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By *-and-K OP   Couple
over a year ago

Back of Beyond

We have friends in Bath who quite regularly use Bristol airport to hop over to Dublin for family reasons.

Its a 20 minute flight and yet they still have to check in 2 hours before hand because of security checks! The only way they have found to get around this is to book ryanair and travel with no luggage. Even then you are expected at the gate 30 minutes before the flight and on top of that you have to get through security, which can be another 30 minutes if its busy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We have friends in Bath who quite regularly use Bristol airport to hop over to Dublin for family reasons.

Its a 20 minute flight and yet they still have to check in 2 hours before hand because of security checks! The only way they have found to get around this is to book ryanair and travel with no luggage. Even then you are expected at the gate 30 minutes before the flight and on top of that you have to get through security, which can be another 30 minutes if its busy."

id happily queue for longer to make sure no one got on my plane with the wherewithal to blow it out of the skies.

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By *uro anchorMan
over a year ago

Coventry


"We have friends in Bath who quite regularly use Bristol airport to hop over to Dublin for family reasons.

Its a 20 minute flight and yet they still have to check in 2 hours before hand because of security checks! The only way they have found to get around this is to book ryanair and travel with no luggage. Even then you are expected at the gate 30 minutes before the flight and on top of that you have to get through security, which can be another 30 minutes if its busy.

id happily queue for longer to make sure no one got on my plane with the wherewithal to blow it out of the skies."

ur right.. total pain in the ass security.. they gone over the top... i blame the bloody yanks.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd queue all day and go through any security checks to ensure my safety!

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Living in the West Country I use Bristol Airport all the time, all I can say is I would rather check in Two hours before my flight time than checking in at the last minute and risk less security on my flights.

In the grand scheme of things is it that important?

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay


"We have friends in Bath who quite regularly use Bristol airport to hop over to Dublin for family reasons.

Its a 20 minute flight and yet they still have to check in 2 hours before hand because of security checks! The only way they have found to get around this is to book ryanair and travel with no luggage. Even then you are expected at the gate 30 minutes before the flight and on top of that you have to get through security, which can be another 30 minutes if its busy.

id happily queue for longer to make sure no one got on my plane with the wherewithal to blow it out of the skies.

ur right.. total pain in the ass security.. they gone over the top... i blame the bloody yanks....."

Yeah.....anyone would think they had lost thousands in a bloody airplane terrorist incident.....bloody Yanks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you were sitting on a plane doing a vertical dive from a couple of miles up because of an explosion I bet you would have wished those security checks had been tighter .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd queue all day and go through any security checks to ensure my safety!"

Me too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Me three xx

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By *uro anchorMan
over a year ago

Coventry

u only die once... what u going to do go through life being scared of everything... do understand security but its just gone mad... cant even take a drink through.. what u going to do attack the pilot with a bottle of pop? ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They cant do right for doing wrong can they?

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay


"u only die once... what u going to do go through life being scared of everything... do understand security but its just gone mad... cant even take a drink through.. what u going to do attack the pilot with a bottle of pop? ...."

You obviously missed the bit about two part explosive mixtures being taken onto airplanes didn't you?.....

Do you actually fly on a regular basis?

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By *uro anchorMan
over a year ago

Coventry


"u only die once... what u going to do go through life being scared of everything... do understand security but its just gone mad... cant even take a drink through.. what u going to do attack the pilot with a bottle of pop? ....

You obviously missed the bit about two part explosive mixtures being taken onto airplanes didn't you?.....

Do you actually fly on a regular basis?

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yes i gotta book one today i hope

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The security checks dont bother me as a have a family that i would like see grow up, but i do have a problem with the Patriot Act in that we are required to be fingerprinted (biometrically) and we are checked for criminal convictions. I was convicted of breach of the peace when i was 17 and ive been told that it would prevent me going to the US.

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By *-and-K OP   Couple
over a year ago

Back of Beyond

Most of you are missing the point. It is now widely recognised that the increased security does not work. If they want, stuff can still be taken aboard a plane. What you say is cock, you would have queued for two hours been checked and feel you are safe. Meanwhile a ink cartridge has undergone no security checks and been placed in the hold of the plane as cargo. BANG!! your dead, falling out of the sky, but safe in the knowledge you queued to be security checked.

