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"they don't, their training in dealing with people with mental health issue's is piss poor.." Except where DJ is they have been receiving training on race and mental health after some of the really shocking cases of the last few years. | |||
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"...when I witnessed the cops arresting a guy with mental health who lives a couple of doors down. Three cop cars, a riot van and a paramedic car for ONE loon. I mean the guy was clearly in crisis - he was ranting and raving and the air turned blue and he was certainly giving the local curtain-twitchers sommat to talk about... But the bit that got me is that it took the police 2&half HOURS to arrest this guy and cart him off. It was almost like they didn't know what to do. " avon and somerset constabulary not knowing what their doing??!!!? i find it hard to believe | |||
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"they don't, their training in dealing with people with mental health issue's is piss poor.. Except where DJ is they have been receiving training on race and mental health after some of the really shocking cases of the last few years. " long overdue, attended several incidents and the attempted actions of the met were in a lot of cases only likely to escalate with the potential for harm to the individual and other agencies.. | |||
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"I trust the Police have assigned an Appropriate Adult before processing the individual further " This is what my mum does. I have no idea where the arrested guy went, what he was charged with or whether detained under the Mental Health Act. No idea. | |||
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"Is it not better to talk to someone for that period of time rather than steam in and flatten him? Did you know the whole picture. One chap used to stand around with a knife held to his neck with the gas on used to take the Po Po ages to get him away from the address. Police are always the last port of call so it's no surprise the mental health training is poor. The impoverished mental health services should be the ones who deal with cases like that. Easy to pick fault though I suppose. " No - certainly - I do not know the full picture. I was however a caseworker in London dealing with drugs, alcohol & mental health. I know something about this shit, have assisted police on Sectionings, and have spent extended periods of time working with MH sufferers. I know how this shit SHOULD work | |||
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"Are there any cops on here? It would be interesting to hear how mental health issues are perceived from within the police service." I know how they are perceived under one police force and to be honest its pretty shit I have a friend whose quite a high rank and he says he learnt more from what he had to deal with from the days when he was custody sergeant then from what he's ever been trained | |||
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"Is it not better to talk to someone for that period of time rather than steam in and flatten him? Did you know the whole picture. One chap used to stand around with a knife held to his neck with the gas on used to take the Po Po ages to get him away from the address. Police are always the last port of call so it's no surprise the mental health training is poor. The impoverished mental health services should be the ones who deal with cases like that. Easy to pick fault though I suppose. No - certainly - I do not know the full picture. I was however a caseworker in London dealing with drugs, alcohol & mental health. I know something about this shit, have assisted police on Sectionings, and have spent extended periods of time working with MH sufferers. I know how this shit SHOULD work" Obviously only got your word on that. However in utopia it should work like you think. The poor Police have to be experts in everything. Come weekend when the mental health experts have a day off the Police don't and have to pick up the pieces. Mental health provision is woefully short. It's very sad. | |||
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"Is it not better to talk to someone for that period of time rather than steam in and flatten him? Did you know the whole picture. One chap used to stand around with a knife held to his neck with the gas on used to take the Po Po ages to get him away from the address. Police are always the last port of call so it's no surprise the mental health training is poor. The impoverished mental health services should be the ones who deal with cases like that. Easy to pick fault though I suppose. No - certainly - I do not know the full picture. I was however a caseworker in London dealing with drugs, alcohol & mental health. I know something about this shit, have assisted police on Sectionings, and have spent extended periods of time working with MH sufferers. I know how this shit SHOULD work Obviously only got your word on that. However in utopia it should work like you think. The poor Police have to be experts in everything. Come weekend when the mental health experts have a day off the Police don't and have to pick up the pieces. Mental health provision is woefully short. It's very sad. " Again, total agreement - the cops shouldn't dealing with this. Mental health provision has gone down the pan - hey everybody! remember you voted Conservative - and only the most 'serious' cases are taken on. Leaving a bigger bill for the tax payer in the long run where once problems could be dealt with before they became worse, now they are left to fester until the explode. BUT - it DOESN'T take seven cops 2& half hrs to arrest a man and decided whether to charge or section him. That's rubbish | |||
