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I was REALLY shocked, I tell you!

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By *iamondjoe OP   Man
over a year ago

Glastonbury

...when I witnessed the cops arresting a guy with mental health who lives a couple of doors down.

Three cop cars, a riot van and a paramedic car for ONE loon.

I mean the guy was clearly in crisis - he was ranting and raving and the air turned blue and he was certainly giving the local curtain-twitchers sommat to talk about...

But the bit that got me is that it took the police 2&half HOURS to arrest this guy and cart him off.

It was almost like they didn't know what to do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did they know he was in poor mental health?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

they don't, their training in dealing with people with mental health issue's is piss poor..

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Is this recent or a re-posting of the incident from a while back?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's very sad and very concerning.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"they don't, their training in dealing with people with mental health issue's is piss poor.."

Except where DJ is they have been receiving training on race and mental health after some of the really shocking cases of the last few years.

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By *iamondjoe OP   Man
over a year ago

Glastonbury

He was assessed previously but turned away as not being in great enough need.

It is common knowledge that the guy has mental health problems.

Was chatting to his flat mate in summer asking him to keep a lid on it as the guy who was arrested was drawing a lot of attention from the blue-rinse brigade.

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By *iamondjoe OP   Man
over a year ago

Glastonbury

BUT

My point is that the cops are fecking useless round here.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago


"...when I witnessed the cops arresting a guy with mental health who lives a couple of doors down.

Three cop cars, a riot van and a paramedic car for ONE loon.

I mean the guy was clearly in crisis - he was ranting and raving and the air turned blue and he was certainly giving the local curtain-twitchers sommat to talk about...

But the bit that got me is that it took the police 2&half HOURS to arrest this guy and cart him off.

It was almost like they didn't know what to do.

"

avon and somerset constabulary not knowing what their doing??!!!?

i find it hard to believe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are there any cops on here? It would be interesting to hear how mental health issues are perceived from within the police service.

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By *he tactile technicianMan
over a year ago

the good lands, the bad lands, the any where you may want me lands

I trust the Police have assigned an Appropriate Adult before processing the individual further

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"they don't, their training in dealing with people with mental health issue's is piss poor..

Except where DJ is they have been receiving training on race and mental health after some of the really shocking cases of the last few years.

"

long overdue, attended several incidents and the attempted actions of the met were in a lot of cases only likely to escalate with the potential for harm to the individual and other agencies..

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By *iamondjoe OP   Man
over a year ago

Glastonbury

This comes 5 years in to the inquest of the death of another man with mental health issues who was 'found dead' in the police cell the following day...

I'm trying to find the link...

Basically, of the 3 coppers charged, 2 have since died and the 3rd has been on gardening leave for 5 yrs.

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By *iamondjoe OP   Man
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"I trust the Police have assigned an Appropriate Adult before processing the individual further "

This is what my mum does.

I have no idea where the arrested guy went, what he was charged with or whether detained under the Mental Health Act. No idea.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it not better to talk to someone for that period of time rather than steam in and flatten him?

Did you know the whole picture. One chap used to stand around with a knife held to his neck with the gas on used to take the Po Po ages to get him away from the address.

Police are always the last port of call so it's no surprise the mental health training is poor. The impoverished mental health services should be the ones who deal with cases like that.

Easy to pick fault though I suppose.

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By *iamondjoe OP   Man
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Although, just chatting to the woman next door, her niece attempted to film in on a phone and was told she'd have her phone confiscated by the cops as she 'was breaking the law'.

Which is utter balls - there is NO LAW in the UK that prohibits you from filming or photographing in a public place

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By *iamondjoe OP   Man
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Is it not better to talk to someone for that period of time rather than steam in and flatten him?

Did you know the whole picture. One chap used to stand around with a knife held to his neck with the gas on used to take the Po Po ages to get him away from the address.

Police are always the last port of call so it's no surprise the mental health training is poor. The impoverished mental health services should be the ones who deal with cases like that.

Easy to pick fault though I suppose. "

No - certainly - I do not know the full picture.

