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"Would the fact that smoking whilst pregnant is proven to cause the unborn harm compel mothers to stop regardless of income status?" Obviously not. | |||
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"Listening to the radio this morning it seems that so called "deprived" areas have 20% higher rate is mums smoking whilst pregnant. Is this Statistic a symptom of society and the increasing income divide? Would the fact that smoking whilst pregnant is proven to cause the unborn harm compel mothers to stop regardless of income status?" Some people just prefer personal gratification over the health needs of others, more a product of mentality than society.  | |||
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"Would the fact that smoking whilst pregnant is proven to cause the unborn harm compel mothers to stop regardless of income status? " Sadly some people are idiots and don't consider the consequences their actions have on others. | |||
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"Would the fact that smoking whilst pregnant is proven to cause the unborn harm compel mothers to stop regardless of income status? Sadly some people are idiots and don't consider the consequences their actions have on others." This is pretty much it. | |||
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"Listening to the radio this morning it seems that so called "deprived" areas have 20% higher rate is mums smoking whilst pregnant. Is this Statistic a symptom of society and the increasing income divide? Would the fact that smoking whilst pregnant is proven to cause the unborn harm compel mothers to stop regardless of income status?" They're just fucking selfish idiots regardless of social standing | |||
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"Listening to the radio this morning it seems that so called "deprived" areas have 20% higher rate is mums smoking whilst pregnant. Is this Statistic a symptom of society and the increasing income divide? Would the fact that smoking whilst pregnant is proven to cause the unborn harm compel mothers to stop regardless of income status? They're just fucking selfish idiots regardless of social standing" Firm but fair!!! | |||
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"I hate seeing pregnant ladies smoking.  "Me too. It was getting pregnant that made me quit. What more motivation does anyone need? I'd been smoking for over 10 years when i first got pregnant and i gave up the minute i found out i was pregnant. It was a no brainer for me. | |||
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"Listening to the radio this morning it seems that so called "deprived" areas have 20% higher rate is mums smoking whilst pregnant. Is this Statistic a symptom of society and the increasing income divide? Would the fact that smoking whilst pregnant is proven to cause the unborn harm compel mothers to stop regardless of income status? They're just fucking selfish idiots regardless of social standing"  | |||
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"I hate seeing pregnant ladies smoking. "So do I especially the ones that won't lift a light box or say I can't do that it will harm the baby & then go light up a cigarette it's disgusting | |||
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"I hate seeing pregnant ladies smoking.
Me too. It was getting pregnant that made me quit. What more motivation does anyone need? I'd been smoking for over 10 years when i first got pregnant and i gave up the minute i found out i was pregnant. It was a no brainer for me. " | |||
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"I hate seeing pregnant ladies smoking.
Me too. It was getting pregnant that made me quit. What more motivation does anyone need? I'd been smoking for over 10 years when i first got pregnant and i gave up the minute i found out i was pregnant. It was a no brainer for me. " | |||
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"How about taking drugs while pregnant, drinking, prescribed meds, some foods, unprotected sex with strangers? These all happen on a regular basis so why do people feel the need to bash smokers all the time??? How about people who just pop out loads of kids with different partners? How about those who pop them out regardless of the fact they can't suitably care for them? Those who have kids even though they are aware that they could possible give birth to physically or mentally ill babies, but do it anyway?? We should be bashing those too, not just smokers. My mum smoked while carrying both myself and my brother and sister (60's & 70's) there is nothing wrong with any of us. All relatively fit and healthy all our lives, except the usual childhood illnesses. All average/ above average intelligence!! " That's a silly argument. There is a high risk. My mum was fucking stupid for doing it. Why take the risk. The subject highlighted pregnant women smoking. It'd be the same for other substances. It's not bashing smokers. It's bashing the arseholes who continue to smoke, knowing the risks, knowing they're pregnant | |||
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"How about taking drugs while pregnant, drinking, prescribed meds, some foods, unprotected sex with strangers? These all happen on a regular basis so why do people feel the need to bash smokers all the time??? How about people who just pop out loads of kids with different partners? How about those who pop them out regardless of the fact they can't suitably care for them? Those who have kids even though they are aware that they could possible give birth to physically or mentally ill babies, but do it anyway?? We should be bashing those too, not just smokers. My mum smoked while carrying both myself and my brother and sister (60's & 70's) there is nothing wrong with any of us. All relatively fit and healthy all our lives, except the usual childhood illnesses. All average/ above average intelligence!! " Why would you bash someone who has a physically or mentally ill baby?  | |||
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"Smoking drinking , big families and brand new Vauxhall zafiras are all symptoms of people living on benefits . Most that work can't afford to smoke , drink excessively or buy Vauxhall Zafiras That's what I have noticed , " You forgot the Sky dish and the pit bull  | |||
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"Why would you bash someone who has a physically or mentally ill baby? "If you were told by a doctor that you had the possibility of having a baby that would be physically disabled or have a life limiting condition, for arguments sake, the same percentage as smoking while pregnant could harm your baby, would you go ahead and have a child?? | |||
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"Why would you bash someone who has a physically or mentally ill baby?
If you were told by a doctor that you had the possibility of having a baby that would be physically disabled or have a life limiting condition, for arguments sake, the same percentage as smoking while pregnant could harm your baby, would you go ahead and have a child??
"I'm afraid that's a risk with any pregnancy even if your in perfect health and do everything right. My youngest had an agpwr score of 1. She came out blue and lifeless. They got her breathing but it took 8 doctors. Then she had brain seizures and a serious infection of her blood.... None of it I could of helped I quit smoking well before I got pregnant and did it all by the book. It's up to them to decide the risk... | |||
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"Why would you bash someone who has a physically or mentally ill baby?
If you were told by a doctor that you had the possibility of having a baby that would be physically disabled or have a life limiting condition, for arguments sake, the same percentage as smoking while pregnant could harm your baby, would you go ahead and have a child??
I'm afraid that's a risk with any pregnancy even if your in perfect health and do everything right. My youngest had an agpwr score of 1. She came out blue and lifeless. They got her breathing but it took 8 doctors. Then she had brain seizures and a serious infection of her blood.... None of it I could of helped I quit smoking well before I got pregnant and did it all by the book.
It's up to them to decide the risk..."But if you'd been told that there was a distinct chance of any of that happening before you got pregnant, eg a known genetic problem would you have got pregnant anyway on the off chance that everything would be okay? So if it's up to them to decide the risk then surely it's up to a woman to decide the risk of smoking/drinking/taking drugs etc?? | |||
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"Why would you bash someone who has a physically or mentally ill baby?
If you were told by a doctor that you had the possibility of having a baby that would be physically disabled or have a life limiting condition, for arguments sake, the same percentage as smoking while pregnant could harm your baby, would you go ahead and have a child??
I'm afraid that's a risk with any pregnancy even if your in perfect health and do everything right. My youngest had an agpwr score of 1. She came out blue and lifeless. They got her breathing but it took 8 doctors. Then she had brain seizures and a serious infection of her blood.... None of it I could of helped I quit smoking well before I got pregnant and did it all by the book.
It's up to them to decide the risk...
But if you'd been told that there was a distinct chance of any of that happening before you got pregnant, eg a known genetic problem would you have got pregnant anyway on the off chance that everything would be okay?
So if it's up to them to decide the risk then surely it's up to a woman to decide the risk of smoking/drinking/taking drugs etc?? "Doesn't that depend on how high the risk is... For example where does the line be drawn 50% 60%? It's a grey area. If it was almost definite they would be strongly advised not to go ahead.... And no I was commenting on the genetic thing obviously not drinking and smoking and taking drugs! | |||
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"Why would you bash someone who has a physically or mentally ill baby?
If you were told by a doctor that you had the possibility of having a baby that would be physically disabled or have a life limiting condition, for arguments sake, the same percentage as smoking while pregnant could harm your baby, would you go ahead and have a child??
