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"Why are people happy rebels fighting ISIS are being bombed? Reading the comments on daily mail, they are busy praising Putin for being amazing, but the fact is Putin is not bombing or attacking ISIS, just like one bomb out of twenty, to cover his back. It's like he wants ISIS to grow stronger by having no one to fight them by killing the anti assad rebels, which I know Putin would have a grin on his face to see European getting attacked. It worries me people have forgotten Russia happily killed civilians on a commercial plane. Why is Putin only bombing the anti assad rebel and leaving ISIS to grow stronger, something isn't right. I know I am going to get attacked but 9/10 member on here becuase it seems everyone has become pro putin, " Ask those that read the Daily Mail perhaps? and that's a massive over estimation that 9/10 members on here are pro Putin.. | |||
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"Why are people happy rebels fighting ISIS are being bombed? Reading the comments on daily mail, they are busy praising Putin for being amazing, but the fact is Putin is not bombing or attacking ISIS, just like one bomb out of twenty, to cover his back. It's like he wants ISIS to grow stronger by having no one to fight them by killing the anti assad rebels, which I know Putin would have a grin on his face to see European getting attacked. It worries me people have forgotten Russia happily killed civilians on a commercial plane. Why is Putin only bombing the anti assad rebel and leaving ISIS to grow stronger, something isn't right. I know I am going to get attacked but 9/10 member on here becuase it seems everyone has become pro putin, " Putin is supporting the government troops in their push, his primary concern is making sure the government stays in power not ending isis. So first he'll support the government in the areas that they need to make ground which currently are held by any number of rebel groups. He can ignore isis for now as about 20 other countries are bombing them, once the government has restablished control over most of the country they can then push on the isis areas. | |||
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"The whole place is a mess. We initially fund these nice ISIS people who want to over throw the horrible Assad guy because he doesn't seem to like us or do what we want. The ISIS people don't seem to be quite as nice as we thought and actually rather nasty but now they have our weapons. So what we need is a third group who don't like either Assad or ISIS and we will support them. What next? " You mean the FSA? | |||
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"I thought that the rebels were fighting Assad, not Isis?" All three are fighting each other but "the rebels " aren't "the rebels" they're a mixture of lots of groups including Al queda and they're all fighting each other too. If the rebels win the civil war will not be over it will now just be between the different real groups. | |||
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"shorly we have to blame george bush jr and tony blair for all this mess in the middle east" That implies there wasn't a big mess over there already | |||
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"I said the same thing to my friend. Not that I'd ever wish a horrific death on anyone but if ISIS killed and tortured a couple of Russian pilots and put it in a video maybe Russia would concentrate on destroying ISIS. " But that's what we're doing. Russia is working with government troops to follow up bombings with ground attacks. We're (trying) to follow up our bombings with the FSA on the ground but it's almost impossible with them. The government troops can't attack the areas were bombing as we'd bomb them too, so to Russia it's just a waste of bombs. As we've found out just bombing with no follow up achieves nothing | |||
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"shorly we have to blame george bush jr and tony blair for all this mess in the middle east" why stop there, the crusades were a mess also.. | |||
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"and that's a massive over estimation that 9/10 members on here are pro Putin.." I agree | |||
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"Why are people happy rebels fighting ISIS are being bombed? Reading the comments on daily mail, they are busy praising Putin for being amazing, but the fact is Putin is not bombing or attacking ISIS, just like one bomb out of twenty, to cover his back. It's like he wants ISIS to grow stronger by having no one to fight them by killing the anti assad rebels, which I know Putin would have a grin on his face to see European getting attacked. It worries me people have forgotten Russia happily killed civilians on a commercial plane. Why is Putin only bombing the anti assad rebel and leaving ISIS to grow stronger, something isn't right. I know I am going to get attacked but 9/10 member on here becuase it seems everyone has become pro putin, " The whole Syria / Iraq / Libya / ISIS thing a total mess. Allies one day become enemies the next and news that does come out is released by one or other of the opposing factions. The Middle East itself is split in as much as some countries support the Sunni (ISIS) fight whereas others like Iran support the continuation of Assad. One thing is irrevocably obvious and not reliant on news is that Iraq and Libya have become much worse since their Dictators were removed by the West. It does not take much imagination to know what might happen if Assad is toppled. The Russians got that, the West does not get it. Syria was a great country under Assad and this uprising was small and localised event that has now become the focal point of the world for mercenaries and thugs fighting in the name of relion, or freedom, or both. Look on You Tube for the statement Putin gave in response to a question from a US journalist about the origins of ISIS. He absolutely nailed it and I am far, far, far from an apologist for Putin. | |||
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"Daily Mail readers are ignorant bigots" Said like a truly open minded person!! | |||
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"To be fair... they're all full of shit.