The authorites have the wherewithal to conduct terrorist profiling, they choose not to do so. Think for a moment, who is likely to be a terrorist, the 70 year old granny going to see her grandkids, or the 20 something asian bloke? Who wold you choose? That may put it bluntly but that is what profiling is about. Its far better than what we endure now, let the authorities start using it.

They have made their point with aircraft, they have caused world wide chaos for air travel. They will now go after soft ground based targets like shopping centres,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd sooner stand for and extra couple of hours, if it means there is less of a chance that my plane will be blown out of the sky by a terrorists bomb ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *uro anchorMan
over a year ago

Coventry

You obviously missed the bit about two part explosive mixtures being taken onto airplanes didn't you?.....

thry make explosive solid too but they let me take solid objects through security....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Most of you are missing the point. It is now widely recognised that the increased security does not work. If they want, stuff can still be taken aboard a plane. What you say is cock, you would have queued for two hours been checked and feel you are safe. Meanwhile a ink cartridge has undergone no security checks and been placed in the hold of the plane as cargo. BANG!! your dead, falling out of the sky, but safe in the knowledge you queued to be security checked.

The authorites have the wherewithal to conduct terrorist profiling, they choose not to do so. Think for a moment, who is likely to be a terrorist, the 70 year old granny going to see her grandkids, or the 20 something asian bloke? Who wold you choose? That may put it bluntly but that is what profiling is about. Its far better than what we endure now, let the authorities start using it.

They have made their point with aircraft, they have caused world wide chaos for air travel. They will now go after soft ground based targets like shopping centres, "

They already did the ground - 7/7

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By *andKCouple
over a year ago

Norfolk


"Most of you are missing the point. It is now widely recognised that the increased security does not work. If they want, stuff can still be taken aboard a plane. What you say is cock, you would have queued for two hours been checked and feel you are safe. Meanwhile a ink cartridge has undergone no security checks and been placed in the hold of the plane as cargo. BANG!! your dead, falling out of the sky, but safe in the knowledge you queued to be security checked.

The authorites have the wherewithal to conduct terrorist profiling, they choose not to do so. Think for a moment, who is likely to be a terrorist, the 70 year old granny going to see her grandkids, or the 20 something asian bloke? Who wold you choose? That may put it bluntly but that is what profiling is about. Its far better than what we endure now, let the authorities start using it.

They have made their point with aircraft, they have caused world wide chaos for air travel. They will now go after soft ground based targets like shopping centres, "

I fly most weeks and yes the security queues do get you down but when I heard the reason a young child was searched it brought it in to perspective. The alarm went off btw, Mother was argueing the toss that would a young kid be a terroist, security officer said no but terrorists can be really sneaky and give things to kids or hide them on kids, they have no morals, just as she found a pair of scissors in the little girls coat pocket! Mother was very sheepish and said ok I see what you mean. Oh and it was an internal flight from Norwich to Edinburgh just like the 9/11 planes all internal US flights.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Airport side security is a joke, (that is all the service side stuff). Those backscatter scanners, the ones which reveal you to be completely naked are a joke too, tests have shown they cannot distinguish between explosives moulded to the body form.

It all depends on the numpties doing security, case in point Jamie from Mythbusters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3yaqq9Jjb4#t=1m5s

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When I did negotiations, one of my pitches was Civil Aviation. To go airside I had to have a passport, plus an utility bill and I couldn't be alone, even with a security pass - which was colour coded to signify where I could go airside etc.

Walking airside with a couple of Civil Aviation staff - in uniform - I was stopped several times and asked to produce my passport etc.

It was slightly inconvenient, but I felt comforted that they were taking security so seriously.

My daughter travels around the world on a regular basis - some of the countries she travels to I'd struggle to place them on the correct continent let alone pin point them on a map. I would rather queue for 24 hours and have a full body scan if it ensured safety.

I'm not naive to believe that every single route a terrorist may take can ever be blocked, but I for one am happy that someone somewhere is doing their darnest to make it difficult for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Most of you are missing the point. It is now widely recognised that the increased security does not work. If they want, stuff can still be taken aboard a plane. What you say is cock, you would have queued for two hours been checked and feel you are safe. Meanwhile a ink cartridge has undergone no security checks and been placed in the hold of the plane as cargo. BANG!! your dead, falling out of the sky, but safe in the knowledge you queued to be security checked.

