the roadway is too narrow to accommodate a vehicle & cycle side by side. This can be because of parked cars, traffic islands or simply because the lane is too narrow. It is also to be adopted when going around unsighted corners, to prevent the vehicle behind overtaking.

It should also be adopted when approaching junctions, in order that vehicles attempting to enter the carriageway can see you & to ensure you are not hidden by street furniture, foliage etc.

Its not a difficult concept to grasp.

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By *i1971Man
over a year ago

Cornwall

Don't let idiots like that stop you from cycling. I routinely get shouted at, including "get on the f***ing pavement". Unless it's a designated cycle lane, it's unlawful for adults to cycle on the pavement - a fact that have managed to shout back through their windows when I've caught up with them at lights

Also get people passing SO close, and have even been caught by a wing mirror in the past.

Better to report it, even though the police won't do anything about it. It's logged. If the pillock does anything similar again, the police could refer back to the earlier report as well & you're slowly building the case against him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've been "doored" on a bike. No fun AT ALL. Luckily I landed on my feet, as there was a bus coming.

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

I've been "doored" on a bike. No fun AT ALL. Luckily I landed on my feet, as there was a bus coming. "

It seems there are more than a few people out there who can't grasp the concept of road positioning as safety, its taught to motorcyclists, its taught to cyclists, why isn't it part of the general driving test?

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

There's even a govt issued poster telling cyclists to

"Cyclists, ride central on narrow roads"

Yet apparently this is wrong?

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over a year ago

"Ive no evidence other than my word, & GMP are useless at this - ive tried before."

make a complaint. you don't need evidence. the police will write to him informing him its on record and if he comes to there attention again this will be held against him too. may make him think in future, sending hugs.

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By *atinbootsTV/TS
over a year ago

Market Rasen

"Whoooo are you, who ooh, who ooh, Ronnie Pickering!!"

Yep there's some real knobheads on the roads. Just be careful and report it to the police- whilst they might not be able to do anything, there's always a chance that it might have been caught on cctv so the wanker can have the book thrown at him. Hard.

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By *issBiWoman
over a year ago

Bournemouth

Hi, I ride a cycle, I personally think all road transport should be registered, ie reg plates and insured and MOT. I think crash helmets should be worn and headfones shouldn't. Cyclist need to be held responsible for accidents and damage they cause without 'hit, damage/kill and run'. I also drive a car and think drivers should all ride a cycle to get a feel of what and how they are putting others in danger also

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"Hi, I ride a cycle, I personally think all road transport should be registered, ie reg plates and insured and MOT. I think crash helmets should be worn and headfones shouldn't. Cyclist need to be held responsible for accidents and damage they cause without 'hit, damage/kill and run'. I also drive a car and think drivers should all ride a cycle to get a feel of what and how they are putting others in danger also"

I'd agree with you apart from the points that helmets don't actually offer much protection, they aren't designed to protect from a vehicular impact & most trauma suffered by injured cyclists is to other parts of the body.

Registration has been tried in several countries & is shown not to work, it simply costs too much to implement for the returns - how do you decide when a child should register for example?

An MOT is not a bad idea, but again how do you implement it?

Cyclists are already responsible under law for any damage caused, you take them to court like any other case of loss.

Remember that cyclists use the road by Statutory Right under common law, so in order to enforce helmets, registration etc it would also be applicable to pedestrians, fancy wearing a helmet & a sign around your neck to walk to the shops?

One final point, 51% of all head injury fatalities in the UK occur inside motor vehicles, why is no one campaigning for driving helmets as it would save many more lives than a thin polystyrene hat!

Cycle helmets work very well in the area for which they are designed - slow speed falls under 12mph impact from 1 vertical metre. They are great for preventing bumps & scrapes, completely useless against a ton+ car moving at 30mph.

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By *indys loverCouple
over a year ago

Stratford on avon

"Oh yes, I object to being referred to as 'it'."

the 'It' i was referring to was infact myself as the person answering my post didnt know if it was a she or he , nothing untoward meant at all

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By *raceytvcdTV/TS
over a year ago

mansfield

to me its just plain common sense if you want to road race along narrow country lanes with blind corners and gravel and what ever on the roads then sooner or later you will come a cropper "
if you read the highway code a cyclist doesnt have to pull over they have as much right on the road as any other road user.when you took your driving test did they not tell you only to make an overtakinp manuvour when it is safe to do so!!!