The Daily Fail is probably just the worst of a bad bunch. "I don't know, I think the Sun, Mirror and Star would be pretty high in the running in that competition. | |||
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"Why are people happy rebels fighting ISIS are being bombed? Reading the comments on daily mail, they are busy praising Putin for being amazing, but the fact is Putin is not bombing or attacking ISIS, just like one bomb out of twenty, to cover his back. It's like he wants ISIS to grow stronger by having no one to fight them by killing the anti assad rebels, which I know Putin would have a grin on his face to see European getting attacked. It worries me people have forgotten Russia happily killed civilians on a commercial plane. Why is Putin only bombing the anti assad rebel and leaving ISIS to grow stronger, something isn't right. I know I am going to get attacked but 9/10 member on here becuase it seems everyone has become pro putin, " Even if 1 bomb out of 20 is dropped on Isis by Russia that has to be a good thing. Isis won't just forget about that and will now see Russia as an enemy. Maybe Putin is putting more bombs onto the other rebels against Assad, because the Americans and other allies are concentrating 100% of their bombing raids on Isis, so Putin is putting his bombs elsewhere to help Assad. Putin does'nt need to attack Isis in Syria, the USA/coalition is doing it for him. | |||
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"Pro Putin, pro Obama, pro Isis... Take your pick, they're all equally right and wrong. " I think I'd have to disagree there. To even compare ISIS with either Putin or Obama in terms of being right or wrong suggest a clear failure to understand just exactly what ISIS is. | |||
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"Why are people happy rebels fighting ISIS are being bombed? Reading the comments on daily mail, they are busy praising Putin for being amazing, but the fact is Putin is not bombing or attacking ISIS, just like one bomb out of twenty, to cover his back. It's like he wants ISIS to grow stronger by having no one to fight them by killing the anti assad rebels, which I know Putin would have a grin on his face to see European getting attacked. It worries me people have forgotten Russia happily killed civilians on a commercial plane. Why is Putin only bombing the anti assad rebel and leaving ISIS to grow stronger, something isn't right. I know I am going to get attacked but 9/10 member on here becuase it seems everyone has become pro putin, The whole Syria / Iraq / Libya / ISIS thing a total mess. Allies one day become enemies the next and news that does come out is released by one or other of the opposing factions. The Middle East itself is split in as much as some countries support the Sunni (ISIS) fight whereas others like Iran support the continuation of Assad. One thing is irrevocably obvious and not reliant on news is that Iraq and Libya have become much worse since their Dictators were removed by the West. It does not take much imagination to know what might happen if Assad is toppled. The Russians got that, the West does not get it. Syria was a great country under Assad and this uprising was small and localised event that has now become the focal point of the world for mercenaries and thugs fighting in the name of relion, or freedom, or both. Look on You Tube for the statement Putin gave in response to a question from a US journalist about the origins of ISIS. He absolutely nailed it and I am far, far, far from an apologist for Putin." Good post. We all know Assad is a brutal butcher of a dictator, but if he is toppled i think the alternative would be far, far worse. | |||
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"Pro Putin, pro Obama, pro Isis... Take your pick, they're all equally right and wrong. I think I'd have to disagree there. To even compare ISIS with either Putin or Obama in terms of being right or wrong suggest a clear failure to understand just exactly what ISIS is." Really? You don't see the issue with globalisation on western terms, with chaos brought to states that don't comply? I understand exactly what ISIS is. I just don't feel we should be tricked into having a one sided view of the world. NATO bombed a hospital in Afghanistan last week. Why has that suddenly disappeared from the headlines? | |||