The authorites have the wherewithal to conduct terrorist profiling, they choose not to do so. Think for a moment, who is likely to be a terrorist, the 70 year old granny going to see her grandkids, or the 20 something asian bloke? Who wold you choose? That may put it bluntly but that is what profiling is about. Its far better than what we endure now, let the authorities start using it.

They have made their point with aircraft, they have caused world wide chaos for air travel. They will now go after soft ground based targets like shopping centres, "

Already happened in 1996 Manchester

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By *amschwingerzCouple
over a year ago

West

If im not mistaken all the flights that were hijacked in the states were internal..like getting on a bus at the time and so easy to infiltrate..

Thats why security here is tight and given the numbers of the 'enemy within' that now reside here, vigilance is important..

They might want to keep a closeer eye on some of the people that actually work at the airports..they are a weak link

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By *ingleguy1973Man
over a year ago

peterborough

lenin once said "the purpose of terroism is to terrorise". that is what these people are doing. for example, in 2008 over 39000 people were killed in car accidents in the us yet more people are worried about terrorism than getting in a car.

we are fighting a war against a relentless and determined enemy who is seeking to destroy our society and take our freedoms. if they win, all of us on fab would be imprisoned or executed for our promiscity. they will use men & women, young & old to achieve these aims. you can only respect someone who is prepared to die for what they believe in.

they have failed to defeat the west through conventional manouvre warfare and are now resorting to an aymetric attritional campaign of terrorism and insurgency.

the govt has to be seen to act to reassure the public that they are being protected. security at airports or shopping centres etc will never be 100% but we have to make it as difficut as we can for these people.

we have to be lucky all the time, they only have to be lucky once!

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By *empnbunkCouple
over a year ago

south coast

if 2 hrs out your life is too much for u to give up for security and safety get a bus...lol are we really that self important that a cpl hrs out our busy life is too much.......i think not

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By *heWolfMan
over a year ago

warwickshire


"Most of you are missing the point. It is now widely recognised that the increased security does not work. If they want, stuff can still be taken aboard a plane. What you say is cock, you would have queued for two hours been checked and feel you are safe. Meanwhile a ink cartridge has undergone no security checks and been placed in the hold of the plane as cargo. BANG!! your dead, falling out of the sky, but safe in the knowledge you queued to be security checked.

The authorites have the wherewithal to conduct terrorist profiling, they choose not to do so. Think for a moment, who is likely to be a terrorist, the 70 year old granny going to see her grandkids, or the 20 something asian bloke? Who wold you choose? That may put it bluntly but that is what profiling is about. Its far better than what we endure now, let the authorities start using it.

They have made their point with aircraft, they have caused world wide chaos for air travel. They will now go after soft ground based targets like shopping centres, "

Or maybe blow themselves up whilst standing in a fucking massive queue in an airport, just as they get to the X-ray machine. Think of the casualties, think of the publicity......perfect! Would you be so keen to line up with the rest of the cattle after that? Not me, therefore the terrorists win.

I'm actually more concerned about Abdul and co loading the plane, who knows what they are putting on board.

The main weapon against these terrorists is covert security and informers on the inside of terror cells. The recent inkjet cartridge example shows that airport checks are nonsense, the plane had been loaded in the Middle East and had flown all the way to Nottingham before it was found. It is still unknown exactly how it was to be detonated, or when, it is only assumed that it would go off on the Eastern Seaboard of the USA. It could just as easily have detonated over London. No security checks uncovered this plot, it was down to a tip-off.

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By *orestersCouple
over a year ago

The Forest

I was under the impression that the British military were in Afghanistan to "fight the war against terrorism". It doesn't seem to be working very well, so here's a suggsetion. Bring them all home, and station them at airports, docks, train stations etc so that some proper "profiling" can be done as part of stringent security checks.

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By *-and-K OP   Couple
over a year ago

Back of Beyond


"if 2 hrs out your life is too much for u to give up for security and safety get a bus...lol are we really that self important that a cpl hrs out our busy life is too much.......i think not "

Yeah. Think about that next time you are stuck in a traffic queue waiting to get into work due to increased security vigilance. Think it won't happen? think again how many building have security installed before you enter already.

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By *-and-K OP   Couple
over a year ago

Back of Beyond

By accepting all the increased security measures the terrorists have already won the battle!

By getting us all to jump through hoops just to travel anywhere, they have won one battle to disrupt our lives.

