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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

The press constantly tell me how the big corporations employ tax wheezes to avoid paying millions (billions) in tax. I think last year most of us on PAYE paid more tax than Costa Coffee

Then I go up the pub and listen to my self employed mates discussing how they book everything from a bog roll to a holiday in the Bahamas as legitimate business expenses, therefore pay about 3p tax per year

Are people on PAYE the only mugs paying there fair dues in this country?

Rant over

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The press constantly tell me how the big corporations employ tax wheezes to avoid paying millions (billions) in tax. I think last year most of us on PAYE paid more tax than Costa Coffee

Then I go up the pub and listen to my self employed mates discussing how they book everything from a bog roll to a holiday in the Bahamas as legitimate business expenses, therefore pay about 3p tax per year

Are people on PAYE the only mugs paying there fair dues in this country?

Rant over"

So self employed people get a few perks, the take all the risk financially so why shouldn't people like me get them.

You chose a regular job , with regular pay that's your choice

Going self employed is not easy m running your own business is not easy .

Btw I bought a new car instead of paying tax.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My self employed friend lives in a million pound house and happily brags about the free dental care he receives as a low earner. Everything he buys he puts through the business so on paper he's not paid that much.

Or so he says. Problem does not lie with people like that it lies with regulation and while these loopholes exist corporations and people like him will do it.

I blame Syrians

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The press constantly tell me how the big corporations employ tax wheezes to avoid paying millions (billions) in tax. I think last year most of us on PAYE paid more tax than Costa Coffee

Then I go up the pub and listen to my self employed mates discussing how they book everything from a bog roll to a holiday in the Bahamas as legitimate business expenses, therefore pay about 3p tax per year

Are people on PAYE the only mugs paying there fair dues in this country?

Rant over

So self employed people get a few perks, the take all the risk financially so why shouldn't people like me get them.

You chose a regular job , with regular pay that's your choice

Going self employed is not easy m running your own business is not easy .

Btw I bought a new car instead of paying tax.

"

Those "perks" are allowing you access to roads, hospitals, libraries etc...that you haven't paid for. Your not paying what you should, nobody forced you to take a risk with your own business, but your happy to take in all the profits.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The press constantly tell me how the big corporations employ tax wheezes to avoid paying millions (billions) in tax. I think last year most of us on PAYE paid more tax than Costa Coffee

Then I go up the pub and listen to my self employed mates discussing how they book everything from a bog roll to a holiday in the Bahamas as legitimate business expenses, therefore pay about 3p tax per year

Are people on PAYE the only mugs paying there fair dues in this country?

Rant over

So self employed people get a few perks, the take all the risk financially so why shouldn't people like me get them.

You chose a regular job , with regular pay that's your choice

Going self employed is not easy m running your own business is not easy .

Btw I bought a new car instead of paying tax.

"

Is it really a risk? With a LTD company the owner simply folds the firm, leaves a load of unpaid bills and a load of shafted customers and starts another LTD business in his wife's name. Where. Exactly is the risk?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The press constantly tell me how the big corporations employ tax wheezes to avoid paying millions (billions) in tax. I think last year most of us on PAYE paid more tax than Costa Coffee

Then I go up the pub and listen to my self employed mates discussing how they book everything from a bog roll to a holiday in the Bahamas as legitimate business expenses, therefore pay about 3p tax per year

Are people on PAYE the only mugs paying there fair dues in this country?

Rant over

So self employed people get a few perks, the take all the risk financially so why shouldn't people like me get them.

You chose a regular job , with regular pay that's your choice

Going self employed is not easy m running your own business is not easy .

Btw I bought a new car instead of paying tax.

Those "perks" are allowing you access to roads, hospitals, libraries etc...that you haven't paid for. Your not paying what you should, nobody forced you to take a risk with your own business, but your happy to take in all the profits."

Oi I'm self employed and no way near rich ..I'm honest and been told too honest with what I tell the tax office .I pay my taxes and have always done so kindly don't label all of us the same .

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The press constantly tell me how the big corporations employ tax wheezes to avoid paying millions (billions) in tax. I think last year most of us on PAYE paid more tax than Costa Coffee

Then I go up the pub and listen to my self employed mates discussing how they book everything from a bog roll to a holiday in the Bahamas as legitimate business expenses, therefore pay about 3p tax per year

Are people on PAYE the only mugs paying there fair dues in this country?

Rant over

So self employed people get a few perks, the take all the risk financially so why shouldn't people like me get them.

You chose a regular job , with regular pay that's your choice

Going self employed is not easy m running your own business is not easy .

Btw I bought a new car instead of paying tax.

Those "perks" are allowing you access to roads, hospitals, libraries etc...that you haven't paid for. Your not paying what you should, nobody forced you to take a risk with your own business, but your happy to take in all the profits.

Oi I'm self employed and no way near rich ..I'm honest and been told too honest with what I tell the tax office .I pay my taxes and have always done so kindly don't label all of us the same .

"

Fair comment. Maybe the guys in the pub are in a minority but something tells me they are not

But fair play to you for doing what's right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The press constantly tell me how the big corporations employ tax wheezes to avoid paying millions (billions) in tax. I think last year most of us on PAYE paid more tax than Costa Coffee

Then I go up the pub and listen to my self employed mates discussing how they book everything from a bog roll to a holiday in the Bahamas as legitimate business expenses, therefore pay about 3p tax per year

Are people on PAYE the only mugs paying there fair dues in this country?

