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"If someone is in control of a motor vehicle and can't understand the concept of a Zebra crossing, then they should not be on the road in my opinion "absolutley its not as though you can't see them. | |||
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"If someone is in control of a motor vehicle and can't understand the concept of a Zebra crossing, then they should not be on the road in my opinion "In Bristol some idiot has decided to put a zebra crossing several foot from A roundabout on a road that links to a ring road and gets really busy | |||
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"Idiots. Just changed a roundabout by work to make it easier for cyclists to use (no problem in that) but since change it has caused six cyclists to be knocked off bikes as the lane markings change halfway round the roundabout causing both cars and bikes to do last min lane changes. Bonkers!" I'm a cyclist and there's problems up here with them too, they have also put small lane dividers in some places that are also causing problems with other road users and cyclists  | |||
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"If someone is in control of a motor vehicle and can't understand the concept of a Zebra crossing, then they should not be on the road in my opinion "Wows maybe you should have a visual view of the blind spots they are placed.10 yards further along and it would be a safer option. Xxx   | |||
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"If someone is in control of a motor vehicle and can't understand the concept of a Zebra crossing, then they should not be on the road in my opinion absolutley its not as though you can't see them.
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And pedestrian lights after round abouts and just after you go through a major cross road. The amount of near misses after the cross round is silly, I'm quite a cautious driver and it's caught me once as you just don't expect it | |||
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"If someone is in control of a motor vehicle and can't understand the concept of a Zebra crossing, then they should not be on the road in my opinion "The issue isn't understand it's that it causes traffic to be stopped on a round about clogging up all the exits and entrances | |||
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"If you want to see town planning at its best, go visit Skelmersdale. " Lol yes that's a place where the planner must have just bought a new compass and wanted to draw as many little circles as possible :p | |||
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"If you want to see town planning at its best, go visit Skelmersdale. Lol yes that's a place where the planner must have just bought a new compass and wanted to draw as many little circles as possible :p" There is a set of traffic lights in there, as I came across them once when I worked in the place. | |||
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"If you want to see town planning at its best, go visit Skelmersdale. Lol yes that's a place where the planner must have just bought a new compass and wanted to draw as many little circles as possible :p There is a set of traffic lights in there, as I came across them once when I worked in the place." You lie! Skem is world of roundabout I have noticed that here in Liverpool zebra crossings are more of an optional extra that don't seem to require cars to stop......I have on more than one occasion been halfway across and had cars go either way past me | |||
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"If you want to see town planning at its best, go visit Skelmersdale. Lol yes that's a place where the planner must have just bought a new compass and wanted to draw as many little circles as possible :p There is a set of traffic lights in there, as I came across them once when I worked in the place. You lie! Skem is world of roundabout I have noticed that here in Liverpool zebra crossings are more of an optional extra that don't seem to require cars to stop......I have on more than one occasion been halfway across and had cars go either way past me "I know what you mean, some poor sod did this to me. Shame I had my work boots on at the time, as I kicked his car as he drove past me as I was on the crossing | |||
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"If you want to see town planning at its best, go visit Skelmersdale. While I agree with the point about the placement of the crossing, the reason could be the amount of pedestrians trying to cross the road there. So it is made safer for them, sadly not you road users." great in Skem, never see the pedestrians! No traffic lights either. A world of huge roundabouts | |||
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"I don't quite understand this thread. Are we saying that pedestrians are a nuisance and shouldn't be allowed on the roads? When pedestrians come to a busy road junction, how are they meant to cross safely? It's bad enough drivers rarely understand the concept of giving way to pedestrians as it is.
Mr ddc"I think it's more about the bad planning on where crossings etc..get put . | |||
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"Put Zebra crossings right next to busy roundabouts, yes i am moaning. I see this as a danger anyone else agree? or is this the norm having multiple near misses at such places in the UK. Who are these shady people who plan congestion and accident spots on purpose....any bad traffic planning in your town?" And its not as if you ever see a zebra using one! | |||
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"Put Zebra crossings right next to busy roundabouts, yes i am moaning. I see this as a danger anyone else agree? or is this the norm having multiple near misses at such places in the UK. Who are these shady people who plan congestion and accident spots on purpose....any bad traffic planning in your town? And its not as if you ever see a zebra using one!" 