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" It's up to them to decide the risk... But if you'd been told that there was a distinct chance of any of that happening before you got pregnant, eg a known genetic problem would you have got pregnant anyway on the off chance that everything would be okay? So if it's up to them to decide the risk then surely it's up to a woman to decide the risk of smoking/drinking/taking drugs etc?? " How can you possibly compare the two? What a moronic response | |||
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"Why would you bash someone who has a physically or mentally ill baby?
If you were told by a doctor that you had the possibility of having a baby that would be physically disabled or have a life limiting condition, for arguments sake, the same percentage as smoking while pregnant could harm your baby, would you go ahead and have a child??
Yes I would."Well that makes you as bad as any woman who smokes while pregnant! | |||
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" It's up to them to decide the risk... But if you'd been told that there was a distinct chance of any of that happening before you got pregnant, eg a known genetic problem would you have got pregnant anyway on the off chance that everything would be okay? So if it's up to them to decide the risk then surely it's up to a woman to decide the risk of smoking/drinking/taking drugs etc?? How can you possibly compare the two? What a moronic response " Why is it different? It's all about choice! If you choose to smoke while pregnant then you COULD harm your baby. If your told you COULD have a child with a life limiting condition then it's the same! All about making those choices and not having idiots telling you what you should or shouldn't do | |||
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"Why would you bash someone who has a physically or mentally ill baby?
If you were told by a doctor that you had the possibility of having a baby that would be physically disabled or have a life limiting condition, for arguments sake, the same percentage as smoking while pregnant could harm your baby, would you go ahead and have a child??
Yes I would.
Well that makes you as bad as any woman who smokes while pregnant! "It really doesn't...  smoking will definitely cause harm and its an action you can choose not to take.
Whether your baby is born with a condition is down to gebtics statistics and chance and theres often nothing you can do to negate or reduce the risk... | |||
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"This is surely the most selfish action one human being can do to another....there should be a law passed that fuckers that do this should be melted down for glue as they are sod all use to society...." Bloody hell | |||
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"and 9 months is so long...." You know your never going to get pregnant don't you  | |||
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"and 9 months is so long.... You know your never going to get pregnant don't you "yes, I always practise safe sex.....  | |||
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"and 9 months is so long.... You know your never going to get pregnant don't you
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"Why would you bash someone who has a physically or mentally ill baby?
If you were told by a doctor that you had the possibility of having a baby that would be physically disabled or have a life limiting condition, for arguments sake, the same percentage as smoking while pregnant could harm your baby, would you go ahead and have a child??
Yes I would.
Well that makes you as bad as any woman who smokes while pregnant!
It really doesn't... smoking will definitely cause harm and its an action you can choose not to take.
Whether your baby is born with a condition is down to gebtics statistics and chance and theres often nothing you can do to negate or reduce the risk..."Smoking doesn't definitely cause harm!! If you'd read my post earlier then you would know this. I have two other siblings and my mother smoked while pregnant with us all, 40 per day! With no side affects. If it was a fact that it will definitely cause harm by way of heart defects, asthma ect then everyone born to smoking parents in the 40's 50's 60's and 70's would all be dead by now because of this. Also if you'd read what I had actually said, so I will repeat it... If you were told prior to pregnancy that because of a genetic condition, your child would be badly disabled or have a life limiting condition, would you still conceive a child? So what difference is there? A. Choose to smoke while pregnant thus harming your unborn child and giving birth to a sick child or B choosing to give birth to a child that will be poorly because you have a known genetic condition that will cause this? Not once did I say that giving birth to a child with a chronic/life limiting condition was wrong if you had no prior knowledge that it could happen. | |||
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" How can you possibly compare the two? What a moronic response " Can't you have a grown up discussion without being rude to people, just because I threw in a different perspective really doesn't make me a moron! But it is bigoted to abuse someone who has a different point of _iew to you! | |||
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"Why would you bash someone who has a physically or mentally ill baby?
If you were told by a doctor that you had the possibility of having a baby that would be physically disabled or have a life limiting condition, for arguments sake, the same percentage as smoking while pregnant could harm your baby, would you go ahead and have a child??
Yes I would.
Well that makes you as bad as any woman who smokes while pregnant!
It really doesn't... smoking will definitely cause harm and its an action you can choose not to take.
Whether your baby is born with a condition is down to gebtics statistics and chance and theres often nothing you can do to negate or reduce the risk...
Smoking doesn't definitely cause harm!! If you'd read my post earlier then you would know this. I have two other siblings and my mother smoked while pregnant with us all, 40 per day! With no side affects. If it was a fact that it will definitely cause harm by way of heart defects, asthma ect then everyone born to smoking parents in the 40's 50's 60's and 70's would all be dead by now because of this. Also if you'd read what I had actually said, so I will repeat it... If you were told prior to pregnancy that because of a genetic condition, your child would be badly disabled or have a life limiting condition, would you still conceive a child? So what difference is there? A. Choose to smoke while pregnant thus harming your unborn child and giving birth to a sick child or B choosing to give birth to a child that will be poorly because you have a known genetic condition that will cause this?
Not once did I say that giving birth to a child with a chronic/life limiting condition was wrong if you had no prior knowledge that it could happen."I did read what you said and my response was... Here let me repeat it for you. It's statisics. A high percentage will have harm caused by smoking if that wasn't the case why do we advise against it? There's always exceptions to the rule and just cause you are fine doesn't mean you wouldn't of been taller, stronger etc etc if your parents didn't smoke. That's impossible to say. So I repeat where do you draw the line? I'm not sure I'm getting your bottom line are you saying smoking's not as bad having a Baby that carries a chnace of having a condition? If so I also repeat when does that become wrong? A 50% risk or where?? | |||
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" How can you possibly compare the two? What a moronic response Can't you have a grown up discussion without being rude to people, just because I threw in a different perspective really doesn't make me a moron! But it is bigoted to abuse someone who has a different point of _iew to you! " No. I stand by what I said. If you think I'm a bigot that's cool I think you're a moron | |||
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"Smoking drinking , big families and brand new Vauxhall zafiras are all symptoms of people living on benefits . Most that work can't afford to smoke , drink excessively or buy Vauxhall Zafiras That's what I have noticed , " We work, don't drink, smoke, have a big family... But drive a galaxy....  | |||
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"Why would you bash someone who has a physically or mentally ill baby?
If you were told by a doctor that you had the possibility of having a baby that would be physically disabled or have a life limiting condition, for arguments sake, the same percentage as smoking while pregnant could harm your baby, would you go ahead and have a child??
Yes I would.
Well that makes you as bad as any woman who smokes while pregnant!
It really doesn't... smoking will definitely cause harm and its an action you can choose not to take.
Whether your baby is born with a condition is down to gebtics statistics and chance and theres often nothing you can do to negate or reduce the risk..."No smoking won't definitely cause harm. Many women who smoke during pregnancy have perfectly healthy babies. I personally stopped while pregnant though and while I was breastfeeding. | |||
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"How about taking drugs while pregnant, drinking, prescribed meds, some foods, unprotected sex with strangers? These all happen on a regular basis so why do people feel the need to bash smokers all the time??? How about people who just pop out loads of kids with different partners? How about those who pop them out regardless of the fact they can't suitably care for them? Those who have kids even though they are aware that they could possible give birth to physically or mentally ill babies, but do it anyway?? We should be bashing those too, not just smokers. My mum smoked while carrying both myself and my brother and sister (60's & 70's) there is nothing wrong with any of us. All relatively fit and healthy all our lives, except the usual childhood illnesses. All average/ above average intelligence!! "
Ashamed to it it but I smoked with my last 2 pregnancies but before I get slated you need to know the facts.........In a nutshell both me and my unborn children nearly died (unrelated health reasons) I was so stressed and terrified that even my obstetrician thought it unwise to even try and stop (which I did but failed miserably) but to be fair the medication I was being prescribed and given (morphine, buscapan ect..) was, in my _iew, just as dangerous as me smoking but I had no option. Although our 7 year old was born with a disability (not smoking related or prescribed drugs related at all) our 3 year old was born a good size and very healthy. So I'd say yes for many it is the fact they don't care and put their selfish needs before their unborns but for some there may be underlying reasons
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"Why would you bash someone who has a physically or mentally ill baby?