The next is already underway. Extremists using human rights legislation to get things banned because it doesn't conform to their idea of religion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was under the impression that the British military were in Afghanistan to "fight the war against terrorism". It doesn't seem to be working very well, so here's a suggsetion. Bring them all home, and station them at airports, docks, train stations etc so that some proper "profiling" can be done as part of stringent security checks. "

Yeah, but there's no gas or petroleum surrounding Heathrow, Gatwick et al!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone work for Halliburton?

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By *heWolfMan
over a year ago

warwickshire

Probably all of us, in one way or another!

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By *ingleguy1973Man
over a year ago

peterborough


"I was under the impression that the British military were in Afghanistan to "fight the war against terrorism". It doesn't seem to be working very well, so here's a suggsetion. Bring them all home, and station them at airports, docks, train stations etc so that some proper "profiling" can be done as part of stringent security checks. "

victory in a counter insurgency is always hard to quantify. when 2 armies fight a conventional war, it is easy to see who has won, not so when fighting terrorists.

if we werent fighting them in afghanistan, we would be fighting them on the streets of the uk.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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I'm actually more concerned about Abdul and co loading the plane, who knows what they are putting on board.

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I'd consider that to be a racist comment. You saying that any Muslim working in an airport is a terror suspect?

And I think the reference to ink cartridges is slightly misleading, was it not a laser printer toner that was made into a bomb?

If all checks at airports were removed then any lunatic could jump on board with a knife or liquid bomb and hijack a stewardess or member of public and threaten to kill them unless pilot did a, b or c.

The more stringent the checks, the more people get detered and minimises the chance of it becoming reality again.

To the OP, if the flight was only 20 mins, it does beg the question why not get a train or bus.

S.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Train or bus over the irish sea?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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if we werent fighting them in afghanistan, we would be fighting them on the streets of the uk."

We've been fughting them for years on the streets of the UK. Belfast ring any bells?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think wolfman was being racist he was merely pointing out that most attacks have been by Muslims I believe. Airport security will get worse not better sadly they hate the fact we are fighting them in Afghan and there's no end to that sadly xxxx

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By *etillanteWoman
over a year ago

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" They will now go after soft ground based targets like shopping centres,

Already happened in 1996 Manchester"

I was in the Arndale Centre in Manchester yesterday, a security alert was put out asking people to leave the centre, a lot did, (me included), but others just carried on not taking a blind bit of notice of the announcements

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By *ingleguy1973Man
over a year ago

peterborough


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if we werent fighting them in afghanistan, we would be fighting them on the streets of the uk.

We've been fughting them for years on the streets of the UK. Belfast ring any bells?"

and we learned a lot of valuable lessons in the province and ultimately forced the provos to the negotiating table. maybe not an out and out victory but it still shows what can be done if you fight them on their own ground on their terms.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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if we werent fighting them in afghanistan, we would be fighting them on the streets of the uk.

We've been fughting them for years on the streets of the UK. Belfast ring any bells?

and we learned a lot of valuable lessons in the province and ultimately forced the provos to the negotiating table. maybe not an out and out victory but it still shows what can be done if you fight them on their own ground on their terms."

So who exactly are we going to fight? Al Qaeda is a global franchise with an extensive network. So why arent US forces in Libya, Yemen, Somalia or even Iraq?

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

Airport security? Do as they do in some middle eastern countries - the people carrying out the security checks for a flight also fly on that flight, makes them even more alert! I don't mind all the checks myself as would rather be safer, didn't say safe as you can never be 100% but checks are better than nothing! Z

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By *econdwind123Couple
over a year ago

cardiff

As a frequent flyer (almost weekly) I can understand the frustration brought about by the security requirements. I don't think anyone would seriously dispute the need for vigilance but the frustration is often due to the long queues as a result of under-manning at many airports, not the security checks themselves. Only a couple of weeks ago I flew from Birmingham airport, who have invested heavily in at least half a dozen new scanning stations, but only one was manned. Consequently, the queue was so long that it began outside of the security area.

Another bugbear is the inconsistency between airports, especially in French and Spanish airports who don't really seem interested and make up their own rules. In Biarritz, for example, they will confiscate a travel iron from any carry on baggage because it could be used as an offensive weapon, but once through security you can buy another from the terminal shops!!

