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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Hiya Everyone,

Its Monday and I'm in a contemplative mood.

I was giving some thought to who I am and it reminded me of Plutarch's Ship of Theseus. For those of you not familiar with it, it is basically an ancient paradox whereby a ship exists but is continuously fixed such that, by the end of its journey, the ship does not have a single piece of wood from when it left shore. Is the ship still the original ship?

In terms of you as a person, continually regenerated by cell death and growth, and whose memories change continuously, do you think you are the same person you were when you were a child? What if you cease to remember more than 5 years back in time?

Lets have your thoughts

-Courtney

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are we, I, me, no more than thought, that is to say memory, apart from the physical presence?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No I am a completely different person having had to rebuild myself after a breakdown.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Bloody hell does this mean I've got to do some thinking I've already written one long answer today

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

5 years ago? I can barely remember yesterday!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Your always "YOU" just that time changes as we do.

You may change what you look like,how you appear to others,but your still you.

Memories may fade,but sometimes are reignited by a prompt or act of others.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


" Bloody hell does this mean I've got to do some thinking I've already written one long answer today "

Pretty please

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Hiya Everyone,

Its Monday and I'm in a contemplative mood.

I was giving some thought to who I am and it reminded me of Plutarch's Ship of Theseus. For those of you not familiar with it, it is basically an ancient paradox whereby a ship exists but is continuously fixed such that, by the end of its journey, the ship does not have a single piece of wood from when it left shore. Is the ship still the original ship?

In terms of you as a person, continually regenerated by cell death and growth, and whose memories change continuously, do you think you are the same person you were when you were a child? What if you cease to remember more than 5 years back in time?

Lets have your thoughts

-Courtney"

Like Triggers sweeping brush in only fools and horses when he said, "I've had that brush 25 years, it's had 9 new heads and 12 new handles"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I still have some of the same irrational fears I had as a child but on the whole, I think I've changed quite a bit in the last year alone.

A year ago I was basically a recluse, didn't really know how to do anything and never bothered with the world around me, never really bothering about me, I was like that for fifteen years, now I'm out all the time, I take pride in my appearance, try to keep up with everything around me.

Not sure if that's the kind of thing you were after x

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Your always "YOU" just that time changes as we do.

You may change what you look like,how you appear to others,but your still you.

Memories may fade,but sometimes are reignited by a prompt or act of others."

But what would you say makes you, you then?

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By *angerousEyesMan
over a year ago

weston

In many ways I am the same but not all. I hold many of the same values, moral's as I have always held and always will, something's you just cant change but ofcourse I grown in many other ways.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Hiya Everyone,

Its Monday and I'm in a contemplative mood.

I was giving some thought to who I am and it reminded me of Plutarch's Ship of Theseus. For those of you not familiar with it, it is basically an ancient paradox whereby a ship exists but is continuously fixed such that, by the end of its journey, the ship does not have a single piece of wood from when it left shore. Is the ship still the original ship?

In terms of you as a person, continually regenerated by cell death and growth, and whose memories change continuously, do you think you are the same person you were when you were a child? What if you cease to remember more than 5 years back in time?

Lets have your thoughts

-Courtney

Like Triggers sweeping brush in only fools and horses when he said, "I've had that brush 25 years, it's had 9 new heads and 12 new handles" "

Exactly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hiya Everyone,

Its Monday and I'm in a contemplative mood.

I was giving some thought to who I am and it reminded me of Plutarch's Ship of Theseus. For those of you not familiar with it, it is basically an ancient paradox whereby a ship exists but is continuously fixed such that, by the end of its journey, the ship does not have a single piece of wood from when it left shore. Is the ship still the original ship?

In terms of you as a person, continually regenerated by cell death and growth, and whose memories change continuously, do you think you are the same person you were when you were a child? What if you cease to remember more than 5 years back in time?

Lets have your thoughts

-Courtney"
I am the same person I evolved into now just a little wiser but definitely not more sensible ,I am a nice guy with a good sense of humour ,I don't take many things seriously and definitely not this place ,I enjoy life and have many interests ,I am a people person you could analyse my thoughts on here but never know me as a person until you meet me and get to know me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In many ways I am the same but not all. I hold many of the same values, moral's as I have always held and always will, something's you just cant change but ofcourse I grown in many other ways."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am who I am,my parents little lad, my wife's true love, my kids dad.

I cant change any of that,because I am ME.

Changed a hell of a lot on the outside,but still the same inside.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everything i've experienced, and the way i processed it has made me, me.

I haven't been me for a couple of years, but got rid of someone outta my life recently and i'm very much like me already.

Other people can change you when you're adaptable, i think maybe it's better to rely more on your inner feelings than how others make you feel. I'm happy with me, i don't need to define myself because i will let others know who i am if i want them to know.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Hiya Everyone,

Its Monday and I'm in a contemplative mood.

I was giving some thought to who I am and it reminded me of Plutarch's Ship of Theseus. For those of you not familiar with it, it is basically an ancient paradox whereby a ship exists but is continuously fixed such that, by the end of its journey, the ship does not have a single piece of wood from when it left shore. Is the ship still the original ship?

In terms of you as a person, continually regenerated by cell death and growth, and whose memories change continuously, do you think you are the same person you were when you were a child? What if you cease to remember more than 5 years back in time?

Lets have your thoughts

-CourtneyI am the same person I evolved into now just a little wiser but definitely not more sensible ,I am a nice guy with a good sense of humour ,I don't take many things seriously and definitely not this place ,I enjoy life and have many interests ,I am a people person you could analyse my thoughts on here but never know me as a person until you meet me and get to know me "

Not everything you say here is serious?!? I'm shocked

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is making the brain cells work

Ok I'm completely different to what I was 10 years ago I've come from being a broken man to being bi sexual now ,thinking about it yes I'm different got grey hair more wrinkles struggling to remember what happened yesterday let alone 5 years ago ,

Good question that x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The accumulation of memory, must mean we are not the same person as when you were a child, we are constantly learning, so constantly changing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am pretty much the same person.

One thing that has changed about me... Is I'm not afraid to say what I think if I feel someone is wrong or taking the piss. Before I wouldn't say boo to a goose. This is going back 5 years or more.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

I'm me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm me "

But who is "me", that you are referring to?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The accumulation of memory, must mean we are not the same person as when you were a child, we are constantly learning, so constantly changing."

Possibly. But is there some continuity? What makes you different from someone else who, hypothetically, has the same experiences as you? Is there no difference? Are we the sum of our memories and cells?

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Right here we go, most of my deep routed things are what I learnt in cnildhood.

Manners I've never lost them some of my food dislikes stem from cnildhood, I witnessed things in my cnildhood that gave me the ability to have my own mind from a young age. Child-like things we did as kids I still love, I spent a lot of time on a farm with animals, I still love as I got older and experimented and found other things I liked and disliked, beliefs I held and didn't hold. All a natural progression through life.

!ike everyone I've had some pretty shit things happen to me, some my own doing through bad choices some not my own doing through circumstances.

Up until about ten years ago I would say I was pretty fucked up and decided to change, its not been easy it's been a slow transition. But at 50 I've conquered my demons I honestly think as a person I'm the best I've ever been most definitely to my self. Not perfect but I'm truelly happy with what I've become if people could see what I was like before I'm unrecognisable from the adult I had become.