If you were told by a doctor that you had the possibility of having a baby that would be physically disabled or have a life limiting condition, for arguments sake, the same percentage as smoking while pregnant could harm your baby, would you go ahead and have a child??
Yes I would.
Well that makes you as bad as any woman who smokes while pregnant!
It really doesn't... smoking will definitely cause harm and its an action you can choose not to take.
Whether your baby is born with a condition is down to gebtics statistics and chance and theres often nothing you can do to negate or reduce the risk...
No smoking won't definitely cause harm. Many women who smoke during pregnancy have perfectly healthy babies. I personally stopped while pregnant though and while I was breastfeeding. "Read the post I did after high risk is the phrase I meant but didn't type | |||
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"I just cannot understand smoking full stop." It's really nice. | |||
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"How about taking drugs while pregnant, drinking, prescribed meds, some foods, unprotected sex with strangers? These all happen on a regular basis so why do people feel the need to bash smokers all the time??? How about people who just pop out loads of kids with different partners? How about those who pop them out regardless of the fact they can't suitably care for them? Those who have kids even though they are aware that they could possible give birth to physically or mentally ill babies, but do it anyway?? We should be bashing those too, not just smokers. My mum smoked while carrying both myself and my brother and sister (60's & 70's) there is nothing wrong with any of us. All relatively fit and healthy all our lives, except the usual childhood illnesses. All average/ above average intelligence!!
Ashamed to it it but I smoked with my last 2 pregnancies but before I get slated you need to know the facts.........In a nutshell both me and my unborn children nearly died (unrelated health reasons) I was so stressed and terrified that even my obstetrician thought it unwise to even try and stop (which I did but failed miserably) but to be fair the medication I was being prescribed and given (morphine, buscapan ect..) was, in my _iew, just as dangerous as me smoking but I had no option. Although our 7 year old was born with a disability (not smoking related or prescribed drugs related at all) our 3 year old was born a good size and very healthy. So I'd say yes for many it is the fact they don't care and put their selfish needs before their unborns but for some there may be underlying reasons
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"How about taking drugs while pregnant, drinking, prescribed meds, some foods, unprotected sex with strangers? These all happen on a regular basis so why do people feel the need to bash smokers all the time??? How about people who just pop out loads of kids with different partners? How about those who pop them out regardless of the fact they can't suitably care for them? Those who have kids even though they are aware that they could possible give birth to physically or mentally ill babies, but do it anyway?? We should be bashing those too, not just smokers. My mum smoked while carrying both myself and my brother and sister (60's & 70's) there is nothing wrong with any of us. All relatively fit and healthy all our lives, except the usual childhood illnesses. All average/ above average intelligence!!
Ashamed to it it but I smoked with my last 2 pregnancies but before I get slated you need to know the facts.........In a nutshell both me and my unborn children nearly died (unrelated health reasons) I was so stressed and terrified that even my obstetrician thought it unwise to even try and stop (which I did but failed miserably) but to be fair the medication I was being prescribed and given (morphine, buscapan ect..) was, in my _iew, just as dangerous as me smoking but I had no option. Although our 7 year old was born with a disability (not smoking related or prescribed drugs related at all) our 3 year old was born a good size and very healthy. So I'd say yes for many it is the fact they don't care and put their selfish needs before their unborns but for some there may be underlying reasons
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Ahh I bet your unborn babies loved the taste of fags "Nope probably not and in no way am I justifying MY actions but unless you are in that situation you'd not fully understand. And in all honesty I'd have much rather chosen the ciggies than the antidepressants my gp was trying to force upon me and THEY DID carry a massive defect/health risk | |||
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"How about taking drugs while pregnant, drinking, prescribed meds, some foods, unprotected sex with strangers? These all happen on a regular basis so why do people feel the need to bash smokers all the time??? How about people who just pop out loads of kids with different partners? How about those who pop them out regardless of the fact they can't suitably care for them? Those who have kids even though they are aware that they could possible give birth to physically or mentally ill babies, but do it anyway?? We should be bashing those too, not just smokers. My mum smoked while carrying both myself and my brother and sister (60's & 70's) there is nothing wrong with any of us. All relatively fit and healthy all our lives, except the usual childhood illnesses. All average/ above average intelligence!!
Ashamed to it it but I smoked with my last 2 pregnancies but before I get slated you need to know the facts.........In a nutshell both me and my unborn children nearly died (unrelated health reasons) I was so stressed and terrified that even my obstetrician thought it unwise to even try and stop (which I did but failed miserably) but to be fair the medication I was being prescribed and given (morphine, buscapan ect..) was, in my _iew, just as dangerous as me smoking but I had no option. Although our 7 year old was born with a disability (not smoking related or prescribed drugs related at all) our 3 year old was born a good size and very healthy. So I'd say yes for many it is the fact they don't care and put their selfish needs before their unborns but for some there may be underlying reasons
Jane x"You don't need to be ashamed or justify to anyone on here! The opinion of anyone on here doesn't count, it's your opinion of yourself is what counts. I hope your 7 year old is okay?
I've not actually offered an opinion on wether I agree with it or disagree. It's not for me to judge, it's a choice, and as adults (well most) we have the right to make an educated decision based on knowledge. In the long run we have to live with the decisions we have made.
I was just throwing in a different perspective, that all kinds of things can have an effect on our unborn children not just smoking!
After all doctors prescribed thalidomide to pregnant women, it was a safe drug to take to stop morning sickness, look what happened there!!! Because the medical profession is always right!! Right??  | |||
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"Why would you bash someone who has a physically or mentally ill baby?
If you were told by a doctor that you had the possibility of having a baby that would be physically disabled or have a life limiting condition, for arguments sake, the same percentage as smoking while pregnant could harm your baby, would you go ahead and have a child??
Yes I would.
Well that makes you as bad as any woman who smokes while pregnant!
It really doesn't... smoking will definitely cause harm and its an action you can choose not to take.
Whether your baby is born with a condition is down to gebtics statistics and chance and theres often nothing you can do to negate or reduce the risk...
No smoking won't definitely cause harm. Many women who smoke during pregnancy have perfectly healthy babies. I personally stopped while pregnant though and while I was breastfeeding.
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"How about taking drugs while pregnant, drinking, prescribed meds, some foods, unprotected sex with strangers? These all happen on a regular basis so why do people feel the need to bash smokers all the time??? How about people who just pop out loads of kids with different partners? How about those who pop them out regardless of the fact they can't suitably care for them? Those who have kids even though they are aware that they could possible give birth to physically or mentally ill babies, but do it anyway?? We should be bashing those too, not just smokers. My mum smoked while carrying both myself and my brother and sister (60's & 70's) there is nothing wrong with any of us. All relatively fit and healthy all our lives, except the usual childhood illnesses. All average/ above average intelligence!!
Ashamed to it it but I smoked with my last 2 pregnancies but before I get slated you need to know the facts.........In a nutshell both me and my unborn children nearly died (unrelated health reasons) I was so stressed and terrified that even my obstetrician thought it unwise to even try and stop (which I did but failed miserably) but to be fair the medication I was being prescribed and given (morphine, buscapan ect..) was, in my _iew, just as dangerous as me smoking but I had no option. Although our 7 year old was born with a disability (not smoking related or prescribed drugs related at all) our 3 year old was born a good size and very healthy. So I'd say yes for many it is the fact they don't care and put their selfish needs before their unborns but for some there may be underlying reasons
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"Why would you bash someone who has a physically or mentally ill baby?
If you were told by a doctor that you had the possibility of having a baby that would be physically disabled or have a life limiting condition, for arguments sake, the same percentage as smoking while pregnant could harm your baby, would you go ahead and have a child??
Yes I would.
Well that makes you as bad as any woman who smokes while pregnant! "So I'm pregnant and find out my child isn't 100% normal but don't terminate it or have an abortion and I'm as bad as a mother who smokes? Coming from someone who thought asking if someone was autistic was offensive, I find you laughable and just a bit stupid. | |||
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"Why would you bash someone who has a physically or mentally ill baby?