Rant over"

From next year the advantages of the dividend route will almost disappear and owner directors will probably be under payrolll paye...the advantage will effectively be over

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Those "perks" are allowing you access to roads, hospitals, libraries etc...that you haven't paid for. Your not paying what you should, nobody forced you to take a risk with your own business, but your happy to take in all the profits."

I spent 3 years running an extra job, to subsidise my business whilst I was building it . I probably spent a few more, living like a tramp, whilst I was building it up.

I have paid people who work me wages even though I knew on that time, I would not be able to pay my phone bill .

You ask any self employed person the same , and they will all have the same story if they started from scratch with nothing rather than buy into a business with redundancy .

I have worked hard at what I do , I made my business myself from nothing . My success is my own doing . I have not back boned on someone else's success or even their investment .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have quite a few friends who are self employed and, quite rightly and legally, they claim anything they possibly can as tax deductible. A few also admit that not all cash in hand transactions are declared through their accounts but, of course, I have no idea of this is true or not.

Whereas us PAYE pay in full.. and if we owe anything they're always down on us like a ton of bricks!

Thing is, life isn't fair, Fab isn't fair, the tax system isn't fair etc etc .. we just all have to suck it up and move on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The press constantly tell me how the big corporations employ tax wheezes to avoid paying millions (billions) in tax. I think last year most of us on PAYE paid more tax than Costa Coffee

Then I go up the pub and listen to my self employed mates discussing how they book everything from a bog roll to a holiday in the Bahamas as legitimate business expenses, therefore pay about 3p tax per year

Are people on PAYE the only mugs paying there fair dues in this country?

Rant over

So self employed people get a few perks, the take all the risk financially so why shouldn't people like me get them.

You chose a regular job , with regular pay that's your choice

Going self employed is not easy m running your own business is not easy .

Btw I bought a new car instead of paying tax.

Is it really a risk? With a LTD company the owner simply folds the firm, leaves a load of unpaid bills and a load of shafted customers and starts another LTD business in his wife's name. Where. Exactly is the risk?"

I am a Sole Trader, so therefore if my business goes bust, I am responsible for all the outstanding debts. That is a lot of risk for me. I also pay Tax and NI on all my earnings, just the same as someone on PAYE. Although I can write off certain things, just like them, I can't legitally write off a holiday to Barbados

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The press constantly tell me how the big corporations employ tax wheezes to avoid paying millions (billions) in tax. I think last year most of us on PAYE paid more tax than Costa Coffee

Then I go up the pub and listen to my self employed mates discussing how they book everything from a bog roll to a holiday in the Bahamas as legitimate business expenses, therefore pay about 3p tax per year

Are people on PAYE the only mugs paying there fair dues in this country?

Rant over

So self employed people get a few perks, the take all the risk financially so why shouldn't people like me get them.

You chose a regular job , with regular pay that's your choice

Going self employed is not easy m running your own business is not easy .

Btw I bought a new car instead of paying tax.

Those "perks" are allowing you access to roads, hospitals, libraries etc...that you haven't paid for. Your not paying what you should, nobody forced you to take a risk with your own business, but your happy to take in all the profits.

Oi I'm self employed and no way near rich ..I'm honest and been told too honest with what I tell the tax office .I pay my taxes and have always done so kindly don't label all of us the same .

Fair comment. Maybe the guys in the pub are in a minority but something tells me they are not

But fair play to you for doing what's right"

Thank you

My old boss was fiddling tax etc.. We never saw a wage slip never got correct pay/holiday pay part of reason I went self employed .did hear through grapevine she's having a audit from tax office

If anyone is interested I've paid my ni up to date for the tax year and paid my tax bill on time wasn't much as only me in company and between work and some play I help my mum care for my disabled dad.before anyone starts mum gets carer allowance which is crap and I do it free .

Seeing both parents have always paid tax/ni carers allowance is shit esp when take into fact 24 hour job no sick or holiday pay

That's my rant thanks

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

Those "perks" are allowing you access to roads, hospitals, libraries etc...that you haven't paid for. Your not paying what you should, nobody forced you to take a risk with your own business, but your happy to take in all the profits.

I spent 3 years running an extra job, to subsidise my business whilst I was building it . I probably spent a few more, living like a tramp, whilst I was building it up.

I have paid people who work me wages even though I knew on that time, I would not be able to pay my phone bill .

You ask any self employed person the same , and they will all have the same story if they started from scratch with nothing rather than buy into a business with redundancy .

I have worked hard at what I do , I made my business myself from nothing . My success is my own doing . I have not back boned on someone else's success or even their investment .

"

I respect your hard work but this is about people not paying taxes. Its morally wrong. Refusing to support the society we are part of and benefit from

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The press constantly tell me how the big corporations employ tax wheezes to avoid paying millions (billions) in tax. I think last year most of us on PAYE paid more tax than Costa Coffee

Then I go up the pub and listen to my self employed mates discussing how they book everything from a bog roll to a holiday in the Bahamas as legitimate business expenses, therefore pay about 3p tax per year

Are people on PAYE the only mugs paying there fair dues in this country?

Rant over

So self employed people get a few perks, the take all the risk financially so why shouldn't people like me get them.