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

Registration has been tried in several countries & is shown not to work, it simply costs too much to implement for the returns - how do you decide when a child should register for example?

An MOT is not a bad idea, but again how do you implement it?

Cyclists are already responsible under law for any damage caused, you take them to court like any other case of loss.

One final point, 51% of all head injury fatalities in the UK occur inside motor vehicles, why is no one campaigning for driving helmets as it would save many more lives than a thin polystyrene hat!

Sorry to be very picky, vertical falls only from a Snell b90 conforming helmet will protect you.

It is a sad place we live in that car drivers can bully cyclists and other road users, report th em and nothing gets done. I was knocked off my bikevyears ago by a driving instructor, he lied to the police and got away with it.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

to me its just plain common sense if you want to road race along narrow country lanes with blind corners and gravel and what ever on the roads then sooner or later you will come a cropper if you read the highway code a cyclist doesnt have to pull over they have as much right on the road as any other road user.when you took your driving test did they not tell you only to make an overtakinp manuvour when it is safe to do so!!!"

It does mention that a vehicle has to give 3 foot clearance when passing through the cyclist, not many drivers seem to know that that one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Personally I dont do these large events, I'm too tight to pay £50 for the privilege of riding a route I can ride anytime I want!

I'll sometimes stop & let them past, but again that's my decision to make.

You will ride right in the middle?

Please stop before you kill yourself or someone else

Read my words. I cycle in the middle of the lane where it is appropriate & where the lane is too narrow to support a cycle & vehicle side by side.

This is official govt advice, it is training offered by govt approved & local authority delivered training schemes.

You should go away & look up Primary & Secondary Positions for cycling on the road, but I'll make it easy for you.

Primary position is between the second imagined line & the road centre/white line.

It should also be adopted when approaching junctions, in order that vehicles attempting to enter the carriageway can see you & to ensure you are not hidden by street furniture, foliage etc.

Its not a difficult concept to grasp."

Nowhere did you say where it was appropriate.

If you think that driving down the middle of a narrow lane when you can't see what is coming, as you have said, is a good idea and a safe way to ride then good luck to you. I give up.

And frankly my sympathies now lie with the driver who spoke to you earlier

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Registration has been tried in several countries & is shown not to work, it simply costs too much to implement for the returns - how do you decide when a child should register for example?

An MOT is not a bad idea, but again how do you implement it?

Cyclists are already responsible under law for any damage caused, you take them to court like any other case of loss.

One final point, 51% of all head injury fatalities in the UK occur inside motor vehicles, why is no one campaigning for driving helmets as it would save many more lives than a thin polystyrene hat!

Sorry to be very picky, vertical falls only from a Snell b90 conforming helmet will protect you.

Yes, sorry you are right about the Snell test.

Cycle helmets just aren't the panacea many seem to think they are, in fact usually when non cyclists talk about them they are actually talking about absolving the motorist who hits the cyclist of any responsibility, because "he wasn't wearing a helmet". Its a red herring & a tired old trope.

Its interesting to see how a thread about a driver using his vehicle to commit an assault turns into an attack on cyclists though isn't it?

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By *indys loverCouple
over a year ago

Stratford on avon

to me its just plain common sense if you want to road race along narrow country lanes with blind corners and gravel and what ever on the roads then sooner or later you will come a cropper if you read the highway code a cyclist doesnt have to pull over they have as much right on the road as any other road user.when you took your driving test did they not tell you only to make an overtakinp manuvour when it is safe to do so!!!"

I quite agree a cyclist has as much right to be on the road my gripe is that they wont stop and use the passing places we have on our lanes , if i come across a passing place i pull over but if i am 300 or 400 yds from my next one and a cyclist rides past his do you think it expected that i reverse back to the one i passed a couple of hundred yds back ,,,,, as i said its all down to common sense but because some folk want to get home to slice 8 secs of there previous personal best they wont pull over to allow a safe pass on the lane .

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By *raceytvcdTV/TS
over a year ago

mansfield

Iam on the road all the time hgv driver ,car driver and 1600cc harley rider and sometimes cycle.if anyones unsure as to the law of a cyclist google highway code regarding cyclists.