If you were told by a doctor that you had the possibility of having a baby that would be physically disabled or have a life limiting condition, for arguments sake, the same percentage as smoking while pregnant could harm your baby, would you go ahead and have a child??
Yes I would.
Well that makes you as bad as any woman who smokes while pregnant!
It really doesn't... smoking will definitely cause harm and its an action you can choose not to take.
Whether your baby is born with a condition is down to gebtics statistics and chance and theres often nothing you can do to negate or reduce the risk...
No smoking won't definitely cause harm. Many women who smoke during pregnancy have perfectly healthy babies. I personally stopped while pregnant though and while I was breastfeeding.
Read the post I did after high risk is the phrase I meant but didn't type
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"and 9 months is so long...." You're close to your dogs. Give them away for 9 months then have an idea what being pregnant is like. Not the alcohol or fags as such. | |||
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"and 9 months is so long.... You're close to your dogs. Give them away for 9 months then have an idea what being pregnant is like. Not the alcohol or fags as such. " not long for an lower risk of ill health for the baby and probably 6 by the time you find out | |||
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"Why would you bash someone who has a physically or mentally ill baby?
If you were told by a doctor that you had the possibility of having a baby that would be physically disabled or have a life limiting condition, for arguments sake, the same percentage as smoking while pregnant could harm your baby, would you go ahead and have a child??
Yes I would.
Well that makes you as bad as any woman who smokes while pregnant!
So I'm pregnant and find out my child isn't 100% normal but don't terminate it or have an abortion and I'm as bad as a mother who smokes?
Coming from someone who thought asking if someone was autistic was offensive, I find you laughable and just a bit stupid."Pmsl, stupid? Who can't read? I clearly said IF YOU KNEW BEFORE YOU BECAME PREGNANT!!! And yes after seeing someone write a few lines in a post you stupidly and offensively questioned if he was autistic!!! Anyone who questions a certain type of reply must be autistic??? Cleaver! Someone who makes a spelling mistake or two must be dyslexic?? Someone who's grammar isn't correct must be stupid?? But then I don't spend ALL of my time on this site and in the forums, so what would I know. I bow to the almighty perfect people with no life!! | |||
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" How can you possibly compare the two? What a moronic response Can't you have a grown up discussion without being rude to people, just because I threw in a different perspective really doesn't make me a moron! But it is bigoted to abuse someone who has a different point of _iew to you! No. I stand by what I said. If you think I'm a bigot that's cool I think you're a moron "Oh well I can change a light bulb.... Alone | |||
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"Why would you bash someone who has a physically or mentally ill baby?
If you were told by a doctor that you had the possibility of having a baby that would be physically disabled or have a life limiting condition, for arguments sake, the same percentage as smoking while pregnant could harm your baby, would you go ahead and have a child??
Yes I would.
Well that makes you as bad as any woman who smokes while pregnant!
So I'm pregnant and find out my child isn't 100% normal but don't terminate it or have an abortion and I'm as bad as a mother who smokes?
Coming from someone who thought asking if someone was autistic was offensive, I find you laughable and just a bit stupid.
Pmsl, stupid? Who can't read?
I clearly said IF YOU KNEW BEFORE YOU BECAME PREGNANT!!!
And yes after seeing someone write a few lines in a post you stupidly and offensively questioned if he was autistic!!! Anyone who questions a certain type of reply must be autistic??? Cleaver!
Someone who makes a spelling mistake or two must be dyslexic??
Someone who's grammar isn't correct must be stupid??
But then I don't spend ALL of my time on this site and in the forums, so what would I know. I bow to the almighty perfect people with no life!! "Take a chill pill love. | |||
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" But then I don't spend ALL of my time on this site and in the forums, so what would I know. I bow to the almighty perfect people with no life!! " arise, you have bowed enough to me, you are making me feel awkward
on your way up, could you scratch the itchy bit on my leg
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"Obviously taking any medication, recreational or otherwise, is not without risks to the unborn child. The big issue with smoking is that in addition to the toxic carcinogenic chemicals in the smoke, and the fact that smokers tend to smoke regularly and repeatedly, smoke also contains carbon monoxide. This binds with haemoglobin around six times more tightly than carbon dioxide or oxygen, thus reducing the oxygen carrying capacity of the the blood and effectively asphyxiating the foetus. This is known to adversely affect foetal development, particularly that of the brain. That's why smoking in particular, is so bad for unborn children." Why bother? You're never going to reach through to their peanut brains | |||
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"Obviously taking any medication, recreational or otherwise, is not without risks to the unborn child. The big issue with smoking is that in addition to the toxic carcinogenic chemicals in the smoke, and the fact that smokers tend to smoke regularly and repeatedly, smoke also contains carbon monoxide. This binds with haemoglobin around six times more tightly than carbon dioxide or oxygen, thus reducing the oxygen carrying capacity of the the blood and effectively asphyxiating the foetus. This is known to adversely affect foetal development, particularly that of the brain. That's why smoking in particular, is so bad for unborn children." Could be bad for the unborn child... if u read my pervious comment.. | |||
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"Obviously taking any medication, recreational or otherwise, is not without risks to the unborn child. The big issue with smoking is that in addition to the toxic carcinogenic chemicals in the smoke, and the fact that smokers tend to smoke regularly and repeatedly, smoke also contains carbon monoxide. This binds with haemoglobin around six times more tightly than carbon dioxide or oxygen, thus reducing the oxygen carrying capacity of the the blood and effectively asphyxiating the foetus. This is known to adversely affect foetal development, particularly that of the brain. That's why smoking in particular, is so bad for unborn children." Very very true | |||
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"Why would you bash someone who has a physically or mentally ill baby?
If you were told by a doctor that you had the possibility of having a baby that would be physically disabled or have a life limiting condition, for arguments sake, the same percentage as smoking while pregnant could harm your baby, would you go ahead and have a child??
Yes I would.
Well that makes you as bad as any woman who smokes while pregnant!
So I'm pregnant and find out my child isn't 100% normal but don't terminate it or have an abortion and I'm as bad as a mother who smokes?
Coming from someone who thought asking if someone was autistic was offensive, I find you laughable and just a bit stupid.
Pmsl, stupid? Who can't read?
I clearly said IF YOU KNEW BEFORE YOU BECAME PREGNANT!!!
And yes after seeing someone write a few lines in a post you stupidly and offensively questioned if he was autistic!!! Anyone who questions a certain type of reply must be autistic??? Cleaver!
Someone who makes a spelling mistake or two must be dyslexic??
Someone who's grammar isn't correct must be stupid??
But then I don't spend ALL of my time on this site and in the forums, so what would I know. I bow to the almighty perfect people with no life!!
Take a chill pill love."Would that harm my unborn child?? The one conceived while high on recreational drugs and out dogging?? | |||
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"Obviously taking any medication, recreational or otherwise, is not without risks to the unborn child. The big issue with smoking is that in addition to the toxic carcinogenic chemicals in the smoke, and the fact that smokers tend to smoke regularly and repeatedly, smoke also contains carbon monoxide. This binds with haemoglobin around six times more tightly than carbon dioxide or oxygen, thus reducing the oxygen carrying capacity of the the blood and effectively asphyxiating the foetus. This is known to adversely affect foetal development, particularly that of the brain. That's why smoking in particular, is so bad for unborn children. Could be bad for the unborn child... if u read my pervious comment.. " IS bad. If someone constantly blew smoke directly into your mouth and face in an airtight room do you think that 'could' be bad? | |||
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"I hate seeing pregnant ladies smoking.