You chose a regular job , with regular pay that's your choice

Going self employed is not easy m running your own business is not easy .

Btw I bought a new car instead of paying tax.

Is it really a risk? With a LTD company the owner simply folds the firm, leaves a load of unpaid bills and a load of shafted customers and starts another LTD business in his wife's name. Where. Exactly is the risk?"

This..

THIS..

This is so true. There is so much LTD company dubious activity that has gone on for decades. Apart from dodging your liabilities we have the big perk of paying your income in the form of dividends so ensuring that you pay far less tax overall.

Mr Osbourne has put a stop to that in the last budget where he increased the tax on dividends. His target was the LTD company directors who paid themselves via divis but unfortunately he is also going to hit ordinary shareholders.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well done on you mate, bloody government pay pittance to those that care for family ,

Yet will pay 500 or 600 to a care firm or such

Some things in life are unfair , and carers allowance rates is shameful to the government , and the government should hang their heads in shame

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"The press constantly tell me how the big corporations employ tax wheezes to avoid paying millions (billions) in tax. I think last year most of us on PAYE paid more tax than Costa Coffee

Then I go up the pub and listen to my self employed mates discussing how they book everything from a bog roll to a holiday in the Bahamas as legitimate business expenses, therefore pay about 3p tax per year

Are people on PAYE the only mugs paying there fair dues in this country?

Rant over"

There is only so much you can legitimately book as expenses and unless your business is I travel and hospitality I am not sure that that holiday to the Bahamas would slip through unnoticed.

The self employed have always had perks, it goes with the territory. Having a "job" can have perks, depending on the job.

As a self employed person, I take advantage of every tax loophole that my Accountant identifies. As a Company Director I have a responsibility to the shareholders to ensure that the Company operate in the most tax efficient manner possible.

The Company pays CT and i pay tax on my earnings. No one can earn big money these days and not pay tax. The last budget squeezed small businesses even more meaning that from April next year small businesses will be paying even more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Being self employed myself, I would suggest your mates are having a laugh at your expense!

While I can claim for many things, they are only a percentage. Whilst my job can be dirty and very often clothes ripped etc, I can only claim for safety boots or related. I have heard stories of claims for washing clothes etc, but think they are just that, stories! As for holidays to Barbados? I have a job to afford a week away and if i do, I am not earning! If i am ill, I am not earning. I work 6 days a week and can certainly not afford any luxuries, let alone try to claim on them! If i tried I'm sure my accountant would have something to say on the matter! An accountant who I have to pay for.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"I have quite a few friends who are self employed and, quite rightly and legally, they claim anything they possibly can as tax deductible. A few also admit that not all cash in hand transactions are declared through their accounts but, of course, I have no idea of this is true or not.

Whereas us PAYE pay in full.. and if we owe anything they're always down on us like a ton of bricks!

Thing is, life isn't fair, Fab isn't fair, the tax system isn't fair etc etc .. we just all have to suck it up and move on "

Exactly. You make your own decisions in life to do what is best for you and for your family.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a sole trader too, but I very rarely earn enough to pay much tax by the time I've taken non taxable materials off. I don't get any tax credits or benefits that I'm entitled to. Nor would I want to

To me being self employed means being self sufficient.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well done on you mate, bloody government pay pittance to those that care for family ,

Yet will pay 500 or 600 to a care firm or such

Some things in life are unfair , and carers allowance rates is shameful to the government , and the government should hang their heads in shame "

Totally agree .saw it first hand as worked as a carer then was /am caring at home .trust me the companies charge big money and carers don't see it .I quit and started my own cleaning business ..its just me and I declare everything ,pay taxes .use to work 6 days a week 7am to 10 pm with little breaks for crap money .now work Mon to Fri 9am to 5pm and earn a lot more .not so much as some but I'm lucky to have lovely customers who when I need time off for dad don't mind.

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By *eorgeyporgeyMan
over a year ago

Warrington

You know that, if you know any Self Employed people who are cheating, you can always report them to HMRC for an audit, right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You know that, if you know any Self Employed people who are cheating, you can always report them to HMRC for an audit, right?"

Yes and as I've said as a self employed person I'm not cheating and get fed up with people assuming I am.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm self employed I pay tax and national insurance

Also public liability

Run a second vehicle

pay into a pension

have to find my own work spend my evenings doing quotes plans and designs

No holiday or sick pay it's a hoot give it ago lol

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By *aveandkate35Couple
over a year ago

telford

They are not getting away with anything. They are just cocks.

They won't be laughing so hard when they get glandular fever or a car accident and can't go to work. They have 6 months without any income.

While the full timer just sits at home wat hing Jeremy Kyle.

His main client goes bust - tough.... Permie gets a redundancy package.

He goes to Barbados for a holiday - he's now lost 2 weeks of earnings, add that to the cost it's a lot!! Where's permie gets his 28days paid a year - how nice to sit on a beach being paid to be there!!!

Sickness cover, pensions, bonuses...

I could go on - yes being self employed has advantages, and yes when the going is good it can seem to others your living the life of Riley, but it can go bad so quickly. Your family life takes a huge toll - you don't work - you don't get paid.

No one is stopping anyone going self employed or vice versa. It's choice and it does rile me when people moan about it. Do it - if it seems that good. Feel free to think your being paid to much and don't claim any expenses, have some morals. Good for you.