Also and I will get moaned at for this ..a lot of people all ages have no road safety sense ..its scarey the people that cross roads without looking | |||
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"Put Zebra crossings right next to busy roundabouts, yes i am moaning. I see this as a danger anyone else agree? or is this the norm having multiple near misses at such places in the UK. Who are these shady people who plan congestion and accident spots on purpose....any bad traffic planning in your town?" The onus is just as much on the pedestrian. To make sure the road is clear and it's safe to cross as it is the car driver to stop when they see someone waiting . Pedestrians are supposed to wait till the cars have stopped before they cross . It's not that difficult to work out , exactly what's the issue | |||
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"I don't quite understand this thread. Are we saying that pedestrians are a nuisance and shouldn't be allowed on the roads? When pedestrians come to a busy road junction, how are they meant to cross safely? It's bad enough drivers rarely understand the concept of giving way to pedestrians as it is.
Mr ddc"No were saying placing crossings 1 car length from a round about is a terrible ideas as when the crossing is used it causes traffic to stop on the round about | |||
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"If someone is in control of a motor vehicle and can't understand the concept of a Zebra crossing, then they should not be on the road in my opinion "
Agree totally, the opening post assumes that motorists should have priority and are more important than other road users | |||
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"If someone is in control of a motor vehicle and can't understand the concept of a Zebra crossing, then they should not be on the road in my opinion
Agree totally, the opening post assumes that motorists should have priority and are more important than other road users"No it doesn't at all. All its saying is stick the crossing further down the road so there's a buffer space for cars to stop so they aren't stopped on a blood round about | |||
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"Probably. Saw a car bumper sticker that read TOWN PLANNERS DO IT WITH THEIR EYES CLOSED " yea, where do they get these town planners, I mean, after they finish they have just WORSENED the town etc.
Starting to think the planners don't own cars, or don't come from that area (or planet ) | |||
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"I don't quite understand this thread. Are we saying that pedestrians are a nuisance and shouldn't be allowed on the roads? When pedestrians come to a busy road junction, how are they meant to cross safely? It's bad enough drivers rarely understand the concept of giving way to pedestrians as it is.
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No were saying placing crossings 1 car length from a round about is a terrible ideas as when the crossing is used it causes traffic to stop on the round about"It's most likely there because many people cross the road there so they have done it to make the road safer for pedestrians. Good idea in my book, as a car driver i look ahead for potential hazards so would spot this and drive accordingly | |||
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"I don't quite understand this thread. Are we saying that pedestrians are a nuisance and shouldn't be allowed on the roads? When pedestrians come to a busy road junction, how are they meant to cross safely? It's bad enough drivers rarely understand the concept of giving way to pedestrians as it is.
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No were saying placing crossings 1 car length from a round about is a terrible ideas as when the crossing is used it causes traffic to stop on the round about
It's most likely there because many people cross the road there so they have done it to make the road safer for pedestrians. Good idea in my book, as a car driver i look ahead for potential hazards so would spot this and drive accordingly "So you're saying pedestrians are too stupid to walk an extra 10 or 20m to a crossing and instead would ignore it and lemming their way across a round about? Who cares what you do with your eyes you're still stopped on a round about and the round about is still now congested and not flowing traffic. | |||
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"I don't quite understand this thread. Are we saying that pedestrians are a nuisance and shouldn't be allowed on the roads? When pedestrians come to a busy road junction, how are they meant to cross safely? It's bad enough drivers rarely understand the concept of giving way to pedestrians as it is.
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No were saying placing crossings 1 car length from a round about is a terrible ideas as when the crossing is used it causes traffic to stop on the round about
It's most likely there because many people cross the road there so they have done it to make the road safer for pedestrians. Good idea in my book, as a car driver i look ahead for potential hazards so would spot this and drive accordingly
So you're saying pedestrians are too stupid to walk an extra 10 or 20m to a crossing and instead would ignore it and lemming their way across a round about?