Me too. It was getting pregnant that made me quit. What more motivation does anyone need? I'd been smoking for over 10 years when i first got pregnant and i gave up the minute i found out i was pregnant. It was a no brainer for me. " | |||
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"In my personal opinion there is far to many do and don'ts while pregnant.. 1 of the most stupid 1s that was in papers a few years ago was dnt get in a new car because the stuff they use to clean it is bad for unborn baby, don't dye your hair while pregnant, don't eat this that and other, don't drink any alcohol ( but yet years ago it was good to drink half pint of guiness a day because of the iron in it), none of this was around when our grandparents where born but our parentire survived to have us.... same as all the advice on what to let kids eat n not eat n what they shold n shouldnt do.... didn't hurt us as kids eating mud pies n falling out trees n eating with dirty hands ect xx" This!! I'm not getting into the argument of what's the right thing to do, all I know is this my mother smoked through four pregnancies: she lost her first one at the 6 month mark, my elder brother and sister both have learning difficulties (quite serverly) and I myself is 'normal' (maybe a little off the wall at times!), was this due to her smoking? Who knows, all I know is up until very recently I had never smoked in my life and I have given birth to three wonderful boys but again two of them are disabled (when I say disabled for my brother, sister and my kids I mean they have asd) yet I did not smoke. | |||
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"In my personal opinion there is far to many do and don'ts while pregnant.. 1 of the most stupid 1s that was in papers a few years ago was dnt get in a new car because the stuff they use to clean it is bad for unborn baby, don't dye your hair while pregnant, don't eat this that and other, don't drink any alcohol ( but yet years ago it was good to drink half pint of guiness a day because of the iron in it), none of this was around when our grandparents where born but our parentire survived to have us.... same as all the advice on what to let kids eat n not eat n what they shold n shouldnt do.... didn't hurt us as kids eating mud pies n falling out trees n eating with dirty hands ect xx This!! I'm not getting into the argument of what's the right thing to do, all I know is this my mother smoked through four pregnancies: she lost her first one at the 6 month mark, my elder brother and sister both have learning difficulties (quite serverly) and I myself is 'normal' (maybe a little off the wall at times!), was this due to her smoking? Who knows, all I know is up until very recently I had never smoked in my life and I have given birth to three wonderful boys but again two of them are disabled (when I say disabled for my brother, sister and my kids I mean they have asd) yet I did not smoke. " So there isn't any actual proof that smoking harms your baby... Docs like to blame everything on smoking... you are proof that a baby can be born with illness or disability with out you smoking xx | |||
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"In my personal opinion there is far to many do and don'ts while pregnant.. 1 of the most stupid 1s that was in papers a few years ago was dnt get in a new car because the stuff they use to clean it is bad for unborn baby, don't dye your hair while pregnant, don't eat this that and other, don't drink any alcohol ( but yet years ago it was good to drink half pint of guiness a day because of the iron in it), none of this was around when our grandparents where born but our parentire survived to have us.... same as all the advice on what to let kids eat n not eat n what they shold n shouldnt do.... didn't hurt us as kids eating mud pies n falling out trees n eating with dirty hands ect xx This!! I'm not getting into the argument of what's the right thing to do, all I know is this my mother smoked through four pregnancies: she lost her first one at the 6 month mark, my elder brother and sister both have learning difficulties (quite serverly) and I myself is 'normal' (maybe a little off the wall at times!), was this due to her smoking? Who knows, all I know is up until very recently I had never smoked in my life and I have given birth to three wonderful boys but again two of them are disabled (when I say disabled for my brother, sister and my kids I mean they have asd) yet I did not smoke. So there isn't any actual proof that smoking harms your baby... Docs like to blame everything on smoking... you are proof that a baby can be born with illness or disability with out you smoking xx" There is lots of proof. The fact that people are born disabled without outside interference too is not proof that smoking does no harm. People are born disabled without their mother having taken thalidomide during pregnancy too but you wouldn't argue that thalidomide didn't harm babies (the bad isomer that is) | |||
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"But your not eating a cigarette n the smoke n all shit goes to your lungs... yes baby shares your blood stream but 90% of the shit is filtered from your blood by your lungs so any a small amount actually gets to baby...... same as if u live in a city are you not gonna take baby out coz the fumes from cars ect??? X" Where did that statistic come from?!?! 1000's of toxins enter the bloodstream of the smoker which is shared by the baby. The biggest complications from smoking during pregnancy are stillbirth & premature delivery. | |||
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"But your not eating a cigarette n the smoke n all shit goes to your lungs... yes baby shares your blood stream but 90% of the shit is filtered from your blood by your lungs so any a small amount actually gets to baby...... same as if u live in a city are you not gonna take baby out coz the fumes from cars ect??? X Where did that statistic come from?!?! 1000's of toxins enter the bloodstream of the smoker which is shared by the baby. The biggest complications from smoking during pregnancy are stillbirth & premature delivery. " The way it is you'd probably be better off eating the fag, that's how ridiculous that argument is | |||
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"But your not eating a cigarette n the smoke n all shit goes to your lungs... yes baby shares your blood stream but 90% of the shit is filtered from your blood by your lungs so any a small amount actually gets to baby...... same as if u live in a city are you not gonna take baby out coz the fumes from cars ect??? X" Oh dear god seriously? Right you're lungs don't filter anything beyond not letting solid particles through. Your gut would "filter" far more due to its more selective uptake and be less dangerous because you can't pump carbon monoxide through your gut like you can your lung | |||
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"But your not eating a cigarette n the smoke n all shit goes to your lungs... yes baby shares your blood stream but 90% of the shit is filtered from your blood by your lungs so any a small amount actually gets to baby...... same as if u live in a city are you not gonna take baby out coz the fumes from cars ect??? X Where did that statistic come from?!?! 1000's of toxins enter the bloodstream of the smoker which is shared by the baby. The biggest complications from smoking during pregnancy are stillbirth & premature delivery. The way it is you'd probably be better off eating the fag, that's how ridiculous that argument is " I know, it's beyond belief! | |||
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"In my personal opinion there is far to many do and don'ts while pregnant.. 1 of the most stupid 1s that was in papers a few years ago was dnt get in a new car because the stuff they use to clean it is bad for unborn baby, don't dye your hair while pregnant, don't eat this that and other, don't drink any alcohol ( but yet years ago it was good to drink half pint of guiness a day because of the iron in it), none of this was around when our grandparents where born but our parentire survived to have us.... same as all the advice on what to let kids eat n not eat n what they shold n shouldnt do.... didn't hurt us as kids eating mud pies n falling out trees n eating with dirty hands ect xx This!! I'm not getting into the argument of what's the right thing to do, all I know is this my mother smoked through four pregnancies: she lost her first one at the 6 month mark, my elder brother and sister both have learning difficulties (quite serverly) and I myself is 'normal' (maybe a little off the wall at times!), was this due to her smoking? Who knows, all I know is up until very recently I had never smoked in my life and I have given birth to three wonderful boys but again two of them are disabled (when I say disabled for my brother, sister and my kids I mean they have asd) yet I did not smoke. So there isn't any actual proof that smoking harms your baby... Docs like to blame everything on smoking... you are proof that a baby can be born with illness or disability with out you smoking xx There is lots of proof. The fact that people are born disabled without outside interference too is not proof that smoking does no harm. People are born disabled without their mother having taken thalidomide during pregnancy too but you wouldn't argue that thalidomide didn't harm babies (the bad isomer that is) " I'm not arguing smoking may cause harm I'm saying it may not cause harm. | |||