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By *indys loverCouple
over a year ago

Stratford on avon

to me its just plain common sense if you want to road race along narrow country lanes with blind corners and gravel and what ever on the roads then sooner or later you will come a cropper if you read the highway code a cyclist doesnt have to pull over they have as much right on the road as any other road user.when you took your driving test did they not tell you only to make an overtakinp manuvour when it is safe to do so!!!

It does mention that a vehicle has to give 3 foot clearance when passing through the cyclist, not many drivers seem to know that that one."

Okay ; lets try and make this clear ,,,, i am on country lanes , when I pull right over to the left hand side there wont be a three foot clearance ,,,,, this is why we have passing places , except not every one think they have to use them for some bizarre reason

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe you swerved out too suddenly and scared the guy, maybe he was in shock. There are always 2 sides

In this instance, complete rubbish. He pulled alongside then swung the wheel over.

He then told me it was to teach me a lesson because in his view I was too far into the road, ie I was riding away from the 'door zone' of parked cars. That's good cycling/motorcycling practice.

Fair enough. But if thats where you usually cycle, how long does the line of traffic behind you usually stretch for?

It doesn't matter, safety is the important factor here. I move back inside when there aren't any parked cars.

If the car drivers behind are too stupid to see the cyclist in front and slow down accordingly, they shouldn't be on the road.

And this is the attitude that gets cyclists injured"

I mean the drivers are too stupid to be on the road.

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By *raceytvcdTV/TS
over a year ago

mansfield

"Personally I dont do these large events, I'm too tight to pay £50 for the privilege of riding a route I can ride anytime I want!

I'll sometimes stop & let them past, but again that's my decision to make."
this is called defencive riding and perfectly legal its what most good motorcyclists will do xt

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By *raceytvcdTV/TS
over a year ago

mansfield

A so called passing place are for vehicles coming in opposite directions, not overtaking points as such,though common sence should come into play as been quoted i.e tractor/cyclist xt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just had a driver aim his car AT me, then lean out of his window yelling abuse.

My crime? To cycle more than a doors width away from parked cars as per training & govt safety advice.

He even admitted he'd done it to 'teach me a lesson'

I'm shaking now, ive been cycling for over 30yrs and this was the worst in a long time."

Happened to a friend of mine this week. A young lady pushed my mate off via his pannier. Then stopped and told him he shouldnt have been further from the kerb than 12 inchs. Im sorry to say he was to shocked to break her nose before she drove away.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A so called passing place are for vehicles coming in opposite directions, not overtaking points as such,though common sence should come into play as been quoted i.e tractor/cyclist xt"

So cyclists never do anything which could cause injury to pedestrians? I've lost count the amount of times a cyclist has gone straight through a red light/green man and hurled abuse at the pedestrians. Or the time a cyclist smashed my wing mirror off when I was parked and just cycled off? All road users need to be responsible some cyclists shouldn't be on the road eg the muppet who was cycling down a country lane with no lights on and no reflectors or hi-viz vests.

I don't understand op that if you have whitnessed other incidents why you don't recorded it using your clearly identifiable helmet cam? Maybe the driver would have acted different? Incidentally what did you say back to him after the abuse he gave you?

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By *indys loverCouple
over a year ago

Stratford on avon

"A so called passing place are for vehicles coming in opposite directions, not overtaking points as such,though common sence should come into play as been quoted i.e tractor/cyclist xt"

sorry should of made myself clear , i was always talking about passing and never meant overtaking

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"A so called passing place are for vehicles coming in opposite directions, not overtaking points as such,though common sence should come into play as been quoted i.e tractor/cyclist xt

I didn't have my helmetcam on today,ive never used it for road riding & have never felt the need til now.

It was bought for making mtb films.

I tried to explain why I was riding in Primary position away from car doors, but that was to no avail. Because of that I asked if he'd done it on purpose & he replied he'd done it to teach me a lesson - wish I had that on camera!

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"A so called passing place are for vehicles coming in opposite directions, not overtaking points as such,though common sence should come into play as been quoted i.e tractor/cyclist xt

sorry should of made myself clear , i was always talking about passing and never meant overtaking "

Passing oncoming vehicles - whatever they may be - on singletrack roads just takes patience,courtesy & common sense. Overtaking on singletrack roads is just bloody stupid regardless of the vehicles involved.