D

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You know that, if you know any Self Employed people who are cheating, you can always report them to HMRC for an audit, right?

Yes and as I've said as a self employed person I'm not cheating and get fed up with people assuming I am."

Everyone assumes that you are cheating , I had to buy a new car , so people think it's a tax dodge , if I worked for someone they would have had to buy me a new company car , that's not a tax dodge

Self employed people earn more because they have to spend more to make the same money as those on paye .

When I say self employed I mean proper self employed not company directors who are employed by the company and take a wage .

If I was on the dole, and said I had a bad back , could not work or walk properly , I would get a new Vauxhall zafira every 3 years

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They are not getting away with anything. They are just cocks.

They won't be laughing so hard when they get glandular fever or a car accident and can't go to work. They have 6 months without any income.

While the full timer just sits at home wat hing Jeremy Kyle.

His main client goes bust - tough.... Permie gets a redundancy package.

He goes to Barbados for a holiday - he's now lost 2 weeks of earnings, add that to the cost it's a lot!! Where's permie gets his 28days paid a year - how nice to sit on a beach being paid to be there!!!

Sickness cover, pensions, bonuses...

I could go on - yes being self employed has advantages, and yes when the going is good it can seem to others your living the life of Riley, but it can go bad so quickly. Your family life takes a huge toll - you don't work - you don't get paid.

No one is stopping anyone going self employed or vice versa. It's choice and it does rile me when people moan about it. Do it - if it seems that good. Feel free to think your being paid to much and don't claim any expenses, have some morals. Good for you.

D

"

It is my choice yo go self employed and for the record I'm guessing like others I've got insurance to cover illness /accidents .Ive paid into a private pension for years and you need to check your facts because of misuse a lot and I mean a lot of companies don't pay sick pay or only after so many days .my sister had to have a hysetacmy and was off work for several months .she works for a large company who like to boast about profits and did not get sick pay had to claim .

I'm tired of having to defend my choice of employment to people .

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"The press constantly tell me how the big corporations employ tax wheezes to avoid paying millions (billions) in tax. I think last year most of us on PAYE paid more tax than Costa Coffee

Then I go up the pub and listen to my self employed mates discussing how they book everything from a bog roll to a holiday in the Bahamas as legitimate business expenses, therefore pay about 3p tax per year

Are people on PAYE the only mugs paying there fair dues in this country?

Rant over"

No. I get funny looks because I insist on invoices and appropriate VAT from trades too. One plumber told me I would cause him a problem as no one else paid VAT and for small jobs they were always cash in hand.

I believe in paying tax and using it well to support our services.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You know that, if you know any Self Employed people who are cheating, you can always report them to HMRC for an audit, right?

Yes and as I've said as a self employed person I'm not cheating and get fed up with people assuming I am.

Everyone assumes that you are cheating , I had to buy a new car , so people think it's a tax dodge , if I worked for someone they would have had to buy me a new company car , that's not a tax dodge

Self employed people earn more because they have to spend more to make the same money as those on paye .

When I say self employed I mean proper self employed not company directors who are employed by the company and take a wage .

If I was on the dole, and said I had a bad back , could not work or walk properly , I would get a new Vauxhall zafira every 3 years "

Totally agree but good luck getting idiots yo understand it

Welcome to the proper self employed club

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The press constantly tell me how the big corporations employ tax wheezes to avoid paying millions (billions) in tax. I think last year most of us on PAYE paid more tax than Costa Coffee

Then I go up the pub and listen to my self employed mates discussing how they book everything from a bog roll to a holiday in the Bahamas as legitimate business expenses, therefore pay about 3p tax per year

Are people on PAYE the only mugs paying there fair dues in this country?

Rant over

So self employed people get a few perks, the take all the risk financially so why shouldn't people like me get them.

You chose a regular job , with regular pay that's your choice

Going self employed is not easy m running your own business is not easy .

Btw I bought a new car instead of paying tax.

Those "perks" are allowing you access to roads, hospitals, libraries etc...that you haven't paid for. Your not paying what you should, nobody forced you to take a risk with your own business, but your happy to take in all the profits.

Oi I'm self employed and no way near rich ..I'm honest and been told too honest with what I tell the tax office .I pay my taxes and have always done so kindly don't label all of us the same .

"

I didn't. I addressed the comment above mine. From someone who thinks he is entitled to not pay taxes as a perk of his perceived risk.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Those on PAYE who don't fill in a tax form every year don't have the hassle of remembering to keep a note of the tiny pittance of interest (at current rates) on any savings.

I get annoyed that I'm paying more tax than a multinational with turnover a zillion times greater than my self employed earnings but that's not a reason to not pay my share.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The press constantly tell me how the big corporations employ tax wheezes to avoid paying millions (billions) in tax. I think last year most of us on PAYE paid more tax than Costa Coffee

Then I go up the pub and listen to my self employed mates discussing how they book everything from a bog roll to a holiday in the Bahamas as legitimate business expenses, therefore pay about 3p tax per year

Are people on PAYE the only mugs paying there fair dues in this country?

Rant over

So self employed people get a few perks, the take all the risk financially so why shouldn't people like me get them.

You chose a regular job , with regular pay that's your choice

Going self employed is not easy m running your own business is not easy .