But I've just thought about this and I'm more like the child Karen than the adult Karen I was.

That's my thinking over

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Certain parts of you such as teeth will still be you in 1000 years. Unless you are cremated. Other bits such as your brain, are made from cells and are constantly dying and being re generated

I always see "me" as just being my thoughts, my personality. Nothing physical

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hiya Everyone,

Its Monday and I'm in a contemplative mood.

I was giving some thought to who I am and it reminded me of Plutarch's Ship of Theseus. For those of you not familiar with it, it is basically an ancient paradox whereby a ship exists but is continuously fixed such that, by the end of its journey, the ship does not have a single piece of wood from when it left shore. Is the ship still the original ship?

In terms of you as a person, continually regenerated by cell death and growth, and whose memories change continuously, do you think you are the same person you were when you were a child? What if you cease to remember more than 5 years back in time?

Lets have your thoughts

-Courtney"

For those still confused see the "Triggers broom" paradox from only fools and horses.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

5 years ago I was trapped in a crap marriage. Thought I was ugly fat and useless

Now I'm having the time of my life. Discovering that some men (and women) think I'm actually damn hot!!

I'm sexually liberated and experimenting for the first time in my life (still need to find that understanding couple)

And I walk with my head held high and my chest thrust forward with a huge smile on my face

I am definitely unrecognisable from the woman I was 5 years ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hiya Everyone,

Its Monday and I'm in a contemplative mood.

I was giving some thought to who I am and it reminded me of Plutarch's Ship of Theseus. For those of you not familiar with it, it is basically an ancient paradox whereby a ship exists but is continuously fixed such that, by the end of its journey, the ship does not have a single piece of wood from when it left shore. Is the ship still the original ship?

In terms of you as a person, continually regenerated by cell death and growth, and whose memories change continuously, do you think you are the same person you were when you were a child? What if you cease to remember more than 5 years back in time?

Lets have your thoughts

-CourtneyI am the same person I evolved into now just a little wiser but definitely not more sensible ,I am a nice guy with a good sense of humour ,I don't take many things seriously and definitely not this place ,I enjoy life and have many interests ,I am a people person you could analyse my thoughts on here but never know me as a person until you meet me and get to know me

Not everything you say here is serious?!? I'm shocked "
we have enough serious people rubywoo and sometimes you Courtney think you can hold the fort for that particular accolade ,nice idea for a thread though ,I do worry about your thought patterns though hehe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are the same person DNA wise, but mind wise, I'd say no.

Our own personal experiences and actions change how we are as a person, from our expressions to how we voice ourselves.

I am far more confident than I was 10 years ago and can easily express myself, compared to previous years. For me, I put this down to experiences along the way, whether "natural" life experiences or learning from my mistakes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The accumulation of memory, must mean we are not the same person as when you were a child, we are constantly learning, so constantly changing.

Possibly. But is there some continuity? What makes you different from someone else who, hypothetically, has the same experiences as you? Is there no difference? Are we the sum of our memories and cells?"

We all experience different things that we commit to memory, and make us different, and we will bring those memories to whatever we experience in the future. I bring my memories and you bring yours, so we will experience the same thing differently, depending on our past experience of a thing that we have committed to memory. An example is, you may see a spider and scream with fear, but I may pick it up and play with it, because your memory of spiders, is a bad one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've evolved over the decades but changed little in essence!

I'm still the child who REALLY wants to be liked!

I'm still, occasionally, the insecure adolescent convinced of her innate ugliness.

I'm still the 18-23 year old who slept with any guy who offered me affection - and felt cheap afterwards!

All these things have formed me - but they've gradually evolved into a confident woman who quite likes herself, who ADORES great sex, and who makes the kinky world of fab work perfectly for her!

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

Well, that great philosopher Trigger says that its still the same broom despite several changes of handles and heads, so who am I to dispute his knowledge?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Right here we go, most of my deep routed things are what I learnt in cnildhood.

Manners I've never lost them some of my food dislikes stem from cnildhood, I witnessed things in my cnildhood that gave me the ability to have my own mind from a young age. Child-like things we did as kids I still love, I spent a lot of time on a farm with animals, I still love as I got older and experimented and found other things I liked and disliked, beliefs I held and didn't hold. All a natural progression through life.

!ike everyone I've had some pretty shit things happen to me, some my own doing through bad choices some not my own doing through circumstances.

Up until about ten years ago I would say I was pretty fucked up and decided to change, its not been easy it's been a slow transition. But at 50 I've conquered my demons I honestly think as a person I'm the best I've ever been most definitely to my self. Not perfect but I'm truelly happy with what I've become if people could see what I was like before I'm unrecognisable from the adult I had become.

But I've just thought about this and I'm more like the child Karen than the adult Karen I was.

That's my thinking over "

Thank you for thinking with us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hmmmmm.....

This is making my head hurt a little but I'll give it a go

I think everyone is a different version of themsleves daily

It is impossible for anything or anyone to remain the same - everything ages.

But then I could be talking complete bollox

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"Right here we go, most of my deep routed things are what I learnt in cnildhood.

Manners I've never lost them some of my food dislikes stem from cnildhood, I witnessed things in my cnildhood that gave me the ability to have my own mind from a young age. Child-like things we did as kids I still love, I spent a lot of time on a farm with animals, I still love as I got older and experimented and found other things I liked and disliked, beliefs I held and didn't hold. All a natural progression through life.

!ike everyone I've had some pretty shit things happen to me, some my own doing through bad choices some not my own doing through circumstances.

Up until about ten years ago I would say I was pretty fucked up and decided to change, its not been easy it's been a slow transition. But at 50 I've conquered my demons I honestly think as a person I'm the best I've ever been most definitely to my self. Not perfect but I'm truelly happy with what I've become if people could see what I was like before I'm unrecognisable from the adult I had become.

But I've just thought about this and I'm more like the child Karen than the adult Karen I was.

That's my thinking over

Thank you for thinking with us "
what did you think

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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside

i am a product of your creative imagination,and attention.

all those that have seen me, believe i exist and therefore in their eyes..i do

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Certain parts of you such as teeth will still be you in 1000 years. Unless you are cremated. Other bits such as your brain, are made from cells and are constantly dying and being re generated

I always see "me" as just being my thoughts, my personality. Nothing physical"

But what I the body "you" wakes up tomorrow and can't remember anything about your life. Is it still "you?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Certain parts of you such as teeth will still be you in 1000 years. Unless you are cremated. Other bits such as your brain, are made from cells and are constantly dying and being re generated

I always see "me" as just being my thoughts, my personality. Nothing physical

But what I the body "you" wakes up tomorrow and can't remember anything about your life. Is it still "you?""

Are you saying the body is the I ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Right here we go, most of my deep routed things are what I learnt in cnildhood.

Manners I've never lost them some of my food dislikes stem from cnildhood, I witnessed things in my cnildhood that gave me the ability to have my own mind from a young age. Child-like things we did as kids I still love, I spent a lot of time on a farm with animals, I still love as I got older and experimented and found other things I liked and disliked, beliefs I held and didn't hold. All a natural progression through life.