I was however a caseworker in London dealing with drugs, alcohol & mental health. I know something about this shit, have assisted police on Sectionings, and have spent extended periods of time working with MH sufferers.

I know how this shit SHOULD work

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"Are there any cops on here? It would be interesting to hear how mental health issues are perceived from within the police service."
I know how they are perceived under one police force and to be honest its pretty shit I have a friend whose quite a high rank and he says he learnt more from what he had to deal with from the days when he was custody sergeant then from what he's ever been trained

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is it not better to talk to someone for that period of time rather than steam in and flatten him?

Did you know the whole picture. One chap used to stand around with a knife held to his neck with the gas on used to take the Po Po ages to get him away from the address.

Police are always the last port of call so it's no surprise the mental health training is poor. The impoverished mental health services should be the ones who deal with cases like that.

Easy to pick fault though I suppose.

No - certainly - I do not know the full picture.

I was however a caseworker in London dealing with drugs, alcohol & mental health. I know something about this shit, have assisted police on Sectionings, and have spent extended periods of time working with MH sufferers.

I know how this shit SHOULD work"

Obviously only got your word on that.

However in utopia it should work like you think. The poor Police have to be experts in everything. Come weekend when the mental health experts have a day off the Police don't and have to pick up the pieces.

Mental health provision is woefully short. It's very sad.

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By *iamondjoe OP   Man
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Is it not better to talk to someone for that period of time rather than steam in and flatten him?

Did you know the whole picture. One chap used to stand around with a knife held to his neck with the gas on used to take the Po Po ages to get him away from the address.

Police are always the last port of call so it's no surprise the mental health training is poor. The impoverished mental health services should be the ones who deal with cases like that.

Easy to pick fault though I suppose.

No - certainly - I do not know the full picture.

I was however a caseworker in London dealing with drugs, alcohol & mental health. I know something about this shit, have assisted police on Sectionings, and have spent extended periods of time working with MH sufferers.

I know how this shit SHOULD work

Obviously only got your word on that.

However in utopia it should work like you think. The poor Police have to be experts in everything. Come weekend when the mental health experts have a day off the Police don't and have to pick up the pieces.

Mental health provision is woefully short. It's very sad. "

Again, total agreement - the cops shouldn't dealing with this.

Mental health provision has gone down the pan - hey everybody! remember you voted Conservative - and only the most 'serious' cases are taken on.

Leaving a bigger bill for the tax payer in the long run where once problems could be dealt with before they became worse, now they are left to fester until the explode.

BUT - it DOESN'T take seven cops 2& half hrs to arrest a man and decided whether to charge or section him.

That's rubbish

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By *iamondjoe OP   Man
over a year ago

Glastonbury

As I said, I was genuinely shocked. And that takes quite a lot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is it not better to talk to someone for that period of time rather than steam in and flatten him?

Did you know the whole picture. One chap used to stand around with a knife held to his neck with the gas on used to take the Po Po ages to get him away from the address.

Police are always the last port of call so it's no surprise the mental health training is poor. The impoverished mental health services should be the ones who deal with cases like that.

Easy to pick fault though I suppose.

No - certainly - I do not know the full picture.

I was however a caseworker in London dealing with drugs, alcohol & mental health. I know something about this shit, have assisted police on Sectionings, and have spent extended periods of time working with MH sufferers.

I know how this shit SHOULD work"

When you were a caseworker did you address your clients as "loons" too?

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Here's a scenario.

An incident kicks off with a mental health patient, police are called, please array the person and take them to the station, they then try and get them the appropriate care, whether that's a specialised mental health worker coming to see them or transferring them to a mental health unit, only when they phone the unit there is no beds available, no specialist worker available. What do they do, the only thing they can do is keep them in the cell overnight until they are at some stage lucky enough to get them treated properly. It's not the polices fault its the lack of suitablemsesorces available to them

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By *iamondjoe OP   Man
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Is it not better to talk to someone for that period of time rather than steam in and flatten him?