Btw I bought a new car instead of paying tax.

Is it really a risk? With a LTD company the owner simply folds the firm, leaves a load of unpaid bills and a load of shafted customers and starts another LTD business in his wife's name. Where. Exactly is the risk?"

Whilst I agree there is a lot of this going on, it isn't completely risk free. Through my work I often getting involved with Insolvency Practitioners pursuing misfeasance claims against ex company directors. There is also the possibility of being disqualified.

I don't think much more can be done about it than already is. I would just be very dubious of people in most walks of life who have been involved in numerous failed companies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The press constantly tell me how the big corporations employ tax wheezes to avoid paying millions (billions) in tax. I think last year most of us on PAYE paid more tax than Costa Coffee

Then I go up the pub and listen to my self employed mates discussing how they book everything from a bog roll to a holiday in the Bahamas as legitimate business expenses, therefore pay about 3p tax per year

Are people on PAYE the only mugs paying there fair dues in this country?

Rant over

From next year the advantages of the dividend route will almost disappear and owner directors will probably be under payrolll paye...the advantage will effectively be over "

Do you have anymore information on this?

It was my understanding that where people use a service company as long as they meet the HMRC criteria for being a contractor rather than a straight employee, the taxman will not get involved.

It's not just big earners who use them. They pretty much benefit anyone whose in the higher tax band.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The press constantly tell me how the big corporations employ tax wheezes to avoid paying millions (billions) in tax. I think last year most of us on PAYE paid more tax than Costa Coffee

Then I go up the pub and listen to my self employed mates discussing how they book everything from a bog roll to a holiday in the Bahamas as legitimate business expenses, therefore pay about 3p tax per year

Are people on PAYE the only mugs paying there fair dues in this country?

Rant over

So self employed people get a few perks, the take all the risk financially so why shouldn't people like me get them.

You chose a regular job , with regular pay that's your choice

Going self employed is not easy m running your own business is not easy .

Btw I bought a new car instead of paying tax.

Those "perks" are allowing you access to roads, hospitals, libraries etc...that you haven't paid for. Your not paying what you should, nobody forced you to take a risk with your own business, but your happy to take in all the profits.

Oi I'm self employed and no way near rich ..I'm honest and been told too honest with what I tell the tax office .I pay my taxes and have always done so kindly don't label all of us the same .

I didn't. I addressed the comment above mine. From someone who thinks he is entitled to not pay taxes as a perk of his perceived risk.

"

Very sorry ...just get fed up with people assuming I'm on the fiddle as self employed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I pay taxes here through PAYE and I pay taxes in the US (US citizens still have to file tax returns if living abroad).

I like taxes. They are responsible for great things that society does (as well as bad things, yes). I wish more people liked taxes. They certainly like a majority of what is provided to them via taxes.

-Courtney

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The press constantly tell me how the big corporations employ tax wheezes to avoid paying millions (billions) in tax. I think last year most of us on PAYE paid more tax than Costa Coffee

Then I go up the pub and listen to my self employed mates discussing how they book everything from a bog roll to a holiday in the Bahamas as legitimate business expenses, therefore pay about 3p tax per year

Are people on PAYE the only mugs paying there fair dues in this country?

Rant over

So self employed people get a few perks, the take all the risk financially so why shouldn't people like me get them.

You chose a regular job , with regular pay that's your choice

Going self employed is not easy m running your own business is not easy .

Btw I bought a new car instead of paying tax.

Those "perks" are allowing you access to roads, hospitals, libraries etc...that you haven't paid for. Your not paying what you should, nobody forced you to take a risk with your own business, but your happy to take in all the profits.

Oi I'm self employed and no way near rich ..I'm honest and been told too honest with what I tell the tax office .I pay my taxes and have always done so kindly don't label all of us the same .

I didn't. I addressed the comment above mine. From someone who thinks he is entitled to not pay taxes as a perk of his perceived risk.

Very sorry ...just get fed up with people assuming I'm on the fiddle as self employed. "

I know for a fact my next door neighbour is. But I honestly think she hasn't got the brain power to deal with a business legitamely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I know for a fact my next door neighbour is. But I honestly think she hasn't got the brain power to deal with a business legitamely. "

I can see the logic here ,

Everyone knows women can't handle finances, owing to their inferior intellect , and more importantly can't earn more than men , so she must obviously be fiddling the income tax .

I don't suppose it ever occurred to you , that her job makes her happy and she isn't hung up on what other people have .

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I pay taxes here through PAYE and I pay taxes in the US (US citizens still have to file tax returns if living abroad).

I like taxes. They are responsible for great things that society does (as well as bad things, yes). I wish more people liked taxes. They certainly like a majority of what is provided to them via taxes.

-Courtney"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I know for a fact my next door neighbour is. But I honestly think she hasn't got the brain power to deal with a business legitamely.

I can see the logic here ,

Everyone knows women can't handle finances, owing to their inferior intellect , and more importantly can't earn more than men , so she must obviously be fiddling the income tax .

I don't suppose it ever occurred to you , that her job makes her happy and she isn't hung up on what other people have .

"

No. It's because the daft mare told me. Assuming that I'd be happy for her. She also boasted about what benefits she recieves as she is classed as a low income earned and a single parent, despite the fact that her son lives with his dad now and she spends most of her time living with her boyfriend at his house.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I know for a fact my next door neighbour is. But I honestly think she hasn't got the brain power to deal with a business legitamely.