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By *indys loverCouple
over a year ago

Stratford on avon

"A so called passing place are for vehicles coming in opposite directions, not overtaking points as such,though common sence should come into play as been quoted i.e tractor/cyclist xt

sorry should of made myself clear , i was always talking about passing and never meant overtaking

very true

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Well, I wore the camera this morning - uneventful commute so nothing to report.

I did wonder if the very sight of the camera on my helmet was altering matters, as the car begin me was being very accommodating - turned out to be a colleague so not exactly a comprehensive test!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just glad your okay x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well, I wore the camera this morning - uneventful commute so nothing to report.

I did wonder if the very sight of the camera on my helmet was altering matters, as the car begin me was being very accommodating - turned out to be a colleague so not exactly a comprehensive test!

I think all vehicles should have a camera, one that cannot be altered either. I can imagine how many cameras will suddenly be faulty when the operator is at fault.

You'll probably find that people will behave around you with your can on. The only thing I'm not so sure about is the legality of recording someone without warning.

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space"

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

With digital costs shrinking and no win no fee costs of lawyers on the rise, I'm surprised that the national association of insurers are not suggesting discounts to have camera s installed and running.

It will save them more money than a black box. In fact it would for most people just require an app for the phone to record and rewrite every ten minutes.

Obviously you can use your phone in a car. I would not suggest it as a bike camera.

The added bonus is if it was being used as a road camera it would stop it being used for texts and phone calls.

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By *angerousEyesMan
over a year ago

weston

"Well, I wore the camera this morning - uneventful commute so nothing to report.

I did wonder if the very sight of the camera on my helmet was altering matters, as the car begin me was being very accommodating - turned out to be a colleague so not exactly a comprehensive test!

"
maybe the cam changed your attitude. Some bikers are utter dicks, consider you will always be worse off verses a metal box!

Always remember following a bike down a 50 mph road doing about 30 right out in the middle of the road head down really going for it beeped my horn,twat didn't even look up!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space""

What a load of bolox

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space"

What a load of bolox"

Show me otherwise then. Its perfectly legal to film anyone in a public space without their permission.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space"

What a load of bolox

Show me otherwise then. Its perfectly legal to film anyone in a public space without their permission."

Ok I'll come along and film under your skirt or tape your private conversation

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By *uss.in.bootsWoman
over a year ago

Warwick

Very melodramatic however if someone was making an attempt to really hit a cyclist they would have. I guess its more about getting attention claiming that though.

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"Very melodramatic however if someone was making an attempt to really hit a cyclist they would have. I guess its more about getting attention claiming that though."

Its what the driver said, can only go off his words.

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space"

What a load of bolox

Show me otherwise then. Its perfectly legal to film anyone in a public space without their permission.

Ok I'll come along and film under your skirt or tape your private conversation"

Its legal. Google it. I'll wait..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well, I wore the camera this morning - uneventful commute so nothing to report.

I did wonder if the very sight of the camera on my helmet was altering matters, as the car begin me was being very accommodating - turned out to be a colleague so not exactly a comprehensive test!

maybe the cam changed your attitude. Some bikers are utter dicks, consider you will always be worse off verses a metal box!

Always remember following a bike down a 50 mph road doing about 30 right out in the middle of the road head down really going for it beeped my horn,twat didn't even look up!"

Why did you sound your horn?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space"

What a load of bolox

Show me otherwise then. Its perfectly legal to film anyone in a public space without their permission.

Ok I'll come along and film under your skirt or tape your private conversation

Its legal. Google it. I'll wait.."

Don' need to Ive given you an example that is illegal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is there a difference between a helmet cam and a dashboard cam then? Because if the dash cam is legal (it is) then surely the helmet cam is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm an everyday cyclist myself but don't use cameras as when my friends that are "camera'd up" have actually presented footage of some absolutely outrageous incidents the police really don't want to know it anyway.

I'm not actually that Kean on adding cameras to my list of things to keep charging,removing from the bike when I go in shops etc and not to mention keeping footage or whatever.