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"Why are people happy rebels fighting ISIS are being bombed? Reading the comments on daily mail, they are busy praising Putin for being amazing, but the fact is Putin is not bombing or attacking ISIS, just like one bomb out of twenty, to cover his back. It's like he wants ISIS to grow stronger by having no one to fight them by killing the anti assad rebels, which I know Putin would have a grin on his face to see European getting attacked. It worries me people have forgotten Russia happily killed civilians on a commercial plane. Why is Putin only bombing the anti assad rebel and leaving ISIS to grow stronger, something isn't right. I know I am going to get attacked but 9/10 member on here becuase it seems everyone has become pro putin, The whole Syria / Iraq / Libya / ISIS thing a total mess. Allies one day become enemies the next and news that does come out is released by one or other of the opposing factions. The Middle East itself is split in as much as some countries support the Sunni (ISIS) fight whereas others like Iran support the continuation of Assad. One thing is irrevocably obvious and not reliant on news is that Iraq and Libya have become much worse since their Dictators were removed by the West. It does not take much imagination to know what might happen if Assad is toppled. The Russians got that, the West does not get it. Syria was a great country under Assad and this uprising was small and localised event that has now become the focal point of the world for mercenaries and thugs fighting in the name of relion, or freedom, or both. Look on You Tube for the statement Putin gave in response to a question from a US journalist about the origins of ISIS. He absolutely nailed it and I am far, far, far from an apologist for Putin. Good post. We all know Assad is a brutal butcher of a dictator, but if he is toppled i think the alternative would be far, far worse. "Sadly I have to agree. I'd choose Assad over ISIS every time. Still don't trust the Russians but we (the West) have had 4 to 5 years to try and sort this and we only seem to have made it worse. | |||
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"shorly we have to blame george bush jr and tony blair for all this mess in the middle east" Yes very true but pointless we have to deal with the problem today,the passed has happened we have to deal with the future | |||
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"Pro Putin, pro Obama, pro Isis... Take your pick, they're all equally right and wrong. I think I'd have to disagree there. To even compare ISIS with either Putin or Obama in terms of being right or wrong suggest a clear failure to understand just exactly what ISIS is. Really? You don't see the issue with globalisation on western terms, with chaos brought to states that don't comply? I understand exactly what ISIS is. I just don't feel we should be tricked into having a one sided view of the world. NATO bombed a hospital in Afghanistan last week. Why has that suddenly disappeared from the headlines? " I don't have a one sided view of the world but if your view of the world is that the US and Russia are no different than ISIS then I definitely don't view the world as you do. | |||
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"shorly we have to blame george bush jr and tony blair for all this mess in the middle east Yes very true but pointless we have to deal with the problem today,the passed has happened we have to deal with the future" While we're blaming George and Tony do you not think that we might also blame Assad for a total over reaction to a few people demonstrating for a little more democracy, or Iran for constantly trying to undermine all Sunni Muslim states in the Middle East, or Russia for encouraging Assad to take a strong stance against democratic protestors 5 years ago because it was worried it would loose influence in the area, or Israel for backing any group in any middle east muslim state that it things will cause trouble, or Al-Qaeda for attacking the US leading directly to the more interventionist strategy taken by the US and the West since. Or is it just George and Tony who should take all the blame? | |||
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YW "I'm no fan of the Daily Mail but how do all you people who say it's so awful know it's so awful it you don't actually read it? | |||
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"Stop reading the Daily Mail!
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I'm no fan of the Daily Mail but how do all you people who say it's so awful know it's so awful it you don't actually read it?"Maybe they've been reading the Guardian too much, considering some of the loony lefty crap the Guardian prints i would'nt be surprised. | |||
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I'm no fan of the Daily Mail but how do all you people who say it's so awful know it's so awful it you don't actually read it?