I can see the logic here ,

Everyone knows women can't handle finances, owing to their inferior intellect , and more importantly can't earn more than men , so she must obviously be fiddling the income tax .

I don't suppose it ever occurred to you , that her job makes her happy and she isn't hung up on what other people have .

No. It's because the daft mare told me. Assuming that I'd be happy for her. She also boasted about what benefits she recieves as she is classed as a low income earned and a single parent, despite the fact that her son lives with his dad now and she spends most of her time living with her boyfriend at his house."

Then report her

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I know for a fact my next door neighbour is. But I honestly think she hasn't got the brain power to deal with a business legitamely.

I can see the logic here ,

Everyone knows women can't handle finances, owing to their inferior intellect , and more importantly can't earn more than men , so she must obviously be fiddling the income tax .

I don't suppose it ever occurred to you , that her job makes her happy and she isn't hung up on what other people have .

No. It's because the daft mare told me. Assuming that I'd be happy for her. She also boasted about what benefits she recieves as she is classed as a low income earned and a single parent, despite the fact that her son lives with his dad now and she spends most of her time living with her boyfriend at his house.

Then report her"

I have a better idea, concentrate on your own life and leave others to theirs , if she annoys you by saying she is doing stuff don't talk to her .

Remember a neighbour that is never home is better than a neighbour that has wild parties

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By *olfcartweaselCouple
over a year ago

Melrose


"I think last year most of us on PAYE paid more tax than Costa Coffee"

You're thinking of Starbucks, who famously make a loss on paper by buying the right to use the "Starbucks" brand from an offshore holding company, therefore never showing any pre-tax profits in the UK (and therefore not owing any corporation tax).

Costa Limited paid £30M in corporation taxes in their 2014 filings (and have always paid a "normal" level of corporation tax according to their previous records, which I can no longer access for free). Their owners, Whitbread Group PLC (also owners of Premier Inn), are happy little taxpayers, and pay about a hundred million per year into the public purse (in addition to the taxes their subsidiaries like Costa pay).

If this topic bothers you, Costa are absolutely the good guys, a proper British company paying their fair share without complaint.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"Those on PAYE who don't fill in a tax form every year don't have the hassle of remembering to keep a note of the tiny pittance of interest (at current rates) on any savings.

I get annoyed that I'm paying more tax than a multinational with turnover a zillion times greater than my self employed earnings but that's not a reason to not pay my share.

"

Pay for a better accountant ???

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I think last year most of us on PAYE paid more tax than Costa Coffee

You're thinking of Starbucks, who famously make a loss on paper by buying the right to use the "Starbucks" brand from an offshore holding company, therefore never showing any pre-tax profits in the UK (and therefore not owing any corporation tax).

Costa Limited paid £30M in corporation taxes in their 2014 filings (and have always paid a "normal" level of corporation tax according to their previous records, which I can no longer access for free). Their owners, Whitbread Group PLC (also owners of Premier Inn), are happy little taxpayers, and pay about a hundred million per year into the public purse (in addition to the taxes their subsidiaries like Costa pay).

If this topic bothers you, Costa are absolutely the good guys, a proper British company paying their fair share without complaint."

Fair play, it was Starbucks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Those on PAYE who don't fill in a tax form every year don't have the hassle of remembering to keep a note of the tiny pittance of interest (at current rates) on any savings.

I get annoyed that I'm paying more tax than a multinational with turnover a zillion times greater than my self employed earnings but that's not a reason to not pay my share.

Pay for a better accountant ??? "

Then get a brand new Mercedes and use it for work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I know for a fact my next door neighbour is. But I honestly think she hasn't got the brain power to deal with a business legitamely.

I can see the logic here ,

Everyone knows women can't handle finances, owing to their inferior intellect , and more importantly can't earn more than men , so she must obviously be fiddling the income tax .

I don't suppose it ever occurred to you , that her job makes her happy and she isn't hung up on what other people have .

No. It's because the daft mare told me. Assuming that I'd be happy for her. She also boasted about what benefits she recieves as she is classed as a low income earned and a single parent, despite the fact that her son lives with his dad now and she spends most of her time living with her boyfriend at his house.

Then report her

I have a better idea, concentrate on your own life and leave others to theirs , if she annoys you by saying she is doing stuff don't talk to her .

Remember a neighbour that is never home is better than a neighbour that has wild parties "

The only time she spends at her house is Friday and Saturday. And her regular parties go on till gone 3am. Luckily we are no attached, though I pity her pensioner neighbours on the other side that are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I know for a fact my next door neighbour is. But I honestly think she hasn't got the brain power to deal with a business legitamely.

I can see the logic here ,

Everyone knows women can't handle finances, owing to their inferior intellect , and more importantly can't earn more than men , so she must obviously be fiddling the income tax .

I don't suppose it ever occurred to you , that her job makes her happy and she isn't hung up on what other people have .

No. It's because the daft mare told me. Assuming that I'd be happy for her. She also boasted about what benefits she recieves as she is classed as a low income earned and a single parent, despite the fact that her son lives with his dad now and she spends most of her time living with her boyfriend at his house.

Then report her

I have a better idea, concentrate on your own life and leave others to theirs , if she annoys you by saying she is doing stuff don't talk to her .