Did you know the whole picture. One chap used to stand around with a knife held to his neck with the gas on used to take the Po Po ages to get him away from the address.

Police are always the last port of call so it's no surprise the mental health training is poor. The impoverished mental health services should be the ones who deal with cases like that.

Easy to pick fault though I suppose.

No - certainly - I do not know the full picture.

I was however a caseworker in London dealing with drugs, alcohol & mental health. I know something about this shit, have assisted police on Sectionings, and have spent extended periods of time working with MH sufferers.

I know how this shit SHOULD work

When you were a caseworker did you address your clients as "loons" too?

"

Sometimes - depends on who's listening and what the context is.

To an extent mental health labels are misleading, imo

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By *iamondjoe OP   Man
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Here's a scenario.

An incident kicks off with a mental health patient, police are called, please array the person and take them to the station, they then try and get them the appropriate care, whether that's a specialised mental health worker coming to see them or transferring them to a mental health unit, only when they phone the unit there is no beds available, no specialist worker available. What do they do, the only thing they can do is keep them in the cell overnight until they are at some stage lucky enough to get them treated properly. It's not the polices fault its the lack of suitablemsesorces available to them"

No completely

But there was a local case of a MH guy who 'died' overnight in a police cell during just these circumstances.

Ooops!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is it not better to talk to someone for that period of time rather than steam in and flatten him?

Did you know the whole picture. One chap used to stand around with a knife held to his neck with the gas on used to take the Po Po ages to get him away from the address.

Police are always the last port of call so it's no surprise the mental health training is poor. The impoverished mental health services should be the ones who deal with cases like that.

Easy to pick fault though I suppose.

No - certainly - I do not know the full picture.

I was however a caseworker in London dealing with drugs, alcohol & mental health. I know something about this shit, have assisted police on Sectionings, and have spent extended periods of time working with MH sufferers.

I know how this shit SHOULD work

Obviously only got your word on that.

However in utopia it should work like you think. The poor Police have to be experts in everything. Come weekend when the mental health experts have a day off the Police don't and have to pick up the pieces.

Mental health provision is woefully short. It's very sad.

Again, total agreement - the cops shouldn't dealing with this.

Mental health provision has gone down the pan - hey everybody! remember you voted Conservative - and only the most 'serious' cases are taken on.

Leaving a bigger bill for the tax payer in the long run where once problems could be dealt with before they became worse, now they are left to fester until the explode.

BUT - it DOESN'T take seven cops 2& half hrs to arrest a man and decided whether to charge or section him.

That's rubbish"

Cool so how would you deal with a hypothetical situation with a potentially violent person in a house surrounded by gas and sharp things?

I would choose softly softly and no one gets hurts every time. (With the resources available should it go wrong)

That Police office who got stabbed in the neck and died executing a mental health warrant in London. I think she would have preferred the soft option.

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By *iamondjoe OP   Man
over a year ago

Glastonbury

How about this heart-warming local news story that made it to the national press and is the subject of a TV documentary...

.

‘The police didn’t see Deen as a victim despite blood pouring out of his head’

Deen Taiwo’s ordeal at the hands of racists is being made into a documentary in an innovative attempt to improve police responses to hate crimes

.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/may/24/police-didnt-see-deen-as-victim-bristol-hate-crime?

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"Here's a scenario.

An incident kicks off with a mental health patient, police are called, please array the person and take them to the station, they then try and get them the appropriate care, whether that's a specialised mental health worker coming to see them or transferring them to a mental health unit, only when they phone the unit there is no beds available, no specialist worker available. What do they do, the only thing they can do is keep them in the cell overnight until they are at some stage lucky enough to get them treated properly. It's not the polices fault its the lack of suitablemsesorces available to them

No completely

But there was a local case of a MH guy who 'died' overnight in a police cell during just these circumstances.

Ooops!"

how did he die?

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By *iamondjoe OP   Man
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Cool so how would you deal with a hypothetical situation with a potentially violent person in a house surrounded by gas and sharp things?