My advice to travellers is to always carry-on where possible (check bag size before you pack), have your liquids bagged separately before arrival at the airport or buy your travel size toiletries once through security, and deal with all officials with a smile....it's pointless losing your rag as they can nearly always think of a legitimate reason to delay you – you could miss your flight. I find most officials helpful, especially if they can see that you know what you are doing and have prepared in advance. That said, as in all walks of life, you will eventually come across a right plonker who is just being a jobs worth....don't let them bring you down, just smile.

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By *-and-K OP   Couple
over a year ago

Back of Beyond


"Train or bus over the irish sea?!"

Thanks for that, at least you read the post unlike the optically disadvantaged person above!

I sometimes wonder if some people actually read and understand what they see.

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton


"Train or bus over the irish sea?!

Thanks for that, at least you read the post unlike the optically disadvantaged person above!

I sometimes wonder if some people actually read and understand what they see."

Sorry, I also thought you were complaining about the time for check before flying, what are you saying then? Z

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By *ingleguy1973Man
over a year ago

peterborough


" So who exactly are we going to fight? Al Qaeda is a global franchise with an extensive network. So why arent US forces in Libya, Yemen, Somalia or even Iraq? "

true but the taliban aint, and they provided a safe haven for those who carried out the 911 attacks. libya has already been on the wrong end of us air power, iraq... hmmm major regime change and as for somalia and yemen, i would guess it is just a matter of time.

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By *-and-K OP   Couple
over a year ago

Back of Beyond

When the Government gets off its arse and demands new measures to keep traffic flowing in airports during bad weather.

I just hope they include measures to make sure the operate all security gates at peak times.

Like the poster above, we fly every 5-6 weeks. It is so annoying to see only one xray machine been manned and the rest stood empty.

If an airport has 3 machines or 30 machines, make sure they are all manned at peak times. Its not hard to see when the majority of flights leave and arrive.

Reminds me of the time we flew back into Leeds/Bradford. Our plane arrived an hour after a Pakistani Jumbo. We had to join the end of that queue as only one immigration desk was open and everyone of the Pakistani flight had to be thoroughly checked over. Took us another hour to pass through to baggage claim.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Train or bus over the irish sea?!

Thanks for that, at least you read the post unlike the optically disadvantaged person above!

I sometimes wonder if some people actually read and understand what they see."

Apologies, didn't see the Dublin bit.... So will change to car/ferry,lol.

But.... No need to get personal on the forums with name calling, I'm only human after all.

S.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be honest I would rather have vigilent checks even though it is very time consuming. It takes ages anyway but I always find the Heathrow to JFK route particularly vigilent, maybe for obvious reasons. I prefer to fly BA when I go to New York but I would never wear fiddly shoes as you are asked to remove them so frequently you may as well wear flip flops to be honest. And the amount of clothing, jewellery belts etc you have to take off, why dont they just make everyone go through naked and be done with it (no doubt you'd still get a few trying to smuggle a pair of straighteners up their lady bits)

In JFK its even worse, with retina scans and fingerprints taken, bloody nightmare to get through but you can understand it. What always makes me laugh is when they ask what is your purpose of coming to New York. I always get tongue tied at this question and say "pleasure" which makes me sound as if Im going to those hard S&M clubs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As for the other intense discussion regarding terrorism, Im not getting into that, lets face it not one of us knows the true extent of the threat of terrorism

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By *heWolfMan
over a year ago

warwickshire


"

I'm actually more concerned about Abdul and co loading the plane, who knows what they are putting on board.

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I'd consider that to be a racist comment. You saying that any Muslim working in an airport is a terror suspect?

And I think the reference to ink cartridges is slightly misleading, was it not a laser printer toner that was made into a bomb?

If all checks at airports were removed then any lunatic could jump on board with a knife or liquid bomb and hijack a stewardess or member of public and threaten to kill them unless pilot did a, b or c.

The more stringent the checks, the more people get detered and minimises the chance of it becoming reality again.

S. "

Well, until white working class Englishmen called Rob are being flagged as being more likely to become suicide bombers/terrorists, then yep, the people you mention SHOULD be be considered terror suspects, or more accurately, MORE LIKELY to become one. Airport baggage handlers are not exactly high earners, and if they are immigrants and/or Muslims, well, that puts them right in the target demographic of those susceptible to extremist views and actions.