Almost makes me wanna take the bus instead

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space"

What a load of bolox

Show me otherwise then. Its perfectly legal to film anyone in a public space without their permission.

Ok I'll come along and film under your skirt or tape your private conversation

Its legal. Google it. I'll wait..

Don' need to Ive given you an example that is illegal"

No, you havent. Inside a persons clothes is not public space, a private conversation by definition cannot be held in a public space.

Its legal to film. Argue all you like, you are wrong. That's not my view, that's the legal view.

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"Is there a difference between a helmet cam and a dashboard cam then? Because if the dash cam is legal (it is) then surely the helmet cam is."

Under current law, no.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have you seen the fly6?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space""

You still have to display a sign that states your using cctv. In public councils need to display this. Otherwise as someone else has stated it would be legal to film upskirts or take a camera into a changing room or a nursery.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space"

Thank you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well, I wore the camera this morning - uneventful commute so nothing to report.

I did wonder if the very sight of the camera on my helmet was altering matters, as the car begin me was being very accommodating - turned out to be a colleague so not exactly a comprehensive test!

maybe the cam changed your attitude. Some bikers are utter dicks, consider you will always be worse off verses a metal box!

Always remember following a bike down a 50 mph road doing about 30 right out in the middle of the road head down really going for it beeped my horn,twat didn't even look up!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space"

What a ridiculous statement, how are nurserys and changing rooms public places?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space"

What a ridiculous statement, how are nurserys and changing rooms public places? "

Because they are open to the public?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Actually it's is legal to take photo or video of public areas. However if you take photos or video of an individual then it becomes a civil matter therefore your better off seeking their permission. Hence why people/organisations display a cctv warning.

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space"

That's quite true - for CCTV. There is no requirement for that with regards to helmet or dashboard cameras, which are perfectly legal to use in a public space.

There is relevant law about what you do with that footage regarding social media, but the actual act of recording is legal, no matter what some may argue. Legal opinion has already stated this, which is why I quoted

"there can be no expectation of privacy in a public space".

That is the considered legal opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space"

What a ridiculous statement, how are nurserys and changing rooms public places? "

As previously stated they are open to public! In many nurseries and schools videoing your child performing in a school play is banned! What about a public swimming pool again not allowed to film for obvious reasons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space"

That's quite true - for CCTV. There is no requirement for that with regards to helmet or dashboard cameras, which are perfectly legal to use in a public space.

"there can be no expectation of privacy in a public space".

That is the considered legal opinion."

So in effect all people need to do is change the camera? I.e. If I have helmet cam on and walk into a public swimming pool I'm legal? (Not that I would)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As well as being an everyday cyclist I'm also a twenty odd year driver so I'm not interested in all the bollocks other drivers go on about cyclists and road tax etc.

I do however notice that as soon as a cyclist mentions the unquestionably awful beaviour of a driver like the OP has there then sparks an undercurrent of quite nasty comments as if its just not possible that they could be a safe and competent rider and they can't be in some way to blame.

Let's be honest anyone has only got to go out in their own car for a short while to see plenty of shit driving and how many times have you had a near miss which wasn't your fault and yet the other party starts shouting and mouthing off like their in no way to blame and its all your fault??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Different rules for publicly accessible private land I'm afraid.

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By *angerousEyesMan
over a year ago

weston

"Well, I wore the camera this morning - uneventful commute so nothing to report.

I did wonder if the very sight of the camera on my helmet was altering matters, as the car begin me was being very accommodating - turned out to be a colleague so not exactly a comprehensive test!

maybe the cam changed your attitude. Some bikers are utter dicks, consider you will always be worse off verses a metal box!

Always remember following a bike down a 50 mph road doing about 30 right out in the middle of the road head down really going for it beeped my horn,twat didn't even look up!

Some cyclists are dicks as are some car driver, why would you beep your horn at a cyclist doing 30mph? What if he had looked up lost control and fallen off? Would you beep your horn at a car doing 30 in a 50? No, would you beep your horn at horse rider again no, so from your description it sounds like the only dick was in the vehicle not the cyclist"
I would sound my horn at anyone if the the same situation arouse. It would have been hilarious apart from the fact he was pretty badly hurt, if he had looked up he would have seen the traffic stopped in front of him and not hit the back of a van head first.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You made that up! Lol good effort!