Who cares what you do with your eyes you're still stopped on a round about and the round about is still now congested and not flowing traffic."No, it's not stupidity, it's called "desire paths". The route a pedestrian will naturally take. Planners could place the crossing 50 yards or so down the road, where it will still hold up traffic to the same extent, but some pedestrians will then try to cross where there is no crossing. Others will decide the detour is a pain and decide to drive instead. It's simply a case of the planners deciding whether to prioritise car, foot, public or cycle traffic. | |||
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"I don't quite understand this thread. Are we saying that pedestrians are a nuisance and shouldn't be allowed on the roads? When pedestrians come to a busy road junction, how are they meant to cross safely? It's bad enough drivers rarely understand the concept of giving way to pedestrians as it is.
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No were saying placing crossings 1 car length from a round about is a terrible ideas as when the crossing is used it causes traffic to stop on the round about
It's most likely there because many people cross the road there so they have done it to make the road safer for pedestrians. Good idea in my book, as a car driver i look ahead for potential hazards so would spot this and drive accordingly
So you're saying pedestrians are too stupid to walk an extra 10 or 20m to a crossing and instead would ignore it and lemming their way across a round about?
Who cares what you do with your eyes you're still stopped on a round about and the round about is still now congested and not flowing traffic.
No, it's not stupidity, it's called "desire paths". The route a pedestrian will naturally take.
Planners could place the crossing 50 yards or so down the road, where it will still hold up traffic to the same extent, but some pedestrians will then try to cross where there is no crossing. Others will decide the detour is a pain and decide to drive instead.
It's simply a case of the planners deciding whether to prioritise car, foot, public or cycle traffic.
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"If someone is in control of a motor vehicle and can't understand the concept of a Zebra crossing, then they should not be on the road in my opinion
Wows maybe you should have a visual view of the blind spots they are placed.10 yards further along and it would be a safer option. Xxx "As a pedestrian, cyclist, motorbike rider and even a white van man, I can understand the rules of the road no matter how idiotic they may seem to some people. If we all follow these rules, then hopefully we will all be safer and there will be no fatalities | |||
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"Not to be pedantic but town planners don't do the placing of crossings...." But traffic/transport planners do, often in conjunction with policy set by the wider planning/highways departments (I did traffic management as an option at uni, back in the days when the car was king and we should do everything to speed traffic flow and get rid of those pesky pedestrians. Increasingly we are moving away from that model now) | |||
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" As a pedestrian, cyclist, motorbike rider and even a white van man, I can understand the rules of the road no matter how idiotic they may seem to some people. If we all follow these rules, then hopefully we will all be safer and there will be no fatalities " | |||
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" As a pedestrian, cyclist, motorbike rider and even a white van man, I can understand the rules of the road no matter how idiotic they may seem to some people. If we all follow these rules, then hopefully we will all be safer and there will be no fatalities
"Do I sense a buddy buddy up on me here lol you guys and your little ways, I know what your up to lmao. Will watch for further jesting from you both...... don't like me do you hmmm | |||
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"I don't quite understand this thread. Are we saying that pedestrians are a nuisance and shouldn't be allowed on the roads? When pedestrians come to a busy road junction, how are they meant to cross safely? It's bad enough drivers rarely understand the concept of giving way to pedestrians as it is.
Mr ddc
No were saying placing crossings 1 car length from a round about is a terrible ideas as when the crossing is used it causes traffic to stop on the round about
It's most likely there because many people cross the road there so they have done it to make the road safer for pedestrians. Good idea in my book, as a car driver i look ahead for potential hazards so would spot this and drive accordingly
So you're saying pedestrians are too stupid to walk an extra 10 or 20m to a crossing and instead would ignore it and lemming their way across a round about?
Who cares what you do with your eyes you're still stopped on a round about and the round about is still now congested and not flowing traffic."It works well here. Yes many pedestrians dudnt bother to walk to use the crossing so it was moved nearer to the roundabout and most use it now. Works well | |||
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"its all done for one reason and that's to course congestion then they can charge you congestion charge the same as in London ." Ha, Spot on Mr....