!ike everyone I've had some pretty shit things happen to me, some my own doing through bad choices some not my own doing through circumstances.

Up until about ten years ago I would say I was pretty fucked up and decided to change, its not been easy it's been a slow transition. But at 50 I've conquered my demons I honestly think as a person I'm the best I've ever been most definitely to my self. Not perfect but I'm truelly happy with what I've become if people could see what I was like before I'm unrecognisable from the adult I had become.

But I've just thought about this and I'm more like the child Karen than the adult Karen I was.

That's my thinking over

Thank you for thinking with us what did you think "

I guess I feel a mixed opinion in your response. You recognize things that have not changed from your childhood, things that have remained constant. But at the same time you note that you've had a monumental change in your life. I think you are on the side of continuity, though I don't think you clarified what you think makes us continuous.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Certain parts of you such as teeth will still be you in 1000 years. Unless you are cremated. Other bits such as your brain, are made from cells and are constantly dying and being re generated

I always see "me" as just being my thoughts, my personality. Nothing physical

But what I the body "you" wakes up tomorrow and can't remember anything about your life. Is it still "you?"

Are you saying the body is the I ?"

Sorry! It should say "what if." Bloody phones

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

But what I the body "you" wakes up tomorrow and can't remember anything about your life. Is it still "you?""

I'd tell it to ease off the medication and stop thinking of things that don't exist.

I'm tough on myself though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Certain parts of you such as teeth will still be you in 1000 years. Unless you are cremated. Other bits such as your brain, are made from cells and are constantly dying and being re generated

I always see "me" as just being my thoughts, my personality. Nothing physical

But what I the body "you" wakes up tomorrow and can't remember anything about your life. Is it still "you?"

Are you saying the body is the I ?

Sorry! It should say "what if." Bloody phones "

Will you try something? I was shown this years ago and it put me into a different frame of mind regarding the self.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Certain parts of you such as teeth will still be you in 1000 years. Unless you are cremated. Other bits such as your brain, are made from cells and are constantly dying and being re generated

I always see "me" as just being my thoughts, my personality. Nothing physical

But what I the body "you" wakes up tomorrow and can't remember anything about your life. Is it still "you?"

Are you saying the body is the I ?

Sorry! It should say "what if." Bloody phones

Will you try something? I was shown this years ago and it put me into a different frame of mind regarding the self."

Will I try "something?" That sounds ominous

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i am a product of your creative imagination,and attention.

all those that have seen me, believe i exist and therefore in their eyes..i do "

I love your posts Suzy xx

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I'm still Tina Titz, available for weddings, christenings and bar mitzvahs, but not children's parties.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not, it's really straight forward.

Just close your eyes and observe your thoughts, whatever is buzzing around in your head at the moment, observe it. Then tell me what happened.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Certain parts of you such as teeth will still be you in 1000 years. Unless you are cremated. Other bits such as your brain, are made from cells and are constantly dying and being re generated

I always see "me" as just being my thoughts, my personality. Nothing physical

But what I the body "you" wakes up tomorrow and can't remember anything about your life. Is it still "you?"

Are you saying the body is the I ?

Sorry! It should say "what if." Bloody phones "

If a person falls into a coma, do they cease to exist ?

Of course they dont,just like people with Alzheimer's continue to be the person,just not at home right now.

YOU continue to exist as YOU, for as long as you live.

You may change on the outside and how you feel and behave, but your still YOU to everyone else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm still Tina Titz, available for weddings, christenings and bar mitzvahs, but not children's parties. "

Tina Titz for eternity, you have no beginning, and no ending. x

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"I'm me

But who is "me", that you are referring to?"

This one.

*gestures*

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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside


"i am a product of your creative imagination,and attention.

all those that have seen me, believe i exist and therefore in their eyes..i do

I love your posts Suzy xx"

thankyou gorgeous xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm me

But who is "me", that you are referring to?

This one.

*gestures*"

The physical body?

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

From 5 years ago? I'm happier.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"I'm me

But who is "me", that you are referring to?

This one.

*gestures*

The physical body?"

All of the everything - good and bad. This.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"Right here we go, most of my deep routed things are what I learnt in cnildhood.

Manners I've never lost them some of my food dislikes stem from cnildhood, I witnessed things in my cnildhood that gave me the ability to have my own mind from a young age. Child-like things we did as kids I still love, I spent a lot of time on a farm with animals, I still love as I got older and experimented and found other things I liked and disliked, beliefs I held and didn't hold. All a natural progression through life.

!ike everyone I've had some pretty shit things happen to me, some my own doing through bad choices some not my own doing through circumstances.

Up until about ten years ago I would say I was pretty fucked up and decided to change, its not been easy it's been a slow transition. But at 50 I've conquered my demons I honestly think as a person I'm the best I've ever been most definitely to my self. Not perfect but I'm truelly happy with what I've become if people could see what I was like before I'm unrecognisable from the adult I had become.

But I've just thought about this and I'm more like the child Karen than the adult Karen I was.

That's my thinking over

Thank you for thinking with us what did you think

I guess I feel a mixed opinion in your response. You recognize things that have not changed from your childhood, things that have remained constant. But at the same time you note that you've had a monumental change in your life. I think you are on the side of continuity, though I don't think you clarified what you think makes us continuous. "
because we are living creatures, we don't just stop dead and never feel, see, hear, taste, touch or have any progressive emotions. We don't stop having life experiences, I like the person I am, that doesn't mean I'm not going to get any better, just this year I gained a new love and all the emotions that have come with that. I might try something new for tea and like that or I might go to Alton towers and decide rollercoaster are not for me, to me the only way you can't continue is if your dead

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"i am a product of your creative imagination,and attention.

all those that have seen me, believe i exist and therefore in their eyes..i do

I love your posts Suzy xx"

As do I

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm me

But who is "me", that you are referring to?

This one.

*gestures*

The physical body?

All of the everything - good and bad. This. "

But when you say " I'm upset, or I'm feeling angry ", what is the I you are referring to, the physical body?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Certain parts of you such as teeth will still be you in 1000 years. Unless you are cremated. Other bits such as your brain, are made from cells and are constantly dying and being re generated

I always see "me" as just being my thoughts, my personality. Nothing physical

But what I the body "you" wakes up tomorrow and can't remember anything about your life. Is it still "you?"

Are you saying the body is the I ?

Sorry! It should say "what if." Bloody phones

If a person falls into a coma, do they cease to exist ?

Of course they dont,just like people with Alzheimer's continue to be the person,just not at home right now.

YOU continue to exist as YOU, for as long as you live.

You may change on the outside and how you feel and behave, but your still YOU to everyone else. "

But what is me?? That's the very question. If not the thoughts, and if not the cells, the what?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It's not, it's really straight forward.

Just close your eyes and observe your thoughts, whatever is buzzing around in your head at the moment, observe it. Then tell me what happened."

Oh, I've done those before. I don't "see" anything. I just have thoughts zooming around. Cant explain it

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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside


"i am a product of your creative imagination,and attention.

all those that have seen me, believe i exist and therefore in their eyes..i do

I love your posts Suzy xx

As do I "

thankyou..i love your great threads xx

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over a year ago


"It's not, it's really straight forward.