I would choose softly softly and no one gets hurts every time. (With the resources available should it go wrong)

That Police office who got stabbed in the neck and died executing a mental health warrant in London. I think she would have preferred the soft option. "

I have dealt with people in crisis

Alcoholic schizophrenics

Psychotics

Paranoid schizophrenics

People in crack binges or smaked out of their skulls

Done it

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By *over-manMan
over a year ago

motherwell

joe why did you use the word loon ?

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By *iamondjoe OP   Man
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Cool so how would you deal with a hypothetical situation with a potentially violent person in a house surrounded by gas and sharp things?

I would choose softly softly and no one gets hurts every time. (With the resources available should it go wrong)

That Police office who got stabbed in the neck and died executing a mental health warrant in London. I think she would have preferred the soft option.

I have dealt with people in crisis

Alcoholic schizophrenics

Psychotics

Paranoid schizophrenics

People in crack binges or smaked out of their skulls

Done it

"

It's never easy - but it shouldn't happen like this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Cool so how would you deal with a hypothetical situation with a potentially violent person in a house surrounded by gas and sharp things?

I would choose softly softly and no one gets hurts every time. (With the resources available should it go wrong)

That Police office who got stabbed in the neck and died executing a mental health warrant in London. I think she would have preferred the soft option.

I have dealt with people in crisis

Alcoholic schizophrenics

Psychotics

Paranoid schizophrenics

People in crack binges or smaked out of their skulls

Done it

"

Deflection just like the links above.

Bet if you did it. You took your time about it and 2 and a half hours is not that long.

Everyone should go home after a shift so I see it as not a waste of resources and money but a result for all concerned.

Fair play to them.

Can't comment on custody as have no experience but I'm sure just as many die or more die in mental health facilities all round the country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As an ex copper I found myself in this situation several times over my career. The OP states that the 'loon' as he referred to him was ranting and the air was blue. I was always mindful that the subject was mentally ill and consequently I tried everything possible to avoid the use of violence. It wasn't unusual for incidents of this nature to take a while to resolve. Were the officers there to assist the social worker or health worker to section the male? Many questions are unanswered and its dangerous and wrong to jump to conclusions with little knowledge of the facts.

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By *iamondjoe OP   Man
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Deflection just like the links above.

Bet if you did it. You took your time about it and 2 and a half hours is not that long.

Everyone should go home after a shift so I see it as not a waste of resources and money but a result for all concerned.

Fair play to them.

Can't comment on custody as have no experience but I'm sure just as many die or more die in mental health facilities all round the country.

"

You weren't there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I used to be a cop - it's a shitty job, usually done by people whos good intentions are soon undermined by limited resources and the reality of life that usually dictates that whatever you're dealing with at that second, something shittier will be along some time soon to put it into a perspective that most people (thankfully) will never really understand. I'm not excusing what may have happened with regards the OP, but there's often a bigger picture than the PC just acting like a cock.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Deflection just like the links above.

Bet if you did it. You took your time about it and 2 and a half hours is not that long.

Everyone should go home after a shift so I see it as not a waste of resources and money but a result for all concerned.

Fair play to them.

Can't comment on custody as have no experience but I'm sure just as many die or more die in mental health facilities all round the country.

You weren't there"

Awesome.

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By *iamondjoe OP   Man
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Here's a scenario.

An incident kicks off with a mental health patient, police are called, please array the person and take them to the station, they then try and get them the appropriate care, whether that's a specialised mental health worker coming to see them or transferring them to a mental health unit, only when they phone the unit there is no beds available, no specialist worker available. What do they do, the only thing they can do is keep them in the cell overnight until they are at some stage lucky enough to get them treated properly. It's not the polices fault its the lack of suitablemsesorces available to them

No completely

But there was a local case of a MH guy who 'died' overnight in a police cell during just these circumstances.

Ooops!how did he die?"

He was restrained before being left naked in a police cell.