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"In my personal opinion there is far to many do and don'ts while pregnant.. 1 of the most stupid 1s that was in papers a few years ago was dnt get in a new car because the stuff they use to clean it is bad for unborn baby, don't dye your hair while pregnant, don't eat this that and other, don't drink any alcohol ( but yet years ago it was good to drink half pint of guiness a day because of the iron in it), none of this was around when our grandparents where born but our parentire survived to have us.... same as all the advice on what to let kids eat n not eat n what they shold n shouldnt do.... didn't hurt us as kids eating mud pies n falling out trees n eating with dirty hands ect xx This!! I'm not getting into the argument of what's the right thing to do, all I know is this my mother smoked through four pregnancies: she lost her first one at the 6 month mark, my elder brother and sister both have learning difficulties (quite serverly) and I myself is 'normal' (maybe a little off the wall at times!), was this due to her smoking? Who knows, all I know is up until very recently I had never smoked in my life and I have given birth to three wonderful boys but again two of them are disabled (when I say disabled for my brother, sister and my kids I mean they have asd) yet I did not smoke. So there isn't any actual proof that smoking harms your baby... Docs like to blame everything on smoking... you are proof that a baby can be born with illness or disability with out you smoking xx There is lots of proof. The fact that people are born disabled without outside interference too is not proof that smoking does no harm. People are born disabled without their mother having taken thalidomide during pregnancy too but you wouldn't argue that thalidomide didn't harm babies (the bad isomer that is) I'm not arguing smoking may cause harm I'm saying it may not cause harm. " I know you are that was my whole point. It's provable it causes harm though in all instances the fact that harm does not lead to life long complications or disability does not mean it hasn't affected growth and development. | |||
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"In my personal opinion there is far to many do and don'ts while pregnant.. 1 of the most stupid 1s that was in papers a few years ago was dnt get in a new car because the stuff they use to clean it is bad for unborn baby, don't dye your hair while pregnant, don't eat this that and other, don't drink any alcohol ( but yet years ago it was good to drink half pint of guiness a day because of the iron in it), none of this was around when our grandparents where born but our parentire survived to have us.... same as all the advice on what to let kids eat n not eat n what they shold n shouldnt do.... didn't hurt us as kids eating mud pies n falling out trees n eating with dirty hands ect xx This!! I'm not getting into the argument of what's the right thing to do, all I know is this my mother smoked through four pregnancies: she lost her first one at the 6 month mark, my elder brother and sister both have learning difficulties (quite serverly) and I myself is 'normal' (maybe a little off the wall at times!), was this due to her smoking? Who knows, all I know is up until very recently I had never smoked in my life and I have given birth to three wonderful boys but again two of them are disabled (when I say disabled for my brother, sister and my kids I mean they have asd) yet I did not smoke. So there isn't any actual proof that smoking harms your baby... Docs like to blame everything on smoking... you are proof that a baby can be born with illness or disability with out you smoking xx There is lots of proof. The fact that people are born disabled without outside interference too is not proof that smoking does no harm. People are born disabled without their mother having taken thalidomide during pregnancy too but you wouldn't argue that thalidomide didn't harm babies (the bad isomer that is) I'm not arguing smoking may cause harm I'm saying it may not cause harm. " It may not cause harm in every pregnacy but why risk when it's proven to be carcinogenic & generally bad for your health. It's one of the those shite arguments that's done for the sake of it. | |||
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"Obviously taking any medication, recreational or otherwise, is not without risks to the unborn child. The big issue with smoking is that in addition to the toxic carcinogenic chemicals in the smoke, and the fact that smokers tend to smoke regularly and repeatedly, smoke also contains carbon monoxide. This binds with haemoglobin around six times more tightly than carbon dioxide or oxygen, thus reducing the oxygen carrying capacity of the the blood and effectively asphyxiating the foetus. This is known to adversely affect foetal development, particularly that of the brain. That's why smoking in particular, is so bad for unborn children. Why bother? You're never going to reach through to their peanut brains " To be fair - I don't think many of my fellow forumites have peanut brains! I found that very informative - thank you!
My sister chain-smoked with all 3 of her children and drank heavily when pregnant with her third child!
She was born early and very light with a hole in her heart and needed an operation at a few months old. She was taken into care - but later returned to my sister! My sister still drinks and smokes heavily.
Low life's in society do as they please because there are no deterrents and no repercussions - and there will always be bleeding heart middle class pseudo socialists to make excuses for them!
I lived in a council house in a very dodgy area for six years after my oldest daughter was born. I was the only person I knew on the estate who didn't smoke. I also didn't drink heavily - and I got a job as soon as she started school to save up a deposit on a house!
I never understood the mentality of many of my ex-neighbours - and I never will! Many parents never even took their kids to the park which was five mins walk away! It's a different world! | |||
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"I really do hope some people that have posted on this thread don't have children!!! Some hilarious and ridiculous comments. As per my previous post cigarettes contain over 4000 chemicals, the two most dangerous to a baby are nicotine and Carbon manoxcide which travel through the blood stream of the mother into the babies main form of food whilst inside a woman. Seriously go google the facts prior to posting. " The single most harmful chemical in any smoke produced from organic material is benzo alpha pyrene, one of many carcinogenic polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons - doesn't matter whether it's tobacco or lettuce -in fact wood and coal smoke are the worst offenders in this respect. Carbon monoxide starves the developing foetus of oxygen by binding haemoglobin and thus reducing the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood, leading to stunted development and possible brain damage. Nicotine is the least of your worries, it's a mildly addictive stimulant, found in many foods such as spinach, peppers, tomato, potato, tea etc. | |||
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"I think for those of you condoning smoking during pregnancy perhaps it's worth reading up on the NICE guidelines. Fags contain over 4000 chemicals which can cause a baby's heart to beat much faster than normal this putting unnecessary strain on it. Smoking increases the chances of a premature birth, a still birth, and also is one of the major links to sids or more commonly known as cot death. Studies also show that children who's mothers smoked during pregnancy have higher risk of recurrent infections and breathing issues, such as asthma, chest infections, bronc. My opinion is if people are banned from smoking in a car with a person under 18 then it should be the same for pregnancy as the unborn child is also passive smoking. I wonder how many people there were in the uk that Were under 18 that took in passive Smokeing before the 2007 smokeing ban Came in, and what effects it might have had on their lives now and into The future, most clubs I visited with my parents when I was that age ash trays were every where and in many case,s so was the smoke, talk about Smoke gets in your eyes it got every where, to see no ash trays about now Is a pleasure.. " | |||
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"In my personal opinion there is far to many do and don'ts while pregnant.. 1 of the most stupid 1s that was in papers a few years ago was dnt get in a new car because the stuff they use to clean it is bad for unborn baby, don't dye your hair while pregnant, don't eat this that and other, don't drink any alcohol ( but yet years ago it was good to drink half pint of guiness a day because of the iron in it), none of this was around when our grandparents where born but our parentire survived to have us.... same as all the advice on what to let kids eat n not eat n what they shold n shouldnt do.... didn't hurt us as kids eating mud pies n falling out trees n eating with dirty hands ect xx" Years ago we thought we could cure all illnesses using leeches!! We know a lot more now! I think your argument could have a few holes in it! | |||
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"What gets me is that these so called deprived people can afford to smoke As a non smoker ive never put the need for nicotine before my kids at any point but have gone without things when I've been on benefits... Smokers on benefits boil my piss.... Kids going to school hungry but mum's there chain smoking Ugghh Far too hormonal for ranting so I'll stop there " | |||
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"Point is, as has been missed by the stupid amongst us! Why would you do ANYTHING that would possibly endanger the life of your unborn child? No drugs, no alcohol and no smoking! Cut down of coffee and perhaps many more things. You decide to have a child, this is what you should be signing up to. In my _iew, it is just selfish. But then, I cringe at the way many parents try and be their kids best friend as well.. I think I am from another time, must go for a lie down..." | |||
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"Point is, as has been missed by the stupid amongst us! Why would you do ANYTHING that would possibly endanger the life of your unborn child? No drugs, no alcohol and no smoking! Cut down of coffee and perhaps many more things. You decide to have a child, this is what you should be signing up to. In my _iew, it is just selfish. But then, I cringe at the way many parents try and be their kids best friend as well.. I think I am from another time, must go for a lie down... "Going out in car COULD endanger a life, so COULD crossing a road, so COULD a trip to park, So could a lot of things in life does that mean your not gonna do it??? | |||
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"Point is, as has been missed by the stupid amongst us! Why would you do ANYTHING that would possibly endanger the life of your unborn child? No drugs, no alcohol and no smoking! Cut down of coffee and perhaps many more things. You decide to have a child, this is what you should be signing up to. In my _iew, it is just selfish. But then, I cringe at the way many parents try and be their kids best friend as well.. I think I am from another time, must go for a lie down...