Remember a neighbour that is never home is better than a neighbour that has wild parties "

We don't snub our neighbours when they talk to us. We have manners.

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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago

harrow

I see two sides of the coin

I pay tax via paye

I happen to work in a tax team for a large us multinational, and it's my job to try and get the best legal outcome for our shareholders in terms of paying less expenses eg tax

The problem is the tax legislation can be manipulated by tax lawyers / accountants

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If it's legal, people will do it. Rightly or wrongly, there's plenty of people looking for things to do to save or make money. And the ones who brag about it, well if they need to brag, that says it all. I've been self employed and it's very low risk in my experience, and I paid more taxes then than I do now.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"I see two sides of the coin

I pay tax via paye

I happen to work in a tax team for a large us multinational, and it's my job to try and get the best legal outcome for our shareholders in terms of paying less expenses eg tax

The problem is the tax legislation can be manipulated by tax lawyers / accountants "

it is not so much the taxes that are manipulated but more the allowable real expenses of the company... and the tax is then calculated on the remaining "profit"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If it's legal, people will do it. "

Exactly. Some people consider there to be a moral obligation to pay the 'right' amount of tax. But as society we are forever looking for ways to save ourselves a few quid, almost always at the expense of somebody.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I'm just watching the news and there is a story about a little boy who cant have the drugs he needs because the NHS cant afford them

I will sleep well tonight knowing I pay share

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

Flagrante


"I'm just watching the news and there is a story about a little boy who cant have the drugs he needs because the NHS cant afford them

I will sleep well tonight knowing I pay share"

I'm self employed in that I own my own company so I pay Employee NI, Employers NI, Personal tax, Corporation tax and soon to be introduced tax on dividends too. I am also taking the risk of being self employed, have no paid holidays or sickness benefits...I think I'm paying my fair share.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Personally, I don't feel that being an honest working chappie who pays the amount of tax that is required of me makes me a mug (or you)...

I think it makes us the countries heroes.

Cal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I went self employed at 18...chose to pay tax and NI....was exempt because I wasn't earning enough.

Fast forward I now work for a company on PAYE, and some months get taxed £1000.......I'm a fucking hero of the British people

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford


"The press constantly tell me how the big corporations employ tax wheezes to avoid paying millions (billions) in tax. I think last year most of us on PAYE paid more tax than Costa Coffee

Then I go up the pub and listen to my self employed mates discussing how they book everything from a bog roll to a holiday in the Bahamas as legitimate business expenses, therefore pay about 3p tax per year

Are people on PAYE the only mugs paying there fair dues in this country? I thought that Costa Coffee are owned by Whitbreads who are a UK registered PLC. In which case they are subject to Corporation Tax as are all other companies

Rant over"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would say turn off your Facebook account until they pay up

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

I am self employed,just had 3 months off due to accident,got no pay,If I go on holiday no pay.If times are bad no pay.

You PAYE guys should stop winging and realise we probably work twice as hard as you.

I often have to work 7 days a week do you?

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

Self employed here too

If you want the alleged perks of self employment go do it.

And even if people say they put everything through the books it doesn't all count as an allowable expense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm just watching the news and there is a story about a little boy who cant have the drugs he needs because the NHS cant afford them

I will sleep well tonight knowing I pay share"

Being on PAYE doesn't make you a hero. Being self employed doesn't make you a villain. You can't start linking the actions of self employed people to the apparent failings of the NHS. There are far more significant contributing factors which limit NHS resources.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I agree fully

This was never a thread about PAYE v self employed. It was about tax avoidance. Legal or otherwise

Its an issue of morality, as one of the previous posters out so eloquently.

We all want our children to receive the best education, the best medical care, and to grow up in a safe and secure society. This all needs to be paid for. We all have a moral duty to pay what we can.

Maybe the next time a Starbucks store catches fire they wont mind putting the fire out themselves. Maybe the next time a tax avoiders child gets run over they wont mind waiting two hours for an ambulance to arrive because its busy attending to the child of someone who has paid for the service.

We all know it wont happen because the honest people in society will continue to fund the dishonest

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The press constantly tell me how the big corporations employ tax wheezes to avoid paying millions (billions) in tax. I think last year most of us on PAYE paid more tax than Costa Coffee

Then I go up the pub and listen to my self employed mates discussing how they book everything from a bog roll to a holiday in the Bahamas as legitimate business expenses, therefore pay about 3p tax per year

Are people on PAYE the only mugs paying there fair dues in this country?

Rant over"

Why do people keep saying Costa Coffee didn't pay much tax? Can you back up this claim with a news story somewhere?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The press constantly tell me how the big corporations employ tax wheezes to avoid paying millions (billions) in tax. I think last year most of us on PAYE paid more tax than Costa Coffee

Then I go up the pub and listen to my self employed mates discussing how they book everything from a bog roll to a holiday in the Bahamas as legitimate business expenses, therefore pay about 3p tax per year

Are people on PAYE the only mugs paying there fair dues in this country?

Rant over

Why do people keep saying Costa Coffee didn't pay much tax? Can you back up this claim with a news story somewhere?"

Its not Costa. I got it wrong. Its Starbucks

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

Flagrante


"I agree fully

This was never a thread about PAYE v self employed. It was about tax avoidance. Legal or otherwise

Its an issue of morality, as one of the previous posters out so eloquently.