Maybe they've been reading the Guardian too much, considering some of the loony lefty crap the Guardian prints i would'nt be surprised. "Steady there, that's my daily read!!  | |||
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I'm no fan of the Daily Mail but how do all you people who say it's so awful know it's so awful it you don't actually read it?
Maybe they've been reading the Guardian too much, considering some of the loony lefty crap the Guardian prints i would'nt be surprised.
Steady there, that's my daily read!! "I sometimes read it for the comedy value. | |||
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"Stop reading the Daily Mail!
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I'm no fan of the Daily Mail but how do all you people who say it's so awful know it's so awful it you don't actually read it?
Maybe they've been reading the Guardian too much, considering some of the loony lefty crap the Guardian prints i would'nt be surprised.
Steady there, that's my daily read!! "Do you play spot the spelling mistakes? :p | |||
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"Stop reading the Daily Mail!
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I'm no fan of the Daily Mail but how do all you people who say it's so awful know it's so awful it you don't actually read it?
Maybe they've been reading the Guardian too much, considering some of the loony lefty crap the Guardian prints i would'nt be surprised.
Steady there, that's my daily read!!
I sometimes read it for the comedy value. "Comedy!! You serious? Even the Daily Mail is better on comedy than the Guardian FFS. | |||
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"Stop reading the Daily Mail!
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I'm no fan of the Daily Mail but how do all you people who say it's so awful know it's so awful it you don't actually read it?
Maybe they've been reading the Guardian too much, considering some of the loony lefty crap the Guardian prints i would'nt be surprised.
Steady there, that's my daily read!!
Do you play spot the spelling mistakes? :p"It's not as bad as it used to be but I'm a pretty shit speller myself so probably don't even notice many of them. | |||
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"Why are people happy rebels fighting ISIS are being bombed? Reading the comments on daily mail, they are busy praising Putin for being amazing, but the fact is Putin is not bombing or attacking ISIS, just like one bomb out of twenty, to cover his back. It's like he wants ISIS to grow stronger by having no one to fight them by killing the anti assad rebels, which I know Putin would have a grin on his face to see European getting attacked. It worries me people have forgotten Russia happily killed civilians on a commercial plane. Why is Putin only bombing the anti assad rebel and leaving ISIS to grow stronger, something isn't right. I know I am going to get attacked but 9/10 member on here becuase it seems everyone has become pro putin, " Syria are Allies with Russia so the rebels to them are also terrorists like Isis so both will be taken out by the Russians, England will fuck up Syria & leave it in a terrible state like we did in Iraq & Russia can't allow that. Both England & Russia are doing it for their own reasons & neither care how many casualties there will be. | |||
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"Daily Express today reporting the virtual collapse of ISIS command and control and large areas of Syria being abandoned by them. One year of US airstrikes = ZERO result Two weeks of Russian airstrikes and the Daesh are in retreat." That is the daily express though :p One big advantage Russia has here is it has a proper fuctioning army on the ground it can communicate with. It can say right we'll bomb these positions to soften them up then you push in and clear them out. Mean while the "west" if we go to the FSA/rebel group in the area we'll bomb these potions then you push in they'll just tell Isis and there will be no one there. | |||
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"The west has been surgically hitting targets,with so much red tape involved in doing it as well. Putin comes along and does what Russia does best, come down hard with an iron fist. Doesn't matter who he is hitting, they are getting results. "Surgically? Are you kidding the west shelled the shot out of a hospital with a c130 gun ship that they even had the GPS coordinates for for months saying it was a hospital. We've been dropping dumb bombs from bloody B1b lancers too. | |||
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"Pro Putin, pro Obama, pro Isis... Take your pick, they're all equally right and wrong. I think I'd have to disagree there. To even compare ISIS with either Putin or Obama in terms of being right or wrong suggest a clear failure to understand just exactly what ISIS is. Really? You don't see the issue with globalisation on western terms, with chaos brought to states that don't comply? I understand exactly what ISIS is. I just don't feel we should be tricked into having a one sided view of the world. NATO bombed a hospital in Afghanistan last week. Why has that suddenly disappeared from the headlines? " | |||
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"The west has been surgically hitting targets,with so much red tape involved in doing it as well. Putin comes along and does what Russia does best, come down hard with an iron fist. Doesn't matter who he is hitting, they are getting results.