Going out in car COULD endanger a life, so COULD crossing a road, so COULD a trip to park,
So could a lot of things in life does that mean your not gonna do it???"I'm not saying smoking will or will not harm baby I'm sayin it COULD but not always | |||
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"Point is, as has been missed by the stupid amongst us! Why would you do ANYTHING that would possibly endanger the life of your unborn child? No drugs, no alcohol and no smoking! Cut down of coffee and perhaps many more things. You decide to have a child, this is what you should be signing up to. In my _iew, it is just selfish. But then, I cringe at the way many parents try and be their kids best friend as well.. I think I am from another time, must go for a lie down...
Going out in car COULD endanger a life, so COULD crossing a road, so COULD a trip to park,
So could a lot of things in life does that mean your not gonna do it???"But that's not a valid argument as you cannot control or protect yourself against a 'force majeure' (for want of a better word). No one would do anything regardless if they pregnant or not. Where as if you choose to smoke / drink / take drugs when you're pregnant you do the knowingly that it COULD well effect your baby. At the end of the day you have a choice how to act whilst your pregnant the baby doesn't. | |||
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"Point is, as has been missed by the stupid amongst us! Why would you do ANYTHING that would possibly endanger the life of your unborn child? No drugs, no alcohol and no smoking! Cut down of coffee and perhaps many more things. You decide to have a child, this is what you should be signing up to. In my _iew, it is just selfish. But then, I cringe at the way many parents try and be their kids best friend as well.. I think I am from another time, must go for a lie down...
Going out in car COULD endanger a life, so COULD crossing a road, so COULD a trip to park,
So could a lot of things in life does that mean your not gonna do it???"and I am sure you will minimise any risk in the examples.... wearing a seat belt, adhering to the speed limit, not wearing a blindfold.......... | |||
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"How about taking drugs while pregnant, drinking, prescribed meds, some foods, unprotected sex with strangers? These all happen on a regular basis so why do people feel the need to bash smokers all the time??? How about people who just pop out loads of kids with different partners? How about those who pop them out regardless of the fact they can't suitably care for them? Those who have kids even though they are aware that they could possible give birth to physically or mentally ill babies, but do it anyway?? We should be bashing those too, not just smokers. My mum smoked while carrying both myself and my brother and sister (60's & 70's) there is nothing wrong with any of us. All relatively fit and healthy all our lives, except the usual childhood illnesses. All average/ above average intelligence!! " All the things you mentioned are fucking terrible things to do. Bash them all equally as well. You are seemingly an apologist for smokers who choose to smoke during pregnancy judging by your posts in this thread and I find that sickening. | |||
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"Point is, as has been missed by the stupid amongst us! Why would you do ANYTHING that would possibly endanger the life of your unborn child? No drugs, no alcohol and no smoking! Cut down of coffee and perhaps many more things. You decide to have a child, this is what you should be signing up to. In my _iew, it is just selfish. But then, I cringe at the way many parents try and be their kids best friend as well.. I think I am from another time, must go for a lie down...
Going out in car COULD endanger a life, so COULD crossing a road, so COULD a trip to park,
So could a lot of things in life does that mean your not gonna do it???
I'm not saying smoking will or will not harm baby I'm sayin it COULD but not always "Yes, hence why you drive as safely as possible, you look both ways before you cross the road. The idea is limiting these external factors by being as safe as possible in every possible facet of your life whilst carrying a child in your womb. | |||
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"Point is, as has been missed by the stupid amongst us! Why would you do ANYTHING that would possibly endanger the life of your unborn child? No drugs, no alcohol and no smoking! Cut down of coffee and perhaps many more things. You decide to have a child, this is what you should be signing up to. In my _iew, it is just selfish. But then, I cringe at the way many parents try and be their kids best friend as well.. I think I am from another time, must go for a lie down...
Going out in car COULD endanger a life, so COULD crossing a road, so COULD a trip to park,
So could a lot of things in life does that mean your not gonna do it???
and I am sure you will minimise any risk in the examples.... wearing a seat belt, adhering to the speed limit, not wearing a blindfold.........."and popping the child in a safety seat, not letting her/him lean out the window and hopefully not getting a lung full of your smoke, if you are driving and smoking at the same time.... perish the thought you would be so selfish | |||
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"Why would you bash someone who has a physically or mentally ill baby?
If you were told by a doctor that you had the possibility of having a baby that would be physically disabled or have a life limiting condition, for arguments sake, the same percentage as smoking while pregnant could harm your baby, would you go ahead and have a child??
Yes I would.
Well that makes you as bad as any woman who smokes while pregnant!
So I'm pregnant and find out my child isn't 100% normal but don't terminate it or have an abortion and I'm as bad as a mother who smokes?
Coming from someone who thought asking if someone was autistic was offensive, I find you laughable and just a bit stupid.
Pmsl, stupid? Who can't read?
I clearly said IF YOU KNEW BEFORE YOU BECAME PREGNANT!!!
And yes after seeing someone write a few lines in a post you stupidly and offensively questioned if he was autistic!!! Anyone who questions a certain type of reply must be autistic??? Cleaver!
Someone who makes a spelling mistake or two must be dyslexic??
Someone who's grammar isn't correct must be stupid??
But then I don't spend ALL of my time on this site and in the forums, so what would I know. I bow to the almighty perfect people with no life!! "How rude !!!!!! | |||
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"In my personal opinion there is far to many do and don'ts while pregnant.. 1 of the most stupid 1s that was in papers a few years ago was dnt get in a new car because the stuff they use to clean it is bad for unborn baby, don't dye your hair while pregnant, don't eat this that and other, don't drink any alcohol ( but yet years ago it was good to drink half pint of guiness a day because of the iron in it), none of this was around when our grandparents where born but our parentire survived to have us.... same as all the advice on what to let kids eat n not eat n what they shold n shouldnt do.... didn't hurt us as kids eating mud pies n falling out trees n eating with dirty hands ect xx This!! I'm not getting into the argument of what's the right thing to do, all I know is this my mother smoked through four pregnancies: she lost her first one at the 6 month mark, my elder brother and sister both have learning difficulties (quite serverly) and I myself is 'normal' (maybe a little off the wall at times!), was this due to her smoking? Who knows, all I know is up until very recently I had never smoked in my life and I have given birth to three wonderful boys but again two of them are disabled (when I say disabled for my brother, sister and my kids I mean they have asd) yet I did not smoke. So there isn't any actual proof that smoking harms your baby... Docs like to blame everything on smoking... you are proof that a baby can be born with illness or disability with out you smoking xx" Now back to planet earth where we make moral distinctions based on intentions. Smoking is optional and the person doing it doesn't give a shit if it harms the baby or not, they have the intention to harm in exchange for their own pleasure. Having a genetic risk is not an intention. | |||
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"While I agree that smoking whilst pregnant is not a very good practice it amazes me how hypocritical people can a lot of people get upset when pregnant moms smoke but those same people don't have a problem with abortions..that I can't understand" 
I'm not sure it's hypocritical at all.
If you make a choice to bring a child into the world then you should ensure that it has the best start in life.
If you choose to have an abortion then it's a completely different choice altogether.