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"Is it not better to talk to someone for that period of time rather than steam in and flatten him? Did you know the whole picture. One chap used to stand around with a knife held to his neck with the gas on used to take the Po Po ages to get him away from the address. Police are always the last port of call so it's no surprise the mental health training is poor. The impoverished mental health services should be the ones who deal with cases like that. Easy to pick fault though I suppose. No - certainly - I do not know the full picture. I was however a caseworker in London dealing with drugs, alcohol & mental health. I know something about this shit, have assisted police on Sectionings, and have spent extended periods of time working with MH sufferers. I know how this shit SHOULD work" When you were a caseworker did you address your clients as "loons" too? | |||
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"Is it not better to talk to someone for that period of time rather than steam in and flatten him? Did you know the whole picture. One chap used to stand around with a knife held to his neck with the gas on used to take the Po Po ages to get him away from the address. Police are always the last port of call so it's no surprise the mental health training is poor. The impoverished mental health services should be the ones who deal with cases like that. Easy to pick fault though I suppose. No - certainly - I do not know the full picture. I was however a caseworker in London dealing with drugs, alcohol & mental health. I know something about this shit, have assisted police on Sectionings, and have spent extended periods of time working with MH sufferers. I know how this shit SHOULD work When you were a caseworker did you address your clients as "loons" too? " Sometimes - depends on who's listening and what the context is. To an extent mental health labels are misleading, imo | |||
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"Here's a scenario. An incident kicks off with a mental health patient, police are called, please array the person and take them to the station, they then try and get them the appropriate care, whether that's a specialised mental health worker coming to see them or transferring them to a mental health unit, only when they phone the unit there is no beds available, no specialist worker available. What do they do, the only thing they can do is keep them in the cell overnight until they are at some stage lucky enough to get them treated properly. It's not the polices fault its the lack of suitablemsesorces available to them" No completely But there was a local case of a MH guy who 'died' overnight in a police cell during just these circumstances. Ooops! | |||
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"Is it not better to talk to someone for that period of time rather than steam in and flatten him? Did you know the whole picture. One chap used to stand around with a knife held to his neck with the gas on used to take the Po Po ages to get him away from the address. Police are always the last port of call so it's no surprise the mental health training is poor. The impoverished mental health services should be the ones who deal with cases like that. Easy to pick fault though I suppose. No - certainly - I do not know the full picture. I was however a caseworker in London dealing with drugs, alcohol & mental health. I know something about this shit, have assisted police on Sectionings, and have spent extended periods of time working with MH sufferers. I know how this shit SHOULD work Obviously only got your word on that. However in utopia it should work like you think. The poor Police have to be experts in everything. Come weekend when the mental health experts have a day off the Police don't and have to pick up the pieces. Mental health provision is woefully short. It's very sad. Again, total agreement - the cops shouldn't dealing with this. Mental health provision has gone down the pan - hey everybody! remember you voted Conservative - and only the most 'serious' cases are taken on. Leaving a bigger bill for the tax payer in the long run where once problems could be dealt with before they became worse, now they are left to fester until the explode. BUT - it DOESN'T take seven cops 2& half hrs to arrest a man and decided whether to charge or section him. That's rubbish" Cool so how would you deal with a hypothetical situation with a potentially violent person in a house surrounded by gas and sharp things? I would choose softly softly and no one gets hurts every time. (With the resources available should it go wrong) That Police office who got stabbed in the neck and died executing a mental health warrant in London. I think she would have preferred the soft option. | |||
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"Here's a scenario. An incident kicks off with a mental health patient, police are called, please array the person and take them to the station, they then try and get them the appropriate care, whether that's a specialised mental health worker coming to see them or transferring them to a mental health unit, only when they phone the unit there is no beds available, no specialist worker available. What do they do, the only thing they can do is keep them in the cell overnight until they are at some stage lucky enough to get them treated properly. It's not the polices fault its the lack of suitablemsesorces available to them No completely But there was a local case of a MH guy who 'died' overnight in a police cell during just these circumstances. Ooops!" how did he die? | |||