James Herbert death: IPCC probe over inquest 'lies'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-29519401

IPPC files here

https://www.ipcc.gov.uk/investigations/james-herbert-avon-and-somerset-police

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By *iamondjoe OP   Man
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Deflection just like the links above.

Bet if you did it. You took your time about it and 2 and a half hours is not that long.

Everyone should go home after a shift so I see it as not a waste of resources and money but a result for all concerned.

Fair play to them.

Can't comment on custody as have no experience but I'm sure just as many die or more die in mental health facilities all round the country.

You weren't there

Awesome. "

I'm sorry, but your opinion counts for nothing here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also come to the conclusion that the OP is anti police!!

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By *iamondjoe OP   Man
over a year ago

Glastonbury

I'm just saying it's ANOTHER incident that I know of locally where the polce have fallen far short of the minimum standards expected.

I've worked with police and with mental health services surrounding such issues and I know it can be done better.

Our local police suck at it.

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By *iamondjoe OP   Man
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Also come to the conclusion that the OP is anti police!!"

Because they're not very good.

Locally.

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By *iamondjoe OP   Man
over a year ago

Glastonbury

And anyway, if someone free to get annoyed about the cost of plastic bags, surely you'll permit me the space to air my concerns here?

If you don;t like it, don't read and don;t post.

Simple.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London


"Although, just chatting to the woman next door, her niece attempted to film in on a phone and was told she'd have her phone confiscated by the cops as she 'was breaking the law'.

Which is utter balls - there is NO LAW in the UK that prohibits you from filming or photographing in a public place"

Also I don't think it's an offence to film a public citizen (police, fire, ambulance) in the course of their duty. As well as "just watching" not being an offence at all- you only become part of a crime (joint venture) if you actively "aid, abet, council or procure"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Deflection just like the links above.

Bet if you did it. You took your time about it and 2 and a half hours is not that long.

Everyone should go home after a shift so I see it as not a waste of resources and money but a result for all concerned.

Fair play to them.

Can't comment on custody as have no experience but I'm sure just as many die or more die in mental health facilities all round the country.

You weren't there

Awesome.

I'm sorry, but your opinion counts for nothing here.

"

Ahhhh don't be like that sulky. Still waiting for your solution?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Although, just chatting to the woman next door, her niece attempted to film in on a phone and was told she'd have her phone confiscated by the cops as she 'was breaking the law'.

Which is utter balls - there is NO LAW in the UK that prohibits you from filming or photographing in a public place

No, it isn't an offence!

Also I don't think it's an offence to film a public citizen (police, fire, ambulance) in the course of their duty. As well as "just watching" not being an offence at all- you only become part of a crime (joint venture) if you actively "aid, abet, council or procure""

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By *iamondjoe OP   Man
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Deflection just like the links above.

Bet if you did it. You took your time about it and 2 and a half hours is not that long.

Everyone should go home after a shift so I see it as not a waste of resources and money but a result for all concerned.

Fair play to them.

Can't comment on custody as have no experience but I'm sure just as many die or more die in mental health facilities all round the country.

You weren't there

Awesome.

I'm sorry, but your opinion counts for nothing here.

Ahhhh don't be like that sulky. Still waiting for your solution? "

I direct the Honerable Lady to my previous statement on the matter

"And anyway, if someone free to get annoyed about the cost of plastic bags, surely you'll permit me the space to air my concerns here?

If you don;t like it, don't read and don;t post.

Simple."

Troll off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And anyway, if someone free to get annoyed about the cost of plastic bags, surely you'll permit me the space to air my concerns here?

If you don;t like it, don't read and don;t post.

Simple. "

Is debate and alternative opinion not allowed on your threads?

Sorry I didn't get the memo.

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford


"Also come to the conclusion that the OP is anti police!!

Because they're not very good.

Locally. "

They took time which is at least a positive. The real problem is lack of provision for mental health care sadly so the police are used as a stop gap

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Deflection just like the links above.

Bet if you did it. You took your time about it and 2 and a half hours is not that long.

Everyone should go home after a shift so I see it as not a waste of resources and money but a result for all concerned.