Congratulations to you though, it was YOU that successfully linked someone called Abdul, who could be a follower of any religion, to the Islamic faith, and then on to terrorist outrages. Now, why can't the powers-that-be do the same, and profile people getting onto planes for security checks, as mentioned in an earlier post?

Possibly because some people get an immediate anal twitch and the word "RACIST!" flashes up in their mind, so sod it, everyone must be inconvenienced to show impartiality.

No-one has said to drop all checks, just target resources with more of a practical focus, rather than blinkered blanket inconvenience.

Be assured, I'd be advocating that young, single Catholic men with sideburns, wearing donkey jackets and flares be pulled for checks if the IRA had been targetting planes back in the 70s, and their priests were promising them 72 virgins if they martyr themselves.

I've no idea whether it was laser toner or an inkjet cartridge, I doubt whether that misled the explosives experts who found the device on the plane at East Mids. But, if there are any experts here, is there a tried and tested two part mixed liquid explosive that can be readily mixed in an aeroplane toilet? AFAIK, there is not, but then I'm no expert.... (I'd Google it, but if I did, then I should get pulled for a rigorous security check next time I fly!)

Just because someone has been seeking a way of doing something, doesn't mean it's possible. I've been trying to turn lead into gold, like many before me, but don't expect success anytime soon. No need to inform the Gold Markets and put them on full alert just because I am researching alchemy.

In a similar vein, how many terrorists have been apprehended, all geared up ready to blow up a plane, at the increased security checks? I know the answer to that - none.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Richard Reid.....the failed 'Shoe Bomber'.....British born with a white Mother and half West Indian Father.

Nicky Reilly.....White British born would be Exeter city centre bomber.

Not that easy after all......

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By *ingleguy1973Man
over a year ago

peterborough


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how many terrorists have been apprehended, all geared up ready to blow up a plane, at the increased security checks? I know the answer to that - none.

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but what is the purpose of increased security checks? to catch or to deter? it is easy to know when they havent worked but you can never know how many potential attacks have been detered by them

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By *heWolfMan
over a year ago

warwickshire

And radical Muslim converts, both flagged by security services. Not that difficult.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Just two of what are probably thousands of radical Muslim converts in the UK, so until that problem goes away (like not in my lifetime) then I am all for Two hour airport check ins if it makes things safer.

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By *heWolfMan
over a year ago

warwickshire


"

how many terrorists have been apprehended, all geared up ready to blow up a plane, at the increased security checks? I know the answer to that - none.

but what is the purpose of increased security checks? to catch or to deter? it is easy to know when they havent worked but you can never know how many potential attacks have been detered by them"

Secret Squirrel knows full well how many CREDIBLE attempts are made, who is a GENUINE risk (as opposed to, say, Abu Hamza, who is a gobshite, but not going to be trying to martyr himself at any time), and they'd be crowing if they even suspected they had pulled off a major anti-terrorist coup. After their notable failures to act on the July tube bombers, I feel pretty secure in my belief that no major campaigns are in the pipeline to bring down any aircraft.

Of course, a lone nutter might have a go, but then again, I might flip and go apeshit on board SleazyJet if they don't stop rabbitting on and trying to flog me shite. If I wanted to grab a hostage and kill them, I'd not need to take anything on with me, there's plenty of things which could be improvised as weapons.

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By *heWolfMan
over a year ago

warwickshire


"Just two of what are probably thousands of radical Muslim converts in the UK, so until that problem goes away (like not in my lifetime) then I am all for Two hour airport check ins if it makes things safer."

The point being that it doesn't necessarily make things any safer, it is window dressing, fluff, or just plain bullshit. If it makes you FEEL safer, just because someone tells you so and is scanning your shoes, great, but can I please go through a separate channel for those who think that REAL counter-terrorist measures, surveillance and profiling are far more effective?

That channel could have the proper TRAINED operatives, not some poor Grade 3 Group 4 grunt, like those who badger you into removing your shoes now, (one or two of whom also may well have been Colonels in their home country's despotic Govt, not that long ago, if my personal experience is anything to go by. I swear Idi Amin works at Luton, I thought he was dead...) who wouldn't be able to spot involuntary suspect behaviour if it arrived by Scud missile, they just want to finish their shift without any hassle, go home, get paid, like the rest of us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You’ve got to laugh at this thread, if something major happened tomorrow at an airport you’d all be posting saying the security measures in place weren’t good enough it’s a no win situation, us Brits always find something to moan about, but at least moan about something worthwhile like having traffic lights at every 100 yards of road rather than having to check in 2 hours early for the ocassional flight.