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"Cool so how would you deal with a hypothetical situation with a potentially violent person in a house surrounded by gas and sharp things? I would choose softly softly and no one gets hurts every time. (With the resources available should it go wrong) That Police office who got stabbed in the neck and died executing a mental health warrant in London. I think she would have preferred the soft option. " I have dealt with people in crisis Alcoholic schizophrenics Psychotics Paranoid schizophrenics People in crack binges or smaked out of their skulls Done it | |||
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"Cool so how would you deal with a hypothetical situation with a potentially violent person in a house surrounded by gas and sharp things? I would choose softly softly and no one gets hurts every time. (With the resources available should it go wrong) That Police office who got stabbed in the neck and died executing a mental health warrant in London. I think she would have preferred the soft option. I have dealt with people in crisis Alcoholic schizophrenics Psychotics Paranoid schizophrenics People in crack binges or smaked out of their skulls Done it " It's never easy - but it shouldn't happen like this | |||
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"Cool so how would you deal with a hypothetical situation with a potentially violent person in a house surrounded by gas and sharp things? I would choose softly softly and no one gets hurts every time. (With the resources available should it go wrong) That Police office who got stabbed in the neck and died executing a mental health warrant in London. I think she would have preferred the soft option. I have dealt with people in crisis Alcoholic schizophrenics Psychotics Paranoid schizophrenics People in crack binges or smaked out of their skulls Done it " Deflection just like the links above. Bet if you did it. You took your time about it and 2 and a half hours is not that long. Everyone should go home after a shift so I see it as not a waste of resources and money but a result for all concerned. Fair play to them. Can't comment on custody as have no experience but I'm sure just as many die or more die in mental health facilities all round the country. | |||
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"Deflection just like the links above. Bet if you did it. You took your time about it and 2 and a half hours is not that long. Everyone should go home after a shift so I see it as not a waste of resources and money but a result for all concerned. Fair play to them. Can't comment on custody as have no experience but I'm sure just as many die or more die in mental health facilities all round the country. " You weren't there | |||
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"Deflection just like the links above. Bet if you did it. You took your time about it and 2 and a half hours is not that long. Everyone should go home after a shift so I see it as not a waste of resources and money but a result for all concerned. Fair play to them. Can't comment on custody as have no experience but I'm sure just as many die or more die in mental health facilities all round the country. You weren't there" Awesome. | |||
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"Here's a scenario. An incident kicks off with a mental health patient, police are called, please array the person and take them to the station, they then try and get them the appropriate care, whether that's a specialised mental health worker coming to see them or transferring them to a mental health unit, only when they phone the unit there is no beds available, no specialist worker available. What do they do, the only thing they can do is keep them in the cell overnight until they are at some stage lucky enough to get them treated properly. It's not the polices fault its the lack of suitablemsesorces available to them No completely But there was a local case of a MH guy who 'died' overnight in a police cell during just these circumstances. Ooops!how did he die?" He was restrained before being left naked in a police cell. James Herbert death: IPCC probe over inquest 'lies' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-29519401 IPPC files here https://www.ipcc.gov.uk/investigations/james-herbert-avon-and-somerset-police | |||
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"Deflection just like the links above. Bet if you did it. You took your time about it and 2 and a half hours is not that long. Everyone should go home after a shift so I see it as not a waste of resources and money but a result for all concerned. Fair play to them. Can't comment on custody as have no experience but I'm sure just as many die or more die in mental health facilities all round the country. You weren't there Awesome. " I'm sorry, but your opinion counts for nothing here. | |||
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"Also come to the conclusion that the OP is anti police!!" Because they're not very good. Locally. | |||