Just close your eyes and observe your thoughts, whatever is buzzing around in your head at the moment, observe it. Then tell me what happened.

Oh, I've done those before. I don't "see" anything. I just have thoughts zooming around. Cant explain it "

But when you look at those thoughts, does anything happen to them?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It's not, it's really straight forward.

Just close your eyes and observe your thoughts, whatever is buzzing around in your head at the moment, observe it. Then tell me what happened.

Oh, I've done those before. I don't "see" anything. I just have thoughts zooming around. Cant explain it

But when you look at those thoughts, does anything happen to them?"

I have a brief image, then they are gone. On to a new one.

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over a year ago


"Certain parts of you such as teeth will still be you in 1000 years. Unless you are cremated. Other bits such as your brain, are made from cells and are constantly dying and being re generated

I always see "me" as just being my thoughts, my personality. Nothing physical

But what I the body "you" wakes up tomorrow and can't remember anything about your life. Is it still "you?""

No, the physical you is purely cells, flesh, bone and electricity

The real YOU is your thoughts and memories

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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside


"It's not, it's really straight forward.

Just close your eyes and observe your thoughts, whatever is buzzing around in your head at the moment, observe it. Then tell me what happened.

Oh, I've done those before. I don't "see" anything. I just have thoughts zooming around. Cant explain it "

you dont know they are your thoughts though..you just accept they are..if you saw them coming from a different source and could visualize that in a sund proof room, you wouldnt have internal dialogue..you would have silence..what some lineages call 'stopping the world' this is when you receive 'seeing' and can perceive the fabric of the universe and how it forms, those we assume are 'individuals' xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd say the 'I am' that is my essence...or my soul if you like, is still essentially the same...but with different experiences moulding and changing the outside version of myself.

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over a year ago


"It's not, it's really straight forward.

Just close your eyes and observe your thoughts, whatever is buzzing around in your head at the moment, observe it. Then tell me what happened.

Oh, I've done those before. I don't "see" anything. I just have thoughts zooming around. Cant explain it

But when you look at those thoughts, does anything happen to them?

I have a brief image, then they are gone. On to a new one. "

It's difficult this, because I can't guide you in anyway, it has to come from you, it took me a while.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Right here we go, most of my deep routed things are what I learnt in cnildhood.

Manners I've never lost them some of my food dislikes stem from cnildhood, I witnessed things in my cnildhood that gave me the ability to have my own mind from a young age. Child-like things we did as kids I still love, I spent a lot of time on a farm with animals, I still love as I got older and experimented and found other things I liked and disliked, beliefs I held and didn't hold. All a natural progression through life.

!ike everyone I've had some pretty shit things happen to me, some my own doing through bad choices some not my own doing through circumstances.

Up until about ten years ago I would say I was pretty fucked up and decided to change, its not been easy it's been a slow transition. But at 50 I've conquered my demons I honestly think as a person I'm the best I've ever been most definitely to my self. Not perfect but I'm truelly happy with what I've become if people could see what I was like before I'm unrecognisable from the adult I had become.

But I've just thought about this and I'm more like the child Karen than the adult Karen I was.

That's my thinking over

Thank you for thinking with us what did you think

I guess I feel a mixed opinion in your response. You recognize things that have not changed from your childhood, things that have remained constant. But at the same time you note that you've had a monumental change in your life. I think you are on the side of continuity, though I don't think you clarified what you think makes us continuous. because we are living creatures, we don't just stop dead and never feel, see, hear, taste, touch or have any progressive emotions. We don't stop having life experiences, I like the person I am, that doesn't mean I'm not going to get any better, just this year I gained a new love and all the emotions that have come with that. I might try something new for tea and like that or I might go to Alton towers and decide rollercoaster are not for me, to me the only way you can't continue is if your dead

"

But what about the ship? It is not living. Is it the same ship that left shore if all the parts have been fixed and changed during the journey?

And if someone traced the ship's journey and picked up all the pieces and put another ship together. Then which is the real ship?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's not, it's really straight forward.

Just close your eyes and observe your thoughts, whatever is buzzing around in your head at the moment, observe it. Then tell me what happened.

Oh, I've done those before. I don't "see" anything. I just have thoughts zooming around. Cant explain it

you dont know they are your thoughts though..you just accept they are..if you saw them coming from a different source and could visualize that in a sund proof room, you wouldnt have internal dialogue..you would have silence..what some lineages call 'stopping the world' this is when you receive 'seeing' and can perceive the fabric of the universe and how it forms, those we assume are 'individuals' xx"

Have you tried this Suzy, just quietly observing your thoughts?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Right here we go, most of my deep routed things are what I learnt in cnildhood.

Manners I've never lost them some of my food dislikes stem from cnildhood, I witnessed things in my cnildhood that gave me the ability to have my own mind from a young age. Child-like things we did as kids I still love, I spent a lot of time on a farm with animals, I still love as I got older and experimented and found other things I liked and disliked, beliefs I held and didn't hold. All a natural progression through life.

!ike everyone I've had some pretty shit things happen to me, some my own doing through bad choices some not my own doing through circumstances.

Up until about ten years ago I would say I was pretty fucked up and decided to change, its not been easy it's been a slow transition. But at 50 I've conquered my demons I honestly think as a person I'm the best I've ever been most definitely to my self. Not perfect but I'm truelly happy with what I've become if people could see what I was like before I'm unrecognisable from the adult I had become.

But I've just thought about this and I'm more like the child Karen than the adult Karen I was.

That's my thinking over

Thank you for thinking with us what did you think

I guess I feel a mixed opinion in your response. You recognize things that have not changed from your childhood, things that have remained constant. But at the same time you note that you've had a monumental change in your life. I think you are on the side of continuity, though I don't think you clarified what you think makes us continuous. because we are living creatures, we don't just stop dead and never feel, see, hear, taste, touch or have any progressive emotions. We don't stop having life experiences, I like the person I am, that doesn't mean I'm not going to get any better, just this year I gained a new love and all the emotions that have come with that. I might try something new for tea and like that or I might go to Alton towers and decide rollercoaster are not for me, to me the only way you can't continue is if your dead

But what about the ship? It is not living. Is it the same ship that left shore if all the parts have been fixed and changed during the journey?

And if someone traced the ship's journey and picked up all the pieces and put another ship together. Then which is the real ship?"

But throughout the physical change in our lifetime, the memories remain, so the physical body is the same in image only, but the mind remains the accumulation of memories since we first began recording them.

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over a year ago

Hmm made me think that.

I guess I was born a pink Lego brick. As I grew people tried to add different values and beliefs some have stuck, some after adding experiences have been swapped out.

The building process is always morphing and the overall may look different as time goes on. But that little pink Lego brick is still there. Now it just has lots of other colourful Lego bricks and has grown into a clearer picture I'm always learning...

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over a year ago


"Right here we go, most of my deep routed things are what I learnt in cnildhood.

Manners I've never lost them some of my food dislikes stem from cnildhood, I witnessed things in my cnildhood that gave me the ability to have my own mind from a young age. Child-like things we did as kids I still love, I spent a lot of time on a farm with animals, I still love as I got older and experimented and found other things I liked and disliked, beliefs I held and didn't hold. All a natural progression through life.