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By *uro anchorMan
over a year ago

Coventry


"Just two of what are probably thousands of radical Muslim converts in the UK, so until that problem goes away (like not in my lifetime) then I am all for Two hour airport check ins if it makes things safer."

what about when they up it to 3 or 4 hours .. would u still b happy then ?..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well I would say that judging on the amount of flights that take off from British airspace alone and the amount of successful terrorist attacks that occur during flights then Id say the security checks are necessary.

I dont know what people do for a living, but im hazarding a guess that we dont work for MI6 or Anti Terrorist Intelligence, if any of us did, we wouldnt be spouting off on here about it. We dont know whats being uncovered out there, so everything we say is just surmised isnt it.

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By *arambarMan
over a year ago

swindon

But... but... but I have watched every episode of Spooks - does that count?

ps - love your new avatar, iconic

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By *heWolfMan
over a year ago

warwickshire

Apart from what we read on Wikileaks.

And who's to say some of us aren't well informed?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I allow for 2h for inter-European flights, and 3h for inter-continental flights.

Check in the lugguage and go straight through security, then eat/shop/read until it is time to walk leisurely to the departure gate.

For a long haul flight last year, I had door to door pick-up/drop-off, so that I did not have to drive, and it was bliss!

It works for me!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Apart from what we read on Wikileaks.

And who's to say some of us aren't well informed? "

Hmmm if that was the case then we have more to fear from intelligence leaks dont we. I would like to think that people working in the field of anti terrorism could keep certain things confidential.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We have friends in Bath who quite regularly use Bristol airport to hop over to Dublin for family reasons.

Its a 20 minute flight and yet they still have to check in 2 hours before hand because of security checks! The only way they have found to get around this is to book ryanair and travel with no luggage. Even then you are expected at the gate 30 minutes before the flight and on top of that you have to get through security, which can be another 30 minutes if its busy."

quite happy to take a short hop to check out the bristols in bath. No baggage, always come early and don't mind getting on top of the security.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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if we werent fighting them in afghanistan, we would be fighting them on the streets of the uk.

We've been fughting them for years on the streets of the UK. Belfast ring any bells?

and we learned a lot of valuable lessons in the province and ultimately forced the provos to the negotiating table. maybe not an out and out victory but it still shows what can be done if you fight them on their own ground on their terms.

So who exactly are we going to fight? Al Qaeda is a global franchise with an extensive network. So why arent US forces in Libya, Yemen, Somalia or even Iraq? "

Part of a "Global mafia" would be more accurate. In the words of the song "plenty good money to be made selling the army the tools of the trade." plus the drugs etc.

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

I kinda prefer the train... there's none of that faffing round departure lounges and through security for a two hour wait. You just get on the train and open a book and go!

However, I don't think they can have too much security at airports. I'd rather wait that extra two hours if it prevented someone doing stuff they shouldn't that endangers peoples' lives.

Although, I could have done without them being so thorough last time I went down to Bristol... I decided to travel light and only took hand luggage (anyone who knows me should be mighty impressed with that!) Anyway, I decided, in my infinite wisdom, to take my little silver butt plug with me. I stripped off my boots, belt, jewellery, jacket etc. not really wearing the best top for covering my assets but what the hell... I wanders through the security thing, beeped as per usual, searched, let through, as my bag is going through the x-ray machine. I could hear the young lad sitting watching the screen from the other end of the conveyor belt saying to one of the lads "oi, come look at this, looks like a butt plug"

So sure enough, my bag gets pulled off and the older bloke comes over, face scarlet as I'm chuckling to myself and he says "erm... there's something in here", yes I know and I know exactly what it is. He said, "erm... could you show it to me please?" So there I am, in my socks, with my tits pretty much on display pulling a butt plug out of my hand luggage, incidentally it was in beside my bullet and he said, "what is that?" I replied, with a proper straight face "it's a butt plug, you know, for sexual purposes? it's okay that I carry that in hand luggage right?!" He was mortified, not sure what he was gonna say next and he just blurted out "you look after that now!"

Bless... needless to say I left it in Bristol to save a repeat performance on the way home!

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