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space"

That's quite true - for CCTV. There is no requirement for that with regards to helmet or dashboard cameras, which are perfectly legal to use in a public space.

"there can be no expectation of privacy in a public space".

That is the considered legal opinion.

So in effect all people need to do is change the camera? I.e. If I have helmet cam on and walk into a public swimming pool I'm legal? (Not that I would)"

I doubt that, as other laws will most probably come into effect at that point. The definitions will change as the situation & potential for harm changes - the collection of incriminating evidence of illegality and the collection of footage of semi naked children would seem to be very different situations.

It is currently legal to use helmet cameras on UK roads. But is a swimming baths a 'public space'? Public have paying access but they don't have a right of access so different laws will be in place there I think.

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"As well as being an everyday cyclist I'm also a twenty odd year driver so I'm not interested in all the bollocks other drivers go on about cyclists and road tax etc.

Regarding the anti stuff, its par for the course I'm afraid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just had a driver aim his car AT me, then lean out of his window yelling abuse.

My crime? To cycle more than a doors width away from parked cars as per training & govt safety advice.

He even admitted he'd done it to 'teach me a lesson'

I'm shaking now, ive been cycling for over 30yrs and this was the worst in a long time."

some people are just utter idiots

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space"

That's quite true - for CCTV. There is no requirement for that with regards to helmet or dashboard cameras, which are perfectly legal to use in a public space.

"there can be no expectation of privacy in a public space".

That is the considered legal opinion.

So in effect all people need to do is change the camera? I.e. If I have helmet cam on and walk into a public swimming pool I'm legal? (Not that I would)

So I could walk down the road 2 feet behind someone filming their arse for as long as I liked and there is nothing they could do about it because I am doing nothing wrong and they have no right to privacy when in a public space?

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over a year ago

Don't be daft.

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over a year ago

"Well, I wore the camera this morning - uneventful commute so nothing to report.

I did wonder if the very sight of the camera on my helmet was altering matters, as the car begin me was being very accommodating - turned out to be a colleague so not exactly a comprehensive test!

Good.

There's some real idiots about.....

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space"

That's quite true - for CCTV. There is no requirement for that with regards to helmet or dashboard cameras, which are perfectly legal to use in a public space.

"there can be no expectation of privacy in a public space".

That is the considered legal opinion.

So in effect all people need to do is change the camera? I.e. If I have helmet cam on and walk into a public swimming pool I'm legal? (Not that I would)

Depends on what other laws are being broken by that act. The act of filming with a helmetcam is of itself not illegal, what is done with that footage may be. It will come down to 'why' the footage is shot - filming for evidence in the case of an incident will be very different to filming for gratuitous reasons.

The fact remains that helmetcam use is legal, whether you accept that or not is irrelevant.

Why not try a test case with the next cyclist/motorcyclist you see with a camera? Try taking them to court, I'm sure we'll all follow the case with interest..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you have an issue go and ask halfords they sell loads. Helmet cams and dashboard cams.

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over a year ago

So sorry this happened to you Sara. Really glad he didn't hit you.

I hope you report him and it's covered by cctv. You shouldn't just let it go. It's a matter of time until he escalates his actions.

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"So sorry this happened to you Sara. Really glad he didn't hit you.

I hope you report him and it's covered by cctv. You shouldn't just let it go. It's a matter of time until he escalates his actions. "

Unfortunately I don't have any evidence or his reg plate - I did, but forgot it as the adrenaline wore down.

The camera is now being worn in part in case he makes any further attempts at aggressive driving or assault.

TBH ive already collected footage of two drivers blatantly running red lights right in front of me, if I thought it would do any good I'd report it, but the police almost certainly won't act. Suppose that makes me part of the problem doesn't it?

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over a year ago

"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space"

What a ridiculous statement, how are nurserys and changing rooms public places?

Because they are open to the public?

They are open to members, you can2just walk in, they maybe public run like the swimming baths but they are private grounds, they are not open to anyone like a road is, to even try and compare changing room to the outside is ridiculous

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over a year ago

"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space"

That's quite true - for CCTV. There is no requirement for that with regards to helmet or dashboard cameras, which are perfectly legal to use in a public space.

"there can be no expectation of privacy in a public space".

That is the considered legal opinion.