!ike everyone I've had some pretty shit things happen to me, some my own doing through bad choices some not my own doing through circumstances.

Up until about ten years ago I would say I was pretty fucked up and decided to change, its not been easy it's been a slow transition. But at 50 I've conquered my demons I honestly think as a person I'm the best I've ever been most definitely to my self. Not perfect but I'm truelly happy with what I've become if people could see what I was like before I'm unrecognisable from the adult I had become.

But I've just thought about this and I'm more like the child Karen than the adult Karen I was.

That's my thinking over

Thank you for thinking with us what did you think

I guess I feel a mixed opinion in your response. You recognize things that have not changed from your childhood, things that have remained constant. But at the same time you note that you've had a monumental change in your life. I think you are on the side of continuity, though I don't think you clarified what you think makes us continuous. because we are living creatures, we don't just stop dead and never feel, see, hear, taste, touch or have any progressive emotions. We don't stop having life experiences, I like the person I am, that doesn't mean I'm not going to get any better, just this year I gained a new love and all the emotions that have come with that. I might try something new for tea and like that or I might go to Alton towers and decide rollercoaster are not for me, to me the only way you can't continue is if your dead

But what about the ship? It is not living. Is it the same ship that left shore if all the parts have been fixed and changed during the journey?

And if someone traced the ship's journey and picked up all the pieces and put another ship together. Then which is the real ship?

But throughout the physical change in our lifetime, the memories remain, so the physical body is the same in image only, but the mind remains the accumulation of memories since we first began recording them."

But not necessarily since your mind will forget memories all the time. It will also remember things incorrectly. What then?

My phone is dying!! Oh well, good conversation all! Continue on without me. Although....if you continue without the OP is the thread REALLY the same thread as its original?!?

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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside


"It's not, it's really straight forward.

Just close your eyes and observe your thoughts, whatever is buzzing around in your head at the moment, observe it. Then tell me what happened.

Oh, I've done those before. I don't "see" anything. I just have thoughts zooming around. Cant explain it

you dont know they are your thoughts though..you just accept they are..if you saw them coming from a different source and could visualize that in a sund proof room, you wouldnt have internal dialogue..you would have silence..what some lineages call 'stopping the world' this is when you receive 'seeing' and can perceive the fabric of the universe and how it forms, those we assume are 'individuals' xx

Have you tried this Suzy, just quietly observing your thoughts?"

i stopped the world permanently after years of internal work Mr nordy..back in 2012...i have no thoughts, i may have reflections occasionally reaction, of other peoples projections, but entering silence eliminates that...awareness arises and is communicated but there is no 'barrier' of self reflection.

on occasion..i observe myself interacting but thats the double or silent witness position..x

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Hmm made me think that.

I guess I was born a pink Lego brick. As I grew people tried to add different values and beliefs some have stuck, some after adding experiences have been swapped out.

The building process is always morphing and the overall may look different as time goes on. But that little pink Lego brick is still there. Now it just has lots of other colourful Lego bricks and has grown into a clearer picture I'm always learning..."

I think that is a wonderful description

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over a year ago


"Hmm made me think that.

I guess I was born a pink Lego brick. As I grew people tried to add different values and beliefs some have stuck, some after adding experiences have been swapped out.

The building process is always morphing and the overall may look different as time goes on. But that little pink Lego brick is still there. Now it just has lots of other colourful Lego bricks and has grown into a clearer picture I'm always learning..."

Love the Lego analogy, would you say that the little pink brick was your image?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In many ways I am the same but not all. I hold many of the same values, moral's as I have always held and always will, something's you just cant change but ofcourse I grown in many other ways."

I'd agree with this, the values and morals I had growing up are the same, the rest of me I'd say has been broken, repaired, modified altered, enough that although I'm the same person as such I have very different goals, out look and requirements for life than I did.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hmm made me think that.

I guess I was born a pink Lego brick. As I grew people tried to add different values and beliefs some have stuck, some after adding experiences have been swapped out.

The building process is always morphing and the overall may look different as time goes on. But that little pink Lego brick is still there. Now it just has lots of other colourful Lego bricks and has grown into a clearer picture I'm always learning...

Love the Lego analogy, would you say that the little pink brick was your image?"
no that's the newborn baby my image is the overall picture the bricks make up and my personality I guess is the blend of the different coloured/ shaped bricks...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hmm made me think that.

I guess I was born a pink Lego brick. As I grew people tried to add different values and beliefs some have stuck, some after adding experiences have been swapped out.

The building process is always morphing and the overall may look different as time goes on. But that little pink Lego brick is still there. Now it just has lots of other colourful Lego bricks and has grown into a clearer picture I'm always learning...

Love the Lego analogy, would you say that the little pink brick was your image? no that's the newborn baby my image is the overall picture the bricks make up and my personality I guess is the blend of the different coloured/ shaped bricks..."

What do you mean by the baby being "still there" ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hmm made me think that.

I guess I was born a pink Lego brick. As I grew people tried to add different values and beliefs some have stuck, some after adding experiences have been swapped out.

The building process is always morphing and the overall may look different as time goes on. But that little pink Lego brick is still there. Now it just has lots of other colourful Lego bricks and has grown into a clearer picture I'm always learning...

Love the Lego analogy, would you say that the little pink brick was your image? no that's the newborn baby my image is the overall picture the bricks make up and my personality I guess is the blend of the different coloured/ shaped bricks...

What do you mean by the baby being "still there" ?"

God Mr nordy proper making me work here

Well I'm still the body I still have the genes I was born with some characteristics from parents etc??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hmm made me think that.

I guess I was born a pink Lego brick. As I grew people tried to add different values and beliefs some have stuck, some after adding experiences have been swapped out.

The building process is always morphing and the overall may look different as time goes on. But that little pink Lego brick is still there. Now it just has lots of other colourful Lego bricks and has grown into a clearer picture I'm always learning...

Love the Lego analogy, would you say that the little pink brick was your image? no that's the newborn baby my image is the overall picture the bricks make up and my personality I guess is the blend of the different coloured/ shaped bricks...

What do you mean by the baby being "still there" ?

God Mr nordy proper making me work here

Well I'm still the body I still have the genes I was born with some characteristics from parents etc??"

Sorry,I'm just a nosey git.

So the genes are are what determine our physical image, what determines I, me, Self?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuck me that's pretty deep for a Monday !

We are just a pair of sexual deviants who love to live the debauched lifestyle we are in

Since we only met 5 years ago , we are nothing like the people we were .

Much happier being who we are now

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"I'm me

But who is "me", that you are referring to?

This one.

*gestures*

The physical body?

All of the everything - good and bad. This.

But when you say " I'm upset, or I'm feeling angry ", what is the I you are referring to, the physical body?"

I always say 'only you can make yourself angry'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hmm made me think that.

I guess I was born a pink Lego brick. As I grew people tried to add different values and beliefs some have stuck, some after adding experiences have been swapped out.

The building process is always morphing and the overall may look different as time goes on. But that little pink Lego brick is still there. Now it just has lots of other colourful Lego bricks and has grown into a clearer picture I'm always learning...

