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"OP i think your over egging it with the title, they had their property squatted in and they had a choice to evict now or later when the builders start.. yes having an agreement with the temporary residents is to be applauded as it gives people a roof albeit for a short time but it's not like Giggs and Neville have homed anyone due to their philanthropist idea's.. " so what aboout the bit where they are going to work with the organisation concerned and their hope to give employment to some of the squatters during the project and after completion? if that is not philanthropic thyen i'm not sure what is .... regardless, they have given them a winter where they won't be freezing their arses off. i've been in that position and it ain't a pleasant one. | |||
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"i'm greatly impressed with what they have done for the homeless of manchester .... we need more high profile people to follow their example in these tough times of anti-social government policy" . I couldn't agree more, but then I am a lifelong utd fan  | |||
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"OP i think your over egging it with the title, they had their property squatted in and they had a choice to evict now or later when the builders start.. yes having an agreement with the temporary residents is to be applauded as it gives people a roof albeit for a short time but it's not like Giggs and Neville have homed anyone due to their philanthropist idea's.. so what aboout the bit where they are going to work with the organisation concerned and their hope to give employment to some of the squatters during the project and after completion? if that is not philanthropic thyen i'm not sure what is .... regardless, they have given them a winter where they won't be freezing their arses off. i've been in that position and it ain't a pleasant one." as i said its to be applauded that they have agreed for the squatters to stay for a while, have to admit i wasn't aware of the other things you mention so fair play for that.. there is a part of me that thinks PR is going on but if folks have some shelter then thats ok.. | |||
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"wether it's PR or altruism the fact remains that something very positive has been achieved" as clearly stated above..  | |||
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"wether it's PR or altruism the fact remains that something very positive has been achieved as clearly stated above.. "no need for the eye rolling seeing as how we were in agreement on that | |||
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"wether it's PR or altruism the fact remains that something very positive has been achieved as clearly stated above..
no need for the eye rolling seeing as how we were in agreement on that "to be honest no need to keep repeating something agreed on.. however, lets leave it at that.. | |||
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"wether it's PR or altruism the fact remains that something very positive has been achieved as clearly stated above..
no need for the eye rolling seeing as how we were in agreement on that
to be honest no need to keep repeating something agreed on..
however, lets leave it at that.."what evs trevs | |||
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" there is a part of me that thinks PR is going on but if folks have some shelter then thats ok.." So what if there is an element of PR going on? If you knew anything about the 2 guys apart from what the tabloids print you will find that G Nev in particular is a very conscientious character and if their public profile can heighten awareness of such a cause is not the PR side of things to be applauded rather than scorned? | |||
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" there is a part of me that thinks PR is going on but if folks have some shelter then thats ok.. So what if there is an element of PR going on? If you knew anything about the 2 guys apart from what the tabloids print you will find that G Nev in particular is a very conscientious character and if their public profile can heighten awareness of such a cause is not the PR side of things to be applauded rather than scorned?" i dont read the tabloids and i probably know them as little as you do and in any case where did i say anyone isn't conscientious..? think you may need to read the whole thread before talking about anyone being 'scorned'..? oh and i already said they are to be applauded.. | |||
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"bump cause its funny "homelessness is not funny.. but you probably know that Ricky.. | |||
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" there is a part of me that thinks PR is going on but if folks have some shelter then thats ok.. So what if there is an element of PR going on? If you knew anything about the 2 guys apart from what the tabloids print you will find that G Nev in particular is a very conscientious character and if their public profile can heighten awareness of such a cause is not the PR side of things to be applauded rather than scorned? i dont read the tabloids and i probably know them as little as you do and in any case where did i say anyone isn't conscientious..? think you may need to read the whole thread before talking about anyone being 'scorned'..? oh and i already said they are to be applauded.. " I have already read the entire thread and if you had bothered to do the same you would have noticed I mentioned only about the PR being scorned not the people themselves so your indignation is pointed in the wrong direction,if homelessness gets bumped to front pages in a positive light due to the personalities involved then what harm if they get good PR they are under no obligation to do anything to help the homeless yet they can now use their profiles to heighten awareness. | |||