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"Although, just chatting to the woman next door, her niece attempted to film in on a phone and was told she'd have her phone confiscated by the cops as she 'was breaking the law'. Which is utter balls - there is NO LAW in the UK that prohibits you from filming or photographing in a public place" Also I don't think it's an offence to film a public citizen (police, fire, ambulance) in the course of their duty. As well as "just watching" not being an offence at all- you only become part of a crime (joint venture) if you actively "aid, abet, council or procure" | |||
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"Deflection just like the links above. Bet if you did it. You took your time about it and 2 and a half hours is not that long. Everyone should go home after a shift so I see it as not a waste of resources and money but a result for all concerned. Fair play to them. Can't comment on custody as have no experience but I'm sure just as many die or more die in mental health facilities all round the country. You weren't there Awesome. I'm sorry, but your opinion counts for nothing here. " Ahhhh don't be like that sulky. Still waiting for your solution? | |||
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"Although, just chatting to the woman next door, her niece attempted to film in on a phone and was told she'd have her phone confiscated by the cops as she 'was breaking the law'. Which is utter balls - there is NO LAW in the UK that prohibits you from filming or photographing in a public place No, it isn't an offence! Also I don't think it's an offence to film a public citizen (police, fire, ambulance) in the course of their duty. As well as "just watching" not being an offence at all- you only become part of a crime (joint venture) if you actively "aid, abet, council or procure"" | |||
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"Deflection just like the links above. Bet if you did it. You took your time about it and 2 and a half hours is not that long. Everyone should go home after a shift so I see it as not a waste of resources and money but a result for all concerned. Fair play to them. Can't comment on custody as have no experience but I'm sure just as many die or more die in mental health facilities all round the country. You weren't there Awesome. I'm sorry, but your opinion counts for nothing here. Ahhhh don't be like that sulky. Still waiting for your solution? " I direct the Honerable Lady to my previous statement on the matter "And anyway, if someone free to get annoyed about the cost of plastic bags, surely you'll permit me the space to air my concerns here? If you don;t like it, don't read and don;t post. Simple." Troll off. | |||
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"And anyway, if someone free to get annoyed about the cost of plastic bags, surely you'll permit me the space to air my concerns here? If you don;t like it, don't read and don;t post. Simple. " Is debate and alternative opinion not allowed on your threads? Sorry I didn't get the memo. | |||
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"Also come to the conclusion that the OP is anti police!! Because they're not very good. Locally. " They took time which is at least a positive. The real problem is lack of provision for mental health care sadly so the police are used as a stop gap | |||
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"Deflection just like the links above. Bet if you did it. You took your time about it and 2 and a half hours is not that long. Everyone should go home after a shift so I see it as not a waste of resources and money but a result for all concerned. Fair play to them. Can't comment on custody as have no experience but I'm sure just as many die or more die in mental health facilities all round the country. You weren't there Awesome. I'm sorry, but your opinion counts for nothing here. Ahhhh don't be like that sulky. Still waiting for your solution? I direct the Honerable Lady to my previous statement on the matter "And anyway, if someone free to get annoyed about the cost of plastic bags, surely you'll permit me the space to air my concerns here? If you don;t like it, don't read and don;t post. Simple." Troll off. " Offering a differing opinion is not trolling. Genuinely concerned about the state of mental health provision. But it's all very well to scoff about loons and people not doing the job properly. | |||
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"Offering a differing opinion is not trolling. Genuinely concerned about the state of mental health provision. But it's all very well to scoff about loons and people not doing the job properly. " Because this has nothing to do with meeting the substance of what I'm saying and everything about trying to get a rise from me personally. I'm not playing. Luv | |||
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"BUT My point is that the cops are fecking useless round here." Or maybe they took their time arresting him to try to make it as stressless as they could for a gentleman who was very unstable to begin with. A softer approach in a situation where the outcome is unknown is possibly the best way to go. Any training and success in dealing with a situation is only good on the day it works. Next time in the same situation the solution may not work again. Let's just hope this gent is now getting the help he needs | |||
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"Offering a differing opinion is not trolling. Genuinely concerned about the state of mental health provision. But it's all very well to scoff about loons and people not doing the job properly. Because this has nothing to do with meeting the substance of what I'm saying and everything about trying to get a rise from me personally. I'm not playing. Luv" Nothing personal you have chosen to take it that way. I share your concerns. | |||