Love the Lego analogy, would you say that the little pink brick was your image? no that's the newborn baby my image is the overall picture the bricks make up and my personality I guess is the blend of the different coloured/ shaped bricks...

What do you mean by the baby being "still there" ?

God Mr nordy proper making me work here

Well I'm still the body I still have the genes I was born with some characteristics from parents etc??

Sorry,I'm just a nosey git.

So the genes are are what determine our physical image, what determines I, me, Self?"

Yes physical is just genetics. Who we are if you will is the bricks that get added.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm me

But who is "me", that you are referring to?

This one.

*gestures*

The physical body?

All of the everything - good and bad. This.

But when you say " I'm upset, or I'm feeling angry ", what is the I you are referring to, the physical body?

I always say 'only you can make yourself angry'"

But what is you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hmm made me think that.

I guess I was born a pink Lego brick. As I grew people tried to add different values and beliefs some have stuck, some after adding experiences have been swapped out.

The building process is always morphing and the overall may look different as time goes on. But that little pink Lego brick is still there. Now it just has lots of other colourful Lego bricks and has grown into a clearer picture I'm always learning...

Love the Lego analogy, would you say that the little pink brick was your image? no that's the newborn baby my image is the overall picture the bricks make up and my personality I guess is the blend of the different coloured/ shaped bricks...

What do you mean by the baby being "still there" ?

God Mr nordy proper making me work here

Well I'm still the body I still have the genes I was born with some characteristics from parents etc??

Sorry,I'm just a nosey git.

So the genes are are what determine our physical image, what determines I, me, Self?

Yes physical is just genetics. Who we are if you will is the bricks that get added. "

So, experiences committed to memory?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Am loving this thought provoking thread. I feel I am in a lot of ways like a child trapped in the body of a 48 yr old woman. Some of my earliest memories still shape who I am today because of early childhood trauma and abuse I an sure I am not alone in this and as I have grown older I have become very a depth at hiding my many insecurities n fear putting on a mask of bravado and confidence while shaking like a kitten inside. I found being diagnosed bi polar in my 30's both distressing and liberating at the same time because before diagnosis I felt I was losing myself over and over due to my often random irrational thoughts about who smushy really was. I felt at times like I was an invader in my own mind an outsider looking in if you like. We are all constantly changing and in a state of flux but on my darkest days I am still that terrified naked 3 yr old praying for my mummy to come save me from the bad man

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hmm made me think that.

I guess I was born a pink Lego brick. As I grew people tried to add different values and beliefs some have stuck, some after adding experiences have been swapped out.

The building process is always morphing and the overall may look different as time goes on. But that little pink Lego brick is still there. Now it just has lots of other colourful Lego bricks and has grown into a clearer picture I'm always learning...

Love the Lego analogy, would you say that the little pink brick was your image? no that's the newborn baby my image is the overall picture the bricks make up and my personality I guess is the blend of the different coloured/ shaped bricks...

What do you mean by the baby being "still there" ?

God Mr nordy proper making me work here

Well I'm still the body I still have the genes I was born with some characteristics from parents etc??

Sorry,I'm just a nosey git.

So the genes are are what determine our physical image, what determines I, me, Self?

Yes physical is just genetics. Who we are if you will is the bricks that get added.

So, experiences committed to memory?"

No not as they happen exactly they are filtered according to what they teach us. We compare them against what's already there and if it fits it gets added if we think something s a load of bollock's we will throw the brick away..

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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside


"Hmm made me think that.

I guess I was born a pink Lego brick. As I grew people tried to add different values and beliefs some have stuck, some after adding experiences have been swapped out.

The building process is always morphing and the overall may look different as time goes on. But that little pink Lego brick is still there. Now it just has lots of other colourful Lego bricks and has grown into a clearer picture I'm always learning...

Love the Lego analogy, would you say that the little pink brick was your image? no that's the newborn baby my image is the overall picture the bricks make up and my personality I guess is the blend of the different coloured/ shaped bricks...

What do you mean by the baby being "still there" ?

God Mr nordy proper making me work here

Well I'm still the body I still have the genes I was born with some characteristics from parents etc??

Sorry,I'm just a nosey git.

So the genes are are what determine our physical image, what determines I, me, Self?

Yes physical is just genetics. Who we are if you will is the bricks that get added. "

genes are just projections from your parents, in energy terms..so you are 'recognizable' to them... they created you and your genetic makeup...so they are not 'yours'.. they are a structure created by someone else...unpick your parents 'charge over you, you could create new genetic makeup..its about disrupting patterns...because where there is matter..there is geometry...alter the shape and you could morph into something entirely different...and your form would reflect those changes

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By *andsonjohnMan
over a year ago

in the eye of the storm

The human conduction is in a constant state of flux if you ask me because every experience no matter how big how small influences us shapes us.

For this reason we are forever changing slightly .

That's my take on life and being human .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hmm made me think that.

I guess I was born a pink Lego brick. As I grew people tried to add different values and beliefs some have stuck, some after adding experiences have been swapped out.

The building process is always morphing and the overall may look different as time goes on. But that little pink Lego brick is still there. Now it just has lots of other colourful Lego bricks and has grown into a clearer picture I'm always learning...

Love the Lego analogy, would you say that the little pink brick was your image? no that's the newborn baby my image is the overall picture the bricks make up and my personality I guess is the blend of the different coloured/ shaped bricks...

What do you mean by the baby being "still there" ?

God Mr nordy proper making me work here

Well I'm still the body I still have the genes I was born with some characteristics from parents etc??

Sorry,I'm just a nosey git.

So the genes are are what determine our physical image, what determines I, me, Self?

Yes physical is just genetics. Who we are if you will is the bricks that get added.

So, experiences committed to memory?

No not as they happen exactly they are filtered according to what they teach us. We compare them against what's already there and if it fits it gets added if we think something s a load of bollock's we will throw the brick away.."

Ok, so what is doing the filtering, is it still memory?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What was the question again

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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside


"Hmm made me think that.

I guess I was born a pink Lego brick. As I grew people tried to add different values and beliefs some have stuck, some after adding experiences have been swapped out.

The building process is always morphing and the overall may look different as time goes on. But that little pink Lego brick is still there. Now it just has lots of other colourful Lego bricks and has grown into a clearer picture I'm always learning...

Love the Lego analogy, would you say that the little pink brick was your image? no that's the newborn baby my image is the overall picture the bricks make up and my personality I guess is the blend of the different coloured/ shaped bricks...

What do you mean by the baby being "still there" ?

God Mr nordy proper making me work here

Well I'm still the body I still have the genes I was born with some characteristics from parents etc??

Sorry,I'm just a nosey git.

So the genes are are what determine our physical image, what determines I, me, Self?

Yes physical is just genetics. Who we are if you will is the bricks that get added.

So, experiences committed to memory?"

perception is reality..so you hold on to the individualized perception of your experience..its never the same perception as anyone else..this is what creates the unique form..of the human..change perception..by unhooking from the fixed 'known' and then you find theres a whole lot of unknown, you can mould and 'host'..i wouldnt say own, because the potential reality is only borrowed, the playground exists, even if you dont...people say they are something as this fixes thier reality to give them a sense of solidity, but this is purely for a sense of self, its only one truth..to experience the playground, through...