So in effect all people need to do is change the camera? I.e. If I have helmet cam on and walk into a public swimming pool I'm legal? (Not that I would)

The fact remains that helmetcam use is legal, whether you accept that or not is irrelevant.

Why not try a test case with the next cyclist/motorcyclist you see with a camera? Try taking them to court, I'm sure we'll all follow the case with interest.."

But in your original post there was no mention of helmet cam you just said it was legal to film anyone in public without their permission and there was no mention of 'why' or what the film could be used for

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over a year ago

I explain things to children in the same way. Start simple, then gradually add information as their intellect allows.

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over a year ago

"Well, I wore the camera this morning - uneventful commute so nothing to report.

I did wonder if the very sight of the camera on my helmet was altering matters, as the car begin me was being very accommodating - turned out to be a colleague so not exactly a comprehensive test!

maybe the cam changed your attitude. Some bikers are utter dicks, consider you will always be worse off verses a metal box!

Always remember following a bike down a 50 mph road doing about 30 right out in the middle of the road head down really going for it beeped my horn,twat didn't even look up!

Some cyclists are dicks as are some car driver, why would you beep your horn at a cyclist doing 30mph? What if he had looked up lost control and fallen off? Would you beep your horn at a car doing 30 in a 50? No, would you beep your horn at horse rider again no, so from your description it sounds like the only dick was in the vehicle not the cyclist I would sound my horn at anyone if the the same situation arouse. It would have been hilarious apart from the fact he was pretty badly hurt, if he had looked up he would have seen the traffic stopped in front of him and not hit the back of a van head first."

Did he hit the back of the van head first? So let me get this right, you would laugh at someone you made fall off his bike at 30mph? Peoples stupidity really does astound me sometimes,

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space"

That's quite true - for CCTV. There is no requirement for that with regards to helmet or dashboard cameras, which are perfectly legal to use in a public space.

"there can be no expectation of privacy in a public space".

That is the considered legal opinion.

So in effect all people need to do is change the camera? I.e. If I have helmet cam on and walk into a public swimming pool I'm legal? (Not that I would)

The fact remains that helmetcam use is legal, whether you accept that or not is irrelevant.

Why not try a test case with the next cyclist/motorcyclist you see with a camera? Try taking them to court, I'm sure we'll all follow the case with interest..

Considering the post previous was about a helmetcam, the comment from another poster was about the legality of such & the considered legal opinion was in reference to that matter then its not exactly difficult to follow the dots is it?

The conversation is about the legality of using helmetcam's, it's not my problem if you find it too difficult to follow.

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"I explain things to children in the same way. Start simple, then gradually add information as their intellect allows."

You may be here some time..

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over a year ago

"I explain things to children in the same way. Start simple, then gradually add information as their intellect allows.

You may be here some time.."

Remember we're car drivers so were thick in the eyes of cyclists!! Who are clearly superior to anyone else!

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"I explain things to children in the same way. Start simple, then gradually add information as their intellect allows.

You may be here some time..

Remember we're car drivers so were thick in the eyes of cyclists!! Who are clearly superior to anyone else!"

You make the mistake of assuming they are two different creatures, remember that cyclists are overwhelmingly drivers too, just have a wider perspective on the subject.

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over a year ago

"I explain things to children in the same way. Start simple, then gradually add information as their intellect allows.

You may be here some time..

Remember we're car drivers so were thick in the eyes of cyclists!! Who are clearly superior to anyone else!

You make the mistake of assuming they are two different creatures, remember that cyclists are overwhelmingly drivers too, just have a wider perspective on the subject."

Maybe so but I often read that divers will admit to mistakes where as cyclists never seem to be in the wrong ever. Example you saw two motorists just red lights, on a typical day I see at least 6 cyclists do the same.

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"I explain things to children in the same way. Start simple, then gradually add information as their intellect allows.

You may be here some time..

Remember we're car drivers so were thick in the eyes of cyclists!! Who are clearly superior to anyone else!

You make the mistake of assuming they are two different creatures, remember that cyclists are overwhelmingly drivers too, just have a wider perspective on the subject.

My experience is different to yours, I rarely see a cyclist jump a red around here, I see several drivers at every major junction do it, maybe its peculiar to this location.