Surgically? Are you kidding the west shelled the shot out of a hospital with a c130 gun ship that they even had the GPS coordinates for for months saying it was a hospital.
We've been dropping dumb bombs from bloody B1b lancers too."this.. and the MSF people were trying to tell the Afghans/US people to stop it for over an hour and were blanked.. | |||
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"People are confused and haven't a clue what is going on, and that's the way the leaders like it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOY4Ka-GBus" There is a difference between political satire and investigative journalism you know. | |||
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"Daily Express today reporting the virtual collapse of ISIS command and control and large areas of Syria being abandoned by them. One year of US airstrikes = ZERO result Two weeks of Russian airstrikes and the Daesh are in retreat." Pleeeaase  spare me quoting the Daily Express about a four way civil war that masks a proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran that has super power interests behind the scenes. Assad has killed more Syrians than anyone else. Assad had the option at the start to open a peaceful dialogue and he choose miltary might and repression. Russia will make a bad situation a lot worse.  | |||
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"Daily Express today reporting the virtual collapse of ISIS command and control and large areas of Syria being abandoned by them. One year of US airstrikes = ZERO result Two weeks of Russian airstrikes and the Daesh are in retreat. Pleeeaase spare me quoting the Daily Express about a four way civil war that masks a proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran that has super power interests behind the scenes. Assad has killed more Syrians than anyone else. Assad had the option at the start to open a peaceful dialogue and he choose miltary might and repression. Russia will make a bad situation a lot worse. "Are you saying you are not happy about isis being wiped out in Syria then? | |||
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"Is that even a serious question ? I realise the Trump doctrine of making up foreign policy on the fly is attractive to some. The reason millions of Syrians fled to Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan is due to the brutality of the war. The war Assad started and now the war Putin will escalate. Not everyone is a Putin fanboy "You say the war which Putin will escalate, but maybe Russia's intervention will shorten the war in the grand scheme of things. If Syria can be made peaceful again all those Syrian's who fled to Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan can go back to their homes. | |||
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"Is that even a serious question ? I realise the Trump doctrine of making up foreign policy on the fly is attractive to some. The reason millions of Syrians fled to Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan is due to the brutality of the war. The war Assad started and now the war Putin will escalate. Not everyone is a Putin fanboy
You say the war which Putin will escalate, but maybe Russia's intervention will shorten the war in the grand scheme of things. If Syria can be made peaceful again all those Syrian's who fled to Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan can go back to their homes. "I sort of hope you're right but, although I definitely prefer the Russians to ISIS I still don't trust the Russians. If the Russians want to be they are a far more serious threat to Europe and it's freedoms than ANY other possible enemy, they always have been and probably always will be. | |||
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"Is that even a serious question ? I realise the Trump doctrine of making up foreign policy on the fly is attractive to some. The reason millions of Syrians fled to Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan is due to the brutality of the war. The war Assad started and now the war Putin will escalate. Not everyone is a Putin fanboy
You say the war which Putin will escalate, but maybe Russia's intervention will shorten the war in the grand scheme of things. If Syria can be made peaceful again all those Syrian's who fled to Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan can go back to their homes.
I sort of hope you're right but, although I definitely prefer the Russians to ISIS I still don't trust the Russians. If the Russians want to be they are a far more serious threat to Europe and it's freedoms than ANY other possible enemy, they always have been and probably always will be."Anti Russian propaganda is a bit like the war on drugs. When you have had a particular message rammed down your throat for so long, it becomes difficult to imagine a different scenario. Russia is absolutely our ally in this particular battle and the dithering Western politicians are a joke. Like it or not, Putin looks after his people. | |||
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"People are confused and haven't a clue what is going on, and that's the way the leaders like it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOY4Ka-GBus There is a difference between political satire and investigative journalism you know." Is there? | |||
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