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" there is a part of me that thinks PR is going on but if folks have some shelter then thats ok.. So what if there is an element of PR going on? If you knew anything about the 2 guys apart from what the tabloids print you will find that G Nev in particular is a very conscientious character and if their public profile can heighten awareness of such a cause is not the PR side of things to be applauded rather than scorned? i dont read the tabloids and i probably know them as little as you do and in any case where did i say anyone isn't conscientious..? think you may need to read the whole thread before talking about anyone being 'scorned'..? oh and i already said they are to be applauded.. I have already read the entire thread and if you had bothered to do the same you would have noticed I mentioned only about the PR being scorned not the people themselves so your indignation is pointed in the wrong direction,if homelessness gets bumped to front pages in a positive light due to the personalities involved then what harm if they get good PR they are under no obligation to do anything to help the homeless yet they can now use their profiles to heighten awareness." agree on the homelessness issue, but the only mention of scorned is your perception of my comment above re; PR.. which was an observation, not a condemnation.. | |||
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"They won't need builders i reckon. Squatters often do up properties they're living in. Yeah you don't hear about that in the news though." I don't think anyone would want squatters in their property and in any event squatters would have no right to do any work on someone else's property . Why don't squatters pay for their accommodation like everyone else does or are they so selfish that they do not care about anyone else but themselves ? .We should not be taking any action that either encourages or assists squatters . How would you feel if you came home any found squatters occupying your house . | |||
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"Free security." I don't think many people would want free security from squatters. It is a pity the squatters did not give some though to those who pay our way in society | |||
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"They won't need builders i reckon. Squatters often do up properties they're living in. Yeah you don't hear about that in the news though. I don't think anyone would want squatters in their property and in any event squatters would have no right to do any work on someone else's property . Why don't squatters pay for their accommodation like everyone else does or are they so selfish that they do not care about anyone else but themselves ? .We should not be taking any action that either encourages or assists squatters . How would you feel if you came home any found squatters occupying your house . " Neville brothers don't seem to mind though...but i get your point. Although don't presume i respect the current system of ownership and who is allowed to own property and who isn't, financial status dictates this and as we all know financial status is not equal or even equal opportunity. If everyone was respected then we wouldn't have squatters in the first place, and no homeless. | |||
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They're a good pair, done a great deal for Manchester for a long period. | |||
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"It's a positive thing, done by people who didn't need to. Let's just all agree and be happy, yeah?
They're a good pair, done a great deal for Manchester for a long period."It is however a dangerous practice to consider awarding those who are breaking the law . They may be in the privileged position of being able to afford to do this but what about other home owners who are not so well off and lose thousands through the actions of squatters . We should never attempt to work with squatters , this is only encouraging people to break the law . | |||
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"It's a positive thing, done by people who didn't need to. Let's just all agree and be happy, yeah?
They're a good pair, done a great deal for Manchester for a long period. It is however a dangerous practice to consider awarding those who are breaking the law . They may be in the privileged position of being able to afford to do this but what about other home owners who are not so well off and lose thousands through the actions of squatters . We should never attempt to work with squatters , this is only encouraging people to break the law . "Plenty of laws are crap anyway. How come you aren't paying hat tax? That used to be law at one time...apologies if you don't actually own any hats. We should be working on a society that works for everyone in it, not just the privileged. And we should be working on a society where everyone has equal privilege. | |||
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"It's a positive thing, done by people who didn't need to. Let's just all agree and be happy, yeah?
They're a good pair, done a great deal for Manchester for a long period."I agree 
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"It's a positive thing, done by people who didn't need to. Let's just all agree and be happy, yeah?