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

There are core aspects of me that continue but I have changed a fairly considerable amount since I was a child as well as whilst an adult.

Of course our memories get interfered with, every time that we access them, so remembering who I used to be gets contaminated now, whenever the current me considers that me. So I can't give a 'clean' comparison and I'm certainly biased.

I'm a bit more measured in my approach to life, I will consider more things as acceptable and interesting too and I am probably much more loving in a mature way now. Having said that I have let some things become much more emboldened, such as intolerance of some traits and behaviours in others - I may reflect on people a bit but I largely have a very bold 'Do not Cross' line now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hmm made me think that.

I guess I was born a pink Lego brick. As I grew people tried to add different values and beliefs some have stuck, some after adding experiences have been swapped out.

The building process is always morphing and the overall may look different as time goes on. But that little pink Lego brick is still there. Now it just has lots of other colourful Lego bricks and has grown into a clearer picture I'm always learning...

Love the Lego analogy, would you say that the little pink brick was your image? no that's the newborn baby my image is the overall picture the bricks make up and my personality I guess is the blend of the different coloured/ shaped bricks...

What do you mean by the baby being "still there" ?

God Mr nordy proper making me work here

Well I'm still the body I still have the genes I was born with some characteristics from parents etc??

Sorry,I'm just a nosey git.

So the genes are are what determine our physical image, what determines I, me, Self?

Yes physical is just genetics. Who we are if you will is the bricks that get added.

So, experiences committed to memory?

No not as they happen exactly they are filtered according to what they teach us. We compare them against what's already there and if it fits it gets added if we think something s a load of bollock's we will throw the brick away..

Ok, so what is doing the filtering, is it still memory?"

Your brain filters/deletes and adds according to our current beliefs and experiences and emotions the memory invokes. A memory is not a standalone thing in the way its being discussed that's just the visual image you see imprinted on the brick if you were to examine it. That image may be completely different to the facts of the 'real thung'. In the same way you can select brick and replay the sounds, emotions and smells from that experience....

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over a year ago


"Hmm made me think that.

I guess I was born a pink Lego brick. As I grew people tried to add different values and beliefs some have stuck, some after adding experiences have been swapped out.

The building process is always morphing and the overall may look different as time goes on. But that little pink Lego brick is still there. Now it just has lots of other colourful Lego bricks and has grown into a clearer picture I'm always learning...

Love the Lego analogy, would you say that the little pink brick was your image? no that's the newborn baby my image is the overall picture the bricks make up and my personality I guess is the blend of the different coloured/ shaped bricks...

What do you mean by the baby being "still there" ?

God Mr nordy proper making me work here

Well I'm still the body I still have the genes I was born with some characteristics from parents etc??

Sorry,I'm just a nosey git.

So the genes are are what determine our physical image, what determines I, me, Self?

Yes physical is just genetics. Who we are if you will is the bricks that get added.

So, experiences committed to memory?

perception is reality..so you hold on to the individualized perception of your experience..its never the same perception as anyone else..this is what creates the unique form..of the human..change perception..by unhooking from the fixed 'known' and then you find theres a whole lot of unknown, you can mould and 'host'..i wouldnt say own, because the potential reality is only borrowed, the playground exists, even if you dont...people say they are something as this fixes thier reality to give them a sense of solidity, but this is purely for a sense of self, its only one truth..to experience the playground, through..."

The energy that is used to bring us into being is always there, always has been and always will be, but in that short space of time that is our existence, apart from the physical existence, what else is there that we call me?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hmm made me think that.

I guess I was born a pink Lego brick. As I grew people tried to add different values and beliefs some have stuck, some after adding experiences have been swapped out.

The building process is always morphing and the overall may look different as time goes on. But that little pink Lego brick is still there. Now it just has lots of other colourful Lego bricks and has grown into a clearer picture I'm always learning...

Love the Lego analogy, would you say that the little pink brick was your image? no that's the newborn baby my image is the overall picture the bricks make up and my personality I guess is the blend of the different coloured/ shaped bricks...

What do you mean by the baby being "still there" ?

God Mr nordy proper making me work here

Well I'm still the body I still have the genes I was born with some characteristics from parents etc??

Sorry,I'm just a nosey git.

So the genes are are what determine our physical image, what determines I, me, Self?

Yes physical is just genetics. Who we are if you will is the bricks that get added.

So, experiences committed to memory?

No not as they happen exactly they are filtered according to what they teach us. We compare them against what's already there and if it fits it gets added if we think something s a load of bollock's we will throw the brick away..

Ok, so what is doing the filtering, is it still memory?

Your brain filters/deletes and adds according to our current beliefs and experiences and emotions the memory invokes. A memory is not a standalone thing in the way its being discussed that's just the visual image you see imprinted on the brick if you were to examine it. That image may be completely different to the facts of the 'real thung'. In the same way you can select brick and replay the sounds, emotions and smells from that experience...."

I get all that, but another question arises, is the brain just the physical housing for the mind, is there such a thing as a mind that exists without the brain, and can that mind be called I?

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over a year ago


"Hmm made me think that.

I guess I was born a pink Lego brick. As I grew people tried to add different values and beliefs some have stuck, some after adding experiences have been swapped out.

The building process is always morphing and the overall may look different as time goes on. But that little pink Lego brick is still there. Now it just has lots of other colourful Lego bricks and has grown into a clearer picture I'm always learning...

Love the Lego analogy, would you say that the little pink brick was your image? no that's the newborn baby my image is the overall picture the bricks make up and my personality I guess is the blend of the different coloured/ shaped bricks...

What do you mean by the baby being "still there" ?

God Mr nordy proper making me work here

Well I'm still the body I still have the genes I was born with some characteristics from parents etc??

Sorry,I'm just a nosey git.

So the genes are are what determine our physical image, what determines I, me, Self?

Yes physical is just genetics. Who we are if you will is the bricks that get added.

So, experiences committed to memory?

No not as they happen exactly they are filtered according to what they teach us. We compare them against what's already there and if it fits it gets added if we think something s a load of bollock's we will throw the brick away..

Ok, so what is doing the filtering, is it still memory?

Your brain filters/deletes and adds according to our current beliefs and experiences and emotions the memory invokes. A memory is not a standalone thing in the way its being discussed that's just the visual image you see imprinted on the brick if you were to examine it. That image may be completely different to the facts of the 'real thung'. In the same way you can select brick and replay the sounds, emotions and smells from that experience....

I get all that, but another question arises, is the brain just the physical housing for the mind, is there such a thing as a mind that exists without the brain, and can that mind be called I?"
Based on experiences I've had yes without a doubt. For example have you ever left your body?

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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside


"Hmm made me think that.

I guess I was born a pink Lego brick. As I grew people tried to add different values and beliefs some have stuck, some after adding experiences have been swapped out.

The building process is always morphing and the overall may look different as time goes on. But that little pink Lego brick is still there. Now it just has lots of other colourful Lego bricks and has grown into a clearer picture I'm always learning...