"

Probably best to have a chat with your mates down the pub then as all of the self employed that I know pay their taxes hopefully because they are honest but if not it will be because any tax investigation would see them paying the tax back, paying large fines, potentially closing their businesses or in extreme cases jail terms.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The press constantly tell me how the big corporations employ tax wheezes to avoid paying millions (billions) in tax. I think last year most of us on PAYE paid more tax than Costa Coffee

Then I go up the pub and listen to my self employed mates discussing how they book everything from a bog roll to a holiday in the Bahamas as legitimate business expenses, therefore pay about 3p tax per year

Are people on PAYE the only mugs paying there fair dues in this country?

Rant over

Why do people keep saying Costa Coffee didn't pay much tax? Can you back up this claim with a news story somewhere?

Its not Costa. I got it wrong. Its Starbucks"

I know... Just seems that a lit of people make that mistake. Costa are a British company owned by Whitbread and very proud of their impeccable UK tax record.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I agree fully

This was never a thread about PAYE v self employed. It was about tax avoidance. Legal or otherwise

Its an issue of morality, as one of the previous posters out so eloquently.

Probably best to have a chat with your mates down the pub then as all of the self employed that I know pay their taxes hopefully because they are honest but if not it will be because any tax investigation would see them paying the tax back, paying large fines, potentially closing their businesses or in extreme cases jail terms."
.

Not if your a multi national though!

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

while everybody on both sides of the fence are frothing at the mouth, it's seems a good time to lob this little nugget in. it's an eye opener....

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/13/tories-big-business-tax-loopholes

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford


"The press constantly tell me how the big corporations employ tax wheezes to avoid paying millions (billions) in tax. I think last year most of us on PAYE paid more tax than Costa Coffee

Then I go up the pub and listen to my self employed mates discussing how they book everything from a bog roll to a holiday in the Bahamas as legitimate business expenses, therefore pay about 3p tax per year

Are people on PAYE the only mugs paying there fair dues in this country?

Rant over"
. If you are self employed you can only book legitimate businness expenses against tax . If as you say they are paying about three pence tax per annum they are most likely to be flagging themselves up for an investigation by HMRC . The penalties for making mistakes on a tax return can be quite draconion and in the case of fraud you are likely to end up in prison . HMRC can also go back for twenty years in the the case of serious investigations .

Do you know that you friend pays no tax or is that just a guess ?.

You are confusing Costa Coffee with Starbucks ..In any event Starbucks pay over substantial amounts of VAT to HMRC ..

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford


"I agree fully

This was never a thread about PAYE v self employed. It was about tax avoidance. Legal or otherwise

Its an issue of morality, as one of the previous posters out so eloquently.

Probably best to have a chat with your mates down the pub then as all of the self employed that I know pay their taxes hopefully because they are honest but if not it will be because any tax investigation would see them paying the tax back, paying large fines, potentially closing their businesses or in extreme cases jail terms..

Not if your a multi national though!"
. The tax laws apply to everyone and HMRC have recently concluded a long running case against Vodafone .

In addition shareholders in companies , the majority of whom are pension funds , will expect companies to organise their businness in the most tax efficient manner possible

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

I only claim actual business expenses, which are very few and far between.

But the dividend rate is increasing next year so there will be no advantage on that score.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its true that LTD company ducking and diving can make you wealthy as can being self employed but being self employed you have to pay your own NI, do all your own accounts, be answerable to HMRC, if your off sick you dont earn, sort out your own pension etc..

I suppose they key thing is,, if you have a decent job that pays a good rate,say right up to the limit of basic rate taxation (so in 2016/17 you can earn upto £42,700 before slipping into a higher tax band), you get looked after by your employer, they pay into your pension pot etc etc,,then why would you wing it as self employed?

True if you had the potential to earn a lot more then you could duck and dive trading as a LTD co to pay less tax, but that option is disappearing..

If you could only get a job for say less than 20k pa,,well you might fare better on the black economy or self employed again depending on your skillset.

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By *aveandkate35Couple
over a year ago

telford


"I agree fully

This was never a thread about PAYE v self employed. It was about tax avoidance. Legal or otherwise

Its an issue of morality, as one of the previous posters out so eloquently.

We all want our children to receive the best education, the best medical care, and to grow up in a safe and secure society. This all needs to be paid for. We all have a moral duty to pay what we can.

Maybe the next time a Starbucks store catches fire they wont mind putting the fire out themselves. Maybe the next time a tax avoiders child gets run over they wont mind waiting two hours for an ambulance to arrive because its busy attending to the child of someone who has paid for the service.

We all know it wont happen because the honest people in society will continue to fund the dishonest

"

Sorry but I don't agree at all. Avoidance is legal. Evasion is illegal.

Every single employed person is doing some sort of tax avoidance. Do people on 15k a year pay 40% tax?? no - because the system allows then not to pay 40% until they hit a certain threshold. Uniform allowance? Pension schemes etcetc etc.

So all those people should not get the same healthcare as you say if their children get run over???

If there is a loop hole there you can't blame people for going through it - everyone does!!

Moan at the person making the rules, not the person abiding by them, whether it is unpalatable to you or not.

As already said, tax evasion will usually see you going directly to jail.

D

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