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"Is it not better to talk to someone for that period of time rather than steam in and flatten him? Did you know the whole picture. One chap used to stand around with a knife held to his neck with the gas on used to take the Po Po ages to get him away from the address. Police are always the last port of call so it's no surprise the mental health training is poor. The impoverished mental health services should be the ones who deal with cases like that. Easy to pick fault though I suppose. No - certainly - I do not know the full picture. I was however a caseworker in London dealing with drugs, alcohol & mental health. I know something about this shit, have assisted police on Sectionings, and have spent extended periods of time working with MH sufferers. I know how this shit SHOULD work Obviously only got your word on that. However in utopia it should work like you think. The poor Police have to be experts in everything. Come weekend when the mental health experts have a day off the Police don't and have to pick up the pieces. Mental health provision is woefully short. It's very sad. Again, total agreement - the cops shouldn't dealing with this. Mental health provision has gone down the pan - hey everybody! remember you voted Conservative - and only the most 'serious' cases are taken on. Leaving a bigger bill for the tax payer in the long run where once problems could be dealt with before they became worse, now they are left to fester until the explode. BUT - it DOESN'T take seven cops 2& half hrs to arrest a man and decided whether to charge or section him. That's rubbish Cool so how would you deal with a hypothetical situation with a potentially violent person in a house surrounded by gas and sharp things? I would choose softly softly and no one gets hurts every time. (With the resources available should it go wrong) That Police office who got stabbed in the neck and died executing a mental health warrant in London. I think she would have preferred the soft option. " This. If they had reason to believe he had a weapon they need more people there and it would take much longer to assess the situation and deal with it. | |||
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" If you don;t like it, don't read and don;t post. Simple." Troll off. Offering a differing opinion is not trolling. Genuinely concerned about the state of mental health provision. But it's all very well to scoff about loons and people not doing the job properly. " It is for some people. Didn't you know all people are equal on here but some are more equal than others. | |||
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"...when I witnessed the cops arresting a guy with mental health who lives a couple of doors down. Three cop cars, a riot van and a paramedic car for ONE loon. I mean the guy was clearly in crisis - he was ranting and raving and the air turned blue and he was certainly giving the local curtain-twitchers sommat to talk about... But the bit that got me is that it took the police 2&half HOURS to arrest this guy and cart him off. It was almost like they didn't know what to do. " And what? Did the police know instantly if he was armed and dangerous or did it take a while? Could they ascertain whether there were other people in the property? A few years back I had a mental breakdown. I totalled my flat, i mean wrecked it. Doors, windows, kitchen. I chucked the microwave and tv out the window, kicked the oven down the stairs, smashed everything with my hands. There was claret everywhere. When the police turned up they were outside shouting up at the window. There was an armed response unit. The oven was blocking the door so they were talking about getting the fire brigade. They kept asking me if i was hurt or if any one else was, and what my intentions were. I just kept telling them to fuck off and leave me alone. They were standing around scratching their heads. They're called plod for a reason.They had no control whatsoever so your OP doesn't surprise me at all. What does is your reaction and subsequent comments given your previous job. | |||
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" I was however a caseworker in London dealing with drugs, alcohol & mental health. I know something about this shit, have assisted police on Sectionings, and have spent extended periods of time working with MH sufferers. I know how this shit SHOULD work" Does that involve describing them as Loons?? | |||
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"I've thought about becoming a cop, but a 40% pay cut? Fuck that." So it could be that it keeps out the ones just after a good salary | |||
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"I've thought about becoming a cop, but a 40% pay cut? Fuck that. So it could be that it keeps out the ones just after a good salary " Or afford to live in a one bedroom in London. | |||
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"I've thought about becoming a cop, but a 40% pay cut? Fuck that. So it could be that it keeps out the ones just after a good salary Or afford to live in a one bedroom in London." True, though there's more to the UK than London | |||
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"I've thought about becoming a cop, but a 40% pay cut? Fuck that. So it could be that it keeps out the ones just after a good salary Or afford to live in a one bedroom in London. True, though there's more to the UK than London " Lies, Minx, lies! | |||
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