They're a good pair, done a great deal for Manchester for a long period. It is however a dangerous practice to consider awarding those who are breaking the law . They may be in the privileged position of being able to afford to do this but what about other home owners who are not so well off and lose thousands through the actions of squatters . We should never attempt to work with squatters , this is only encouraging people to break the law . "They aren't all breaking the law, and also it was a moral choice. Plenty of people could accommodate more needy and don't. And if people are losing thousands from squatters then there are laws in place for them. I'm a landlord and I've never been in that position with squatters, but I have allowed a tenant to live rent free for a month. I'm sure Giggs and Neville couldn't win either way with this position, they've made what I think is the decent choice. Imagine if they'd kicked them out and the papers had that as a potential story... | |||
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" Why don't squatters pay for their accommodation like everyone else does or are they so selfish that they do not care about anyone else but themselves ? .We should not be taking any action that either encourages or assists squatters . " destitution .... and considering the theme of this is that some homeless folk have a place indoors for the winter, i'm guessing the irony of what you've written here is lost on you. seems you not only dislike altruism, you even dislike others being altruistic. | |||
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"OP i think your over egging it with the title, they had their property squatted in and they had a choice to evict now or later when the builders start.. yes having an agreement with the temporary residents is to be applauded as it gives people a roof albeit for a short time but it's not like Giggs and Neville have homed anyone due to their philanthropist idea's.. " Exactly. They're hardly feeding the world, are they. Lol | |||
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" Why don't squatters pay for their accommodation like everyone else does or are they so selfish that they do not care about anyone else but themselves ? .We should not be taking any action that either encourages or assists squatters . destitution .... and considering the theme of this is that some homeless folk have a place indoors for the winter, i'm guessing the irony of what you've written here is lost on you. seems you not only dislike altruism, you even dislike others being altruistic. " . Who said that these squatters were homeless ?. What about the welfare and housing benefit that they are entitled to. ? How can they be destitute ?. I I prefer to award those who adhere to the laws , not those who break them.. | |||
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"It's a positive thing, done by people who didn't need to. Let's just all agree and be happy, yeah?
They're a good pair, done a great deal for Manchester for a long period. It is however a dangerous practice to consider awarding those who are breaking the law . They may be in the privileged position of being able to afford to do this but what about other home owners who are not so well off and lose thousands through the actions of squatters . We should never attempt to work with squatters , this is only encouraging people to break the law .
They aren't all breaking the law, and also it was a moral choice. Plenty of people could accommodate more needy and don't. And if people are losing thousands from squatters then there are laws in place for them. I'm a landlord and I've never been in that position with squatters, but I have allowed a tenant to live rent free for a month. I'm sure Giggs and Neville couldn't win either way with this position, they've made what I think is the decent choice. Imagine if they'd kicked them out and the papers had that as a potential story...". I don't think too many members of the general public would be too worried about squatters being evicted from a house which they had no right to occupy in the first instance . Their actions in working with squatters are totally irresponsible and hardly an example which many people should follow . | |||
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" Why don't squatters pay for their accommodation like everyone else does or are they so selfish that they do not care about anyone else but themselves ? .We should not be taking any action that either encourages or assists squatters . destitution .... and considering the theme of this is that some homeless folk have a place indoors for the winter, i'm guessing the irony of what you've written here is lost on you. seems you not only dislike altruism, you even dislike others being altruistic. . Who said that these squatters were homeless ?. What about the welfare and housing benefit that they are entitled to. ? How can they be destitute ?. I I prefer to award those who adhere to the laws , not those who break them.." Rape of wives was permitted under law. Working in dangerous situations was legal at one time. Collateral damage, killing of innocents, during war is legal right now. It's not always the ethical thing to do to support law makers or enforcers. We live in a society that thinks profit is the best choice over being humane, and it's fine to wreck anything in the name of profit, this includes wrecking humans, animals and eco systems. No fuck that shit, anyone who supports this way of thinking is wrong, imo. | |||
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" . Who said that these squatters were homeless ?. What about the welfare and housing benefit that they are entitled to. ? How can they be destitute ?. I I prefer to award those who adhere to the laws , not those who break them.." are you trying to say they aren't homeless??? 
to get welfare you need a permanent address. to have a permanent address you need a house. to get housing benefit guess what? .... that's right, you need a house. if you have no means of subsistance;lacking food, clothing and shelter then you're destitute .... even i got taught that in primary school.
the opposite of destitute? affluent, but i won't bother telling you the definition of that word because i'm guessing you know all too well what it means.
and who exactly is breaking the law here and what law has been broken. if any law was broken how come they haven't been arrested?
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