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"Put Zebra crossings right next to busy roundabouts, yes i am moaning. I see this as a danger anyone else agree? or is this the norm having multiple near misses at such places in the UK. Who are these shady people who plan congestion and accident spots on purpose....any bad traffic planning in your town?" We have one like that near us. Even better when an "adult" crosses on there bike from nowhere. I assume I don't have to stop if they're doing this as it's against the law right? ? | |||
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"Put Zebra crossings right next to busy roundabouts, yes i am moaning. I see this as a danger anyone else agree? or is this the norm having multiple near misses at such places in the UK. Who are these shady people who plan congestion and accident spots on purpose....any bad traffic planning in your town? We have one like that near us. Even better when an "adult" crosses on there bike from nowhere. I assume I don't have to stop if they're doing this as it's against the law right? ?" That's bad news and have had this happen many a time.Guess we have to stop or face the crazy wrath of the no common sense brigade | |||
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"Put Zebra crossings right next to busy roundabouts, yes i am moaning. I see this as a danger anyone else agree? or is this the norm having multiple near misses at such places in the UK. Who are these shady people who plan congestion and accident spots on purpose....any bad traffic planning in your town? We have one like that near us. Even better when an "adult" crosses on there bike from nowhere. I assume I don't have to stop if they're doing this as it's against the law right? ? That's bad news and have had this happen many a time.Guess we have to stop or face the crazy wrath of the no common sense brigade "They put signs up along with a flashing light then they put zigzag on the approach they they put massive lines in the middle of the road How much more notice do you need | |||
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"Put Zebra crossings right next to busy roundabouts, yes i am moaning. I see this as a danger anyone else agree? or is this the norm having multiple near misses at such places in the UK. Who are these shady people who plan congestion and accident spots on purpose....any bad traffic planning in your town? We have one like that near us. Even better when an "adult" crosses on there bike from nowhere. I assume I don't have to stop if they're doing this as it's against the law right? ? That's bad news and have had this happen many a time.Guess we have to stop or face the crazy wrath of the no common sense brigade
They put signs up along with a flashing light then they put zigzag on the approach they they put massive lines in the middle of the road
How much more notice do you need "Such a angry response by some to a real issue people face, wows guess we should just accept all without question. | |||
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"Put Zebra crossings right next to busy roundabouts, yes i am moaning. I see this as a danger anyone else agree? or is this the norm having multiple near misses at such places in the UK. Who are these shady people who plan congestion and accident spots on purpose....any bad traffic planning in your town? We have one like that near us. Even better when an "adult" crosses on there bike from nowhere. I assume I don't have to stop if they're doing this as it's against the law right? ? That's bad news and have had this happen many a time.Guess we have to stop or face the crazy wrath of the no common sense brigade
They put signs up along with a flashing light then they put zigzag on the approach they they put massive lines in the middle of the road
How much more notice do you need
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"Put Zebra crossings right next to busy roundabouts, yes i am moaning. I see this as a danger anyone else agree? or is this the norm having multiple near misses at such places in the UK. Who are these shady people who plan congestion and accident spots on purpose....any bad traffic planning in your town? We have one like that near us. Even better when an "adult" crosses on there bike from nowhere. I assume I don't have to stop if they're doing this as it's against the law right? ? That's bad news and have had this happen many a time.Guess we have to stop or face the crazy wrath of the no common sense brigade
They put signs up along with a flashing light then they put zigzag on the approach they they put massive lines in the middle of the road
How much more notice do you need
Such a angry response by some to a real issue people face, wows guess we should just accept all without question.
That is the British way "No that is a conformist way, drone mentality which leads to serfdom. | |||
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"Put Zebra crossings right next to busy roundabouts, yes i am moaning. I see this as a danger anyone else agree? or is this the norm having multiple near misses at such places in the UK. Who are these shady people who plan congestion and accident spots on purpose....any bad traffic planning in your town? The onus is just as much on the pedestrian. To make sure the road is clear and it's safe to cross as it is the car driver to stop when they see someone waiting . Pedestrians are supposed to wait till the cars have stopped before they cross . It's not that difficult to work out , exactly what's the issue " The issue is a roundabout is a peptural motion system, placing crossings so close and on blind bends just shows contempt for pedestrians and drivers as it stops a good system and creates a insurance black hole via unsuspecting drivers having to break hard if not used to the area. My issue is not with pedestrians/ cyclists as it's deemed,I do have a bike and cross roads myself. Would just like to see crossings placed a bit further away from exits..and they are updated with a lick of paint now and then and working lights. I see multiple road safety issues as do many others which defy common sense, drivers are not the enemy we pay alot for the system and should be allowed to voice a opinion. | |||
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