Love the Lego analogy, would you say that the little pink brick was your image? no that's the newborn baby my image is the overall picture the bricks make up and my personality I guess is the blend of the different coloured/ shaped bricks...

What do you mean by the baby being "still there" ?

God Mr nordy proper making me work here

Well I'm still the body I still have the genes I was born with some characteristics from parents etc??

Sorry,I'm just a nosey git.

So the genes are are what determine our physical image, what determines I, me, Self?

Yes physical is just genetics. Who we are if you will is the bricks that get added.

So, experiences committed to memory?

perception is reality..so you hold on to the individualized perception of your experience..its never the same perception as anyone else..this is what creates the unique form..of the human..change perception..by unhooking from the fixed 'known' and then you find theres a whole lot of unknown, you can mould and 'host'..i wouldnt say own, because the potential reality is only borrowed, the playground exists, even if you dont...people say they are something as this fixes thier reality to give them a sense of solidity, but this is purely for a sense of self, its only one truth..to experience the playground, through...

The energy that is used to bring us into being is always there, always has been and always will be, but in that short space of time that is our existence, apart from the physical existence, what else is there that we call me?"

i prefer being a no self and hosting as folly that which keeps me in harmony with my surroundings..i dont own anything, yet this keeps me fluid enough to be everything, i am a constant expression of the balance between unknown and know...as i know it, i call that controlled folly...sitting in the unknown totally you cannot create here...ive been there and being in being without active alement of projection is 'pointless'..to make a point, any point here on this plane can be a joy..cos thats the point, id like to make, as my own constant projection of individualized glory of the whole..

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Fuck me that's pretty deep for a Monday !

We are just a pair of sexual deviants who love to live the debauched lifestyle we are in

Since we only met 5 years ago , we are nothing like the people we were .

Much happier being who we are now "

I do my best thinking on Mondays...or worst, depending on how you view it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hmm made me think that.

I guess I was born a pink Lego brick. As I grew people tried to add different values and beliefs some have stuck, some after adding experiences have been swapped out.

The building process is always morphing and the overall may look different as time goes on. But that little pink Lego brick is still there. Now it just has lots of other colourful Lego bricks and has grown into a clearer picture I'm always learning...

Love the Lego analogy, would you say that the little pink brick was your image? no that's the newborn baby my image is the overall picture the bricks make up and my personality I guess is the blend of the different coloured/ shaped bricks...

What do you mean by the baby being "still there" ?

God Mr nordy proper making me work here

Well I'm still the body I still have the genes I was born with some characteristics from parents etc??

Sorry,I'm just a nosey git.

So the genes are are what determine our physical image, what determines I, me, Self?

Yes physical is just genetics. Who we are if you will is the bricks that get added.

So, experiences committed to memory?

No not as they happen exactly they are filtered according to what they teach us. We compare them against what's already there and if it fits it gets added if we think something s a load of bollock's we will throw the brick away..

Ok, so what is doing the filtering, is it still memory?

Your brain filters/deletes and adds according to our current beliefs and experiences and emotions the memory invokes. A memory is not a standalone thing in the way its being discussed that's just the visual image you see imprinted on the brick if you were to examine it. That image may be completely different to the facts of the 'real thung'. In the same way you can select brick and replay the sounds, emotions and smells from that experience....

I get all that, but another question arises, is the brain just the physical housing for the mind, is there such a thing as a mind that exists without the brain, and can that mind be called I? Based on experiences I've had yes without a doubt. For example have you ever left your body?"

I've had those experiences, but I can't say what they are exactly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hmm made me think that.

I guess I was born a pink Lego brick. As I grew people tried to add different values and beliefs some have stuck, some after adding experiences have been swapped out.

The building process is always morphing and the overall may look different as time goes on. But that little pink Lego brick is still there. Now it just has lots of other colourful Lego bricks and has grown into a clearer picture I'm always learning...

Love the Lego analogy, would you say that the little pink brick was your image? no that's the newborn baby my image is the overall picture the bricks make up and my personality I guess is the blend of the different coloured/ shaped bricks...

What do you mean by the baby being "still there" ?

God Mr nordy proper making me work here

Well I'm still the body I still have the genes I was born with some characteristics from parents etc??

Sorry,I'm just a nosey git.

So the genes are are what determine our physical image, what determines I, me, Self?

Yes physical is just genetics. Who we are if you will is the bricks that get added.

So, experiences committed to memory?

No not as they happen exactly they are filtered according to what they teach us. We compare them against what's already there and if it fits it gets added if we think something s a load of bollock's we will throw the brick away..

Ok, so what is doing the filtering, is it still memory?

Your brain filters/deletes and adds according to our current beliefs and experiences and emotions the memory invokes. A memory is not a standalone thing in the way its being discussed that's just the visual image you see imprinted on the brick if you were to examine it. That image may be completely different to the facts of the 'real thung'. In the same way you can select brick and replay the sounds, emotions and smells from that experience....

I get all that, but another question arises, is the brain just the physical housing for the mind, is there such a thing as a mind that exists without the brain, and can that mind be called I? Based on experiences I've had yes without a doubt. For example have you ever left your body?

I've had those experiences, but I can't say what they are exactly."

No me either xx

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

Shit, I read all that and I still think my response was the best!

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Just to add on about the memories that we have -

they're part of our experience but are dynamically re-created every time that we access them. So every time that we remember something it can get altered - maybe just a little each time, a bit like Chinese Whispers alters message content, each time it's repeated.

So our memories can lose some validity, potentially veering further away from whatever was the reality that created our perceptions at the time.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"I'm me

But who is "me", that you are referring to?

This one.

*gestures*

The physical body?

All of the everything - good and bad. This.

But when you say " I'm upset, or I'm feeling angry ", what is the I you are referring to, the physical body?

I always say 'only you can make yourself angry'

But what is you?"

Here?

I'm just a collection of pixels, some lines and dots... a mirage, a fantasy

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Just to add on about the memories that we have -

they're part of our experience but are dynamically re-created every time that we access them. So every time that we remember something it can get altered - maybe just a little each time, a bit like Chinese Whispers alters message content, each time it's repeated.

So our memories can lose some validity, potentially veering further away from whatever was the reality that created our perceptions at the time."

Very astute! I agree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am me just me sat on the settee watching tv ,I play my part in the threads turning heads ,who's he they say talking with whit the cheeky guit well hark I'm mark not with a C as in courtneys but with a K wahay have a nice day

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over a year ago


"I am me just me sat on the settee watching tv ,I play my part in the threads turning heads ,who's he they say talking with whit the cheeky guit well hark I'm mark not with a C as in courtneys but with a K wahay have a nice day "

That made my day

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By *oward1978Man
over a year ago

Rotherham

I'm essentially the same person I was as a little kid. Sure the way you see certain things changes as you get older but I've always felt I've not changed too much. Especially when it comes to the big things. My parents brought me up to have good manners and morals. Those things have never left me. I've just built on them a little, that's all.

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over a year ago


"I am me just me sat on the settee watching tv ,I play my part in the threads turning heads ,who's he they say talking with whit the cheeky guit well hark I'm mark not with a C as in courtneys but with a K wahay have a nice day

That made my day "
hehe

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