Studies do show that overall the numbers are broadly similar for both groups - after all, they are often the same people.

Red light jumping by cyclists is shown to be a factor in only 2% of cycle/vehicle collisions BTW.

As seen on this thread, there are those who have no idea of what the laws around cycling actually are, what actually represents safe cycling & how people should drive around cyclists & other vulnerable road users.

Those who cycle will have a better knowledge & broader perspective than those who don't in the main, simply because they see & experience road use from another angle.

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over a year ago

"I explain things to children in the same way. Start simple, then gradually add information as their intellect allows.

You may be here some time..

Remember we're car drivers so were thick in the eyes of cyclists!! Who are clearly superior to anyone else!

You make the mistake of assuming they are two different creatures, remember that cyclists are overwhelmingly drivers too, just have a wider perspective on the subject.

My experience is different to yours, I rarely see a cyclist jump a red around here, I see several drivers at every major junction do it, maybe its peculiar to this location.

Studies do show that overall the numbers are broadly similar for both groups - after all, they are often the same people.

Red light jumping by cyclists is shown to be a factor in only 2% of cycle/vehicle collisions BTW.

Those who cycle will have a better knowledge & broader perspective than those who don't in the main, simply because they see & experience road use from another angle."

Just because you read the laws and rules for safe cycling and try to follow them doesn't make it so, not in the real world, which shows if not a lack of intellect then a lack of common sense

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over a year ago

"I explain things to children in the same way. Start simple, then gradually add information as their intellect allows.

You may be here some time..

Remember we're car drivers so were thick in the eyes of cyclists!! Who are clearly superior to anyone else!

You make the mistake of assuming they are two different creatures, remember that cyclists are overwhelmingly drivers too, just have a wider perspective on the subject.

My experience is different to yours, I rarely see a cyclist jump a red around here, I see several drivers at every major junction do it, maybe its peculiar to this location.

Studies do show that overall the numbers are broadly similar for both groups - after all, they are often the same people.

Red light jumping by cyclists is shown to be a factor in only 2% of cycle/vehicle collisions BTW.

Those who cycle will have a better knowledge & broader perspective than those who don't in the main, simply because they see & experience road use from another angle.

Just because you read the laws and rules for safe cycling and try to follow them doesn't make it so, not in the real world, which shows if not a lack of intellect then a lack of common sense"

This is getting a bit silly now and just becoming a snidey dig.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

'I read it from a book' derr

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over a year ago

"I explain things to children in the same way. Start simple, then gradually add information as their intellect allows.

You may be here some time..

Remember we're car drivers so were thick in the eyes of cyclists!! Who are clearly superior to anyone else!

You make the mistake of assuming they are two different creatures, remember that cyclists are overwhelmingly drivers too, just have a wider perspective on the subject.

Ah you often read! Because stories aren't made up to benefit whoever is writing them,

Although I will admit Halifax is bad for bad cyclist jumping lights, or jumping on the path to avoid red lights, actually makes me seethe with anger because their rash actions make people think all cyclists are like that

All it takes is a little cooperation between motor vehicles and bikes for everyone to get on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's terrible. I hope he wraps his precious car around a lamp post and had to get the bus to work.

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By *etitesara OP TV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"I explain things to children in the same way. Start simple, then gradually add information as their intellect allows.

You may be here some time..

Remember we're car drivers so were thick in the eyes of cyclists!! Who are clearly superior to anyone else!

You make the mistake of assuming they are two different creatures, remember that cyclists are overwhelmingly drivers too, just have a wider perspective on the subject.

My experience is different to yours, I rarely see a cyclist jump a red around here, I see several drivers at every major junction do it, maybe its peculiar to this location.

Studies do show that overall the numbers are broadly similar for both groups - after all, they are often the same people.

Red light jumping by cyclists is shown to be a factor in only 2% of cycle/vehicle collisions BTW.

Those who cycle will have a better knowledge & broader perspective than those who don't in the main, simply because they see & experience road use from another angle.

Just because you read the laws and rules for safe cycling and try to follow them doesn't make it so, not in the real world, which shows if not a lack of intellect then a lack of common sense"

Let me get this straight, you think that following the law, getting trained & understanding that training, then putting that training to use in a practical situation shows a lack of common sense???