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"In my personal opinion there is far to many do and don'ts while pregnant.. 1 of the most stupid 1s that was in papers a few years ago was dnt get in a new car because the stuff they use to clean it is bad for unborn baby, don't dye your hair while pregnant, don't eat this that and other, don't drink any alcohol ( but yet years ago it was good to drink half pint of guiness a day because of the iron in it), none of this was around when our grandparents where born but our parentire survived to have us.... same as all the advice on what to let kids eat n not eat n what they shold n shouldnt do.... didn't hurt us as kids eating mud pies n falling out trees n eating with dirty hands ect xx" Theres a reason guidelines change. Its called research. If you think you know better than the experts though.... We used to believe asbestos was perfectly safe. Guess what research did there? Know better, do better. Oh, and my opinion on the OP for what it's worth? Mothers who smoke whilst pregnant are the most selfish human beings alive. They won't give up and go through withdrawals themselves but their tiny baby once born, even if it's lucky enough to have had no health impact - has to suffer withdrawals from something it's own mother inflicted on it. Shame on any mother who smokes whilst pregnant - there is NO excuse just pure selfishness. *Her* | |||
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"How about taking drugs while pregnant, drinking, prescribed meds, some foods, unprotected sex with strangers? These all happen on a regular basis so why do people feel the need to bash smokers all the time??? How about people who just pop out loads of kids with different partners? How about those who pop them out regardless of the fact they can't suitably care for them? Those who have kids even though they are aware that they could possible give birth to physically or mentally ill babies, but do it anyway?? We should be bashing those too, not just smokers. My mum smoked while carrying both myself and my brother and sister (60's & 70's) there is nothing wrong with any of us. All relatively fit and healthy all our lives, except the usual childhood illnesses. All average/ above average intelligence!! All the things you mentioned are fucking terrible things to do. Bash them all equally as well. You are seemingly an apologist for smokers who choose to smoke during pregnancy judging by your posts in this thread and I find that sickening. " No not at all. I don't apologise for anyone!!! Only myself and as I have nothing to apologise for...... What's sickening is people feeling they have the right to judge, condemn and belittle anyone else for making a choice, an educated choice! We all know the dangers of everything we do yet we have the freedom to choose wether we do it or not. As long as it doesn't directly affect you, what business is it of yours?? Or any of ours?? | |||
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"Why would you bash someone who has a physically or mentally ill baby?
If you were told by a doctor that you had the possibility of having a baby that would be physically disabled or have a life limiting condition, for arguments sake, the same percentage as smoking while pregnant could harm your baby, would you go ahead and have a child??
Yes I would.
Well that makes you as bad as any woman who smokes while pregnant!
It really doesn't... smoking will definitely cause harm and its an action you can choose not to take.
Whether your baby is born with a condition is down to gebtics statistics and chance and theres often nothing you can do to negate or reduce the risk...
Smoking doesn't definitely cause harm!! If you'd read my post earlier then you would know this. I have two other siblings and my mother smoked while pregnant with us all, 40 per day! With no side affects. If it was a fact that it will definitely cause harm by way of heart defects, asthma ect then everyone born to smoking parents in the 40's 50's 60's and 70's would all be dead by now because of this. Also if you'd read what I had actually said, so I will repeat it... If you were told prior to pregnancy that because of a genetic condition, your child would be badly disabled or have a life limiting condition, would you still conceive a child? So what difference is there? A. Choose to smoke while pregnant thus harming your unborn child and giving birth to a sick child or B choosing to give birth to a child that will be poorly because you have a known genetic condition that will cause this?
Not once did I say that giving birth to a child with a chronic/life limiting condition was wrong if you had no prior knowledge that it could happen."It really amazes me how people can be so dumb | |||
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"How about taking drugs while pregnant, drinking, prescribed meds, some foods, unprotected sex with strangers? These all happen on a regular basis so why do people feel the need to bash smokers all the time??? How about people who just pop out loads of kids with different partners? How about those who pop them out regardless of the fact they can't suitably care for them? Those who have kids even though they are aware that they could possible give birth to physically or mentally ill babies, but do it anyway?? We should be bashing those too, not just smokers. My mum smoked while carrying both myself and my brother and sister (60's & 70's) there is nothing wrong with any of us. All relatively fit and healthy all our lives, except the usual childhood illnesses. All average/ above average intelligence!! All the things you mentioned are fucking terrible things to do. Bash them all equally as well. You are seemingly an apologist for smokers who choose to smoke during pregnancy judging by your posts in this thread and I find that sickening. No not at all. I don't apologise for anyone!!! Only myself and as I have nothing to apologise for...... What's sickening is people feeling they have the right to judge, condemn and belittle anyone else for making a choice, an educated choice! We all know the dangers of everything we do yet we have the freedom to choose wether we do it or not. As long as it doesn't directly affect you, what business is it of yours?? Or any of ours?? " An educated choice. I wonder if you hear the words as you type them. | |||
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"Smoking drinking , big families and brand new Vauxhall zafiras are all symptoms of people living on benefits . Most that work can't afford to smoke , drink excessively or buy Vauxhall Zafiras That's what I have noticed , " So, I smoke, my husband has a drink when he wants, we drive a Vauxhall Zafira. I work 38 hours a week and husband does in excess of 40 hours a week ... I smoked whilst pregnant with our daughter something I am not proud of, I was also had geststional diabeties and at high risk of miscarriage. My consultants/doctors all advised stopping completely would put me at even higher risk of losing my baby, cutting down would be better so I did. My daughter is a happy healthy soon to be 4 year old. I got pregnant again in April this year, same risk factors and same difficult pregnancy, unfortunately my second little girl wasn't to be. I did everything I was supposed to but went into labour almost 6 weeks ago at 22 weeks gestation and baby was born sleeping. It's not for anyone to judge the actions of others on sight alone - everyone does it, but perhaps the world would be a nicer place if we didn't. | |||
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"Smoking drinking , big families and brand new Vauxhall zafiras are all symptoms of people living on benefits . Most that work can't afford to smoke , drink excessively or buy Vauxhall Zafiras That's what I have noticed , So, I smoke, my husband has a drink when he wants, we drive a Vauxhall Zafira. I work 38 hours a week and husband does in excess of 40 hours a week ... I smoked whilst pregnant with our daughter something I am not proud of, I was also had geststional diabeties and at high risk of miscarriage. My consultants/doctors all advised stopping completely would put me at even higher risk of losing my baby, cutting down would be better so I did. My daughter is a happy healthy soon to be 4 year old. I got pregnant again in April this year, same risk factors and same difficult pregnancy, unfortunately my second little girl wasn't to be. I did everything I was supposed to but went into labour almost 6 weeks ago at 22 weeks gestation and baby was born sleeping. It's not for anyone to judge the actions of others on sight alone - everyone does it, but perhaps the world would be a nicer place if we didn't. " Sorry about your baby...but it's a judgemental world we live in and this is a discussion board for people with opposite _iews | |||
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"How about taking drugs while pregnant, drinking, prescribed meds, some foods, unprotected sex with strangers? These all happen on a regular basis so why do people feel the need to bash smokers all the time??? How about people who just pop out loads of kids with different partners? How about those who pop them out regardless of the fact they can't suitably care for them? Those who have kids even though they are aware that they could possible give birth to physically or mentally ill babies, but do it anyway?? We should be bashing those too, not just smokers. My mum smoked while carrying both myself and my brother and sister (60's & 70's) there is nothing wrong with any of us. All relatively fit and healthy all our lives, except the usual childhood illnesses. All average/ above average intelligence!! All the things you mentioned are fucking terrible things to do. Bash them all equally as well. You are seemingly an apologist for smokers who choose to smoke during pregnancy judging by your posts in this thread and I find that sickening. No not at all. I don't apologise for anyone!!! Only myself and as I have nothing to apologise for...... What's sickening is people feeling they have the right to judge, condemn and belittle anyone else for making a choice, an educated choice! We all know the dangers of everything we do yet we have the freedom to choose wether we do it or not. As long as it doesn't directly affect you, what business is it of yours?? Or any of ours?? An educated choice. I wonder if you hear the words as you type them. " ?? Not quiet sure what you think your getting at?? Of course it's an educated choice. Everyone knows the possible dangers of every choice we make. It's in the press, tv, radio. We can't avoid it. So if you still choose to take part then you are responsible for the outcome! You know the possible dangers of everything you choose to do, you judge the risk, then you decide wether to do it or not! It's called making an educated choice/decision | |||
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"I hate seeing pregnant ladies smoking. "Same, I can't stand pregnant mothers smoking I think it's so wrong and that baby has no say. Don't see why expectant mothers smoke the unborn child should be your priority not yourself!! Also hate seeing pregnant women outside pubs pint in one hand fag in the other totally disgusting. Sorry to rant but I totally disagree this is one thing that really gets me!! | |||
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