Fair play to them.

Can't comment on custody as have no experience but I'm sure just as many die or more die in mental health facilities all round the country.

You weren't there

Awesome.

I'm sorry, but your opinion counts for nothing here.

Ahhhh don't be like that sulky. Still waiting for your solution?

I direct the Honerable Lady to my previous statement on the matter

"And anyway, if someone free to get annoyed about the cost of plastic bags, surely you'll permit me the space to air my concerns here?

If you don;t like it, don't read and don;t post.

Simple."

Troll off. "

Offering a differing opinion is not trolling. Genuinely concerned about the state of mental health provision. But it's all very well to scoff about loons and people not doing the job properly.

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By *iamondjoe OP   Man
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Offering a differing opinion is not trolling. Genuinely concerned about the state of mental health provision. But it's all very well to scoff about loons and people not doing the job properly. "

Because this has nothing to do with meeting the substance of what I'm saying and everything about trying to get a rise from me personally.

I'm not playing.

Luv

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"BUT

My point is that the cops are fecking useless round here."

Or maybe they took their time arresting him to try to make it as stressless as they could for a gentleman who was very unstable to begin with. A softer approach in a situation where the outcome is unknown is possibly the best way to go.

Any training and success in dealing with a situation is only good on the day it works. Next time in the same situation the solution may not work again.

Let's just hope this gent is now getting the help he needs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Offering a differing opinion is not trolling. Genuinely concerned about the state of mental health provision. But it's all very well to scoff about loons and people not doing the job properly.

Because this has nothing to do with meeting the substance of what I'm saying and everything about trying to get a rise from me personally.

I'm not playing.

Luv"

Nothing personal you have chosen to take it that way. I share your concerns.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is it not better to talk to someone for that period of time rather than steam in and flatten him?

Did you know the whole picture. One chap used to stand around with a knife held to his neck with the gas on used to take the Po Po ages to get him away from the address.

Police are always the last port of call so it's no surprise the mental health training is poor. The impoverished mental health services should be the ones who deal with cases like that.

Easy to pick fault though I suppose.

No - certainly - I do not know the full picture.

I was however a caseworker in London dealing with drugs, alcohol & mental health. I know something about this shit, have assisted police on Sectionings, and have spent extended periods of time working with MH sufferers.

I know how this shit SHOULD work

Obviously only got your word on that.

However in utopia it should work like you think. The poor Police have to be experts in everything. Come weekend when the mental health experts have a day off the Police don't and have to pick up the pieces.

Mental health provision is woefully short. It's very sad.

Again, total agreement - the cops shouldn't dealing with this.

Mental health provision has gone down the pan - hey everybody! remember you voted Conservative - and only the most 'serious' cases are taken on.

Leaving a bigger bill for the tax payer in the long run where once problems could be dealt with before they became worse, now they are left to fester until the explode.

BUT - it DOESN'T take seven cops 2& half hrs to arrest a man and decided whether to charge or section him.

That's rubbish

Cool so how would you deal with a hypothetical situation with a potentially violent person in a house surrounded by gas and sharp things?

I would choose softly softly and no one gets hurts every time. (With the resources available should it go wrong)

That Police office who got stabbed in the neck and died executing a mental health warrant in London. I think she would have preferred the soft option. "

This. If they had reason to believe he had a weapon they need more people there and it would take much longer to assess the situation and deal with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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If you don;t like it, don't read and don;t post.

Simple."

Troll off.

Offering a differing opinion is not trolling. Genuinely concerned about the state of mental health provision. But it's all very well to scoff about loons and people not doing the job properly. "

It is for some people. Didn't you know all people are equal on here but some are more equal than others.

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By *iamondjoe OP   Man
over a year ago

Glastonbury

I'm off to do dinner, I shall return to review your comments later

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By *iamondjoe OP   Man
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Just take the time to read my original post

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"...when I witnessed the cops arresting a guy with mental health who lives a couple of doors down.

Three cop cars, a riot van and a paramedic car for ONE loon.

I mean the guy was clearly in crisis - he was ranting and raving and the air turned blue and he was certainly giving the local curtain-twitchers sommat to talk about...

But the bit that got me is that it took the police 2&half HOURS to arrest this guy and cart him off.

It was almost like they didn't know what to do.

"

And what?

Did the police know instantly if he was armed and dangerous or did it take a while?

Could they ascertain whether there were other people in the property?

A few years back I had a mental breakdown. I totalled my flat, i mean wrecked it. Doors, windows, kitchen. I chucked the microwave and tv out the window, kicked the oven down the stairs, smashed everything with my hands. There was claret everywhere. When the police turned up they were outside shouting up at the window. There was an armed response unit. The oven was blocking the door so they were talking about getting the fire brigade. They kept asking me if i was hurt or if any one else was, and what my intentions were. I just kept telling them to fuck off and leave me alone. They were standing around scratching their heads. They're called plod for a reason.They had no control whatsoever so your OP doesn't surprise me at all. What does is your reaction and subsequent comments given your previous job.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"And anyway, if someone free to get annoyed about the cost of plastic bags, surely you'll permit me the space to air my concerns here? "

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By *ildt123Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield

Lots of option here and not much detail so it's hard to say. But just because the whole thing took over two hours doesn't make it wrong. I have been involved in incidents of a similar sounding nature that have taken all day.

Generally police will only be involved if the Approved Mental Health Practitioner has requested it the assessment and subsequent paperwork can take a long time, the police will support but not intervene unless a crime is about to be committed. If your going to section someone that has huge consequences for them and isn't done lightly, there are checks and legal criteria that have to be met and verified.

If it's a public place most trusts have a 136 suite the police can take them to, that's quick to get them there generally and the assessment takes place there.

I agree the police get insufficient training, we used to do some and they loved it but that got cut, oh and that wasn't under the Tories either, cuts in mental health services started before them

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By *ildt123Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield

Lots of opinion**

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By *nsert user name hereMan
over a year ago

Manchester


"

I was however a caseworker in London dealing with drugs, alcohol & mental health. I know something about this shit, have assisted police on Sectionings, and have spent extended periods of time working with MH sufferers.

I know how this shit SHOULD work"

Does that involve describing them as Loons??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have been involved in uniform attending a call with Police to this type of incident.

Disappointing to read some comments but I don't live in England so not knock yourselves out. Edinburgh cops are fantastic and dedicated to taking as long is needed to bring a person into safety regardless of time or numbers needed. Their training (like all aspects) could be more but that is funding rather than a will.

In regards to an idiot trying to take pics or filming someone who might react in many different ways is stupid. It also puts the attending agencies in a possibly dangerous situation.

If you were stressed or upset and you seen you were being filmed how would you feel?

Good to have opinions but unless you have been in uniform and/or know full story then keep it neutral

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By *hiterabbit69Man
over a year ago

Romford

Maybe if they actually payed a decent salary they'd get people who actually had a clue.

These are the people we rely on in our most vulnerable moments, spend some cash on them and train them right. I've thought about becoming a cop, but a 40% pay cut? Fuck that.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"I've thought about becoming a cop, but a 40% pay cut? Fuck that."

So it could be that it keeps out the ones just after a good salary

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By *hiterabbit69Man
over a year ago

Romford


"I've thought about becoming a cop, but a 40% pay cut? Fuck that.

So it could be that it keeps out the ones just after a good salary "

Or afford to live in a one bedroom in London.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"I've thought about becoming a cop, but a 40% pay cut? Fuck that.

So it could be that it keeps out the ones just after a good salary

Or afford to live in a one bedroom in London."

True, though there's more to the UK than London

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By *hiterabbit69Man
over a year ago

Romford


"I've thought about becoming a cop, but a 40% pay cut? Fuck that.

So it could be that it keeps out the ones just after a good salary

Or afford to live in a one bedroom in London.

True, though there's more to the UK than London "

Lies, Minx, lies!

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